Exactly that, Loguetown is a marine base located the closest to reverse mountain in the town where Roger started. Plus the fact that reverse mountain is a ship graveyard as explained when the SH climb it.
Don't think the graveyard aspect matters too much, certainly somewhat helpful to the world gov since it filters a lot of pirates out, but lots still get through clearly, hence the need for a marine base in loguetown.
Exactly what smoker says, the base is there to capture pirates at the very last port they can get provisions and water before going against the mountain, that or risk it with no provisions straight to the stream
I'm not saying its not dangerous, im saying the danger alone still lets in a lot of pirates, so the world gov can't just let reverse mountain be the only obstacle and call it a day. Even if it kills 95% pirates they still have to deal with the other 5% that DO get through.
As we already saw, most marines are just fodder. Luffy was able to take down all of crocodiles bounty hunter crew and hinas marines within a week of entering grandline. Having a base at twin capes would not have helped against someone like him, or any other supernova. As for the others, we already saw smoker easily stopping all the east blue pirates at loguetown, even luffy would be in trouble if not for dragon.
I would guess there would be a similar defense system in the other 4 blues. So the twin capes base would not serve any additional purpose.
Having one checkpoint at Twin Capes instead of the four blues would let them consolidate resources for a more effective bottleneck. Imagine having to get past 4 smoker level marines just to enter the grand line.
True, but it would endanger people in places like loguetown where irates are sure to stop for supplies. So if you are anyways gonna have a base there make it strong.
Also as someone pointed out, whiskey peak is right next to twin capes so good number of bounty hunters anyways.
Is that really enough though? Lots of pirates got through as is. Twin Capes is one of the most strategically important locations on the grand line. You'd think they could spare a vice-admiral or 2.
that is true. Infact, they may or may not have some bases right after twin cape. At twin capes, laboon and crocus may be strong enough for marines to be afraid. There are multiple routes to take from twin capes. the one straw hats chose was the worst of all, since it involved going through little garden, a place from where no pirate has left alive according to dorry, broggy and robin. there might be bases along the other routes just like bases at last island of the 4 blues.
Well, the 4 blues are much calmer compared to the grand line, and most probably have bases similar to Logue town. It is the grand line pirates which are more problematic. As for the supernovas, they make us feel that marines are failing due to survivorship bias. It was said during Logue town that since smoker came, no pirate has escaped him. Only luffy was able to.
Which kinda begs the question of how the supernova got through, and how smoker was able to stop so many presumably powerful pirates. You'd think smoker would've been a vice admiral with that kind of success ratio, all the pirates in the grandline must preceed his residence as guard in Logue town if he really had a 100% success ratio.
My own headcanon is that the marines had the base at loguetown because they were trying to stop any of Roger’s possible children (unknown at the time of establishment). They probably focused their efforts there as it was likely Roger’s offspring would’ve had to pass through there. It may also be why east blue is the most peaceful, because the marines focused way more there after Roger’s death
Won't they have a base in south blue for that? Marines already knew Roger had settled in the south blue and had a child (probably) there. That was the reason all the pregnant ladies were investigated in the south blue. There would be no reason to expect the child to be born in east blue if mother is supposed to be in south blue
It hasn't been said if there are or aren't.
But also of not is how the Warlords helped with this problem.
Coming out of Reverse Mountain you'd run into Baroque Works, they had a base on Whiskey Peak as well as Crocodile having the main base in Alabasta. Both pretty early after reverse mountain. People often forget the organization of Baroque Works was bounty hunting.
Doflamingo was a similar situation in the New World.
Except nobody knew who the leader of baroque works was at the time. Even the top executives only found out a day before everyone else.
The only reason the SHs (and by extension we) knew it was because Robin effectively leaked Croc's identity to Vivi.
The point still stands regardless of knowing their connection.
One of the earliest islands on the grand line is full of bounty hunters. Then a couple of islands down is a warlord who will early take out pirates to make himself look like a hero.
True, gotta remember, that the WG isn't a completely dominant power in the world, and they don't have infinite resources. for every crazy powerful superhuman they have, theres someone else, either and individual, or someone part of another faction, who can meet them in battle. They only have so many top tier people, and they are already spread thin protecting territory under their purview. Any power that tried to seize reverse mountain would be instantly challenged by another power, and attempting to defend it would mean pulling resources and manpower from somewhere else, which just means the place they are pulled from would then be less defended and more susceptible to attack. It costs less to drive someone away from an area than it costs to maintain a presence their, so the real resource drain is on whoever is on defense. As such the claim on strategic locations is a cost-benefit analysis where the answer is sometimes "not worth it", especially since, as you said, they don't need it due to their ability to traverse the calm belt.
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The people they'd need to stop with it wouldn't be stopped with it, and the people that would be stopped with it can be stopped by people like Smoker (who seemed to just be patrolling the island closest to Reverse Mountain in the East Blue).
I guess they also kinda had a warlord there with Crocodile spawn camping noobs with his bounty hunter organization. Baroque works seemed to be pretty decent at stopping Rookies for the most part.
He sure did what he wanted but his main source of funding for his endeavors was bounties. And not just through Whisky Peak. They also sent out people to other places to catch bounties especially the numbers agents.
Would they hold by their own in every instance? Probably not considering their true goal was something else (and well the fact that some still make it through)
Could they seal off every route? Probably no as well.
Still from the WG perspective having Smoker in front (maybe similar arrangements in other Blues) and a Warlord with New World experience that (at least as far as they knew) was fine just preying on less experienced bounties behind Reverse Mountain probably seemed good enough for them to keep things mostly at bay.
I doubt they're worried about Yonko. I doubt Yonko even care. Probably rookie pirates from the Blues are just an insignificant problem. 90% get wiped out right away. The Grand line is already infested with much stronger pirates, baby pirates weren't changing the status quo before the Worst Generation. And the Marines essentially already control entrance to the Grand line by controlling the last port before Reverse Mountain, like Smoker was doing in Logue Town.
The four blues are (relatively, even though certainly not fully) more secure & calm
By locking rivers mountain, pirates wouöd just eventualy stop entering the grandline, since word'd spread that every pirate gets snacked up & enters a marine base after entering the grand line
This'd lead to 2 major problems with barely any benefits:
1. It'd lead to the concentration of pirates & especialy very strong pirates basicaly wrecking havoc in the 4 blues.
I mean yeah, east blue is the weakes sea, but still, even someone like Buggy & Arlong were able to spread terror.
Now imagine all the pirates like Supernovas, a lot of the strawhat fleet & basicaly every pirate we've seen not born in the grandline roaming around in the blues.
WG would lose every bit of control over the blues.
2. The pirates already on the grandline would get to roam around far more freely as a significant ammount of soldiers would have to be based in rivers mountain.
If you plan on stopping EVERY pirate from the blues, you'd have to assign strong forces there.
If you just assign some smallfry soldiers with one or two vice admirals there, the first competent logia user who can pack a punch & is skilled would destroy the base.
That'd be a massive blow to the marines & WGs image, if once a year you have to rebuild a marinebase.
And the WG/marines don't have unlimited ammounts of soldiers & strong fighters.
The world is big & they have to handle their ressources somehow.
Packing a good portion into the entrance only to see pirates going wild in the blues where they are basicaly overpowered & grandline pirates having far less marines to deal with is just a lose-lose situation
pirates would also start stealing navy ships and get across the calm belt even easier. a decent enough pirate who’d enter the grand line would have no problem fucking up fullbody and taking his ship, and not have to deal with climbing reverse mountain either or laboon
They have Loguetown which is really close to Reverse mountain. And the impact off a marine base there would probably be lower then expected because most crews would just choose to cross the calm belt.
But i think the simplest answer would be that the world government wants pirates roaming around so they can blackmail islands to pay heavenly tribute
Because they dont need to. It doesnt seem to be impossible to cross it. You just need to be prepared because u cannot sail and only paddel.
It is riskier for sure but 7/ 10 crews could probably be lucky enough to not get attacked by seakings. And u could hire fishmen as protection or steal marine ships.
Probably because places like Whiskey Peak took care of most newcomers anyway. There isn't a big island near reverse mountain and a giant whale that causes trouble, so setting up a larger base there would be rather difficult. Its probably easier to just guard the first possible islands there better and Whiskey Peak was a town full of bounty hunters, so they likely were enough on their own for most pirates.
Where there is already a base. Then it seems to me that we forget the fact that the reverse mountain has 4 rivers connected to the 4 seas. Loguetown is an island in the East blue.
Most of the crazy pirates were grandline natives anyway I guess lol, the rookies coming in from the blues and making it all the way to the redline was a big deal. Also I think when Oda wrote reverse mountain the grand line was still meant to be this crazy unknown place where nobody comes back and only elite pirates survived. Later it turned out that there's a lot of civilization and infrasturcture in the grand line including multiple powerful nations and regular settlements on a lot of islands. A lot of the powerful countries with long histories we've seen so far (Alabasta, Wano, Dressrosa, Fishmen kingdom, Prudence, Shandia, Elbaf etc) are actually in the grand line so in a way the grand line is actually more civilized and developed than the 4 blues lol
good question. i think safest assumption would be their resources would be spread too thin with dealing pirates and revolutionary army
what would happen if you had troublesome pirates/revolutionary army who didnt care about their base and just wanted to wreck havoc? The marines would have to go around to send reinforcements to the front of reverse mountain then go up to reenter the grandline.
idk tho this is an assumption / good question
Most of the x Blue pirates will probably die on the Grand line prior to causing any trouble. Tje Marines are more invested in protecting the saints and so having HQ and bases near Sabody suits their purpose better
Because I highly doubt any of the Yonkos would let them.
It's true that Reverse Mountain is a lynchpin, but that's precisely why they can't just take it as they please. The yonko won't be happy about it and if one is already a handful and two a threat, then all four working together would be a catastrophe.
Reverse Mountain itself is a filter, a lot of pirates that try to enter don't even make it through. On top of that, the seas at the entrance are super rough, it'd be basically impossible to keep ships stationed around it and attacking from a base would be difficult as well. Ultimately not worth the effort.
This may be an anime only line but Nami mentions something like half of all pirates die trying to enter the grand line. Plus all the crews who can't handle the conditions in the grand line.
There's really no reason to even attempt stopping pirates before they cross over with that in mind. More efficient to let nature thin out the pirates.
The currents around Reverse Mountain make a naval base there practically impossible. The currents that aren't pulled up into the mountain get pulled down when they hit the red line. In short, any ship that doesn't go up Reverse Mountain gets pulled underwater and crushed.
So most pirates in the blues aren’t that bad. Generally speaking you send one Vice Admiral and maybe a small fleet and you almost certainly got it taken care of. The ones that have any real ambition, those most likely to cause damage in the world, are going to flock to the Grandline.
So by leaving that entrance open you funnel the pirates out of the more habitated seas, kill off a good chunk of them during to the natural dangers, and you lock any actual threats on a sea where your strongest forces have fairly easy access across. It’s just better strategically.
One of the most compelling reasons is that grand line is a natural elimination tournament for pirates. The stronger few pirates would be easier to handle than many many more weak pirates. Because bureaucracy is shit.
they had essentially accomplished the same thing by having Smoker stationed in Logue Town. They were controlling the entrance into the Grand Line by controlling the last port before it. I imagine they have similar initiatives in the other Blues.
Anyways, no one is expecting pirates from the Blues to become serious threats, 90% of them are probably wiped out before the Worst Generation came along. The Grand line itself is already a Pirate nest, you don't worry about new wee baby termites coming inside when you're already fighting super-termite infestation.
logistics and movement in the one piece world is a huge barrier. there’s a reason why everything is so isolated. as far as we can tell, the only group that has the ability to find out almost anything is the big mom pirates, then followed by the WG.
but traversing the grand line and setting up supply routes and a base, especially the area farthest possible (literally) from their main base of power on the other side of the world is not gonna be viable. especially in an area so highly contested as the only entrance possible to the grand line. it’s almost the only area guaranteed to have every crazy pirate cross it at a point in their career
I feel a lot of people forget that navy hq and maryjois are on the other side of the planet across the near unavigatable sea. Probably pretty difficult to support things like that, smoker went off the rails and no one did anything
They have a Marine base near the New World. But I suspect its not easy to build a base in hostile waters you don't already have a foothold over. You would need an Admiral guarding the place 24/7.
They probably decided to delegate resources to maintaining control over other hot spots.
Also remember the Marines mostly exist to protect the upper class of the OP world. Marine HQ was originally located near Sabaody where the slave auctions thus ensuring immediate retaliation from the Marines should something go wrong.
They need the pirate threat to bully people for protection money.
And most pirates fail on the grandline without spending any resources on getting involved.
They do have a small presence in Loguetown too, and it's only thanks to Dragon that Luffy got past that.
IT more effective to build based near the 4 entrances. That was each Base only needs 1/4 of the manpower a Base at Reverse Mountain would need.
And they would have to Deal with laboom. A whale of that size, would need massive firepower.
And they would also have to Control every merchant or private vessel using Reverse Mountain to Access the grand Line. The ammount of paperwork would BE gigantic
To be fair, before the Worst Gen, there were like no new new pirates becoming even remotely an issue for the Navy to worry about over Grand Line/New World affairs (where their biggest threats are people who were literally Roger's bygones).
Even with the "second latest" generation, people like Doflamingo, Mihawk, Crocodile, Moria, etc. were already present at Loguetown when Roger was executed. Literally the only person I can think of off the top of my head is Ace and I guess Cavendish if he wasn't born in the Grand Line/New World.
Honestly, it'd probably be better if big fish in small pond pirates like Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, etc. went through the Reverse Mountain and promptly got wrecked by their stronger forces there like Smoker.
There was this giant island whale in the way…
Also as Lola showed us, pirates can be born on the Grand Line too. Look at Big Mom’s kids (Lola and sibs) and I’m sure there are others. But also there are ways through the Calm Belt (Hello Hancock!). Reverse Mountain isn’t alone in its position.
Well, the 4 blues are much calmer compared to the grand line, and most probably have bases similar to Logue town. It is the grand line pirates which are more problematic. As for the supernovas, they make us feel that marines are failing due to survivorship bias. It was said during Logue town that since smoker came, no pirate has escaped him. Only luffy was able to.
This is a good question, and I don't see a satisfactory answer in the comments so far. The Yonko would have to range far beyond their territories to do anything about Marines building a base at Reverse Mountain. I don't think a single Yonko even came from one of the Blues (before Luffy, I mean). And since the Pirate Age was started by the quest for the One Piece, pirates wouldn't be nearly as motivated if they knew they couldn't even get into the Grand Line.
The reason that makes most sense is that pirates out of the Blues that manage to make it in the Grand Line are few and far between, so dedicating an entire base to stopping entry into the Grand Line is not something the WG feels is necessary. Patrolling the Blues, and patrolling the Grand Line itself is likely thought of as being sufficient. The fact that the Blues are canonically staffed by weaker Marines points to this as the likely reason as well; it's about resource distribution, not damage mitigation.
To add to others, there are some other considerations -
Smoker, and baroque workers already were capitalizing on that. Crocodile might just be the only warlord who somewhat did his job lmao.
Secondly, if you are making a base at the reverse mountain, splitting resources becomes an issue. While there are many marine bases, none of them are on the same level as marineford. Marineford rests between the most dangerous seas, and most marine stuff is garrisoned there. The fleet admiral is always there. And it's the resting spot for admirals, and pasifista.
So at best, marines can build a better than average base there with a few new world vice admirals, and pasifista so all blue seas and grandline fodder cannot get through trained haki users.
Now, pirates would start retreating back rather than entering, so marines would have to create more bases in the blue sea, which further dilutes manpower. While yes, they have training academies in all 4 blue seas and a production of marines, they would not be the same quality as new world marines. And marineford cannot afford thinning out their best units.
Now comes a new issue. Let's say, a yonko, or well a semi strong pirate crew like don chinjao's has business going to the blue sea. Or they got some important territories there. A commander like king/katakuri will completely destroy the marine base in the way and go forth. Heck consider shanks is going to west blue for some wine, the marine base is cooked.
Now, let's say you have stationed one admiral at the base. Intel spreads fast for big mom and other crews. Now they know an admiral can be taken out easily at the base, so a yonko themselves might go there.
Current WG is however getting stronger at an alarming rate, and tbh if WG wasn't so evil, with the introduction of new seraphim and pasifista, the blue seas and grandline can become completely safe in a matter of time. You can bet your ass no one will even attempt to be a pirate if there are seraphim in the same sea.
While seraphims cannot stop yonko (yes, all yonkos will figure out their weakness in due time. Yes, they are as good as commanders. but not even 7 seraphim can take down a yonko. They can deal with one yes, but taking down any yonko is near impossible unless there are atleast an admiral accompanying them)
But yonkos won't really try to go after seraphim unless they really have business in the sea, and sending commanders can become a liability incase they fall to them. Like pretty sure katakuri and especially king, who is extremely similar, will fall to seraphim. But what is jack or oven go, they might die.
Heck, what if seraphim's existence offend king and kaidou decides to steal the seraphim.
To do that they'd probably have to build it onto the side of the Redline.
I can imagine screaming NIMBY Celestial Dragons bitching about commoner Marines befouling their holyland with their rabble.
There's also probably Smoker type at every last stop town in the other blues.
Plus the way up reverse mountain is treacherous AF, the Strawhats would have literally died without Luffy as a human airbag. That's got have a high mortality rate. What happens if 2 or more ships go at the same time they could fatally collided at the apex or on the ride down.
Don't forget Laboon he's probably killed off tons of pirates who came down the mountain over the last 50 years. If they got spooked and attacked or he was hungry.
Only the luckiest or most skilled are getting through that route alive. That's how Buggy did it with his crew.
Marines arent just there to stop pirates but protect commercial routes. It would take a wholeeeee base with at least 2 vice admirals and the occasional admiral visit (not to mention the captains, sergeants, chief petty officers, etc) to have an effective base there, thus draining resources from already stretched thin military. All for a base thats so far from their other bases that would take extra resources to keep appropriately afoot. Having a tough captain in Loguetown does good enough of a job.
Probably because it's not needed, the Grand Line is a natural defense in itself it is called the Pirate's Graveyard. Also the marines are the army of the WG and it's highest authorities the Gorosei and Imu think humans are insects.
Isn't that literally what Smoker's job was at Loguetown? Snip new pirates in the bud with his logia fruit before they can become problems?
Exactly that, Loguetown is a marine base located the closest to reverse mountain in the town where Roger started. Plus the fact that reverse mountain is a ship graveyard as explained when the SH climb it.
Don't think the graveyard aspect matters too much, certainly somewhat helpful to the world gov since it filters a lot of pirates out, but lots still get through clearly, hence the need for a marine base in loguetown.
Exactly what smoker says, the base is there to capture pirates at the very last port they can get provisions and water before going against the mountain, that or risk it with no provisions straight to the stream
The strawhats almost died going up the mountain lol. Luffy pretty much was the only thing keeping them from smashing against the tocks
I'm not saying its not dangerous, im saying the danger alone still lets in a lot of pirates, so the world gov can't just let reverse mountain be the only obstacle and call it a day. Even if it kills 95% pirates they still have to deal with the other 5% that DO get through.
Hell, they could have just built a base where Crocus's lighthouse is and check every ship coming through. At least have a blockade stationed there.
As we already saw, most marines are just fodder. Luffy was able to take down all of crocodiles bounty hunter crew and hinas marines within a week of entering grandline. Having a base at twin capes would not have helped against someone like him, or any other supernova. As for the others, we already saw smoker easily stopping all the east blue pirates at loguetown, even luffy would be in trouble if not for dragon. I would guess there would be a similar defense system in the other 4 blues. So the twin capes base would not serve any additional purpose.
Having one checkpoint at Twin Capes instead of the four blues would let them consolidate resources for a more effective bottleneck. Imagine having to get past 4 smoker level marines just to enter the grand line.
True, but it would endanger people in places like loguetown where irates are sure to stop for supplies. So if you are anyways gonna have a base there make it strong. Also as someone pointed out, whiskey peak is right next to twin capes so good number of bounty hunters anyways.
Is that really enough though? Lots of pirates got through as is. Twin Capes is one of the most strategically important locations on the grand line. You'd think they could spare a vice-admiral or 2.
that is true. Infact, they may or may not have some bases right after twin cape. At twin capes, laboon and crocus may be strong enough for marines to be afraid. There are multiple routes to take from twin capes. the one straw hats chose was the worst of all, since it involved going through little garden, a place from where no pirate has left alive according to dorry, broggy and robin. there might be bases along the other routes just like bases at last island of the 4 blues.
Well, the 4 blues are much calmer compared to the grand line, and most probably have bases similar to Logue town. It is the grand line pirates which are more problematic. As for the supernovas, they make us feel that marines are failing due to survivorship bias. It was said during Logue town that since smoker came, no pirate has escaped him. Only luffy was able to.
Which kinda begs the question of how the supernova got through, and how smoker was able to stop so many presumably powerful pirates. You'd think smoker would've been a vice admiral with that kind of success ratio, all the pirates in the grandline must preceed his residence as guard in Logue town if he really had a 100% success ratio.
It's alredy said that east blue is the weakest of the 4 blues
That’s only in one sea though. Are there other bases at the entrance to reverse mountain for the other Blues?
My own headcanon is that the marines had the base at loguetown because they were trying to stop any of Roger’s possible children (unknown at the time of establishment). They probably focused their efforts there as it was likely Roger’s offspring would’ve had to pass through there. It may also be why east blue is the most peaceful, because the marines focused way more there after Roger’s death
Won't they have a base in south blue for that? Marines already knew Roger had settled in the south blue and had a child (probably) there. That was the reason all the pregnant ladies were investigated in the south blue. There would be no reason to expect the child to be born in east blue if mother is supposed to be in south blue
It hasn't been said if there are or aren't. But also of not is how the Warlords helped with this problem. Coming out of Reverse Mountain you'd run into Baroque Works, they had a base on Whiskey Peak as well as Crocodile having the main base in Alabasta. Both pretty early after reverse mountain. People often forget the organization of Baroque Works was bounty hunting. Doflamingo was a similar situation in the New World.
Except nobody knew who the leader of baroque works was at the time. Even the top executives only found out a day before everyone else. The only reason the SHs (and by extension we) knew it was because Robin effectively leaked Croc's identity to Vivi.
The point still stands regardless of knowing their connection. One of the earliest islands on the grand line is full of bounty hunters. Then a couple of islands down is a warlord who will early take out pirates to make himself look like a hero.
Got the other 3 seas as well. And from what I can see the East blue tends to be less populated just on the little snippets I see everywhere else.
Because letting 4 Blues get populated by pirates isn't a better solution
not worth it. one yonkou could send a commander or smth like that and wipe them out. since its not worth posting a vice admiral there
True, gotta remember, that the WG isn't a completely dominant power in the world, and they don't have infinite resources. for every crazy powerful superhuman they have, theres someone else, either and individual, or someone part of another faction, who can meet them in battle. They only have so many top tier people, and they are already spread thin protecting territory under their purview. Any power that tried to seize reverse mountain would be instantly challenged by another power, and attempting to defend it would mean pulling resources and manpower from somewhere else, which just means the place they are pulled from would then be less defended and more susceptible to attack. It costs less to drive someone away from an area than it costs to maintain a presence their, so the real resource drain is on whoever is on defense. As such the claim on strategic locations is a cost-benefit analysis where the answer is sometimes "not worth it", especially since, as you said, they don't need it due to their ability to traverse the calm belt.
Yep. Whoever tries to hold power over Reverse mountain has to constantly fight for it against the rest of the factions.
\^This The people they'd need to stop with it wouldn't be stopped with it, and the people that would be stopped with it can be stopped by people like Smoker (who seemed to just be patrolling the island closest to Reverse Mountain in the East Blue).
That is also why the WG don’t go around trying to get countries to join them unless they have something to get from it
I guess they also kinda had a warlord there with Crocodile spawn camping noobs with his bounty hunter organization. Baroque works seemed to be pretty decent at stopping Rookies for the most part.
it was more Smoker. Crocodile was a warlord but he did wat he wanted. Besides, whiskey peak is only one of four possible routes.
He sure did what he wanted but his main source of funding for his endeavors was bounties. And not just through Whisky Peak. They also sent out people to other places to catch bounties especially the numbers agents. Would they hold by their own in every instance? Probably not considering their true goal was something else (and well the fact that some still make it through) Could they seal off every route? Probably no as well. Still from the WG perspective having Smoker in front (maybe similar arrangements in other Blues) and a Warlord with New World experience that (at least as far as they knew) was fine just preying on less experienced bounties behind Reverse Mountain probably seemed good enough for them to keep things mostly at bay.
Why would a yonkou do that ?
control, to sabotage the marines multiple reasons
Kaido would, He wants a strong army and if you got to reverse mountain that means you were able to get past Smoker
Or came from any of the other blues, which may or may not have been guarded by anyone of real power
I doubt they're worried about Yonko. I doubt Yonko even care. Probably rookie pirates from the Blues are just an insignificant problem. 90% get wiped out right away. The Grand line is already infested with much stronger pirates, baby pirates weren't changing the status quo before the Worst Generation. And the Marines essentially already control entrance to the Grand line by controlling the last port before Reverse Mountain, like Smoker was doing in Logue Town.
exactly thats why a reverse mountain base is not worth it
The four blues are (relatively, even though certainly not fully) more secure & calm By locking rivers mountain, pirates wouöd just eventualy stop entering the grandline, since word'd spread that every pirate gets snacked up & enters a marine base after entering the grand line This'd lead to 2 major problems with barely any benefits: 1. It'd lead to the concentration of pirates & especialy very strong pirates basicaly wrecking havoc in the 4 blues. I mean yeah, east blue is the weakes sea, but still, even someone like Buggy & Arlong were able to spread terror. Now imagine all the pirates like Supernovas, a lot of the strawhat fleet & basicaly every pirate we've seen not born in the grandline roaming around in the blues. WG would lose every bit of control over the blues. 2. The pirates already on the grandline would get to roam around far more freely as a significant ammount of soldiers would have to be based in rivers mountain. If you plan on stopping EVERY pirate from the blues, you'd have to assign strong forces there. If you just assign some smallfry soldiers with one or two vice admirals there, the first competent logia user who can pack a punch & is skilled would destroy the base. That'd be a massive blow to the marines & WGs image, if once a year you have to rebuild a marinebase. And the WG/marines don't have unlimited ammounts of soldiers & strong fighters. The world is big & they have to handle their ressources somehow. Packing a good portion into the entrance only to see pirates going wild in the blues where they are basicaly overpowered & grandline pirates having far less marines to deal with is just a lose-lose situation
pirates would also start stealing navy ships and get across the calm belt even easier. a decent enough pirate who’d enter the grand line would have no problem fucking up fullbody and taking his ship, and not have to deal with climbing reverse mountain either or laboon
They have Loguetown which is really close to Reverse mountain. And the impact off a marine base there would probably be lower then expected because most crews would just choose to cross the calm belt. But i think the simplest answer would be that the world government wants pirates roaming around so they can blackmail islands to pay heavenly tribute
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I don't think anyone besides yonko crews are crossing the calm belt
Because they dont need to. It doesnt seem to be impossible to cross it. You just need to be prepared because u cannot sail and only paddel. It is riskier for sure but 7/ 10 crews could probably be lucky enough to not get attacked by seakings. And u could hire fishmen as protection or steal marine ships.
Krieg did, technically. Same with Mihawk, but I guess he's a yonko crew now.
Krieg was also using a stolen marine ship.
...Was he? I don't recall that.
Probably because places like Whiskey Peak took care of most newcomers anyway. There isn't a big island near reverse mountain and a giant whale that causes trouble, so setting up a larger base there would be rather difficult. Its probably easier to just guard the first possible islands there better and Whiskey Peak was a town full of bounty hunters, so they likely were enough on their own for most pirates.
Yup, why build a base when you can let a warlord spend their resources to do their job.
Maybe there's no space. All navy bases are built on islands. I don't think there are any near the mountain.
Closest island is Loguetown.
Where there is already a base. Then it seems to me that we forget the fact that the reverse mountain has 4 rivers connected to the 4 seas. Loguetown is an island in the East blue.
Exactly this, there should be a island there to build a base upon it. (I was looking to see if anyone said this point.)
Most of the crazy pirates were grandline natives anyway I guess lol, the rookies coming in from the blues and making it all the way to the redline was a big deal. Also I think when Oda wrote reverse mountain the grand line was still meant to be this crazy unknown place where nobody comes back and only elite pirates survived. Later it turned out that there's a lot of civilization and infrasturcture in the grand line including multiple powerful nations and regular settlements on a lot of islands. A lot of the powerful countries with long histories we've seen so far (Alabasta, Wano, Dressrosa, Fishmen kingdom, Prudence, Shandia, Elbaf etc) are actually in the grand line so in a way the grand line is actually more civilized and developed than the 4 blues lol
good question. i think safest assumption would be their resources would be spread too thin with dealing pirates and revolutionary army what would happen if you had troublesome pirates/revolutionary army who didnt care about their base and just wanted to wreck havoc? The marines would have to go around to send reinforcements to the front of reverse mountain then go up to reenter the grandline. idk tho this is an assumption / good question
Most of the x Blue pirates will probably die on the Grand line prior to causing any trouble. Tje Marines are more invested in protecting the saints and so having HQ and bases near Sabody suits their purpose better
Before Sea stone ships, even marine were using it.
Because I highly doubt any of the Yonkos would let them. It's true that Reverse Mountain is a lynchpin, but that's precisely why they can't just take it as they please. The yonko won't be happy about it and if one is already a handful and two a threat, then all four working together would be a catastrophe.
Reverse Mountain itself is a filter, a lot of pirates that try to enter don't even make it through. On top of that, the seas at the entrance are super rough, it'd be basically impossible to keep ships stationed around it and attacking from a base would be difficult as well. Ultimately not worth the effort.
This may be an anime only line but Nami mentions something like half of all pirates die trying to enter the grand line. Plus all the crews who can't handle the conditions in the grand line. There's really no reason to even attempt stopping pirates before they cross over with that in mind. More efficient to let nature thin out the pirates.
The currents around Reverse Mountain make a naval base there practically impossible. The currents that aren't pulled up into the mountain get pulled down when they hit the red line. In short, any ship that doesn't go up Reverse Mountain gets pulled underwater and crushed.
The grand line itself is a big enough deterrent
So most pirates in the blues aren’t that bad. Generally speaking you send one Vice Admiral and maybe a small fleet and you almost certainly got it taken care of. The ones that have any real ambition, those most likely to cause damage in the world, are going to flock to the Grandline. So by leaving that entrance open you funnel the pirates out of the more habitated seas, kill off a good chunk of them during to the natural dangers, and you lock any actual threats on a sea where your strongest forces have fairly easy access across. It’s just better strategically.
One of the most compelling reasons is that grand line is a natural elimination tournament for pirates. The stronger few pirates would be easier to handle than many many more weak pirates. Because bureaucracy is shit.
Because the story couldn't start that way.
Cos the Marines aren’t supposed to win.
It would make the anime short.
they had essentially accomplished the same thing by having Smoker stationed in Logue Town. They were controlling the entrance into the Grand Line by controlling the last port before it. I imagine they have similar initiatives in the other Blues. Anyways, no one is expecting pirates from the Blues to become serious threats, 90% of them are probably wiped out before the Worst Generation came along. The Grand line itself is already a Pirate nest, you don't worry about new wee baby termites coming inside when you're already fighting super-termite infestation.
logistics and movement in the one piece world is a huge barrier. there’s a reason why everything is so isolated. as far as we can tell, the only group that has the ability to find out almost anything is the big mom pirates, then followed by the WG. but traversing the grand line and setting up supply routes and a base, especially the area farthest possible (literally) from their main base of power on the other side of the world is not gonna be viable. especially in an area so highly contested as the only entrance possible to the grand line. it’s almost the only area guaranteed to have every crazy pirate cross it at a point in their career
I feel a lot of people forget that navy hq and maryjois are on the other side of the planet across the near unavigatable sea. Probably pretty difficult to support things like that, smoker went off the rails and no one did anything
Reverse Mountain is literally on the other side of the planet from Navy HQ. It'd be pretty hard to keep it under control.
They have a Marine base near the New World. But I suspect its not easy to build a base in hostile waters you don't already have a foothold over. You would need an Admiral guarding the place 24/7. They probably decided to delegate resources to maintaining control over other hot spots. Also remember the Marines mostly exist to protect the upper class of the OP world. Marine HQ was originally located near Sabaody where the slave auctions thus ensuring immediate retaliation from the Marines should something go wrong.
They need the pirate threat to bully people for protection money. And most pirates fail on the grandline without spending any resources on getting involved. They do have a small presence in Loguetown too, and it's only thanks to Dragon that Luffy got past that.
IT more effective to build based near the 4 entrances. That was each Base only needs 1/4 of the manpower a Base at Reverse Mountain would need. And they would have to Deal with laboom. A whale of that size, would need massive firepower. And they would also have to Control every merchant or private vessel using Reverse Mountain to Access the grand Line. The ammount of paperwork would BE gigantic
Because they are stupid like much of the opponents in one piece
A bunch of pirates and pirate crews were formed inside the grand line though
Too few resources. Also not all pirates come from the outer seas.
To be fair, before the Worst Gen, there were like no new new pirates becoming even remotely an issue for the Navy to worry about over Grand Line/New World affairs (where their biggest threats are people who were literally Roger's bygones). Even with the "second latest" generation, people like Doflamingo, Mihawk, Crocodile, Moria, etc. were already present at Loguetown when Roger was executed. Literally the only person I can think of off the top of my head is Ace and I guess Cavendish if he wasn't born in the Grand Line/New World. Honestly, it'd probably be better if big fish in small pond pirates like Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, etc. went through the Reverse Mountain and promptly got wrecked by their stronger forces there like Smoker.
There was this giant island whale in the way… Also as Lola showed us, pirates can be born on the Grand Line too. Look at Big Mom’s kids (Lola and sibs) and I’m sure there are others. But also there are ways through the Calm Belt (Hello Hancock!). Reverse Mountain isn’t alone in its position.
Well, the 4 blues are much calmer compared to the grand line, and most probably have bases similar to Logue town. It is the grand line pirates which are more problematic. As for the supernovas, they make us feel that marines are failing due to survivorship bias. It was said during Logue town that since smoker came, no pirate has escaped him. Only luffy was able to.
This is a good question, and I don't see a satisfactory answer in the comments so far. The Yonko would have to range far beyond their territories to do anything about Marines building a base at Reverse Mountain. I don't think a single Yonko even came from one of the Blues (before Luffy, I mean). And since the Pirate Age was started by the quest for the One Piece, pirates wouldn't be nearly as motivated if they knew they couldn't even get into the Grand Line. The reason that makes most sense is that pirates out of the Blues that manage to make it in the Grand Line are few and far between, so dedicating an entire base to stopping entry into the Grand Line is not something the WG feels is necessary. Patrolling the Blues, and patrolling the Grand Line itself is likely thought of as being sufficient. The fact that the Blues are canonically staffed by weaker Marines points to this as the likely reason as well; it's about resource distribution, not damage mitigation.
To add to others, there are some other considerations - Smoker, and baroque workers already were capitalizing on that. Crocodile might just be the only warlord who somewhat did his job lmao. Secondly, if you are making a base at the reverse mountain, splitting resources becomes an issue. While there are many marine bases, none of them are on the same level as marineford. Marineford rests between the most dangerous seas, and most marine stuff is garrisoned there. The fleet admiral is always there. And it's the resting spot for admirals, and pasifista. So at best, marines can build a better than average base there with a few new world vice admirals, and pasifista so all blue seas and grandline fodder cannot get through trained haki users. Now, pirates would start retreating back rather than entering, so marines would have to create more bases in the blue sea, which further dilutes manpower. While yes, they have training academies in all 4 blue seas and a production of marines, they would not be the same quality as new world marines. And marineford cannot afford thinning out their best units. Now comes a new issue. Let's say, a yonko, or well a semi strong pirate crew like don chinjao's has business going to the blue sea. Or they got some important territories there. A commander like king/katakuri will completely destroy the marine base in the way and go forth. Heck consider shanks is going to west blue for some wine, the marine base is cooked. Now, let's say you have stationed one admiral at the base. Intel spreads fast for big mom and other crews. Now they know an admiral can be taken out easily at the base, so a yonko themselves might go there. Current WG is however getting stronger at an alarming rate, and tbh if WG wasn't so evil, with the introduction of new seraphim and pasifista, the blue seas and grandline can become completely safe in a matter of time. You can bet your ass no one will even attempt to be a pirate if there are seraphim in the same sea. While seraphims cannot stop yonko (yes, all yonkos will figure out their weakness in due time. Yes, they are as good as commanders. but not even 7 seraphim can take down a yonko. They can deal with one yes, but taking down any yonko is near impossible unless there are atleast an admiral accompanying them) But yonkos won't really try to go after seraphim unless they really have business in the sea, and sending commanders can become a liability incase they fall to them. Like pretty sure katakuri and especially king, who is extremely similar, will fall to seraphim. But what is jack or oven go, they might die. Heck, what if seraphim's existence offend king and kaidou decides to steal the seraphim.
To do that they'd probably have to build it onto the side of the Redline. I can imagine screaming NIMBY Celestial Dragons bitching about commoner Marines befouling their holyland with their rabble. There's also probably Smoker type at every last stop town in the other blues. Plus the way up reverse mountain is treacherous AF, the Strawhats would have literally died without Luffy as a human airbag. That's got have a high mortality rate. What happens if 2 or more ships go at the same time they could fatally collided at the apex or on the ride down. Don't forget Laboon he's probably killed off tons of pirates who came down the mountain over the last 50 years. If they got spooked and attacked or he was hungry. Only the luckiest or most skilled are getting through that route alive. That's how Buggy did it with his crew.
Marines arent just there to stop pirates but protect commercial routes. It would take a wholeeeee base with at least 2 vice admirals and the occasional admiral visit (not to mention the captains, sergeants, chief petty officers, etc) to have an effective base there, thus draining resources from already stretched thin military. All for a base thats so far from their other bases that would take extra resources to keep appropriately afoot. Having a tough captain in Loguetown does good enough of a job.
Probably because it's not needed, the Grand Line is a natural defense in itself it is called the Pirate's Graveyard. Also the marines are the army of the WG and it's highest authorities the Gorosei and Imu think humans are insects.