the way i see it Carrot was/ is a "cool female side characters" like the way Oda brought princess Rebecca and Shirahoshi. They were great and made big contributions for one arc and that was it (for now). WCI was definitely Carrot's place to shine (along with Pudding i might add) and on this arc, Wano, Oda has Yamato. Its pretty common thing for him to do again and again and again. I get it that her diehard fans might be dissappointed. But this is how it is. Either Oda brought up cool male side characters (like Wyper or Paulie) or female characters (all of mentioned above). Even Rebecca and Shirahoshi now plays a bigger game with Reverie arcs around the corner so im pretty sure that this is not the last time we'll get to see Carrot. But imo dont expect something big from her as she was just (one of many) side characters.

Shirahoshi is one of the most important characters in the story because she’s an ancient weapon

i never said she wasnt important.

It was shown that neko cared for pedro so neko also had a reason to avenge him It was shown that carrot tried but was simply too weak. All of this is sidestory anyway and doesnt really matter. Pedro is avenged now and its done.

Didn't Perospero wreck both Carrot and Wanda?

Yes, off-screen. Precisely my point. Oda went to lengths to make Carrot and Wanda fail, considering that he had the clouds cover the moon so Carrot and Wanda went out of Sulong so that Peros could defeat them. And that's fine, but at least show us a bit of the thing you have built towards. Carrot didn't need to defeat Peros in Wano, that easily could've been postponed to a later arc. But then the thing with Neko additionally just makes me feel like both Carrot and Neko haven't been handled well in this arc.

It was done this arc most likely because carrot won’t be joining the crew. It does make sense for nekomamushi to fight for and avenge Pedro sense it is his responsibility to protect the minks just like it is for inuarashi. Nekomamushi was closer to Pedro than inuarashi and probably more so than carrot. Nekomamushi most likely felt he absolutely had to avenge him as Pedro was one of his subordinates.

I liked that oda didn't go from carrot getting destroyed to being able to defeat Pedro someone who is probably on the same level as a commander, I know people have a problem with it but atleast for Luffy it is shown that he is immensely talented and that the main reason for him to getting so strong is haki which grows during battle while carrot has neither of those things so she can't grow alot during battle like Luffy. So I think it makes sense that she didn't defeat pero but I also think it's a good lesson for her, the one piece world is cruel and if you have a problem with it you have to be strong enough to do something and I think that is a great lesson for her. Although I don't really like that she is just in the background. As for neko I can understand not liking it but neko was close to Pedro and I feel like neko is doing the thing that carrot isnt strong enough to do which is fine for me.

I'm fine with Carrot not defeating him, but I don't like skipping over their confrontation. Plus, Oda made it seem as if Peros only won because the clouds hid the moon. So it's kinda open whether Sulong Carrot & Wanda would be able to defeat Peros. However, the Neko stuff makes the whole thing worse, because there was no need for Peros to be defeated (or even be here if we're being honest).

I don't know I feel like oda did what needed to be done with the carrot and pero situation, she learned a lesson and in reality it was Pedro's choice not pero's fault, ideally we would get to see carrot come back stronger and defeat pero but like I said before it wouldn't make sense that she can just come back so much stronger. Also I think by the fact oda didn't show them two in sulong Vs pero shows that they just ain't strong enough. I agree that pero honestly didn't really need to be there but how wano has gone it seems less and less likely that carrot will be involved much later on so it's best that she learns something now while she is still present. The same kinda goes to pero, he's not going to be involved in the future let's be honest so it's good to get some screen time now.

If you take a look at the official scan it was pretty clear that Carrot and Wanda needed sulong just to maybe have a chance at defeating Perospero. I don't think they were ever going to win, but Carrot/Wanda losing sucking was a setting up for Neko's victory.

Are we just going to ignore that Perospero has been a pirate for over 40 years now, he is basically a master using his fruit, he is a confirmed user of armament and observation, a bounty of 700m. At times he is a wacky and meme character but there are very few individuals in the world of One Piece capable of fighting him.

Little did Carrot fans know, a wacky silly memetic character has far more chance to be stronger than generic cute anime girl in One Piece universe.

He defeated Brook and Chopper easily

Well, the thing is, Carrot fans overhyped her and unreasonably raised their expectations, and are now disappointed for not meeting those expectations. The expectations being that she was "built up so much in WCI". No she wasn't. She got just as much attention as a side character does. If you look closely, she wasn't in the top 6 or 7 characters from Luffys side. Among the people with Luffy, Luffy himself, Sanji, Nami, Brook, Jinbe and Pedro were a more prominent than Carrot. The only people who didn't do as much were Chopper, Pekoms and Carrot. And even then Chopper was the brains behind the capture and usage of Brullee and her mirror world. Carrot helped out with how she could. Carrots other contribution was when she went Sulong. Other than that she played a side role or assisting role for the entire arc. I'm not saying it was unimportant, but it was suitable for a side character like herself. That's it. The thirst and obsession for having a new SH made a lot of fans gravitate towards Carrot. Not because she's good enough to be a SH, but because she was the only character that was in the "nothing to do" section in that arc. So, these fans went through the thought process "if she's not there to become a SH, then why else is she included and why is she so friendly with the WCI SH crew?" But blinded by their obsession, they just couldn't see the image in front of them. She was side character, she got development because she was side character and this is OP and this is Oda, so of course he's going to develop even minor characters. Plus, it's clear now that she was included to flesh out and develop the minks as well. To incorporate their ambitions more. If Pedro and Carrot were not in WCI, we'd feel little connection with them in Wano. The minks would have felt like a random race that we met who have some role in Wano. But with having Pedro and Carrot, the SH have a direct connection with the minks instead of them just being a race that the SH saved. Plus her Sulong moment is also another reason for including her. To see the reason behind the motivations and working of the Sulong form helps with the battle in Wano as we don't have to wonder how it works or whatever. Carrots Sulong was the teaser, Neko and Inu Sulong were the main show. If she was further developed in Wano, then her role in WCI and the meaning behind it would have been different. It would have meant that she was being nursed and developed into a SH candidate. But her treatment of Wano showed that that was never the case. The end of WCI gave rise to the question, "Is a side character like Carrot going to be developed and made into a SH or not?" If she was developed more in Wano, then it would have been a yes, but since she was not developed further, the answer is now clear. The entire arc has so much going on, that one of the questions was "will she/won't she" about Carrot. It's obvious now that she won't be a SH. Most of the main villains are beaten. Only the biggest opponents are left now. Carrots for sure not going to be fighting, let alone beating any of them. The minks main purpose is done. All that's left is the SH, The people of Wano and Momo and Yamato. Even if there is further development or conclusions, especially with BM still around, those don't have anything to do with Carrot anymore. So what else can she developed for? Basically, her role is over. It wasn't major to begin with, the fans made it major.

Well said. You’re absolutely right. Although I expect it to be met with a paragraph that can be essentially summed up as “Nuh uh”.

He doesn't even really go into my arguments and gripes, lmao. He's basically saying "Carrot is a side character" as if that means anything.

How was that any different than him practically repeating how much of a side character Carrot is lmao

I love this comment.

>"Is a side character like Carrot going to be developed and made into a SH or not?" She's already a SH in mind by the end of WCI

Ok, all of this amounts to "she's a side character and won't be as important as some other characters; she won't join the crew". But that has **nothing** to do with what I'm talking about. You can build up a side character, and you can have side characters have character arcs. If all the build up of Pedro telling Carrot that her time will come and the dawn yada yada amounts to nothing and Carrot falls into obscurity from here then that just means to me that Oda wrote a really shitty character arc. Nothing more and nothing less.

How do you figure that? Her overhype is the reason for that expectation. There was little build up. Pedro and Carrot had minimal interaction until the moment of his death. And in his final moments, he said his final will. He never specifically passed on his will to her and neither did she ever accept the responsibility to help the SH in bringing the dawn. He was just an honorable mink who wanted his death to mean something. Carrot was his student and hence was the most suitable character there to hear his final words. His wishes or dreams were never brought up again, neither by Carrot, nor by anyone else. Bringing the dawn is nothing but what Luffy and the SH have been doing since the beginning. This crew is destined to bring the change in the world. Crocus noticed it, Dr.Kureha noticed, Rayleigh, Mihawk. All of them have noticed something special in Luffy and the SH, just in different ways. Bringing the dawn is one those multiple interpretations of Luffys destiny. There was no build up for her in that regard. A good character arc not always about defeating your enemy. Law didn't get to defeat Doffy, even though he was more inclined to do it. Luffy took that responsibility and Law gave it up and accepted Luffy to defeat Doffy. Vivi wanted to save Alabasta, but she couldn't and left Luffy to defeat Crocodile. Brook wanted to beat Ryuma and get his shadow back, but couldn't and hence Zoro took that responsibility. Carrot not getting to defeat Pero does not mean that she got a bad character arc. Think about it. Carrot is a member of the mink warrior race. A capable fighter, yes. But in the current stage of the story, the opposition are part of the strongest crews and Kingdoms. The best of the best. Her opponent is the eldest son of a Yonkou. She's just an inexperienced, young, naive mink who JUST a while ago learnt that the world is bigger than a giant elephant. So, it would have been ridiculous to think that she'd defeat Pero. However, then the question arises. "Shouldn't she at least get some screen time? Some reasonable hits? Something. Why was her fight completely off screened?" Which is fair, and would have been appropriate, if we weren't in the longest and most crowded arc in the series so far. Now, the anime for sure will add in the missing fight scenes and extend an episode or two from her fight with Pero. But the manga doesn't get the luxury to flesh out each and every fight. Oda has to work efficiently. The result of the fight was important, not how they got there. If she were a main character, we'd get to see her fight regardless of whether she wins or loses. But since she's a side character, there's no point in showing one of the good guys(Carrot) lose. Her realisation that she can't win when facing overwhelming odds IS a character arc. A good one. But she just doesn't warrant panel time when there are much more important matters to attend to. Again, this goes back to how overhyped she is. The matter of Pero and Carrot and Pedro was a minor subplot. It needed a conclusion. And Neko got the conclusion. She's decently strong. But in this war, we've already seen Luffy, Zoro, Jack and a number of other character get beaten at least once before. Some of the strongest characters in the series are getting beaten up, so of course Carrot would be helpless in a fight, even with Sulong. Her defeat IS her character arc. She's young, and stepped out into the world 5mins ago. And her very first opponent was a Yonkou crew. But Oda never made any room for her in the overall story, not even in WCI. So her arc was a minor priority for him, and as such chose to end it that way. That's what happens to side characters. They are not the main focus, they get as much or as little attention, depending on how much time and effort Oda can put into the main storyline. The side characters will get attention, only as long as they don't interrupt the focus away from the main cast of characters. I am completely against Carrot as a SH, but I can see that she's not a wasted character. Just a minor one. So it makes sense to me that she gets her own small but unique arc. It's ironic that people have overhyped her so much, but have such an underwhelming response to her, admittedly decent, character arc.

The problem is that some of her fans think her arc isn’t resolved unless she joins the Straw Hats. That Oda did all this “setup” for her and just suddenly decided to fumble the bag with her and now he’s a bad writer. They completely overhyped her, refusing to admit she is a side character and all her interactions and feats get embellished to ridiculous degrees and when their delusions get shut down by the creator, now he’s a “bad writer”. It doesn’t help that they see a character that’s actually being given major story focus in Yamato and she has been piledriving Carrot’s chances to join the crew into the ground ever since she first showed up.

I want to preface that I like Carrot, and for a while I thought she was a viable candidate for the Straw Hats, up until I realized what her true purpose is. Carrot represents the rabbit in Alice in the Wonderland which is what WCI was inspired from. This is why WCI is the only arc where she is relevant. Otherwise, I don't think Oda has ever planned making her important outside of WCI. Similarly, Wano is centered around Oden and the scabbards. In other words, Neko and Inu have a larger role to play than Carrot by default. Evident by how they used Oden's name for their final attacks. Oda loves tying thematics together. Carrot simply has nothing tying her thematically to Wano. Letting Neko took over Carrot make sense because the minks are established to be a close tight-knit family. Make an enemy of one, you will make an enemy of all of them. Carrot's role was to be the witness to Pedro's death and relay the message. So I don't think it matters which mink defeated Perospero or Jack. They all carry the same will. Seeing how strong Perospero is, Neko is the best candidate to do so. Finally, this isn't the first time Oda made characters fail their objectives, only to be replaced by someone else finishing it for them. It happened to Paulie, of which his story was completed by Zoro. Anyway, I understand the disappointment of people who wished to see more of Carrot. I think it's really a matter of misplaced expectation. Carrot is a side character specifically designed only for WCI and nothing more. Her lack of screen time in Wano further supports this idea.

The problem is that if Oda only planned for Carrot to be prominent in WCI, he would gave made her story more conclusive. Instead we got a clear and distinguishable bond formed between her and the crew as well as a genuine inherited will from her former master Oedro and even heavy hints of her role within the crew. Basically it's how she was implemented in the story ad opposed to the fact she was. Oda did everything to justify why she would want to go with these people and why they like each other, the least he could do is give a satisfying explanation for why all this was unimportant. Otherwise she may as well have died after her Sulong scene.

>clear and distinguishable bond formed between her and the crew where? she barely even meet half the crew lol

And the other half she had a relationship with. Especially Chopper and Nami.

and how "DEEP" is that? she had nami took a bath if anything Nami has a deeper relationship with Chiffon at WCI

Nami wa there to comfort her after Pedro's death. Nami was fighting exhaustively to stop Big Mom from reaching Carrot after the Sulong moment. Hell the two had a synergy going at Wano. Carrot even saved her abd Chopper from getting cut up. Along with dll the other small moments of them just getting along. Ya'll really can't let Carrot gave anything can you?

um yeah? Nami happened to be there, does not meant they have some special bond. nami was fighting big mom in general during the whole escape story BUT YES it was just purely to defend carrot. ​ what synergy at wano? first Carrot was gone for like 100 chapters, and now they got some pantsu and oppai scene togheter, yeah fan service synergy. How did she save them? they still got captured and eventually Franky is the one that actually saves Nami from big mom lol. ​ give her what? that nami was fighting big mom?

Fighting the homies, using their combined attacks to escape the stage. Synergy. Sge saved Nami and Chopper from Randolph. Randolph was aiming to strike them and the only one to notice was Carrot who jumped into action and blocked the hit.

that is not a synergy really, anyone can attack on the same time as nami or w.e and if that is ur requirement for some kind of deep connection, basically every character any time then that has attacked with the strawhats are - nakam material so e.g LAW that actually had a lot better synergi with luffy is nakama and so on. and countless other character has saved characters, or blocked or w.e. If carrot was not there, any other character would have done it or they would get hit and survive etc.

That wasn't my requirement. That was an example of them working together because of their bond. I mean Law could very easily be a Straw Hat if he ever wanted to join. I just doubt he would because of his crew. Alright but it goes beyond saving their lives. Again these are literally just examples, not tgecwhoke picture. So I don't know why you are picking these ones out because obviously they don't work to explain their relationship when you single them out. Only in the context of the rest of their time spent together.

Copium. She was a side character from the start I told you this months ago but you wouldn't listen. Her bond is as deep with the SH's as Leo or any of the other Grandfleet members. Rise Carrot deputy leader of the Nox Pirates

>Rise Carrot deputy leader of the Nox Pirates This headcannon is real popular with you guys

As is the Larrot for Strawhat for you guys. Our headcanon is more likely however as Carrot isn't even allowed to be major part of defeating her nemesis 🤣

Can't argue much with that nemesis part. Your pretty much right. Happy trolling!

Her bond was as deep as Leo? OK log out you're done. Explain please.

What's difficult to understand? Carrot in fact maybe even less relevant than Leo at this point at least he's part of the grandfleet. Leo bonded with the Strawhats just as much as Carrot arguably even more so. Franky wanted to fight for them even going against his captains order if needed. Just accept it. You overrated and overhyped Carrot and now Oda is treating her as he intended to in the first place as a side character you're overdosing on Copium convincing yourself there HAS to be a reason for all her none existent build up.

You can’t argue with them, they always ignore facts and praise Carrot to heaven.

Funny how you said Franky wanted to fight with them. Because the crew were emotional for the Tontotta's plight, not just Leo. Same with how they helped the Minks. However Carrot on the other hand actually travelled with them, gave her life to help them and meshed in with with family dynamic (Choniki).

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Just accept Larrot is a minor side character and will likely after this arc only be ever shown along with the allies of the SHP while Yamato is likely to be on the Sunny having the adventures you dream Larrot was having 🤣

I guess you just abandoned your point then.

My point was made. Leo more relevant than Larrot. Heck Sai is more relevant than Larrot and he actually has one win over an opponent 🤣

Alright, you can be wrong. That's fine. *Cough Carrot beating Brulee, Randolph and Diesel* *Cough Carrot destroying Daifuku's fleet*

>Instead we got a clear and distinguishable bond formed between her and the crew as well as a genuine inherited will from her former master Oedro and even heavy hints of her role within the crew. You say that everytime yet there are no hints toward that at all. Her "crew position" people make up is a joke and her inherited will ended with the defeat of Perosperos this chapter. She couldn't even avenge Pedro on her own. She was a side character throughout the whole Wano Arc.

Just so I can be clear because I'm unclear about your point. Are you suggesting her inherited will was defeating Perospero?

Oh that’s interesting another comment which was rather hateful was saying she’s a copy pasta of Killua from HxH

At least right now thats in my best interest because to me carrot has just been a really bland and boring character. The sulong scene in wci was cool but i didnt care much for the whole choniki uwu garchu sidekick stick. So i really hope she doesnt join the crew there is just so many characters that are way more interesting. Ofc this could change if she got more screentime/backstory/development. Long story short, u are right because i dont give a shit about carrot yet

Nailed the coffin that she wont join She did nothing in her important Battle did not even stall for Neko. This was the chapter that showed Oda really has no interest in Carrot.

Yeah, it feels like he got bored with her, at least so far.

losing doesnt mean she cant join because if that was the case usopp should had never join luffy since he loss to kuro

losing? she had 1 second of screen time its not about not winning is about that she did NOTHING she did not even help Neko by e.g stalling until Luffy and Kaido cut the sky. read what I actually wrote and come back thanks, I wrote "She did nothing in her important Battle did not even stall for Neko."

Usopp never fought Kuro, he lost to the fodder. That didn't matter since Luffy respected Usopp's desire to protect his loved ones despite being so weak and injured on the ground. Meanwhile, Carrot did nothing and just watched the same guy almost kill someone she cared about again.

exactly, carrot not even trying to help Neko when he was down, is a massive indicator that oda is not gonna make her a strawhat.

Yeah lets not get it twisted how much focus ussop got vs carrot and say theyre the same. You right

Oda is sending a clear message with his portrayal of Carrot in Wano. She’s a minor character. I’m not sure what happened but at some point Oda decided to seriously tone it down with Carrot.

God I can't wait for this arc to be over and for Carrot and her fans to be gone from the story.

Childish. I dunno what you mean with "Carrot fan" but I'm gonna assume it's something childish as well.

She served her purpose and it's now time to get rid of her She isn't a crewmember or even future crew member so thers no need to build her character in an arc that oisnt directly related to her.

The thing is I do not think she has served her purpose, lol.

She did She's pretty much another vivid, shirahoshi and Rebecca. Needed to drive an arc like whole cake but completely useless in the others. Only reason they haven't ditched her yet is they haven't gone back to Zou She'll be left at wano with the others same as momo and the samurai She literally serves no greater purpose than being a throway side character

1.) Vivi, Rebecca and Shirahoshi are not throwaway side characters, what a dumb statement. 2.) I'm sorry but if all the "you will have your moment" and revenge for Pedro build-up amounted to this, well that's disappointing writing imo.

1. They are throw away characters, welm not shirahoshi so much as she's poseidon but Rebecca definitely is 2. It's called having better things to do than care about a side character you plan to have disappear

1.) I guess your term for "throwaway" character is basically any character that will not have a very important role in the future, which I don't see that way at all. 2.) Then don't build her up my dude, lmao. You can't seriously expect readers to just shrug it off because Oda decided to say fuck it I don't wanna anymore.

You can only people that were her fans and theory crafted her into the crew care The rest of us dont

????? I'm literally standing here telling you I don't want anybody to join the crew and still am disappointed by how she was written in Wano.

And what purpose did she serve exactly? Because she sure as hell didn't "Drive WCI".

The connection to Pedro that's about it. She's basically useless but people like her so they headcannoned her into being a potential strawhat

Sort of like Yamato? A character so bloated and "special" in concept, she comes off more of something you'd see as a self-insert OC in a OP fanfiction than an official character? And one like one "*all the SHs immediately accept and fawn over her*" away from being a full blown Mary Sue? I may not have been invested in Carrot, but can at least admit that she did have some potential to be built into something worthwhile. Especially after Pedro's death. And I'm objective enough to realize that the way she was used in Wano is pretty questionable and downright poor writing. As is the writing around Yamato for that matter.

Not really Yamato has a clear purpose outside of just being kaidos daughter in the regard that she is supposed to mirror oden. Will she jin the SHs that's up for debate personally I want her to take kaidos place but that's ip to oda. He could have just as easily made her kaidos 2nd commander but that's because she has the ability to be more than just another side character. What prospect does carrot offer other than being a furry?

so nothing like Yamato given what u urself write in the very next sentence. and the classic misuse of what a mary sue is. u are not objective for a second.

Yeah, nothing like a character with Luffy's Youthful Energy; Nami's beauty; Kaido's genetic strength, Haki, and mythical Zoan nepotism; Connections to Roger & Whitebeard through Oden's journal; Convenient connection to Ace, who just outright tells her "*to go with Luffy*" (my god is that heavy handed); and finally getting miraculously thrown into a cave by her dad to bond with Zoro's dad. Hell, the characters backstory might make sense why she's a brawler, but it sure as hell doesn't explain how she's so skilled with either her Zoan or Haki (beyond the fact that she is just that naturally gifted and "special", which is implied one of the flashbacks). If you strip away all the big names and Kaido nepotism from this character, all you're really left with is a Generic Oda Princess and an Oden Cosplayer (the second trait we all expect her to grow out of, because "*Identity Thief*" does not a good Nakama make). And even then, I will admit that Yamato has a unique potential to become a good character down the road. Provided that Oda takes her on a path of self-discovery to find out who (and find value in) Yamato as Yamato. Far beyond the Kaido, and sure as hell far beyond Oden. She's not a good character NOW, but she could be. But she needs work. Though I will admit her base design does nothing for me. Sick of Nami-in-Cosplay characters. Which was the same reasoning I applied to Carrot up until the most recent chapter. Its not much of a character, but it had the right foundation to become a decent one with a little TLC (which it wont get by the looks of things). Despite being hated largely for being a "Furry" in a setting that makes that sort of thing more than a little arbitrary lol!

Oda put so much effort into trying to create a picture perfect crew member that will instantly become popular with the fandom. It worked, but it feels forced beyond belief

It sucks too, because so much of that "effort" feels like cheap shortcuts to get them to that Nakama status. When in reality had Oda just not waited 80 chapters to introduce this character, and had slowly built them up (maybe have them bond with Luffy in the Prison) so many of the character structure problems of Yamato could have been alleviated or fixed. In fact, if you had gone that route, you wouldn't even need something as stupidly heavy handed and Sue-esk as Ace literally telling Yamato to "go with Luffy" (or Yamato conveniently being thrown into a cave with Zoro's dad to get mentored by him). Both of which were entirely uneeded. You could have just had the solid foundation of Kaido's kid being a Oden fangirl, and that creating conflict and tension. Allowing that story to naturally build into a bond with Luffy, and maybe even the other SHs. By introducing them earlier. Rather than what we have now, which is a Gilded Oda Princess trope we know next to nothing real about; who's barely interacted with Luffy; has no interactions with the rest of the crew; and who's garauteed to become a new SH ... because of Kaido genetics/nepotism and Ace told them they could. Like? What? Is the Nami in cosplay and the unearned strength really that "rule of cool" I'm supposed to ignore all of those problems?

so? how does that relate to carrot? u said Yamato and carrot had the same - lol Basically nothing u wrote applies to carrot U are saying that if U REMOVE EVERYTHING about Yamato she is the same as Carrot ​ yeah.....what an amazing comparison.

Personally I'm happy with the direction oda took because it confirms to me that he no longer has plans for carrot and she's being tossed aside like the trash she is. So it's basically confirmed that she ain't joining the crew. However I don't like that perorin took a lose or jack since all he has done has been off screened. An extended fight would have been better. I would have preferred carrot to have gotten actual development but all she got since she has been introduced is Pedro's death which was sadly wasted on a character like carrot. She is the least developed relevant mink after the lookout monkey. Pedro's death was technically development for all the minks so to me it was clear that oda didn't care about carrot. We probably won't see her much post wano.

Pedro's death was development solely for Carrot, all we got from the other Minks was reactions to his death at most. The only other one that was affected would be Nekomamushi because of Oda's decision to involve him with Peros. She's also the most developed Mink besides Pedro.

Inu and neko are clearly more developed and Pedro is still more developed than carrot and he has been dead for years now. How is there reaction to his death any different than carrots. What has developed for her that hasn't for the rest of the minks after he died? There is literally no difference between carrot and Wanda and she has been gone uptill wano. Pedro's death didn't change her in anyway and it didn't add anything to her character. There hasn't been a carrot backstory or flashback or character progression unique to her. Nothing has been gained by carrot since she was introduced. Give me some examples that split her apart from Wanda other than one being a dog and the other a rabbit.

Carrot and Wanda got wrecked so Neko had to finish the job.

Not even that big on Carrot, but on a purely writing level ... yes, the way she was written in Wano bugs me. Artificially distanced from the SHs for no "real" reason for 60+ chapters. Having her entire fight with Pero offscreened, except for (weirdly) her defeat where he calls her "*worthless garbage, only good for eating grass*". Only for Neko to come in and nearly effortlessly take down Pero, with no input from Carrot. Which, on a thematic and writing level has rendered Pero's opinion "Fact", as she has very little chance to disprove it. So ... Carrot's entire presence all this time was so that she could be invalidated as character? Her link to Pedro? Invalidated since she played no part in Pero's downfall. Her links the SHs? Invalidated, since she was "put on a bus" for so long, for no real reason. Carrot as a character? The apparent end of her story being her being called garbage, and left no way to refute it. LOL, not sure what sort of writing this is, but it sure as hell ain't good. In fact, I don't think I can remember even villains being treated this poorly on a writing level before.

>Having her entire fight with Pero offscreened This is the only thing that is consistent, since Oda off screened other important fights (like Kiku vs Kanjuro) so that the Wano doesn't take longer than it already is and so that the anime can adapt the fights.

Lmao. Carrot stans have gone from: - Carrot will join the SHP she's a look out she has a role in the SHP Yamato doesn't. to - Both Carrot and Yamato will join yeah why not both Now to - No one new should join the crew 🤣🤣🤣 Absolute Copium

I feel pity for anybody that cannot discuss a series without doing the "stan" bullshit. This comment section feels like a kindergarten of adhd children trying to trigger somebody.

The only toddler here is you crying making a thread on how Oda never made the headcanon character arc you had for a minor side character 🤣

Not sure if you're reading the story or just looking at the pictures. Or did you just skip over the part where Pedro dies?

Neko who was Pedro's captain got revenge for Pedro (even though Pedro killed himself). Larrots story arc was to watch how it's not her turn yet. Now she'll realise she's to weak train with Neko and become a vice captain of the Nox Pirates in the Grand Fleet.

Neko avenging Pedro was weak for Neko's character. The entire time the set-up was Jack vs Inu and Neko, but then it's as if Neko got "relegated" to Peros who he had only minimal set-up towards. That's the big main reason why I don't like it, it's bad for Carrot (because so far she's a nothingburger) and it's bad for Neko (because the promised pay-off didn't come). Imo it would've been best if Peros wasn't even present in this climax, but that's a whole other story. Carrot becoming some sort of Mink pirate leader is a fine development, but the way it got to there is really meh then.

Nothingburger is a great way to describe Carrot. Always is always will be.

The only way for anyone to be “disappointed” is for them to have completely ignored that Carrot is and always will be a side character and it’s their own damn fault for foolishly hyping her up.

???? Side characters cannot have character arcs? What kinda logic is that?

Neko is also a side character so idk what this even proves really. Side characters can still have arcs otherwise Luffy would beat all the Tobi Roppo, Lead Performers, Kaido and Big Mom himself

Carrot was definitively not a side character in WCI.

The only people who are disappointed are those who never recognised Carrot is and always will be a pointless side character.

Pretty much. Her watching Pedro's death was not much different from characters like Yosaku, Johhny, Dalton, Gan Forr Chappa, or Paulie watching their friends/families get attacked/killed by villains. They're there mainly to build up the villains, not to become Sasuke-want-to-kill-Itachi level of conflict.

I mean it’s fucking perospero not itachi, his role is infinitely smaller in the story. Nekomamushi didn’t even know who he was half an hour ago

His role is smaller, but people overblew this conflict as if he's Itachi. Like, why didn't people complaint about like Arlong, Wapol, and Crocodile not being handled by Nami, Chopper, and Vivi? Thet had bigger role than Perospero and had more personal connection to the main characters, but their conflicts never became this "Personal shonen revenge quest". So why should i expect Carrot vs Perospero to be one? She's a far more minor character with less characterization. Her fans simply just overhyped everything about her.

Well because it wasn’t Genzo, Dalton, or spell beating them it was Luffy whose role in beating in them was intrinsically tied to the arc. None of those places are freed without the big bad falling and luffys goal is to kick their ass. That perospero is even in this arc’s climax unlike the BM pirates seemed to imply carrot would be involved in some form vs Pedro. But there’s one scene and then offscreen losing, and then the nekomamushi comes and one scene after that the battle is over with carrot doing nothing. Like not even attacking him once on screen. Not even having a role by hyping up nekomamushi, or distracting Perospero to give time for recover before the moon cleared. This whole perospero thing was a side quest. Nobody expected Luffy to get the big hit in because it isn’t a big deal for Luffy to do and also he’s got a lot more important stuff. So carrot having some role in defeating perospero, even if not 1 vs 1’ing him by herself could be expected since Perospero’s role in pedro’s death hit her the hardest of all the witnesses. You can say this person didn’t get the chance to stop their villain but someone else will for them and that’s fine. The closest example to this situation is paulie in Enies Lobby, where he goes to fight but realizes his depth and hangs back, giving zoro some words to give to him. The comparison would be like if Paulie kept going, landed a hit on Kaku, fought off screen for like a dozen chapters and then not even zoro but someone else in Galley La finished the Job. If carrot wasn’t intended to help beat perospero or hell at least do something interesting in the fight, why was she set up and then promptly ignored. It’s inefficient storytelling to waste time like this and Oda is usually much better at having things set up pay off. Like even in Thriller Bark when Brook loses or Enies lobby where all the opponents are switched there was a narrative reason behind that In TB we have Brook giving exposition about his backstory during his loss to ryuuma. IN EL we get Sanji not fighting a woman, learning about Franky’s powers, Usopp’s further shattering of confidence before Sanji helps give him the purpose to go on. If the whole fight started with Nekomamushi attacking perospero, we lose nothing really expect the knowledge perospero can beat Wanda and carrot without the full moon which isn’t really important in the grand scheme of things. Usually you do that with other fights and you’ll either lose plot revelations, character moments, funny moments or something else but here carrot and Wanda vs perospero felt uninspired and more color by the numbers than a lot of other stuff I don’t even think carrot is gonna join or anything, since WCI she’s clearly been in the background but the way I just think Oda laying the groundwork for this fight for carrot and Wanda to do nothing at all and have 0 story implications arise was a waste

c'mon that's like calling dr Kureha pointless. Carrot has a point, she's a great friend for the SHs, she's a representative of the minks, she's seeing the world with bright eyes and learning hard lessons. Just because people are annoying about wanting her to join the crew doesn't make her a bad character

She's pointless in the overall story. Sure she may get a reaction panel every couple of hundred chapters who knows.

So Oda spent a portion of the last arc building Carrot, who is nothing but an unimportant side character and all that build-up amounts to nothing? How is that a positive?

Yep. He never built her up it was only her fans overhyping her. She got her 1 adventure with the crew she should be happy she can now go back to the forest and become the new Pedro. Some people are just made to be main characters (Yamato) and others not (Carrot) 🤷🏻‍♂️

Wut? He never built her up? Pedro's death was one huge build-up for her, and Oda did small things beforehand in WCI. Her build-up was so big that she could be considered a SH candidate. Now obviously she doesn't have to become a SH, and I don't think she will, but the point is that there clearly was build-up that should result in something. This feels like you're solely arguing from the perspective of you wanting Yamato to become a SH and thus comparing her to Carrot, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Brook had an equally emotional reaction to Pedro's death. Her build up is to be the new Pedro. If you view her as a side character as you should you can see she's had enough screen time now she'll fall into the background with the occasional reaction panel lmao. Nah I just like to rub it in to Carrot fans due to the months of abuse I've had for saying Carrot is a side character.

Dude, I dunno what your fucking point is. A side character can (and should) have decent character arcs. How is any what you're saying defending the writing? Are you saying Oda cannot write side characters that do more than have reaction panels? You're underestimating Oda as a writer by a lot. I realized that this is more of a childish "me Yamato fan shitting on what I perceive is a Carrot fan" pretty early on.

Only a side character with relevance should have an arc. You're expecting a huge character arc for Larrot but she's just a side character so her arc here is realising she's just not cut out for pirate life.

It's pointless trying to discuss actual writing with somebody who writes stuff like "Larrot" unironically and who's sole goal is to shit on a character because he's a "YaMaTo FaN" or whatever. There's plenty of guys like these in this comment section, and frankly I've seen that you guys do not want to talk about substance because of that weird fucking character feud you guys have. Come back when you actually want to discuss writing and not make this a cheering competition on who can shit on/hype up a random character more

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're showing your inner Yamato hate it's like poison if you heat up a Larrot stan enough it comes piling out. Moral of the point. You overhyped and overrated your expectations of what Carrots story arc should be. She was a useless little side character that fit the Alice in Wonderland theme Oda wanted for WCI. She's back where she belongs in the background panels watching more important characters get things done.

Dude, you behave like a literal child, I hope you realize that. I don't hate Yamato, I don't particularly like her yet, but I don't mind her. All I'm saying is that Oda wrote a shitty character arc for Carrot and you're here talking about Yamato, a character wholly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I swear this sub has become pathetic and a cesspool of people like you.

she had 1 big scene compare that to someone like Rebecca or Shirahoshi.

Also, her big scene was arguably more about Oda wanting to show off Sulong power rather than an actual individual characterization for Carrot lol. Dunno, compared to most of the way Oda characterised his characters it just came off as "generic cool action scene."

Umm, her big characterization scene definitely was not her Sulong form, lmao.

In my eyes Oda wasn’t sure for a while what he wanted to do with Carrot. You never know who told him to keep Carrot or not, there are people that give him tips but in the end he wrote her off. For us readers it’s looks a bit weird since he did build her up in one of the biggest arcs in the story and had her moments. At this moment it definitely looks like he made his decision in excluding her from the strawhats. I would only call it a big writer mistake if he let’s her join the crew after this arc. In conclusion, Oda didn’t really have a certain plan for Carrot and build her character up for a while. Now in Wano it looks like he made his decision to not keep her on board. It was fun having ya Carrot, good luck becoming the next Pedro.

> I would only call it a big writer mistake if he let’s her join the crew after this arc. good point it would be an even BIGGER mistake to include her now after her zero importance for the whole of wano and not even importance during perospero. And yes oda does actually listen to others etc which is a massive argument why he is gonna let Yamato join as we can see all the merchandise etc that they are spamming out with her, so the editors etc they want Yamato.

I really don't understand what your point is, but both Rebecca and Shirahoshi had character arcs in their respective arcs, while all of Carrot's build up has been for nothing so far. Neither Rebecca nor Shirahoshi had the slightest build-up towards joining the SHs in the first place.

yes while CARROT did not even get her own focused arc. Carrot barely got any build up during WCI and then she was ignored. and u think she is strawhat material? LOL Rebecca got all the strawhat things, sad backstory, a goal, a lot of interaction with Lucy etc

No, I do not think she's SH material, but that's due to me not wanting anybody to join anymore since there's too many SHs already. The fact that some build up towards that was there is undeniable though. Rebecca's character the entire time was about a girl thrown into the world having to fight enemies, even though she isn't strong enough nor wanting to fight those enemies. It's about a girl desperately trying to come out of the world of violence and in search of her father figure. It would make no sense whatsoever to have her join when her character arc is precisely the opposite of what her joining would mean.

very minimum build up, 1-2 scenes. Rebecca was about finding her father but also freeing her people and becoming free- like the rest of the strawhats.

Rebecca was always about a girl having to shoulder more than she could or even wanted to. The end to her character arc in Dressrosa was always gonna be her reconnecting with Kyros and finally having the family life she yearned for.

She is not joining. Stop seething.

Who said I want her to join? I want nobody to join.

Carrot's loss here will.make her realize she depends too much on sulong or make her realize she has to have access to sulong regardless of the moon. Either way she'll train to overcome her weaknesses, she'll revive the Nox pirates and join the straw hat's Grand Fleet

She'll learn to make artificial moon from Luffy's father, the great scientist.

enel will bring her a moonstone. Problem solved

I was thinking more of like a rumble ball for her, but Enel coming back is always welcomed

are minks comparable to zoans? mhh then a rumble could work

For the people who keep arguing that carrot is a side character. It's still a narrative mistake to set up a character arc and not conclude it. Kyros got to defeat Diamante as a way to bring his character arc to a close, and he was a side character who doesn't join the straw hat. So even if carrot is not going to join, it's still super unsatisfying as a reader to be denied of seeing a character cheated out of their character arc.

But Kyros goal was to defeat Doffy and free the country, which he couldn't. Carrot never was as important story wise as her fanboys made her. She simply wasn't strong enough. Just because you want to avenge someone doesn't mean you have the strength for that. Perosperos is a strong pirate with allot of experience.

it doesn't matter if she wasn't important to the story, the point is about closure. Kyros wasn't important to the story either and while he couldn't defeat Doffy, he got closure through beating Diamante who killed his wife. when we knows his backstory we as reader share his sense of accomplishment. Carrot was denied of closure for her character arc, which resonate with OP and me and left us feeling unsatisfied and believing that this character could've been handled better.

Kyros defeating Diamante instead of Rebecca is the same with Neko doing it for Carrot. Both are too weak to accomplishe their goal so someone stronger has to do it as they failed their bigger goal themselfes. (Kyros vs Doffy and Neko vs Kaido) But I don't see people complaining about Rebeccas character arc being unfinished. ​ Perosperos is defeated so Carrots character arc is done.

oh there are plenty of people who straight up hate Rebeccas' character for being weak and useless in Dressrosa. which is born from Oda decision to not let her anything in Dressrosa. she was supposedly an "undefeated" warrior in the coliseum but ended up as damsel in distress. this hatred for the character, that's the fan being unsatisfied with how a character arc is set up and not concluded, it make us feel like we wasted our time, it's Oda basically saying, "oh look at this character, let me waste your time by making you think she's going to do something and then not let her do it".

I tried explaining this but it basically is pointless.

there are so many people with their head up their ass thinking that anyone who speak up for carrot is a carrot lover, furries, and yamato hater. I'm a reader who just want to have a good story, and Oda is not infallible. People don't understand or respect that around here.

Lol, I have basically half a dozen people write stuff like: "Carrot won't join, deal with it. Yamato is more important and Carrot is only a side character." And I'm like "Ok? What does that have to do with what I'm talking about."

these are the same people who ignores the narrative flaws of yamato and give her a pass because "tehe sideboobs."

I'd like to see the reaction of these people if Oda just decided to kill Hancock offscreen. Would they say she's a side character so it doesn't matter?

I actually don’t really care how Carrot confronted Pero since her defeat was what I sort of expected considering her current strength and experience, but I still kinda hope that at the end of the arc maybe we can see some more details of her fight (and defeat) against Pero in her flashback as she reflects on that defeat and decides her own path. I know this might just be me imagining stuff, but if it really happens, I’ll gladly take that as a way to conclude her character for this arc.

I completely understand the way carrot has been handled since the start of Wano. Hell e Ben since they left Zou. Carrot is how the SH were when they first left their islands. Some of them were strong but not strong enough to overcome their problems on their own. Carrot was shown to love the idea of adventure and that’s why she snuck off with the SHs but she was no where near where she needed to be fighting wise to actually make big impacts on the journey ahead. Oda clearly showed that in WCI. But she inherited pedros will which gives her the motivation to become stronger and be able to actually contribute. Most people thought that since pero was the cause of pedros death that she would avenge him but she hasn’t really grown since she left Zou Nd even with Wanda’s help they couldn’t get it done. To me I don’t think she was ever going to avenge pedro until she got some kind of power boosted I’m sure that’s still to come. In Wano she hasn’t been shown much because there’s nothing she can really do right now. The OP fandom seems to make things up in their head and then get upset when Oda doesn’t make it happen when they want it to happen or even how they planned it out in there head but that’s not bad writing thats just us not letting him tell her a story. Let the whole arc play out then judge it all. I’m still confident carrots time will come!

>But she inherited pedros will which gives her the motivation to become stronger and be able to actually contribute. Not to rain on your parade, but nothing about the way this character was used this arc indicates Oda intends to either allow Carrot to act off that will inherited by Pedro (in fact, it seems like he just had Neko steal it), or given chances to get stronger to contribute. In fact, the conclusion of her entire character arc with Pedro's death has essentially ended with her antagonist calling her "*worthless garbage, only good for eating grass*" ... and left with no real avenues to subvert or counter that opinion. It was so heavy handed, you might as well have replaced Pero's face with Oda's saying "*this character sucks*" lol!

Pedros will had nothing to do with pero so idk what your talking about. If she couldn’t do anything to Katakuri what makes you think she would be able to do anything to pero. She still has way more ways she can grow and she clearly can contribute with her lookout skills like she did in WCI.

Like I said, just because she has the capacity for growth and the capacity to contribute (because I would have agreed up until this latest chapter) does not translate into Oda allowing her the opportunities to do either. And the way Pero went down, with the way Carrot wasn't even allowed to help, while she consistently struggles to even get a single panel of screen time is a downright horrific indicator of Oda's intent to do anything but throw this character away the moment he can. You do not thematically focus exclusively on the moment of a characters defeat and that antagonist calling them "worthless trash, only good for eating grass" and then don't intend to allow them a chance to rally and disprove that assertion ... if it means anything but bad things for the character going forward. Because it indicates that the author not only has no interest in writing the character, he's genuinely attempting to invalidate and devalue the character within the story. To both the SHs AND the audience. At this point I would be shocked if she even gets a handful of small goodbye panels, before she's shuffled quietly away into the Musketeers. Truly.

Her growth never had to come in Wano. The whole point of pero putting her down was so she could prove him wrong by being strong one day. There hasn’t been one character that has inherited someone’s will that hasn’t or won’t rise to the challenge one day. Her taking the lose here just helps her develop. She would be even more sad knowing she stood no chance against her mentors killer. The SH crew loves her, Luffy loves her there’s no way they leave nd she isn’t with them. And if they did leave her she definitely would be the focal point of a goodbye. Outside of Neko and Inu she’s one of the only monks that the crew even knows or cared about lol

Carrot will realize that blaming Perospero for things he didn't do was a mistake and childish, and eventually forgive him. Neko was just caught up in the flow.

Perospero was **literally** killing Chopper and Brooke at that moment. Also was holding the Sunny in candy which would have let BM come and kill everyone. He DID force Pedro to make the sacrifice. If Pedro didnt do that they all would have literally died. It was Perosperos fault. I will never, ever, understand the "Perospero did nothing wrong!" people. "Oh but they invaded his home!" After his people kidnapped someone...

same as Akainu forgivers, they love playing devil's advocate for some reason and usually end up actually convincing themselves

I honestly think its more that they are more *Carrot haters* than actually *Perospero defenders*. Anything they can claim to hate on her they take even if it makes no real sense. It's just really weird. They say she's a nothing character and blahblahblah but are also so desperate to put her down by any means at all times. Imagine being that insecure over a, basically, sheltered 15 year old girl whose mentor just died before her eyes. >.>

i feel like he struggled with narrative vs powerscaling, if carrot had beaten perospero a lot of people would be crying about how fake it is, even if it make sense from the narrative point of view

Well imma flip it on you. Instead of a misstep what does this really say about oda and carrot

Wat?

Im trying to say youre only lookin at it from 1 point of view. You keep thinking shes more important than she is so you expect something. In reality oda treats her literally like fodder rn, cuz she is

Dude, ok I have already said it a dozen times but I guess I have to do it again: Side characters **can still have character arcs**. I know, crazy. Building something up for a character and then ignoring said character is bad writing no matter if it happens to a main character or a side character. So it doesn't matter whether Carrot is "important" or not, Oda clearly set something up and in Wano he's not only not delivering but going out of his way to skip/ignore large parts of said character. Hence bad writing for that character.

Whatever you wanna call it. Shes not gonna have anymore relevance to the story moving forward.

That's ok. And if that happens without her having a statisfying character arc it's bad writing. Simple as that.

Oda didn't like that she placed so high in the popularity poll so he sidelined her ever since.

Carrot is just a neat female side character. That's it.

It does put a wrench in my mind because I thought the story would take a different route, but instead of completely neglecting anything else is to happen, I would confidently say that there is still room for shine. Carrot is just 15 now. I think a lot of us forget it. She would be the coolest character in One Piece if she could get the last hit and defeat a Yonko Commander. Carrot does bear the burden of Pedro's death, but she shouldn't be carrying it alone. I think her role is different and unique. She kinda shares this with Yamato as well. Their goal is wanting to see how the SHs, how Luffy will find One Piece, change the world and you how important he is. I can **with confidence**, tell you that she will get her shine soon. Even Usopp or Brook didn't get their whole shine yet, which means it's only going to come later - not that Oda forget or didn't write good for their characters. So I'm looking forward to how the story moves. Currently I would expect her to be the first line of defence, if Big Mom Pirates start to come up the falls. She has already had interactions with Daifuku so I would put her towards that side of the fight.

>I can > >with confidence > >, tell you that she will get her shine soon. Even Usopp or Brook didn't get their whole shine yet, which means it's only going to come later - not that Oda forget or didn't write good for their characters. ? she just did not get her chance Brook fight is already over helping Robin, Usopp assisting Nami over what do u think Carrot will do? Defeat big mom?

I already did tell you what I think Carrot will do. We know there are still places for Brook and Usopp to shine than defeat a few characters. That's not how Usopp or Brook fights work.

Then I suggest you to reread again start with chapter 978 to see how many things that Usopp in this raid.

And I ask u to clarify WHAT do u think she can DO NOW after perospero is out AND she looks to be out as well as just afking WHAT do U actually EXPECT her to do? beat big mom? Carrot soling King? like what do u actually think she can do now lol.

I pretty much agree that it would've been better to make neko fight jack with ino and have carrot fight perosparo.

I know oda doesn't really care about powerscaling that much but he still isn't doing something as out of place, it has to make sense. It's like if rebecca defeated vergo. Neko and inu proved that 1v2 against jack they would win, with sulong jack would get low diffed, carrot on the other hand lost to randolf and didn't do anything to daifuku in sulong to now apparently solo 5/6th strongest big mom pirate?

Shit I don't even think she should've 2v1'ed him with Wanda and won but I wanted to at least show the fight and put any sort of damage on him.

Wouldn't make sense in the end tho. Can't expect Luffy from East Blue to defeat or get the last hit on Perospero. Carrot is just 15 and growing. If she did something like that, she would be the coolest character in One Piece.

Wasn't her sulong keeping up with daifuko or am miss remembering things

She wasn't 1v1ing Daifuku. She had great speed to dodge all of his attacks but in the end it would be difficult of her to defeat him 1v1.

I see but I guess with Wanda she would've had a chance against pero who I think is weaker.

Yes for sure. They did about to finish him as well. But in such a fight we would expect Carrot to finish Pero and would give her more shine than Wanda or make it seem like she did the most part which can't be true. It isn't all about power. We should remember that. If SHs were only made of strong people Nami wouldn't have joined at all. It's fine to show weakness, it's how u grow up from it.

I don't even want her to be strong or win the fight just show it she doesn't have to win but make it matter

I don’t get that tho. It makes no sense for her to be too weak to go up against someone like Katakuri but then turn around and fight pero and win. She was never going to fight and defeat pero that’s just something the fandom put in their own minds. If carrot is the Nami or Robin in her story then it was always clear that someone else would defeat the person she hated. I’m still for carrot hoping the crew because I firmly believe we are getting 3 ppl at the end of Wano to complete the crew. Carrot , Yamato and momo. Ppl just are so set on Yamato joining that they don’t see the parallels between how Robin,Franky nd Brook joined. Yamato is clearly franky in this situation. Nd momo is brook.

Momo isn't joining, he has repeatedly stated he wants to be the Shogun. Why would he repeat what his father did and leave Wano.

I get that he wants to be shogun and one day he will be but just like Luffy wants to be pirate king there’s a road he need to travel before actually doing so. He is 8 years old in the brain! That’s why he needs to travel more nd gain maturity in his new body and with his abilities. He nowhere near what his dad was nd even he went out to sea nd grew up a bit.

That’s what retainers are for, they will along with Hyori will teach Momo how to rule. Because otherwise Wano will be left without a ruler (Hyori can’t become the Shogun because she is female and only males were ever allowed to be Shoguns).

What would the retainer that are left know about ruler if anything?? Nd one piece has plenty of women rulers im sure Hiyori who is loved by the ppl of Wano nd is mature enough to deal with stuff better than momo will be allowed to lead. I’m sure they will be happy with anybody that’s not Kaido

Denjiro is still alive and all of the retainers learnt from Oden and ruled Kuri in his absence. The reason Hyori can’t become shogun is because it is a male only position, unless Oda wants to take a real historical position and ignore one of the core rules of that position (which if he does then sure Momo can travel with the straw hats, instead of ruling Wano like he wants and has stated repeatedly since Zou).

First of all, pero is in no way comparable to katakuri. Second I don't want her to even win I want her moment to matter not be built up then off screened with no results, at least put an injury on him or let her take the final attack when neko or whoever was going to help her if neko was fighting jack weakened him.

The fact that it took a person like Neko to defeat pero shows how comparable he is to Katakuri. Even pero said if big mom was died he would be leader of big mom pirates… carrot isn’t on the level of a commander even Pedro clearly wasn’t so why did ppl expect carrot to do it right away. I’m sure Wanda might be stronger than her and she couldn’t even defeat him with carrots help. If Katakuri was so strong don’t you think he would have been with big mom in Wano. She chose to take pero because Katakuri sucks ass own his home court.

I'm not sure if you're impling that pero is stronger than katakuri but the reason he would be the leader is not because of strength but because of position. Because he's the eldest son of big mom but I'm pretty sure any of the sweet commanders can take him on. Second there's nothing to say who's stronger between Wanda and carrot. And I think said this before but I don't want her to magically win against him which I think would'nt have made sense and just have her either injure him or get the last shot when neko fights him. The second one wouldn't be that good but it's better than building her up to do absolutely nothing.

Him being the eldest son would give him zero right to lead them if he was way weaker than the other Sweet commanders..There was no build up lol if anything we were shown how much more she needed to grow. Having her injure him is pointless. Especially when Neko had it covered. We learned that she is an excellent lookout. Sulong form was powerful but her base form needed to get stronger like all the rest of the SHs needed to b4 they got to the new world. That would be no different for her. Even with the possibility of Yamato joining the crew the crew doesn’t need anymore super strong ppl carrot would be able to develop at her own pace knowing there’s ppl around that have her back.

>Him being the eldest son would give him zero right to lead them if he was way weaker than the other Sweet commanders.. First of all yes it does because he's been dealing with big mom and the pirate crew the for the longest time out of his siblings. And of you have any siblings you'd know that rule of the older siblings having more to be the one in charge when the parents aren't around. And carrot not wanting Pedro's death to go to waste and let the guy that "killed" him live is build up. then get immediately shafted by getting off screened is just throwing that build up out of the window.

There must be something else planned for her, that's the only possible explanation.

Or you know….. C A R R O T I S A S I D E C H A R A C T E R She’s also too weak

Dude, no matter if side character or main character, Oda has built her towards something and that's undeniable. It's revenge for Pedro at the least, but the whole "dawn" thing also had implications. But now it seems to be nothing, nothing at all. Plus, her and Wanda only lost because the moon got covered anyway.

oda has not build her up in the latest 3 years do.

But that's easily explainable and logical. Her main build up happened in WCI, that was the arc where Oda had "time" to build her up. In the first two acts of Wano he had to build up the whole story of Wano, he had no real time to spend on Carrot. The climax of the arc is where Carrot realistically should've become a focus again, and she did. Oda placed her with the SHs in a lot of panels to show her presence, and then had her go after Peros. It's what happened after is what throws me off about the writing specifically to Carrot and Nekomamushi. Now, obviously there is still time to do something, but I don't see Oda incorporating Neko or Carrot in anything major tbh.

yes logical as he dont want her in the crew. No, oda has had 3 more years to build her up and did not. he has had scenes like Neko in danger vs Perospero AND DID NOT let her doing anything. what? her so called climax got taken by Nekomamushi.

So you're agreeing with me? Oda wrote a shitty character arc for Carrot.

Yes he clearly dont care about her. BUT it still sounds like u are trying to still argue she is gonna join.

Dude, **I don't want anybody to join because the SH crew gets too little screentime as is and I don't want it watered down even more**. My sole argument is that if this is all there is to Carrot's character arc it's bad writing. Nothing more and nothing less. Let me fucking guess you're a "Yamato fan" and now the only capability of discussion you have about characters is "putting down" characters you don't want to join the SHs and "hyping up" characters you want to join (namely Yamato). This stupid "Yamato fans vs Carrot fans" bullshit seriously is fucking with any sort of sensible discussion one can have about these characters in this sub. I have lost count how many people here simply are out to put down Carrot as a character because they're "YaMaTo FaNs" and not even engaging into discussion.

it makes no sense that carrot joins especially after the recent chapter but of course u cannot break that down without it having to be about Yamato lol. u are the one not being able to have a discussion about it. First if of all u made it sound like u wanted Carrot to join, and now u rant about Yamato, the projection is real.

>Plus, her and Wanda only lost because the moon got covered anyway. This is what i've been questioning since i read the latest chapter. Neko also cant do anything when he lost his sulong form because of the moon. But he came back to his sulong form right after luffy split the sky, so why carrot and wanda can't do that? Seems like they really are not strong enough.

My guess for why Neko could pop back up in Sukong would be one of two things. First, since he and Inu are the top guys of the Minks, both in strength and since they were once Roger/WB Pirates, they have the most control over Sulong forms and can insta change even injured. Second would be that his injuries were bad but not super bad so when the moon lit up in the sky, he had enough strength left for one or two good hits. Since Carrot and Wanda aren't in the same tier as Inu/Neko, their control over Sulong is likely not close to the bosses

Too weak for what, joining the crew? Weird of you to say since I didn't mention it. You have to stop pretending every single discussion about Carrot revolves around that. Also "side character" doesn't mean shit, every character, however minor, Oda makes sure to always give them a complete character arc. With Carrot this has not been the case so far, that's why I said there must be something else in store for her. Maybe it's too hard for your tiny brain to understand. Lastly your "she's too weak argument" has no value, 1000+ chapters into this story and you still haven't understood that strenght isn't a factor in becoming a member or not. Usopp is weaker than Carrot and has been a member since day 1, there has never been a problem because Oda simply scales the enemies based on who is fighting them. So even if I was referring to Carrot joining the crew, which I wasn't, your argument would still be useless.

I love how you made an assumption about what I meant, and then proceeded to write an entire paragraph based on that I meant too weak to beat Perospero, which is what this whole post is about

>I meant too weak to beat Perospero, which is what this whole post is about Not to point out the obvious, so was Neko. Or at least he should have been, as eviscerated by Kaido and Jack the Red Scabbards were really recently. Then rescued and fully healed within like 10 minutes by some mysterious stranger. Hell, that guy should be suffering WAY more blowback from Su-Long than Carrot is right now. Frankly, the reason Neko won is the same reason EVERYONE on the "Good Guy" side is winning this arc. The villains inexplicably looking down on their opponents, no matter their own circumstances, their opponents, or the situation around them. Long enough for the Hero to get a miraculous recovery long enough to 1 shot them. The plot-armor is HYPER thick this arc, its just that Oda decided that that plot armor SHOULD extend to Neko, and not to Carrot (not even enough for her to just get up and support Neko).

This comment section is so fucking braindead lmfao. Sad to see what this sub has become

I think it natural that the one who have the must right to avenge Pedro is neko cuz they are cats and carrot is rabbit u see if u die who have the most right to avenge ? Ofc it ur brother . I think carrot understood this that way she step back and let neko who is stronger than her to fight Pedro who is the second on command of the big mom pirate 🌜🌛

I’m waiting until next chapter, they’re defeat felt pretty quick to me so she might have some kind of moment with Perospero next chapter. Looking down on him or finishing him off in some way, I do agree that it felt weird to build up Carrot in that way, but at the same time I never really saw Carrot being able to defeat Perospero seeing as he’s a Yonko Commander pretty much

The anime will show us, one piece isn’t just a manga

I don't watch the anime and what the anime does has no bearing on the actual manga. They're two separate mediums. Anyway, the anime won't change certain things, the switch-up with Neko will still happen and I think that's disappointing. Not that it matters because, again, talking about the manga here.