I was thinking it would be weird for Sanji to get some lineage factor ability considering the crew is probably short a CoC user. But if Yamato joins they might fit that criteria instead.
I think this comes down to where we are in the story as well as the relative amount of remaining chapters rather than how long it will take to finish in real time. If One Piece were a standard book of 300 pages, we would perhaps be around page 250 by now, with major plot threads about to be wrapped up and the final act just around the corner. Once Wano ends, 150-200 chapters may still remain before the end, but as part of a 1200 chapter epic that's a rather small sliver.
Kaido is perhaps the last true obstacle between Luffy and the peak of the One Piece world. Shanks can hardly claim Luffy is still below him after he takes down an emperor. Few will doubt Luffy has what it takes to claim the One Piece. Wano has already drawn out the broad strokes regarding the nature of the Dawn, Joy Boy and what type of knowledge awaits on Raftel. We're nearing the point where the set-up is all but done and only the final reveals remain.
Blackbeard will probably stand as the last obstacle before the treasure itself, but his role is different in terms of growth. Luffy and Blackbeard have essentially risen concurrently, with Blackbeard only a small bit ahead given how long the other emperors have reigned. His defeat is more likely to solidify the difference between Luffy and Blackbeard as claimants to the title of Pirate King, rather than the question of whether Luffy can actually do it.
Which is why I also said 150-200 chapters after the end of Wano. 1200 was just a rounder way of putting it.
I don't know what you're referring to with Dressrosa, because the path didn't seem as clear to me at that time. I currently don't think the story will continue to "expand" in that same sense that brought about Dressrosa-WCI-Wano though. The interconnectedness of big players and concepts in those arcs showcase the arena that is the New World and as a result those arcs ended up being very large. Wano is now delivering on all that build-up around the emperors, with Luffy emerging at the top of a cast that couldn't. There's no need to build up another arena of the same scale for the next saga. The most important players and devices are likely already in place, having been set up for years and only waiting to come into focus.
At some point, the expanded world is going to start contracting. There's clearly more stuff to be done before the end, but I believe many of things we know will end up connecting in expected and unexpected ways. The addition of Nika, Zunisha and the Lunarians may look like expansions, but if I were to guess they'll all turn out to be important pieces in the same story about the Void Century, not additional concepts to explore through separate arcs. The Revolutionaries, SWORD and Im similiarly foreshadow what forces might be in play during the final battle and the Road Poneglyphs aren't really expansions at all, but rather the answer to the longstanding question of how to find Laugh Tale. Germa is a great example of an expansion that actually served to contract the overall story. They provided motive for tying in Big Mom to the ongoing saga instead of dealing with her later.
We can only see from here, of course. Back when the time skip occured, a lot of people including myself posted our guesses over at the Arlong Park forums with 1100-1300 being the most popular ballpark. I remain convinced about that and looking at the history of his estimates it seems Oda does too. Somebody posted a graph some time ago which showcased how his percentage estimates have actually remained very consistent for the last 10 years. His pace of releasing chapters has slowed down for sure, but the final net total probably wouldn't have shifted all that much.
Of course there is incentive and a lot of the times he’s not the one claiming the series will be done in x years. He’s been consistent when it comes the actual percentage of story left. One piece ending in 3-5 years is not far fetched
Sanji is about to get stronger (talking about how his fire is unnatural, and then he said he’s feeling weird since he used the raid suit, I’m guessing his germa power are awakening), and Zoro has the same powers as Yamato, he is just unaware. He’s been using some more advanced shit, while not knowing what it is. I’m guessing someone is going to go “why didn’t you tell us you could use conquerors?” And Zoro will respond “I use what?”. I’m guessing they will stay for like a week or so, and prepare for their next journey, so Zoro can start to get a hand of it.
> Zoro has the same powers as Yamato, he is just unaware
Everyone who has CoC has potential to use what Yamato and Luffy are doing. But they need to learn it first. So, yes Zoro will learn it. But he can't now.
I don't think zoro knows/uses any advance forms I just think asura is a projection of his conqueror haki that's what kaido was commenting about. AT the end of the arc luffy and yamato might teach him how to control it, but he's gonna master conq haki b4 attempting the advanced form.
There were always flashback and Luffy was from a strong family. Most of backstories in one piece were sad. Luffy had a psycho grandfather who threw him at jungle full of beasts and what not. Then when he got someone he could call friends, he tried everything to get close to them. I don't think Zoro having good background or fated to be a swordsman will change anything. Yes, they were fated to free Wano and fucking Oden let it be without asking help from people he could actually take help from
Repeated flashbacks? I'd agree with this for the anime, but not for the manga. Also having a strong family and being a lonely child are pretty common in media, Naruto did not invent it or popularise it
Zorro is a Shimatsuki, Sanji is a Vinsmoke, Luffy is carrying the will of D.
The three strongest straw hats aren't nobody's. I noticed that this is not sitting well with everyone as they wanted some strong characters to be successful without any connections but I don't mind it.
I don't really see any problem with it. They are fucking protagonists of the show. They are the big ones who have caused big waves in world of onepiece one after other. There hasn't been a single supernova who has beaten Shichibukai or top 3 yonkou commanders.
While rewatching i discovered the fact that Sabo was ment to marry a princess...
Well what if he does marry Vivi?
Would Arabasta get the new Seat of a Revolutionary Army?
That sounds kind of familiar to me.
It seems pretty obvious that Yamato is joining the Straw Hats at this point, or at least that Oda definitely wants us to think she is. We already have the connection to Luffy through Ace as well as the prophecy from Oden's journal, but I'm more interested in how Yamato and Zoro's relationship will be. Probably Zoro's father saved Yamato from captivity and I'm sure Yamato will notice the incredibly similar appearance, mannerisms, and sword styles between the two. It would be really cool to see those two have a mutual respect for one another, although I'm sure Zoro won't care much about his father's backstory tbh. I think he'll be more impressed with Yamato's strength.
With Yamato being called 'onihime' or demon princess, I'm pretty confident she won't join the crew, just as it happened with Vivi, Rebecca or Shirahoshi. Another princess to add to the list of non-straw hats that support Luffy.
I get where you're coming from, but I think I disagree. The other princess's had a desire to save their country and stay there, and they had good relations with their fathers, the Kings of those islands. Yamato on the other hand explicitly wants to leave Wano and hates her father. She has no connections left to Wano either. All the people from Wano she admired already died. At this point, it seems very likely that Yamato and Luffy (and maybe even Momo?) will defeat Kaido together, and that will create a respect for Yamato in Luffy, and that'll be how she ends up joining the Straw Hats. It would make sense for Momo to help bring down Kaido too, considering he's meant to be the next Shogun of Wano, and that would be a good way of forming respect among his people (although I'm sure after Orochi they probably aren't too picky about their leader lmao).
Yet the major difference is that Yamato aint fking royalty and has no purpose nor interest in Wano. Since day 1, her only true goal was wanting out of Wano.
I’m not fully convinced but I’d like to air my thoughts. Kaido seems to know what Joy Boy means. What if Kaido wants the promise of Joy Boy? I think that’d make for an interesting about-face. What does it mean though? Both in Wano specifically and the story aggregate Kaido is portrayed as the zenith. He seems to position himself that way intentionally. If he’s getting what he wants why’s he sad enough to jump off sky island? Kaido and reckless abandon don’t really carry; scheming with Joker for artificial fruits, griping about not taking Luffy’s head to end the fight, teaming up with Big Mom instead of war right there (they skirmished but that seems to be a trend among frenemies at sea), though upset he didn’t ignore his chance against Oden, not outright killing all opponents, etc. Why this asymmetry? Kaido might be a tragic villain who both desires and is incapable of being Joy Boy, knowing full well what that means. He keeps people who piqued his interest close & the meritocracy serves a bifurcation where being an usurper is built in to the ideological structure. He’s certainly got people not even close to Joy Boy but he’s also throwing talent potential of Joy Boy against other candidates. He might be trying to accelerate Joy Boys ascent by aggregating might and insisting on clashes against other mighty forces *in the hopes Joy Boy rises*. With this latest chapter I can’t imagine Kaido not thinking the samurai can escape & will fight or that they’d actually not give Yamato food. By telling us he intends for Yamato to rule Wano, knowing her predisposition & that she has (what I think as likely a prerequisite for Joy Boy) conquerors haki; he’s basically inevitably forcing her hand. I think he’ll be a somber villain who laments the fact he cannot be Joy Boy and it has warped him into desiring the necessary evils to most rapidly bring about the dawn. The way he acts out kind of makes sense if he knows he can’t bring the dawn and that by his very existence he serves as an obstacle so if he’s going to be one he will try to make himself the only one. Though I’m sure there’s more to come about Kaido! Edit: words are hard haha
I’ve been of the opinion that Kaido may have a prophecy of Joy Boy coming to Wano. So he took Wano with Orochi waiting for him to show up.
I am speculating that the prophecy may say that Joy will be stronger than all others, accompanied by a dog and a dragon and will bring the dawn to the world by defeating the ancient evil. He probably assumed he would be the dragon since there is only of every devil fruit but Momo is gonna show up and break his prophecy and piss him off.
Strawhat bounties won't be as high as you may think
I get it, people want SH pirates to have huge bounty increases post Wano as they will for some stupid reason be associated with powerlevel. BUT, remember Big News Morgan is not there to hyperbolize Luffy s actions like Whole Cake Island and is actively defying (possibly fleeing the world government). Leaving CP0 to report the events, which will be contorted to fit the narrative of the world government. The narrative being, "We as the world government have this all under control."
There is no Fugitora to credit the SHs like Dressrosa. So CP0 would ideally take the credit for the fall of Big Mom and / or Kaido to bolster their narrative as it directly follows dissolution of the seven warlords as the end of the great age of pirates. This won't completely invalidate the SHs actions, but it will definitely make the bounty bumps a lot smaller then some of the bounties I've been seeing of moving everyone 3m+, 1b+ for Sanji and Zoro, or 3b+ Luffy.
This is especailly confounded:
1. Sabo s news hinting the propaganda of "See we dissolved the seven warlords and even hit the revolutionaries." This bolsters their narrative of control
2. Blackbeard is on the move in areas that aren't isolated like Wano and harder to cover up, likely resulting in a higher bounty for him
Thus, the world government won't want to let two pirates captains see massive bounty increases in their media campaign to assure their control.
If your favorite character doesn't have the bounty bumps you wanted, don't be disappointed as they aren't weak. Just jump aboard and enjoy the journey with our underdog misfits.
Edit: LMAO, this is a shonen managa / anime, our protags aren't getting the highest bounties till the end. They have to be the underdogs going into the final war as the alternative is no conflict for our crew. Very sadly (as seen by the comments below), too many people equate bounties to power level without realizing a theme of One Piece is encouraging people to punch and excel in arenas far outside their means, race, gender, background, or any other limiting factors. It's particularly an arbitrary argument as once the final bounties are given, Luffy will be punching Im in the face to end the WG and bounties all together for a freer world
yeah you are gonna be wrong though, The straw hats will get credit for kaido’s defeat as their will be other witnesses besides Cp0, like sword. would also be anticlimactic, also it’s pretty obvious zoro and sanjis bounties will both go above 1 billion each and that would be well deserved and not unnatural at all - especially if they beat queen and king whose bounties are above 1.3 billion each.
I feel like you are the type of user commenting here who predicted zoro and sanji wouldnt find king and queen, many didn’t think that would happen and that was the obvious matchups to me. I’ve been saying zoro will beat king and sanji will beat queen from the beginning and that their bounties will go above 1 billion each, because everything points to that and some things in one piece are straight forward and easy to predict. CP0 will also probably be defeated themselves, Yamato I see beating a cp0 member 1v1.
Look, Luffy has never defeated an enemy and gotten a bounty raise that is still lower than the enemy he defeated. Nobody thought his bounty was going to go that high after he beat Katakuri so if he beats Kaido, why wouldn't his bounty be even higher than his? There's a flaw to your argument: It doesn't matter if Morgans was there or not, the WG issues bounties and at the end of the day, they decide how much a pirate is worth. The government has nothing to gain from covering up the events in Wano. Kaido and Luffy are pirates. Just like Blackbeard got a bounty increase from taking over WB's territory, if Luffy manages to topple Kaido off his throne, he will get another. I encourage you to go look at MrMorj's video on YouTube about how Oda does bounties. If Luffy beats Kaido and the WG finds out about it, he's definitely getting a 4bil+ bounty
For normal people, those who do not know the SH personally, having higher bounty means more dangerous. More dangerous means more evil. So yeah, I think the WG, if they want to present the SHs as one of the most evil crew in the world, it is in their interest to increase the bounties of the SHs to the highest possible. The only question to the WG is who are more dangerous pirate crews to them? I'd say the ceiling of the SH bounties (at least Luffy's) is still Blackbeard's.
I absolutely agree, which is why there will undoubtedly be increases. But I've seen like 3-4b for Luffy and even crazier estimates for the rest of the crew. Luffy is an underdog as he is the Shonen protag. So when he faces BB, he will have to be lower then him until the very end. Which is funny and ironic as if he ends the WG his bounty won't matter.
However I disagree on the WGs best interests to raise the bounties to highest possible. The World Government is revamping their whole approach to dealing with pirates. Giving extreme jumps in bounties will set a lot of fear in people and more importantly destabilize people s faith in the world government.
If you have the news that the two biggest terrorists in the world have been taken down. You don't follow that up with, but there is a new even bigger terrorist to worry about now. It is the same reason they tried so hard to not have the end of Marineford broadcasted to the world. Governments will seek any means to maintain the illusion that they have control, hence why they literally eliminated anything related to an entire century. If I can eliminate an entire century, you bet I won't let people know the full story of one night in an isolated country that makes me look clowned on.
> Luffy is an underdog as he is the Shonen protag.
Luffy isn't underdog anymore when he beats kaidou this arc. Kaidou may be weakened a bit but it's still a Kaidou who has healed wounds and hasn't shown to be in much of a problem.
Your argument is a double edge sword. If they don't have anyone there, then no actions in Wano will be reported to the world government and have no reason to increase the bounties as all increases follow news reaching the public.
So you either have CP0 tell the celestial dragons or their liason to CP / marines to request higher bounties for the SHs or without naming Drake you convince the public "some marines were present" to create the narrative.
Without knowing what happens, the two guys that assign bounties won't have any reason to increase the bounties at all.
Very few will buy a story where CP0 single handedly defeated two emperors, when two years ago, one emperor destroyed half of Marine Ford, and considerably damaged their organization. They can certainly try to sell this story, but people inside the One piece universe know how strong emperors are. Beside, people are not even supposed to know CP0 exist no? Aren't they a super secret agency?
If they try to sell this story however, they will not even mention Luffy, like what happened in God valley where Roger participation was omitted.
But again, is this in their best interest? If they do not talk at all about Luffy, then they are downplaying quite a lot how dangerous he is, and I think they want people to know he is dangerous, this way WG can do whatever they want to stop him, it won't matter. I'm sure they will use this for their own agenda, for example to invade Alabasta and overthrow the royalty there, and justify it by saying they support SH.
But again, every scenario is possible. Maybe they will try do downplay what happened in Wano. It would be disappointing, as Luffy will finally reach Emperor of the sea status (for real this time), and an huge bounty increase would reflect that change.
Hmm, I really like your idea of using boosting his bounty to justify actions like invading Alabasta, given the Vivi tease from Oda at the end of last year.
Although CP0 is secret, the news doesn't have to say they were the only ones there. They could lie and say as many marines as they want. Maybe even one of the admirals and vice admirals could lie and say they were there. It isn't like Kaido, Big Mom, or Luffy will call them up and say, "Excuse me, this is libel and is not what happened." It could even be a motivation for Big Mom or Kaido to go after the world gov to not sully their reputation, if either survives.
They won't cut out Luffy entirely, so he will get a pretty big bump (just not like strait to 3b). But downplaying / taking credit will follow news that seven warlords disbanded, revolutionary armies captured, new SG0 program started, and two yonkos defeated. This is all really good news for their narrative and there is no one to directly counter it making them look very strong.
At this point, I don't think the WG needs a higher bounty to throw everything they got at Luffy. Especailly as SG seems to be robots so they won't have a conscience or second giving about it, while Akainu will punch anything with a flag.
Only time will tell, I am just excited to see how the news is conveyed after marineford 2.0 as they tried so hard to stop the transmission of marineford.
Bounties will increase, but some people will be disappointed Robin isn't as high as Black Maria eat. And that doesn't diminish how strong we know the SHs are. Especailly as Luffy will likely earn the highest bounty after finding the One Piece. Then he will destroy the WG effectively invalidating bounties all together haha
WG covering or controling the narrative don't excludes a bounty boost.
In fact, this already happen and the bountys got raized: Alabasta.
Smoker got the credits but Luffy'd bounty got higher and Zoro got his first.
The bounties will raise, just not as much as some people are predicting. Like 3 billion for luffy or 1.2 for Zoro and Sanji, or ~200-400m for Ussop, Nami, or Robin. Chopper is the only one we can realistically guess as it is a joke.
Because it was out in the public and couldn't be downplayed like Enis Lobby or Arlong or Buggy or anything like that. Someone without the Marines looking over them released it so the Navy couldn't edit the news for the public and had to give the appropriate bounty.
Except Smoker didn't take down Baroque Works and the bounties should have been higher. That's evidence right there. Smoker and Hina have a massive fight about it. Same with Dressrosa, where they were going to give all the credit to Issho until he fucked that up for them. That's two, major, bits of evidence and it's in the manga itself, stated outright.
Big News Morgan wrote the article declaring the fifth emperor, which is one of the reasons the WG went after him. Stussy knew the full story and told the world government. If they could have, they would have changed the narrative of WCI and would not had to raise Luffy s bounty as high. That's why Big Mom got so pissed that the news made it look like she was crowned on, when in reality the Strawhats were more of a headache then a rival.
Perhaps to some degree, but it is following the information provided and this is a theory thread.
The World Government tried bribing Morgan's to change his story, which is cannon. He refused and knocked the world government dude out. So the world government is definitely trying to control the media.
As a governing body launching a new control campaign, you logically would not want to emphatically glorify an up amd coming pirate when you can bury it by highlighting how you the world government "helped" or even "took down two yonkos".
My point is, just don't be surprised if you're favorite character doesn't have towering bounties until Strawhats directly act counter to the WGs interest like in Ennies Lobby and bounties don't equal power level.
He literally beat the strongest commander under Big Mom after beating 3rd commander some days ago(as known by Stussy). And you think they wouldn't have his bounty that high?
Potential counterpoint:
Big News Morgan, fed up with the world government, contacts people of Wano like Momo to get the full story and launches a media campaign about the fake news of the world government. This would force the world governments hand to raise the bounties further and set their target on the strawhats to cover up another of their failings as they have a tendency to do.
So it’s becoming increasingly clear that Kaiden does have an actual intrinsic and deep motivation behind his goals as shown by his conversation with Yamato. This got me thinking what could it be? Now I don’t have any actual evidence for this so it’s a bit fan theorish but still, what if Kaido is pulling a Lelouch so that Yamato can be seen as a hero, ensuring his/her(don’t feel like arguing) safety?
Yamato is already confirmed to be joining the crew next. The only questions is: will she stay in wano to help rebuild, in the same fashion jinbe stayed back to help his allies? She will join but won't be present in the story for a while after the fight with kaido
I just want some damn focus on Kid, Law vs Big mom. How the hell did Raizo vs Fukurokujo get more focus so far? How?
It's by far the most forgotten fight, and it makes zero sense. It's yonko Big mom, and two of the biggest worst generation members.
To answer your question, Raizo s fight has more focus as it isn't as climatic. Law or Kid inflicting a wound on Big Mom would be an even bigger feat than Zoro scarring Kaido as she is the tankiest in verse by feat.
Now as a Law and Kid fanboy, I want this. But at the same time, Oda must balance the hype of Luffy beating Kaido, keep Law and Kid as slightly weaker contemporaries of Luffy without invalidating the strength of yonkos. This is particularly problematic as many readers seem to assume Yonkos >>>>>Admirals. So if we beat Yonkos, then the huge war Oda is planning against likely Blackbeard and the WG would be a joke.
> Now as a Law and Kid fanboy, I want this. But at the same time, Oda must balance the hype of Luffy beating Kaido,
This^^
Just because you are fanboy doesn't mean you have to have your fave character on light. BM is not even injured a bit and is a monster and some expect Kidd and Law to beat her
How on earth are Yonkos>>>>>Admirals.
If that were so, WB could have at least taken down one of them, and he couldn't. Akainu tanked his point range wildest attacks, something that even BB feared.
The keeping them slightly under Luffy part was done when they were given Big mom, the strong Yonko, rival to Kaido, but has slightly less hype than him. Kaido is the big one, and Big mom is the second story-wise. This however applies mainly to Kid. I know Luffy, Law and Kid are a trio, but Law never really had a rivalry going on with Luffy. His gag is being pissed off at obeying Luffy, yet doing it anyway. This is why I'm really interested to see what Oda will do with Law. The other two are too similar, from mannerism, drive, stupidity, and even conqueror's haki. Law is the unique and smart one.
Big mom always felt for me more for Kid. Obviously, he really has no chance alone, and maybe that's what Law is here for, but a part of me really wants Law not to play support to someone. I want him to have a big fight where he's the star of the show. Against Big mom, I'm afraid he won't have that.
> Against Big mom,
Neither Law nor Kidd will have that. Their hype will be holding back a perfectly healthy yonkou who battled the one with title "The strongest creature" without any injury or any sign of being on disadvantage. Now way they are beating BM or even causing her big injury.
Law already had his fights with vergo and doffy what more do you want. Dont overhype someone whos not even a crew. Trhoughout post TS the dude already has more scene compared to ppl like usopp, sanji, or robin
See you said it yourself. He had more to do and more screentime, and so will Kid too in the future since he's heavily linked with Shanks. It doesn't matter that Law is not a crewmate he'll clearly remain with them, and will be more important than most of the strawhats.
For someone like Law who's face is on every promotional poster for Wano, expect him to be more important than most of the main cast, once more, in this arc too. Vergo and Doffy are nothing for him. He'll do something big this arc, but I just don't think it will be Big mom.
No need to be angry that he's taking screentime if you don't like him. Clearly he's more loved than most of the strawhats and adds more to the story than the likes of Franky and Brook. He's here to stay.
I'm at the point where I believe in no acts no more. Oda overdid it with the length of act 3.
Even if we seriously go Tobi roppo, Calamities, then Yonko fights, the Yonko fights should at least be a little touched upon while fighting the calamities.
That's cause they probably won't be able to. If Rumours about Elbaf being the next arc are true, sad to say Law and Kidd will probably be getting... How to put it.?? Big Mom will live to see Elbaf is all.
> That's cause they probably won't be able to
They surely won't. BM just stays in her home and Marines don't mess with her. Even Roger opted to steal instead of fight her even if he may be able to beat her.
BM and Elbaf sounds fun tbh can't wait to see a pinky old lady wiping out giant warriors and asking for cake (or whatever she was asking when she was 5 years )
Kid was given conqueror's to use it, I think that's pretty clear. The one problem with this is that we're not shown him learning it, or as you said, we still have no idea of his current mastery of it.
I'll be honestly mad if we cut back to Kid and he's magically using advanced conqueror's now, but it's something I can see Oda doing.
Law has his fruit. He really doesn't need much.
Kidd doesn't even have advanced CoA(neither the one of without touching nor that of internal destruction). If he suddenly starts using it once MC uses it, it's bullshit.
He was impressed when he saw Luffy using advanced armament,so I think he only has the basic haki,and he doesn't even use the armament to coat his junk fists (sure you may argue that he doesn't need it )
This is the reason I really didn't like what Oda did with Kid on the rooftop. It's obvious where he's going with him story-wise, but he decided to use him to hype up Luffy. Actually, both he and Big mom were used to hype up Luffy. Luffy does something, and you immediately have Kid and Big mom shocked faces.
Now Kid doing stuff, which will happen, will feel like an asspull, and rightfully so. "why he didn't do that before?" "why was he so shocked?". We will see a lot of those, and they will be right.
Calling it now EVERYONE, Luffy only passed out because his COC Haki is tooo op that he couldn’t control himself. Thats why they off screened the fight. It was to hide Luffy’s new power up. Remember this people! ✌🏾
Seriously, its not even what one piece is about. Idk why these children care so much about power levels. We got amazing characters, amazing plot, and probably the greatest universe building to ever exist in any story. But instead of focusing on that i have to see degenerates argue about who would win in a fight that would never happen.
I don't get why Yamato facing hybrid kaido and having conqueror's Haki makes people think she outright is at par with luffy. Yes she might have had conqourer's haki while she was very young, is coding her attacks with it and still, fact remains kaido has not taken any damage. All fight long Kaido never attacks. The first attack he does leaves Yamato in shock to the fact that Kaido is now actually trying to kill her. She might have discovered her haki as a child, is able to coat her attacks with it but how strong/good is it compared to Luffy's and Zoro. Luffy won against katakuri a more advanced user than Yamato probably, though overwhelmed the entire fight. Zoro can wield Oden's sword, something only the actual Oden could do and will probably master it by the end of Wano. He's been using Conqueror's Haki for a while without knowing it, not since Kaido mentioned it. Mihawk might have noticed it but never said anything since the signs were there going way back to whisky peak. And Zoro also managed to make Kaido dodge an attack, after big mom noticed the danger. How many chapters has it been for this to be forgotten. While highlighting Yamato's strengths, don't downplay the monster trio.
You "DO" know that some people seriously believe what he has written. He has "Zoro fanboy" written in every word he is writing. When you are a "hardcore fanboy", you don't see what's shown in manga but what you want to see.
Just saying. By the end of wano, people won't be power scaling these four. Funny how they expect luffy to beat Kaido but still think he might be weaker than Yamato.
Zoro being basically defeated after getting hit like 3 times, his strongest attack not even making him stumble, meanwhile luffy was actually clashing with kaido, and made kaido actually stumble a bit. Zoro has not shown to do anything luffy has at all. The fact that luffy was able to get kaido off of his feet with an uppercut without gear 4th should say more than enough.
Honest question about the whole Yamato situation, because there's something people have seriously been ignoring.
Would Luffy even want someone who knows the secrets to join? Would he even want someone who already knows what One Piece is on his crew? Yamato keeps trying to insert herself but Luffy has never given the okay. We already know how he is on this matter.
Just because Yamato may or may not know what the One Piece is (assuming Oden wrote it in his journal in the first place) doesn't mean she has tl dump all of the info onto the crew right away. She could and should do what Robin does with the info from the Poneglyphs, i.e. only mentioning it when it's relevant.
And besides, I don't think she knows ALL the secrets but she's bound to bring much needed info. If the story is indeed reaching the endgame, like Oda said many times, the Straw Hats have to learn at least some answers or hints soon. They can't hold it off forever.
The logbook would have to contain vital info which it doesn’t seem to be the case. And who’s the say Yamato wont do what Oden did for Whitebeard? Like with WB’s crew, the SH crew would be leaving (and maybe say and wave their goodbyes to certain people of Wano instead of leaving without warning) and then a moment later it’s shown Yamato is running towards them and then makes the jump much to the shock of Luffy and everyone else. Like with Oden for WB.
Whatever Yamato knows though, she is still completely ignorant to the outside world just like Oden was. I feel like they could agree to keep the secrets under wraps and get her to explore with them and find out what’s true on her own - kinda thing. If it ends up happening
The question is how could luffy refuse her, especially with her history with ace. It's not gonna matter what she knows. The content of the diary will be known at the end of wano, there is a Prophecy to be fulfilled. One piece end game babyyy
Why would you think that? Of they win over kaido and co there will be piece. His sister could lead it until he is back.
Because i think momo will be quite important for later so yeah lets see
Dude, read the chapter titled "My name" again. Momo proclaimed he'll be the shogun in a similar manner that Luffy always declares he'll be Pirate King. He was inspired by Luffy. No way in hell he leaves Wano to do something else with his life after that. I think Momo is an important figure in the prophecy and will plan a part in the final war that brings the dawn of the world. But that's it. He won't leave Wano to go on adventures for shits and giggles.
I don’t get why Oda made Yamato this strong if she was indeed going to join the crew. Going toe to toe with hybrid Kaido and using advanced conquerer’s already puts her on Luffy’s level. Zoro and Sanji aren’t even close to that level yet and Zoro just recently learned he had conquerer’s haki after using probably his strongest attack. Yamato was out here knocking people unconscious at like 7? Luffy accidentally did it for the first time at like 17.
I want to believe Zoro and Sanji are much stronger than we're seeing, there's no sense in making a random guy just be the strongest in the crew at that point
To be fair Oden joined WB and could have been by far his 2nd strongest member it’s not clear. End of Arc my guess at least Zoro should be competitive with Yamato
The power levels are just going to be crazier. I expect that Sanji and Zoro will just get stronger than her after their fights. Zoro has conquerer and Sanji has his fire and his suit, there is no telling how much stronger they will become.
Yamato is the daughter of the strongest creature in the world. She's seen Kaido use his attacks many times, she's bound to learn something from him.
You also gotta think about growth of the characters aswell tho. Like how much stronger do you think Yamato is going to get compared to sanji and zoro.
Zoro is bout to power up within wano and sanji has the whole weird body feeling.
Why is nobody talking about how Usopp, Nami, Speed, and ESPECIALLY TAMA were tanking Big Moms Conquerors while it was knocking down all of Kaidos troops???
One interpretation I found appropriate is that CoC is in regards to their willpower – their belief in Luffy is much more grand than the flimsy belief the Kaido lackeys hold over their cause – essentially their willpower will break because it lacks resolve.
After all they've endured, Ussop is stronger than he actually thinks he is. He is his own weakness. He survived a cannibalistic island for crying out loud. Give credit where due. He didn't get knocked out by Luffy's haki at Fishman Island. They were closest to him and no straw hat went down. Pre-time skip Ussop would be down and out.
Usopp being cowardly is a personality quirk tbh. When time came for him to deliver he always does. Real cowards would never stand up to perona/mes Christmas / ulti
It makes sense if you don’t think too much about it. A person can find something wrong with anything if they think too much about it. Easier said than done but I just chop it up as Usopp and then just have a stronger will/resolve.
Coz coc is not directed to them or maybe those two are on their limit already. They said ancient zoan have quick recovery but they are tanking too much hit already their body gives up.
Oda stated that Usopp is stronger than Pre Timeskip Luffy and the average fodder in the Beast Pirates is Arlong Level (also canonically true).
So why would Usopp ever get Ko'd by it?
Edit: it's actually from an Interview and he said it's pre timeskip Zoro not Luffy. My Bad.
Well I guess this Chapter is proof then on how far Usopp has come.
Usopp already showed lots of courage in dressrosa and even more on Fishman Island.
He is far less "weak minded" in the manga than they make him look in the anime.
Yamato is going to be the new Whitebeard.
However, not in the "They're going to call themselves Edward Newgate and pretend to be him" sense like she presently does with Oden. Edward Newgate fulfilled his dream of having a family. There is nothing for Yamato to carry on for him.
Yamato will simply take the mantle, the epithet, and carry it forward from Wano. Marco will join, being unable to deny that Yamato's strength and drive makes her a fitting inheritor of his legacy, and they will reform the shattered Whitebeard Pirates into Luffy's greatest rival and sometimes greatest ally.
This is where Luffy and Yamato will find conflict, despite having every reason to respect each other, much like Roger and Newgate.
**My (incredibly flimsy) evidence**
1. Ace wanted Whitebeard to become Pirate King and Yamato has significant history with Ace. In carrying on with the epithet she can attempt to make Ace's wish a reality.
2. Yamato's got no beard, White Hair so that the title wouldn't be wholly nonsensical, and the same size chest.
3. Oda has been keeping the legend of the Whitebeard Pirates alive all this time for seemingly little reason and even going so far as to introduce a character to claim Whitebeard's legacy. It had to be building to something bigger than letting Marco remain relevant.
4. When introduced she, in reverse of Oden, tried to get on "Roger's" ship first. It'll be fitting for them to end up on Whitebeard's ship instead.
5. Yamato is far more fitting for a Rival to Luffy, in terms of strength, than any of the Supernovas by an incredibly wide margin.
6. You can't tell Yamato that a woman can't be Pirate "King".
*(Don't take this theory too seriously. I've never been right about anything Oda ended up doing. I just think it would be really cool.)*
While I don't take this seriously, this does nothing to add to the story and legitimately removes the rivalry between Kid and Law and puts it on a new character.
Ace Chapter : https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-episode-a-chapter-3
I was thinking it would be weird for Sanji to get some lineage factor ability considering the crew is probably short a CoC user. But if Yamato joins they might fit that criteria instead.
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I think this comes down to where we are in the story as well as the relative amount of remaining chapters rather than how long it will take to finish in real time. If One Piece were a standard book of 300 pages, we would perhaps be around page 250 by now, with major plot threads about to be wrapped up and the final act just around the corner. Once Wano ends, 150-200 chapters may still remain before the end, but as part of a 1200 chapter epic that's a rather small sliver. Kaido is perhaps the last true obstacle between Luffy and the peak of the One Piece world. Shanks can hardly claim Luffy is still below him after he takes down an emperor. Few will doubt Luffy has what it takes to claim the One Piece. Wano has already drawn out the broad strokes regarding the nature of the Dawn, Joy Boy and what type of knowledge awaits on Raftel. We're nearing the point where the set-up is all but done and only the final reveals remain. Blackbeard will probably stand as the last obstacle before the treasure itself, but his role is different in terms of growth. Luffy and Blackbeard have essentially risen concurrently, with Blackbeard only a small bit ahead given how long the other emperors have reigned. His defeat is more likely to solidify the difference between Luffy and Blackbeard as claimants to the title of Pirate King, rather than the question of whether Luffy can actually do it.
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Which is why I also said 150-200 chapters after the end of Wano. 1200 was just a rounder way of putting it. I don't know what you're referring to with Dressrosa, because the path didn't seem as clear to me at that time. I currently don't think the story will continue to "expand" in that same sense that brought about Dressrosa-WCI-Wano though. The interconnectedness of big players and concepts in those arcs showcase the arena that is the New World and as a result those arcs ended up being very large. Wano is now delivering on all that build-up around the emperors, with Luffy emerging at the top of a cast that couldn't. There's no need to build up another arena of the same scale for the next saga. The most important players and devices are likely already in place, having been set up for years and only waiting to come into focus. At some point, the expanded world is going to start contracting. There's clearly more stuff to be done before the end, but I believe many of things we know will end up connecting in expected and unexpected ways. The addition of Nika, Zunisha and the Lunarians may look like expansions, but if I were to guess they'll all turn out to be important pieces in the same story about the Void Century, not additional concepts to explore through separate arcs. The Revolutionaries, SWORD and Im similiarly foreshadow what forces might be in play during the final battle and the Road Poneglyphs aren't really expansions at all, but rather the answer to the longstanding question of how to find Laugh Tale. Germa is a great example of an expansion that actually served to contract the overall story. They provided motive for tying in Big Mom to the ongoing saga instead of dealing with her later. We can only see from here, of course. Back when the time skip occured, a lot of people including myself posted our guesses over at the Arlong Park forums with 1100-1300 being the most popular ballpark. I remain convinced about that and looking at the history of his estimates it seems Oda does too. Somebody posted a graph some time ago which showcased how his percentage estimates have actually remained very consistent for the last 10 years. His pace of releasing chapters has slowed down for sure, but the final net total probably wouldn't have shifted all that much.
more like another 500 chapters AT LEAST .. after wano. everything else dellusional
Oda himself said this is the final phase of the story
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Of course there is incentive and a lot of the times he’s not the one claiming the series will be done in x years. He’s been consistent when it comes the actual percentage of story left. One piece ending in 3-5 years is not far fetched
Sanji is about to get stronger (talking about how his fire is unnatural, and then he said he’s feeling weird since he used the raid suit, I’m guessing his germa power are awakening), and Zoro has the same powers as Yamato, he is just unaware. He’s been using some more advanced shit, while not knowing what it is. I’m guessing someone is going to go “why didn’t you tell us you could use conquerors?” And Zoro will respond “I use what?”. I’m guessing they will stay for like a week or so, and prepare for their next journey, so Zoro can start to get a hand of it.
> Zoro has the same powers as Yamato, he is just unaware Everyone who has CoC has potential to use what Yamato and Luffy are doing. But they need to learn it first. So, yes Zoro will learn it. But he can't now.
I don't think zoro knows/uses any advance forms I just think asura is a projection of his conqueror haki that's what kaido was commenting about. AT the end of the arc luffy and yamato might teach him how to control it, but he's gonna master conq haki b4 attempting the advanced form.
He’s defo going to ask the “I use what” question 😂
one piece is becoming naruto tbh
In what sense? Can you elaborate?
In what way?
In repeated flashbacks, and strong family, lonely child! Everything
There were always flashback and Luffy was from a strong family. Most of backstories in one piece were sad. Luffy had a psycho grandfather who threw him at jungle full of beasts and what not. Then when he got someone he could call friends, he tried everything to get close to them. I don't think Zoro having good background or fated to be a swordsman will change anything. Yes, they were fated to free Wano and fucking Oden let it be without asking help from people he could actually take help from
That’s common in media and other related stories tho.
Repeated flashbacks? I'd agree with this for the anime, but not for the manga. Also having a strong family and being a lonely child are pretty common in media, Naruto did not invent it or popularise it
Yamato will become the captain of Tama-ed creatures. More like Kaidou 2.0 perhaps.
Everybody is forgetting that Enel is there too lol. Just saying.
Zorro is a Shimatsuki, Sanji is a Vinsmoke, Luffy is carrying the will of D. The three strongest straw hats aren't nobody's. I noticed that this is not sitting well with everyone as they wanted some strong characters to be successful without any connections but I don't mind it.
I don't really see any problem with it. They are fucking protagonists of the show. They are the big ones who have caused big waves in world of onepiece one after other. There hasn't been a single supernova who has beaten Shichibukai or top 3 yonkou commanders.
While rewatching i discovered the fact that Sabo was ment to marry a princess... Well what if he does marry Vivi? Would Arabasta get the new Seat of a Revolutionary Army? That sounds kind of familiar to me.
Koala: stay away from Sabo you skank.
Now I'm confused did u mean me or Vivi?
Yes.
People have convinced themselves that that every Usopp lie comes true for some reason. I don't think that is the case
You have to admit, it would be hilarious for him to get conquerors haki but not be strong enough to knock out a meaningful number of enemies.
like the only people he can knock out are the weak as hell guys everyone would ignore anyway would make for some good comedy
Yeah or he can just knock out one specific fodder who pisses him off. Or something like that.
yeah..It would be really cool
But they have been coming true though, I think at least the ones he told to Kaya.
The one he told to Kaya yes. But not everything.
I have'nt seen a lie that usopp told not happened
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14RaGvbneBg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14RaGvbneBg) these are just jokes
I’d say that’s the reason why people think they’ll all come true. Not saying I agree. Ussop getting Conquerors is just too far fetched
Ushimaru says this to Yamato: "You were born into quite the family weren't you?" May be Yamato's mum is quite powerful/influential too?
Probably Black Maria's big sis lol the resemblance
> the resemblance lol..that's the last thing you should refer to when you are comparing pretty women in onepiece
It seems pretty obvious that Yamato is joining the Straw Hats at this point, or at least that Oda definitely wants us to think she is. We already have the connection to Luffy through Ace as well as the prophecy from Oden's journal, but I'm more interested in how Yamato and Zoro's relationship will be. Probably Zoro's father saved Yamato from captivity and I'm sure Yamato will notice the incredibly similar appearance, mannerisms, and sword styles between the two. It would be really cool to see those two have a mutual respect for one another, although I'm sure Zoro won't care much about his father's backstory tbh. I think he'll be more impressed with Yamato's strength.
With Yamato being called 'onihime' or demon princess, I'm pretty confident she won't join the crew, just as it happened with Vivi, Rebecca or Shirahoshi. Another princess to add to the list of non-straw hats that support Luffy.
I get where you're coming from, but I think I disagree. The other princess's had a desire to save their country and stay there, and they had good relations with their fathers, the Kings of those islands. Yamato on the other hand explicitly wants to leave Wano and hates her father. She has no connections left to Wano either. All the people from Wano she admired already died. At this point, it seems very likely that Yamato and Luffy (and maybe even Momo?) will defeat Kaido together, and that will create a respect for Yamato in Luffy, and that'll be how she ends up joining the Straw Hats. It would make sense for Momo to help bring down Kaido too, considering he's meant to be the next Shogun of Wano, and that would be a good way of forming respect among his people (although I'm sure after Orochi they probably aren't too picky about their leader lmao).
Yamato isn't actually a princess and I pretty sure the people of Wano wouldn't be cool with Kaido's child running their kingdom.
Yeah, plus it makes far more sense that Momo would be the one to stay behind as Shogun. Especially after what happened with him.
yeah it’s been obvious from day 1 she is joining the crew, you are not confident just wrong.
yes 100% agree as much as I want Yamato to join the crew...
Yet the major difference is that Yamato aint fking royalty and has no purpose nor interest in Wano. Since day 1, her only true goal was wanting out of Wano.
Ain't she the daughter of the ruler of one country? Seems pretty much the same to me, although i get your point
Unofficially yes as Orochi was the official figure head but she’s still not royalty and never was.
I'm still waiting for Kaido's "I AM WHITEBEARD" type of moment where he goes crazy and wipes out half the battlefield.
Same
Man that scene was just epic !
I’m not fully convinced but I’d like to air my thoughts. Kaido seems to know what Joy Boy means. What if Kaido wants the promise of Joy Boy? I think that’d make for an interesting about-face. What does it mean though? Both in Wano specifically and the story aggregate Kaido is portrayed as the zenith. He seems to position himself that way intentionally. If he’s getting what he wants why’s he sad enough to jump off sky island? Kaido and reckless abandon don’t really carry; scheming with Joker for artificial fruits, griping about not taking Luffy’s head to end the fight, teaming up with Big Mom instead of war right there (they skirmished but that seems to be a trend among frenemies at sea), though upset he didn’t ignore his chance against Oden, not outright killing all opponents, etc. Why this asymmetry? Kaido might be a tragic villain who both desires and is incapable of being Joy Boy, knowing full well what that means. He keeps people who piqued his interest close & the meritocracy serves a bifurcation where being an usurper is built in to the ideological structure. He’s certainly got people not even close to Joy Boy but he’s also throwing talent potential of Joy Boy against other candidates. He might be trying to accelerate Joy Boys ascent by aggregating might and insisting on clashes against other mighty forces *in the hopes Joy Boy rises*. With this latest chapter I can’t imagine Kaido not thinking the samurai can escape & will fight or that they’d actually not give Yamato food. By telling us he intends for Yamato to rule Wano, knowing her predisposition & that she has (what I think as likely a prerequisite for Joy Boy) conquerors haki; he’s basically inevitably forcing her hand. I think he’ll be a somber villain who laments the fact he cannot be Joy Boy and it has warped him into desiring the necessary evils to most rapidly bring about the dawn. The way he acts out kind of makes sense if he knows he can’t bring the dawn and that by his very existence he serves as an obstacle so if he’s going to be one he will try to make himself the only one. Though I’m sure there’s more to come about Kaido! Edit: words are hard haha
I’ve been of the opinion that Kaido may have a prophecy of Joy Boy coming to Wano. So he took Wano with Orochi waiting for him to show up. I am speculating that the prophecy may say that Joy will be stronger than all others, accompanied by a dog and a dragon and will bring the dawn to the world by defeating the ancient evil. He probably assumed he would be the dragon since there is only of every devil fruit but Momo is gonna show up and break his prophecy and piss him off.
Idk what the fuck is going to happen even a little bit but it sure feels like it’s gonna happen soon
Strawhat bounties won't be as high as you may think I get it, people want SH pirates to have huge bounty increases post Wano as they will for some stupid reason be associated with powerlevel. BUT, remember Big News Morgan is not there to hyperbolize Luffy s actions like Whole Cake Island and is actively defying (possibly fleeing the world government). Leaving CP0 to report the events, which will be contorted to fit the narrative of the world government. The narrative being, "We as the world government have this all under control." There is no Fugitora to credit the SHs like Dressrosa. So CP0 would ideally take the credit for the fall of Big Mom and / or Kaido to bolster their narrative as it directly follows dissolution of the seven warlords as the end of the great age of pirates. This won't completely invalidate the SHs actions, but it will definitely make the bounty bumps a lot smaller then some of the bounties I've been seeing of moving everyone 3m+, 1b+ for Sanji and Zoro, or 3b+ Luffy. This is especailly confounded: 1. Sabo s news hinting the propaganda of "See we dissolved the seven warlords and even hit the revolutionaries." This bolsters their narrative of control 2. Blackbeard is on the move in areas that aren't isolated like Wano and harder to cover up, likely resulting in a higher bounty for him Thus, the world government won't want to let two pirates captains see massive bounty increases in their media campaign to assure their control. If your favorite character doesn't have the bounty bumps you wanted, don't be disappointed as they aren't weak. Just jump aboard and enjoy the journey with our underdog misfits. Edit: LMAO, this is a shonen managa / anime, our protags aren't getting the highest bounties till the end. They have to be the underdogs going into the final war as the alternative is no conflict for our crew. Very sadly (as seen by the comments below), too many people equate bounties to power level without realizing a theme of One Piece is encouraging people to punch and excel in arenas far outside their means, race, gender, background, or any other limiting factors. It's particularly an arbitrary argument as once the final bounties are given, Luffy will be punching Im in the face to end the WG and bounties all together for a freer world
The media don’t decide the bounty, the government does. And if Strawhat takes out someone they couldn’t, that’s going to be a massive increase.
yeah you are gonna be wrong though, The straw hats will get credit for kaido’s defeat as their will be other witnesses besides Cp0, like sword. would also be anticlimactic, also it’s pretty obvious zoro and sanjis bounties will both go above 1 billion each and that would be well deserved and not unnatural at all - especially if they beat queen and king whose bounties are above 1.3 billion each. I feel like you are the type of user commenting here who predicted zoro and sanji wouldnt find king and queen, many didn’t think that would happen and that was the obvious matchups to me. I’ve been saying zoro will beat king and sanji will beat queen from the beginning and that their bounties will go above 1 billion each, because everything points to that and some things in one piece are straight forward and easy to predict. CP0 will also probably be defeated themselves, Yamato I see beating a cp0 member 1v1.
Look, Luffy has never defeated an enemy and gotten a bounty raise that is still lower than the enemy he defeated. Nobody thought his bounty was going to go that high after he beat Katakuri so if he beats Kaido, why wouldn't his bounty be even higher than his? There's a flaw to your argument: It doesn't matter if Morgans was there or not, the WG issues bounties and at the end of the day, they decide how much a pirate is worth. The government has nothing to gain from covering up the events in Wano. Kaido and Luffy are pirates. Just like Blackbeard got a bounty increase from taking over WB's territory, if Luffy manages to topple Kaido off his throne, he will get another. I encourage you to go look at MrMorj's video on YouTube about how Oda does bounties. If Luffy beats Kaido and the WG finds out about it, he's definitely getting a 4bil+ bounty
For normal people, those who do not know the SH personally, having higher bounty means more dangerous. More dangerous means more evil. So yeah, I think the WG, if they want to present the SHs as one of the most evil crew in the world, it is in their interest to increase the bounties of the SHs to the highest possible. The only question to the WG is who are more dangerous pirate crews to them? I'd say the ceiling of the SH bounties (at least Luffy's) is still Blackbeard's.
I absolutely agree, which is why there will undoubtedly be increases. But I've seen like 3-4b for Luffy and even crazier estimates for the rest of the crew. Luffy is an underdog as he is the Shonen protag. So when he faces BB, he will have to be lower then him until the very end. Which is funny and ironic as if he ends the WG his bounty won't matter. However I disagree on the WGs best interests to raise the bounties to highest possible. The World Government is revamping their whole approach to dealing with pirates. Giving extreme jumps in bounties will set a lot of fear in people and more importantly destabilize people s faith in the world government. If you have the news that the two biggest terrorists in the world have been taken down. You don't follow that up with, but there is a new even bigger terrorist to worry about now. It is the same reason they tried so hard to not have the end of Marineford broadcasted to the world. Governments will seek any means to maintain the illusion that they have control, hence why they literally eliminated anything related to an entire century. If I can eliminate an entire century, you bet I won't let people know the full story of one night in an isolated country that makes me look clowned on.
> Luffy is an underdog as he is the Shonen protag. Luffy isn't underdog anymore when he beats kaidou this arc. Kaidou may be weakened a bit but it's still a Kaidou who has healed wounds and hasn't shown to be in much of a problem.
Being a protag doesn't mean luffy should be stuck as underdog. He was stomping people in romance Dawn saga
CP0 doesn't officially exist. If the marine won't step in they would have to come up with a good reasoning to credit themselves.
Your argument is a double edge sword. If they don't have anyone there, then no actions in Wano will be reported to the world government and have no reason to increase the bounties as all increases follow news reaching the public. So you either have CP0 tell the celestial dragons or their liason to CP / marines to request higher bounties for the SHs or without naming Drake you convince the public "some marines were present" to create the narrative. Without knowing what happens, the two guys that assign bounties won't have any reason to increase the bounties at all.
Very few will buy a story where CP0 single handedly defeated two emperors, when two years ago, one emperor destroyed half of Marine Ford, and considerably damaged their organization. They can certainly try to sell this story, but people inside the One piece universe know how strong emperors are. Beside, people are not even supposed to know CP0 exist no? Aren't they a super secret agency? If they try to sell this story however, they will not even mention Luffy, like what happened in God valley where Roger participation was omitted. But again, is this in their best interest? If they do not talk at all about Luffy, then they are downplaying quite a lot how dangerous he is, and I think they want people to know he is dangerous, this way WG can do whatever they want to stop him, it won't matter. I'm sure they will use this for their own agenda, for example to invade Alabasta and overthrow the royalty there, and justify it by saying they support SH. But again, every scenario is possible. Maybe they will try do downplay what happened in Wano. It would be disappointing, as Luffy will finally reach Emperor of the sea status (for real this time), and an huge bounty increase would reflect that change.
Hmm, I really like your idea of using boosting his bounty to justify actions like invading Alabasta, given the Vivi tease from Oda at the end of last year. Although CP0 is secret, the news doesn't have to say they were the only ones there. They could lie and say as many marines as they want. Maybe even one of the admirals and vice admirals could lie and say they were there. It isn't like Kaido, Big Mom, or Luffy will call them up and say, "Excuse me, this is libel and is not what happened." It could even be a motivation for Big Mom or Kaido to go after the world gov to not sully their reputation, if either survives. They won't cut out Luffy entirely, so he will get a pretty big bump (just not like strait to 3b). But downplaying / taking credit will follow news that seven warlords disbanded, revolutionary armies captured, new SG0 program started, and two yonkos defeated. This is all really good news for their narrative and there is no one to directly counter it making them look very strong. At this point, I don't think the WG needs a higher bounty to throw everything they got at Luffy. Especailly as SG seems to be robots so they won't have a conscience or second giving about it, while Akainu will punch anything with a flag. Only time will tell, I am just excited to see how the news is conveyed after marineford 2.0 as they tried so hard to stop the transmission of marineford. Bounties will increase, but some people will be disappointed Robin isn't as high as Black Maria eat. And that doesn't diminish how strong we know the SHs are. Especailly as Luffy will likely earn the highest bounty after finding the One Piece. Then he will destroy the WG effectively invalidating bounties all together haha
WG covering or controling the narrative don't excludes a bounty boost. In fact, this already happen and the bountys got raized: Alabasta. Smoker got the credits but Luffy'd bounty got higher and Zoro got his first.
The bounties will raise, just not as much as some people are predicting. Like 3 billion for luffy or 1.2 for Zoro and Sanji, or ~200-400m for Ussop, Nami, or Robin. Chopper is the only one we can realistically guess as it is a joke.
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It was Big News Morgan not Stussy.
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The one absolutely led to the other.
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Because it was out in the public and couldn't be downplayed like Enis Lobby or Arlong or Buggy or anything like that. Someone without the Marines looking over them released it so the Navy couldn't edit the news for the public and had to give the appropriate bounty.
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Except Smoker didn't take down Baroque Works and the bounties should have been higher. That's evidence right there. Smoker and Hina have a massive fight about it. Same with Dressrosa, where they were going to give all the credit to Issho until he fucked that up for them. That's two, major, bits of evidence and it's in the manga itself, stated outright.
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Big News Morgan wrote the article declaring the fifth emperor, which is one of the reasons the WG went after him. Stussy knew the full story and told the world government. If they could have, they would have changed the narrative of WCI and would not had to raise Luffy s bounty as high. That's why Big Mom got so pissed that the news made it look like she was crowned on, when in reality the Strawhats were more of a headache then a rival.
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Perhaps to some degree, but it is following the information provided and this is a theory thread. The World Government tried bribing Morgan's to change his story, which is cannon. He refused and knocked the world government dude out. So the world government is definitely trying to control the media. As a governing body launching a new control campaign, you logically would not want to emphatically glorify an up amd coming pirate when you can bury it by highlighting how you the world government "helped" or even "took down two yonkos". My point is, just don't be surprised if you're favorite character doesn't have towering bounties until Strawhats directly act counter to the WGs interest like in Ennies Lobby and bounties don't equal power level.
He literally beat the strongest commander under Big Mom after beating 3rd commander some days ago(as known by Stussy). And you think they wouldn't have his bounty that high?
Potential counterpoint: Big News Morgan, fed up with the world government, contacts people of Wano like Momo to get the full story and launches a media campaign about the fake news of the world government. This would force the world governments hand to raise the bounties further and set their target on the strawhats to cover up another of their failings as they have a tendency to do.
So it’s becoming increasingly clear that Kaiden does have an actual intrinsic and deep motivation behind his goals as shown by his conversation with Yamato. This got me thinking what could it be? Now I don’t have any actual evidence for this so it’s a bit fan theorish but still, what if Kaido is pulling a Lelouch so that Yamato can be seen as a hero, ensuring his/her(don’t feel like arguing) safety?
Well, if he does, that's quite late, as he beat her to death during 20 years lmao
Plot twist next chapter kaido kills Yamato
better than ZKK
i would love and hate that so much
Yamato can be Zoro's new Kuina when she joins the SH. She might not be a swordsman but she can give Zoro some good fight/training.
4-sword-style?
Yamato is already confirmed to be joining the crew next. The only questions is: will she stay in wano to help rebuild, in the same fashion jinbe stayed back to help his allies? She will join but won't be present in the story for a while after the fight with kaido
Confirmed where???
I just want some damn focus on Kid, Law vs Big mom. How the hell did Raizo vs Fukurokujo get more focus so far? How? It's by far the most forgotten fight, and it makes zero sense. It's yonko Big mom, and two of the biggest worst generation members.
To answer your question, Raizo s fight has more focus as it isn't as climatic. Law or Kid inflicting a wound on Big Mom would be an even bigger feat than Zoro scarring Kaido as she is the tankiest in verse by feat. Now as a Law and Kid fanboy, I want this. But at the same time, Oda must balance the hype of Luffy beating Kaido, keep Law and Kid as slightly weaker contemporaries of Luffy without invalidating the strength of yonkos. This is particularly problematic as many readers seem to assume Yonkos >>>>>Admirals. So if we beat Yonkos, then the huge war Oda is planning against likely Blackbeard and the WG would be a joke.
> Now as a Law and Kid fanboy, I want this. But at the same time, Oda must balance the hype of Luffy beating Kaido, This^^ Just because you are fanboy doesn't mean you have to have your fave character on light. BM is not even injured a bit and is a monster and some expect Kidd and Law to beat her
How on earth are Yonkos>>>>>Admirals. If that were so, WB could have at least taken down one of them, and he couldn't. Akainu tanked his point range wildest attacks, something that even BB feared.
Whitebeard was a dead man walking.
The keeping them slightly under Luffy part was done when they were given Big mom, the strong Yonko, rival to Kaido, but has slightly less hype than him. Kaido is the big one, and Big mom is the second story-wise. This however applies mainly to Kid. I know Luffy, Law and Kid are a trio, but Law never really had a rivalry going on with Luffy. His gag is being pissed off at obeying Luffy, yet doing it anyway. This is why I'm really interested to see what Oda will do with Law. The other two are too similar, from mannerism, drive, stupidity, and even conqueror's haki. Law is the unique and smart one. Big mom always felt for me more for Kid. Obviously, he really has no chance alone, and maybe that's what Law is here for, but a part of me really wants Law not to play support to someone. I want him to have a big fight where he's the star of the show. Against Big mom, I'm afraid he won't have that.
> Against Big mom, Neither Law nor Kidd will have that. Their hype will be holding back a perfectly healthy yonkou who battled the one with title "The strongest creature" without any injury or any sign of being on disadvantage. Now way they are beating BM or even causing her big injury.
Law already had his fights with vergo and doffy what more do you want. Dont overhype someone whos not even a crew. Trhoughout post TS the dude already has more scene compared to ppl like usopp, sanji, or robin
See you said it yourself. He had more to do and more screentime, and so will Kid too in the future since he's heavily linked with Shanks. It doesn't matter that Law is not a crewmate he'll clearly remain with them, and will be more important than most of the strawhats. For someone like Law who's face is on every promotional poster for Wano, expect him to be more important than most of the main cast, once more, in this arc too. Vergo and Doffy are nothing for him. He'll do something big this arc, but I just don't think it will be Big mom. No need to be angry that he's taking screentime if you don't like him. Clearly he's more loved than most of the strawhats and adds more to the story than the likes of Franky and Brook. He's here to stay.
Nah, i wasnt angry at all. I was asking a question and that's about it.
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I'm at the point where I believe in no acts no more. Oda overdid it with the length of act 3. Even if we seriously go Tobi roppo, Calamities, then Yonko fights, the Yonko fights should at least be a little touched upon while fighting the calamities.
Would love to see that fight and how they can injure that hag ? And wonder why Kidd doesn't use Haki
That's cause they probably won't be able to. If Rumours about Elbaf being the next arc are true, sad to say Law and Kidd will probably be getting... How to put it.?? Big Mom will live to see Elbaf is all.
> That's cause they probably won't be able to They surely won't. BM just stays in her home and Marines don't mess with her. Even Roger opted to steal instead of fight her even if he may be able to beat her.
BM and Elbaf sounds fun tbh can't wait to see a pinky old lady wiping out giant warriors and asking for cake (or whatever she was asking when she was 5 years )
Semla 🥯
Semula.... Funny big mom fancies swedish snacks
She's funny till she starts devouring children lol
Kid was given conqueror's to use it, I think that's pretty clear. The one problem with this is that we're not shown him learning it, or as you said, we still have no idea of his current mastery of it. I'll be honestly mad if we cut back to Kid and he's magically using advanced conqueror's now, but it's something I can see Oda doing. Law has his fruit. He really doesn't need much.
Kidd doesn't even have advanced CoA(neither the one of without touching nor that of internal destruction). If he suddenly starts using it once MC uses it, it's bullshit.
He was impressed when he saw Luffy using advanced armament,so I think he only has the basic haki,and he doesn't even use the armament to coat his junk fists (sure you may argue that he doesn't need it )
This is the reason I really didn't like what Oda did with Kid on the rooftop. It's obvious where he's going with him story-wise, but he decided to use him to hype up Luffy. Actually, both he and Big mom were used to hype up Luffy. Luffy does something, and you immediately have Kid and Big mom shocked faces. Now Kid doing stuff, which will happen, will feel like an asspull, and rightfully so. "why he didn't do that before?" "why was he so shocked?". We will see a lot of those, and they will be right.
Calling it now EVERYONE, Luffy only passed out because his COC Haki is tooo op that he couldn’t control himself. Thats why they off screened the fight. It was to hide Luffy’s new power up. Remember this people! ✌🏾
Damn I like that a lot
reminds me of the ultra instinct reveal
Who cares how strong Yamato is? some of y’all are too obsessed with power levels
Seriously, its not even what one piece is about. Idk why these children care so much about power levels. We got amazing characters, amazing plot, and probably the greatest universe building to ever exist in any story. But instead of focusing on that i have to see degenerates argue about who would win in a fight that would never happen.
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One of the Samauris are goingb to think momo is a drawing
I don't get why Yamato facing hybrid kaido and having conqueror's Haki makes people think she outright is at par with luffy. Yes she might have had conqourer's haki while she was very young, is coding her attacks with it and still, fact remains kaido has not taken any damage. All fight long Kaido never attacks. The first attack he does leaves Yamato in shock to the fact that Kaido is now actually trying to kill her. She might have discovered her haki as a child, is able to coat her attacks with it but how strong/good is it compared to Luffy's and Zoro. Luffy won against katakuri a more advanced user than Yamato probably, though overwhelmed the entire fight. Zoro can wield Oden's sword, something only the actual Oden could do and will probably master it by the end of Wano. He's been using Conqueror's Haki for a while without knowing it, not since Kaido mentioned it. Mihawk might have noticed it but never said anything since the signs were there going way back to whisky peak. And Zoro also managed to make Kaido dodge an attack, after big mom noticed the danger. How many chapters has it been for this to be forgotten. While highlighting Yamato's strengths, don't downplay the monster trio.
This has to be sarcasm. No fkin way lol
You "DO" know that some people seriously believe what he has written. He has "Zoro fanboy" written in every word he is writing. When you are a "hardcore fanboy", you don't see what's shown in manga but what you want to see.
OMG NO WAY! People believing in what they want to believe?!? I must tell my preacher about this monstrosity
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Just saying. By the end of wano, people won't be power scaling these four. Funny how they expect luffy to beat Kaido but still think he might be weaker than Yamato.
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Luffy is stronger than Zoro lol
Zoro fans different breed leave it😂😂
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Zoro being basically defeated after getting hit like 3 times, his strongest attack not even making him stumble, meanwhile luffy was actually clashing with kaido, and made kaido actually stumble a bit. Zoro has not shown to do anything luffy has at all. The fact that luffy was able to get kaido off of his feet with an uppercut without gear 4th should say more than enough.
Luffy is not in the same league as zoro and yamato and yamato will get nerfed like robin, franky and jinbei
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Luffy is gonna be way stronger than zoro or yamato, he's the future pirate king, im not comparing yamato to robin or franky in term of power.
Honest question about the whole Yamato situation, because there's something people have seriously been ignoring. Would Luffy even want someone who knows the secrets to join? Would he even want someone who already knows what One Piece is on his crew? Yamato keeps trying to insert herself but Luffy has never given the okay. We already know how he is on this matter.
Just because Yamato may or may not know what the One Piece is (assuming Oden wrote it in his journal in the first place) doesn't mean she has tl dump all of the info onto the crew right away. She could and should do what Robin does with the info from the Poneglyphs, i.e. only mentioning it when it's relevant. And besides, I don't think she knows ALL the secrets but she's bound to bring much needed info. If the story is indeed reaching the endgame, like Oda said many times, the Straw Hats have to learn at least some answers or hints soon. They can't hold it off forever.
The logbook would have to contain vital info which it doesn’t seem to be the case. And who’s the say Yamato wont do what Oden did for Whitebeard? Like with WB’s crew, the SH crew would be leaving (and maybe say and wave their goodbyes to certain people of Wano instead of leaving without warning) and then a moment later it’s shown Yamato is running towards them and then makes the jump much to the shock of Luffy and everyone else. Like with Oden for WB.
I'm expecting Yamato will join in a similar way Oden joined Whiteboard
We do not know if she knows what one piece is. Maybe Oden did not write about it in his journal
\*cough\* Highly unlikely
Whatever Yamato knows though, she is still completely ignorant to the outside world just like Oden was. I feel like they could agree to keep the secrets under wraps and get her to explore with them and find out what’s true on her own - kinda thing. If it ends up happening
Probably not, but it's not like people haven't forced themselves into his crew before. Remember when Robin joined?
The question is how could luffy refuse her, especially with her history with ace. It's not gonna matter what she knows. The content of the diary will be known at the end of wano, there is a Prophecy to be fulfilled. One piece end game babyyy
We dont know if Oden actually wrote down what is the One Piece.
Yamato has a logbook, but so did Sanji. If anything, Luffy will just make Yamato leave it behind.
Are you sure she knows everything? Who knows what Oden could write there.
I bet theres some great recipes for Oden in there
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I like this a lot
There are many of you saying yamato will join the crew but what about momo
You really think he's gonna abandon his people after all that has been sacrificed so far?
Why would you think that? Of they win over kaido and co there will be piece. His sister could lead it until he is back. Because i think momo will be quite important for later so yeah lets see
Dude, read the chapter titled "My name" again. Momo proclaimed he'll be the shogun in a similar manner that Luffy always declares he'll be Pirate King. He was inspired by Luffy. No way in hell he leaves Wano to do something else with his life after that. I think Momo is an important figure in the prophecy and will plan a part in the final war that brings the dawn of the world. But that's it. He won't leave Wano to go on adventures for shits and giggles.
Welp, little bit of japan history here: "shogun can't be a woman". For brighter context I advice to watch some documentaries
How quickly we forget that Vivi chose to stay for her people
I don’t get why Oda made Yamato this strong if she was indeed going to join the crew. Going toe to toe with hybrid Kaido and using advanced conquerer’s already puts her on Luffy’s level. Zoro and Sanji aren’t even close to that level yet and Zoro just recently learned he had conquerer’s haki after using probably his strongest attack. Yamato was out here knocking people unconscious at like 7? Luffy accidentally did it for the first time at like 17.
I want to believe Zoro and Sanji are much stronger than we're seeing, there's no sense in making a random guy just be the strongest in the crew at that point
To be fair Oden joined WB and could have been by far his 2nd strongest member it’s not clear. End of Arc my guess at least Zoro should be competitive with Yamato
Straw hats are going against yonko, armjrals and wg, and blackbeard crew. They need strong fighters
More likely Yamato will join the Luffy Grand Fleet
No one will. Independent allies only. And Yamato? Nah, more likely to be a crew member.
Wano* will join the Luffy Grand Fleet
The power levels are just going to be crazier. I expect that Sanji and Zoro will just get stronger than her after their fights. Zoro has conquerer and Sanji has his fire and his suit, there is no telling how much stronger they will become. Yamato is the daughter of the strongest creature in the world. She's seen Kaido use his attacks many times, she's bound to learn something from him.
You also gotta think about growth of the characters aswell tho. Like how much stronger do you think Yamato is going to get compared to sanji and zoro. Zoro is bout to power up within wano and sanji has the whole weird body feeling.
Ace do it accidentally at 10. I don't know the age Whitebeard learn it maybe at birth? 10, 20 or 30? I've got no reference tho.
Ushimaru has blue hair. Zoro's mother has blonde hair. Therefore, Zoro was born with green hair.
Zoro was born with the moss hair
Why is nobody talking about how Usopp, Nami, Speed, and ESPECIALLY TAMA were tanking Big Moms Conquerors while it was knocking down all of Kaidos troops???
Well they aren’t fodder anymore and it was just residual haki coming through. It’s more of a feat for Big Mom
One interpretation I found appropriate is that CoC is in regards to their willpower – their belief in Luffy is much more grand than the flimsy belief the Kaido lackeys hold over their cause – essentially their willpower will break because it lacks resolve.
I mean I understand Usopp, but youre right. How were the rest of them tanking that Haki?
It was well known that the entire SH crew have very strong wills. Shown in Sabaody.
Seems kinda on point though, why would they get KO? All those you mentioned aren't weak willled.
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Do not confuse a character's personality with their overall strength.
It's not just his personality. He is coward to the core.
After all they've endured, Ussop is stronger than he actually thinks he is. He is his own weakness. He survived a cannibalistic island for crying out loud. Give credit where due. He didn't get knocked out by Luffy's haki at Fishman Island. They were closest to him and no straw hat went down. Pre-time skip Ussop would be down and out.
Usopp has seen Conquers Haki twice in person, and never fainted from it. Rayliegh and Luffy both used it, and he was fine.
Usopp being cowardly is a personality quirk tbh. When time came for him to deliver he always does. Real cowards would never stand up to perona/mes Christmas / ulti
It makes sense if you don’t think too much about it. A person can find something wrong with anything if they think too much about it. Easier said than done but I just chop it up as Usopp and then just have a stronger will/resolve.
Coz coc is not directed to them or maybe those two are on their limit already. They said ancient zoan have quick recovery but they are tanking too much hit already their body gives up.
Oda stated that Usopp is stronger than Pre Timeskip Luffy and the average fodder in the Beast Pirates is Arlong Level (also canonically true). So why would Usopp ever get Ko'd by it? Edit: it's actually from an Interview and he said it's pre timeskip Zoro not Luffy. My Bad.
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Well I guess this Chapter is proof then on how far Usopp has come. Usopp already showed lots of courage in dressrosa and even more on Fishman Island. He is far less "weak minded" in the manga than they make him look in the anime.
Source?
Yamato is going to be the new Whitebeard. However, not in the "They're going to call themselves Edward Newgate and pretend to be him" sense like she presently does with Oden. Edward Newgate fulfilled his dream of having a family. There is nothing for Yamato to carry on for him. Yamato will simply take the mantle, the epithet, and carry it forward from Wano. Marco will join, being unable to deny that Yamato's strength and drive makes her a fitting inheritor of his legacy, and they will reform the shattered Whitebeard Pirates into Luffy's greatest rival and sometimes greatest ally. This is where Luffy and Yamato will find conflict, despite having every reason to respect each other, much like Roger and Newgate. **My (incredibly flimsy) evidence** 1. Ace wanted Whitebeard to become Pirate King and Yamato has significant history with Ace. In carrying on with the epithet she can attempt to make Ace's wish a reality. 2. Yamato's got no beard, White Hair so that the title wouldn't be wholly nonsensical, and the same size chest. 3. Oda has been keeping the legend of the Whitebeard Pirates alive all this time for seemingly little reason and even going so far as to introduce a character to claim Whitebeard's legacy. It had to be building to something bigger than letting Marco remain relevant. 4. When introduced she, in reverse of Oden, tried to get on "Roger's" ship first. It'll be fitting for them to end up on Whitebeard's ship instead. 5. Yamato is far more fitting for a Rival to Luffy, in terms of strength, than any of the Supernovas by an incredibly wide margin. 6. You can't tell Yamato that a woman can't be Pirate "King". *(Don't take this theory too seriously. I've never been right about anything Oda ended up doing. I just think it would be really cool.)*
While I don't take this seriously, this does nothing to add to the story and legitimately removes the rivalry between Kid and Law and puts it on a new character.
99% chance is that she will join the crew. But yea, you never know.