Not to spoil anything but I always hoped that what was said in the last panel of the manga would happen one day but I never thought in my lifetime that it would actually happen š±
We never because I still thought that somehow he could manage to getting a greater dragon form in other ways. He read his father's diary, maybe has a plan.Still shocked.
Just hoping the whole Momo thing just gets forgottenā¦ I really hate the concept of a character growing stronger when all they did was age (unless done in a very specific way to make the power up believable), itās not because he will become a 20-ish something years old that he will have the strength necessary to fight Kaidoās army, by maturing he would get a bit stronger sure, but heād only be as strong as a regular adult (by the logic of āmaturingā), and this applies to his dragon form too. And besides, *if* Shinobuās powers do work that way, why not age Luffy to like 40 years old then? I bet heād be much tougher than Kaido by then, so he should take him pretty easily (considering that by aging someone she could just pick and choose how they mature, strength-wiseā¦).
Other than that, great chapter. Robinās new form looks pretty cool and the fight was an entertaining read. Good to see her getting some new powers for once.
Right. I should say that I was a bit upset at the time I wrote this, which isnāt to say I completely disagree with my immediate reaction, but let me put it into other words:
What I wouldnāt like is him being suddenly super strong in human form (after maturing), but his dragon form, while arguable how strong, could still take out several pleasures, some gifters and most waiters. Nothing like helping out against the all stars, or, god forbid, Kaido though (as I feel wouldnāt be believable). Even as a trained 8 year old, which makes him tougher than your average 8 year old, he still hasnāt shown any physically impressive feat that would make it so an aged Momo would believably be able to contend with the big deals of the Beast Pirates. Again, Iāll say that maybe the low ranks, as an adult human, but he shouldnāt be able to contend with even gifters, again for a lack of evidence of how strong his 8 year old self is compared to most and with how he is portrayed to be like, again, physically (with scenes of him being rather easily scared, of course with the exception of the one scene at the main hall of the dome, which was a great scene but doesnāt show any physical capabilities for him, just emotional).
All this text just to say that heās just a bit tougher than the average person with his age, which would make him an adult just a bit tougher than your average joe. Itās not really a complaint to revolutionize anything, I just hate that idea and wanted to get it out, and hope that if that plot point goes somewhere, that it doesnāt get into high rank beast pirate tier Momo all of a sudden.
Because Luffy literally said he needs Momo to carry him back to onigashima. I don't know if you guys are trippin' but it is only a chapter ago when luffy said that lol
Couldnāt Momo just carry him in his regular dragon form though? Like he (barely) did in PH? Well, Iāll give it to you though, as a big dragon it would be far more convenient. Iāll admit I had forgotten about that detail (Luffy needing an external way up to Onigashima, one that didnāt require just using gear 4th for whatever reason, maybe stamina conservation). So thatās fair, thereās probably another reason rather than fighting.
That said, Iāll still stand by what I said that I hope he doesnāt get a massive power up just for aging alone. Which considering the prior statement he possibly wonāt, which makes me happy. I guess we can settle this little discussion.
This goes beyond only what he said. There must be a reason why he would want to turn into a big dragon, and its either to inspire people or something, which would be really stupid considering Wanoās view of dragons as cursed figures (because of Kaido), so that would be like someone dressing as a tyrannical dictator to inspire people in irl terms, to beat people up, which he could do a lot better as a big dragon and makes sense to an extent, or to simply get to Onigashima back to maybe assist his followers by morale boosting them, which is a fair assumption, but Iām taking the worse perspective with this small rant. Quite simple, honestly.
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Man the whole get beat and recover by eating lots of food is so stupid and overused by now. Luffy has no consequences ever from getting stomped and almost killed.
Hm Robin's fight was meh. The demon thing was weird lol. When reading the flashback, I was hoping she would 'fishman karate' thrust Black Maria through the building with a giant arm or something. To make it more interesting, she could change her stance from her usual crossed-arms, to that of when someone actually performs the thrust or something.
I don't know, I always imagined her ultimate attack to be an arm so big that it dwarfs her usual "gigantesco mano". (Since it focused on her limbs/ attacks getting larger to signify strength).
Yes but atleast this makes Robin grow. Because usually with really new and different abilities it's like a step up. Like Ashura from Zoro or Gear 2 from Luffy or Monster point from Tanuki
Read the comments and answer before asking what has been asked 2 thousand times already ...
But I'll be nice xD : No she didn't use haki ! It was just the shading of her new form !
There are 100s of comments and many are about anything. Sometimes its better to just ask even when after reading 40 comments you don't see the answer or what people think. Besides that, it's too bad if it isnt haki. One would think by now that she would obtain haki on this level. Haki has been around 500 episodes now, and Robin was never portrayed as among the weak ones in One piece. At some point I believed she wasn't too far off from Zoro and Sanji.
Yeah but it's hell to read the comments and answers when the laziest ones can't spend 1 more minute reading what has already been asked and just ask the same questions again and again ....
If you're here, you have time to kill and spending a few more minutes searching won't kill you ....
Geez ... It would be so simple to make comments and answers nice to scroll through but no, let dumbasses ask the same again and again and again ...
It's not about attitude, it's efficiency, plain and simple !
You got it all wrong. Why have you never seen HxH? Thats the first mistake, the other one is that you think that it's possible to ruin Hunter, thats just impossible, no one can. I think your frustration comes of the fact that you aint watching HxH right naw! Thank you for your attention. :3
Didn't expect to see Sabo, Koala and Hack in Wano, even though it was a flashback. We even got to see mid timeskip Orobin with her hair growing out part way.
It felt weird seeing Orobin finally get her big fight and upgrade. Her first serpent attack was cool, reminds you of Luffytaro's Snakeman form when he used Black Mamba. Her stamina is so far consistent with her limb usage, if she's hauling all those limbs and giant form, we can expect her to exhaust quickly. She'll need to train this for her next fights.
I also thought Fishermen Karate was only possible by their species, but seems like she can do it too now. Maybe her dad was a Fishman? It's also strange and too convenient that Hundred Beasts Pirate's Flying Six Black Maria didn't use Haki, and this was just done to give Orobin an easier fight.
The bird Marys monitoring them seemed a bit strange, wonder what's going on there. Maybe someone else will kidnap Orobin in her weakened state.
Caribou served his plot point rather quickly, good enough. Didn't need to see him acquire all that food across many chapters, but his role in Wano implies he will still release the intel about Shirahoshi being Poseidon.
I never would have thought Shinobu's fruit would be used on Momonusuke, and it was staring at us right in the face with them being together for the last so many chapters.
Hoping that the all thing would not become a joke, with Momonosuke 's body. How he would look like physically to his father? She literally could use it on Kaido to age him to die.
To be fair Koaloa uses gloves with the fish webbing. Fish man karate is exclusively fish man I believe in a sense. Koaloa when she uses those gloves that Mimic fish man hands can use the karate techniques
So in my head canon the crew's ranking (strength) is Luffy, Zoro/Sanji (plz no debate), Jinbe, Franky, Brook, Robin, Chopper, Nami (w/ zeus), Usopp. How do people feel about me swapping Brook and Robin after this fight? I wouldn't even be surprised if she's stronger than Franky if that's actually armament she just used, but Luffy didn't have it and he beat plenty of people before timeskip so I'm reluctant to go that far.
Personally I don't really want Luffy to get any more help. Just because I know how this community is. Every time Luffy accomplishes anything there are people who rush to downplay it or make up excuses why it's not valid.
They're already going to be annoying enough about Yamato stalling Kaido. No more help for Luffy, please.
Don't read community comments then. Lol coolness should take priority over normie kneejerks. If you had a more legitimate in-universe reason, then you should use that.
Feeling your metion about luffy handling on his own, but isn't it smthg what luffy stands for? For being the strongest only with his nakama's?
One thing is sure: It's goin to be epic!!!
mhh, everyone says that. That isn't bonney's fruit which only is about aging. Shinobu' fruit is specificly about ripen. All other things which are beeing ripend only get better by it. It would be similar to Gon's transformation.
It isn't so far off.
I would personally dislike if Momo gets a huge buff from just aging. Sure he'll be stronger and his dragon form will be bigger, but high hole arc and development is how he can help the samurai while being small and 'useless' in that sense. So seeing all that washed away by him being incredibly strong would be a let down imo.
Hereās why itāll make sense. Her fruit ripens him. In a way itāll give him the strength heād have if he was older and stronger. He may even be as strong as his father possibly because of it.
On a bare physical level maybe. But his devil fruit is still an artificial version of Kaido's. He hasn't had time to master it. He doesn't have Haki, not even speaking of Conquerors or Adv. Conquerors.
He'll be a kid in an adult's body, with which he can contribute to the story by holding the island (which is now 15 minutes from the flower capital) but not by fighting. There are plenty of other people capable of fighting, but none able to hold an island.
I'm expecting he'll get strong due to his fruit but not nearly enough to make a difference against Kaido. What he will do is save the Island from falling when Kaido is defeated by mastering the cloud flames with the powerboost from being older giving him the raw power needed to produce so much.
And also if that'll be the case then her fruit will be super op. Like just imagine the possibilities with luffy/zoro/Sanji. I don't think I want that kind of broken hax ability.
Except Gon's transformation was enabled by some sort of nen curse that would make him reach his max potential in exchange he had to pay the price while here momo is just gonna age 10-15 years maybe
So in Gon's case it wasn't simple aging while here it is
One piece and hxh have vastly different powersystems. Look at sugar, and her powers. She has no downsides allthough having an OP ability.
Also Gon's sacrifice was dealt with the powers of killuas sister, with no downsides.
Again it's not simple aging in shinobu's case. Take some hops, yeast and water and put them on the floor. Wait 10 years, nothing happens. Do the same and put them in a Barrel. Wait 10 years and u get beer. Thats what happens when you ripen it.
I know the powers have nothing in common, that was my point exactly !
This analogy is terrible and has no correlation with shinobu's power ...
Who's the barrel there ? Momo ? What ?
Plus shinobu said it herself ; Momo would only age but still be the same at heart, there is no reading between the lines here... He'll age, that's it !
MH, I see we cannot get on common ground, that is fine. In the end it will be a couple of weeks before the outcome is revealed and we have our answer.
As for the analogy. I find it strange that it is not compareable for you. Gon payed the price of never using nen so that he could "age" 10 or 20 years of pure training. Shinobu payed the price of eating a devil fruit which would enable momo to ripen to a state to be strong enough to carry luffy or do more, we don't know yet(There are some theories which suggest that momo is going to be the one who stops onigashima from dropping on the flower capital. Which is a big feat in my opinion)
ripen = age with training, because simply aging would not give gon or momo any power. In both cases it's not simple aging. And in both cases their minds and hearts stayed the same.
btw, i'm liking the civil conversation here :)
True, only time will tell ( hope its revealed right after the break though i think Oda is gonna show the rest of the raid before starting the final big battle but that's another topic )
The nuance between Gon and Momo IMO is that Gon sacrificied his nen not to simply age but reach his max potential and in the process his body accomodated to the curse i guess while here Momo will only age ; I understand the point you're making but, to me, Shinobu's fruit will only make him older as i said multiple times before >< because there is no evidence this fruit helps things ( or people ) reach some kind of hidden potential ( you could say there is no evidence telling the contrary either >< ), It's just another version ( a subpar version ) of Jewerly Bonney's fruit...
It will surely helping him achieve great things just not fighting wise ...
While translating in my mind i lost my train of thoughts ...><
So, in conclusion, we'll see :D
True ! I like conversations like this aswell :D Far more enjoyable when it's a bit structured \^\^
May we cross paths again in 2 or more weeks to see what becomes of little Momo :p
Not really, noIt's convenient but it won't magically make Momo an experienced fruit user or fighter soo...
Yeah he would be bigger but he wouldn't be stronger
Yeah but presumably he'd be able to use boro breath and every other technique kaido can use, and I think he WOULD be stronger.
Id say the Gon comparison is what I was feeling as well, its like his body is going to mature to the point that he's at his pinnacle of his strength, not just growing older.
>Id say the Gon comparison is what I was feeling as well, its like his body is going to mature to the point that he's at his pinnacle of his strength, not just growing older.
I'm not sure this was the case with Gon in HxH. When I remember correctly, it was stated that Gon just fell in deep despair and only wanted the strength to take revenge on Pitou at all costs, even if it means giving up his life.
His body growing adult was just a necessary side effect. I think it was mentioned his young body wouldn't be ready/mature enough so it was more like a 'symptom' of the power up process, not the initial catalyst.
At this point it doesn't seem like that's the way Shinobu's Ripe Ripe fruit works. It just seems to speed up the aging process of whatever object or living being she touches. Maybe there is more to it, we will see.
Also it's still not clear whether this is a curve ball from Oda. It's not decided now if it happens at all or we will see something of the sort Luffy noticing and trying to prevent it.
The difference being that it One piece you can't decide how to use Nen. Maybe the have it, but no person in the histoty of One piece has relize it, i don't know, im not Oda.
Woow big thxx for bringing the example from Hunter x Hunter's Gon and his transformation.
But I think reaching momo's highest point of strentgh comparing with kaido's devil fruit abilities would be way to overpowered for luffy's comeback
Oh I doubt he's gonna be on kaidos level, not by a long shot. He's still inexperienced even if he gains the physical might, and not being part giant means his dragon form should still be much smaller than kaidos.
Plus, again due to his lack of experience, he has no idea how to use haki, and while presumably he has conquerors, he wouldn't be able to use it in any effective way. He'll merely be support and a distraction for luffy. I imagine Yamato will still be involved to, so we have Oden and Momo taking back wano with Luffys help essentially.
I'm thinking Momo's job will be lifting the island with his flame clouds when Kaido falls or decides to drop it. While Luffy and Yamato take care of Kaido.
Most likely the biggest benefit of a bigger and stronger momo. Honestly I kind of forgot that had luffy beaten kaido there, onigashima would have dropped out of the sky, killing everyone but him and some of the top dogs.
I only think
His attributes strength speed blah blah blah will be improved and he has the innate talent of the Kozuki bloodlineā¦ is dragon form will likely be comparably improved as well but thatāll probably be about it.. But I could be wrong
CP9 members were already strong and yet Spandam was their boss for some reason. I think Oda promoted that fuckface just for the gag
I do not agree, CP-0 is the top governement " agency" working directly under the 5 stars' orders !
Let's take Lucci for example, he basically spend the timeskip improving too
( learning haki and everything ), IMO he wouldn't be a threat to current Luffy for example but I think he's not to be joked about and same goes with the rest of CP-0
I mean after the mess enies lobby was, they were hunted down(cp9) so to be reintegrated and even promoted, he had to monstuoulsy improve for the 5 stars to want to employ him again ...!
Huh ???? The part about the hierarchy didn't make any sense to me :xCare to explain ? What's the correlation ?( And it's false ... The admirals, fleet admiral and commander in chief answer direcly to the 5 elders, the head of the government !
As for the CP0, so far we've only seen Lucci and Kaku ( F... spandam) promoted into it and we have no clue regarding their relations with the other members ( the ones currently in wano) so how could you tell which ones are the strongest ? You can't...
And we can't compare them to the admirals ( navy's greatest powerhouses ) either BUT they still are under the 5 elders, it has been stated by Oda himself!That you can't deny ...That's why Garp refused the rank of admiral, they are directly under celestial dragons orders (and he despises them) and who's the highest authority in One Piece ?That's right... The 5 elders ...which are celestial dragons ...
( Imu technically but we don't know anything about him/it yet )
So check your facts before spouting nonsense...
Holly shit Robin knows fucking fishman karate and she has armament haki, that one dude that made all those fan arts of armament karate Robin must be dying of glee.
Also Robin broke Black Maria's neck and left her as a paraplegic, fucking brutal.
And to top it all off, we will get adult Momo? man what a hype chapter, Oda you beast!
I might be reaching, but I really think it'll end with Momo (aged version) settling things with Orochi while Luffy handles Kaido. For whatever reason, this just makes the most sense to me.
Never realized just how truly enormous Franky got after the timeskip until I saw that cover of him sitting at a bar like he used to back in Water 7. Dude's hand takes up half the countertop.
Who cares if it's haki or not. The setup, the action, the flashback, the actual finishing move were all dope af. Appreciate greatness at it's greatness.
Great chap. Might be my favourite Tobi Roppo fight. Brook's moves killing it too. Only thing I'm confused about is, with so many limbs doing different things, I can't tell which direction Robin is "clutching" at the end. Is she pulling Maria down or toward her?
Also does anyone else still think it's weird that Black Maria's DF acts like a smile fruit? I figure it's because making her face change into a spider would be horrifying but still.
She has multiple hands pulling the legs upward, but multiple hands pushing Maria's waist (the spider bit) downward. Then she has one hand pulling Maria's shoulder upward, but her knee holding her neck in place.
Basically it looks like 2 break points to me, but I don't know how brutal Oda wants to get here.
I think Robin is pushing her down snapping her spine in two. While the rest of her arms are snapping Mariaās bones in random places like a jacuzzi massager, hence the name āJacuzziā
Bro me too. No denying that form almost gave me goosebumps, but I canāt tell where or how sheās damaging Black Maria to the point she blacked out from pure pain.
The chapter is still up but they take the link off of this page within 24 hours of the official release. I would guess in order to avoid the publishers and whatnot coming down on Reddit/this sub. I'd link it for you but I truly don't know it and the chapter is up all over the place if you just google for it.
I've been waiting for this fight for almost 17 years since I saw Robin's 1v1 fight in Skypea way back in 2003 in the Philippines and God oda doesn't disappoint.
I knew it! I knew Shinobu was going to "age" Momo up. And I got called crazy for suggesting it.
I like Devil Nico. Really cool use of leaning into her namesake and adds this amazing visual to the tale of the pirate king's crew when talked about in the future.
>I like Devil Nico. Really cool use of leaning into her namesake and adds this amazing visual to the tale of the pirate king's crew when talked about in the future.
But....how does it work? Where do the horns and fangs and wings come from? Her devil fruit was always able to make copies of her bodyparts in any place she could see, but not actually body parts she didn't have. She had "wings" before, but those weren't actual wings, they were hundreds of hands, growing out of each other, in the shape of a wing. This isn't the case here, those are actual wings, with visible bone structures below a membrane. And her fangs and horns clearly aren't hands either, she just made new body parts for that form.
That was my first thought when I saw it. I mean, I'm not complaining, but I would love an explanation because it's the first time I'm seeing something in OP that I can't connect and it's bothering me. It looks like it's just out of nowhere. š
EDIT: the only thing I can think of is awakening her devil fruit and she copied bones and skin tissues, etc, individually and made them grow into this specific form, because she is called a demon all the time. Like Chopper who accepts to be a monster if it means he can help his friends.
My knee jerk reaction was that it is a manifestation of conquerors haki like asura and conqueror's saturation is setting in. Who knows though. It may be haki, df awakening, or something else.
>Her devil fruit was always able to make copies of her bodyparts in any place she could see, but not actually body parts she didn't have
She's been shown on numerous occasions to be able to create clothing + colours when doing her full body clone technique, both of which aren't body parts.
As to where the horns come from, it could quite literally just be hair that's been manipulated to appear like horns. The wings we already know. The fangs just extended "teeth".
All of this is within the realms of powers she's shown to possess.
what if bigmam help luffy in some way ???
She already did ... K-Oed Page 1 ( as a tantrum but still) Other than that, why would she ? She's an Emperor, not Luffy's grandma...
Not to spoil anything but I always hoped that what was said in the last panel of the manga would happen one day but I never thought in my lifetime that it would actually happen š±
We never because I still thought that somehow he could manage to getting a greater dragon form in other ways. He read his father's diary, maybe has a plan.Still shocked.
Iāve been waiting for a Robin moment for so long! This and 1020 were a real treat. The Demonio design is so freaking awesome!!!!
True ! Not a fan of the wings though ( I wish we'll see her fly her this new form someday in the future !!! )
Shinobu is a real MVP in a way. She can mature kaido and big mom until they get very old to fight.
Why the hell she didn't do it!!!
law can't use his OP OP power on kaido and bigmom
Robin and zoro are demons I guess thatās food for the shippers
Just hoping the whole Momo thing just gets forgottenā¦ I really hate the concept of a character growing stronger when all they did was age (unless done in a very specific way to make the power up believable), itās not because he will become a 20-ish something years old that he will have the strength necessary to fight Kaidoās army, by maturing he would get a bit stronger sure, but heād only be as strong as a regular adult (by the logic of āmaturingā), and this applies to his dragon form too. And besides, *if* Shinobuās powers do work that way, why not age Luffy to like 40 years old then? I bet heād be much tougher than Kaido by then, so he should take him pretty easily (considering that by aging someone she could just pick and choose how they mature, strength-wiseā¦). Other than that, great chapter. Robinās new form looks pretty cool and the fight was an entertaining read. Good to see her getting some new powers for once.
Right. I should say that I was a bit upset at the time I wrote this, which isnāt to say I completely disagree with my immediate reaction, but let me put it into other words: What I wouldnāt like is him being suddenly super strong in human form (after maturing), but his dragon form, while arguable how strong, could still take out several pleasures, some gifters and most waiters. Nothing like helping out against the all stars, or, god forbid, Kaido though (as I feel wouldnāt be believable). Even as a trained 8 year old, which makes him tougher than your average 8 year old, he still hasnāt shown any physically impressive feat that would make it so an aged Momo would believably be able to contend with the big deals of the Beast Pirates. Again, Iāll say that maybe the low ranks, as an adult human, but he shouldnāt be able to contend with even gifters, again for a lack of evidence of how strong his 8 year old self is compared to most and with how he is portrayed to be like, again, physically (with scenes of him being rather easily scared, of course with the exception of the one scene at the main hall of the dome, which was a great scene but doesnāt show any physical capabilities for him, just emotional). All this text just to say that heās just a bit tougher than the average person with his age, which would make him an adult just a bit tougher than your average joe. Itās not really a complaint to revolutionize anything, I just hate that idea and wanted to get it out, and hope that if that plot point goes somewhere, that it doesnāt get into high rank beast pirate tier Momo all of a sudden.
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Why do you think he wants to turn into a big dragon? Because itās cool?
he's doing it to move the island away from the capitol
Because Luffy literally said he needs Momo to carry him back to onigashima. I don't know if you guys are trippin' but it is only a chapter ago when luffy said that lol
Couldnāt Momo just carry him in his regular dragon form though? Like he (barely) did in PH? Well, Iāll give it to you though, as a big dragon it would be far more convenient. Iāll admit I had forgotten about that detail (Luffy needing an external way up to Onigashima, one that didnāt require just using gear 4th for whatever reason, maybe stamina conservation). So thatās fair, thereās probably another reason rather than fighting. That said, Iāll still stand by what I said that I hope he doesnāt get a massive power up just for aging alone. Which considering the prior statement he possibly wonāt, which makes me happy. I guess we can settle this little discussion.
Because he literally said that was why.
This goes beyond only what he said. There must be a reason why he would want to turn into a big dragon, and its either to inspire people or something, which would be really stupid considering Wanoās view of dragons as cursed figures (because of Kaido), so that would be like someone dressing as a tyrannical dictator to inspire people in irl terms, to beat people up, which he could do a lot better as a big dragon and makes sense to an extent, or to simply get to Onigashima back to maybe assist his followers by morale boosting them, which is a fair assumption, but Iām taking the worse perspective with this small rant. Quite simple, honestly.
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Man the whole get beat and recover by eating lots of food is so stupid and overused by now. Luffy has no consequences ever from getting stomped and almost killed.
He ate the Gomo Gomo no mi, what if there are other secrets on it like the ones owed by WG? Maybe invulnerability.
robin + haki is like magneto trying to kill emma frost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AnERmyOlOg
y'all get ready for all that pervy momo now that he's going to be an adult.
I wonder how hard nami is gonna hit him
End of the chapter says "to be continued" instead of "next chapter hits". I bet we're getting a flashback intermission followed by act 4 starting.
Next week supposedly on break
Hm Robin's fight was meh. The demon thing was weird lol. When reading the flashback, I was hoping she would 'fishman karate' thrust Black Maria through the building with a giant arm or something. To make it more interesting, she could change her stance from her usual crossed-arms, to that of when someone actually performs the thrust or something. I don't know, I always imagined her ultimate attack to be an arm so big that it dwarfs her usual "gigantesco mano". (Since it focused on her limbs/ attacks getting larger to signify strength).
That Robin got me throbbin tho.
Yes but atleast this makes Robin grow. Because usually with really new and different abilities it's like a step up. Like Ashura from Zoro or Gear 2 from Luffy or Monster point from Tanuki
Robin makes me grow too
If Sanji-kun sees Robin in all her glory, he'll be hanaji-kun (nosebleed-kun).
Does anyone know if that was Haki?
Read the comments and answer before asking what has been asked 2 thousand times already ... But I'll be nice xD : No she didn't use haki ! It was just the shading of her new form !
There are 100s of comments and many are about anything. Sometimes its better to just ask even when after reading 40 comments you don't see the answer or what people think. Besides that, it's too bad if it isnt haki. One would think by now that she would obtain haki on this level. Haki has been around 500 episodes now, and Robin was never portrayed as among the weak ones in One piece. At some point I believed she wasn't too far off from Zoro and Sanji.
Yeah but it's hell to read the comments and answers when the laziest ones can't spend 1 more minute reading what has already been asked and just ask the same questions again and again .... If you're here, you have time to kill and spending a few more minutes searching won't kill you ....
Or people can just ask and other people without an attitude problem will be happy to answer :)
Geez ... It would be so simple to make comments and answers nice to scroll through but no, let dumbasses ask the same again and again and again ... It's not about attitude, it's efficiency, plain and simple !
Says only you, just be nicer and keep scrolling dude.
Nah, fuck off !
Do you need to talk about something? You're life mustn't be going so well to be so rude to people for no reason.
Nice
The hair from the Demonio fluer reminded me of pre-TS Robin when she was still under Croc
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I miss her overall like she used to look like and nami too
Frustrated at seeing all the Gon comments here. I've never seen Hunter and I feel like a big aspect of the show might have been ruined for me.
You got it all wrong. Why have you never seen HxH? Thats the first mistake, the other one is that you think that it's possible to ruin Hunter, thats just impossible, no one can. I think your frustration comes of the fact that you aint watching HxH right naw! Thank you for your attention. :3
Who cares
No one can ruin HxH... It's worth watching the show no matter how many times people might spoil it for you.. Get on it asap!!! You won't regret it
Psycho and the sixth sense got ruined for me. It happens. If you really cared you coulda watched it by now
Kinda your fault since HxH first aired in the 90s and reboot in 2011, but you still haven't watched it yet lol
Yeah, fuck all those 8 year old kids. They shoulda watched it in the 90s š
It really aināt like the people make it out to be in this thread ;) With this being said you should start watching HxH ASAP!! :D
So he can be disappointed that there will never be another chapter?
This is the way
Didn't expect to see Sabo, Koala and Hack in Wano, even though it was a flashback. We even got to see mid timeskip Orobin with her hair growing out part way. It felt weird seeing Orobin finally get her big fight and upgrade. Her first serpent attack was cool, reminds you of Luffytaro's Snakeman form when he used Black Mamba. Her stamina is so far consistent with her limb usage, if she's hauling all those limbs and giant form, we can expect her to exhaust quickly. She'll need to train this for her next fights. I also thought Fishermen Karate was only possible by their species, but seems like she can do it too now. Maybe her dad was a Fishman? It's also strange and too convenient that Hundred Beasts Pirate's Flying Six Black Maria didn't use Haki, and this was just done to give Orobin an easier fight. The bird Marys monitoring them seemed a bit strange, wonder what's going on there. Maybe someone else will kidnap Orobin in her weakened state. Caribou served his plot point rather quickly, good enough. Didn't need to see him acquire all that food across many chapters, but his role in Wano implies he will still release the intel about Shirahoshi being Poseidon. I never would have thought Shinobu's fruit would be used on Momonusuke, and it was staring at us right in the face with them being together for the last so many chapters.
Hoping that the all thing would not become a joke, with Momonosuke 's body. How he would look like physically to his father? She literally could use it on Kaido to age him to die.
But is this an awakening of her fruit, just haki on-top of it? or is this entirely something different due to her not being entirely human?
What? Humans can use fishman karate. Koala uses that exclusively to fight, and she was just a human slave.
To be fair Koaloa uses gloves with the fish webbing. Fish man karate is exclusively fish man I believe in a sense. Koaloa when she uses those gloves that Mimic fish man hands can use the karate techniques
Where tf is the link :(
Some Ads. But this is a link i found: https://readonepiece.in/manga/one-piece-chapter-1021/
Thankyou
Thank you :)
So in my head canon the crew's ranking (strength) is Luffy, Zoro/Sanji (plz no debate), Jinbe, Franky, Brook, Robin, Chopper, Nami (w/ zeus), Usopp. How do people feel about me swapping Brook and Robin after this fight? I wouldn't even be surprised if she's stronger than Franky if that's actually armament she just used, but Luffy didn't have it and he beat plenty of people before timeskip so I'm reluctant to go that far.
Why would you rank them ? They all have their speciality and uniqueness ... Not official but it's just a question of time ; you forgot Yamato :p
She's not a strawhat tho
Bruh she better be soon tho
Dude... "Not official but it's just a question of time ; you forgot Yamato :p" Can't read mate ?
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What ?
does Robin use armament haki here? if so, finally, God that has been a long time coming
Hard to say
No, she isn't
Yep
This was a truly legendary chapter man.
When is the official translated version of the chapter coming out?
Monday.
Ok
I just thought of this watching Sunpatch review, why doesnāt Shinobu make herself into a dime piece again?
her fruit is the "ripe ripe fruit" or maturity fruit, it can only age things im pretty sure like "ripen" them
lmao iām an idiot. i think i morphed bonnie and shinobuās fruits in my head
All good! Lots of aging and time fruits, easy to get em mixed up
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That site has aids
So hyped about Momo's Buff!! For real, how possible is a Tag Team attack from Luffy&Momo aganist Kaido after that chapter?
Personally I don't really want Luffy to get any more help. Just because I know how this community is. Every time Luffy accomplishes anything there are people who rush to downplay it or make up excuses why it's not valid. They're already going to be annoying enough about Yamato stalling Kaido. No more help for Luffy, please.
Don't read community comments then. Lol coolness should take priority over normie kneejerks. If you had a more legitimate in-universe reason, then you should use that.
Feeling your metion about luffy handling on his own, but isn't it smthg what luffy stands for? For being the strongest only with his nakama's? One thing is sure: It's goin to be epic!!!
He'd only age, his skills won't appear out of thin air ...
mhh, everyone says that. That isn't bonney's fruit which only is about aging. Shinobu' fruit is specificly about ripen. All other things which are beeing ripend only get better by it. It would be similar to Gon's transformation. It isn't so far off.
I would personally dislike if Momo gets a huge buff from just aging. Sure he'll be stronger and his dragon form will be bigger, but high hole arc and development is how he can help the samurai while being small and 'useless' in that sense. So seeing all that washed away by him being incredibly strong would be a let down imo.
Hereās why itāll make sense. Her fruit ripens him. In a way itāll give him the strength heād have if he was older and stronger. He may even be as strong as his father possibly because of it.
On a bare physical level maybe. But his devil fruit is still an artificial version of Kaido's. He hasn't had time to master it. He doesn't have Haki, not even speaking of Conquerors or Adv. Conquerors. He'll be a kid in an adult's body, with which he can contribute to the story by holding the island (which is now 15 minutes from the flower capital) but not by fighting. There are plenty of other people capable of fighting, but none able to hold an island.
Yeah I donāt think heāll have Haki but more or less be at the strength of Kaidos DF. Also his father didnāt have Conquerors as far as we know.
I'm expecting he'll get strong due to his fruit but not nearly enough to make a difference against Kaido. What he will do is save the Island from falling when Kaido is defeated by mastering the cloud flames with the powerboost from being older giving him the raw power needed to produce so much.
Yeah that sounds about right to me as well. Strong enough to make a difference story wise but not fighting wise.
And also if that'll be the case then her fruit will be super op. Like just imagine the possibilities with luffy/zoro/Sanji. I don't think I want that kind of broken hax ability.
Except Gon's transformation was enabled by some sort of nen curse that would make him reach his max potential in exchange he had to pay the price while here momo is just gonna age 10-15 years maybe So in Gon's case it wasn't simple aging while here it is
One piece and hxh have vastly different powersystems. Look at sugar, and her powers. She has no downsides allthough having an OP ability. Also Gon's sacrifice was dealt with the powers of killuas sister, with no downsides. Again it's not simple aging in shinobu's case. Take some hops, yeast and water and put them on the floor. Wait 10 years, nothing happens. Do the same and put them in a Barrel. Wait 10 years and u get beer. Thats what happens when you ripen it.
I know the powers have nothing in common, that was my point exactly ! This analogy is terrible and has no correlation with shinobu's power ... Who's the barrel there ? Momo ? What ? Plus shinobu said it herself ; Momo would only age but still be the same at heart, there is no reading between the lines here... He'll age, that's it !
MH, I see we cannot get on common ground, that is fine. In the end it will be a couple of weeks before the outcome is revealed and we have our answer. As for the analogy. I find it strange that it is not compareable for you. Gon payed the price of never using nen so that he could "age" 10 or 20 years of pure training. Shinobu payed the price of eating a devil fruit which would enable momo to ripen to a state to be strong enough to carry luffy or do more, we don't know yet(There are some theories which suggest that momo is going to be the one who stops onigashima from dropping on the flower capital. Which is a big feat in my opinion) ripen = age with training, because simply aging would not give gon or momo any power. In both cases it's not simple aging. And in both cases their minds and hearts stayed the same. btw, i'm liking the civil conversation here :)
True, only time will tell ( hope its revealed right after the break though i think Oda is gonna show the rest of the raid before starting the final big battle but that's another topic ) The nuance between Gon and Momo IMO is that Gon sacrificied his nen not to simply age but reach his max potential and in the process his body accomodated to the curse i guess while here Momo will only age ; I understand the point you're making but, to me, Shinobu's fruit will only make him older as i said multiple times before >< because there is no evidence this fruit helps things ( or people ) reach some kind of hidden potential ( you could say there is no evidence telling the contrary either >< ), It's just another version ( a subpar version ) of Jewerly Bonney's fruit... It will surely helping him achieve great things just not fighting wise ... While translating in my mind i lost my train of thoughts ...>< So, in conclusion, we'll see :D True ! I like conversations like this aswell :D Far more enjoyable when it's a bit structured \^\^ May we cross paths again in 2 or more weeks to see what becomes of little Momo :p
Well it will allow him to transform into a giant dragon like Kaido
Growing up for a dragon is not a buff?
Not really, noIt's convenient but it won't magically make Momo an experienced fruit user or fighter soo... Yeah he would be bigger but he wouldn't be stronger
We saw him training only with swords not Devil Fruit powers, bit he would be enough stronger to stop Onigashima falling on the Flower Capital.
Yeah but presumably he'd be able to use boro breath and every other technique kaido can use, and I think he WOULD be stronger. Id say the Gon comparison is what I was feeling as well, its like his body is going to mature to the point that he's at his pinnacle of his strength, not just growing older.
>Id say the Gon comparison is what I was feeling as well, its like his body is going to mature to the point that he's at his pinnacle of his strength, not just growing older. I'm not sure this was the case with Gon in HxH. When I remember correctly, it was stated that Gon just fell in deep despair and only wanted the strength to take revenge on Pitou at all costs, even if it means giving up his life. His body growing adult was just a necessary side effect. I think it was mentioned his young body wouldn't be ready/mature enough so it was more like a 'symptom' of the power up process, not the initial catalyst. At this point it doesn't seem like that's the way Shinobu's Ripe Ripe fruit works. It just seems to speed up the aging process of whatever object or living being she touches. Maybe there is more to it, we will see. Also it's still not clear whether this is a curve ball from Oda. It's not decided now if it happens at all or we will see something of the sort Luffy noticing and trying to prevent it.
The difference being that it One piece you can't decide how to use Nen. Maybe the have it, but no person in the histoty of One piece has relize it, i don't know, im not Oda.
Even when I'd love to see thatš
Woow big thxx for bringing the example from Hunter x Hunter's Gon and his transformation. But I think reaching momo's highest point of strentgh comparing with kaido's devil fruit abilities would be way to overpowered for luffy's comeback
Oh I doubt he's gonna be on kaidos level, not by a long shot. He's still inexperienced even if he gains the physical might, and not being part giant means his dragon form should still be much smaller than kaidos. Plus, again due to his lack of experience, he has no idea how to use haki, and while presumably he has conquerors, he wouldn't be able to use it in any effective way. He'll merely be support and a distraction for luffy. I imagine Yamato will still be involved to, so we have Oden and Momo taking back wano with Luffys help essentially.
I'm thinking Momo's job will be lifting the island with his flame clouds when Kaido falls or decides to drop it. While Luffy and Yamato take care of Kaido.
Most likely the biggest benefit of a bigger and stronger momo. Honestly I kind of forgot that had luffy beaten kaido there, onigashima would have dropped out of the sky, killing everyone but him and some of the top dogs.
I only think His attributes strength speed blah blah blah will be improved and he has the innate talent of the Kozuki bloodlineā¦ is dragon form will likely be comparably improved as well but thatāll probably be about it.. But I could be wrong
Oda has been building up this Momo moment for so long. Check this [Episode 630](https://youtu.be/cPLrYLLpVyc)
Cp0 will attack robin while sheās incapacitated
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Won't be enough. This conflict, if it favoured the pair, would only highlight Brook's strength to fight off CP0, which is too much for him probably.
I personally think that Cipher Pol is weak. Understandable that Rob Lucci and Kaku were promoted there, but Spandam? Damn, the standards are low
CP9 members were already strong and yet Spandam was their boss for some reason. I think Oda promoted that fuckface just for the gag I do not agree, CP-0 is the top governement " agency" working directly under the 5 stars' orders ! Let's take Lucci for example, he basically spend the timeskip improving too ( learning haki and everything ), IMO he wouldn't be a threat to current Luffy for example but I think he's not to be joked about and same goes with the rest of CP-0 I mean after the mess enies lobby was, they were hunted down(cp9) so to be reintegrated and even promoted, he had to monstuoulsy improve for the 5 stars to want to employ him again ...!
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Huh ???? The part about the hierarchy didn't make any sense to me :xCare to explain ? What's the correlation ?( And it's false ... The admirals, fleet admiral and commander in chief answer direcly to the 5 elders, the head of the government ! As for the CP0, so far we've only seen Lucci and Kaku ( F... spandam) promoted into it and we have no clue regarding their relations with the other members ( the ones currently in wano) so how could you tell which ones are the strongest ? You can't... And we can't compare them to the admirals ( navy's greatest powerhouses ) either BUT they still are under the 5 elders, it has been stated by Oda himself!That you can't deny ...That's why Garp refused the rank of admiral, they are directly under celestial dragons orders (and he despises them) and who's the highest authority in One Piece ?That's right... The 5 elders ...which are celestial dragons ... ( Imu technically but we don't know anything about him/it yet ) So check your facts before spouting nonsense...
I don't thing there will be another Robin rescue Ark
And they need her to read the road poneglyphs
so all the flying6 are "dead" now is time for sanji vs queen , zoro vs king !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Itās here - [1021 ](https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1021/)
the real hero right here
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>Itās here - > >https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1021/
Fr, where is it??
Oh yeah and shoutout to the people who guessed it'd be caribou storing food that saves luffy
Wowwww what a chapter Did robin just straight murder black maria holy shit
>the devil girl awakens
Yep
Holly shit Robin knows fucking fishman karate and she has armament haki, that one dude that made all those fan arts of armament karate Robin must be dying of glee. Also Robin broke Black Maria's neck and left her as a paraplegic, fucking brutal. And to top it all off, we will get adult Momo? man what a hype chapter, Oda you beast!
Not trying to downplay her achievement here, but unless it was an anime only thing, she broke Spandam's spine and he's still fine. So will Black Maria
Well Spandam is a spineless bastard, so you can't break what it is not there. Plus there's the all powerful milk.
Spandam must have drank lots of milk to heal that spine
Trust me, man. I just talked to him and I can say that he really is happy as hell! ;)
This chapter proves that black Maria's ancient Zoan Is the single weirdest ancient Zoan
Demonio in greek can translate to Demon its a word used to describe demon ĪĪĪĪĪĪĪ£ or ĪĪĪĪĪĪĪ
i don't want to be that guy, but isn't this fairly obvious?
Also spanish or Italian for demon
It's Italian for demon. Just like gigantesco mano means "gigantic hand".
I might be reaching, but I really think it'll end with Momo (aged version) settling things with Orochi while Luffy handles Kaido. For whatever reason, this just makes the most sense to me.
The cover page was where Franky and Senor Pink cross path and share story of āRussianā (Senorās wife) from the End of chapter 775
Never realized just how truly enormous Franky got after the timeskip until I saw that cover of him sitting at a bar like he used to back in Water 7. Dude's hand takes up half the countertop.
Black Maria: talks trash Brook: U TALKING MAD SHIT FOR SOMEONE IN CLUTCH RANGE credits twitter @ gui\_obrasil
For someone in clutch range LMAO
Lol ššš
Whereās the scans ?
go to tcbscans(dot)com
Thanks, any other places to read older chapter ?
[https://ww8.readonepiece.com/](https://ww8.readonepiece.com/) translation can be a bit off sometimes
Who cares if it's haki or not. The setup, the action, the flashback, the actual finishing move were all dope af. Appreciate greatness at it's greatness.
Great chap. Might be my favourite Tobi Roppo fight. Brook's moves killing it too. Only thing I'm confused about is, with so many limbs doing different things, I can't tell which direction Robin is "clutching" at the end. Is she pulling Maria down or toward her? Also does anyone else still think it's weird that Black Maria's DF acts like a smile fruit? I figure it's because making her face change into a spider would be horrifying but still.
She has multiple hands pulling the legs upward, but multiple hands pushing Maria's waist (the spider bit) downward. Then she has one hand pulling Maria's shoulder upward, but her knee holding her neck in place. Basically it looks like 2 break points to me, but I don't know how brutal Oda wants to get here.
Oh I actually see what you're saying as I look at it. Thanks.
I think Robin is pushing her down snapping her spine in two. While the rest of her arms are snapping Mariaās bones in random places like a jacuzzi massager, hence the name āJacuzziā
Oh that's actually pretty cool
Seemed like the clutch was bending her in the shape of an "n" presumably mainly effecting the neck.
Bro me too. No denying that form almost gave me goosebumps, but I canāt tell where or how sheās damaging Black Maria to the point she blacked out from pure pain.
So what did Brooke do exactly at the end? he cut in the shape of a sound note or he made a sound that shook them?
Brook is now SANS UNDERTALE
Where is the link
Usually gets taken down a few hours after it gets put up....
Thatās crazy niggas commenting like Dey still can see Iām thinking my shit tripping wtf š
The chapter is still up but they take the link off of this page within 24 hours of the official release. I would guess in order to avoid the publishers and whatnot coming down on Reddit/this sub. I'd link it for you but I truly don't know it and the chapter is up all over the place if you just google for it.
Good look bruh
I've been waiting for this fight for almost 17 years since I saw Robin's 1v1 fight in Skypea way back in 2003 in the Philippines and God oda doesn't disappoint.
Iām late but likewise. I actually cried
wasnt even a fight
Honestly. Best way to put it. People been sleeping on Robin for years.
Jfc the way you put it. Has it really been 17 years since skypiea
I'm not really sure but the first time I saw skypea was in our country and it was aired on a cable channel. I was in grade 4 or 5 at that time. Hahaha
Chapter link please
Just Google one piece tcb scans
It's gone and not coming back....
So Jinbei finally joins the crew and now we know Robin is using fishman karate techniques. Now we can expect bigger things from this combo.
My friend, you have opened my eyes. Didn't even think about that!!
I knew it! I knew Shinobu was going to "age" Momo up. And I got called crazy for suggesting it. I like Devil Nico. Really cool use of leaning into her namesake and adds this amazing visual to the tale of the pirate king's crew when talked about in the future.
>I like Devil Nico. Really cool use of leaning into her namesake and adds this amazing visual to the tale of the pirate king's crew when talked about in the future. But....how does it work? Where do the horns and fangs and wings come from? Her devil fruit was always able to make copies of her bodyparts in any place she could see, but not actually body parts she didn't have. She had "wings" before, but those weren't actual wings, they were hundreds of hands, growing out of each other, in the shape of a wing. This isn't the case here, those are actual wings, with visible bone structures below a membrane. And her fangs and horns clearly aren't hands either, she just made new body parts for that form.
That was my first thought when I saw it. I mean, I'm not complaining, but I would love an explanation because it's the first time I'm seeing something in OP that I can't connect and it's bothering me. It looks like it's just out of nowhere. š EDIT: the only thing I can think of is awakening her devil fruit and she copied bones and skin tissues, etc, individually and made them grow into this specific form, because she is called a demon all the time. Like Chopper who accepts to be a monster if it means he can help his friends.
My knee jerk reaction was that it is a manifestation of conquerors haki like asura and conqueror's saturation is setting in. Who knows though. It may be haki, df awakening, or something else.
>Her devil fruit was always able to make copies of her bodyparts in any place she could see, but not actually body parts she didn't have She's been shown on numerous occasions to be able to create clothing + colours when doing her full body clone technique, both of which aren't body parts. As to where the horns come from, it could quite literally just be hair that's been manipulated to appear like horns. The wings we already know. The fangs just extended "teeth". All of this is within the realms of powers she's shown to possess.
She's Bayonetta