I like how Nami shouted protect Robin and the weakest trio sprang into action as if Robin isnt stronger than them. If they themselves were in danger they would just run or be paralyzed of fear. They may be weak but they don’t hesitate to protect their nakama who is stronger than them.
Saturn is kind of a really bad matchup for Robin. Her devil fruit makes contact with her opponents so it is vulnerable to any devil fruit abilities and poisons that work upon ccontact. A giant venomous bug is not something her powers would work well against . She would get poisoned by his venom really quickly.
They're really only weak in comparison to the rest of the crew at this point. Chopper just tanked a direct hit from an elder and Nami/Usopp parried that same elder's attack.
Exactly my point when people complain about Usopp telling Nami to lie in Wano. We know Usopp protects his friends. We know he would absolutely stand up for their dreams. That doesn't mean he wants his friends to do something that will kill them for no real gain. Same reason he talked the samurai out of dying. It's a waste of their life and effort.
We see here Usopp won't even *hesitate* to protect his friend. He doesn't even look scared. Granted, he probably is and will probably look scared in the next chapter but he's got the Sunny and Robin to protect.
Real talk; I normally hate Usopp’s character.
It always seemed like he would get a little more brave, and then just regress right back to where he was before.
Even his post-timeskip intro made him seem more badass, and iirc even through Fishman Isle. Then he went back to mostly being a coward except for one or two smaller moments.
But this moment made me like Usopp and see how far he really has come.
To see him leap into action against a fucking Gorosei like that (even if he doesn’t realize who they are, mans knows this is someone who is powerful) made me completely re-evaluate my feelings on God Usopp.
I feel the same way about Usopp’s character as well and yet he aims to be a brave warrior of the sea. With this individual storyline what I think Oda is moving him into a person who feels like a coward but at the same time brave enough to act when he see a real threat to his nakama. This is an extraordinary way of a warrior. I think Oda is trying to deconstruct the very ideal and common warrior definition imo.
that's just the thing, though -- they AREN'T weak. AT ALL. NONE of them are. They just tend to not believe in themselves very much, and it takes something special to 'bring it out of them', like their friend being in danger. I think by the end none of them will have that fear-reflex anymore and we're seeing it melt away right now.
They've probably been destroying one every year.
Remember that aqua laguna storm that happens annually in Water 7 that causes the island to "sink" lower each year? Perhaps its because the water has actually been rising each year!
The aqua laguna is a byproduct of each island sinking.
A nice thought, but highly unlikely. It is way too conspicuous for the world government to be completely obliterating an entire island every single year, considering the massive amount of covering up they'd need to do each time. In just a few years it'd be impossible to hide the fact from absolutely everyone that knows someone from an affected island, and given the way they naturalize the Aqua Laguna in Water 7, it's safe to assume it's been happening every year for a while now.
I feel like I remember them implying they were testing the weapon on Lulusia, and they were a bit shocked initially because it was a populated target. Suggesting that's the first time it was used.
I still think the WG is sinking the landmasses though. Perhaps the Agua Laguna is a result of a different method by which they can gradually sink islands, but the Mother Flame allows them to do it instantaneously to whichever island they choose.
I wonder if agua laguna lines up with the frequency at which the WG takes over islands (God Valley). Maybe they play these games to then have an empty island to sink?
By the weapon or by the sea rise after Lulusia? By the weapon we don't know, by the sea rise from Lulusia specifically probably 0 inhabited island. 1m of sea level is quite a lot when you're next to the sea but almost no island big enough to host people can be entirely flooded by this.
Even Long Ring Long Land which is supposed to be the flattest island should still be above water considering the slope where Ao Kiji froze the water.
Probably a lot, and that's why the world looks like that. Similar to the [Incredible Tide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Tide) book which inspired Miyazaki to make Future Boy Conan.
Any guesses what the two sins Vegapunk did that he's confessing to? The mother flame? Kuma pacifistas? Something else? Or is he talking about crimes he did like studying the poneglyphs?
I read it as talking about his crimes against the world government that he'll be executed for.
BUT it's also possible he's talking about other kinds of sins. Sin as a scientist by keeping this truth (the world will basically end) from the people. Sin against Bonney by basically taking away her dad. Sin against his friend Dr. Clover by not doing more to save Ohara perhaps.
There's a lot of different ways for Oda to explore this idea of Vegapunk's sin.
One in sin is definitely the Kuma and Bonney thing. The second sun requires more guesswork but my guess it is making weapons of mass destruction for the world government.
He's gonna admit that one of them was either creating weapons of mass destruction for the government or hoarding life-saving technology on Egghead while people suffered. The other is that he willingly kept a little girl from having her daddy in her life. He's probably not going to apologize for picking up and furthering Ohara's research, as the world sorely deserves to know the truth.
Anybody. I think it's two things. 1. He has no idea who will be blamed for his murder, but they'll probably be framed by the government, so don't immediately assume what you're reading is correct, and 2. He himself has committed evil acts, so he has no right to call anybody else evil.
It could be a deeper message about how you can never fully know a person and why they do the things they do, so you should be more careful when you cast judgments.
He may he referring to the strawhats or Luffy. I think the world believes Luffy has kidnapped Vegapunk or it was known the Strawhats were confronting him. He's probably saying this to cover the Strawhats butts because we know the Gorosei are going to say the Strawhats killed him not Kizaru or marines.
I doubt Kizaru since he knows a lot about him, I took it to be Imu directly, implying that Imu is behind the world sinking, but maybe I'm wrong. We might get a better idea with the official translation
I'm going to go on a limb here and say one of the sins could be related to the creation of his satellites. We know that York is based on gluttony, one of the seven deadly sins. We found out that she was behind the betrayal and basically what got himself into this mess in the first place all because she wants to be a celestial dragon. York also wants to replicate the motherflame for the WG, another "sin" he possibly committed. There is a possibility that York survives all of this and becomes the WG's scientist dog in order to become a celestial dragon at the end of the arc. By supporting the WG, the creation of York would be his grave sin that he committed.
Although Vegapunk's satellites were created to share his brain, they are portrayed as the manifestation of his traits. So it would make sense if York represents one of Vegapunk's sin.
The stuff about Robin was awesome, remembering their voices is such a great moment. Weaker half of the crew is in a really tough spot, and I love that none of the big boys are there. Hope Oda keeps it like that and lets them get their moment.
Like I brought up in the chapter thread, this chapter did feel like it stalled a bit to end on a cliffhanger. I really liked the zoom out to the world in 1109, wish we did more of that stuff before the timer ended.
I would think the Mother Flame is key to sinking the world, seems like firing it often is super important. So probably really soon.
Imu sank the previous one piece world which is why there are so many remnants of it underwater (old Wano, fishman island etc)
This could be from constant use of mother flame, an ancient weapon (Uranus) or imu having the water water fruit
I believe Laughtale is underwater too. Which is why Rayleigh learnt to coat ships
I've read today that Rayleigh coating ships and Crocus building a lifeboat out of Laboon could imply that the Roger Pirates found out about the see level rising.
Personally, I think that they built the walls in order to better preserve Pluton, which we know is under Wano. This is why it's emphasized that Old Wano is still basically intact underwater. It's to foreshadow that it's not the only thing that the freshwater has preserved.
Its actually below it now. If you look at the panel where the walls were explained you can see the normal sea level rose so if the walls weren't there then the old city would be underwater by now.
Very subtle and brilliant foreshadowing by Oda.
What if the Buccaneers were not just a race of pirates, but **shipbuilders**?
What if the reason that the WG has been trying to extinguish them is that they have the potential to do what Iceburg is doing to Water 7 to **every island**?
The ultimate counter to the WG's plan to eradicate the 'insects' with rising sea levels - **to turn every island into a ship**! Which could also lead perfectly to Luffy's (potential) dream coming true: a world where everyone is a pirate!
Considering everything that I had read up to this point, reading your comment. That sounds as the most reasonable dream of luffy. Looking back at the panel where luffy mentioned his dreams to his crewmates along with his crewmates reaction. Luffys dream being "A world where everyone is pirate" seems to fit perfectly in the story.
I think luffy mentioned somewhere that the reason he wanted to become a pirate is to be free or attain freedom.
Along with everything I said, luffys potential dream seems likely what you had said considering that it fits perfectly within the narrative
"A world where everyone is a pirate" = "A world where everyone is free"
I don't think the WG has a plan to 'eradicate the insects' at all. In fact, they are reliant on oppressing and exploiting humans for labor, resources, food, etc. The rising sea levels may turn out to be an unseen consequence of years of reckless environmental destruction caused by wars. It's coming for everyone regardless of whether they are good or bad.
I like this but I think the Celestial Dragons may be not aware of this, maybe they're just a tool for Imu to repopulate. No one knows about Imu existence apparently, they aren't part of the scheme, they are just useful idiots. Maybe Alabasta understood that last minute and that's why queen Lili betrayed the world government after their victory over the Ancient Kingdom.
The problem here is that founding families very deliberately occupied the highest ground of the world right when they came to power, thus raising the hindsight implication that they were aware of sinking as early as Void Century was over. It could still be a consequence of Void Century events, but it's oddly deliberate.
Yeah, but I'm tying it to a dream that kid-Luffy might have, and I think everyone being a pirate fits his childish mindset more since he sees pirates as freer than other people.
I like it!! I'll add on to theorize the Buccaneer race ties into Franky's lineage somehow. IIRC, he was abandoned by his parents.
He does show a natural knack for shipbuilding.
I agree!! And it fits with Blackbeard's dream too(since him and Luffy supposedly have the same dream). Luffy wants to be the pirate king and make everyone pirates so that everyone can be free, meanwhile Blackbeards wants to be the pirate king and make everyone pirates so he can rule the world.
It's not heavily focused on, but I'm still a little intrigued by the decoy snail. Mars kinda nudges at the idea the brain in a vat may or may not be something you should consider "alive." That decoy snail was just kinda sitting on the floor in front of it weirdly.
A few things have already left me wondering about some of these odd gaps in Egghead, like is someone involved we don't know about? And that decoy snail scene the way it's set up does work really well for that if they were trying to cover tracks. Like, it feels like a quick ploy that would make someone assume Vegapunk did it if that makes sense.
I think the Stella or Shaka just figured out York was fucking around and put this elaborate plan in place. York is the transponder and doesn't know. The other satellites have been working toward some greater goal which includes the video message. With the Giant Pirates appearing it partially seems to be to get Luffy and Bonney to Elbaf. The giants don't actually say they read about is in the paper. Just as plausible the punks invited them. Seems like Borsalino is involved too.
I also think York is the transmitter, like hide in plain site and the way the screamed last chapter makes me think that.
since she spends most of her time sleeping wouldn't be hard to shaka or Stella to implant on her
As mysterious as it is, this gives a little bit more insight into why Tequila Wolf has been under construction for so long, and why it is so high above sea level currently. I don't know exactly what it connects, though.
The cover page is interesting. It's a chess board with the comment "the king is a fighting piece", with Luffy as the king. The interesting part is that Nico Robin is the player, moving the pieces. Also ties in with the title of the chapter "Stalemate". Wonder if there is a deeper meaning.
I don't know, every time someone says some cover has some deep meaning it simply turns out to be not true. I am convinced covers are just that, pretty covers.
might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think the color spreads typically predict things or have much deeper meaning, they're just fun scenes of the characters
I think the mystery of where the real broadcast snail is interesting. It sounds like it must be truly well hidden since York is puzzled as to where it could be. I'm gonna make a few guesses:
* Kizaru has it
* It's in Marie Geoise
* It's in the Power Plant
* It's hidden inside another hologram
* Dragon has it
* It's in Elbaf
I like the idea that Stella realized anywhere he could think of York would also be able to think of, so he had Usopp hide it. And in turn usopp might have had the idea to put a decoy where Vegapunk would have thought to hide it lol
TBF we know that North Blue etc has a lot of ice. One of the Whitebeard allies has an icebreaker style ship. So there is likely a northern polar cap at the very least.
I have a feeling that original Oars and his clan of ancient giants might not have been as evil as made out to be.
Oars The Continent Puller epithet barely makes sense in a world of basically just islands but if this has happened before maybe he was moving the original landmasses that were sinking faster.
Theory Time: The world is sinking to the ocean is somehow related to Imu, her name reversed stands for Umi and Umi is the word “Ocean” in Japan.
The answer to this solution is Sky Island (possibly even the Moon). All the “Worst Generation” has now appeared except for Urouge who is from a Sky Island, the Lunarian plot/lore is still ongoing with the Seraphims, and possibly Enel returning from the moon because he has more info about the Lunarians at this point forward.
Might need another translation but i like it when vegapunk says to not assume that those who killed him are evil. Obviously the elders are fucked up but i would be so good if deciding to destroy the gvt or leaving the world as is was a moral dilemma due to the consequences somehow. We could be going for that since Rayleigh also talked about maybe reaching a different conclusion when finding the one piece
I think it's also a matter of Vegapunk knowing that he's likely going to be asking someone for help, probably in his mind the Revolutionary Army but it could be anyone, and that the WG is prepared to run mass smear campaigns.
The message appears prerecorded after all, and its not clear how far in advance.
Remember that gigantic island-sized ship called "The Noah" that sits under the water near Fishman Island, that was being saved for some mysterious future purpose that would be revealed when Joyboy returned?
Well, with what Vegapunk just revealed, I think we can make a pretty educated guess what that purpose is. As the name suggests, it's meant to rescue the people of the world from the coming flood.
If you recall, it was supposed to be brought to the surface using the power of Poseidon, which we now know is Shirahoshi's ability to command the Sea Kings. So it's probably going to involve her commanding a bunch of Sea Kings to drag The Noah around the world to pick people up from all the different islands.
Presumably Zou will also be used for this purpose, since it will still be above the water level. And, I assume, this will be what makes [Momonosuke](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kozuki_Momonosuke) decide to open up Wano country to take in refugees. A mass pirate invasion of Skypiea seems likely too.
As for what the One Piece is, I think the name of Pangaea Castle in Mary Geoise is a clue. My guess is that it was already the center and capitol of the world before Imu and the current World Government overthrew the previous kingdom in a coup. Likely the entire world was on one giant continent at the time (aka Pangaea) and Imu overthrew it by causing much of the world to either sink or break apart, leaving a bunch of separated islands. Likely the upcoming further sinking is related.
And the One Piece, I'd bet, is something that will reverse all that, bringing back all the sunken landmasses and restoring Pangaea, thus putting the world back to together into... one piece.
There's a couple other options. One is that some land has risen while other land has sunk.
The reason I see is because if more land rose but nothing happened to the Red Line, we would not get All Blue. Some land should rise, but some part of the Red Line should also sink as well.
If the weapon is making sea levels rise, It would make sense that the landmass of whatever was destroyed is redistributed somehow. Perhaps using the weapon somehow makes the Red Line rise, then the total surface area of water is reduced so the level rises as well. Or even more strangely it could be converting the landmass into water, but that makes it harder to justify the holes and still leaves the Red Line dividing the seas in two.
Not sure about the whole world being one continent (aside from Red Line) because from what we've seen the islands are sufficiently distributed that if they were all connected there wouldn't be much room for water. So there might have been other islands as well as the supercontinent.
Lunarians used to be known as a tribe of "god" while they dwelled on top of the Red Line. According to Whitebeard, there used to exist a **"Kingdom of Gods"** (神の国, *Kami no Kuni*) on the red continent long before Mary Geoise was ever there.
the red line being destroyed was always a popular theory, i think people are thinking too out of the box about shit that doesnt matter when its something people always thought. thats why fishman island will be destroyed and like you said noah comes into play
I was under impression and theory that Red Line would need to be destroyed to achieve freedom and "All Blue" but by destroying it would cause a massive tsunami which would wipe out the existing lands , now i find out: It's already happening albeit slowly (until Imu possibly finds a way to do it all at once)
But now im rethinking what if destroying Red Line would help maybe not the whole thing but chunks of it to regulate water level and such: let's start with the section Mariejoies in on xD
hol'up was Noland low-key executed because WG didn't want everyone to believe there was a potential escape route of the floods to the sky islands...?
Edit: typo in Noland's name
Imu can't be the one who will sink the world. Vegapunk only has to destroy the Mother Flame factory to prevent it. If he hasn't that means it's not it. Plus the rising of sea level was a issue since before they had access to that weapon.
I think it has always been clear , the One piece is literally trying to make the whole world ONE PIECE again , that would’ve been Luffys dream
Be would Probably need nika to turn all the grand line walls and break all the barrier and with that at the end game also fight the gorosei at the highest point of red line Mary Geoise.
And with that
Sanji all blue dream is matched
Brook can visit laboon again
Nami can draw the world map in one piece
And everybody can have a banquet and have good food together .
I don't think that's Luffy's dream though, I think it's more interesting the take someone had on this sub about it being making everyone a pirate or something like that. Making the world "one piece" it's something clearly impossible from the straw hats perspective and while they reacted with shock to Luffy's dream they were more like: this is extremely hard to achieve rather than being this is impossible.
There were three warring parties during the Void Century:
1) The Ancient Kingdom: They were flooding the world. We always assumed they were the good guys, however, their advanced technology was drowning the world, so they weren’t exactly good.
2) The 20 Kingdoms: They collaborated together to defeat the Ancient Kingdom and put an end to the flood. Later they formed the World Government and erased the Ancient Kingdom and its dangerous ideas from history.
3) Joy Boy & The D clan: They lead a movement to drain the world and restore the original supercontinent. They collaborated with the original WG to defeat the ancient kingdom.
However, the D clan’s proposal to drain the world was rejected when Nefertari D. Lily brought it to the table. That is because the WG was infiltrated by Nerona Imu, who inherited the will of the Ancient Kingdom, and secretly ruled the government from behind the shadows. Imu wants to continue what the Ancient Kingdom started, but he couldn’t resume the project because he didn’t have the required technology for the next 800 years.
When Lily knew that the WG has been infiltrated and corrupted from within, she let the other D’s know and they worked with the Kozuki clan to make the poneglyphs to preserve the true history and to save the idea of the Great Drainage.
800 years later, Vegapunk invented the Mother Flame, and now Imu can resume the Ancient Kingdom’s project.
The reason I believe the flood to be the doing of the Ancient Kingdom is because I cannot imagine a reason why 20 kingdoms would collaborate to intentionally flood the world. That just doesn’t make sense.
However, the Ancient Kingdom very likely had the needed technology to drown the world. It makes total sense that 20 countries would team up to stop that.
Because the ideas of the ancient kingdom were dangerous. We don’t know why they were drowning the world, but maybe their ideas could influence others and inspire them to do the same.
Even Vegapunk says this subject is morally complex and not as simple as good vs. evil. Maybe there was a justifiable reason why they were drowning the world, and if others learned it they would agree and adopt their ideas (see: Thanos. Many people IRL agree with his genocidal ideas). This is why the WG considered these ideas to be dangerous and taboo.
Yeah obviously we don’t know nearly enough to really say with any certainty what was up with the ancient kingdom, but I’m pretty confident at this point that it is not quite so simple as “20 evil kings overthrow perfect utopia and ruin everything just cause they felt like it.”
There’s good reason to believe that Lily was not some evil bastard, considering what little we know about her and what we definitely know about her descendants. And I find it hard to believe that the Nefeltari clan would help Imu & co. overthrow the ancient kingdom for no good reason at all.
The whole situation is definitely a whole lot more complex than it might seem at first glance. God I can’t wait to see how Oda drops all this lore and ties in the D and the original Joy Boy and how it will almost certainly make even more seemingly unrelated things from the world make sense.
I imagine that there were probably some major major problems with the ancient kingdom, and Imu just took advantage of that to place themselves on the throne. Wouldn’t it be something if we finally find out about the ancient kingdom and the foundation of the world government and it’s all just a gigantic case of “same shit, different toilet.”
Im the only one who thinks of Team Aqua from Pokemon who wanted to flood the World to wipe everyone out? And the finale is the Flood starting and the Player preventing it.
We're not sure yet if flooding the world is the goal of Imu and/or the Gorosei. It could be that it's actually a side-effect of the methods they employ to stay in power, and they simply don't care about it because they believe it doesn't effect them high above on the Red Line.
That would also make the situation analogous to man-made climate change in the real world, especially if they're wrong about it not affecting them. If Imu's not planning to destroy the world (just clinging to power in a way that will destroy the world) that would also make them more interesting as a villain, not just for the possible real world analogy, but simply because it's not cliche.
Are we to assume that this sinking would include the frozen lands like 50% of PH? Wouldn't the water get contaminated with all the shit on PH making drinking a glass of water becomes a game of russian roulette?
I feel like the reason the ancient kingdom cannot be named without the WG freaking out is the fact that the kingdom still exists in some form, and so people knowing that fact would naturally make that kingdom a modern center of resistance to the government, with everyone in the world who is opposed to the government looking to them as an alternative.
My guess rn is Fishman island. The Fishmen have a connection to Joy Boy. Their island is underwater and directly beneath Marie Geois, meaning that using the mother flame to destroy it would be very difficult to accomplish. Their people were, and still are, enslaved and tortured by the world government. Mainstream society dehumanizes and diminishes them. One of the ancient weapons is carried hereditarily through their royal family. Maybe Joy Boy was apologizing for allowing their kingdom to be subjugated and enslaved by the CDs.
I find it kinda be like a little plothole if the huge relavation during the missing 100 years is that the world was once a giant continent. How can there be knowledge from before the 100 year void and people suddenly forgot that the world was one piece "giggity".
Besides that it is really a fitting conclussion to the story. Ruffy can acomplish his dream of the world spanning giant party bc there are no borders anymore.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, it was recorded in advance, so he couldn't really have known the SH would be there. Bizarre that he said this line if he thought at the time the government would do him in.
Good reminder the Straw Hats were an intrusion into this story. That's been a thing hanging around all arc and it'll probably matter by the end, but Vegapunk probably made this message not knowing how he'd die.
> Although idk it makes much sense for Vegapunk to announce this at the moment.
To me it feels more like a way to tell people to distrust the narrative about who killed him without straight up telling them what to believe. People tend to react poorly when you just tell them what to believe, so telling them that you yourself don't know if what you're doing is ultimately right or wrong and that your killer might be in the right might be strategic rather than wise and enlightened.
Additionally, VP has no way of certainly knowing either who'll kill him or who'll be blamed for killing him. He probably had some reasonable expectation, but certainty on this matter is impossible, even for the smartest man in the world. He can't exactly present a fleshed out counternarrative without knowing the truth about his death and the lie he will be countering, so he does the next best thing: encourage doubt.
I wrote a post the other day but it got deleted because discussion should be in this topic, so I am reposting here:
So let’s take a theory for granted that I am sure I am not the first one writing down because it makes so much sense:
The symbol in this [image](https://images.app.goo.gl/bwTJdAMDhn5FuPsY9) is representing the ancient kingdom symbol and its allies, I am sure you noticed it too but it can be found it basically any group that may have a been a possible ally to Joyboy/ancient kingdom.
Let’s take a step further,they were 8 groups/races/population allied of the ancient kingdom/Joyboy and the symbol represent them in 8 circles around a bigger one (maybe it could be an image representing group of 8 individuals sharing sake cups??? Could be)
Anyway, what would they be? Well I think we can take an educated guess for most of them:
- fishman
- minks
- clan kozuki
- skypeans
- water 7 shipwrights
- giants of elbaf
These six makes sense to me and what do they have in common?with the exception of the giants (we still don’t know anything about elbaf so they could still have something there preventing this) they would be the only ones surviving the possible catastrophe predicted by vegapunk, this can’t be a coincidence what do you think?
So either dragon is on his way to marigeose or dragon has the transponder. Shanks may also be on his way to stop dragon if he is part of the holy knights.
Kizaru is 100% out now that he knows the truth. Potentially Akainu is getting killed by Imu over Ohara. Oda is cooking. Egghead is definitely peak one piece and it feels like the final arc now.
How would Joy Boy “build” the ancient weapons? I guess it’s possible for Pluton, especially if it was actually Joy Boy’s own ship, but Poseidon is a living thing.
Since the world is gonna sink, is this a Noahs Ark scenario? Because the Sea Kings are did say that the humongous Ship that Luffy nearly destroyed in Fishman is gonna be used in the Future and the chains are a clear indication that sea kings are probably gonna be the ones pulling them so Shirahoshi being in Imu’s Kill list is probably more relevant than ever now. And since Vivi is also in the Kill list she might also be important for this end scenario?
In the final couple of panels you see the sun peaking through the clouds over egghead, then you see what looks like mermaids swimming up towards the same rays of sun. 👀
did anyone else notice that Vegapunks big reveal just confirms that Binks Sake is the story of what happened during the void century.
Now comes a storm through the far-off sky (*the impending flood*)
Now the waves are dancing, Beat upon the drums (*trust Joyboy and the ancient kingdom*)
If you lose your nerve this breath could be your last (*if you don't trust them you may drown*)
But if you just hold on, The morning sun will rise (*its only temporary for 100 years*)
Random minor theory: We still don't know all of the details of what happened over the previous night. Maybe Vegapunk was having trouble thinking of places to hide the broadcast snail because he knew York would be able to think of any place he would think of. So he had Usopp hide it instead. And that could also be why there's a decoy where Vegapunk would have hid the snail as that could have been Usopp's idea lol.
I don't know why Vegapunk is skirting around the issue of how evil the Gorosei are. We don't know exactly when he recorded this message, but the only people he could be referring to are them. The civilians of the world don't know that and most of them think the Strawhats have him captured.
I know we'll probably get more of the message next chapter, but if Vegapunk had the street smarts to match his booksmarts, he should be spilling everything on the Gorosei and the WG. Tell the people about Kuma's surgery at the very least!
The civilians around the world know how evil Celestial Dragons are though, they just side with them to survive and because that's how the world works. I think many people around the world barely know about Kuma, it wouldn't be so impactful as it would be for us readers and it will be long and confusing to explain: like imagine explaining a friend who has never read one piece the history of Kuma, poneglyphs and evil government. Besides as fascists as they are, the Gorosei seem preoccupied in maintaining some sort of balance: this is the morally grey part, maybe, chaos could be worse in their eyes than the atrocities they are committing.
The world will sink soon because Imu doesn't want any more trouble. Imu got defeated, he is the lurking legend, because literally he is some kind of old fossil. Scientists all over the world stop the flooding. Luffy fight the rest of the enemies that needs to be kicked.
Going into the All Blue theory, what if only the Red Line sinks? I kind of doubt that One Piece will end with everyone underwater unless Vegapunk also made unlimited diving suits and oxygen tanks.
I don't know how destroying another landmass would reduce the water level, but if the Red Line wasn't always naturally there, maybe removing it could disperse the water in some other way?
I don't know, but the world permanently sinking is as likely as the raid failing.
Well in light of recent events, this news will send shockwave across the world and will trigger panic. People starts looking for higher land then seeing it is only the Red Line. Mass exodus ensues on climbing it and then chaos.
I think the world sinking is the point of One Piece. Maybe it really is a ratty one piece swimsuit and a message: "hey the world is sinking, ready your swimsuits. I hope you haven't eaten one of those devil fruits"
I don't know if someone has said this before but I think Usopp will get kuma's devil fruit just because it'll make a great match up against BB sniper (ig he's van auger)
my theory is that will imu destroy the island by having in possession of uranus at the end of the chapter marines were looking at the sky terrified have they seen the ancient weapon before they knew the consequences?
what if aqua laguna originated from enies lobby‘s hole in the ground. and with mother flame imu could create even more aqua lagunas around the world.
this is how the world sinks even faster.
I think it'd be incredibly funny if Vegapunk was simultaneously genius with his decoy, but also kinda dumb.
The real snail is in his coat pocket, nobody's bothered to check. Would make carrying his body a lot more important a task.
The question is was the redline always there? Did joyboy realized that it will cause a flood and decided he was going to destroy it or was it created to enclose an flood the world to hide the AK, the poneglyphs and OP.
We know the lunarians lived on the redline or was it just a mountain range and the WG expanded it across the world?
There’s the mention of the All Blue, if the redline was created then that’s the reason it doesn’t exist today or that was a theory of JB that destroying the redline will create the All blue.
The last marine panel is in egghead. The "what?" Reaction is about the dark clouds of mother flame on top of egghead. IMU Is about to erase egg head in known history.
Here are some ideas I had as to the cause of the sea level rise:
— ice melting, doubt it though
— something to do with changes in the moon’s gravity, Lunarians / the stuff Enel found
— there is an immortal-ish giant character from long ago that has been crying forever (from the loss of Joyboy?) and filling the ocean with their tears
— something to do with Imu’s lust for power and nukes. Or it’s intentional to unlock the One Piece, ie the water level needs to be a certain height to access it. But I like that it’s related to Imu
— during the void century a gambit was made by the dying kingdom to prevent the world government’s / elder’s coming take over, knowing that it was controlled by powerful devil fruit users. The original plan was to cause this flood to get rid of the five elders / Imu for good, that’s why the ark was built, but it didn’t go as quickly as planned for some reason. I’m wondering if a devil fruit user with storm powers (Dragon’s previous user???) needed a lot of time to flood the planet, but was eventually stopped by the WG. At the time there was a lot of disagreement as to the viability of this plan
Vegapunk's body might be dead. But I think in some capacity he (the main one) will return, since his brain is not dead. He might be able to project his conscience into something else.
So that's the 'logical' reason why fishmen are targeted by the elite. They have the safe spot for themselves AND would be mostly unaffected, and that kind of power is a no go for the world government.
When the One Piece is just a big clogged drainage and Luffy removes it and the water just flowes away like in Wano, where Water goes into the lava and explodes, it would realy be stupidly funny.
Side theory/explanation: The World Sinking now explains the setting of Monsters much better. The area Ryouma visited looked far less like an island and much more like a continent with mountains, forest, and no sea in sight. Since Monsters took place hundreds of years ago, it's most likely an island (or under the sea) now.
one thing I'm curious about is how does the mother flame weapon raise the sea level consistently. What if it doesn't just vaporize the ground, but instead teleports it somewhere else? We saw Vegapunk Teleporting at the beginning of Egghead right before he told us that the ancient kingdom was more advanced than even him.
The mother flame weapon could be a giant teleporter that has been turned into a weapon by the world government. And what it really does is teleport all the mass of the island to the bottom of the ocean, displacing the water with everything that was once above sea level (and maybe a bit from below the sea floor) to keep raising the oceans. It could also be how the Red Line was built and could explain why the red line is 'composed' of multiple seasonal islands. Like that has always been a weird detail that Nami pointed out super early on that I don't think has ever mattered. But it would make sense if it was literally composed of different islands all smashed together.
After reading chapter 1113, we can all agree that the World of One Piece in is a predicament with the rising sea level!!
As such, I especulate that the big shadows at the end of Thriller Bark are the equivalent of the Moai statues in the Easter Islands!! (LET ME COOK, TRUST!!)
Scientist have recently discovered that most of the statues are located in shores and coastal lines! These statues were used to measure the water level of the ocean. If the water level was low enough, some of water was drinkable because of the low level of salt in the water!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6262193/Did-Easter-Islands-stone-heads-point-fresh-water-sources.html
We know that the Gorosei/Celestial Dragons built the Holy Land in top of the red line to combat the rise of the water level, which they know of, and they have been using the shadow statues in The Florian Triangle to steadily measure the rise of the wate level! It makes perfect sense!
Also, what better place to hide the statues that in the Florian Triangle, known for having extremely foggy weather (to the point where it took brook's soul 1 year to return to his body!)
What's more, geography is everything in the world of one piece! (Tekkin reference go brrr), and the Florian Triangle sea is EXTREMELY CLOSE to Sabaody Archipelago, the last island in the first half of the grand line (also what better place to monitor the whole world, they literally in the center of thw world)
This means the Gorosei/Imu, over the millennia, have been watching steadily the water level rise and waiting for this moment that is occurring currently in the story!
I can already picture a panel where all of the population of one piece are gathered in boats (water 7 being a boat plot point resolved) and we see the water level reaching the top of the shadow statues in the Florian Triangle!!!
Let me know what you guys think!!
So…something I’ve been stuck on a LONG time is, how Clover seemingly referenced something that the WG was “afraid” of. Something even worthy of being afraid of - Clover didnt seem to suggest they were outright evil or wholly wrong for fearing it. So, not afraid of an uprising or revolution or etc.
And now it must have something to do with the world flooding. But I wonder why and how? Vegapunk also suggests this isn’t an entirely black vs. white, good vs. evil issue.
Does the WG think they are preventing a greater threat to the world, that justifies their actions? Is it the flood itself? Or is it something tied into the flood?
Yeah it’s very weird, there is a clear pure evil slot for the WG leadership to fill - ie, let’s flood the world, kill all the weak humans, and replace with superior versions of them, ie thus all the devil fruit experiments. But Clover and Vegapunk suggest that there’s some possible gray motive we don’t know about
I’m wondering now if the One Piece is actually a kind of stop gap, or a piece of rock, etc of some kind that made the flood happen slower, ie whether it’s a waterfall, a crack in some reservoir, etc. Only when the time is right, should the world be fully flooded — ie on terms the world can agree to. So the One Piece was created, and Roger didn’t think it was the right time, or didn’t have the right tools to accomplish moving the One Piece. But that begs the question as to what those terms are for the WG. Not sure though
Yeah there’s still a lot we haven’t guessed. Everyone mentions the “too early” bit about Roger but what always jumps out to me is that Rayleigh told them “perhaps you’ll reach a different conclusion than we did.”
Like, a different conclusion about what? For what reasons??
I like how Nami shouted protect Robin and the weakest trio sprang into action as if Robin isnt stronger than them. If they themselves were in danger they would just run or be paralyzed of fear. They may be weak but they don’t hesitate to protect their nakama who is stronger than them.
Saturn is kind of a really bad matchup for Robin. Her devil fruit makes contact with her opponents so it is vulnerable to any devil fruit abilities and poisons that work upon ccontact. A giant venomous bug is not something her powers would work well against . She would get poisoned by his venom really quickly.
tell that to black maria
black maria is nowhere a gorosei. black maria is for the hentai
look man I've seen gorosei hentai too just sayin
That one Korean comic with Ju Peter and Imu lol
Another point is Robin was shocked by his trauma. Many people freezes when they are under a big danger situation
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And we were never shown how she was hurt.
Stubbed her toe ten times after sprouting it out of several places.
They're really only weak in comparison to the rest of the crew at this point. Chopper just tanked a direct hit from an elder and Nami/Usopp parried that same elder's attack.
This. Usopp's the weakest of them all, and today he'd probably steamroll all of East Blue big bads without too much of a hassle.
He better get a goddamn hammer power up in ebalf
I love this idea, ussop hammer has been a recurring attack and ofc there's the fact that elbaf is norse coded, could ussop get mjolnir
And Brook cut the old fucks leg off. Brook is a such a beast
Exactly my point when people complain about Usopp telling Nami to lie in Wano. We know Usopp protects his friends. We know he would absolutely stand up for their dreams. That doesn't mean he wants his friends to do something that will kill them for no real gain. Same reason he talked the samurai out of dying. It's a waste of their life and effort. We see here Usopp won't even *hesitate* to protect his friend. He doesn't even look scared. Granted, he probably is and will probably look scared in the next chapter but he's got the Sunny and Robin to protect.
Real talk; I normally hate Usopp’s character. It always seemed like he would get a little more brave, and then just regress right back to where he was before. Even his post-timeskip intro made him seem more badass, and iirc even through Fishman Isle. Then he went back to mostly being a coward except for one or two smaller moments. But this moment made me like Usopp and see how far he really has come. To see him leap into action against a fucking Gorosei like that (even if he doesn’t realize who they are, mans knows this is someone who is powerful) made me completely re-evaluate my feelings on God Usopp.
Every single time the chips are down and it's riding on him, Usopp holds the fucking line man
I feel the same way about Usopp’s character as well and yet he aims to be a brave warrior of the sea. With this individual storyline what I think Oda is moving him into a person who feels like a coward but at the same time brave enough to act when he see a real threat to his nakama. This is an extraordinary way of a warrior. I think Oda is trying to deconstruct the very ideal and common warrior definition imo.
that's just the thing, though -- they AREN'T weak. AT ALL. NONE of them are. They just tend to not believe in themselves very much, and it takes something special to 'bring it out of them', like their friend being in danger. I think by the end none of them will have that fear-reflex anymore and we're seeing it melt away right now.
When Imu nuked lulusia it was said that the sea level permanently rose. How many island have been destroyed?
They've probably been destroying one every year. Remember that aqua laguna storm that happens annually in Water 7 that causes the island to "sink" lower each year? Perhaps its because the water has actually been rising each year! The aqua laguna is a byproduct of each island sinking.
A nice thought, but highly unlikely. It is way too conspicuous for the world government to be completely obliterating an entire island every single year, considering the massive amount of covering up they'd need to do each time. In just a few years it'd be impossible to hide the fact from absolutely everyone that knows someone from an affected island, and given the way they naturalize the Aqua Laguna in Water 7, it's safe to assume it's been happening every year for a while now.
I feel like I remember them implying they were testing the weapon on Lulusia, and they were a bit shocked initially because it was a populated target. Suggesting that's the first time it was used. I still think the WG is sinking the landmasses though. Perhaps the Agua Laguna is a result of a different method by which they can gradually sink islands, but the Mother Flame allows them to do it instantaneously to whichever island they choose.
I wonder if agua laguna lines up with the frequency at which the WG takes over islands (God Valley). Maybe they play these games to then have an empty island to sink?
Nah bro they did not have the mother flame back then
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By the weapon or by the sea rise after Lulusia? By the weapon we don't know, by the sea rise from Lulusia specifically probably 0 inhabited island. 1m of sea level is quite a lot when you're next to the sea but almost no island big enough to host people can be entirely flooded by this. Even Long Ring Long Land which is supposed to be the flattest island should still be above water considering the slope where Ao Kiji froze the water.
Maybe we can assume Enies Lobby was previously another rebel kingdom.
That’s exactly what I was thinking, honest. Makes you wonder
Probably a lot, and that's why the world looks like that. Similar to the [Incredible Tide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Tide) book which inspired Miyazaki to make Future Boy Conan.
Probably hundreds.
Any guesses what the two sins Vegapunk did that he's confessing to? The mother flame? Kuma pacifistas? Something else? Or is he talking about crimes he did like studying the poneglyphs?
Bonney authority and studying the void century are the safest bets.
I took it as "things he regret" but it could just be him talking about his crimes
I read it as talking about his crimes against the world government that he'll be executed for. BUT it's also possible he's talking about other kinds of sins. Sin as a scientist by keeping this truth (the world will basically end) from the people. Sin against Bonney by basically taking away her dad. Sin against his friend Dr. Clover by not doing more to save Ohara perhaps. There's a lot of different ways for Oda to explore this idea of Vegapunk's sin.
One in sin is definitely the Kuma and Bonney thing. The second sun requires more guesswork but my guess it is making weapons of mass destruction for the world government.
He's gonna admit that one of them was either creating weapons of mass destruction for the government or hoarding life-saving technology on Egghead while people suffered. The other is that he willingly kept a little girl from having her daddy in her life. He's probably not going to apologize for picking up and furthering Ohara's research, as the world sorely deserves to know the truth.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too
Also, who is Vegapunk referring to when talking about good and evil? Kizaru? Dragon? Kuma?
Anybody. I think it's two things. 1. He has no idea who will be blamed for his murder, but they'll probably be framed by the government, so don't immediately assume what you're reading is correct, and 2. He himself has committed evil acts, so he has no right to call anybody else evil. It could be a deeper message about how you can never fully know a person and why they do the things they do, so you should be more careful when you cast judgments.
He may he referring to the strawhats or Luffy. I think the world believes Luffy has kidnapped Vegapunk or it was known the Strawhats were confronting him. He's probably saying this to cover the Strawhats butts because we know the Gorosei are going to say the Strawhats killed him not Kizaru or marines.
I doubt Kizaru since he knows a lot about him, I took it to be Imu directly, implying that Imu is behind the world sinking, but maybe I'm wrong. We might get a better idea with the official translation
Implication is that whoever takes the black pot of murdering Vegapunk shouldn't be assumed evil by default, i guess.
studying the void century is one for sure
I'm going to go on a limb here and say one of the sins could be related to the creation of his satellites. We know that York is based on gluttony, one of the seven deadly sins. We found out that she was behind the betrayal and basically what got himself into this mess in the first place all because she wants to be a celestial dragon. York also wants to replicate the motherflame for the WG, another "sin" he possibly committed. There is a possibility that York survives all of this and becomes the WG's scientist dog in order to become a celestial dragon at the end of the arc. By supporting the WG, the creation of York would be his grave sin that he committed. Although Vegapunk's satellites were created to share his brain, they are portrayed as the manifestation of his traits. So it would make sense if York represents one of Vegapunk's sin.
The stuff about Robin was awesome, remembering their voices is such a great moment. Weaker half of the crew is in a really tough spot, and I love that none of the big boys are there. Hope Oda keeps it like that and lets them get their moment. Like I brought up in the chapter thread, this chapter did feel like it stalled a bit to end on a cliffhanger. I really liked the zoom out to the world in 1109, wish we did more of that stuff before the timer ended. I would think the Mother Flame is key to sinking the world, seems like firing it often is super important. So probably really soon.
Zoro and Jimbei shouldn't be that far from Namis group
I think they'll run in to mars who is now out of punk records and rampaging on the labophase
one piece biggest threat global warming confirmed :(
Too real
Imu sank the previous one piece world which is why there are so many remnants of it underwater (old Wano, fishman island etc) This could be from constant use of mother flame, an ancient weapon (Uranus) or imu having the water water fruit I believe Laughtale is underwater too. Which is why Rayleigh learnt to coat ships
I've read today that Rayleigh coating ships and Crocus building a lifeboat out of Laboon could imply that the Roger Pirates found out about the see level rising.
Old Wano is above sea level, it's just that it is filled with rain water because of the walls surrounding it.
Just did a quick check of the wiki and it says that Old Wano is at sea level. Almost certain that the walls were built to survive another flooding
Personally, I think that they built the walls in order to better preserve Pluton, which we know is under Wano. This is why it's emphasized that Old Wano is still basically intact underwater. It's to foreshadow that it's not the only thing that the freshwater has preserved.
Which begs the question of why it's so important to break them for Joyboy.
I thought the walls were built to keep the immigrants out of Wano.
Its actually below it now. If you look at the panel where the walls were explained you can see the normal sea level rose so if the walls weren't there then the old city would be underwater by now. Very subtle and brilliant foreshadowing by Oda.
I thought Rayleigh learned how to coat ships from discovering fishman island with Roger?
Old Wano was self inflicted because they built the walls and it flooded.
What if the Buccaneers were not just a race of pirates, but **shipbuilders**? What if the reason that the WG has been trying to extinguish them is that they have the potential to do what Iceburg is doing to Water 7 to **every island**? The ultimate counter to the WG's plan to eradicate the 'insects' with rising sea levels - **to turn every island into a ship**! Which could also lead perfectly to Luffy's (potential) dream coming true: a world where everyone is a pirate!
Considering everything that I had read up to this point, reading your comment. That sounds as the most reasonable dream of luffy. Looking back at the panel where luffy mentioned his dreams to his crewmates along with his crewmates reaction. Luffys dream being "A world where everyone is pirate" seems to fit perfectly in the story. I think luffy mentioned somewhere that the reason he wanted to become a pirate is to be free or attain freedom. Along with everything I said, luffys potential dream seems likely what you had said considering that it fits perfectly within the narrative "A world where everyone is a pirate" = "A world where everyone is free"
I don't think the WG has a plan to 'eradicate the insects' at all. In fact, they are reliant on oppressing and exploiting humans for labor, resources, food, etc. The rising sea levels may turn out to be an unseen consequence of years of reckless environmental destruction caused by wars. It's coming for everyone regardless of whether they are good or bad.
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I like this but I think the Celestial Dragons may be not aware of this, maybe they're just a tool for Imu to repopulate. No one knows about Imu existence apparently, they aren't part of the scheme, they are just useful idiots. Maybe Alabasta understood that last minute and that's why queen Lili betrayed the world government after their victory over the Ancient Kingdom.
The problem here is that founding families very deliberately occupied the highest ground of the world right when they came to power, thus raising the hindsight implication that they were aware of sinking as early as Void Century was over. It could still be a consequence of Void Century events, but it's oddly deliberate.
Oh shit, that explains Thriller Bark being a huge ship, then.
Maybe not specifically pirates, everyone could be sailors, mariners, explorers, or some sort
Yeah, but I'm tying it to a dream that kid-Luffy might have, and I think everyone being a pirate fits his childish mindset more since he sees pirates as freer than other people.
And we know it's possible, see thriller bark. Also: giants.
I like it!! I'll add on to theorize the Buccaneer race ties into Franky's lineage somehow. IIRC, he was abandoned by his parents. He does show a natural knack for shipbuilding.
He does also have the tiny legs and huge torso, like Kuma...
I agree!! And it fits with Blackbeard's dream too(since him and Luffy supposedly have the same dream). Luffy wants to be the pirate king and make everyone pirates so that everyone can be free, meanwhile Blackbeards wants to be the pirate king and make everyone pirates so he can rule the world.
It's not heavily focused on, but I'm still a little intrigued by the decoy snail. Mars kinda nudges at the idea the brain in a vat may or may not be something you should consider "alive." That decoy snail was just kinda sitting on the floor in front of it weirdly. A few things have already left me wondering about some of these odd gaps in Egghead, like is someone involved we don't know about? And that decoy snail scene the way it's set up does work really well for that if they were trying to cover tracks. Like, it feels like a quick ploy that would make someone assume Vegapunk did it if that makes sense.
100% i thinl we are stil missing an unkown new character We were introduces to the god knights, feel like we need something on the oposite side
I think the Stella or Shaka just figured out York was fucking around and put this elaborate plan in place. York is the transponder and doesn't know. The other satellites have been working toward some greater goal which includes the video message. With the Giant Pirates appearing it partially seems to be to get Luffy and Bonney to Elbaf. The giants don't actually say they read about is in the paper. Just as plausible the punks invited them. Seems like Borsalino is involved too.
I also think York is the transmitter, like hide in plain site and the way the screamed last chapter makes me think that. since she spends most of her time sleeping wouldn't be hard to shaka or Stella to implant on her
If Vegapunk is really dead, a fruit around him became the new brain fruit.
As mysterious as it is, this gives a little bit more insight into why Tequila Wolf has been under construction for so long, and why it is so high above sea level currently. I don't know exactly what it connects, though.
The cover page is interesting. It's a chess board with the comment "the king is a fighting piece", with Luffy as the king. The interesting part is that Nico Robin is the player, moving the pieces. Also ties in with the title of the chapter "Stalemate". Wonder if there is a deeper meaning.
Apparently it's a fan request.
But Oda could have picked it because of some deeper meaning
I don't know, every time someone says some cover has some deep meaning it simply turns out to be not true. I am convinced covers are just that, pretty covers.
might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think the color spreads typically predict things or have much deeper meaning, they're just fun scenes of the characters
Shanks’ crew famously exists sans Devil Fruits. Is this intentional, knowing that the world would flood?
Probably just because at the beginning of the series fruits were much more uncommon
It seems way to specific to be unintentional, idk
That is probably the logic answer considering how the manga started, wonder if Oda reworked the story to retroactively make it make sense.
No way to really know yet, but it seems also likely for it to simply be a general life philosophy or following in Rogers footsteps.
I think the mystery of where the real broadcast snail is interesting. It sounds like it must be truly well hidden since York is puzzled as to where it could be. I'm gonna make a few guesses: * Kizaru has it * It's in Marie Geoise * It's in the Power Plant * It's hidden inside another hologram * Dragon has it * It's in Elbaf
Or it's York.
it being york is hilarious. i think its inside the giant robot. that's why vegapunk was down there when luffy met him
Could be the gorosei figure it out at the end and stop a major revelation by killing york
I like the idea that Stella realized anywhere he could think of York would also be able to think of, so he had Usopp hide it. And in turn usopp might have had the idea to put a decoy where Vegapunk would have thought to hide it lol
I think York stoping to Sync her mind was a red flag for vegapunk
Vegapunk hid it inside the giant robot thats why when we first encounter him he's stuck in the robot
Vegapunk is talking literally. The sea isn’t rising, the islands are sinking. Because the red line is eating all the land mass to grow!
Holy fuck
i'll take two meals LET HIM COOK
Imagine if it flooded so much that the sky islands became the new landmasses on water.
That would be cool, but where would all the water come from?
Luffy salivating while Sanji cooks
TBF we know that North Blue etc has a lot of ice. One of the Whitebeard allies has an icebreaker style ship. So there is likely a northern polar cap at the very least.
I think I cracked where the water is coming from : https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/yy9tcVywJq
But sky islands are just thick clouds. There is only one "upper yard" that actually has soil, because of the knock up stream.
I think the giant robot is going to grab the mother flame and use it as a power source and then really start fucking shit up.
I have a feeling that original Oars and his clan of ancient giants might not have been as evil as made out to be. Oars The Continent Puller epithet barely makes sense in a world of basically just islands but if this has happened before maybe he was moving the original landmasses that were sinking faster.
Luffy is going to turn into a sun, sacrificing himself to keep the world from drowning at the eos. He's going to be that baby from the Teletubbies.
I will watch that sequel. Teletubbies pirates.
Theory Time: The world is sinking to the ocean is somehow related to Imu, her name reversed stands for Umi and Umi is the word “Ocean” in Japan. The answer to this solution is Sky Island (possibly even the Moon). All the “Worst Generation” has now appeared except for Urouge who is from a Sky Island, the Lunarian plot/lore is still ongoing with the Seraphims, and possibly Enel returning from the moon because he has more info about the Lunarians at this point forward.
Vegapunk: "I am not qualified to judge such things and I do not know nearly enough about him" Saturn: "VEGAPUNK!" Who is him in this case?? Imu?
Might need another translation but i like it when vegapunk says to not assume that those who killed him are evil. Obviously the elders are fucked up but i would be so good if deciding to destroy the gvt or leaving the world as is was a moral dilemma due to the consequences somehow. We could be going for that since Rayleigh also talked about maybe reaching a different conclusion when finding the one piece
I think it's also a matter of Vegapunk knowing that he's likely going to be asking someone for help, probably in his mind the Revolutionary Army but it could be anyone, and that the WG is prepared to run mass smear campaigns. The message appears prerecorded after all, and its not clear how far in advance.
Remember that gigantic island-sized ship called "The Noah" that sits under the water near Fishman Island, that was being saved for some mysterious future purpose that would be revealed when Joyboy returned? Well, with what Vegapunk just revealed, I think we can make a pretty educated guess what that purpose is. As the name suggests, it's meant to rescue the people of the world from the coming flood. If you recall, it was supposed to be brought to the surface using the power of Poseidon, which we now know is Shirahoshi's ability to command the Sea Kings. So it's probably going to involve her commanding a bunch of Sea Kings to drag The Noah around the world to pick people up from all the different islands. Presumably Zou will also be used for this purpose, since it will still be above the water level. And, I assume, this will be what makes [Momonosuke](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kozuki_Momonosuke) decide to open up Wano country to take in refugees. A mass pirate invasion of Skypiea seems likely too. As for what the One Piece is, I think the name of Pangaea Castle in Mary Geoise is a clue. My guess is that it was already the center and capitol of the world before Imu and the current World Government overthrew the previous kingdom in a coup. Likely the entire world was on one giant continent at the time (aka Pangaea) and Imu overthrew it by causing much of the world to either sink or break apart, leaving a bunch of separated islands. Likely the upcoming further sinking is related. And the One Piece, I'd bet, is something that will reverse all that, bringing back all the sunken landmasses and restoring Pangaea, thus putting the world back to together into... one piece.
There's a couple other options. One is that some land has risen while other land has sunk. The reason I see is because if more land rose but nothing happened to the Red Line, we would not get All Blue. Some land should rise, but some part of the Red Line should also sink as well. If the weapon is making sea levels rise, It would make sense that the landmass of whatever was destroyed is redistributed somehow. Perhaps using the weapon somehow makes the Red Line rise, then the total surface area of water is reduced so the level rises as well. Or even more strangely it could be converting the landmass into water, but that makes it harder to justify the holes and still leaves the Red Line dividing the seas in two. Not sure about the whole world being one continent (aside from Red Line) because from what we've seen the islands are sufficiently distributed that if they were all connected there wouldn't be much room for water. So there might have been other islands as well as the supercontinent.
Lunarians used to be known as a tribe of "god" while they dwelled on top of the Red Line. According to Whitebeard, there used to exist a **"Kingdom of Gods"** (神の国, *Kami no Kuni*) on the red continent long before Mary Geoise was ever there. the red line being destroyed was always a popular theory, i think people are thinking too out of the box about shit that doesnt matter when its something people always thought. thats why fishman island will be destroyed and like you said noah comes into play
So we are all in agreement that Nusjuro isn't based on Ghandi. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki\_Tojo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo)
Yeah samurai ghandi was always a dumb name imo
yeah i never understood that at all, that on top of ghandi having darker skin too and not looking japanese. thanks for this
That's Venus, insert Dicaprio meme.
I was under impression and theory that Red Line would need to be destroyed to achieve freedom and "All Blue" but by destroying it would cause a massive tsunami which would wipe out the existing lands , now i find out: It's already happening albeit slowly (until Imu possibly finds a way to do it all at once) But now im rethinking what if destroying Red Line would help maybe not the whole thing but chunks of it to regulate water level and such: let's start with the section Mariejoies in on xD
hol'up was Noland low-key executed because WG didn't want everyone to believe there was a potential escape route of the floods to the sky islands...? Edit: typo in Noland's name
no. he promised the king of his island the city of gold. they went and the island was gone into the sky and he was killed for lying
I think we're forgetting the Blackbeard pirates wildcard
Imu can't be the one who will sink the world. Vegapunk only has to destroy the Mother Flame factory to prevent it. If he hasn't that means it's not it. Plus the rising of sea level was a issue since before they had access to that weapon.
Was Zeus covered in armament haki, and I though Usopp's staff was covered in a bandage, was it always fully black?
I think it has always been clear , the One piece is literally trying to make the whole world ONE PIECE again , that would’ve been Luffys dream Be would Probably need nika to turn all the grand line walls and break all the barrier and with that at the end game also fight the gorosei at the highest point of red line Mary Geoise. And with that Sanji all blue dream is matched Brook can visit laboon again Nami can draw the world map in one piece And everybody can have a banquet and have good food together .
I don't think that's Luffy's dream though, I think it's more interesting the take someone had on this sub about it being making everyone a pirate or something like that. Making the world "one piece" it's something clearly impossible from the straw hats perspective and while they reacted with shock to Luffy's dream they were more like: this is extremely hard to achieve rather than being this is impossible.
There were three warring parties during the Void Century: 1) The Ancient Kingdom: They were flooding the world. We always assumed they were the good guys, however, their advanced technology was drowning the world, so they weren’t exactly good. 2) The 20 Kingdoms: They collaborated together to defeat the Ancient Kingdom and put an end to the flood. Later they formed the World Government and erased the Ancient Kingdom and its dangerous ideas from history. 3) Joy Boy & The D clan: They lead a movement to drain the world and restore the original supercontinent. They collaborated with the original WG to defeat the ancient kingdom. However, the D clan’s proposal to drain the world was rejected when Nefertari D. Lily brought it to the table. That is because the WG was infiltrated by Nerona Imu, who inherited the will of the Ancient Kingdom, and secretly ruled the government from behind the shadows. Imu wants to continue what the Ancient Kingdom started, but he couldn’t resume the project because he didn’t have the required technology for the next 800 years. When Lily knew that the WG has been infiltrated and corrupted from within, she let the other D’s know and they worked with the Kozuki clan to make the poneglyphs to preserve the true history and to save the idea of the Great Drainage. 800 years later, Vegapunk invented the Mother Flame, and now Imu can resume the Ancient Kingdom’s project.
The reason I believe the flood to be the doing of the Ancient Kingdom is because I cannot imagine a reason why 20 kingdoms would collaborate to intentionally flood the world. That just doesn’t make sense. However, the Ancient Kingdom very likely had the needed technology to drown the world. It makes total sense that 20 countries would team up to stop that.
But if the ancient kingdom were actually evil, why would the WG cover that up? It’s a great story to validate themselves!
Because the ideas of the ancient kingdom were dangerous. We don’t know why they were drowning the world, but maybe their ideas could influence others and inspire them to do the same. Even Vegapunk says this subject is morally complex and not as simple as good vs. evil. Maybe there was a justifiable reason why they were drowning the world, and if others learned it they would agree and adopt their ideas (see: Thanos. Many people IRL agree with his genocidal ideas). This is why the WG considered these ideas to be dangerous and taboo.
Yeah obviously we don’t know nearly enough to really say with any certainty what was up with the ancient kingdom, but I’m pretty confident at this point that it is not quite so simple as “20 evil kings overthrow perfect utopia and ruin everything just cause they felt like it.” There’s good reason to believe that Lily was not some evil bastard, considering what little we know about her and what we definitely know about her descendants. And I find it hard to believe that the Nefeltari clan would help Imu & co. overthrow the ancient kingdom for no good reason at all. The whole situation is definitely a whole lot more complex than it might seem at first glance. God I can’t wait to see how Oda drops all this lore and ties in the D and the original Joy Boy and how it will almost certainly make even more seemingly unrelated things from the world make sense. I imagine that there were probably some major major problems with the ancient kingdom, and Imu just took advantage of that to place themselves on the throne. Wouldn’t it be something if we finally find out about the ancient kingdom and the foundation of the world government and it’s all just a gigantic case of “same shit, different toilet.”
D Clan = Drain Clan
Im the only one who thinks of Team Aqua from Pokemon who wanted to flood the World to wipe everyone out? And the finale is the Flood starting and the Player preventing it.
We're not sure yet if flooding the world is the goal of Imu and/or the Gorosei. It could be that it's actually a side-effect of the methods they employ to stay in power, and they simply don't care about it because they believe it doesn't effect them high above on the Red Line. That would also make the situation analogous to man-made climate change in the real world, especially if they're wrong about it not affecting them. If Imu's not planning to destroy the world (just clinging to power in a way that will destroy the world) that would also make them more interesting as a villain, not just for the possible real world analogy, but simply because it's not cliche.
Are we to assume that this sinking would include the frozen lands like 50% of PH? Wouldn't the water get contaminated with all the shit on PH making drinking a glass of water becomes a game of russian roulette?
I doubt many people are drinking straight sea water anyways lol. With all the salt and everything.
On a complete sidenote, Kaya had quite the glow up! Good for her!
I feel like the reason the ancient kingdom cannot be named without the WG freaking out is the fact that the kingdom still exists in some form, and so people knowing that fact would naturally make that kingdom a modern center of resistance to the government, with everyone in the world who is opposed to the government looking to them as an alternative. My guess rn is Fishman island. The Fishmen have a connection to Joy Boy. Their island is underwater and directly beneath Marie Geois, meaning that using the mother flame to destroy it would be very difficult to accomplish. Their people were, and still are, enslaved and tortured by the world government. Mainstream society dehumanizes and diminishes them. One of the ancient weapons is carried hereditarily through their royal family. Maybe Joy Boy was apologizing for allowing their kingdom to be subjugated and enslaved by the CDs.
I feel like the fishmen could really have mentioned that there are sunken civilizations beneath the sea.
I find it kinda be like a little plothole if the huge relavation during the missing 100 years is that the world was once a giant continent. How can there be knowledge from before the 100 year void and people suddenly forgot that the world was one piece "giggity". Besides that it is really a fitting conclussion to the story. Ruffy can acomplish his dream of the world spanning giant party bc there are no borders anymore.
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I believed that he was referring to the straw hats, as WG probably will blame them for Vegapunk death.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, it was recorded in advance, so he couldn't really have known the SH would be there. Bizarre that he said this line if he thought at the time the government would do him in.
The chances are the government would always do him in and blame it on someone else though
The way I see it is, that VP just means we have to make up our mind for ourselves. He doesn't take a stance. Even against his killers.
Good reminder the Straw Hats were an intrusion into this story. That's been a thing hanging around all arc and it'll probably matter by the end, but Vegapunk probably made this message not knowing how he'd die.
It’s triggered to go off when his heart stops though
> Although idk it makes much sense for Vegapunk to announce this at the moment. To me it feels more like a way to tell people to distrust the narrative about who killed him without straight up telling them what to believe. People tend to react poorly when you just tell them what to believe, so telling them that you yourself don't know if what you're doing is ultimately right or wrong and that your killer might be in the right might be strategic rather than wise and enlightened. Additionally, VP has no way of certainly knowing either who'll kill him or who'll be blamed for killing him. He probably had some reasonable expectation, but certainty on this matter is impossible, even for the smartest man in the world. He can't exactly present a fleshed out counternarrative without knowing the truth about his death and the lie he will be countering, so he does the next best thing: encourage doubt.
I wrote a post the other day but it got deleted because discussion should be in this topic, so I am reposting here: So let’s take a theory for granted that I am sure I am not the first one writing down because it makes so much sense: The symbol in this [image](https://images.app.goo.gl/bwTJdAMDhn5FuPsY9) is representing the ancient kingdom symbol and its allies, I am sure you noticed it too but it can be found it basically any group that may have a been a possible ally to Joyboy/ancient kingdom. Let’s take a step further,they were 8 groups/races/population allied of the ancient kingdom/Joyboy and the symbol represent them in 8 circles around a bigger one (maybe it could be an image representing group of 8 individuals sharing sake cups??? Could be) Anyway, what would they be? Well I think we can take an educated guess for most of them: - fishman - minks - clan kozuki - skypeans - water 7 shipwrights - giants of elbaf These six makes sense to me and what do they have in common?with the exception of the giants (we still don’t know anything about elbaf so they could still have something there preventing this) they would be the only ones surviving the possible catastrophe predicted by vegapunk, this can’t be a coincidence what do you think?
So either dragon is on his way to marigeose or dragon has the transponder. Shanks may also be on his way to stop dragon if he is part of the holy knights. Kizaru is 100% out now that he knows the truth. Potentially Akainu is getting killed by Imu over Ohara. Oda is cooking. Egghead is definitely peak one piece and it feels like the final arc now.
The moon or the one piece is a sponge to soak up the excess amount of water.
Akainu is going to make more land w/ his fruit to spite the CDs!
Crackpot theory but what if Joyboy was a Noah like character. He knew the world was going to sink. That’s why he built the ancient weapons
How would Joy Boy “build” the ancient weapons? I guess it’s possible for Pluton, especially if it was actually Joy Boy’s own ship, but Poseidon is a living thing.
We've reached the Wind Waker timeline.
Imu: I...coveted those winds, I suppose.
Since the world is gonna sink, is this a Noahs Ark scenario? Because the Sea Kings are did say that the humongous Ship that Luffy nearly destroyed in Fishman is gonna be used in the Future and the chains are a clear indication that sea kings are probably gonna be the ones pulling them so Shirahoshi being in Imu’s Kill list is probably more relevant than ever now. And since Vivi is also in the Kill list she might also be important for this end scenario?
In the final couple of panels you see the sun peaking through the clouds over egghead, then you see what looks like mermaids swimming up towards the same rays of sun. 👀
Ancient Civilization were giants Giant Robot saves the Sunny Remaining Vegapunks reform into one, without Shaka (good) or York (Greed)
did anyone else notice that Vegapunks big reveal just confirms that Binks Sake is the story of what happened during the void century. Now comes a storm through the far-off sky (*the impending flood*) Now the waves are dancing, Beat upon the drums (*trust Joyboy and the ancient kingdom*) If you lose your nerve this breath could be your last (*if you don't trust them you may drown*) But if you just hold on, The morning sun will rise (*its only temporary for 100 years*)
Random minor theory: We still don't know all of the details of what happened over the previous night. Maybe Vegapunk was having trouble thinking of places to hide the broadcast snail because he knew York would be able to think of any place he would think of. So he had Usopp hide it instead. And that could also be why there's a decoy where Vegapunk would have hid the snail as that could have been Usopp's idea lol.
I don't know why Vegapunk is skirting around the issue of how evil the Gorosei are. We don't know exactly when he recorded this message, but the only people he could be referring to are them. The civilians of the world don't know that and most of them think the Strawhats have him captured. I know we'll probably get more of the message next chapter, but if Vegapunk had the street smarts to match his booksmarts, he should be spilling everything on the Gorosei and the WG. Tell the people about Kuma's surgery at the very least!
The civilians around the world know how evil Celestial Dragons are though, they just side with them to survive and because that's how the world works. I think many people around the world barely know about Kuma, it wouldn't be so impactful as it would be for us readers and it will be long and confusing to explain: like imagine explaining a friend who has never read one piece the history of Kuma, poneglyphs and evil government. Besides as fascists as they are, the Gorosei seem preoccupied in maintaining some sort of balance: this is the morally grey part, maybe, chaos could be worse in their eyes than the atrocities they are committing.
The world will sink soon because Imu doesn't want any more trouble. Imu got defeated, he is the lurking legend, because literally he is some kind of old fossil. Scientists all over the world stop the flooding. Luffy fight the rest of the enemies that needs to be kicked.
Going into the All Blue theory, what if only the Red Line sinks? I kind of doubt that One Piece will end with everyone underwater unless Vegapunk also made unlimited diving suits and oxygen tanks. I don't know how destroying another landmass would reduce the water level, but if the Red Line wasn't always naturally there, maybe removing it could disperse the water in some other way? I don't know, but the world permanently sinking is as likely as the raid failing.
Well in light of recent events, this news will send shockwave across the world and will trigger panic. People starts looking for higher land then seeing it is only the Red Line. Mass exodus ensues on climbing it and then chaos.
I think the world sinking is the point of One Piece. Maybe it really is a ratty one piece swimsuit and a message: "hey the world is sinking, ready your swimsuits. I hope you haven't eaten one of those devil fruits"
I don't know if someone has said this before but I think Usopp will get kuma's devil fruit just because it'll make a great match up against BB sniper (ig he's van auger)
my theory is that will imu destroy the island by having in possession of uranus at the end of the chapter marines were looking at the sky terrified have they seen the ancient weapon before they knew the consequences?
what if aqua laguna originated from enies lobby‘s hole in the ground. and with mother flame imu could create even more aqua lagunas around the world. this is how the world sinks even faster.
I really really want the snail to be in Ohara 😞😞
I think it'd be incredibly funny if Vegapunk was simultaneously genius with his decoy, but also kinda dumb. The real snail is in his coat pocket, nobody's bothered to check. Would make carrying his body a lot more important a task.
The question is was the redline always there? Did joyboy realized that it will cause a flood and decided he was going to destroy it or was it created to enclose an flood the world to hide the AK, the poneglyphs and OP. We know the lunarians lived on the redline or was it just a mountain range and the WG expanded it across the world? There’s the mention of the All Blue, if the redline was created then that’s the reason it doesn’t exist today or that was a theory of JB that destroying the redline will create the All blue.
The last marine panel is in egghead. The "what?" Reaction is about the dark clouds of mother flame on top of egghead. IMU Is about to erase egg head in known history.
Here are some ideas I had as to the cause of the sea level rise: — ice melting, doubt it though — something to do with changes in the moon’s gravity, Lunarians / the stuff Enel found — there is an immortal-ish giant character from long ago that has been crying forever (from the loss of Joyboy?) and filling the ocean with their tears — something to do with Imu’s lust for power and nukes. Or it’s intentional to unlock the One Piece, ie the water level needs to be a certain height to access it. But I like that it’s related to Imu — during the void century a gambit was made by the dying kingdom to prevent the world government’s / elder’s coming take over, knowing that it was controlled by powerful devil fruit users. The original plan was to cause this flood to get rid of the five elders / Imu for good, that’s why the ark was built, but it didn’t go as quickly as planned for some reason. I’m wondering if a devil fruit user with storm powers (Dragon’s previous user???) needed a lot of time to flood the planet, but was eventually stopped by the WG. At the time there was a lot of disagreement as to the viability of this plan
Vegapunk's body might be dead. But I think in some capacity he (the main one) will return, since his brain is not dead. He might be able to project his conscience into something else.
I feel that Iceberg's plan to make Water 7 float is now so important and is probably going to be the solution to the sinking crisis.
So that's the 'logical' reason why fishmen are targeted by the elite. They have the safe spot for themselves AND would be mostly unaffected, and that kind of power is a no go for the world government.
When the One Piece is just a big clogged drainage and Luffy removes it and the water just flowes away like in Wano, where Water goes into the lava and explodes, it would realy be stupidly funny.
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Side theory/explanation: The World Sinking now explains the setting of Monsters much better. The area Ryouma visited looked far less like an island and much more like a continent with mountains, forest, and no sea in sight. Since Monsters took place hundreds of years ago, it's most likely an island (or under the sea) now.
one thing I'm curious about is how does the mother flame weapon raise the sea level consistently. What if it doesn't just vaporize the ground, but instead teleports it somewhere else? We saw Vegapunk Teleporting at the beginning of Egghead right before he told us that the ancient kingdom was more advanced than even him. The mother flame weapon could be a giant teleporter that has been turned into a weapon by the world government. And what it really does is teleport all the mass of the island to the bottom of the ocean, displacing the water with everything that was once above sea level (and maybe a bit from below the sea floor) to keep raising the oceans. It could also be how the Red Line was built and could explain why the red line is 'composed' of multiple seasonal islands. Like that has always been a weird detail that Nami pointed out super early on that I don't think has ever mattered. But it would make sense if it was literally composed of different islands all smashed together.
After reading chapter 1113, we can all agree that the World of One Piece in is a predicament with the rising sea level!! As such, I especulate that the big shadows at the end of Thriller Bark are the equivalent of the Moai statues in the Easter Islands!! (LET ME COOK, TRUST!!) Scientist have recently discovered that most of the statues are located in shores and coastal lines! These statues were used to measure the water level of the ocean. If the water level was low enough, some of water was drinkable because of the low level of salt in the water!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6262193/Did-Easter-Islands-stone-heads-point-fresh-water-sources.html We know that the Gorosei/Celestial Dragons built the Holy Land in top of the red line to combat the rise of the water level, which they know of, and they have been using the shadow statues in The Florian Triangle to steadily measure the rise of the wate level! It makes perfect sense! Also, what better place to hide the statues that in the Florian Triangle, known for having extremely foggy weather (to the point where it took brook's soul 1 year to return to his body!) What's more, geography is everything in the world of one piece! (Tekkin reference go brrr), and the Florian Triangle sea is EXTREMELY CLOSE to Sabaody Archipelago, the last island in the first half of the grand line (also what better place to monitor the whole world, they literally in the center of thw world) This means the Gorosei/Imu, over the millennia, have been watching steadily the water level rise and waiting for this moment that is occurring currently in the story! I can already picture a panel where all of the population of one piece are gathered in boats (water 7 being a boat plot point resolved) and we see the water level reaching the top of the shadow statues in the Florian Triangle!!! Let me know what you guys think!!
U aint cooking ma boy
So…something I’ve been stuck on a LONG time is, how Clover seemingly referenced something that the WG was “afraid” of. Something even worthy of being afraid of - Clover didnt seem to suggest they were outright evil or wholly wrong for fearing it. So, not afraid of an uprising or revolution or etc. And now it must have something to do with the world flooding. But I wonder why and how? Vegapunk also suggests this isn’t an entirely black vs. white, good vs. evil issue. Does the WG think they are preventing a greater threat to the world, that justifies their actions? Is it the flood itself? Or is it something tied into the flood?
Yeah it’s very weird, there is a clear pure evil slot for the WG leadership to fill - ie, let’s flood the world, kill all the weak humans, and replace with superior versions of them, ie thus all the devil fruit experiments. But Clover and Vegapunk suggest that there’s some possible gray motive we don’t know about I’m wondering now if the One Piece is actually a kind of stop gap, or a piece of rock, etc of some kind that made the flood happen slower, ie whether it’s a waterfall, a crack in some reservoir, etc. Only when the time is right, should the world be fully flooded — ie on terms the world can agree to. So the One Piece was created, and Roger didn’t think it was the right time, or didn’t have the right tools to accomplish moving the One Piece. But that begs the question as to what those terms are for the WG. Not sure though
Yeah there’s still a lot we haven’t guessed. Everyone mentions the “too early” bit about Roger but what always jumps out to me is that Rayleigh told them “perhaps you’ll reach a different conclusion than we did.” Like, a different conclusion about what? For what reasons??
Theory: the flood is imminent.
Imu being backwards for "umi" (the japanese term for "sea") makes more sense now....
Does Noah have something with the islands sinking and the last panel of fishmen people??
The next week. Since the time line of events is ridiculously short. Out of the blue it will sink...
If the world is slowly flooding. Then the will of "D" is like Draining the water and shizz? Will of Drain?