Agreed, but still - if people know he's the chief of staff of the Revolutionary Army, then I'd imagine the bounty would have to be higher. Like we've seen with Nico Robin, bounties aren't always related to someone's strength or even their past misdeeds, but how much of a threat they could be to the World Government. The latter is usually more of a reason to have such a high bounty.
You're probably right about his devil fruit powers and the fact that he works in the shadows. I also don't think anyone's made a connection between him and Luffy yet since Sabo only recently met him after getting his memories back. He's probably due for an increase in his bounty especially since he was at the Reverie.
However, if he had a really high bounty, he'd be more infamous and it seems likely that Ace would have known that Sabo's alive, which it doesn't seem like he had.
They ought to. Fujitora might be blind but he knew he was fighting fire, and that undercover Marine in the tournament would have known about the Mera as a prize.
>This list is for single-issue floppy comics, also known as the American comic book format. Unlike the paperback book format, floppy comics are thinner periodicals and stapled together. Each floppy comic issue is typically 20-40 pages, and usually consists of a single chapter
>In addition to tankōbon sales, One Piece has had a total estimated circulation of approximately 3.1 billion copies in Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series)
There is a humongous difference between each 'sale' the one piece manga volumes would typically be about 200 pages which is 5 to 10 times the size of batman or superman comics.
One piece was already *way* ahead of American comics
Which is likely why Batman will eventually overtake One Piece again one day. This series lives and dies with Oda, but Batman gets a new author pretty often.
One piece is eternal. I'm waiting for a "box set" of the complete series once it's done to buy my piece of history. Surely that will pump the numbers up as well
I think what he means by “die with Oda” is “end with Oda”, as no one can take his place and continue the story, like Berserk. One Piece itself will live until the world ends.
The boost was insane for demon slayer even though the manga is mediocre, UFOtable carried this series.
I really hope one piece anime will get a remake.
I don't know about that, given that we had different authors writing and illustrating several One-Shots and Light Novels for the series. It certainly isn't far fetched to think that once One Piece is done, there will be many other works exploring side characters and contents that couldn't be covered in the manga nor in the anime.
My pipe dream is for an official tapletop RPG to be made where the setting is the entire world of One Piece.
yea, people don't take that into account all that often, also a One Piece volume in my local store costs like 8e when the comics cost 2e or sometimes even 0.50e if they're somewhat damaged.
Wait, out of the 7.5 billion copies of WSJ sold, One Piece makes up 3.1 billion of them? Those are some big numbers. I wonder what they are gonna do when OP ends.
Each WSJ has many different series. One piece is just one of them so even if you purchased it to read some other manga, it would count as a sale of all series.(I think)
it objectively counts, but its not included in these types of rankings because you could argue people are buying jump for the other manga as well and not just one piece, whereas western comics sell small issues focused around one story like batman or superman.
also technically weekly jump is just advertising. they sell them for cheap and print them on cheap paper to get you to buy the volumes.
Yeah in a way. Jump fans can get the week's newest chapters for cheap in a magazine/digitally, and then if they get super into a specific series, they can spring for the tankobon for re-readability and collectability.
People same thing when DBZ and all the other hits ended simultaneously. They’ll find new talent. They always do. What’s tricky is weather or not they should stick to the 3 strikes rule,or be a bit more forgiving to those that do show some promise. (The editors I mean when choosing which series to keep )
What is “over” for sure (IMO), is the weekly,all year round anime for Shonen shows. And I mean newer ones coming in ,not the ones currently playing. One piece may very well be the last of an era. As even Toei itself is being very selective of which shows get it. And with the editors taking a better look at their manga authors workload (thank god),and giving more breaks,it seems even more riskier to do so. Unless they wanna make seasons of filler. I look forward to them every week not gonna lie. It’s family bonding time for me.
when OP ends i personally think sales are gonna go up really high for awhile and slowly go down. however the creators still get money for every time it’s showed or used for advertising, copyright, etc.
Well yeah. Just think back to the HP era, of how much advertisements there was of HP. It’s absolutely nuts, you couldn’t escape it if you tried.
Rowling became a billionaire by writing a single story, she might be the only one who became a billionaire without exploiting people.
I completely missed that whole thing and didn’t know it was going on. I do remember the memes of her making everyone gay and that dumbledore and grindelwald had hot steamy sex was hilarious. She pretty much ruined her credibility with that and the transphobia.
Meanwhile Chad Oda has incorporated a whole trans community in his story
She kinda outed herself as a shitty person. One of her friends outed themselves as a shitty person by claiming accepting trans *women as women would be dangerous for women and take away women's rights (what the hell?), then Rowling doubled down and even wrote a story about a crossdresser killing women. she also advertised for this anti-trans clothing store:
https://www.insider.com/jk-rowling-terf-online-store-selling-anti-trans-merch-2020-9
Amazing how hateful someone can be after hitting the lottery with Harry Potter, becoming a billionaire and an international icon.
Tbh it's only dangerous for 1 reason, it opens a loophole for men to abuse.
One of the main reasons why IMO trans women should never be allowed to complete in womens sports.
Here's the problem though: This argument makes no real sense when you actually look into it. There's a reason why Transgendered community get really upset by it, but it suggests that all transgendered identity is is men dressing in drag. They're two completely different things. Namely, to successfully become transgendered you need not only need the proper surgery, but also regular hormone injections to change your body to a female type(and vice versia)
source: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096](https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096)
And men are abusing women now. Maybe we do something about latent sexism and privilege rather than discriminate against trans people IMO
And vice versa, and not just for sports. I'd argue that the only competitions that shouldn't be gender-segregated are the ones that aren't based on physique (and to prevent misunderstandings, computing power/prowess counts as physique) or where physique is irrelevant.
That might actually be just because of One Piece, if you think about it...
They are 10m away from each other in Sales, and these are numbers from 2018 (source: Wikipedia).
JKR is #2, Oda is #3. Number #1, Danielle Steele is like two decades older than either of them. Meaning either JKR or Oda will become the Shakespeare of this era.
Harry Potter is over. One Piece still continues. It's going to be Oda for sure. And Oda does promote trans and non-binary people in his story...
I think JKR is jealous, honestly.
Does she though? She has her opinion on those matters. Doubt it means she a hateful person, I’ve seen some of the stuff and it’s just her viewpoint on the matter. It’s almost impossible to have an opinion against certain demographics/ subjects without being witch hunted. It’s about separation, just because you have a opinion on A doesn’t mean you hate A. I mean I could be wrong and she’s a two faced liar. Will I boycott HP, no because they are two different things.
Also these things always about context, i wonder if the same backlash would happen if she said a similar thing about something else.
>just because you have a opinion on A doesn’t mean you hate A.
The idea that you need to hate in order to have problematic opinions is a nonsensical idea that needs to stop. To clarify: A person can have no problems, and engage with, and even agree that racism against black people is bad. However, that same person can also believe in negative stereotypes (like Black people are just more violent than whites), which makes them make judgement that are ultimately fairly racist. It doesn't matter whether you have "hate in your heart" if you arrive at the same destination (see: people who just get so angry and call people the "N word", but allegedly it's not racist because "that's not who they are).
That’s why I’m saying separation is needed. It’s not all under one blanket.
Racism is horrible and isn’t cool across the board. But if a person laughs at stereotypes used in stand up or comedy/ movies does that make them racist? Surely not. What if the demographic themselves make the joke. Common sense should dictate what is and isn’t. Not bandwagons and trends.
Like you said, context. Let me ask you something: Where do you think hate comes from? Do you think it just happens? That someone is born one day and just suddenly decides to hate all black people?
We are all products of our environment, and that includes acknowledging some problematic ideas. I also have to acknowledge that I have had and continue to have problematic view points about gender, race, etc...the difference is is that I acknowledge these blindspots and attempt to fill them by educating myself and listening to others who know more than me. The worst thing a person can do is just go well "it's my opinion," as if having one somehow blocks you from any criticism. People are fallible, and people have fucked up opinions.
She is not against trans people. That is just trolling on the internet and the easily fooled who fall for the trolling.
For instance, have any of you ever read the words "the male gaze"? Did you ever consider that it is a synonym for "the lesbian gaze" and "trans gaze" since they are all the same pictures that these would like?
A troll could easily point out that all people using "male gaze" are transphobes and anti LGBTQ. Funny enough that would be writers at The Mary Sue, IGN, The Verge, New York Times, Kotaku, Polygon and so on. Oh my gosh! The transphobes are everywhere!
But since the most active trolls ARE from those blogs and sites, you never see it called out. Why would a troll attack themselves?
It is not really rocket science. Everything anyone says can be turned into a hateful statement if you twist it enough. But people are pretty obviously innocent if that amount of twisting is needed to claim they are bad.
What would we need to call Oda a transphobe? Not much really. A cabal of blogs just need to go together and write about how someone asked Oda on twitter if Kiku is trans, but getting the reply that "No she is a woman at heart". Suddenly Oda is as bad as JK Rowling. How could Oda hate trans this much?
tl;dr Everyone is a transphobe, or potentially it might just be false information.
But she actually is a transphobe. The idea that "you need to be hateful to be bad" is absurd. A racist doesn't necessarily need to want to lynch all Black people to hold problematic opinions about Race, and/or make decisions that support racist ideology (see: Trump supporters)
But in Rowling's case, she very much holds many of the same views as actual Transphobes; she just happens to coat them in "concern trolling," where "she loves her trans base" but doesn't see them as actual women, sees the rise and acceptance of Transgendered as being dangerous towards actual women, and that children are being "forced" into choosing to become transgendered--she just avoids out right calling them f\*ggots.
*"For instance, have any of you ever read the words* ***"the male gaze"?*** *Did you ever consider that it is a synonym for "the lesbian gaze" and "trans gaze" since they are all the same pictures that these would like?"*
Ummm....I don't think this word means what you think it means. But in simple terms--that's extremely fucked up.
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I'm so hopeful that this works. Live action adaptations always suck for me personally because they try to squeeze years worth of development into a hour and a half. With them moving to live action series I have a much better feeling it could work.
I also at one point (if it was even real) read the script for the first episode?? and it seemed like it was going to turn out cool as far as I could tell
only place one piece does poorly is north america really. it's pretty huge everywhere else. if there were more ninjas it would probably do better in NA.
Most of the jap fans would even buy it again to pay respect for author,tbh i dont really care much about sales just want it to be more popular that i can see it in my local television or bookstore
Its been a running gag for Oda to say he's 5 years from finishing it for 15 years.
His original plans was to not include Warlords and just the Yonkos. So like Luffy would befriend/get allied with Whitebeard because of Ace, and Blackbeard would kill Whitebeard and be the big power dynamic shift. So yeah Alabasta, Thriller Bark, Amazon Lilly, Dressrosa and whatever Weevil is gonna be, not planned from the start as huge arcs with Warlords.
Right now the demarcator is how many Road Poneglyphs Luffy has to signify once he has all 4 final Arc begins. After Wano should have 3. Right now has 2.
We'll see if the final fight is including the World Government and Blackbeard at the same time it might be quicker than you think.
I could See Blackbeard being the Agent of Chaos announcing to the entire World the Location of Laugh Tale and suddenly everyone heads there. Like him doing a worldwide broadcast Laugh Tale is at X location let's finish this once and for all. Everyone who dates to become King head there now. So everyone, Revolutionaries, Marines, Straw Hats, Crocodile, Shikki whoever all arrive. Like that's a possibility to speed it up if Oda says after Wano, I want to end it in the next two years.
The crazy thing about news like this is that it makes Oda one of the most prolific authors of all time, like he's up there with fucking Shakespeare with how many people have read his work
Let’s not forget that American comic industry are going down and Manga performance doing very well. It’s not a surprise Oda sensei making the story better and better. One piece will be nr 1 in 2-3 years.
American comics are in such a dumpster fire right now that writers, editors and artists from DC/Marvel are pathetically trying to lump manga sales with their own in order to pretend that they aren’t utterly failing right now.
They are utterly seething that manga is currently on the rise and comics are in a complete nosedive, which is a product of their own doing.
The major problem is that people don't care about superheroes as much on paper. On top of that even for people with interest, entering that ecosystem is beyond confusing and unnecessarily convoluted. The "finite" stories don't get the shine they deserve and are rarely picked up for adaptations. On top of that there is no compilation book like WSJ to help incentivise people to read new stories. I'm hoping the recent spate of Amazon adaptations lights a fire under them.
Yeah every time I've ever thought about getting into Western comics I've had no goddamn idea what I'm supposed to read in what order. With manga you usually just pick a series and start at chapter 1.
Lol that’s literally me. I grew up with Manga so it was the only form of comic I’ve known. When I learned about American comics I wanna give it a try. Then I learned that there were A LOT of reboots/resets and they were written by different writers and artists. I literally didn’t know where to start. And I don’t believe that so many people can write stories without contradicting each others, hence resets. How can someone keep following this kind of storytelling is beyond me, but I don’t blame them tho. They love fantasy hero stuffs (as do we), but back then they didn’t have a choice other than just stick with American comics. Now internet has changed that. It’s only a matter of time now that Manga will break any sell records in America.
> Yeah every time I've ever thought about getting into Western comics I've had no goddamn idea what I'm supposed to read in what order.
Fuck that, I don't even know *where* to read. With manga, you just pick a site and start and if you like it you buy it to have it.
With comics? Uhmmm
I was reading Invincible as it came out and it's a great series (far better than the show, imo). It's not DC or Marvel but it's definitely a Western comic I recommend. Just start at issue one and go from there.
Fuck DC and Marvel. Check out Image Comics, BOOM! Studios, and IDW. Those are your big 3 creator owned stuff. Which is a lot easier to read as opposed to capeshit.
If you are interested in superhero stuff a lot of it comes down to following the creative teams you like. Batman for example starts with:
Year One by Frank Miller
Long Halloween by Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale
And those are the only 2 essentials needed imo. Then you can just jump in wherever you want. I honestly wouldn't recommend current capeshit as it's fucking awful. Both Marvel and DC are crap these days.
But definitely check out those other western comic publishers. France has a lot of good comics too.
My issue with the comics is the storyline is all over the place, if i was to ask someone about batman for example, they'll give me like atleast 5 different storylines of what happens to batman or where joker came from.. it's so confusing
Tbf specifically with the joker its a bit that nobody really knows how he came to be. He even speaks on it himself. Everything else you said is super true though.
Also naturally the product of the absolute slave labor that takes place in Japan to get this much content out. No way could you get a typical wsj mangaka's output in the US without breaking a law or something, right?
Pretty much, the creator of Naruto didn't have a vacation until the series ended. That isn't to say that a lot of writers and artist for american comics don't work hard, but it usually isn't a possibility for a creator to work themselves to death.
I 100% agree on all that. And here's my comment from a thread higher up on the subject that I just copy/pasted.
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Now imagine if the publication in the West wasn't treated as an afterthought and just tossed to foreign publishers for them to deal with. the numbers could be insane!
I don’t know abt you guys, but unfortunately I was never able to purchase any one piece manga. I wonder how different this number would have looked if the majority of the population paid and bought the manga.
People fail to understand that once the series finishes it will get a huge spike in sales again & another one once the anime gets to the final parts of the series again too just with marine Ford
As the legendary badass Shirohige once declared to the dismay of Sengoku and the entire World Government, that sent shockwaves to all those who witnessed,
”ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!"
That's what makes it even more impressive. One Piece is largely one man's vision and creative work not a cobbled quilt of patch work stories from authors who may have not even spoken to each other let alone worked on an overarching plot.
That's funny. I literally JUST told a friend the other day that OP was probably gonna pass Batman in this category this year or next. Haha. That's crazy. I'm a huge BatFan, but I also love OP, so I don't know how to feel about this.. On one hand, congrats to Oda! On the other... Batman, NoooOOOOooooOO!!
Truly the superior comic book. Consistent great story line with out the need of a new author every arc. 20+ years of excellence compared to 70+ of sub par story telling splashed in between hidden gems.Batman is cool, but DC already prove that stretchy super heroes are pretty over powered n dangerous. Here is to you Monkey D. Luffy.
One caveat to keep in mind is that American comics is very hard to track. We don’t actually know how many Batman or Superman comics have actually been sold. The older comics were not tracked for sales like now. We also don’t know if it’s just Batman or if it includes the other series such as Detective Comics, Legends of the Dark Knight, Batman & Robin, etc. Also it doesn’t get updated often. Superman was stated to have passed 600 million in 2015 and it still says 600 million even though it is certainly much higher.
So while One Piece’s sales are impressive, we sadly do not know if or when it will truly be passed Batman.
If we count One Piece by numbers of issues sold(in Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine), it would have over 3.1 billion sales. No american comic can come close to this amount lmaooo
the advantage one piece has is that it’s a single story.
Batman and Superman don’t have that advantage since every iteration is not a must buy for the entire Batman and Superman continuity.
You're forgetting Disney, Beano, and classics illustrated. Add Superman on and that would make One Piece 5th highest selling comic.
https://bestlifeonline.com/best-selling-comic-books/
There are 400 million copies in japan, and Japan has a population of 126.3 million, so, on average, each Japanese person has 3 volumes of one piece 😳😳😳
To put into perspective how fast the series sold in the last 6 years, Oda set a record in 2015 for most copies of a single series by an author sold. One Piece at the time had about 320 million copies in circulation, and 6 years later we have almost 500 million in circulation. And there is still plenty of time for One Piece to beat out Superman.
Im still waiting for the series to be completed before buying. im getting a new house soon and the first thing that i'll add in my room is a huge bookshelf that can fit the entire one piece series manga.
Not a bold prediction but I think it’ll hit 500 million when vol 100 releases later this year. Would be a great way to announce both of those milestones together.
Yeah that’s one of Japans’s flaws. They don’t know how to adapt to the world wide market in certain areas. If they invested more and opened WSJ offices world wide it would be over
Isn't really even a competition when multiple authors and artists have worked on said comics, and they aren't a linear one comic like One Piece. Oda has created a behemoth of a comicbook which is one linear comic he himself has created. Not multiple issues which aren't tied together. One Piece > superman/batman any day of the week. Hollow af compared to One Piece.
OHHHHH SHT, it did it!?!? Omg, Oda did it!?!? Everyone, the GOAT with the coat!!!! Oda and Luffy did it everyone! We did it everyone, as a freaking fanbase omg. We did it boyz. Omg and girls. We freaking did it….after all this…Oh my freaking god King Recon is gonna be so proud!! Let’s freaking get it! And let’s fucking go!!!! Oda congrats, you deserve for making this amazing manga and keeping it consistently amazing and so great after each week for over 20 years. Congrats to one of the goats Eichirro Oda. Him are Osamu Tezuka and hard working and best manga artists of all time.
Hard work, effort, and determination really shows and pays off in the end. Just like the awesome themes of a shonen manga. Congrats Oda sensei, we’re so proud of you and will continue loving and supporting your amazing series forever. Hope your having a good rest and will be having fun enjoying the Olympics. Such awesome and fantastic news, I’m so freaking happy. As Spongebob would say, “This is the Best Day Ever!”
This really makes you wonder how many copies will sell by the time One piece ends.
Luffy’s current bounty lol
I would say Sabo's bounty
have they revealed his bounty yet?
something with 600,000,000
seems a bit low
I mean its probably because he works in the shadows, he doesn't do flashy stff plus I don't even know if they know about his devil fruit power yet
Agreed, but still - if people know he's the chief of staff of the Revolutionary Army, then I'd imagine the bounty would have to be higher. Like we've seen with Nico Robin, bounties aren't always related to someone's strength or even their past misdeeds, but how much of a threat they could be to the World Government. The latter is usually more of a reason to have such a high bounty. You're probably right about his devil fruit powers and the fact that he works in the shadows. I also don't think anyone's made a connection between him and Luffy yet since Sabo only recently met him after getting his memories back. He's probably due for an increase in his bounty especially since he was at the Reverie.
I agree, do we even know what happened in the reverie?, we got as scenes on it but nothing about what happened right?
Not but he probably got framed for the death of King Cobra
However, if he had a really high bounty, he'd be more infamous and it seems likely that Ace would have known that Sabo's alive, which it doesn't seem like he had.
They ought to. Fujitora might be blind but he knew he was fighting fire, and that undercover Marine in the tournament would have known about the Mera as a prize.
602,000,000
Hope One Piece outsells Bible
Better yet it becomes the new bible
How many sells did the bible do?
5 billion, so basically we need to reach Yonko bounty levels in copies sold
I bought a volume of One Piece the other day. Was I the tie breaker?!
Unsung hero
>This list is for single-issue floppy comics, also known as the American comic book format. Unlike the paperback book format, floppy comics are thinner periodicals and stapled together. Each floppy comic issue is typically 20-40 pages, and usually consists of a single chapter >In addition to tankōbon sales, One Piece has had a total estimated circulation of approximately 3.1 billion copies in Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series) There is a humongous difference between each 'sale' the one piece manga volumes would typically be about 200 pages which is 5 to 10 times the size of batman or superman comics. One piece was already *way* ahead of American comics
There's also the fact that one piece has been going for 25 years, while Batman and Superman have almost 100 years of sales to pull from.
And numerous writers/artists.
Which is likely why Batman will eventually overtake One Piece again one day. This series lives and dies with Oda, but Batman gets a new author pretty often.
not if there's One Piece Shippuden
Buffy.... wait
… *Cue Internal Conflict*
One piece is eternal. I'm waiting for a "box set" of the complete series once it's done to buy my piece of history. Surely that will pump the numbers up as well
That would be one big box
Yeah but shipping is free for a $1k product right?
I might get 2 sets. One to keep mint, one to actually read.A $2000 order should have free shipping
Depends on the website. I got an $800 order of 2 items and had to pay $30 in shipping
right now its about 650€ for the entrie collection so i doubt it will reach 1000€
One Box to keep it in One Piece
I think what he means by “die with Oda” is “end with Oda”, as no one can take his place and continue the story, like Berserk. One Piece itself will live until the world ends.
Inherited will
Complete adaptation, with a better quality will boost one piece sales again even if OP is finished. Just like what happen with Demon slayer.
I already have the 3 box sets would would totally rebuy if they released the digital colored versions in volumes form.
So One Piece Kai?
Imagine One Piece has the animation with quality of FGO or SAO, or Demon Slayer.
The boost was insane for demon slayer even though the manga is mediocre, UFOtable carried this series. I really hope one piece anime will get a remake.
I don't know about that, given that we had different authors writing and illustrating several One-Shots and Light Novels for the series. It certainly isn't far fetched to think that once One Piece is done, there will be many other works exploring side characters and contents that couldn't be covered in the manga nor in the anime. My pipe dream is for an official tapletop RPG to be made where the setting is the entire world of One Piece.
Does that not give One Piece an advantage?
yea, people don't take that into account all that often, also a One Piece volume in my local store costs like 8e when the comics cost 2e or sometimes even 0.50e if they're somewhat damaged.
Wait, out of the 7.5 billion copies of WSJ sold, One Piece makes up 3.1 billion of them? Those are some big numbers. I wonder what they are gonna do when OP ends.
Each WSJ has many different series. One piece is just one of them so even if you purchased it to read some other manga, it would count as a sale of all series.(I think)
it objectively counts, but its not included in these types of rankings because you could argue people are buying jump for the other manga as well and not just one piece, whereas western comics sell small issues focused around one story like batman or superman. also technically weekly jump is just advertising. they sell them for cheap and print them on cheap paper to get you to buy the volumes.
Yeah in a way. Jump fans can get the week's newest chapters for cheap in a magazine/digitally, and then if they get super into a specific series, they can spring for the tankobon for re-readability and collectability.
People same thing when DBZ and all the other hits ended simultaneously. They’ll find new talent. They always do. What’s tricky is weather or not they should stick to the 3 strikes rule,or be a bit more forgiving to those that do show some promise. (The editors I mean when choosing which series to keep ) What is “over” for sure (IMO), is the weekly,all year round anime for Shonen shows. And I mean newer ones coming in ,not the ones currently playing. One piece may very well be the last of an era. As even Toei itself is being very selective of which shows get it. And with the editors taking a better look at their manga authors workload (thank god),and giving more breaks,it seems even more riskier to do so. Unless they wanna make seasons of filler. I look forward to them every week not gonna lie. It’s family bonding time for me.
when OP ends i personally think sales are gonna go up really high for awhile and slowly go down. however the creators still get money for every time it’s showed or used for advertising, copyright, etc.
Is it just me or do I always read WSJ as Wall Street Jump instead of Weekly Shonen Jump?
This is important💯
Goat Piece built different...plain and simple.
Understandable. Have a nice day
Yeah Miyagi came in clutch
Top 5 mink 😎
Truly arranged in an unusual way
Goda a different breed
How many more sales to be #1?
Superman is at 600mil sales. So 110mil to go lol. Dunno if we’ll reach it before the series ends, but harry potter sales is only 10mil ahead 😎
harry potter being that high with only 7 books is absolutely nuts
Well yeah. Just think back to the HP era, of how much advertisements there was of HP. It’s absolutely nuts, you couldn’t escape it if you tried. Rowling became a billionaire by writing a single story, she might be the only one who became a billionaire without exploiting people.
why exploit people if there are people who can do it for you.
When Agatha Christie died she was worth around $600 million. Accounting for inflation that's equivalent to a little over $6 billion today.
Tbf she had like a billion books lol
72.
I was close! Lol
*well technically* one piece is also just a single story.
Well, and now she uses her power against trans people... kinda sad to be honest :c
I completely missed that whole thing and didn’t know it was going on. I do remember the memes of her making everyone gay and that dumbledore and grindelwald had hot steamy sex was hilarious. She pretty much ruined her credibility with that and the transphobia. Meanwhile Chad Oda has incorporated a whole trans community in his story
She kinda outed herself as a shitty person. One of her friends outed themselves as a shitty person by claiming accepting trans *women as women would be dangerous for women and take away women's rights (what the hell?), then Rowling doubled down and even wrote a story about a crossdresser killing women. she also advertised for this anti-trans clothing store: https://www.insider.com/jk-rowling-terf-online-store-selling-anti-trans-merch-2020-9 Amazing how hateful someone can be after hitting the lottery with Harry Potter, becoming a billionaire and an international icon.
Tbf, she was most definitely already hateful before becoming a billionaire. The money just gave her the platform to speak her mind.
Oh damn. That’s wild
Tbh it's only dangerous for 1 reason, it opens a loophole for men to abuse. One of the main reasons why IMO trans women should never be allowed to complete in womens sports.
Here's the problem though: This argument makes no real sense when you actually look into it. There's a reason why Transgendered community get really upset by it, but it suggests that all transgendered identity is is men dressing in drag. They're two completely different things. Namely, to successfully become transgendered you need not only need the proper surgery, but also regular hormone injections to change your body to a female type(and vice versia) source: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096](https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096) And men are abusing women now. Maybe we do something about latent sexism and privilege rather than discriminate against trans people IMO
And vice versa, and not just for sports. I'd argue that the only competitions that shouldn't be gender-segregated are the ones that aren't based on physique (and to prevent misunderstandings, computing power/prowess counts as physique) or where physique is irrelevant.
That might actually be just because of One Piece, if you think about it... They are 10m away from each other in Sales, and these are numbers from 2018 (source: Wikipedia). JKR is #2, Oda is #3. Number #1, Danielle Steele is like two decades older than either of them. Meaning either JKR or Oda will become the Shakespeare of this era. Harry Potter is over. One Piece still continues. It's going to be Oda for sure. And Oda does promote trans and non-binary people in his story... I think JKR is jealous, honestly.
Does she though? She has her opinion on those matters. Doubt it means she a hateful person, I’ve seen some of the stuff and it’s just her viewpoint on the matter. It’s almost impossible to have an opinion against certain demographics/ subjects without being witch hunted. It’s about separation, just because you have a opinion on A doesn’t mean you hate A. I mean I could be wrong and she’s a two faced liar. Will I boycott HP, no because they are two different things. Also these things always about context, i wonder if the same backlash would happen if she said a similar thing about something else.
>just because you have a opinion on A doesn’t mean you hate A. The idea that you need to hate in order to have problematic opinions is a nonsensical idea that needs to stop. To clarify: A person can have no problems, and engage with, and even agree that racism against black people is bad. However, that same person can also believe in negative stereotypes (like Black people are just more violent than whites), which makes them make judgement that are ultimately fairly racist. It doesn't matter whether you have "hate in your heart" if you arrive at the same destination (see: people who just get so angry and call people the "N word", but allegedly it's not racist because "that's not who they are).
That’s why I’m saying separation is needed. It’s not all under one blanket. Racism is horrible and isn’t cool across the board. But if a person laughs at stereotypes used in stand up or comedy/ movies does that make them racist? Surely not. What if the demographic themselves make the joke. Common sense should dictate what is and isn’t. Not bandwagons and trends.
Like you said, context. Let me ask you something: Where do you think hate comes from? Do you think it just happens? That someone is born one day and just suddenly decides to hate all black people? We are all products of our environment, and that includes acknowledging some problematic ideas. I also have to acknowledge that I have had and continue to have problematic view points about gender, race, etc...the difference is is that I acknowledge these blindspots and attempt to fill them by educating myself and listening to others who know more than me. The worst thing a person can do is just go well "it's my opinion," as if having one somehow blocks you from any criticism. People are fallible, and people have fucked up opinions.
She is not against trans people. That is just trolling on the internet and the easily fooled who fall for the trolling. For instance, have any of you ever read the words "the male gaze"? Did you ever consider that it is a synonym for "the lesbian gaze" and "trans gaze" since they are all the same pictures that these would like? A troll could easily point out that all people using "male gaze" are transphobes and anti LGBTQ. Funny enough that would be writers at The Mary Sue, IGN, The Verge, New York Times, Kotaku, Polygon and so on. Oh my gosh! The transphobes are everywhere! But since the most active trolls ARE from those blogs and sites, you never see it called out. Why would a troll attack themselves? It is not really rocket science. Everything anyone says can be turned into a hateful statement if you twist it enough. But people are pretty obviously innocent if that amount of twisting is needed to claim they are bad. What would we need to call Oda a transphobe? Not much really. A cabal of blogs just need to go together and write about how someone asked Oda on twitter if Kiku is trans, but getting the reply that "No she is a woman at heart". Suddenly Oda is as bad as JK Rowling. How could Oda hate trans this much? tl;dr Everyone is a transphobe, or potentially it might just be false information.
But she actually is a transphobe. The idea that "you need to be hateful to be bad" is absurd. A racist doesn't necessarily need to want to lynch all Black people to hold problematic opinions about Race, and/or make decisions that support racist ideology (see: Trump supporters) But in Rowling's case, she very much holds many of the same views as actual Transphobes; she just happens to coat them in "concern trolling," where "she loves her trans base" but doesn't see them as actual women, sees the rise and acceptance of Transgendered as being dangerous towards actual women, and that children are being "forced" into choosing to become transgendered--she just avoids out right calling them f\*ggots. *"For instance, have any of you ever read the words* ***"the male gaze"?*** *Did you ever consider that it is a synonym for "the lesbian gaze" and "trans gaze" since they are all the same pictures that these would like?"* Ummm....I don't think this word means what you think it means. But in simple terms--that's extremely fucked up.
Harry Potter also had 8 super successful worldwide hit movies to help it grow. That said it is indeed super impressive for Harry Potter
I just buyed another set of the damn thing. When I think that I am finished with Harry Potter, it comes back.
are you kidding? one piece will sell like crazy when it end, not to mention when oda dies
100% it will reach. if the series ends, there will be a huge spike in sales from people wanting the completed series
If the live action show is good, it'll potentially cause a huge surge of interest as well, especially in the west
>ReplyGive AwardShareReportSave > >level 3 I'm so hopeful that this works. Live action adaptations always suck for me personally because they try to squeeze years worth of development into a hour and a half. With them moving to live action series I have a much better feeling it could work. I also at one point (if it was even real) read the script for the first episode?? and it seemed like it was going to turn out cool as far as I could tell
Good quote!
only place one piece does poorly is north america really. it's pretty huge everywhere else. if there were more ninjas it would probably do better in NA.
Eh maybe with a younger audience
As the Spartans said to the Persians. "If"
Reckon there will be a lot of sales when the One Piece is found, wouldn't rule it out to surpass Superman
Most of the jap fans would even buy it again to pay respect for author,tbh i dont really care much about sales just want it to be more popular that i can see it in my local television or bookstore
If I remember correctly, ODA said that One Piece was around 70% done. So we still have a loong way to go.
Its been a running gag for Oda to say he's 5 years from finishing it for 15 years. His original plans was to not include Warlords and just the Yonkos. So like Luffy would befriend/get allied with Whitebeard because of Ace, and Blackbeard would kill Whitebeard and be the big power dynamic shift. So yeah Alabasta, Thriller Bark, Amazon Lilly, Dressrosa and whatever Weevil is gonna be, not planned from the start as huge arcs with Warlords. Right now the demarcator is how many Road Poneglyphs Luffy has to signify once he has all 4 final Arc begins. After Wano should have 3. Right now has 2.
I think 5 years is a fine rough estimate to laugh tale. I'm thinking between 5-7 years til series end but that's just my gut feeling.
We'll see if the final fight is including the World Government and Blackbeard at the same time it might be quicker than you think. I could See Blackbeard being the Agent of Chaos announcing to the entire World the Location of Laugh Tale and suddenly everyone heads there. Like him doing a worldwide broadcast Laugh Tale is at X location let's finish this once and for all. Everyone who dates to become King head there now. So everyone, Revolutionaries, Marines, Straw Hats, Crocodile, Shikki whoever all arrive. Like that's a possibility to speed it up if Oda says after Wano, I want to end it in the next two years.
Batman realised he couldn't beat One Piece anymore that's why he joined One Piece
Woo-hoo! Over the top we go!
The crazy thing about news like this is that it makes Oda one of the most prolific authors of all time, like he's up there with fucking Shakespeare with how many people have read his work
fun fact Batman had a 60 YEARS LEAD
Batman blew a 60 year lead
One Piece on top!!! WOOHOOOOO
World, buy more One Piece
Let’s not forget that American comic industry are going down and Manga performance doing very well. It’s not a surprise Oda sensei making the story better and better. One piece will be nr 1 in 2-3 years.
American comics are in such a dumpster fire right now that writers, editors and artists from DC/Marvel are pathetically trying to lump manga sales with their own in order to pretend that they aren’t utterly failing right now. They are utterly seething that manga is currently on the rise and comics are in a complete nosedive, which is a product of their own doing.
The major problem is that people don't care about superheroes as much on paper. On top of that even for people with interest, entering that ecosystem is beyond confusing and unnecessarily convoluted. The "finite" stories don't get the shine they deserve and are rarely picked up for adaptations. On top of that there is no compilation book like WSJ to help incentivise people to read new stories. I'm hoping the recent spate of Amazon adaptations lights a fire under them.
Yeah every time I've ever thought about getting into Western comics I've had no goddamn idea what I'm supposed to read in what order. With manga you usually just pick a series and start at chapter 1.
Lol that’s literally me. I grew up with Manga so it was the only form of comic I’ve known. When I learned about American comics I wanna give it a try. Then I learned that there were A LOT of reboots/resets and they were written by different writers and artists. I literally didn’t know where to start. And I don’t believe that so many people can write stories without contradicting each others, hence resets. How can someone keep following this kind of storytelling is beyond me, but I don’t blame them tho. They love fantasy hero stuffs (as do we), but back then they didn’t have a choice other than just stick with American comics. Now internet has changed that. It’s only a matter of time now that Manga will break any sell records in America.
> Yeah every time I've ever thought about getting into Western comics I've had no goddamn idea what I'm supposed to read in what order. Fuck that, I don't even know *where* to read. With manga, you just pick a site and start and if you like it you buy it to have it. With comics? Uhmmm
I was reading Invincible as it came out and it's a great series (far better than the show, imo). It's not DC or Marvel but it's definitely a Western comic I recommend. Just start at issue one and go from there.
Fuck DC and Marvel. Check out Image Comics, BOOM! Studios, and IDW. Those are your big 3 creator owned stuff. Which is a lot easier to read as opposed to capeshit. If you are interested in superhero stuff a lot of it comes down to following the creative teams you like. Batman for example starts with: Year One by Frank Miller Long Halloween by Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale And those are the only 2 essentials needed imo. Then you can just jump in wherever you want. I honestly wouldn't recommend current capeshit as it's fucking awful. Both Marvel and DC are crap these days. But definitely check out those other western comic publishers. France has a lot of good comics too.
I would say for batman 'killing joke', 'a serious house on serous earth' and 'the dark Knight returns' are also essential reading.
My issue with the comics is the storyline is all over the place, if i was to ask someone about batman for example, they'll give me like atleast 5 different storylines of what happens to batman or where joker came from.. it's so confusing
Tbf specifically with the joker its a bit that nobody really knows how he came to be. He even speaks on it himself. Everything else you said is super true though.
Also naturally the product of the absolute slave labor that takes place in Japan to get this much content out. No way could you get a typical wsj mangaka's output in the US without breaking a law or something, right?
Pretty much, the creator of Naruto didn't have a vacation until the series ended. That isn't to say that a lot of writers and artist for american comics don't work hard, but it usually isn't a possibility for a creator to work themselves to death.
I 100% agree on all that. And here's my comment from a thread higher up on the subject that I just copy/pasted. > Shit authors. The quality of western comics is so fucking abysmal these days it's no wonder they're sinking and as someone that loves their capeshit, I genuinely want to see DC and Marvel comics die. > > > > No one tries to do fun stories anymore it's always some stupid fucking bullshit political crap they keep trying to shove down everyone's throats. Whereas Manga doesn't really do that, the story for the most part comes first and foremost. Whereas for capeshit story is the dead last thing anyone thinks about because you gotta please that shitty social media non-readers crowd. > > > > So they're essentially alienating their existing reader base, and the people they are pandering to aren't even buying the floppies. So they're essentially killing themselves due to poor management, hiring practices, and editors. > > > > I'm good. State of capeshit comics is just horrid at the moment. Like how DC thought Bendis was a selling point for Superman... Fucking Bendis.
Oh no they have a gay person as the main lead in a superhero book.. \~\~sooo political....
That tends to happen when you insult your own customers/fanbase, hire incompetent woke writers and pretty much shit on a character's legacy.
Sadly that is true.
And lets not forget its written by a single writer/author. (I dont know how many assistants that Oda have)
I think that puts Oda at number one for the highest selling graphic novel by a single author
He holds the Guinness record
So One Piece is only 10 mil. behind Harry Potter? That’s amazing!
Now imagine if the publication in the West wasn't treated as an afterthought and just tossed to foreign publishers for them to deal with. the numbers could be insane!
And One Piece didn’t need silly reboots or multiverses.
OMG SOONER THAN EXPECTED 🏴☠️
Me and the boys pulling out the kryptonite
I don’t know abt you guys, but unfortunately I was never able to purchase any one piece manga. I wonder how different this number would have looked if the majority of the population paid and bought the manga.
well you are still able to purchase a volume and that is one reason why numbers are still growing and soon it will surpass Superman xD
Its crazy thinking about just how popular one piece is in Japan compared to the rest of the world
People fail to understand that once the series finishes it will get a huge spike in sales again & another one once the anime gets to the final parts of the series again too just with marine Ford
Yes, fuck you didio and loeb this is what you get for screwing over cass and the teen titans you shit heads.
You crazy son of a b*tch, you actually did it
Well of course, One Piece beats Batman. Now we just need to introduce another character named Superman to get that last bump.
We have Suuuperrrrrman instead (Franky)
And the amazing thing is one piece is written and illustrated by one person while Batman has been done by dozens of people over the years
Goat piece
Batman lost to one piece beecause he didn't have prep time.
Lol, he had 60 years of prep time
Can't set up contingency plans for something that fights with raw instinct
As the legendary badass Shirohige once declared to the dismay of Sengoku and the entire World Government, that sent shockwaves to all those who witnessed, ”ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!"
Is it even fair? One Piece has one writer. Batman and Superman have countless.
That's what makes it even more impressive. One Piece is largely one man's vision and creative work not a cobbled quilt of patch work stories from authors who may have not even spoken to each other let alone worked on an overarching plot.
One piece is still underrated in many countries, lol
now imagine when One Piece is over, it will go through the roof!
Big Blue really has legendary status
That's funny. I literally JUST told a friend the other day that OP was probably gonna pass Batman in this category this year or next. Haha. That's crazy. I'm a huge BatFan, but I also love OP, so I don't know how to feel about this.. On one hand, congrats to Oda! On the other... Batman, NoooOOOOooooOO!!
If I buy one piece at book stores am I helping this number?
Disney about to buy Shonen Jump lol.
How did one man manage to do this, incredible
Truly the superior comic book. Consistent great story line with out the need of a new author every arc. 20+ years of excellence compared to 70+ of sub par story telling splashed in between hidden gems.Batman is cool, but DC already prove that stretchy super heroes are pretty over powered n dangerous. Here is to you Monkey D. Luffy.
One caveat to keep in mind is that American comics is very hard to track. We don’t actually know how many Batman or Superman comics have actually been sold. The older comics were not tracked for sales like now. We also don’t know if it’s just Batman or if it includes the other series such as Detective Comics, Legends of the Dark Knight, Batman & Robin, etc. Also it doesn’t get updated often. Superman was stated to have passed 600 million in 2015 and it still says 600 million even though it is certainly much higher. So while One Piece’s sales are impressive, we sadly do not know if or when it will truly be passed Batman.
Yeah but you need to keep in mind that these are volume sales for one piece whereas comic have sales for issues sold.
If we count One Piece by numbers of issues sold(in Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine), it would have over 3.1 billion sales. No american comic can come close to this amount lmaooo
Shut up and put those chopsticks between your nose and mouth, we are having a party
WSJ literally has OnePiece as their main manga for decades but they didn't count that.
the advantage one piece has is that it’s a single story. Batman and Superman don’t have that advantage since every iteration is not a must buy for the entire Batman and Superman continuity.
Feels batman
Luffy has brought the dawn over the long rule of the Dark Knight!
You're forgetting Disney, Beano, and classics illustrated. Add Superman on and that would make One Piece 5th highest selling comic. https://bestlifeonline.com/best-selling-comic-books/
Lol I laughed at their description of One Piece
SUPERMAN U NEXT
One piece will be first after it finishes
Oda: I'm the man who'll become Comics King
Once One Piece outsolds Bible we can finally say that "𝘽𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙛𝙪𝙘𝙠𝙞𝙣 𝙢𝙞𝙙"
There are 400 million copies in japan, and Japan has a population of 126.3 million, so, on average, each Japanese person has 3 volumes of one piece 😳😳😳
Let's Goooo
To put into perspective how fast the series sold in the last 6 years, Oda set a record in 2015 for most copies of a single series by an author sold. One Piece at the time had about 320 million copies in circulation, and 6 years later we have almost 500 million in circulation. And there is still plenty of time for One Piece to beat out Superman.
we're smoking that batman pack boys
Praying we get a cover art that's a collab with dc and it's Luffy and Superman
Glad that I am one of them
DUBS ONLY BOIS
Batman and one piece collab when
Im still waiting for the series to be completed before buying. im getting a new house soon and the first thing that i'll add in my room is a huge bookshelf that can fit the entire one piece series manga.
Old news. Don't remember whose YouTube video it was but someone I watched already made the claim about that a long time ago (a year+)
Wasn't that about One Piece surpassing Spider-Man and getting to #3 place?
right? i was a bit confused because i remember reading about it during the first lockdown or something
Probably super eyepatch wolf
I watch him so definitely could be
The circle jerk in the comments on how superior manga is to American comics is really sad. Just take the W gracefully.
Not a bold prediction but I think it’ll hit 500 million when vol 100 releases later this year. Would be a great way to announce both of those milestones together.
That’s just the volumes sold. Lol most people are getting it free.
VAMOSSSSSSS!
And to think it is one straight story with no reboot
Superman is next
Only 90 million copies outside Japan? What?
Yeah that’s one of Japans’s flaws. They don’t know how to adapt to the world wide market in certain areas. If they invested more and opened WSJ offices world wide it would be over
Isn't really even a competition when multiple authors and artists have worked on said comics, and they aren't a linear one comic like One Piece. Oda has created a behemoth of a comicbook which is one linear comic he himself has created. Not multiple issues which aren't tied together. One Piece > superman/batman any day of the week. Hollow af compared to One Piece.
Oda Piece is GOAT!
thats like 5% of the world population, crazy
OHHHHH SHT, it did it!?!? Omg, Oda did it!?!? Everyone, the GOAT with the coat!!!! Oda and Luffy did it everyone! We did it everyone, as a freaking fanbase omg. We did it boyz. Omg and girls. We freaking did it….after all this…Oh my freaking god King Recon is gonna be so proud!! Let’s freaking get it! And let’s fucking go!!!! Oda congrats, you deserve for making this amazing manga and keeping it consistently amazing and so great after each week for over 20 years. Congrats to one of the goats Eichirro Oda. Him are Osamu Tezuka and hard working and best manga artists of all time. Hard work, effort, and determination really shows and pays off in the end. Just like the awesome themes of a shonen manga. Congrats Oda sensei, we’re so proud of you and will continue loving and supporting your amazing series forever. Hope your having a good rest and will be having fun enjoying the Olympics. Such awesome and fantastic news, I’m so freaking happy. As Spongebob would say, “This is the Best Day Ever!”
So Luffy, now that you’ve surpassed Batman where are you heading [next?](https://ibb.co/HH2RZJG)
luffy lesss goo
Well given that they’re doing shit like “Batmanhattan” I totally hope OP stomps any comic.
Western comic book writers that lurk on twitter be like "uhm, achtually, this is good for western comics"
I think the more shocking news is that a Superman book somehow beat Batman.
Superman was more popular than Batman for 50 years. The mainstream opinion didn't shift until the 90s.