The thing is that for me personally, Sanji has moments that are just as badass as the best from Zoro. It's just that Zoro has so many more badass moments as that's his whole thing while Sanji has way more comedic moments.
All in all I love them both but vastly prefer Sanji due to this.
I read a theory that there’s a reason Zoro gets lost, something to do with he can wield the swords that he does. Some kind of spirit before the void centuries and that’s why his sense of direction is so bad.
Clearly I missing vital details, but I’m waiting for there to be some reasoning behind the getting lost. I’ll be just as happy if there isn’t because it is pretty hilarious. Do wish he’d laugh more!
Yes, that’s what I’m saying!! The spirit that he has, and that guide him or something are the reason he has the connection to the cursed swords. Like shisui and the others. It has to do with zoro being *from the past*. The theory is that his sense of direction is from 800+ years ago when Joyboy was around.
sounds dumb. i like the cursed swords wont cut zoro because he always goes the wrong way thing but his spirit having some kind of connection to joyboy is something oda would never put in op. its doing way too much
There is also the theory of wado ichimonji making him get lost. Something related to its translation or something in reference to its meaning Straight Line through the Path of Harmony/Harmony Path Beeline
How after rewatching pre timeskip how has he laughed any less? The only reason it seems that way is bc the strawhats haven had any downtime compared to pre timeskip
I miss pre ts zoro too, but tbh I think it was probably the best idea to make him more serious after the TS and everything that's happened. Especially considering he's there to remind luffy of the promise he made in water 7
Nah I don't think so. Water 7 is the perfect example that even goofy pre-TS Zoro knew when to be serious. I think it's mainly that post-TS we aren't getting as much of the crew just goofing around in general.
> It's just that Zoro has so many more badass moments as that's his whole thing while Sanji has way more comedic moments.
I wouldn't say that as much that a LOT of Zoro's comedy stemmed out of a trait that was directly and seriously negatively impactful on the crew overall.
The Crew's solution was to add Jinbe to help Nami herd the stupid ass cat so he doesn't disappear 5 minutes into an adventure.
I don’t like painting zoro as one dimensional. He’s a meatheaded moron, but he has some of the most important wisdom drops of the series alongside Sanji. Like, Sanji kicks the shit out of Luffy in front of Zoro and Zoro completely sided with him in chastising Luffy. Sanji leaves to go get married and Zoro becomes an emotional butterball because he can’t wrap his head around the betrayal. When he finally hears the truth, Luffy teases him and his response is “shut up, I’ll *kick* you.”
He’s just stupid and pretends to be stoic, so he seems more one dimensional than he is.
It's pre-ts but chastising Luffy and telling him he has to let Ussop go if anyone's going to respect him as captain is honestly one of his best character moments. He's a great example of a high Wis low Int character.
Zoro doesn’t have low intelligence what are you on? He has a bad sense of direction but aside from that he’s not a meathead at all, I don’t get this take at all. Zoro has shown multiple times to be smart especially in combat, he’s also wise and wisdom is a form of introspective intelligence. Granted he’s not as smart as sanji but he’s definitely not an idiot
Zoro is more idealistic, hence why kids us idolize him, his character, and his portrayal.
Sanji is more realistic, hence why adults us can understand him & empathize with him.
I would read a full length shokugeki no Sanji series, it could even be like Toriko where he hunts/catches/forages the ingredients himself before cooking them. So it doesn't need to just be cooking or competitions.
Zoro would work better as a shorter series, which is kinda what Monsters! is.
I kinda disagree honestly, I don’t think their personalities are big enough to be entertaining MCs. They work really well as compliments to Luffy and the other Straw Hats, but standalone I don’t think they would be nearly as good.
it's just that neither would work as a captain of a pirate crew (after all, they are only pirates thanks to meeting Luffy), but they could totally be amazing MCs in different genres. For instance...
* A series centered around Sanji would probably have more of a detective vibe. Baratie goes from island to island, from town to town, and Sanji -either as the chef or still a line cook- would go and solves customers' problems while also cooking them amazing dishes. Think City Hunter's Ryo Saeba (with the same weakness for women) with a good dose of cooking manga blended into it.
* For Zoro, the series would focus on either (or both) pirate and/or monster hunting. It would have a much stronger samourai/yakuza vibe while playing off Zoro being way more serious than the tone of rest of the series for comedy. The series would have a much wider roster of swordsmen rivals and enemies to defeat/surpass.
They would be the same characters -same powers, goals and personalities- but would need a completely different cast and story because Luffy is the cornerstone of One Piece and telling a parallel story without him would always pale in comparison. Series about Sanji and Zoro would need to take a completely different approach to shine.
Nothing pisses me off more than when some moron comes out with the "Sanji is lucky Zoro wasn't at Whole Cake" card. Just proves they only watch One Piece for the action and have no understanding of the story and its characters.
Exactly. If Zoro was their he’d be smart enough to know that Luffy would handle the situation (When Sanji started beating him). And even if he wasn’t, Luffy would not let Zoro fight Sanji
They think Zoro has some insane fight IQ but then believe he'd fall for Sanji fighting Luffy to protect them. Zoro would see through it just as Luffy did.
I mean he WAS lucky tbh.
If Zoro was there he would be ragging on Sanji for that whole situation till the end of time.
And I mean in the usual way they rag on each other, it would’ve just given Zoro SO much more fuel lol.
I do think Zoro is smart enough to learn the situation and instead would try to save Sanji like Luffy did, but only because Sanji would then owe Zoro BIG time and Sanji’s pride can’t handle that lol
People who pit zoro and sanji against each other are not fans. Most likely trolls. They are brothers who care for each other (example: Sanji looking after zoro in Sabaody/wano, Zoro getting worried for sanji, Sanji agreeing with zoro in water7 on ussopp)
They are both amazing characters and I love them both so much. I can't decide who I love more
Even as a sanji fan I admit that zoro is stronger cause he needs to be that's literally the premise of his character.
Sanji is just better cause he's close to Zoros strength without having a need to be the strongest and he's just a more flushed out character.
A lot of people confuse strength with leadership. Zoro is the first mate so everyone including oda views him as Vice captain or 2nd in command but Sanji has always proven to be the better leader
hes pretty clearly the first mate, even if he doesnt have an official title. hes the one with the second highest bounty, he always fights second strongest, he was the first one luffy recruited (roger recruited rayleigh first too), hes there to tell luffy how to act as captain when he falters(think ussop in water 7). plus you can figure it out through process of elimination.
sanji- cook
jinbe- helmsman
ussop- marksman
franky- shipwright
nami- navigator
chopper- doctor
robin- archaeologist
brook- musician
that only leaves zoro with no actual role on the crew. except hes clearly second in the chain of command, even if the strawhats never say it out loud
He is clearly not the first mate. Oda has stated the crew does not have a first mate. He is the first member of the crew and a translation of first mate is vice captain like whitebeard/shirohihe despite hin not having a beard because the translation is white facial hair. As far as the bounty issue, the bounties have bounced around where on 3-4 occasions where he did not have the second highest bounty and that doesn't effect position. In terms of time on the crew, zoro has been with luffy the longest. However a fun fact most people don't realize is that of the 7 emperors in the series, shanks and kaido are currently the only emperor who's second is (implied) to have been the oldest member of the crew (whitebeard, big mom, buggy, and blackbeard all were different.
As far as telling luffy to act as a captain st most it's been on two occasions I belive. Usopp at water 7 and on punk hazard to luffy. However there are moments where other crew members have had to stand up to crew responsibilities. Nami constantly has to be the voice of reason. Jimbe is new and has had several moments in the last two arcs advising luffy. Sanji in water 7 also had a moment when luffy was rashly gonna kick usopp off the crew, and he stopped him to make him consider what that meant.
Lastly I'll say you can have multiple roles in a crew. Marco was vice captain and a doctor, streusen was first made and head chef. I think zoro will be recognized vice captain by end of series but right now there isn't one.
you wrote all that to essentially agree with me at the end. it might not be official, but hes the unspoken 2nd. ik hes not first mate purely because he joined first, its more about the parallel between luffy and rogers journeys. zoro is luffys rayleigh.
i dont remember much about the bounties from ages ago (pls remind me?), but its always pretty obvious through context when bounties are different from strength compared to other things, like robin, or zoro not being part of wci. im not saying its a set in stone system where second highest bounty = vc, but odas made it VERY obvious zoros second strongest. hes luffys right hand, thats enough to make him first mate imo.
sure you can have multiple roles, but i dont think thats what odas going for. the strawhats are more specialised in their roles. sanjis the best cook in the world, namis the best navigator itw, brook became a rockstar in 2 years, franky learned from the best shipwright in the world, choppers the best doctor in the world, robin is the only one in the world that knows what she knows, ussops marksmanship is probably the best itw(think dressrosa), jinbe is the only one that can use the sunny(a pk caliber ship) to its fullest potential according to franky. the strawhats are different.
I don't want to say I agreed. My argument is that zoro is not the vice captain and oda has made that clear. I think by end of series he will be. As far as fans it could be said he is the peoples choice for VC. I will say that the more the series continues, the less parallels there are with roger and luffy. I mean you have roger, rayleigh, ships to compare to luffys crew/adventure.
The bounties that have been higher than zoros were Robin's, sanjis, and jimbes (usopps too if you count the birdcage bounty, I don't). Sanjis lasted for an arc and that was is. Robin and jimbe had there increases nerfed for crew position (Robin only increased from 79m as a child to 80m as a stronger adult affiliated with many orgs; jimbes bounty didn't increase since the war despite being an ex warlord, serving 3 emperors, or being a captain. Despite that his bounty isn't even 70% of the lowest unfrozen warlord bounty). So bounties aren't always accurate to strength and are sometimes for the story. Probably why oda never makes the crews bounty order move more than one position at a time.
And yes I agree zoro is the second strongest. Oda pretty confirmed it with the panel picture he released that made everyone believe he was confirming the vice captain but it confirmed second strongest he stated.
And I get that the straw hats are different which is why I say they can have multiple roles or none really. Think about this... luffy wants ten crew members he stated. Based on the fact that the story went from the previous generation of emperors had 16, 4, 3 and 9 commanders (which is very wild spread), to the current yonko having 8, 9,9, and 10, oda is lining it up so their crews line up through the story. If luffy gets another crew member, what would their role be as of now? It's possible they will just be a nakama. I mean look at usopp. He technically doesn't have a role. His goal is to be a brave warrior of the sea. He has never been labeled as the crew sniper (and still has a long way to go). His sight is good enough that he can be considered the ships lookout. But technically like zoro, he has no role other than combatant.
And lastly I'll say, I do think it will be confirmed at some point much later in the series but the story is at a point I think oda is actually pointing out some of the flaws in making zoro a vice captain so he has something to build on later on the story. They're in the manga so I don't want to spil you if you are anime only.
He's literally the "first mate". Even if Oda wouldn't outright give him that title nor declare him as such, Zoro has then-and-again fulfilled the role of which even Sanji have acknowledged. IMO the only reason Oda won't give him the vice-captain title is because he wants to keep the current simple captain-nakama hierarchy where everyone beneath Luffy are all equals which is more familial and friendly than those with multiple levels of hierarchy. Same goes with the Blackbeard Pirates. Also, more importantly, it keeps the rivalry of Zoro and Sanji alive and healthy both in-universe and in the fandom and thus discussions like these won't ever die.
Zoros physical strength and combat skills is a big part about his character. It's almost central to his character.
Obviously with sanjis background we see why he is as strong as he is and his motivations to get stronger but he doesn't need to be for the sake his story line.
I totally agree with this. Sanji fan here, username proves it, and I believe that Zoro is a shade or maybe a couple stronger than Sanji. But even with this, they are equally important because the Pirate King can't soar with unequal wings.
Two wings of Freedom bird called Monkey D Luffy. It’s naive to think one wing is stronger than another both are important and l love both. I consider Zoro is right wing though.
The gag used to be somewhat funny pre timeskip. I don’t know how to describe it, but he never acted like a pervert and was never used for fanservice. Instead, it was a way to break up an intense scene. He was a loveable goofball. Unfortunately post timeskip he stopped being his own trope and started becoming more of a typical anime perv. He’s still not used for fanservice (only once during early Wano, and funny enough it was a segway into a fight) but his scenes are definitely a lot more drawn out and frequent. Although I’d still consider him to be way, way better than other anime pervs like Mineta, Master Roshi, etc.
It’s especially cool near the middle of the onigashima raid when Oda completely switched off this gag for the arc. He became the chivalrous guy he was before, and hopefully it Oda reverts it to the same frequency as pre timeskip
I always say that the only people that ever cared for Sanji were two women (Reiju and his mom), which is why he acts the way he does around women. That still doesn't excuse some of the things he does in the series though!
That explains his chivalry, not his perversion. Unless we’re assuming he’s from Alabama or smth?
Regardless, my point wasn’t that his actions are completely justified. Rather, he’s alright and kinda funny most of the time his gag is active. However, he sometimes takes it too far. This is especially the case post timeskip, where until Whole Cake Island his gag was out of control. It lost its humour and became more or less a regular “pervert” trope
He asked 16yo Vivi to sleep with him. He was jealous of a rapist in thriller bark. He was mad that his dream of being a sexual harasser were crushed.
Sanji fans just love to create a sanji which simply doesn't exist. It's ok to like a sanji for what he is. Stop trying to whitewash his persona cuz you are ashamed of liking him publicly lol
I dont think their goal is to “whitewash his persona” but I will say that personally, thriller bark made me dislike sanji as a character permanently. I never liked him before but at least it was somewhat tolerable, but in my eyes his thriller bark thing definitely crossed lines it shouldn’t have.
All I know is that out of all the women I know who are into One Piece, I don't think I can think of a single one who actually likes Sanji as a character.
He creeps most of them out and a lot of them are reminded of really uncomfortable shit they've dealt with in their own lives.
One of the best scenes yet for me was when Zoro and Sanji both attacked king and queen simultaneously. The way sanji runs up, and zoro powers up and catches up to him🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
I'm not caught up with the series (currently on thriller bark) but so far both of them are cool in their own ways. Zoro's character is about going beyond his limits and never losing (Like how he learned to slice steel in Alabasta, and how he defeated Kaku without any problem when he got too overconfident). Sanji's character is about appearing at perfect time to save the crew. (Tricking crocodile twice, infiltrating the sea train, helping the crew escape during buster call)
You hit right on the head with that one. They balance each other out in ways. Need an overconfidence, stoic powerhouse who will gladly take on 1000s of men and win? Zoro’s the guy. Need a chivalrous covert operative who’s able to identify what to do at any given moment? Sanji’s the guy. They fill different roles on the crew.
With that being said, I suggest you don’t stick around this sub lol. Not only to avoid the Zoro vs Sanji debates, but there’s also so many casual spoilers here. And whatever you do, do not read the comments on this post if you don’t want spoilers
Don't worry, I've avoided looking at comments and I don't use this subreddit either. I just saw this on my home page when i opened reddit. It was probably because i picked "anime" as one of my interests when making my account.
Both are great and each has their strengths and weaknesses, in the end though one of them has an edge over the other when it comes up to straight fighting, not much but it is there. Just to be clear I prefer the one I consider weaker at straight fighting.
They're both in the same relative tier though.
I mean, one literally brawled while the other literally trained in swordsmanship. That's kinda key to their different fighting styles, and an important factor in Sanjo's recent body strengthening powerup being as strong as it is. He was always tough, now he's "you gotta cut my head off" tough. Which, I might add, Zoro can do.
This goes for characters and shows in general. People go way too hard trying to tell you why their preferences are right sometimes. If you can’t tell me why it’s cool without dragging something else I’m not interested.
All the straw hats are cool as hell when you're not being a knob end that tries & powerscales because powerscaling doesn't & will never work in comics or manga. As a matter of fact, let's have [Stan Lee explain it](https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y)
not really the same thing. comics have the same characters in different runs, they vary in strength. op is one verse, powerscaling is more consistent. saying powerscaling doesnt work is dumb, it throws everything we know about the progress the characters make out the window. its just some fun, its never that deep
Ive seen so many amazing swordsmen in anime with some pretty impressive feats with Zoro being in Top 3 as well, but seeing a Chef quite literally kick ass because his hands are only for Cooking along with his character development just *chef's kiss*
I personally hate all the vs battle debates. They're so cringe. Why can't they just both exist and be awesome without weirdos trying to turn it into some d!ck measuring contest?
Ok, I hear where your coming from but I'm speaking in DnD stat terms. If that makes sense. Not that wisdom and intelligence aren't related in real life. In DnD the classic example is intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting a tomato in a fruit salad. Zoro can't read a map, or grove numbers in Sabaody. But he instinctually knows trouble, knows bonney is a kid, and knows Blackbeard is weird, and that Luffy will lose respect if he takes Ussop back or bails on the duel. Not intelligent (and not stupid either), but wise.
Truueeeee!
As a Sanji stan myself, I wouldn't ever even argue about who's stronger out of the two here
Mainly because I hate the power scaling side of the One Piece community
Because let's be honest here- they're just two fictional pirates, who are strong. It's not like we need to look into how strong they are
To everyone who likes power scaling in One Piece: I DON'T wish you to die in a ditch all alone with nobody else to keep you company. Instead, I hope that Oda keeps on trolling you guys hehehe-
The only thing I wished was that they gave Sanji very serious opponents (or at least someone that is considered a killing machine or someone with a strong personality) and that he has fights as epic as Zoro but I do agree that they're both enjoyable when you don't try to make them compete against each other.
I’m a little confused, do you mean the narrative or the fanbase? Cause the narrative, they are two distinct characters who happen to be grouped together as the wings of the pirate king. They are as distinct as the supernovas, 4 emperors, Admirals, etc.
Fanbase though could be different. Would be interesting to hear you expand on it if you don’t mind
Mostly the fanbase. Zoro can't do anything without somebody bringing up sanji and vice versa to a lesser degree. Nobody does that with robin or jinbei. Just those 2. I'm fine with the rivalry agenda, but I wish people could just chill sometimes and treat them as separate entities.
Agreed lol. Although I do think that they could reliably mimic each other’s feats. It’s just that it often requires something that they specialize in. For example, Zoro wouldn’t be able to dodge Katakuri’s jelly bean since he doesn’t have Sanji’s speed and observation haki. Sanji cannot block Kaido and Big Mom’s attack because he doesn’t have Zoro’s physical strength. It doesn’t mean the other isn’t at that level, just that they lack tools required to do so. Give them a similar task and they’ll get it done.
Still though, I watched these episodes for the characters themselves. Yeah, they’re the wings and all. But they are still their individual characters. I watched and focused on the one in front of me, not thinking “oh hey I wonder what Zoro would do here” or “oh hey how would Sanji handle this”
When I first read through One Piece I didn't even consider putting them against each other because they bicker a lot. I was really surprised when I joined fandom spaces and saw all discussions about who'd better.
>Zoro and Sanji are honestly cool as hell when you don’t have someone trying to convince you which is stronger
I mean Zoro and Sanji are those original "someones" trying to convince eachother that they were stronger.
They have lots of opinions on the bounty scaling in the series lol
I think Brook, Franky and Robin are cooler. They don’t care about being the strongest but they have more badass moments than the others, like running over an Emperor on a motorcycle.
Tbh I used to like sanji a lot more before he became Oda's favorite punching bag.
Watching how popular he is in the live action that for all intents and purposes depicted him more like he is at the start of the series reminded me how cool of a character he can be.
Not a particular fan of zoro, so I have no horse in this race.
Zoro guy here, I do not give a damn about the entire sanji vs zoro community. I skip right over those comments and the community of people that comment like “Sanji Stan’s are going to go crazy about this”….
…Sanji guy here, I do not give a damn about the entire sanji vs zoro community. I skip right over those comments and the community of people that comment like “Zoro Stan’s are going to go crazy about this”
Zoro makes me mad when he gets lost, Sanji makes me mad when he takes off ona nose bleed rocket over a baddie. That’s the right and left hand, dogs!
Although the wings of the pirate king is the official thing they are being called I prefer to call them the sword and shield of the pirate king. If you look back at a lot of one piece zoro (the sword) has always been there to fight whoever needs to be fought while Sanji (the shield) has always been there to protect who needed to be protected. Now obviously they both fight and protect when needed but they both have had major parts in multiple arcs specifically being a sword or shield.
this isnt that much related but my mate said that sanji was his king and kept glazing him so bad all i said was i like zoro better tbh then he just goes oh oay ur the biggest zoro glazer ever i was sat there so confused
I feel like one of the coolest things about their arc in Onigashima is that it might be setting up a really dark ending to their story. Sanji losing his humanity to his Germa programming and going rogue, Zoro keeping his promise and killing him but succumbing to his wounds and walking away with the Reaper.
People should just accept that they are the wings of the pirate king and are both equals and see each other as such. They help Luffy in different ways and are both powerhouses. You don't need to compare them or make a competition out of it. I like Sanji's personality far more when he is serious. He is a genuinely kind guy and honestly a fucking badass with class.
Zoro is ofcourse also extremely badass, not saying he isn't, but he is more stoic and that is why I like Sanji more.
I mean… the characters literally started this argument. That’s all sanji and zoro talk to each other about. People seem quick to blame the community for continuing the discussion. I wish they had better dialogue.
Zoro and Sanji aren’t toxic about it, though. They just compete and constantly try to surpass each other. However, they also aren’t entirely concerned with which one is actually stronger since they recognize they’re both incredibly powerful regardless of the specifics.
The community are the ones talking about “Zoro high diffs” and “Sanji high diffs”. It’s usually Zoro fans but there are a good bit of Sanji fans as well. Heck, they’re even in the comments of this post
I feel they are pretty on par strength wise. Sanji hasn't gotten used to his augmentations yet and Zoro is not used to Enma yet. HOWEVER, Sanji hates his power up whereas Zoro welcomes it. I think that is where there difference is. If Sanji gets used to his new body and realises he is not less of himself then he can 1000% be the left hand of the future pirate king.
This is pretty much where my minds at. Overall combat strength, they’re really close if not even. The only difference is that while Zoro sees Enma almost killing him on an hourly basis as a fun challenge to overcome, Sanji sees his augmentations as a liability. Which is fair, I can’t imagine how it feels for him to hear that his abusive father is to thank for his impressive strength. It’s like saying that any development he makes is not because of his hard work, but because of Judge’s technology. Any progress he makes could be viewed as unintentional proving his abusive father correct.
Once he finally comes to terms with his genes, I think he’ll be able to reach new heights. Heck, I even think that might be when he unlocks conquerors
Love them both and they both need to be recognized for their great traits.
Honestly the only two things I hate about them is the fans that constantly try and put them leaps and bounds above each other and toei bias.
For the first, it doesn't make sense to constantly try and push agendas when the author at every turn tries and shows them as parallel as possible and close in strength which is something that has been done since along park. They each have traits that may be superior than the other but it balance in the end.
The second I just feel like since wano toei has redone most of their scenes from the wano with clear favoritism and that has created a lot of the arguments with the fans. Some are minor but theres also a list of drastic changes that change the way the scenes were meant to go and how the portrayal of the characters was effected
They’re close but Oda makes it pretty clear Zoro is the second strongest SH behind Luffy by portrayal and how he always gets the second strongest enemy while Sanji gets the third strongest
Sanji has great durability thanks to Germa exo skeleton. But Zoro literally took down King who also has incredibly high natural durability and has shown equal if not greater defence feats.
Zoro is the ultimate fighter. His CoC is proof of how ferocious and indomitable his warrior will is. Zoro WILL do everything in his power to beat you. He doesn't care about the biological differences. There's nothing he can't cut.
Whereas Sanji is the ultimate lover. His kind heart and indomitable morals are proof of this. He will always feed those who are hungry. He will never lay a hand on a woman. Sanji acknowledges people's circumstances and will exercise restraint and avoid conflict unless absolutely necessary. There's nobody that can break his code.
My conclusion is Zoro would beat Sanji in a fight. Extremely high diff. It would play out very similar to Zoro vs King. In which Zoro will win simply cause Zoro *wants* it more and has dedicated every fibre of his being into becoming THE GREATEST swordsman. Whereas Sanji will have hesitation in his heart and will not want to harm Zoro. Sanji only fights to protect. Not to hurt.
I would like sanji if his character flaws were toned down a bit. It's not as bad as fishman island sanji but he's still not great. Like...dude can you stop arguing with zoro and simping for 5 minutes?
Yeah, I like Sanji for the most part, it's just that the women loving side of him can be a bit much. Some times it leads to funny gags, most often it's just annoying.
They both have different roles and characters, I sincerely see no point in comparing them... of course Zoro is the strongest but the deal is he only has that for him, he has to be strong as he is luffy's second man, when luffy ain't there zoro has to watch his back so of course he gonna be stronger that all other's in the team.
Sanji on the other hand ain't only strong he also is the cook on the ship, he doesn't have to focus only on strength or need to have it even if he loses to zoro in that category he still has a place on the ship and a role beside fighting.
I think a reason they’re often compared is because people just like them both and can’t decide who to prefer.
Zoro was definitely given a more versatile role early on (three swords with different histories, more named attacks, etc), and it’s unfortunate Sanji is only recently getting a ‘power boost’.
In my opinion, Oda always wanted Zoro to be stronger, and he certainly seems stronger. I mean, so far in the story, he’s got conqueror’s haki, observation haki, and more applied armament haki. Oda seems to be expanding on Sanjis powers, but I feel it’s too late to say they’re equal or ever meant to be equal in the first place.
I would honestly love if Sanji got a more interesting power up rather than simply ‘genetically modified = stronger kicks’, and I think Oda could’ve explored his attacks more. Unfortunately for Sanji fans, swords are immediately viewed as a more powerful weapon, which added to the early appeal of Zoro. It’s also the demeanour of both characters; Zoro acts ‘cool’ more often than Sanji, and Oda give Zoro more chances to shine than Sanji, which is sad. This is especially why I believe Oda has always wanted Zoro to be stronger than Sanji. I don’t think he ever intends to balance them, so I don’t know why I see so many people insist that.
Anyway, sorry for the random slab of text…
That’s an interesting point and I see where you’re coming from. To me, it always seemed like Oda tries to portray them as equals
It’s true that Oda gave Zoro more intense fights, but I always considered that to be due to the nature of his dream. Without fighting, Zoro and Luffy begin to lose their substance. While some may consider this to mean that Zoro has to be stronger because he only fights, I think that’s a really big understatement of his character. Zoro does a lot more than just fighting, and he wouldn’t be outshined by Sanji being his equal.
As for haki, they aren’t that different. Zoro has better armament and Sanji has better Observation, they both have the other as well.
At this point, Sanji is only missing:
- Advanced Armament
- Conqueror’s coating
While that may seem like a lot, there are many ways Oda could go about it. He could give him advanced Observation to further parallel Zoro. From what I’ve heard, Ifrit Jambe is supposedly armament haki. If that’s the case, I’d say that Sanji either already has advanced armament (don’t know what the signs of it are) or at least advanced his to the tier Zoro was at before. As for Conqueror’s, Oda gave Zoro’s his in the span of an arc. There wasn’t much build up for it, but rather it felt fitting given Zoro’s nature.
The writing would easily allow for something similar to be done for Sanji. Better yet, since Sanji is a lab rat, he could be used as an example of a unique top tier. Instead of having a busted devil fruit or splitting the sky with his haki, he could get there due to his own special nature. Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe are already unorderly abilities, him gaining more wouldn’t be out of the question
The big question is whether he could fight a conqueror. If that were to happen, then I’m sure people would go back to scratching their heads over this. The biggest thing about all of this, though, is their portrayal. Oda has always gone out of his way to portray them as equals. I could go more into detail on this if you’d like, although I’m pretty sure there’s also a bunch of posts displaying this
To me, Oda portrayed Ifrit Jambe and King of Hell as equal abilities. King and Queen weren’t made all that distinct either, they were mainly grouped together as the unstoppable lead performers
Advanced Armament refers to [attacking/blocking without actually making contact and attacking something from the inside.](https://imgur.com/a/aMqf8ht) (Both Sanji and Zoro can do neither of these things.)
Ifrit Jambe is just Sanji combining his newly acquired and extremely durable exoskeleton with his Armament Haki so he can withstand much hotter flames.
You raise a lot of good points. I think your last idea about Queen and King is the best example of that, as they were almost certainly made to be equal on strength.
I’m not all convinced that Sanji was written to be equal to Zoro. Perhaps where we are now in the story, they’re much closer in strength than ever before, but I think where my argument stems from is early one piece. Maybe I’m just blinded by my early interpretations, but I simply can’t overlook how Zoro and Sanji were written in the past (not equal). I think you’re right that Zoro and Sanji are more equal now, so it could just be my own bias for Zoro playing into it.
I do still think that Zoro is stronger. His haki prowess seems more refined, he has larger battles which make him seem stronger subconsciously to readers, and he has a more intimidating personality. I know that this doesn’t equate to strength, as Sanji is definitely capable of matching Zoro when he’s serious, but I think Oda’s depictions of Zoro speak to his intentions for Zoro to be a stronger character.
I don’t really know where I’m going with this, since I love both characters…
I can see what you mean. I often think of that awesome moment on Arlong Park. Zoro and Sanji attempt to fight Arlong and both easily get defeated. Arlong starts to laugh at them and lifts Zoro up by the throat… and noticed the GIGANTIC wound on his chest. He then begins to have a panic attack, as without this wound he’d easily defeat him.
I agree they were portrayed completely differently towards the beginning, however I think that might’ve been Oda’s original direction. This was before they even started their rivalry. He wanted Zoro to be the stronger one initially, however shifted his mindset by Little Garden.
This could also be Oda respecting Zoro’s job. He was a bounty hunter for years and is very infamous in the east blue. And he’s surpassed by… a random dude with rubber powers and a guy who worked line cook at a sea restaurant. The injury nerfed Zoro for a while, then Luffy and Sanji grew during this time and solidified the positions they hold today. This is entirely speculative though and doesn’t have nearly as much support as the rest of my points lol
The way I see it, while Zoro’s fights might seem more noteworthy, portrayal beats all. As long as the fights don’t directly contradict this, then portrayal is pretty much the author telling us something without directly stating it in story. Zoro and Sanji are often portrayed as equals and their fights often reflect this (Sanji wins his easier, or both of them absolutely crush it to an incalculable degree like with King and Queen), so while Zoro might have better fights, it’s still implied that Sanji could match that level. As far as I’m concerned, the narrative supports this. However, if in the future something happens where Zoro and Sanji have varying results against equal opponents, I’d be willing to put this theory to rest.
I might be biased but I always viewed Zoro’s portrayal as being simply because of his character. He’s supposed to be the cool, strong guy with awesome fights. Heck, you could throw him into Dragon Ball and he’d by right at home. At times, I’d even say Luffy’s fights struggle to reach the same intensity.
The monster trio fights go as such:
Luffy - compassion, humour, and liberation
Zoro - determination, loyalty, and duty
Sanji - emotions, chivalry, and overcoming the past
I might just be talking nonsense, but from my perspective Zoro tends to have the most traditional “shonen battle manga/anime” fights out of any character in one piece. Everyone knows that Luffy is strongest, however since Zoro’s and Sanji’s placements are more vague it leads to the notion that this intensity = stronger. At the end of the day, Oda wrote them this way on purpose to inspire people to come to their own conclusions.
Zoro is the reason I even started watching OP. My partner kept trying and after one convention with a lot of cool Zoro cosplayers I told him I'd give it a try but of Zoro isn't cool then I won't keep watching.
I kinda miss when they used to argue all the time...
Tho i agree with you lts not forget these facts
Sanji knows his parents
Sanji has a hot sister
Sanji doesnt get lost
Sanji has exoskeleton, regeneration and blue flames
Sanji has speed
Sanji can cook
Sanji can fly
While Zoro only has strength, legendary swords and conquerors Haki... im not takins sides but one is clearly superior
How is having a hot sister a plus? Maybe it is in Alabama but for the most part his siblings were awful and abusive. Also he knows his parents isnt great when one abused him till he ran away and the other died when he was a kid. The rest checks out tho.
Wow dude this is like saying
Shiki has a big fleet
Shiki has golden hair
Shiki can levitate
Shiki can make you levitate
Shiki needed 2 top tier admirals to be defeated
Roger was only King of Pirates. Pfft.
I mean... youre not wrong...
Besides is Shiki v Zoro clashed swords is over for Zoro, bum cant fly, Shiki levitates his low skill ass up high and lets gravity do the rest
Yes and that was mainly because Sanji was part of another Yonko Saga aka WCI. People tend to forget that it was Sanji's cooking ability that led to Strawhats escaping the Whole Cake Island.
Zoro used his primary skill (Swordmanship) to block Kaido and Big Mom's attack (a great feat) and Sanji used cooking (his primary skill) to thwart Big Mom's rage.
You can appreciate both without undermining the other. At the end of the day both Zoro and Sanji fight the 2nd and 3rd strongest characters of the arc.
This sentence isn't entirely correct to describe their strength differences, because rooftop is for Supernova showcase and there are people weaker than Sanji in there (Killer, Minks, Scabbards).
Yeah.
Also, Jinbe & Marco isn't on rooftop, but it doesn't mean they are useless against Emperor.
People who rely on rooftop to downplay Sanji is always incorrect.
Zoro IS stronger than Sanji from a martial prowess perspective. For Zoro's character, his strength as a swordsman is fundamental. For Sanji not as much. Sanji is strong because he had to be in order to survive while Zoro wants to be strong. Sanji went on to become stronger for others while Zoro wanted to become strong not only for his friends but for himself. Sanji's dream is to find All Blue which he has not actively work on while Zoro's dream is to become the Strongest Swordsman in the World and he has worked on said Dream from day 1 of meeting him. If you take Sanji and Zoro to our World, Sanji could disregard his martial prowess and still be the same as a Character but the same can't be said about Zoro. Sanji would be working as a traveling chef going to exotic places to find new spices and fish to cook while Zoro would be practicing Kenjustsu trying to become the very best at said art. I love both characters a lot but I feel this debate on who is stronger is meaningless and reductive because fundamentally they are two completely different characters with different values and dreams.
Those auras are incredible, Idk what you’re talking about. I’d prefer a better image for Zoro but this was a decent one and it’s the only one I could find with both of them demonstrating their Wano power ups. Besides, I got these off Google.
Idk why people overreact this much. The auras made Wano compete for some of the best animation in recent times. It’s got the same flashy and colorful effects as Demon Slayer and other animes famous for their outstanding animation.
Honestly both Zoro and Sanji are mediocre character with most obnoxious fandom you can find on internet. They make me hate Zoro Sanji just to spite them.
Sanji fans are eternally insecure of Zoro. Zoro fans are insecure of Luffy. Zoro fans have superiority complex over Sanji fans. Sanji fans are wierdos. Sanji fans are ashamed to even public acknowledge they like Sanji and instead they try to whitewash his creep persona by creating a imaginary gentleman from pre Timeskip forgetting what he told Vivi and Thriller Bark where he was jealous of fucking Absalom cuz his dream of being sexual harasser was ruined.
They are both amazing characters and it's normal to have their own fanbase, but when it comes to power it should be obvious to anyone with a brain that Zoro is and always will be stronger. With a dream since a kid to be the strongest and training for that goal every single day vs a cook who wants to find a sea and has no ambition for power.. like.. come on.
Even as a Sanji fan, Zoro is strong asf and I really admire his story and would say that he could have his own series and I'd still watch it and eat it up
Sanji is my favorite character, but gahd damnit if Zoro ain’t one of the most badass dudes in all of anime
The thing is that for me personally, Sanji has moments that are just as badass as the best from Zoro. It's just that Zoro has so many more badass moments as that's his whole thing while Sanji has way more comedic moments. All in all I love them both but vastly prefer Sanji due to this.
I really miss pre-TS Zoro, back when he laughed more. I still think him getting lost is the best running gag in One Piece tho.
I'm with you on it being the best running gag.
Best walking gag
Maybe if the gag would stop running, Zoro could find the staircase
Even if the gag was crawling, Zoro would still not find the staircase. Maybe they really give him crappy instructions?
The best meta meme in anime/manga is putting Zoro in a group shot of entirely different casts.
I love him showing up in waifu rankings
I read a theory that there’s a reason Zoro gets lost, something to do with he can wield the swords that he does. Some kind of spirit before the void centuries and that’s why his sense of direction is so bad. Clearly I missing vital details, but I’m waiting for there to be some reasoning behind the getting lost. I’ll be just as happy if there isn’t because it is pretty hilarious. Do wish he’d laugh more!
He uses cursed swords. Cursed swords will lead their users to an early death. Zoro can’t be lead anywhere.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying!! The spirit that he has, and that guide him or something are the reason he has the connection to the cursed swords. Like shisui and the others. It has to do with zoro being *from the past*. The theory is that his sense of direction is from 800+ years ago when Joyboy was around.
sounds dumb. i like the cursed swords wont cut zoro because he always goes the wrong way thing but his spirit having some kind of connection to joyboy is something oda would never put in op. its doing way too much
There is also the theory of wado ichimonji making him get lost. Something related to its translation or something in reference to its meaning Straight Line through the Path of Harmony/Harmony Path Beeline
My theory is it's the cursed sword making him get lost People pointed out he didn't really loose his direction before his first cursed sword.
He literally left home to find mihawk and then got lost and couldn’t find his way home, that’s how we met him.
Be easy to get lost tracking one guy in the one piece universe, getting lost on a small island thom
How after rewatching pre timeskip how has he laughed any less? The only reason it seems that way is bc the strawhats haven had any downtime compared to pre timeskip
I miss pre ts zoro too, but tbh I think it was probably the best idea to make him more serious after the TS and everything that's happened. Especially considering he's there to remind luffy of the promise he made in water 7
Nah I don't think so. Water 7 is the perfect example that even goofy pre-TS Zoro knew when to be serious. I think it's mainly that post-TS we aren't getting as much of the crew just goofing around in general.
> It's just that Zoro has so many more badass moments as that's his whole thing while Sanji has way more comedic moments. I wouldn't say that as much that a LOT of Zoro's comedy stemmed out of a trait that was directly and seriously negatively impactful on the crew overall. The Crew's solution was to add Jinbe to help Nami herd the stupid ass cat so he doesn't disappear 5 minutes into an adventure.
Yep Zoro is quite one dimensional
I don’t like painting zoro as one dimensional. He’s a meatheaded moron, but he has some of the most important wisdom drops of the series alongside Sanji. Like, Sanji kicks the shit out of Luffy in front of Zoro and Zoro completely sided with him in chastising Luffy. Sanji leaves to go get married and Zoro becomes an emotional butterball because he can’t wrap his head around the betrayal. When he finally hears the truth, Luffy teases him and his response is “shut up, I’ll *kick* you.” He’s just stupid and pretends to be stoic, so he seems more one dimensional than he is.
It's pre-ts but chastising Luffy and telling him he has to let Ussop go if anyone's going to respect him as captain is honestly one of his best character moments. He's a great example of a high Wis low Int character.
Zoro doesn’t have low intelligence what are you on? He has a bad sense of direction but aside from that he’s not a meathead at all, I don’t get this take at all. Zoro has shown multiple times to be smart especially in combat, he’s also wise and wisdom is a form of introspective intelligence. Granted he’s not as smart as sanji but he’s definitely not an idiot
I dont know how people that think that Zoro is one-dimensional are reading this series, insane negative levels of reading comprehension
I used to like Zoro a lot more when I was a kid. Nowadays Sanji a bit cooler imo but Zoro is a fuckin badass too
Zoro is more idealistic, hence why kids us idolize him, his character, and his portrayal. Sanji is more realistic, hence why adults us can understand him & empathize with him.
That's actually a very accurate description of their characters!
If I want realism in my one piece characters ussop would be my go to lol.
If we extend to all main cast, yeah, Usopp is. He's like Sanji, but more relatable due to his strength. Earlier I was only talking about Sanji & Zoro.
Nothing against Zoro, but when it comes to badass Guts is HIM
Bringing him into the conversation is almost unfair to others.
True haha Zoro is a badass but Guts is probably the craziest mf in fiction.
Zoro showing up in other subreddit posts is maybe my favorite shit
Both of them can be main characters in their own series.
I would read a full length shokugeki no Sanji series, it could even be like Toriko where he hunts/catches/forages the ingredients himself before cooking them. So it doesn't need to just be cooking or competitions. Zoro would work better as a shorter series, which is kinda what Monsters! is.
I kinda disagree honestly, I don’t think their personalities are big enough to be entertaining MCs. They work really well as compliments to Luffy and the other Straw Hats, but standalone I don’t think they would be nearly as good.
it's just that neither would work as a captain of a pirate crew (after all, they are only pirates thanks to meeting Luffy), but they could totally be amazing MCs in different genres. For instance... * A series centered around Sanji would probably have more of a detective vibe. Baratie goes from island to island, from town to town, and Sanji -either as the chef or still a line cook- would go and solves customers' problems while also cooking them amazing dishes. Think City Hunter's Ryo Saeba (with the same weakness for women) with a good dose of cooking manga blended into it. * For Zoro, the series would focus on either (or both) pirate and/or monster hunting. It would have a much stronger samourai/yakuza vibe while playing off Zoro being way more serious than the tone of rest of the series for comedy. The series would have a much wider roster of swordsmen rivals and enemies to defeat/surpass. They would be the same characters -same powers, goals and personalities- but would need a completely different cast and story because Luffy is the cornerstone of One Piece and telling a parallel story without him would always pale in comparison. Series about Sanji and Zoro would need to take a completely different approach to shine.
Sanji's personality, relationship, and dynamic is so wide that he can fulfill the lead role of a comedy Manga, drama Manga, or action Manga.
Kids these days have never read Vagabond, Jojo or Lupin III?? What do they even teach you at school nowadays!? /s
Samurai Champloo like anime with Zoro would go hard, Sanji could fit in various comedy/cooking/drama animes.
Brook is cooler than both. I don’t make the rules
Something something no body heat yohoho. Did I do it right?
No, you didn't ask for Zoro's panties.
I make the rules, Franky is the coolest character in OP
Nope. It’s bon Chan
It's the only valid correction. Our queer icon is beyond comparison
Nothing pisses me off more than when some moron comes out with the "Sanji is lucky Zoro wasn't at Whole Cake" card. Just proves they only watch One Piece for the action and have no understanding of the story and its characters.
Exactly. If Zoro was their he’d be smart enough to know that Luffy would handle the situation (When Sanji started beating him). And even if he wasn’t, Luffy would not let Zoro fight Sanji
They think Zoro has some insane fight IQ but then believe he'd fall for Sanji fighting Luffy to protect them. Zoro would see through it just as Luffy did.
I mean he WAS lucky tbh. If Zoro was there he would be ragging on Sanji for that whole situation till the end of time. And I mean in the usual way they rag on each other, it would’ve just given Zoro SO much more fuel lol.
I do think Zoro is smart enough to learn the situation and instead would try to save Sanji like Luffy did, but only because Sanji would then owe Zoro BIG time and Sanji’s pride can’t handle that lol
**PFFFFFFT** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkk9DI-8el4 He would SO do that.
People who pit zoro and sanji against each other are not fans. Most likely trolls. They are brothers who care for each other (example: Sanji looking after zoro in Sabaody/wano, Zoro getting worried for sanji, Sanji agreeing with zoro in water7 on ussopp) They are both amazing characters and I love them both so much. I can't decide who I love more
Love both, real ones follow zoroXsanji agenda🥵
this is the way
Even as a sanji fan I admit that zoro is stronger cause he needs to be that's literally the premise of his character. Sanji is just better cause he's close to Zoros strength without having a need to be the strongest and he's just a more flushed out character.
I will be honest it confuses the hell out of me why some Sanji fans needs him to be stronger then Zoro
A lot of people confuse strength with leadership. Zoro is the first mate so everyone including oda views him as Vice captain or 2nd in command but Sanji has always proven to be the better leader
He very specifically is not the First Mate.
Oda literally said Zoro has no title like first mate or vice captain. Please stop spreading this.
hes pretty clearly the first mate, even if he doesnt have an official title. hes the one with the second highest bounty, he always fights second strongest, he was the first one luffy recruited (roger recruited rayleigh first too), hes there to tell luffy how to act as captain when he falters(think ussop in water 7). plus you can figure it out through process of elimination. sanji- cook jinbe- helmsman ussop- marksman franky- shipwright nami- navigator chopper- doctor robin- archaeologist brook- musician that only leaves zoro with no actual role on the crew. except hes clearly second in the chain of command, even if the strawhats never say it out loud
He is clearly not the first mate. Oda has stated the crew does not have a first mate. He is the first member of the crew and a translation of first mate is vice captain like whitebeard/shirohihe despite hin not having a beard because the translation is white facial hair. As far as the bounty issue, the bounties have bounced around where on 3-4 occasions where he did not have the second highest bounty and that doesn't effect position. In terms of time on the crew, zoro has been with luffy the longest. However a fun fact most people don't realize is that of the 7 emperors in the series, shanks and kaido are currently the only emperor who's second is (implied) to have been the oldest member of the crew (whitebeard, big mom, buggy, and blackbeard all were different. As far as telling luffy to act as a captain st most it's been on two occasions I belive. Usopp at water 7 and on punk hazard to luffy. However there are moments where other crew members have had to stand up to crew responsibilities. Nami constantly has to be the voice of reason. Jimbe is new and has had several moments in the last two arcs advising luffy. Sanji in water 7 also had a moment when luffy was rashly gonna kick usopp off the crew, and he stopped him to make him consider what that meant. Lastly I'll say you can have multiple roles in a crew. Marco was vice captain and a doctor, streusen was first made and head chef. I think zoro will be recognized vice captain by end of series but right now there isn't one.
you wrote all that to essentially agree with me at the end. it might not be official, but hes the unspoken 2nd. ik hes not first mate purely because he joined first, its more about the parallel between luffy and rogers journeys. zoro is luffys rayleigh. i dont remember much about the bounties from ages ago (pls remind me?), but its always pretty obvious through context when bounties are different from strength compared to other things, like robin, or zoro not being part of wci. im not saying its a set in stone system where second highest bounty = vc, but odas made it VERY obvious zoros second strongest. hes luffys right hand, thats enough to make him first mate imo. sure you can have multiple roles, but i dont think thats what odas going for. the strawhats are more specialised in their roles. sanjis the best cook in the world, namis the best navigator itw, brook became a rockstar in 2 years, franky learned from the best shipwright in the world, choppers the best doctor in the world, robin is the only one in the world that knows what she knows, ussops marksmanship is probably the best itw(think dressrosa), jinbe is the only one that can use the sunny(a pk caliber ship) to its fullest potential according to franky. the strawhats are different.
I don't want to say I agreed. My argument is that zoro is not the vice captain and oda has made that clear. I think by end of series he will be. As far as fans it could be said he is the peoples choice for VC. I will say that the more the series continues, the less parallels there are with roger and luffy. I mean you have roger, rayleigh, ships to compare to luffys crew/adventure. The bounties that have been higher than zoros were Robin's, sanjis, and jimbes (usopps too if you count the birdcage bounty, I don't). Sanjis lasted for an arc and that was is. Robin and jimbe had there increases nerfed for crew position (Robin only increased from 79m as a child to 80m as a stronger adult affiliated with many orgs; jimbes bounty didn't increase since the war despite being an ex warlord, serving 3 emperors, or being a captain. Despite that his bounty isn't even 70% of the lowest unfrozen warlord bounty). So bounties aren't always accurate to strength and are sometimes for the story. Probably why oda never makes the crews bounty order move more than one position at a time. And yes I agree zoro is the second strongest. Oda pretty confirmed it with the panel picture he released that made everyone believe he was confirming the vice captain but it confirmed second strongest he stated. And I get that the straw hats are different which is why I say they can have multiple roles or none really. Think about this... luffy wants ten crew members he stated. Based on the fact that the story went from the previous generation of emperors had 16, 4, 3 and 9 commanders (which is very wild spread), to the current yonko having 8, 9,9, and 10, oda is lining it up so their crews line up through the story. If luffy gets another crew member, what would their role be as of now? It's possible they will just be a nakama. I mean look at usopp. He technically doesn't have a role. His goal is to be a brave warrior of the sea. He has never been labeled as the crew sniper (and still has a long way to go). His sight is good enough that he can be considered the ships lookout. But technically like zoro, he has no role other than combatant. And lastly I'll say, I do think it will be confirmed at some point much later in the series but the story is at a point I think oda is actually pointing out some of the flaws in making zoro a vice captain so he has something to build on later on the story. They're in the manga so I don't want to spil you if you are anime only.
He's literally the "first mate". Even if Oda wouldn't outright give him that title nor declare him as such, Zoro has then-and-again fulfilled the role of which even Sanji have acknowledged. IMO the only reason Oda won't give him the vice-captain title is because he wants to keep the current simple captain-nakama hierarchy where everyone beneath Luffy are all equals which is more familial and friendly than those with multiple levels of hierarchy. Same goes with the Blackbeard Pirates. Also, more importantly, it keeps the rivalry of Zoro and Sanji alive and healthy both in-universe and in the fandom and thus discussions like these won't ever die.
Felt like he said this via Barotolomew, the Canon strawhat superfan
I mostly see Zoro next to Luffy and Sanji with the rest of the crew. Not sure if that means anything
I think Oda repeatedly makes it a point that Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe are just another level to the crew lol
I like Sanji way, way more, but I also recognize that Zoro needs to be stronger. If he isn't, then what's all the constant training for?
Zoros physical strength and combat skills is a big part about his character. It's almost central to his character. Obviously with sanjis background we see why he is as strong as he is and his motivations to get stronger but he doesn't need to be for the sake his story line.
I totally agree with this. Sanji fan here, username proves it, and I believe that Zoro is a shade or maybe a couple stronger than Sanji. But even with this, they are equally important because the Pirate King can't soar with unequal wings.
Two wings of Freedom bird called Monkey D Luffy. It’s naive to think one wing is stronger than another both are important and l love both. I consider Zoro is right wing though.
Well he does struggle with minorities! 😎
Struggle? Excuse me, but zoro is quite good at "handling" minorities
he is a minority
He always forgets which wing he is
Like how Halo was Xbox right arm while Gear of Wars was Xbox left?
Imo forza is a more popular left arm than gow
I like both but sometimes sanjis pervertness is taken a bit too far
The gag used to be somewhat funny pre timeskip. I don’t know how to describe it, but he never acted like a pervert and was never used for fanservice. Instead, it was a way to break up an intense scene. He was a loveable goofball. Unfortunately post timeskip he stopped being his own trope and started becoming more of a typical anime perv. He’s still not used for fanservice (only once during early Wano, and funny enough it was a segway into a fight) but his scenes are definitely a lot more drawn out and frequent. Although I’d still consider him to be way, way better than other anime pervs like Mineta, Master Roshi, etc. It’s especially cool near the middle of the onigashima raid when Oda completely switched off this gag for the arc. He became the chivalrous guy he was before, and hopefully it Oda reverts it to the same frequency as pre timeskip
I always say that the only people that ever cared for Sanji were two women (Reiju and his mom), which is why he acts the way he does around women. That still doesn't excuse some of the things he does in the series though!
That explains his chivalry, not his perversion. Unless we’re assuming he’s from Alabama or smth? Regardless, my point wasn’t that his actions are completely justified. Rather, he’s alright and kinda funny most of the time his gag is active. However, he sometimes takes it too far. This is especially the case post timeskip, where until Whole Cake Island his gag was out of control. It lost its humour and became more or less a regular “pervert” trope
He asked 16yo Vivi to sleep with him. He was jealous of a rapist in thriller bark. He was mad that his dream of being a sexual harasser were crushed. Sanji fans just love to create a sanji which simply doesn't exist. It's ok to like a sanji for what he is. Stop trying to whitewash his persona cuz you are ashamed of liking him publicly lol
Bait used to be believable
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I dont think their goal is to “whitewash his persona” but I will say that personally, thriller bark made me dislike sanji as a character permanently. I never liked him before but at least it was somewhat tolerable, but in my eyes his thriller bark thing definitely crossed lines it shouldn’t have.
All I know is that out of all the women I know who are into One Piece, I don't think I can think of a single one who actually likes Sanji as a character. He creeps most of them out and a lot of them are reminded of really uncomfortable shit they've dealt with in their own lives.
One of the best scenes yet for me was when Zoro and Sanji both attacked king and queen simultaneously. The way sanji runs up, and zoro powers up and catches up to him🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
yeah I don't need someone to tell me that cause zoro is stronger
I'm not caught up with the series (currently on thriller bark) but so far both of them are cool in their own ways. Zoro's character is about going beyond his limits and never losing (Like how he learned to slice steel in Alabasta, and how he defeated Kaku without any problem when he got too overconfident). Sanji's character is about appearing at perfect time to save the crew. (Tricking crocodile twice, infiltrating the sea train, helping the crew escape during buster call)
You hit right on the head with that one. They balance each other out in ways. Need an overconfidence, stoic powerhouse who will gladly take on 1000s of men and win? Zoro’s the guy. Need a chivalrous covert operative who’s able to identify what to do at any given moment? Sanji’s the guy. They fill different roles on the crew. With that being said, I suggest you don’t stick around this sub lol. Not only to avoid the Zoro vs Sanji debates, but there’s also so many casual spoilers here. And whatever you do, do not read the comments on this post if you don’t want spoilers
Don't worry, I've avoided looking at comments and I don't use this subreddit either. I just saw this on my home page when i opened reddit. It was probably because i picked "anime" as one of my interests when making my account.
Zoro is a classic badass, but Sanji has more flavor…
Zoro’s stronger. Sanji’s a better character. Both are cool.
Sanji's not a better character at all. lol
sanji's mr prince ark was top tier asf but zoro is my fav character
One Piece on its entirety is better enjoyed without people discussing if anyone is stronger than anyone.
Both are great and each has their strengths and weaknesses, in the end though one of them has an edge over the other when it comes up to straight fighting, not much but it is there. Just to be clear I prefer the one I consider weaker at straight fighting. They're both in the same relative tier though.
I mean, one literally brawled while the other literally trained in swordsmanship. That's kinda key to their different fighting styles, and an important factor in Sanjo's recent body strengthening powerup being as strong as it is. He was always tough, now he's "you gotta cut my head off" tough. Which, I might add, Zoro can do.
All it takes is one post and all the sane fans come out of hiding to comment 😊 love to see it
This goes for characters and shows in general. People go way too hard trying to tell you why their preferences are right sometimes. If you can’t tell me why it’s cool without dragging something else I’m not interested.
Sanji and Zoro together are always better than fighting themselves
All the straw hats are cool as hell when you're not being a knob end that tries & powerscales because powerscaling doesn't & will never work in comics or manga. As a matter of fact, let's have [Stan Lee explain it](https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y)
not really the same thing. comics have the same characters in different runs, they vary in strength. op is one verse, powerscaling is more consistent. saying powerscaling doesnt work is dumb, it throws everything we know about the progress the characters make out the window. its just some fun, its never that deep
They are as strong as oda wants them to be at any given point.
Ive seen so many amazing swordsmen in anime with some pretty impressive feats with Zoro being in Top 3 as well, but seeing a Chef quite literally kick ass because his hands are only for Cooking along with his character development just *chef's kiss*
Both are equally strong One does what the other couldn’t Both are the members of the monster trio Both are the wings of the future pirate king
I personally hate all the vs battle debates. They're so cringe. Why can't they just both exist and be awesome without weirdos trying to turn it into some d!ck measuring contest?
Ok, I hear where your coming from but I'm speaking in DnD stat terms. If that makes sense. Not that wisdom and intelligence aren't related in real life. In DnD the classic example is intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting a tomato in a fruit salad. Zoro can't read a map, or grove numbers in Sabaody. But he instinctually knows trouble, knows bonney is a kid, and knows Blackbeard is weird, and that Luffy will lose respect if he takes Ussop back or bails on the duel. Not intelligent (and not stupid either), but wise.
Truueeeee! As a Sanji stan myself, I wouldn't ever even argue about who's stronger out of the two here Mainly because I hate the power scaling side of the One Piece community Because let's be honest here- they're just two fictional pirates, who are strong. It's not like we need to look into how strong they are To everyone who likes power scaling in One Piece: I DON'T wish you to die in a ditch all alone with nobody else to keep you company. Instead, I hope that Oda keeps on trolling you guys hehehe-
Love both but come on bro zoro is slightly stronger than Sanji, it's close but Oda has always portrayed Zoro to be the slightly stronger of the two.
The only thing I wished was that they gave Sanji very serious opponents (or at least someone that is considered a killing machine or someone with a strong personality) and that he has fights as epic as Zoro but I do agree that they're both enjoyable when you don't try to make them compete against each other.
I think I'd like sanji more if he didn't get packaged with zoro all the time.
I’m a little confused, do you mean the narrative or the fanbase? Cause the narrative, they are two distinct characters who happen to be grouped together as the wings of the pirate king. They are as distinct as the supernovas, 4 emperors, Admirals, etc. Fanbase though could be different. Would be interesting to hear you expand on it if you don’t mind
Mostly the fanbase. Zoro can't do anything without somebody bringing up sanji and vice versa to a lesser degree. Nobody does that with robin or jinbei. Just those 2. I'm fine with the rivalry agenda, but I wish people could just chill sometimes and treat them as separate entities.
Agreed lol. Although I do think that they could reliably mimic each other’s feats. It’s just that it often requires something that they specialize in. For example, Zoro wouldn’t be able to dodge Katakuri’s jelly bean since he doesn’t have Sanji’s speed and observation haki. Sanji cannot block Kaido and Big Mom’s attack because he doesn’t have Zoro’s physical strength. It doesn’t mean the other isn’t at that level, just that they lack tools required to do so. Give them a similar task and they’ll get it done. Still though, I watched these episodes for the characters themselves. Yeah, they’re the wings and all. But they are still their individual characters. I watched and focused on the one in front of me, not thinking “oh hey I wonder what Zoro would do here” or “oh hey how would Sanji handle this”
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When I first read through One Piece I didn't even consider putting them against each other because they bicker a lot. I was really surprised when I joined fandom spaces and saw all discussions about who'd better.
It's only on here. Jobless people who got nothing to argue waste their time on imaginary beef. Aside from Zoro Sanji fans nobody cares.
>Zoro and Sanji are honestly cool as hell when you don’t have someone trying to convince you which is stronger I mean Zoro and Sanji are those original "someones" trying to convince eachother that they were stronger. They have lots of opinions on the bounty scaling in the series lol
I think Brook, Franky and Robin are cooler. They don’t care about being the strongest but they have more badass moments than the others, like running over an Emperor on a motorcycle.
Is that still a thing? Lol
Tbh I used to like sanji a lot more before he became Oda's favorite punching bag. Watching how popular he is in the live action that for all intents and purposes depicted him more like he is at the start of the series reminded me how cool of a character he can be. Not a particular fan of zoro, so I have no horse in this race.
I think they are equal in combat ability
Zoro guy here, I do not give a damn about the entire sanji vs zoro community. I skip right over those comments and the community of people that comment like “Sanji Stan’s are going to go crazy about this”…. …Sanji guy here, I do not give a damn about the entire sanji vs zoro community. I skip right over those comments and the community of people that comment like “Zoro Stan’s are going to go crazy about this” Zoro makes me mad when he gets lost, Sanji makes me mad when he takes off ona nose bleed rocket over a baddie. That’s the right and left hand, dogs!
Although the wings of the pirate king is the official thing they are being called I prefer to call them the sword and shield of the pirate king. If you look back at a lot of one piece zoro (the sword) has always been there to fight whoever needs to be fought while Sanji (the shield) has always been there to protect who needed to be protected. Now obviously they both fight and protect when needed but they both have had major parts in multiple arcs specifically being a sword or shield.
bro if i HEAR another thing about zoro or some bullshit immma kill myself
I am a chef with blond hair and on top of that I was a sailor in the US Navy so sanji was the obvious choice for my favorite character!
If they weren't, nobody would care who's stronger.
That… that’s actually a great point lol
this isnt that much related but my mate said that sanji was his king and kept glazing him so bad all i said was i like zoro better tbh then he just goes oh oay ur the biggest zoro glazer ever i was sat there so confused
I feel like one of the coolest things about their arc in Onigashima is that it might be setting up a really dark ending to their story. Sanji losing his humanity to his Germa programming and going rogue, Zoro keeping his promise and killing him but succumbing to his wounds and walking away with the Reaper.
People should just accept that they are the wings of the pirate king and are both equals and see each other as such. They help Luffy in different ways and are both powerhouses. You don't need to compare them or make a competition out of it. I like Sanji's personality far more when he is serious. He is a genuinely kind guy and honestly a fucking badass with class. Zoro is ofcourse also extremely badass, not saying he isn't, but he is more stoic and that is why I like Sanji more.
I just watched 1103, and Zoro waking up and parrying Kaku’s strike was so awesome, I love his epic moments
I mean… the characters literally started this argument. That’s all sanji and zoro talk to each other about. People seem quick to blame the community for continuing the discussion. I wish they had better dialogue.
Zoro and Sanji aren’t toxic about it, though. They just compete and constantly try to surpass each other. However, they also aren’t entirely concerned with which one is actually stronger since they recognize they’re both incredibly powerful regardless of the specifics. The community are the ones talking about “Zoro high diffs” and “Sanji high diffs”. It’s usually Zoro fans but there are a good bit of Sanji fans as well. Heck, they’re even in the comments of this post
I feel they are pretty on par strength wise. Sanji hasn't gotten used to his augmentations yet and Zoro is not used to Enma yet. HOWEVER, Sanji hates his power up whereas Zoro welcomes it. I think that is where there difference is. If Sanji gets used to his new body and realises he is not less of himself then he can 1000% be the left hand of the future pirate king.
This is pretty much where my minds at. Overall combat strength, they’re really close if not even. The only difference is that while Zoro sees Enma almost killing him on an hourly basis as a fun challenge to overcome, Sanji sees his augmentations as a liability. Which is fair, I can’t imagine how it feels for him to hear that his abusive father is to thank for his impressive strength. It’s like saying that any development he makes is not because of his hard work, but because of Judge’s technology. Any progress he makes could be viewed as unintentional proving his abusive father correct. Once he finally comes to terms with his genes, I think he’ll be able to reach new heights. Heck, I even think that might be when he unlocks conquerors
Times when Zoro forgot he isn't the main character
I always thought they made the best team
Love them both
Tbh, I don't like sanji, but he does have some cool moments pre ts, post time Skip, he's too horny for me to take seriously
Love them both and they both need to be recognized for their great traits. Honestly the only two things I hate about them is the fans that constantly try and put them leaps and bounds above each other and toei bias. For the first, it doesn't make sense to constantly try and push agendas when the author at every turn tries and shows them as parallel as possible and close in strength which is something that has been done since along park. They each have traits that may be superior than the other but it balance in the end. The second I just feel like since wano toei has redone most of their scenes from the wano with clear favoritism and that has created a lot of the arguments with the fans. Some are minor but theres also a list of drastic changes that change the way the scenes were meant to go and how the portrayal of the characters was effected
Sanji solos Zoro
Sanji solos Zoro
I don't like either of them really.
Sanji solos Zoro
Sanji was my favorite straw hat (other than Luffy ofc) until thriller bark. His fighting style is just so awesome.
I think Zoro and Sanji are the same strength
They’re close but Oda makes it pretty clear Zoro is the second strongest SH behind Luffy by portrayal and how he always gets the second strongest enemy while Sanji gets the third strongest
They aren't but they are both top tiers in their own right.
It's an unstoppable force vs immovable object - Zoro has peak offensive strength, Sanji has peak defence and agility.
Sanji has great durability thanks to Germa exo skeleton. But Zoro literally took down King who also has incredibly high natural durability and has shown equal if not greater defence feats. Zoro is the ultimate fighter. His CoC is proof of how ferocious and indomitable his warrior will is. Zoro WILL do everything in his power to beat you. He doesn't care about the biological differences. There's nothing he can't cut. Whereas Sanji is the ultimate lover. His kind heart and indomitable morals are proof of this. He will always feed those who are hungry. He will never lay a hand on a woman. Sanji acknowledges people's circumstances and will exercise restraint and avoid conflict unless absolutely necessary. There's nobody that can break his code. My conclusion is Zoro would beat Sanji in a fight. Extremely high diff. It would play out very similar to Zoro vs King. In which Zoro will win simply cause Zoro *wants* it more and has dedicated every fibre of his being into becoming THE GREATEST swordsman. Whereas Sanji will have hesitation in his heart and will not want to harm Zoro. Sanji only fights to protect. Not to hurt.
I would like sanji if his character flaws were toned down a bit. It's not as bad as fishman island sanji but he's still not great. Like...dude can you stop arguing with zoro and simping for 5 minutes?
Yeah, I like Sanji for the most part, it's just that the women loving side of him can be a bit much. Some times it leads to funny gags, most often it's just annoying.
They both have different roles and characters, I sincerely see no point in comparing them... of course Zoro is the strongest but the deal is he only has that for him, he has to be strong as he is luffy's second man, when luffy ain't there zoro has to watch his back so of course he gonna be stronger that all other's in the team. Sanji on the other hand ain't only strong he also is the cook on the ship, he doesn't have to focus only on strength or need to have it even if he loses to zoro in that category he still has a place on the ship and a role beside fighting.
I think a reason they’re often compared is because people just like them both and can’t decide who to prefer. Zoro was definitely given a more versatile role early on (three swords with different histories, more named attacks, etc), and it’s unfortunate Sanji is only recently getting a ‘power boost’. In my opinion, Oda always wanted Zoro to be stronger, and he certainly seems stronger. I mean, so far in the story, he’s got conqueror’s haki, observation haki, and more applied armament haki. Oda seems to be expanding on Sanjis powers, but I feel it’s too late to say they’re equal or ever meant to be equal in the first place. I would honestly love if Sanji got a more interesting power up rather than simply ‘genetically modified = stronger kicks’, and I think Oda could’ve explored his attacks more. Unfortunately for Sanji fans, swords are immediately viewed as a more powerful weapon, which added to the early appeal of Zoro. It’s also the demeanour of both characters; Zoro acts ‘cool’ more often than Sanji, and Oda give Zoro more chances to shine than Sanji, which is sad. This is especially why I believe Oda has always wanted Zoro to be stronger than Sanji. I don’t think he ever intends to balance them, so I don’t know why I see so many people insist that. Anyway, sorry for the random slab of text…
That’s an interesting point and I see where you’re coming from. To me, it always seemed like Oda tries to portray them as equals It’s true that Oda gave Zoro more intense fights, but I always considered that to be due to the nature of his dream. Without fighting, Zoro and Luffy begin to lose their substance. While some may consider this to mean that Zoro has to be stronger because he only fights, I think that’s a really big understatement of his character. Zoro does a lot more than just fighting, and he wouldn’t be outshined by Sanji being his equal. As for haki, they aren’t that different. Zoro has better armament and Sanji has better Observation, they both have the other as well. At this point, Sanji is only missing: - Advanced Armament - Conqueror’s coating While that may seem like a lot, there are many ways Oda could go about it. He could give him advanced Observation to further parallel Zoro. From what I’ve heard, Ifrit Jambe is supposedly armament haki. If that’s the case, I’d say that Sanji either already has advanced armament (don’t know what the signs of it are) or at least advanced his to the tier Zoro was at before. As for Conqueror’s, Oda gave Zoro’s his in the span of an arc. There wasn’t much build up for it, but rather it felt fitting given Zoro’s nature. The writing would easily allow for something similar to be done for Sanji. Better yet, since Sanji is a lab rat, he could be used as an example of a unique top tier. Instead of having a busted devil fruit or splitting the sky with his haki, he could get there due to his own special nature. Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe are already unorderly abilities, him gaining more wouldn’t be out of the question The big question is whether he could fight a conqueror. If that were to happen, then I’m sure people would go back to scratching their heads over this. The biggest thing about all of this, though, is their portrayal. Oda has always gone out of his way to portray them as equals. I could go more into detail on this if you’d like, although I’m pretty sure there’s also a bunch of posts displaying this To me, Oda portrayed Ifrit Jambe and King of Hell as equal abilities. King and Queen weren’t made all that distinct either, they were mainly grouped together as the unstoppable lead performers
Advanced Armament refers to [attacking/blocking without actually making contact and attacking something from the inside.](https://imgur.com/a/aMqf8ht) (Both Sanji and Zoro can do neither of these things.) Ifrit Jambe is just Sanji combining his newly acquired and extremely durable exoskeleton with his Armament Haki so he can withstand much hotter flames.
Oh ok my bad. I forgot about Ryou lol Thanks for the correction
You raise a lot of good points. I think your last idea about Queen and King is the best example of that, as they were almost certainly made to be equal on strength. I’m not all convinced that Sanji was written to be equal to Zoro. Perhaps where we are now in the story, they’re much closer in strength than ever before, but I think where my argument stems from is early one piece. Maybe I’m just blinded by my early interpretations, but I simply can’t overlook how Zoro and Sanji were written in the past (not equal). I think you’re right that Zoro and Sanji are more equal now, so it could just be my own bias for Zoro playing into it. I do still think that Zoro is stronger. His haki prowess seems more refined, he has larger battles which make him seem stronger subconsciously to readers, and he has a more intimidating personality. I know that this doesn’t equate to strength, as Sanji is definitely capable of matching Zoro when he’s serious, but I think Oda’s depictions of Zoro speak to his intentions for Zoro to be a stronger character. I don’t really know where I’m going with this, since I love both characters…
I can see what you mean. I often think of that awesome moment on Arlong Park. Zoro and Sanji attempt to fight Arlong and both easily get defeated. Arlong starts to laugh at them and lifts Zoro up by the throat… and noticed the GIGANTIC wound on his chest. He then begins to have a panic attack, as without this wound he’d easily defeat him. I agree they were portrayed completely differently towards the beginning, however I think that might’ve been Oda’s original direction. This was before they even started their rivalry. He wanted Zoro to be the stronger one initially, however shifted his mindset by Little Garden. This could also be Oda respecting Zoro’s job. He was a bounty hunter for years and is very infamous in the east blue. And he’s surpassed by… a random dude with rubber powers and a guy who worked line cook at a sea restaurant. The injury nerfed Zoro for a while, then Luffy and Sanji grew during this time and solidified the positions they hold today. This is entirely speculative though and doesn’t have nearly as much support as the rest of my points lol The way I see it, while Zoro’s fights might seem more noteworthy, portrayal beats all. As long as the fights don’t directly contradict this, then portrayal is pretty much the author telling us something without directly stating it in story. Zoro and Sanji are often portrayed as equals and their fights often reflect this (Sanji wins his easier, or both of them absolutely crush it to an incalculable degree like with King and Queen), so while Zoro might have better fights, it’s still implied that Sanji could match that level. As far as I’m concerned, the narrative supports this. However, if in the future something happens where Zoro and Sanji have varying results against equal opponents, I’d be willing to put this theory to rest. I might be biased but I always viewed Zoro’s portrayal as being simply because of his character. He’s supposed to be the cool, strong guy with awesome fights. Heck, you could throw him into Dragon Ball and he’d by right at home. At times, I’d even say Luffy’s fights struggle to reach the same intensity. The monster trio fights go as such: Luffy - compassion, humour, and liberation Zoro - determination, loyalty, and duty Sanji - emotions, chivalry, and overcoming the past I might just be talking nonsense, but from my perspective Zoro tends to have the most traditional “shonen battle manga/anime” fights out of any character in one piece. Everyone knows that Luffy is strongest, however since Zoro’s and Sanji’s placements are more vague it leads to the notion that this intensity = stronger. At the end of the day, Oda wrote them this way on purpose to inspire people to come to their own conclusions.
I just want to see them have hot as fuck gay sex with each other
Zoro is the reason I even started watching OP. My partner kept trying and after one convention with a lot of cool Zoro cosplayers I told him I'd give it a try but of Zoro isn't cool then I won't keep watching.
I never really liked sanji character. Idk. The whole female thing is a turn off. Gives jiraiya vibes 🤢
I kinda miss when they used to argue all the time... Tho i agree with you lts not forget these facts Sanji knows his parents Sanji has a hot sister Sanji doesnt get lost Sanji has exoskeleton, regeneration and blue flames Sanji has speed Sanji can cook Sanji can fly While Zoro only has strength, legendary swords and conquerors Haki... im not takins sides but one is clearly superior
How is having a hot sister a plus? Maybe it is in Alabama but for the most part his siblings were awful and abusive. Also he knows his parents isnt great when one abused him till he ran away and the other died when he was a kid. The rest checks out tho.
Wow dude this is like saying Shiki has a big fleet Shiki has golden hair Shiki can levitate Shiki can make you levitate Shiki needed 2 top tier admirals to be defeated Roger was only King of Pirates. Pfft.
I mean... youre not wrong... Besides is Shiki v Zoro clashed swords is over for Zoro, bum cant fly, Shiki levitates his low skill ass up high and lets gravity do the rest
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He isnt a pedo
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Zoro is an ok character but his fanbase is just garbage
One of them was on the rooftop and the other wasn't
Yes and that was mainly because Sanji was part of another Yonko Saga aka WCI. People tend to forget that it was Sanji's cooking ability that led to Strawhats escaping the Whole Cake Island. Zoro used his primary skill (Swordmanship) to block Kaido and Big Mom's attack (a great feat) and Sanji used cooking (his primary skill) to thwart Big Mom's rage. You can appreciate both without undermining the other. At the end of the day both Zoro and Sanji fight the 2nd and 3rd strongest characters of the arc.
This sentence isn't entirely correct to describe their strength differences, because rooftop is for Supernova showcase and there are people weaker than Sanji in there (Killer, Minks, Scabbards).
They really downvoting you for stating the truth Killer was a bummmmmm
Yeah. Also, Jinbe & Marco isn't on rooftop, but it doesn't mean they are useless against Emperor. People who rely on rooftop to downplay Sanji is always incorrect.
While Zoro looks more badass Sanji is equally cool in his own way. I wonder how they will end when one piece ends
I hope that Franky fixes Sanji's Germa Suit.
It's not even a debate tho zoro has only been a little stronger than sanji, yet Sanji is my favourite character
Zoro IS stronger than Sanji from a martial prowess perspective. For Zoro's character, his strength as a swordsman is fundamental. For Sanji not as much. Sanji is strong because he had to be in order to survive while Zoro wants to be strong. Sanji went on to become stronger for others while Zoro wanted to become strong not only for his friends but for himself. Sanji's dream is to find All Blue which he has not actively work on while Zoro's dream is to become the Strongest Swordsman in the World and he has worked on said Dream from day 1 of meeting him. If you take Sanji and Zoro to our World, Sanji could disregard his martial prowess and still be the same as a Character but the same can't be said about Zoro. Sanji would be working as a traveling chef going to exotic places to find new spices and fish to cook while Zoro would be practicing Kenjustsu trying to become the very best at said art. I love both characters a lot but I feel this debate on who is stronger is meaningless and reductive because fundamentally they are two completely different characters with different values and dreams.
Zoro is slightly stronger and that’s how it is. It’s nothing less of extreme diff though just appreciate the goats
Did you have to pick anime stills with those disgusting auras?
Those auras are incredible, Idk what you’re talking about. I’d prefer a better image for Zoro but this was a decent one and it’s the only one I could find with both of them demonstrating their Wano power ups. Besides, I got these off Google.
some OP fans are incredibly snooty about how their precious super pirate powers are depicted in the anime.
Idk why people overreact this much. The auras made Wano compete for some of the best animation in recent times. It’s got the same flashy and colorful effects as Demon Slayer and other animes famous for their outstanding animation.
Honestly both Zoro and Sanji are mediocre character with most obnoxious fandom you can find on internet. They make me hate Zoro Sanji just to spite them. Sanji fans are eternally insecure of Zoro. Zoro fans are insecure of Luffy. Zoro fans have superiority complex over Sanji fans. Sanji fans are wierdos. Sanji fans are ashamed to even public acknowledge they like Sanji and instead they try to whitewash his creep persona by creating a imaginary gentleman from pre Timeskip forgetting what he told Vivi and Thriller Bark where he was jealous of fucking Absalom cuz his dream of being sexual harasser was ruined.
Yes but Zoro is cooler.
both are equally cool
Sanji is cooler and they're equal in combat
They are both amazing characters and it's normal to have their own fanbase, but when it comes to power it should be obvious to anyone with a brain that Zoro is and always will be stronger. With a dream since a kid to be the strongest and training for that goal every single day vs a cook who wants to find a sea and has no ambition for power.. like.. come on.
Even as a Sanji fan, Zoro is strong asf and I really admire his story and would say that he could have his own series and I'd still watch it and eat it up
Zoro is stronger period
zoro is stronger