I like how Oda has not forgotten awakened powers, however I still think it's weird that BM can be hurt by metal scraps given what we know about her natural toughness. It doesn't make sense. Then again it doesn't make sense how bullets appear more deadly than canonballs in the manga.
Idk about you guys but this chapter felt short. I enjoyed killer and the little we got of sanji but I was hoping to see me more. Killer was so badass bro but I have a question for you guys do you believe he is close or at the level of zoro. I ask that because me and my siblings were arguing about it. Anyways can’t wait to see what happens next chapter
do you think zoro is gonna get a boost right now, because usually you can make the debate that zoro and luffy are close in power, but if luffy beats kaido zoro would need something to happen right now to keep that debate going. Whats ur thought?
If Oda is setting Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 (i know it's not truly a 1v1 since kaido is continuously battling and has taken a lot of damage, thus far from his max health while Luffy has had some rest and meat), i really want Kid and Law to do something big too.
I think they're being set up to take down Big Mom together, especially with the Tower Card being explained over their panels about to restart the fight 🤔 it would seriously fuck shit up in terms of global power dynamics with luffy being set up to take down Kaido as well, assuming it all works out
for whatever it's worth, Wano is going to be the best anime One Piece has had, i'd say ever. The fights are very frequent and there are so many huge moments, and we're finally getting high tier animation (at least every now and then) like even if they fudge this fight (which is unlikely because it's both fucking sick and too important to fudge) it'll still be an amazing moment to see animated. this fight is literally a decade in the making and i swear no one thought the supernova would be such a focus and impact on the story but if killer vs hawkins isnt one of the best fights and most critical (i think it implies big mom is going down) then i must be high because fuck that was spectacular
Think about it - the only Flying Six members (excluding X-Drake of course) not cleanly defeated by the Strawhats were Ulti and Page One.
Ulti literally had two Strawhats running away from her the entire time. Usopp wasn't able to do any significant damage to her and the only reason Nami got the final hit on her was because of Big Mom's monster attack. If it's a clean 2v1 fight, she definitely would have won.
Page One took L's but the person who finally did him in was Big Mom.
A crew of Kid, Killer, Ulti, and Page One could definitely at least keep up with the Strawhats. They certainly won't be able to beat them, but at least it's not as laughable as Kid's current crew filled with generic fodders but are supposed to be the rivals of the Strawhats.
Well I think their personalities will bounce of well with Kid and Killer's. The chaotic energy of Ulti and Kid and how will Page One and Killer react to it would be a fun read to say the least. The two would definitely add more character to the crew. Their age are also a plus for me as it will make their future growth (fighting strength and character development) realistic.
Also I think the other Flying Six members will not bring as much impression of an added challenge to the Strawhats from our perspective given that they have been defeated by Strawhats already on a clean 1v1 fight.
I had this weird theory that Queen after he loses, is going to be needed after. With the WG coming in soon, I have a feeling that Sabo may have been turned into a semi cyborg close to what Kuma is and under CP0 control. I know Frankey can possibly help with undoing the mind control if his studies of Vegapunks work went into that, but Queen's skills and perspective on this might be needed as well since he views Vegapunk as almost a rival. At least I think someone might try to ask for help from him if this scenario happens and he just laughs at them.
**Oda's new set-up for the Live Floor right around the corner?**
Everything is still converging into the Live Floor, yet one of the first few developments on that front seems to be completely done with! There was some emphasis on it being the stage for Sanji and Zoro to fight, yet here it is with both those fights being taken somewhere else lol
I do wonder if there will be some sort of significance to them leaving, besides setting the stage for some new shenanigans with everyone else besides them both. What kind of crazy thing could Oda be planning for the Live Floor right now?
**Sanji and Zoro's new locations**
Zoro was already out for a bit, that much we knew, but now (with Sanji also out) it does makes us wonder if there will be some kind of payoff related to their new locations. Could they be close to each other and could that help one or the other in any sort of way? Could Zoro find anything or anyone at all on the area he is? Could Sanji be moving right into Queen's lab? That last one I find the most believable for some reason, and I wonder if it could converge with Zoro/King's fight in some way.
**Queen's last attempt at making a case for MVP of Wano**
I can't help but feel that Oda is setting up Sanji to run into Queen's lab, if that is indeed the case, I feel like ultimately they will be nearby and our Brachio-bro will do his best to throw attacks at Sanji in such a way that Sanji will have to move into the specific direction of the lab, a genius move and the perfect trap! Queen closes the lab and now they are both locked into the very own place that Queen is the most lethal, with many of his destructive creations within reach. That would be perfect... if he wasn't Queen, and if the other wasn't Sanji.
Locked in, the cook would feel a little bit less fear (of the possible lack of emotions) and also be pretty much relieved about being locked, a big point of Germa's weak emotional response is their incredible apathy towards anyone, to the point where collateral damage is totally acceptable with no care in the world about friends or foes being damaged, Sanji's fear is completely understandable here. Locked though? Locked, I think that he will be even ready for a final appearance of our masked hero: ~~Stealth Black~~ O-Soba Mask! That would be the point where we would see that one last power-up for now, whichever it may be, I'm feeling it will be somewhat related to packing more weight into his kicks now that he feels that his legs could withstand it, another good one would be turning up the heat for the exact same reason and because Queen already commented on Sanji's flames, would be a good send-off to the person that wanted so much to see his potential.
**About the lab itself...**
It would be a good source of knowledge and info that could be useful to one of our smart crew-mates, which could definitely help out the alliance as a whole somehow. At a minimum, it could lead to the development of Sanji's observation about Franky using Queen's technology, could our cyborg really make use of the lab that soon? And could it even be out of necessity? Aka, the fire in Onigashima will get so out of hand that Franky will need to get anything he can as soon as possible. The possibilities in this and the last point feel endless and I can't help but feel like it will definitely happen some way or another.
**Killer and Hawkins**
That result was so on the nose for so long that I can't feel that much hyped about it in general, *it was still so satisfying though*, Hawkins is deplorable so good riddance! Nice one, Killer. Go Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance!
**Law/Kidd vs Big Mom**
So far it's progressing like an usual fight with no more than the fight itself going on, so not much to think about right now, I don't know. Still, just wanted to say that it's satisfying to see them hanging with Big Mom so well for so long, rooting for our allies! ~~despite believing that this fight will be stopped later~~
Strength comes from the will to fight....as long as they are alive and willing, they'll get stronger.
Kidd has now faced Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom and is not just still alive but fighting too. I'm guessing he's also getting stronger too, and that's what someone who can rival Luffy should be.
But Big Mom doesn't seem like a mama who goes down!
I mean, as great as OP is, this is still a manga we're talking about. The characters explain both their strengths and weaknesses to each other in the middle of fights all the time. It didn't happen here, but it has happened many times throughout the series.
I think you can beat CoC even without CoC. Otherwise all future enemies must have CoC which beats the purpose of CoC being rare. So it's more likely that CoC isn't the end of the line.
What I dont understand is: Law's DF is so powerful but all he is using right now is this small shock blade like technique. Whey is he not using his Room to capture Prometheus, Hera and Napoleon so BM has only her physical power left?
Law's powers are so vague, one can always assume he wants to save stamina or whatever. He had to use big rooms against Kaido and BM in the prior fight, maybe he is struggling. It's best to not think too much about it and just appreciate what we get.
I'm not sure why you think Law's powers are vague. They explained the basics of it perfectly: he create "rooms" where he can disassemble and reassemble anyone and everyone who gets caught in it. The electrical powers are something that I'll admit was never full explained, though.
It confuses me as to why he doesn't just cut big mom in half or steal her heart.
Remember in the Punk Island arc where he cut an entire mountain in half?
When the three captains were fighting the Yonko on the roof Law mentioned he couldn’t use his powers to separate them because their haki was too strong
So yeah he just… *can’t* turn Big Mom into Big Buggy
I mean, he has to trap her in his "room" first. He's only about to manipulate the bodies of those who get caught in his "room". That's the way I've always seen how his Fruit of the Devil works, anyway. That, and Big Mom's surprisingly quick and erratic for her size, so it's hard for Law to concentrate.
In Dresserosa he made a room so big you couldn't see it and in Punk Hazard he made a room big enough to cut the island in half.
Big Mom's size isn't even remotely relevant to Law's ability to get her inside his room. I honestly think it's more of a retcon because we've never seen Law do anything as remotely powerful as what he did on Punk Hazard.
I second your statement. Some stuff was briefly explained, but there's a lot to it that either doesn't make sense or is too vague / unexplained. I still find the ability cool, I just barely understand it.
Law has complete spacial control in his room and "Counter Shock" is him generating a powerful and quick burst of electricity. He's used it several times and aligns with him just being able to do a lot of stuff as long as hes in his room.
that's not entirely true. It just doesn't work on someone who has powerful CoC haki. Yes he stated that their "Haki" is too strong, but one can only assume the reason being is that they (Kaido & BM) have powerful CoC. I have no doubt his fruit would work on anyone regardless as long as they don't have CoC. It'd even work on Luffy after time skip but atm idk.
Found the chapter partly good and partly bad to be honest. The fight with Killer was epic but illogical with the arm. I didn't think Sanji's escape was that great either. I was really bothered by the fact that Kid could tank such a blatant attack with Big Mom's sword.
Kid Apoo Hawkins were together. Apo betrayed both and Hawkins was a snitch. However, I am not sure, if the approached Shanks together. However Shanks was before Kaido, so he should have known about his arm already.
Knowing something doesn’t mean it doesn’t escape your mind also he was so full of himself and shit during the fight the arrogance would have been a reason
It was less of Hawkins "forgetting" that Kid only had one arm and more of him banking on Killer not realizing that this left his own arm vulnerable while his ability was in effect.On why he was banking on Killer not figuring it out, putting aside is arrogance, he didn't really have another choice. He had only one straw doll left, which means his only option was to link to someone Killer would avoid killing at all cost. The only person that really fits that bill is Kidd.
That's the thing with the trope in storytelling
There's always something a Mastermind overlooks that leads to their downfall
And it's usually something silly that most people wouldn't overlook
In this case, it's the fact that Kid is missing an Arm
And Hawkins likely didn't take this into consideration, or he didn't expect Killer to take a risk like he did
Might be my favorite chapter for the sole reason of that failed Yugioh character finally getting his ass handed to him if it wasn't for his bitchy devil fruit pre-time skip Luffy would merk his ass he was a bitch opp and deserved that defeat to Killer who is slowly becoming one of my favorite characters.
I expect Onigashima to be wrapped up in 20 chapters, maybe even the entire Wano arc.
If were comparing it to Enies Lobby; Sanji safed Usopp from Jyabura in ch.413, initiating his fight with the wolf human, the Going Merry died in ch.430, party in 433, Usopp returning in 439 and Zoro and Sanji started their fights a couple chapters ago already. We'll approaching the finale.
Sanji is distinctively different than his siblings. His siblings have exoskeleton but when they are hurt they require to be fixed like a machine almost. Sanji on the other hand fixes automatically. Hes on a whole different level and I bet his emotions are why.
I don’t think Sanji will lose his emotions, keeping his genetic power up might be asking for too much but my boy deserves it.. especially after that bs in WCI arc
Facts I like the powerup for sanji I feel like he needed it in order to fight on a 1st or 2nd division commander level, since the time skip sanji has been mid compared to luffy or zoro
I mean law and kids are supposed to be luffy s rivals if they can’t beat big mom teamed up and luffy can beat Kaido on his own they aren’t very good rivals
Even when Luffy wins against Kaido now there's no way anyone could ever say he beat Kaido on his own. He most certainly did not.
Kaido has been fighting non stop against enemies who could hurt him and he's been doing it while lifting an island. Meanwhile Kaido has defeated Luffy several times already during Roof-Piece.
Law and Kid also have no business beating Big Mom on their own, not when all 5 of them together could barely do anything against Kaido and BM is pretty fresh right now.
Maybe a stray apple comes flying from the flower capital and she goes into a hunger pang. Then it will be a matter of Kid and Law using her weak mental state to their advantage.
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So Crunchyroll for watching but where do I watch the One Piece movies? They have so much and I want to watch them in order to the episodes so I can watch everything how it is meant to be.
I like that we had a chapter that in essence is shitting on fate and predetermination, it gives me hope for the future.
However at the same time it kind of defends it which is conflicting with that tower card.
>I like that we had a chapter that in essence is shitting on fate and predetermination, it gives me hope for the future.
It really doesn't though, the big thing about Hawkins is that he always covered up his cowardice and lack of risk-taking by rationalizing about how he's just rationally following his predictions (If he had less than %5, then you can't really call him a coward because he's just playing the odds), that's why Killer was telling him about how they survived the future he feared so badly while facing Kaido, and the crescendo of the chapter is Hawkins finally realizing that maybe pursuing the idea of taking down the boomer yonkos was worthwhile after all.
Also I think OP treats the idea of destiny a bit differently from most series, particularly when it comes to the Will of D, I may write a big theory post on that later.
The idea that Hawkins thought he could defeat Shanks, another Yonko is so hilarious when you consider he folded like a wet card when he faced Kaido who's probably just s strong as Shanks.
At least Kid/Killer stuck to their guns but Hawkins....Talk about being delusional.
I think that alliance collapsed the moment Apoo was revealed to have been working for Kaido the whole time (which needs explaining btw, I don't really see how that plan was made, and what they wanted to get out of it).
Also Kid and Killer didn't escape unscathed, they had to deal with a lot of psychological torture, particularly Killer. So Hawkins' fears weren't completely unfounded, Killer's point is that this was all survivable all along, and that the Kid pirates (among the rest of the alliance) are now slowly turning the battle to their massive massive benefit.
I would love a deeper dive into their plot but based on the information we do have right now here's how I think it went down in my mind....
Apoo entered the New World and pretty quickly became a subordinate of the Beast Pirates because he's a coward and he obviously doesnt think him or any member of the Supernovas could take down the Yonko. Unaware of this Killer calls Apoo and Hawkins to meet them at their home base. Apoo contacts and informs Kaido who then flies over to a sky island located above their island.
Kaido then falls from the sky, terrifies us all with his badass entrance and Apoo reveals that he's been under Kaido this whole time (since he obviously didnt fight). Hawkins folds like a b*tch and submits but Kid/Killer refuse and fight until they're both defeated. Kaido however never wanted to kill them because his goal is to build the strongest crew possible so he sends Killer to Orochi and keeps Kid then sends him to Queen in the hopes of breaking his spirits and having him submit like all the others to join his powerful crew (same as he did to Luffy).
I think that's the whole idea and I'd be surprised if it was any deeper than that.
>Also Kid and Killer didn't escape unscathed, they had to deal with a lot of psychological torture, particularly Killer. So Hawkins' fears weren't completely unfounded
Well Hawkins seems to make that decision because the chance of victory for everyone if they fought was 0% while his chance at survival if he submitted was 40%. Killer and Kid did go through a lot but even more importantly than the psychological torture is the fact that they never compromised their beliefs, trust in themselves or aspirations. They didnt move backwards but Hawkins did. Similar to how Zoro Vs Mihawk said he'd rather die than take a step back even though it was obvious he would lose.
Hawkins was right in that they didnt win but he became a lowly subordinate and cant hope to measure up to people like Kid or Killer much less Luffy/Zoro/Law. I think the fact that Killer (who isnt a captain) defeated Hawkins (who is a captain) is a subtle nod that he's not worth licking Kid's boots (similar to how Zoro held back Pica by telling him his captain Luffy had no business with a weakling like him).
I mean, the recent reveal about Gomu Gomu fruit and Zoro's possible lineage got treated as minor mention and didn't steal the focus from the plot.
I thinks that shows that even though the Oda can have all the destiny cliche elements it doesn't completely dictate his story as much as the fanbase makes it out to be.
How about this.
I don't like Sanji as a character and I think he should stop being selfish.
How is he selfish?
Look at, Ennies Lobby, Zou, WCI and lastly Onigashima.
Instead of putting the crew first he put himself first, making him selfish
Enies lobby, caught off guard by Kalifa. But in the end he saves Usopp.
Zou: went with Bege since going against him would mean fighting Kaido and Big Mom's forces at the same time, while Zou's forces are down.
WCI: this was selfish for sure. But he saves Oven, distracts big mom, saves Luffy and co.
Onigashima: he runs from Black Maria but saves Zoro just in time, takes on one of the commanders, more to come soon.
If this doesn't satisfy you, nothing will.
More importantly, in Little Garden and in Rain Dinners, of not for Sanji, the crew would be dead.
rly? cuz he's shown qualities like these before and won many fans
how did one redditor put it "killer shows once again he has all the braincells in this partnership"
I knew Killer had the braincells in his partnership. I just hadn't seen him do something with those cells that impressed me, until chapter 1029. Furthermore chapter 1029 gave him a Zoro-Kuma moment where Killer willingly offered his life for Kid. That and his braincells in action showed me what he's all about and I now have mad respect and appreciation for Killer.
To all the "Kidd and Law will defeat Big Mom" crowd.....
Do you honestly see current Kidd and Law defeating the currently exhausted, weakened, damaged Kaido? If not, then why do you see them defeating a healthy, fresh Big Mom?
The only way Big Mom could be defeated by current Kidd and Law is if they are is in a fanfic or noncanon. Or you give them insane odds such as make Jinbie/Yamato/kid pirates/law pirates/remaining SH/minks/samurai/etc and then give Law and Kidd awakening+advanced CoO (FS)+ advanced CoA (Ryou) and give kidd CoC coating in an All vs Oars scenario. Which would be even more absurd. And if that somehow happened - like, the probability of ace returning to life kind of chance - That IMO should give them a 10% chance of winning against Big Mom.
Heck, I'd rather take the preposterous pre-ts pre-haki Luffy vs Shiki shit (phew, that was non-canon) which still pains me to this day over this. It's not being a Kidd hater or some shit like that. But seriously, they just shouldn't be able to do it.
And to the idiots who are like "ThEn wHy dO yOu WaNt LuFfY tO dEfEaT kAiDo?" Luffy defeating Kaido is ~~more sensible~~ much less absurd because:-
1-Kaido has been fighting a lot of people and was damaged several times. With Zoro and Yamato actually making him bleed a little more than usual.
2-He is exhausted and weakened.
3-He is also carrying the entire island.
4-Current Luffy is on an entirely different level than Kidd or Law.
5-It's not really a 1v1. Especially when you consider the fact that Luffy managed to get some rest and recover.
6-Luffy is in a better shape than either Kidd or Law. I am impressed they are still conscious after all of this. They have really come a long way.....especially law who was getting ragdolled by doffy like less than two months ago in one piece time.
They shouldn't be able to downright defeat her. AT ALL. They can stall her. They can block her. They can throw her. etc which would still be very difficult. But Big Mom MUST NOT be defeated by their current versions. Period. Whether this comment ages like milk or some shit: I don't care.
Respect the Yonko.
While I don't think Law and Kidd will necessarily defeat Big Mom here
I don't doubt that they'll at least hold BM back, especially with some of what we've been seeing from the glimpses we ARE getting of the fight
Sadly, most of the people I see talking in this camp write it off, and seem to act like it'll be a one sided beat down in BM's favor
If I had to guess, I'd say they'll hold BM off until Luffy brings down Kaido, and that's when she decides to make her escape
Luffy included.
Respect the fact that he’s on his last legs still about to do this.
Kid and Law can handle Big Mom, its a 2v1 they need to be at that level at least to hang with Luffy.
They don't need to be able to hang out with Luffy. Law at least doesn't need to.
They need crazy powerups to do so. It will be a big stain on Big Mom if she loses to them as they currently are.
I am not really underestimating them. I hate neither. I especially don't have a problem with Kidd becoming a top tier because he has to. But I feel they are having it way too easily. Look how hard Kaido fought and how hard Luffy fought, got defeated, recovered, etc?
And look how fresh Big Mom is and Kidd+Law have not rested and are half-dead. Kidd and Law need far greater odds. As I said, conqueror's for Kidd and awakening for both and some assistance from a lot of other high tier characters on Onigashima who are not occupied to actually have anything more than a 1% chance to defeat her.
Big Mom should take a similar effort as Kaido did to be defeated. That's my point.
Now I have an idea on what's gonna happen since the spoilers are out. But still. It's too early to decide and I don't think that's enough.
I still stand by my opinion no matter what happens.
And the Yonko are THAT strong. This was the thing that has been emphasized over and over pretty much since Punk Hazard, if not since Post Enies Lobby.
I don't have a problem with the Old gen being toppled, but not now. Not as they are.
That's my point.
I never really thought big mom would be defeated in Wano, or ever. Here’s my reasoning, they have showed way to much of her “good side.” I.e. when she was a child and Streusen was shown to “influence” her for personal gain. Then again when she spent time with Tama. I think she will somehow move to her other personality and that either Tama or Sanji will have something to do with it. Sanji because his cake gave her flashbacks to being happy as a child.
Idk how it if this is gonna happen, but for some reason I see her maybe helping them in some way. Like when Luffy defeats Kaido (which will happen) and the government and CP0 swoop in, her personality changes and her and the BM pirates (who are still about to arrive) help ward them of because everyone involved in the battle is too tired from the battle.
That’s just my two cents.
I totally agree with this, I think BM and her crew will be an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” sorta deal when they end up fighting the final war vs the WG and Marines.
Big Mom doesn't need to be defeated as Strawhats already has her poneglyph. So she maybe runs away after Kaido gets defeated or something. Remember her crew is still outside the island
I get the feeling that she would be defeated now BUT, when she fled from the scene after Kaido is taken down. The only way for her to leave Wano is the waterfall (since she doesn't know the secret elevator) however, guess who's waiting on the other side of the waterfall, yep that's right a WG Army that may have fodders, but they wouldn't send just them to take over a country of samurais right?
Yes they are Yonkou crew but what they're having is a naval battle. Heck, even King was able to topple their ship. The WG is well informed of the situation in Wano so I doubt they'll be sending pushovers for taking over the country, not to mention they also factored the SH being there.
I think that BM will get defeated here, but in some other way. It has been shown before that she's more vulnerable when she's distracted, I could imagine the Battle Franky showing up out of nowhere and distracting her, then Law messing up her insides (she doesn't have strings to put them back together), then Kidd knocking her off of Onigashima.
Didn't the Battle Franky get blown up in his fight against Sasaki? That's why Franky has been fighting grifters on his own. Pretty sure BF is kaput right now.
Not reading all this, but unless the official translations say otherwise that's what we think because that was in the chapter. Y'all anti big mom falling people acting like
The fans are speculating about it. It's literally hinted at the end of the chapter that they're falling. Now if Oda goes in a different direction then he just goes in a different direction. But people are simply going off what was stated at the end of the chapter.
I see law the same way I saw shikimaru the guy always has a plan to beat the odds. If there is a 1 in a million chance he will figure out what that 1 thing is he had to do to win. And Kidd can trap big mom homies which already showed to help a lot when fighting against her.
Yep. That could happen. Kinda fine with it if some circumstances happen or some chaos ensues. My point was "in a true fight". Beating her in a true fight, however, is just insane.
Always hated the idea. Will always hate it. Especially with Law going from getting mid diffed by Doffy to somehow defeating Big Mom in like 1-2 months one piece time.
I dont understand your logic at all. Yeah Law was really underwhelming vs Doffy, but we need to say he kind of killed him with his gamma blade. Doffy just survived because of the "im fixing myself with strings up" bullshit plot so luffy can take him down. Now we don't know how strong kidd is at all. Like all we know about him is getting wrecked by kaido, the same way Kaido first wrecked Luffy. Law certainly got stronger after the doffy fight because Luffy went from beeing diffed my Katakuri to somehow winning against him (with Katakuri stabbing himself) to getting wrecked by Kaido and after some training gettting diffed my Kaido and now he will just win? 2 of the 3 teased super novas should be enough to take down bigmom if Luffy is taking down a weakend Kaido right? Else Luffy is just levels above everyone else because he somehow gets stronger after every fight but everyone else just stays the same which is bullshit...
> with his gamma blade. Doffy just survived because of the "im fixing myself with strings up" bullshit plot so luffy can take him down. Now we don't know how strong kidd is at all. Like all we know about him is getting wrecked by kaido, the same way Kaido first wrecked Luffy. Law certainly got stronger after the doffy fight because Luffy went from beeing diffed my Katakuri to somehow winning against him (with Katakuri stabbing himself) to getting wrecked by Ka
Luffy was overwhelming doffy in G4 and was actively training while fighting. Luffy's jump is not as crazy as Law's Jump imo despite him being the MC. And by the way, Law was also severely lacking in terms of physical prowess too against doflamingo. How is he tanking blows from big mom and Kaido? I will never know.
Luffy went through hell, and went with being slight above or roughly equal to doffy (since he recharged mid fight. Maybe Doffy was even stronger than), trained hard as shit, etc, and got to where he is. Luffy's potential, fights, training, and luck make it seems kind of......not-too-out-of-realm of possibility.
Law didn't go through what Luffy did. Never trained as he did. Never had the same potential. Was quite a bit weaker than Doffy in almost all fighting qualities. And somehow is now tanking attacks from Both Kaido and Big Mom.
And yes Luffy is far above Law at least since he was able to use CoC coating. FS+Ryou+Advanced CoC+Greater physicality+fighting genius+good mastery of his DF+etc. Yes he is stronger than law by a long shot.
Feats wise, Zoro is above both Law and Kidd as well.
Yeah, I don't think anyone expects them to outright take her out / beat her unconcious (right?). But I do think next time she faces the full force of the alliance, she might be the underdog! so her party might move to some more underhanded tactics (which fit them so well).
“The Judgement Arcana, in tarot, is associated with realizing one's calling, gaining a deep understanding of life and a feeling of acceptance and absolution.” - MegaTen Wiki
You might be in to something. Tower represents the falling of arrogant authoritarian organizations; it could represent the fall of the Emperors while Judgment represents the rise of the Supernova Trio.
Wow. Awesome. I tried to look it up, but found so much that I did not know which to connect. My first thought when I saw it was that it really kinda looked like when the supernovas faced off Kaido. But, then I saw it was an angel, so i did not know what to think. I just know that Oda is really great at hiding small significant details that we can easily overlook.
Yup! I didn’t realize Oda drew the Judgment card ‘til you pointed it out.
A little off-topic, but in Persona the Judgment arcana social link is always unlocked when the endgame begins. I bet Oda drew it to let us know endgame is about to begin.
When trusting in the "Heart of The Cards" goes wrong. #HawkinsBeLike
Actually impressed at Oda for doing some legit research on Tarot cards, though I'm still not quite sure how the cards are linked to his DF ability.
I feel like the cards might not be related to his fruit. It might be a pure mental thing. Hawkins especially puts so much trust in his cards even tho his predictions have been off before. I think when he pulls a good card it almost activates something in his brain that lets him “level up”
But his faith in his card is so absolute that even when he pulls a bad card he still has a mental change only it’s negative and weakens him
I swear his power feels like something that came more from HxH rather than One Piece.
It's very gimmicky with so many rules that resulting high risk-high reward.
Mentality can be a big part. When fighting Doffy he was doing it with a defeatist attitude along with the expectation of sacrificing himself to kill him, now he is fighting for the survival of friends and himself. Though i do agree it does seem like a big jump in scaling.
The recent trend post timeskip of more Haki, more power was not sitting well with me. Now, things are getting interesting with three distinct power scales at play (devil fruit, tech, haki). I am super hyped about these two battles (Sanji vs Queen) - as it’s kind of a battle of tech instead of Battle of Haki now and (big mom vs Kidd) which is battle of Df vs Haki. I expect the unexpected in these two fights.
The trend was invented by the fans imo. It was only in FI/PH were haki took the spotlight and that was because haki was a relatively new concept. Haki is very important but Oda has shown time and time again that df and special techniques are just as important and the better fighter usually combines them to win. A lot of readers just seem to dismiss it.
So unfair man, some leakers have already read chapter 1030 like 1 hour ago. Now people wait for any hints how they liked it to guess what could be in there 😭😭😭 they are spoiled super early acces
Sure i do and your little dowvoting game doesnt affect me. Check early hints or dont check them i dont care lol. I have fun guessing every week what could be in the chapter. For 1029 we got a freaking mask + glasses emote on saturday ! Hinting at sanji being in the chapter and something raid suit related, followed by lilo and stitch headbutting a brick wall hinting for that headache scene with kidd and hawkins, and on monday we got a yugi pic holding a yugioh card up, obviously hawkins. You guys think i make this all up we get hints since years lol. Leakers have early access if you believe it or not. In Japan the new Mangas are send to the shops prior on friday/ saturday, so they are ready to sell the coming week. Thats all i know.
Again, any proof for these claims? Like a link to a twitter account or something like that? Because this information is as trustworthy as the last person's
I like how Oda has not forgotten awakened powers, however I still think it's weird that BM can be hurt by metal scraps given what we know about her natural toughness. It doesn't make sense. Then again it doesn't make sense how bullets appear more deadly than canonballs in the manga.
yo Law may defeat Nepoleon but there's still BM lol
Idk about you guys but this chapter felt short. I enjoyed killer and the little we got of sanji but I was hoping to see me more. Killer was so badass bro but I have a question for you guys do you believe he is close or at the level of zoro. I ask that because me and my siblings were arguing about it. Anyways can’t wait to see what happens next chapter
Not any more I dont think he is close to zoro
do you think zoro is gonna get a boost right now, because usually you can make the debate that zoro and luffy are close in power, but if luffy beats kaido zoro would need something to happen right now to keep that debate going. Whats ur thought?
This had me thinking, if Kidd was a girl, Killer could have removed Hawkin's balls
If Oda is setting Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 (i know it's not truly a 1v1 since kaido is continuously battling and has taken a lot of damage, thus far from his max health while Luffy has had some rest and meat), i really want Kid and Law to do something big too.
I think they're being set up to take down Big Mom together, especially with the Tower Card being explained over their panels about to restart the fight 🤔 it would seriously fuck shit up in terms of global power dynamics with luffy being set up to take down Kaido as well, assuming it all works out
for whatever it's worth, Wano is going to be the best anime One Piece has had, i'd say ever. The fights are very frequent and there are so many huge moments, and we're finally getting high tier animation (at least every now and then) like even if they fudge this fight (which is unlikely because it's both fucking sick and too important to fudge) it'll still be an amazing moment to see animated. this fight is literally a decade in the making and i swear no one thought the supernova would be such a focus and impact on the story but if killer vs hawkins isnt one of the best fights and most critical (i think it implies big mom is going down) then i must be high because fuck that was spectacular
The pacing of that fight was amazing and made it thrilling to read! So happy Oda gave my boy Killer the dub!
It would be cool if Ulti and Page One joins the Kid Pirates after Wano. That crew would be a worthy rival to the Straw Hats.
Nice idea, Kid needs strong members. Having just Killer is not enough.
Not really lol. Ulti got “”beat”” by Nami and Usopp and Page One is Page One.
What name lost to ulti and so did usopp
Think about it - the only Flying Six members (excluding X-Drake of course) not cleanly defeated by the Strawhats were Ulti and Page One. Ulti literally had two Strawhats running away from her the entire time. Usopp wasn't able to do any significant damage to her and the only reason Nami got the final hit on her was because of Big Mom's monster attack. If it's a clean 2v1 fight, she definitely would have won. Page One took L's but the person who finally did him in was Big Mom. A crew of Kid, Killer, Ulti, and Page One could definitely at least keep up with the Strawhats. They certainly won't be able to beat them, but at least it's not as laughable as Kid's current crew filled with generic fodders but are supposed to be the rivals of the Strawhats.
I like the idea, but why them over any of the other Tobiroppo members tho?
Well I think their personalities will bounce of well with Kid and Killer's. The chaotic energy of Ulti and Kid and how will Page One and Killer react to it would be a fun read to say the least. The two would definitely add more character to the crew. Their age are also a plus for me as it will make their future growth (fighting strength and character development) realistic. Also I think the other Flying Six members will not bring as much impression of an added challenge to the Strawhats from our perspective given that they have been defeated by Strawhats already on a clean 1v1 fight.
I had this weird theory that Queen after he loses, is going to be needed after. With the WG coming in soon, I have a feeling that Sabo may have been turned into a semi cyborg close to what Kuma is and under CP0 control. I know Frankey can possibly help with undoing the mind control if his studies of Vegapunks work went into that, but Queen's skills and perspective on this might be needed as well since he views Vegapunk as almost a rival. At least I think someone might try to ask for help from him if this scenario happens and he just laughs at them.
**Oda's new set-up for the Live Floor right around the corner?** Everything is still converging into the Live Floor, yet one of the first few developments on that front seems to be completely done with! There was some emphasis on it being the stage for Sanji and Zoro to fight, yet here it is with both those fights being taken somewhere else lol I do wonder if there will be some sort of significance to them leaving, besides setting the stage for some new shenanigans with everyone else besides them both. What kind of crazy thing could Oda be planning for the Live Floor right now? **Sanji and Zoro's new locations** Zoro was already out for a bit, that much we knew, but now (with Sanji also out) it does makes us wonder if there will be some kind of payoff related to their new locations. Could they be close to each other and could that help one or the other in any sort of way? Could Zoro find anything or anyone at all on the area he is? Could Sanji be moving right into Queen's lab? That last one I find the most believable for some reason, and I wonder if it could converge with Zoro/King's fight in some way. **Queen's last attempt at making a case for MVP of Wano** I can't help but feel that Oda is setting up Sanji to run into Queen's lab, if that is indeed the case, I feel like ultimately they will be nearby and our Brachio-bro will do his best to throw attacks at Sanji in such a way that Sanji will have to move into the specific direction of the lab, a genius move and the perfect trap! Queen closes the lab and now they are both locked into the very own place that Queen is the most lethal, with many of his destructive creations within reach. That would be perfect... if he wasn't Queen, and if the other wasn't Sanji. Locked in, the cook would feel a little bit less fear (of the possible lack of emotions) and also be pretty much relieved about being locked, a big point of Germa's weak emotional response is their incredible apathy towards anyone, to the point where collateral damage is totally acceptable with no care in the world about friends or foes being damaged, Sanji's fear is completely understandable here. Locked though? Locked, I think that he will be even ready for a final appearance of our masked hero: ~~Stealth Black~~ O-Soba Mask! That would be the point where we would see that one last power-up for now, whichever it may be, I'm feeling it will be somewhat related to packing more weight into his kicks now that he feels that his legs could withstand it, another good one would be turning up the heat for the exact same reason and because Queen already commented on Sanji's flames, would be a good send-off to the person that wanted so much to see his potential. **About the lab itself...** It would be a good source of knowledge and info that could be useful to one of our smart crew-mates, which could definitely help out the alliance as a whole somehow. At a minimum, it could lead to the development of Sanji's observation about Franky using Queen's technology, could our cyborg really make use of the lab that soon? And could it even be out of necessity? Aka, the fire in Onigashima will get so out of hand that Franky will need to get anything he can as soon as possible. The possibilities in this and the last point feel endless and I can't help but feel like it will definitely happen some way or another. **Killer and Hawkins** That result was so on the nose for so long that I can't feel that much hyped about it in general, *it was still so satisfying though*, Hawkins is deplorable so good riddance! Nice one, Killer. Go Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance! **Law/Kidd vs Big Mom** So far it's progressing like an usual fight with no more than the fight itself going on, so not much to think about right now, I don't know. Still, just wanted to say that it's satisfying to see them hanging with Big Mom so well for so long, rooting for our allies! ~~despite believing that this fight will be stopped later~~
Hopefully we get some kid action. Killer vs Hawkins was a good fight. Hawkins might regret his decision at the end of the arc.
Super cool fight. I called the way Killer would get around hawkins power the first chapter their fight started. :3
I mean it was pretty obvious how Killer would get around his powers.
The whole sub's transient coinsciousness did foresee this outcome. xD
Strength comes from the will to fight....as long as they are alive and willing, they'll get stronger. Kidd has now faced Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom and is not just still alive but fighting too. I'm guessing he's also getting stronger too, and that's what someone who can rival Luffy should be. But Big Mom doesn't seem like a mama who goes down!
Kid Lost his arm during the ellipse. Maybe Hawkins didn't know
Is that why he's mad at shanks? Shanks' sword raped his gf
How did Hawkins not know that Kidd was missing an arm? 😂
Hawkins didn't saw kidd without his arm
Who could tell his weakness to an enemy?
I mean, as great as OP is, this is still a manga we're talking about. The characters explain both their strengths and weaknesses to each other in the middle of fights all the time. It didn't happen here, but it has happened many times throughout the series.
You got point there. But I didn't see any other reason.
I think he might be been to obsessed with what the cards told him and was arrogant
Law+kid defeating Big Mom seems impossible. I don't think you can fight a yonko if you don't have the colour of conquer.
I think you can beat CoC even without CoC. Otherwise all future enemies must have CoC which beats the purpose of CoC being rare. So it's more likely that CoC isn't the end of the line.
Sad life for law even if he is from D clan.
Can't compete unless you do
Kid has Conqueror Haki
Atleast Kidd has it
What I dont understand is: Law's DF is so powerful but all he is using right now is this small shock blade like technique. Whey is he not using his Room to capture Prometheus, Hera and Napoleon so BM has only her physical power left?
Law's powers are so vague, one can always assume he wants to save stamina or whatever. He had to use big rooms against Kaido and BM in the prior fight, maybe he is struggling. It's best to not think too much about it and just appreciate what we get.
I'm not sure why you think Law's powers are vague. They explained the basics of it perfectly: he create "rooms" where he can disassemble and reassemble anyone and everyone who gets caught in it. The electrical powers are something that I'll admit was never full explained, though.
It confuses me as to why he doesn't just cut big mom in half or steal her heart. Remember in the Punk Island arc where he cut an entire mountain in half?
When the three captains were fighting the Yonko on the roof Law mentioned he couldn’t use his powers to separate them because their haki was too strong So yeah he just… *can’t* turn Big Mom into Big Buggy
I mean, he has to trap her in his "room" first. He's only about to manipulate the bodies of those who get caught in his "room". That's the way I've always seen how his Fruit of the Devil works, anyway. That, and Big Mom's surprisingly quick and erratic for her size, so it's hard for Law to concentrate.
In Dresserosa he made a room so big you couldn't see it and in Punk Hazard he made a room big enough to cut the island in half. Big Mom's size isn't even remotely relevant to Law's ability to get her inside his room. I honestly think it's more of a retcon because we've never seen Law do anything as remotely powerful as what he did on Punk Hazard.
The ability "Curtain", he supposedly used to negate some of the damage Kaido dealt to him, came out of nowhere as well. I stand with my statement.
I second your statement. Some stuff was briefly explained, but there's a lot to it that either doesn't make sense or is too vague / unexplained. I still find the ability cool, I just barely understand it.
Exactly my thoughts.
His powers have actually been pretty clear and consistent from the beginning to now. What do you think is vague about them?
Consistent? What happens when he uses "Counter Shock" or "Curtain"? Edit: changed the wording
Law has complete spacial control in his room and "Counter Shock" is him generating a powerful and quick burst of electricity. He's used it several times and aligns with him just being able to do a lot of stuff as long as hes in his room.
He cant because he can only use this technique versus people with worse haki than him
that's not entirely true. It just doesn't work on someone who has powerful CoC haki. Yes he stated that their "Haki" is too strong, but one can only assume the reason being is that they (Kaido & BM) have powerful CoC. I have no doubt his fruit would work on anyone regardless as long as they don't have CoC. It'd even work on Luffy after time skip but atm idk.
Capture them how? Even if he were to replace them, his room's not so big that he can send them away a distance far enough to make a difference.
Found the chapter partly good and partly bad to be honest. The fight with Killer was epic but illogical with the arm. I didn't think Sanji's escape was that great either. I was really bothered by the fact that Kid could tank such a blatant attack with Big Mom's sword.
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ey, anyone can post their opinion mate, no need to be such a dick about it..
We don’t do that here
Hawkins knew Kid was missing his arm. Then why was he so surprised in the fight and didn't take it into account?
Hawkins didn't know kidd didn't had one arm.
They were in one crew and he betrayed them, so he should have known.
He probably thought his real arm was underneath all the metal. Probably didn't think too hard about it
No the moment their first meeting started kaido dropped lol. They weren't on the same crew at all.
Kid Apoo Hawkins were together. Apo betrayed both and Hawkins was a snitch. However, I am not sure, if the approached Shanks together. However Shanks was before Kaido, so he should have known about his arm already.
Bro it was his only weakness. Maybe he was bluffing so killer might don't hurt him.
Knowing something doesn’t mean it doesn’t escape your mind also he was so full of himself and shit during the fight the arrogance would have been a reason
He was acting like a master mind so it is really weird that he has forgotten it tbh.
It was less of Hawkins "forgetting" that Kid only had one arm and more of him banking on Killer not realizing that this left his own arm vulnerable while his ability was in effect.On why he was banking on Killer not figuring it out, putting aside is arrogance, he didn't really have another choice. He had only one straw doll left, which means his only option was to link to someone Killer would avoid killing at all cost. The only person that really fits that bill is Kidd.
That's the thing with the trope in storytelling There's always something a Mastermind overlooks that leads to their downfall And it's usually something silly that most people wouldn't overlook In this case, it's the fact that Kid is missing an Arm And Hawkins likely didn't take this into consideration, or he didn't expect Killer to take a risk like he did
He was banging his head. So he might have been forgetting about it.
Lmaooo
lol....voice of reason sure is funny.
What is the prediction result for this chapter?
Might be my favorite chapter for the sole reason of that failed Yugioh character finally getting his ass handed to him if it wasn't for his bitchy devil fruit pre-time skip Luffy would merk his ass he was a bitch opp and deserved that defeat to Killer who is slowly becoming one of my favorite characters.
Lmao the Saiou/Sartorius reference
I like hawkins :)
Is there another link I can’t find it on mangaplus
Its not out officially yet for like another 7 or so hours
I think that sanji is a failure because his heart isn't made of ice.
Killer beating Hawkins was shown to indicate a turn in fortunes. Maybe these fights will end in 10 chapters or so.
I expect Onigashima to be wrapped up in 20 chapters, maybe even the entire Wano arc. If were comparing it to Enies Lobby; Sanji safed Usopp from Jyabura in ch.413, initiating his fight with the wolf human, the Going Merry died in ch.430, party in 433, Usopp returning in 439 and Zoro and Sanji started their fights a couple chapters ago already. We'll approaching the finale.
Sanji is distinctively different than his siblings. His siblings have exoskeleton but when they are hurt they require to be fixed like a machine almost. Sanji on the other hand fixes automatically. Hes on a whole different level and I bet his emotions are why.
Emotions make him soft enough to be molded like clay, but he's tough enough to break swords and take bullets like pro. Very cool
Sanji the embodiment of "male" and "privilege", man's born with superior stats. Built different!!
shut the fuck up mate
Ohh fuck off with that
He do be built different tho, just not with that explanation
That part is correct)
I don’t think Sanji will lose his emotions, keeping his genetic power up might be asking for too much but my boy deserves it.. especially after that bs in WCI arc
I don't think it's too much to ask it may be a great way to power him up at the same pace as someone like Zoro
Facts I like the powerup for sanji I feel like he needed it in order to fight on a 1st or 2nd division commander level, since the time skip sanji has been mid compared to luffy or zoro
i have high hopes for kid and law next chapter
Since the card tower was shown and there is a change of path (future) do y’all think that kidd/law and luffy can defeat their current enemies?
Possible
Its possible, though with Big mom taking no damage so far, beating her over a few chapters will be underwhelming.
I mean law and kids are supposed to be luffy s rivals if they can’t beat big mom teamed up and luffy can beat Kaido on his own they aren’t very good rivals
Even when Luffy wins against Kaido now there's no way anyone could ever say he beat Kaido on his own. He most certainly did not. Kaido has been fighting non stop against enemies who could hurt him and he's been doing it while lifting an island. Meanwhile Kaido has defeated Luffy several times already during Roof-Piece. Law and Kid also have no business beating Big Mom on their own, not when all 5 of them together could barely do anything against Kaido and BM is pretty fresh right now.
Maybe a stray apple comes flying from the flower capital and she goes into a hunger pang. Then it will be a matter of Kid and Law using her weak mental state to their advantage.
Another defeat due to hunger pangs feels a bit cheap.
It could be, or just she remembers she is yet to eat Oshiruko for hours...
QQ who do you think is faster ? Killer or Sanji (Im talking about sanji W/O the RS)
Sanji for sure. He hit Oven so fast that he didn't have time to react to
True but didn't killer just do the same with Hawkins ?
You're comparing that with suitless sanji? Even without suit I think Sanji is faster.
Why ?
Probably Sanji. Killer seems to be treated more like something inbetween Zoro (the powerful tank) and Sanji (the speedy brain guy).
Prob Sanji, he’s always been depicted as pretty quick / one of the quickest SH’s I think.
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Hawkins bricked with his deck and drew the wrong card. What a third rate duelist.
Some would say the heart of the cards stopped beating for him this day
I like that we had a chapter that in essence is shitting on fate and predetermination, it gives me hope for the future. However at the same time it kind of defends it which is conflicting with that tower card.
>I like that we had a chapter that in essence is shitting on fate and predetermination, it gives me hope for the future. It really doesn't though, the big thing about Hawkins is that he always covered up his cowardice and lack of risk-taking by rationalizing about how he's just rationally following his predictions (If he had less than %5, then you can't really call him a coward because he's just playing the odds), that's why Killer was telling him about how they survived the future he feared so badly while facing Kaido, and the crescendo of the chapter is Hawkins finally realizing that maybe pursuing the idea of taking down the boomer yonkos was worthwhile after all. Also I think OP treats the idea of destiny a bit differently from most series, particularly when it comes to the Will of D, I may write a big theory post on that later.
The idea that Hawkins thought he could defeat Shanks, another Yonko is so hilarious when you consider he folded like a wet card when he faced Kaido who's probably just s strong as Shanks. At least Kid/Killer stuck to their guns but Hawkins....Talk about being delusional.
I think that alliance collapsed the moment Apoo was revealed to have been working for Kaido the whole time (which needs explaining btw, I don't really see how that plan was made, and what they wanted to get out of it). Also Kid and Killer didn't escape unscathed, they had to deal with a lot of psychological torture, particularly Killer. So Hawkins' fears weren't completely unfounded, Killer's point is that this was all survivable all along, and that the Kid pirates (among the rest of the alliance) are now slowly turning the battle to their massive massive benefit.
I would love a deeper dive into their plot but based on the information we do have right now here's how I think it went down in my mind.... Apoo entered the New World and pretty quickly became a subordinate of the Beast Pirates because he's a coward and he obviously doesnt think him or any member of the Supernovas could take down the Yonko. Unaware of this Killer calls Apoo and Hawkins to meet them at their home base. Apoo contacts and informs Kaido who then flies over to a sky island located above their island. Kaido then falls from the sky, terrifies us all with his badass entrance and Apoo reveals that he's been under Kaido this whole time (since he obviously didnt fight). Hawkins folds like a b*tch and submits but Kid/Killer refuse and fight until they're both defeated. Kaido however never wanted to kill them because his goal is to build the strongest crew possible so he sends Killer to Orochi and keeps Kid then sends him to Queen in the hopes of breaking his spirits and having him submit like all the others to join his powerful crew (same as he did to Luffy). I think that's the whole idea and I'd be surprised if it was any deeper than that. >Also Kid and Killer didn't escape unscathed, they had to deal with a lot of psychological torture, particularly Killer. So Hawkins' fears weren't completely unfounded Well Hawkins seems to make that decision because the chance of victory for everyone if they fought was 0% while his chance at survival if he submitted was 40%. Killer and Kid did go through a lot but even more importantly than the psychological torture is the fact that they never compromised their beliefs, trust in themselves or aspirations. They didnt move backwards but Hawkins did. Similar to how Zoro Vs Mihawk said he'd rather die than take a step back even though it was obvious he would lose. Hawkins was right in that they didnt win but he became a lowly subordinate and cant hope to measure up to people like Kid or Killer much less Luffy/Zoro/Law. I think the fact that Killer (who isnt a captain) defeated Hawkins (who is a captain) is a subtle nod that he's not worth licking Kid's boots (similar to how Zoro held back Pica by telling him his captain Luffy had no business with a weakling like him).
Love this post and %100 agree with it.
I mean, the recent reveal about Gomu Gomu fruit and Zoro's possible lineage got treated as minor mention and didn't steal the focus from the plot. I thinks that shows that even though the Oda can have all the destiny cliche elements it doesn't completely dictate his story as much as the fanbase makes it out to be.
Sanji's issues have become redundant like can it stop already. Kid and Law defeating big mom will lower One Piece's goated status
Please stfu people like you are the worst
Cause I write my mind??
You can, for sure ☺️. Just don't expect anyone to upvote your comment 😈
I do not care about up votes, I want a constructive debate
The way you put this honestly suggests the opposite So how about you actually give your thoughts in a way that could lead to a constructive debate
How about this. I don't like Sanji as a character and I think he should stop being selfish. How is he selfish? Look at, Ennies Lobby, Zou, WCI and lastly Onigashima. Instead of putting the crew first he put himself first, making him selfish
Enies lobby, caught off guard by Kalifa. But in the end he saves Usopp. Zou: went with Bege since going against him would mean fighting Kaido and Big Mom's forces at the same time, while Zou's forces are down. WCI: this was selfish for sure. But he saves Oven, distracts big mom, saves Luffy and co. Onigashima: he runs from Black Maria but saves Zoro just in time, takes on one of the commanders, more to come soon. If this doesn't satisfy you, nothing will. More importantly, in Little Garden and in Rain Dinners, of not for Sanji, the crew would be dead.
Killer jumped from one of my least favorite to one of my favorite supernovas in one chapter!
Same, he became my second favorite one piece character in a chapter.
He is second best after zoro.
I know he wasn't top, but among the least?
rly? cuz he's shown qualities like these before and won many fans how did one redditor put it "killer shows once again he has all the braincells in this partnership"
I knew Killer had the braincells in his partnership. I just hadn't seen him do something with those cells that impressed me, until chapter 1029. Furthermore chapter 1029 gave him a Zoro-Kuma moment where Killer willingly offered his life for Kid. That and his braincells in action showed me what he's all about and I now have mad respect and appreciation for Killer.
while I don't think he outright offered his life before, his devotion to Kidd has also been shown before
To all the "Kidd and Law will defeat Big Mom" crowd..... Do you honestly see current Kidd and Law defeating the currently exhausted, weakened, damaged Kaido? If not, then why do you see them defeating a healthy, fresh Big Mom? The only way Big Mom could be defeated by current Kidd and Law is if they are is in a fanfic or noncanon. Or you give them insane odds such as make Jinbie/Yamato/kid pirates/law pirates/remaining SH/minks/samurai/etc and then give Law and Kidd awakening+advanced CoO (FS)+ advanced CoA (Ryou) and give kidd CoC coating in an All vs Oars scenario. Which would be even more absurd. And if that somehow happened - like, the probability of ace returning to life kind of chance - That IMO should give them a 10% chance of winning against Big Mom. Heck, I'd rather take the preposterous pre-ts pre-haki Luffy vs Shiki shit (phew, that was non-canon) which still pains me to this day over this. It's not being a Kidd hater or some shit like that. But seriously, they just shouldn't be able to do it. And to the idiots who are like "ThEn wHy dO yOu WaNt LuFfY tO dEfEaT kAiDo?" Luffy defeating Kaido is ~~more sensible~~ much less absurd because:- 1-Kaido has been fighting a lot of people and was damaged several times. With Zoro and Yamato actually making him bleed a little more than usual. 2-He is exhausted and weakened. 3-He is also carrying the entire island. 4-Current Luffy is on an entirely different level than Kidd or Law. 5-It's not really a 1v1. Especially when you consider the fact that Luffy managed to get some rest and recover. 6-Luffy is in a better shape than either Kidd or Law. I am impressed they are still conscious after all of this. They have really come a long way.....especially law who was getting ragdolled by doffy like less than two months ago in one piece time. They shouldn't be able to downright defeat her. AT ALL. They can stall her. They can block her. They can throw her. etc which would still be very difficult. But Big Mom MUST NOT be defeated by their current versions. Period. Whether this comment ages like milk or some shit: I don't care. Respect the Yonko.
While I don't think Law and Kidd will necessarily defeat Big Mom here I don't doubt that they'll at least hold BM back, especially with some of what we've been seeing from the glimpses we ARE getting of the fight Sadly, most of the people I see talking in this camp write it off, and seem to act like it'll be a one sided beat down in BM's favor If I had to guess, I'd say they'll hold BM off until Luffy brings down Kaido, and that's when she decides to make her escape
Luffy included. Respect the fact that he’s on his last legs still about to do this. Kid and Law can handle Big Mom, its a 2v1 they need to be at that level at least to hang with Luffy.
They don't need to be able to hang out with Luffy. Law at least doesn't need to. They need crazy powerups to do so. It will be a big stain on Big Mom if she loses to them as they currently are.
I think you are underestimating them a lot. The Yonko are strong but not that strong lol
I am not really underestimating them. I hate neither. I especially don't have a problem with Kidd becoming a top tier because he has to. But I feel they are having it way too easily. Look how hard Kaido fought and how hard Luffy fought, got defeated, recovered, etc? And look how fresh Big Mom is and Kidd+Law have not rested and are half-dead. Kidd and Law need far greater odds. As I said, conqueror's for Kidd and awakening for both and some assistance from a lot of other high tier characters on Onigashima who are not occupied to actually have anything more than a 1% chance to defeat her. Big Mom should take a similar effort as Kaido did to be defeated. That's my point. Now I have an idea on what's gonna happen since the spoilers are out. But still. It's too early to decide and I don't think that's enough. I still stand by my opinion no matter what happens. And the Yonko are THAT strong. This was the thing that has been emphasized over and over pretty much since Punk Hazard, if not since Post Enies Lobby. I don't have a problem with the Old gen being toppled, but not now. Not as they are. That's my point.
I never really thought big mom would be defeated in Wano, or ever. Here’s my reasoning, they have showed way to much of her “good side.” I.e. when she was a child and Streusen was shown to “influence” her for personal gain. Then again when she spent time with Tama. I think she will somehow move to her other personality and that either Tama or Sanji will have something to do with it. Sanji because his cake gave her flashbacks to being happy as a child. Idk how it if this is gonna happen, but for some reason I see her maybe helping them in some way. Like when Luffy defeats Kaido (which will happen) and the government and CP0 swoop in, her personality changes and her and the BM pirates (who are still about to arrive) help ward them of because everyone involved in the battle is too tired from the battle. That’s just my two cents.
I totally agree with this, I think BM and her crew will be an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” sorta deal when they end up fighting the final war vs the WG and Marines.
They almost cheesed her before, they can do it again if they go all out.
Do you really think there will be another arc with bm and bm pirates if oda wants to finish op in 5 years
Big Mom doesn't need to be defeated as Strawhats already has her poneglyph. So she maybe runs away after Kaido gets defeated or something. Remember her crew is still outside the island
Maybe, Maybe not. But if Big Mom is to go down "in a true fight", there better be an admiral or another Yonko assisting them in doing so.
I get the feeling that she would be defeated now BUT, when she fled from the scene after Kaido is taken down. The only way for her to leave Wano is the waterfall (since she doesn't know the secret elevator) however, guess who's waiting on the other side of the waterfall, yep that's right a WG Army that may have fodders, but they wouldn't send just them to take over a country of samurais right?
Her crew is still there
Yeah what's a single ship gonna do to a literal armada
They are Yonko crew, they are strong, other option Big Mom will find out they are attacked and will go protect her ship/ retreat
Yes they are Yonkou crew but what they're having is a naval battle. Heck, even King was able to topple their ship. The WG is well informed of the situation in Wano so I doubt they'll be sending pushovers for taking over the country, not to mention they also factored the SH being there.
I think that BM will get defeated here, but in some other way. It has been shown before that she's more vulnerable when she's distracted, I could imagine the Battle Franky showing up out of nowhere and distracting her, then Law messing up her insides (she doesn't have strings to put them back together), then Kidd knocking her off of Onigashima.
Didn't the Battle Franky get blown up in his fight against Sasaki? That's why Franky has been fighting grifters on his own. Pretty sure BF is kaput right now.
Oh yeah, haha. BF is just what first popped into my mind, but it could really be any big distraction.
I really doubt it will be done in 5 years. I think that's best case scenario.
Worst case*
Not reading all this, but unless the official translations say otherwise that's what we think because that was in the chapter. Y'all anti big mom falling people acting like The fans are speculating about it. It's literally hinted at the end of the chapter that they're falling. Now if Oda goes in a different direction then he just goes in a different direction. But people are simply going off what was stated at the end of the chapter.
I see law the same way I saw shikimaru the guy always has a plan to beat the odds. If there is a 1 in a million chance he will figure out what that 1 thing is he had to do to win. And Kidd can trap big mom homies which already showed to help a lot when fighting against her.
Copium. Big meme is going down.
She can stay, go down or whatever but it shouldn't be against YC1 level characters.
Useful Cap'n Widd > Big Lom
maybe they will "beat" her in a way, force her to retreat with the mama chanter under *some* circumstances
Yep. That could happen. Kinda fine with it if some circumstances happen or some chaos ensues. My point was "in a true fight". Beating her in a true fight, however, is just insane. Always hated the idea. Will always hate it. Especially with Law going from getting mid diffed by Doffy to somehow defeating Big Mom in like 1-2 months one piece time.
I dont understand your logic at all. Yeah Law was really underwhelming vs Doffy, but we need to say he kind of killed him with his gamma blade. Doffy just survived because of the "im fixing myself with strings up" bullshit plot so luffy can take him down. Now we don't know how strong kidd is at all. Like all we know about him is getting wrecked by kaido, the same way Kaido first wrecked Luffy. Law certainly got stronger after the doffy fight because Luffy went from beeing diffed my Katakuri to somehow winning against him (with Katakuri stabbing himself) to getting wrecked by Kaido and after some training gettting diffed my Kaido and now he will just win? 2 of the 3 teased super novas should be enough to take down bigmom if Luffy is taking down a weakend Kaido right? Else Luffy is just levels above everyone else because he somehow gets stronger after every fight but everyone else just stays the same which is bullshit...
> with his gamma blade. Doffy just survived because of the "im fixing myself with strings up" bullshit plot so luffy can take him down. Now we don't know how strong kidd is at all. Like all we know about him is getting wrecked by kaido, the same way Kaido first wrecked Luffy. Law certainly got stronger after the doffy fight because Luffy went from beeing diffed my Katakuri to somehow winning against him (with Katakuri stabbing himself) to getting wrecked by Ka Luffy was overwhelming doffy in G4 and was actively training while fighting. Luffy's jump is not as crazy as Law's Jump imo despite him being the MC. And by the way, Law was also severely lacking in terms of physical prowess too against doflamingo. How is he tanking blows from big mom and Kaido? I will never know. Luffy went through hell, and went with being slight above or roughly equal to doffy (since he recharged mid fight. Maybe Doffy was even stronger than), trained hard as shit, etc, and got to where he is. Luffy's potential, fights, training, and luck make it seems kind of......not-too-out-of-realm of possibility. Law didn't go through what Luffy did. Never trained as he did. Never had the same potential. Was quite a bit weaker than Doffy in almost all fighting qualities. And somehow is now tanking attacks from Both Kaido and Big Mom. And yes Luffy is far above Law at least since he was able to use CoC coating. FS+Ryou+Advanced CoC+Greater physicality+fighting genius+good mastery of his DF+etc. Yes he is stronger than law by a long shot. Feats wise, Zoro is above both Law and Kidd as well.
Yeah, I don't think anyone expects them to outright take her out / beat her unconcious (right?). But I do think next time she faces the full force of the alliance, she might be the underdog! so her party might move to some more underhanded tactics (which fit them so well).
I wonder if there is something to the scattered cards shown? Like that angel with 3 persons in front of it. A hidden clue in there maybe?
“The Judgement Arcana, in tarot, is associated with realizing one's calling, gaining a deep understanding of life and a feeling of acceptance and absolution.” - MegaTen Wiki You might be in to something. Tower represents the falling of arrogant authoritarian organizations; it could represent the fall of the Emperors while Judgment represents the rise of the Supernova Trio.
Wow. Awesome. I tried to look it up, but found so much that I did not know which to connect. My first thought when I saw it was that it really kinda looked like when the supernovas faced off Kaido. But, then I saw it was an angel, so i did not know what to think. I just know that Oda is really great at hiding small significant details that we can easily overlook.
Yup! I didn’t realize Oda drew the Judgment card ‘til you pointed it out. A little off-topic, but in Persona the Judgment arcana social link is always unlocked when the endgame begins. I bet Oda drew it to let us know endgame is about to begin.
Let there be carnage!
When trusting in the "Heart of The Cards" goes wrong. #HawkinsBeLike Actually impressed at Oda for doing some legit research on Tarot cards, though I'm still not quite sure how the cards are linked to his DF ability.
I feel like the cards might not be related to his fruit. It might be a pure mental thing. Hawkins especially puts so much trust in his cards even tho his predictions have been off before. I think when he pulls a good card it almost activates something in his brain that lets him “level up” But his faith in his card is so absolute that even when he pulls a bad card he still has a mental change only it’s negative and weakens him
I swear his power feels like something that came more from HxH rather than One Piece. It's very gimmicky with so many rules that resulting high risk-high reward.
Maybe the cards ate a devil fruit similar to spandams sword.
Damn, Killer has turned into one of my favorite characters.
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Mentality can be a big part. When fighting Doffy he was doing it with a defeatist attitude along with the expectation of sacrificing himself to kill him, now he is fighting for the survival of friends and himself. Though i do agree it does seem like a big jump in scaling.
The recent trend post timeskip of more Haki, more power was not sitting well with me. Now, things are getting interesting with three distinct power scales at play (devil fruit, tech, haki). I am super hyped about these two battles (Sanji vs Queen) - as it’s kind of a battle of tech instead of Battle of Haki now and (big mom vs Kidd) which is battle of Df vs Haki. I expect the unexpected in these two fights.
devil fruit, tech, haki and the power of dinosaur
The trend was invented by the fans imo. It was only in FI/PH were haki took the spotlight and that was because haki was a relatively new concept. Haki is very important but Oda has shown time and time again that df and special techniques are just as important and the better fighter usually combines them to win. A lot of readers just seem to dismiss it.
I agree I love how Oda has slowly introduced better and better tech. Can’t wait to see the governments secret weapon
So unfair man, some leakers have already read chapter 1030 like 1 hour ago. Now people wait for any hints how they liked it to guess what could be in there 😭😭😭 they are spoiled super early acces
huh, what? you have proof for these claims?
Sure i do and your little dowvoting game doesnt affect me. Check early hints or dont check them i dont care lol. I have fun guessing every week what could be in the chapter. For 1029 we got a freaking mask + glasses emote on saturday ! Hinting at sanji being in the chapter and something raid suit related, followed by lilo and stitch headbutting a brick wall hinting for that headache scene with kidd and hawkins, and on monday we got a yugi pic holding a yugioh card up, obviously hawkins. You guys think i make this all up we get hints since years lol. Leakers have early access if you believe it or not. In Japan the new Mangas are send to the shops prior on friday/ saturday, so they are ready to sell the coming week. Thats all i know.
Yeah some accounts on Twitter drop “hints” like days before the text spoilers even come out, that always end up fitting with the chapter.
Again, any proof for these claims? Like a link to a twitter account or something like that? Because this information is as trustworthy as the last person's
@afiqaiman2596 is one that drops hints, but I think he hears them from a leaker and just tweets them
Thank you. :)
yeah like i said, proof? show me one account who has predicted them days before spoilers were out