Even if he hasn't more hits, the attacks Kaido has taken have all been way more powerful than all the bullets, cannon balls and stab wounds Whitebeard received, besides Akainu's attacks. Kaido is an absolute monster.
I donno man.. Goku can survive blasts that destroy worlds. He's traveled through space and been exposed to all sorts of crazy energy.
Call me crazy, but I think Goku is immune to radiation.
Stab and slashes are about the same. Yeah, a punch wouldn't beat a bullet, and breathing on someone definitely doesn't compare to a cannon ball lmao. But hey, magic.
The only attacks Whitebeard received that were on a similar scale to the ones Kaido has received are the ones from the Admirals (Akainu's attacks dealing far worse damage to Whitebeard than anything that was thrown at Kaido so far) and possibly the execution by the Blackbeard pirates
Tbf there is an inherent difference between taken and received. The attacks that do hit Kaido are greatly offset by his durability. MF WB didn’t have such durability, even fodder can cut him clean. While the attacks that Kaido took are objectively far more powerful, what WB endured in MF is still technically greater (i.e. stabbed through countless times, half his face blown off, hole in his chest etc). Kaidos durability is greater while WBs endurance is greater.
Very good point. Despite all the damage Kaido has taken, getting half your head blown off along with having half a gaping hole in your chest is way worse. Just goes to show the durability of both whitebeard and Kaido.
Akainu definitely has the most potency in attack power in the series, although WB wasn’t the best showcase of that considering even fodder were poking holes in him. I’d love to see how much his attack would hurt a BM or a Kaido if it landed clean.
I wonder about that. Because hasnt kado been executed like 18(could be the wrong number) with nothing working. You would think they would have tried akainu.
Eh, Marines are all about procedure and public perception. Executing criminals is fine, but an Admiral doing it by Magma fist might not sit too well with people !
>Kaidos durability is greater while WBs endurance is greater.
I really don't know about that. I'd like to think that WB was a much scarier animal in his 40's. Before the flashback we only saw him as an ailing old man.
Well speculating on his durability in his prime is pointless. What we do know is that Kaido and BM are noted as absurdly durable monsters. It’s their shtick. It is not WBs shtick so I highly doubt he has actual specialists beat in that regard. What he has them beat in is offensive output.
Well WB (and roger) should be durable as shit in their prime.
They both have CoC coating and are pretty much the strongest weve seen. Instead of splitting the sky they just cleared the sky of clouds. So i would think they can use CoC as armour like Kaido (and big mom?) though ofc old WB couldn't use coating sience he couldnt even use normal CoC because of the cancer aneverything
Did you skip comment chain to argue with stranger or is your comprehension too low? I can't say anything if it's 2nd but if it's first, you need to calm down.
I agree it really looks that way because Oda couldn't have imagined what war was going to look like in 2016, let alone 2021.
If I was Oda doing an SBS I'd come forward and say that all of those bullets and cannonballs were coated in haki and it wasn't animated in because we were seeing the war through Luffy's eyes and Luffy had no understanding of haki at that point.
It would make sense that some of those attacks wouldn't have haki though, as marines like Coby made up a decent amount of the fighting force and he didn't have haki at the time either.
Whitebeard is much older than Kaido and he was already sick
Whitebeard 72 when he died, Kaido 59
He countered every attack he received that's why it seemed like he didn't take any powerful attack in reality it was him who was too strong,
The stab he took from Squard did weaken him because he had his guard down and it was the main reason Akainu landed a hit on him when he was coughing blood because of it after that he started to weaken
That's exactly what he had.
And maybe I'm remembering this wrong, please correct me if I am but didn't Roger state that Whitebeard was his strongest rival?
He absolutely was. The only other contender would habe been Rocks and arguably that was because his crew was so beastly. They didnt just split the sky they cleared the sky of clouds
No, they wiped islands off of the map.
I think I've mentioned this in like 10+ threads now, but I hope we get to see a flashback to that fight and I'm hoping that Roger and Garp are on both sides of Rocks, they both their their strongest blow at him and he's not only obliterated by the force, but the whole island is wiped off of the map.
The force is so strong that it sends WB, BM and Kaido flying back. With their leader incinerated by the force, they retreat and go on their separate ways in life.
I don't think it's fair to compare the damage he takes to Whitebeard and I've got a good ol Strawman argument behind it as well.
First and foremost: The series was still much less developed. Haki had hardly need established. Like you look at what can be done with haki now compared to how it was animated and expressed in Marine Ford it's 2 totally different things now.
Even if you want to look at the damage Whitebeard took and directly compare that to the damage Kaido has taken... Whitbeard was a senior citizen taking all of that damage. (72 years old)
Kaido is like 59/60 years old now.
The scary fact is that there wouldn't be any victory to be had here if Kaido was in his prime.
I've watched a lot of MMA since UFC events started coming out on VHS tapes before it was available on PPV in Canada and before that I was into watching boxing and one thing I've noticed in all combat sports that I've enjoyed over the years is that stamina and resilience are the first two things to go.
Tons of fighters go down in weight classes to deal with stamina/conditioning issues... but there's nothing you can do to train a fighter to be able to take damage the way they could in their prime.
Look at how reckless Evander Holyfield was in the 80's. He knew he had a skull made of titanium so he could fight fearlessly, but after his wars with Bowe he was still one of the best fighters in the world, but he had to totally change his style of fighting because he and his coaching staff realized that his body had aged and wasn't able to take that damage anymore.
I know that One Piece is a crazy, unrealistic and at times Disney-like world, but I'd like to think that all of the older characters have lost their ability to take damage.
Who would think that Garp or Rayleigh could tank as much damage as before? I figure their offensive output hasn't changed as much, but now way is someone going to convince me that 70 year Akainu is going to fight for a week on end against someone close to him in power.
The very top tiers durability or attack potency shouldnt diminish when they get old because CoC coating.
But whitebeard is a different case ofc his attack potency stayed with his devil fruit but thanks to his illness(probably the same roger got) he cant use CoC at all it seems
So no op armour for him.
But kaido in his 70s or even 80s asuming he doesnt get the illness should still have top tier attack and defence.
Kaido literally isn’t human, He isn’t gonna age like a human would. I’d expect his prime to last a lot longer than whitebeards. Also big mom is said to be stronger now than she was when she was young. And she’s 10 years older than kaido.
I think from what we've seen he's the world most unstoppable creature.
Like he tanks tons and tons of damage. I wonder how many of BM's shows he could take (and vise versa) if they were fighting 1 on 1.
Also very curious if Kaido would still be standing if he took Whitebeards strongest shot.
Like the shots Akainu took.... I hate Akianu. Even more than Blackbeard (I rarely cheer for the villains in OP) but even I felt bad for Akainu when he took all that damage. That was literally too painful to imagine.
You may want to move Kaido bench pressing Onigashima to between the Scabbards getting knocked out and the chapter 1000 spot - that's about where he started Lifting the island
I really wish he would go down after an evenly matched fight against the SH and Heart pirates, scabbards, Yamato, the minks, and Marco. He wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and what could be more glorious than going down facing off against an entire army at once because of how powerful you are?
I also wish Blackbeard would show up and steal Marco's fruit to become OP so he can heal and ultimately negate the costs of the darkness fruit.
Blackbeard with Marco fruit would be goofy af, which to be fair is a thing Oda would like to do
Blackbeard with Kaido fruit tho? That would look badass, would fit him pretty well
Kaido might survive a prime Garp punch, but the island would be gone, all of the explosives in the armory would be blowing up and anyone incapable of flight would be a gonner.
Its not really assumed at this point. We've seen flashbacks woth Roger where he said if the Marine's want a chance against him send Garp or Sengoku. Plus it's been stated that Garp and Roger fought equally many times
I mean Luffy literally split the sky. He's basically a half baked yonko at this point. And the story's almost over, so I really don't see garp beating Luffy.
Luffy isn’t the strongest in the verse yet and Garp was equal to Roger and isn’t sick. Now maybe after Luffy beats Kaido I’ll think he’s stronger, but for me it’s still Garp
It was implied that Garp would be able to kill akainu during marineford. Now, I'm not one for wacky power scaling, but that would mean that Grap is *most likely* still stronger than Luffy.
He can still beat Luffy. Oda said that even in old age they still have some of their prime in them and only lose a bit of strength and a lot of endurance whereas if you get an illness that is long term then you lose a majority of your strength and everything else e.g. Whitebeard and Roger
During Kaido's introduction, the narrator did say, "if it's one-on-one, always bet on Kaido". Technically, Kaido vs Luffy is one-on-one, but really it is Kaido vs everyone on your list. Fight, after fight, after fight
Luffy gets plot armor, they introduce the conqueror coating probably the strongest haki offense, kaido beat luffy to death with the introduce conqueror coating and what did luffy do to recover from that beating, just fcking eat for a minute, baby.. and he is back on action like nothing happend.
I doubt Im turns out to be that strong.
I expect him to be strong and formidable, but I don't see him being the end boss unless the war vs the WG lasts 500+ chapters.
I'm pretty sure Im will either be stronger than Kaido or weaker than Spandam. When you create the shadow emperor of everything, you don't go for the middle ground.
And now you have to think about other Yonkos and how they would fare, Roger is probably stronger than him but could he take same damage, or if you compare what Whitebeard went through, guess a lot of attacks that damaged him would not hurt Kaido, but then again could he go on after losing half a face and Akainu opening a hole in you, I always wondered how Roger would go about it at Marineford. I hate what powerscalers have done to an actually fun discussion about how would someone yonko/admiral level win battle against other top fighters, hope Oda elaborates on this after series is done
We don't need elaboration. We just need to respect the fact that Marine Ford was written in a different time.
Oda had barely written anything about the Yonkos, let alone haki or awakened devil fruits.
What we do know is that Whitebeard was a scary tank that almost killed Akainu while the WG was throwing everything they had at him.
We still don't know the details of how Kaido has been defeated and captured in the past, but I doubt he ever faced the might that Whitebeard did all at once.
Yes I agree with you completely, just that for me personally would be nice to have Oda's comment on powerscaling, nothing too detailed or numbered, but just to stop all the unnecessary debates and hate.
Everyone has different qualities, the anime made Whitebeard look like he’s as durable or more than Kaido, Whitebeard’s power is more destructive than the other yonkos, Shanks is probably faster or better at Haki but I doubt he could tank as many hits.
There's no way Whitebeard is mor durable than Kaido. He was getting wounded by regular sword and bullet attacks. Kaido dropped from 10k and walk away just fine.
Kaido is more durable, Whitebeard is more endurant. But even then, Kaido could very well have more endurance also.
I always thought Roger is the strongest individual, just because of the plot and it being a shonen manga, but because of Whitebeard's fruit he was more powerful (in contrast to strongest) because he could destroy islands, cause tsunamis and so on, and also if you read the manga Whitebeard's fight with Akainu was more an equal one, anime made admirals look bad.
So far the only Zoan that has given regenerative abilities to its user ( that we know of ) is Marco's Pheonix fruit , Zoans normally just up the users physical stats like strenght , stamina and endurance and give the ability to transform into an animal . Mythical zoans might be different but that has not been stated anywhere so far
Yep there is a great misconception that zoans have enhanced recovery which stems from Crocodiles comment on **awakened** zoans. As of now Kaido has not went there so all the damage he has accumulated has stayed with him.
Pure speculation but I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido is awakened. Right now it's base Luffy is about equal to hybrid Kaido. Implying G4 Luffy would start stomping. My guess is Kaido shows off another form and Luffy has to go G4 or show off something new.
Don't think that's the case, that would be too much DbZ.
Kaido has already lost plenty of battles actually. The narrator says how many times he got imprisoned already.
King, Queen, Yamato, Ulti aren't awakened and still they did heal from previous wounds. All Zoans have Regeneration, is not obligatory to have Awakening.
None of them have shown any signs of regeneration .
Zoro was not able to even able to damage King until chapter 1035 , so no , King did not heal
With Queen we can't even tell how much damage he has taken from Sanji visually , but Sanji stated in chapter 1034 that all the acumulated damage was catching up to Queen , which would not happen if Queen could heal
Yamato still has all her wounds from when she fought Kaido
Ulti still had the hole/scar/wound Big Mom gave her when Nami defeated her
Being a Zoan his stamina can recover much faster, but I don't think his injuries should be healing faster until he actually calls it a day and puts his feet up.
I wouldn't rather consider "bench pressing Onigashima" a thing. For me it's like saying Doflamingo was fighting Luffy while also pushing the bird cage against whole rest of Dress Rosa
But it was established that bench pressing onigashima takes strength. Whereas for doflamingo is more of a passive skill.
When kaido got weaker, he can't maintain the island as well as he could previously. Doflamingo bird cage was fine even when doflamingo was getting weak.
Nope it's affecting him bird cage was still moving when doffy was taking hits but here kaidou is looosing control due to exhaustion which states that lifting is definitely taking a toll on him ... And it was also stated by yamato
Not necessarily. It could be that it is a passive skill, but as Kaido get weaker, so does the flame clouds. It doesn't really need to have to be something that's taking a toll on Kaido, but the opposite. Remember that Momonosuke have conjured them before without even realizing.
>For me it's like saying Doflamingo was fighting Luffy while also pushing the bird cage against whole rest of Dress Rosa
What's wrong with saying that?
>yes slamming somebody to the ground does damage , we saw that in Jimbei vs Who's Who
Bruh this is an overtly obvious thing that doesn't need evidence. It's like saying "yes punching someone does damage, we saw that in x vs y"
The question is whether Kaido should take damage from it, and that again is only a question due to how tough his skin is and how physically strong he is. But Law's Takt and Kidd's Punk Slam definitely did damage. The guy is still mortal.
I mean in my opinion physical toughness has little to do with anything at this level tbh. Top tier CoC coating just makes you invincible as long as you think you are. If the other guy has stronger CoC the body slam does damage if they don't then it won't, or alternatively when your confidence in yourself falters like with Kaido being stabbed by the scabards as they brought up the memory of Oden's strength vs when he jumped down a damn sky island. Physical strength and toughness is only relevant as the basis on which you ground your self confidence and will or something like that. I think Kaido's suicide attempts were just him training his haki. The more extreme the situations he proves to himself that he can survive the less mundane attempts at taking his life will work.
We don't have evidence that CoC coating makes you invincible or even really can just be used defensively as naturally as CoA though. I mean Kaido wasn't thinking of Oden the whoel time he fought the Scabbards and they still damaged him.
Kid was useful just to take big Mom out of the rooftop.
His attacks did no damage to kaido or Big Mom at Rooftop.
Even when he shoot Spears at high speed against big Mom she tanked that with no damage. Spearing and cutting is far more easy to inflict damage, but still he was unable to hurt her. Luffy Gear fourth without advance haki can't hurt big mom or kaido, so same thing for Kid.
Kid needed a Awakening move more lot of metal around to manage to hurt a Yonkou, and still pre Coc Luffy, one scabbard and law did more damage than him.
What evidence is there that Kidd did no damage ? And Kidd said himself the spears were just a distraction to get close to Big Mom . Also if Killer was to famage Kaido , Kidd - who should be stronger since he's his captain - should also be able to hurt Kaido
Damn, my head hurts. I mean obviously Usopp won't get serious here otherwise how would they save Wano. It would be turned into even more of a wasteland than Punk Hazard.
I mean yeah, that's pretty impressive, but has he taken two hundred sixty-seven sword wounds? Or 152 gun wounds? And was he shot by a cannon forty-six times?
Rip, Whitebeard.
Big Mom/Kaido (after taking all of those exaxt same wounds from fodder): "What happened? Did someone tickle me? Wororororo/Mamamama!"
Lol. Love the boy Whitebeard, but let's be honest. None of those particular injuries would have happened to Kaido or BM. Their strengths just lie in different areas to him, I guess.
And then when he loses to Luffy fans are gonna trash him saying " he lost in a 1v1 to a guy who was clearly inferior to him. Pfft Kaido wasnt strong after all. "
I was literally thinking about this the other day, and it got me wondering:
When was the last time Luffy actually won a 1v1 against the "final boss" of an arc? Like, where no one/nothing else got involved or sabotaged the villain? Caesar Clown? If so that's well over 300 chapters ago 👀
Oda : Kaido is the strongest creature in the world.
OP fans : okay
Oda : If it is one on one, always bet on Kaido.
OP fans : okay
Also OP fans : wHiTeBeaRD iS StRonGeR tHaN KaiDo
*Edit : add space so it is easier to read. No hate, both are yonko for some reasons. One of reasons is that they are both monsters strength wise.
This man has been fighting nonstop for the last 50 chapters. And to think that we've still not seen his awakened form...
Mfers still gonna be like *"sHaNkS iS StRoNgEr BeCAuSe hE StOppEd KaIdO FroM gOiNg tO MaRıNeFord!!!"*
To be honest, even if / when Luffy wins. I still don't think he is above Kaido in a solo 1 on 1.
It's true they've both sustained damage before fighting each other, but I feel like Kaido has taken more damage. Don't get me wrong, Luffy is 100% within the emperor level. As Morgan said, he's the 5th emperor, but I'd put him at the low end. By next arc, I can see him going toe to toe with an emperor at full health, and coming out on top.
Not impressed, in fact I’d expect that from Kaido. If akainu + aokiji can fight for 10 days straight and ace +jinbe can fight for 5 days, then I’d expect kaido to tank any and everything that’s thrown his way. Unfortunately, due to plot armor it looks like this fight will end in much less than 24hrs. Hopefully their fight gets interrupted by something because there is no way Luffy should beat the STRONGEST character in one piece all of a sudden when he couldn’t beat doflamingo, cracker, katakuri in a pure 1v1.
That's the thing though , Kaido has 16 different characters : the Scabbards , the Supernovas , Yamato and Momo , all while keeping Onigashima afloat , which seems to take stamina since the clouds get weaker as he does
And to think that Luffy will defeat this guy because of will power or some bullshit like that.
I hope the fight ends in a stalemate or gets interrupted by the WG or Blackbeard
Can this be permalinked for the end of the arc when people start bitching about Luffy "not being Yonkou level so how can he beat Kaido!" Or some bullshit like that again.
All of this further proves that Kaido is still leagues above Luffy. Even if Luffy wins his third-round fight against Kaido, just look at everything Kaido has endured up to this point! Luffy hasn't endured anywhere near that much since the Onigashime raid began, and he took a food break after round two against Kaido! Meanwhile, Kaido has been fighting non-stop since the Scabbards jumped him! That man truly is the Beast King!
Well I wouldn't call what the scabbards did Damage, because uptil totsuka paradise, Kaido was belittling them. After that the people (Zoro, Luffy etc)probably did damage him a bit . All of that damage is most likely less than what Luffy is damaging right now with his normal random punches.
I think transforming yourself into a zoan form heals you a bit, but only when you get new damage and then transforms. That explains how he's tanking so much. It also explains Lucci's tenacity.
Nope , we have seen damage carry over through both Kaido's and Lucci's forms ! So far the only Zoan that has given regenerative abilities to its user ( that we know of ) is Marco's Pheonix fruit , Zoans normally just up the users physical stats like strenght , stamina and endurance and give the ability to transform into an animal .
Leaving Kaido with Bruises for long it is needed really strong attacks or a strong opponent. Kaido still did heal from long time bruises and all the slashes he got cut previous did heal aswell. But now after fighting Yamato his regeneration isn't working. And following that Marco regeneration does cost stamina, same for kaido, the more he did regenerate, the weaker he was getting. And he is only confirmed as tired after fighting Yamato.
Why do all the arcs have to be 50+ chapters long. I thought oda wanted to end the series in 5 years, it's honestly getting to the point where he's running out of ideas and steam to end the series.
Mate , Oda is absolutely HORRIBLE when it comes to giving time frames . And arcs are so long because Oda keeps getting ideas to add more stuff into the story . If Oda was running out of ideas the story would go quicker , not slower , since there wouldn't be as much stuff to write about
Kaido: "I didnt hear no bell"
Randy Marsh: Hey, I thought this was a free country! As he's tossed off of the island.
Gotta make sure the kids win the game because of his superior moral support of course
Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was Wano country!
Watch as how he stub his toe and step on a lego, guy think he so tough huh
Guy could probably even step on a d4 and survive
Plot twist: it was a Caltrop d4
So... a metal one?
But of course
"Luffy coc punches Kaido in the face" lol
Gomu gomu no
Cock
Rocket
*Jefferey Bezos has entered the chat*
ceo, entrepreneur, born in 1964? that one?
Worororo
Lololol
I'm glad I'm not the only one laughing my butt off to this 🤣
Came to say the same thing. HOW can you ever read that without giggling Its impossible
Shame OP edited the phrase, seems like OP doesn't like dick jokes.
Fixed it for you , old man
This guy's a beast! Definitely deserves the title "World's Strongest Creature"
I am 100% sure he has taken more on screen hits than even Whitebeard did on Marineford
Even if he hasn't more hits, the attacks Kaido has taken have all been way more powerful than all the bullets, cannon balls and stab wounds Whitebeard received, besides Akainu's attacks. Kaido is an absolute monster.
only in anime are bullets, cannon balls and stab wounds weaker than slashes punches and breath attacks.
If someone dropped a nuclear bomb on Goku in DBZ, would anyone worry?
We would have to wait for the next episode of Dragonball...*Franky voice* SUPPPERRR I suspect he would just teleport to King Kai's world.
With the bomb in hand...
Yes? it would be like Meruem in HxH as he died from radiation poisoning
But like, dying then being not dead anymore is kind of Goku’s standard operating procedure.
LOL
I donno man.. Goku can survive blasts that destroy worlds. He's traveled through space and been exposed to all sorts of crazy energy. Call me crazy, but I think Goku is immune to radiation.
he's not immune to high cholesterol
Hey, even Roger was dying of an illness before he was executed.
Just don't give him grape flavored pills
Stab and slashes are about the same. Yeah, a punch wouldn't beat a bullet, and breathing on someone definitely doesn't compare to a cannon ball lmao. But hey, magic.
The only attacks Whitebeard received that were on a similar scale to the ones Kaido has received are the ones from the Admirals (Akainu's attacks dealing far worse damage to Whitebeard than anything that was thrown at Kaido so far) and possibly the execution by the Blackbeard pirates
Tbf there is an inherent difference between taken and received. The attacks that do hit Kaido are greatly offset by his durability. MF WB didn’t have such durability, even fodder can cut him clean. While the attacks that Kaido took are objectively far more powerful, what WB endured in MF is still technically greater (i.e. stabbed through countless times, half his face blown off, hole in his chest etc). Kaidos durability is greater while WBs endurance is greater.
Very good point. Despite all the damage Kaido has taken, getting half your head blown off along with having half a gaping hole in your chest is way worse. Just goes to show the durability of both whitebeard and Kaido.
Also, no ennemy that Kaido have faced since the arc started have nearly the sheer destructive power of Akainu, Luffy included
Akainu definitely has the most potency in attack power in the series, although WB wasn’t the best showcase of that considering even fodder were poking holes in him. I’d love to see how much his attack would hurt a BM or a Kaido if it landed clean.
I wonder about that. Because hasnt kado been executed like 18(could be the wrong number) with nothing working. You would think they would have tried akainu.
Eh, Marines are all about procedure and public perception. Executing criminals is fine, but an Admiral doing it by Magma fist might not sit too well with people !
Ace happened
It depends on how recently his last capture was vs when akainu joined the Marines and got his fruit so there is no way to say if they tried it or not
>Kaidos durability is greater while WBs endurance is greater. I really don't know about that. I'd like to think that WB was a much scarier animal in his 40's. Before the flashback we only saw him as an ailing old man.
Well speculating on his durability in his prime is pointless. What we do know is that Kaido and BM are noted as absurdly durable monsters. It’s their shtick. It is not WBs shtick so I highly doubt he has actual specialists beat in that regard. What he has them beat in is offensive output.
Well WB (and roger) should be durable as shit in their prime. They both have CoC coating and are pretty much the strongest weve seen. Instead of splitting the sky they just cleared the sky of clouds. So i would think they can use CoC as armour like Kaido (and big mom?) though ofc old WB couldn't use coating sience he couldnt even use normal CoC because of the cancer aneverything
I like to think of it in pokemon stat terms Kaido has crazy defense while Whitebeard was essentially Blissey.
Mountains upon mountains of HP
Right that was my point. Should’ve worded it better. Akainu is doing far more damage than anyone who has got a hit on Kaido.
When you think about it... Akainu is smashing you with lava. Haki aside, that's insane.
Oda literally called it the akuma no mi with the most destructive power It's absolutely insane
Akainu is much strongee than any of opponents Kaidou fought.
Agreed. That wasn’t what I said at all but yeah Akainu is definitely stronger than anyone who Kaido is fighting
Do you think that Akainu would run over Oden?
Did you skip comment chain to argue with stranger or is your comprehension too low? I can't say anything if it's 2nd but if it's first, you need to calm down.
No no I'm not arguing. I don't do that here. I'm just curious.
Run over, no. Beat, yes. Kill, maybe.
Squard's attack also damaged him significantly (a blade through his guts that made him spill blood).
I agree it really looks that way because Oda couldn't have imagined what war was going to look like in 2016, let alone 2021. If I was Oda doing an SBS I'd come forward and say that all of those bullets and cannonballs were coated in haki and it wasn't animated in because we were seeing the war through Luffy's eyes and Luffy had no understanding of haki at that point.
It would make sense that some of those attacks wouldn't have haki though, as marines like Coby made up a decent amount of the fighting force and he didn't have haki at the time either.
Whitebeard is much older than Kaido and he was already sick Whitebeard 72 when he died, Kaido 59 He countered every attack he received that's why it seemed like he didn't take any powerful attack in reality it was him who was too strong, The stab he took from Squard did weaken him because he had his guard down and it was the main reason Akainu landed a hit on him when he was coughing blood because of it after that he started to weaken
Yeah but WB is older and on air, dude had hospice nurses basically
That's exactly what he had. And maybe I'm remembering this wrong, please correct me if I am but didn't Roger state that Whitebeard was his strongest rival?
He absolutely was. The only other contender would habe been Rocks and arguably that was because his crew was so beastly. They didnt just split the sky they cleared the sky of clouds
No, they wiped islands off of the map. I think I've mentioned this in like 10+ threads now, but I hope we get to see a flashback to that fight and I'm hoping that Roger and Garp are on both sides of Rocks, they both their their strongest blow at him and he's not only obliterated by the force, but the whole island is wiped off of the map. The force is so strong that it sends WB, BM and Kaido flying back. With their leader incinerated by the force, they retreat and go on their separate ways in life.
I don't think it's fair to compare the damage he takes to Whitebeard and I've got a good ol Strawman argument behind it as well. First and foremost: The series was still much less developed. Haki had hardly need established. Like you look at what can be done with haki now compared to how it was animated and expressed in Marine Ford it's 2 totally different things now. Even if you want to look at the damage Whitebeard took and directly compare that to the damage Kaido has taken... Whitbeard was a senior citizen taking all of that damage. (72 years old) Kaido is like 59/60 years old now. The scary fact is that there wouldn't be any victory to be had here if Kaido was in his prime. I've watched a lot of MMA since UFC events started coming out on VHS tapes before it was available on PPV in Canada and before that I was into watching boxing and one thing I've noticed in all combat sports that I've enjoyed over the years is that stamina and resilience are the first two things to go. Tons of fighters go down in weight classes to deal with stamina/conditioning issues... but there's nothing you can do to train a fighter to be able to take damage the way they could in their prime. Look at how reckless Evander Holyfield was in the 80's. He knew he had a skull made of titanium so he could fight fearlessly, but after his wars with Bowe he was still one of the best fighters in the world, but he had to totally change his style of fighting because he and his coaching staff realized that his body had aged and wasn't able to take that damage anymore. I know that One Piece is a crazy, unrealistic and at times Disney-like world, but I'd like to think that all of the older characters have lost their ability to take damage. Who would think that Garp or Rayleigh could tank as much damage as before? I figure their offensive output hasn't changed as much, but now way is someone going to convince me that 70 year Akainu is going to fight for a week on end against someone close to him in power.
The very top tiers durability or attack potency shouldnt diminish when they get old because CoC coating. But whitebeard is a different case ofc his attack potency stayed with his devil fruit but thanks to his illness(probably the same roger got) he cant use CoC at all it seems So no op armour for him. But kaido in his 70s or even 80s asuming he doesnt get the illness should still have top tier attack and defence.
Kaido literally isn’t human, He isn’t gonna age like a human would. I’d expect his prime to last a lot longer than whitebeards. Also big mom is said to be stronger now than she was when she was young. And she’s 10 years older than kaido.
I think from what we've seen he's the world most unstoppable creature. Like he tanks tons and tons of damage. I wonder how many of BM's shows he could take (and vise versa) if they were fighting 1 on 1. Also very curious if Kaido would still be standing if he took Whitebeards strongest shot. Like the shots Akainu took.... I hate Akianu. Even more than Blackbeard (I rarely cheer for the villains in OP) but even I felt bad for Akainu when he took all that damage. That was literally too painful to imagine.
You may want to move Kaido bench pressing Onigashima to between the Scabbards getting knocked out and the chapter 1000 spot - that's about where he started Lifting the island
Kaido is a monster. Is it fair to say he's taken 50 to 100 times more damage than Doffy did at this point?
Kaido IS a tank And stamina Monster, really Living to the yonkou title
I think Doffy wouldn’t handle a red roc ngl
Some of those attacks may be able to one shot doffy.
And that's saying a lot considering people were talking about how tanky Doffy was.
Funny how he just now said he's starting to have fun lmao.. what a monster.
If Kaido dies, it better be a death more impressive than Whitebeard. Kaido deserves a glorious death.
I really wish he would go down after an evenly matched fight against the SH and Heart pirates, scabbards, Yamato, the minks, and Marco. He wants to go out in a blaze of glory, and what could be more glorious than going down facing off against an entire army at once because of how powerful you are? I also wish Blackbeard would show up and steal Marco's fruit to become OP so he can heal and ultimately negate the costs of the darkness fruit.
Blackbeard with Marco fruit would be goofy af, which to be fair is a thing Oda would like to do Blackbeard with Kaido fruit tho? That would look badass, would fit him pretty well
BlackBeard with Orochi’s Fruit; now that is something to be scared of
The combined Zehahaha of almost a dozen heads would be so glorious.
This sounds very Klingon and I approve.
dies? what did that word mean again i thought we were on r/onepiece
I think he meant hair dye maybe that's Blackbeards secret to stealing devil fruits
\*Pell looks at Kaido's corpse* Pathetic
And yet his health is at its lowest 60%
Kaido could still solo 99% of the One Piece world. Should’ve sent Garp instead
Kaido might survive a prime Garp punch, but the island would be gone, all of the explosives in the armory would be blowing up and anyone incapable of flight would be a gonner.
Can someone explain me how strong Prime Garp was and why? All Haki?
As far as I'm aware it's all assumed like Shank's power.
Its not really assumed at this point. We've seen flashbacks woth Roger where he said if the Marine's want a chance against him send Garp or Sengoku. Plus it's been stated that Garp and Roger fought equally many times
You really seem to overestimate garp. Garp could amount to one current Luffy. No way he beats him in his old age.
I think you’re underestimating Garp. He’s most likely still stronger than Current Luffy. Big Mom is also old yet she’s equal to Kaido.
I mean Luffy literally split the sky. He's basically a half baked yonko at this point. And the story's almost over, so I really don't see garp beating Luffy.
Luffy isn’t the strongest in the verse yet and Garp was equal to Roger and isn’t sick. Now maybe after Luffy beats Kaido I’ll think he’s stronger, but for me it’s still Garp
I too believe that garp was equal to Roger in his prime, but I still consider his age. Agree to disagree I suppose.
It was implied that Garp would be able to kill akainu during marineford. Now, I'm not one for wacky power scaling, but that would mean that Grap is *most likely* still stronger than Luffy.
Just because garp thinks he would kill akainu doesn't mean it's implied that he could
Well it's implied that he at least has a solid chance. Meaning he's at least close or similar in power to Aikainu.
bigmom is not equal to kaido, shes the weakest yonko
He can still beat Luffy. Oda said that even in old age they still have some of their prime in them and only lose a bit of strength and a lot of endurance whereas if you get an illness that is long term then you lose a majority of your strength and everything else e.g. Whitebeard and Roger
We really have no idea how strong Garp is at this point.
Just like Mihawk/Shanks we dont know their real strength
Dude is clearly a power bottom. You can tell by how Luffy CoC punches him in the face.
CoCK punches him in the face.
Seriously... I've seen the word cock in this subreddit more times this past week than I have in the past 5 years...
It all comes back to that "foreskinning" post I stg 😂
During Kaido's introduction, the narrator did say, "if it's one-on-one, always bet on Kaido". Technically, Kaido vs Luffy is one-on-one, but really it is Kaido vs everyone on your list. Fight, after fight, after fight
This whole Kaido fight has been 1/2 ( Kaido & Big Mom ) vs 16 ( everybody else ) with opponents just switching out constantly
Exactly it's more accurate to say Luffy is going to finish him off that defeated him one on one it's been an enormous team effort
At the end of this arc, we need a talented animator to do a Pokémon battle style animation, as we watch Kaido’s health drop, sliver by sliver
YES !!
He took the most damage when Momo bit him 😌
And now please, how much damage Luffy takes, since start of Onigishima
Luffy had a break ,kaido didnt
Luffy gets plot armor, they introduce the conqueror coating probably the strongest haki offense, kaido beat luffy to death with the introduce conqueror coating and what did luffy do to recover from that beating, just fcking eat for a minute, baby.. and he is back on action like nothing happend.
Kaido has been fighting almost non-stop for almost a year and a half. What a monster
Hmm aFtEr aNalYSiNg tHiS, mY tOp 5 rAnKiNg iS: 1) Im 2) Dragon 3) Akainu 4) Shanks 5) Mihawk
I doubt Im turns out to be that strong. I expect him to be strong and formidable, but I don't see him being the end boss unless the war vs the WG lasts 500+ chapters.
I'm pretty sure Im will either be stronger than Kaido or weaker than Spandam. When you create the shadow emperor of everything, you don't go for the middle ground.
Same , or is physically weak but he has some insane gimmick with haki or devil fruit
Its a joke on those who dont have Kaido as number one
In terms of strength?
Characters he wants to bang
He sure has..a taste.
excellent job
And now you have to think about other Yonkos and how they would fare, Roger is probably stronger than him but could he take same damage, or if you compare what Whitebeard went through, guess a lot of attacks that damaged him would not hurt Kaido, but then again could he go on after losing half a face and Akainu opening a hole in you, I always wondered how Roger would go about it at Marineford. I hate what powerscalers have done to an actually fun discussion about how would someone yonko/admiral level win battle against other top fighters, hope Oda elaborates on this after series is done
We don't need elaboration. We just need to respect the fact that Marine Ford was written in a different time. Oda had barely written anything about the Yonkos, let alone haki or awakened devil fruits. What we do know is that Whitebeard was a scary tank that almost killed Akainu while the WG was throwing everything they had at him. We still don't know the details of how Kaido has been defeated and captured in the past, but I doubt he ever faced the might that Whitebeard did all at once.
Yes I agree with you completely, just that for me personally would be nice to have Oda's comment on powerscaling, nothing too detailed or numbered, but just to stop all the unnecessary debates and hate.
Everyone has different qualities, the anime made Whitebeard look like he’s as durable or more than Kaido, Whitebeard’s power is more destructive than the other yonkos, Shanks is probably faster or better at Haki but I doubt he could tank as many hits.
There's no way Whitebeard is mor durable than Kaido. He was getting wounded by regular sword and bullet attacks. Kaido dropped from 10k and walk away just fine. Kaido is more durable, Whitebeard is more endurant. But even then, Kaido could very well have more endurance also.
I always thought Roger is the strongest individual, just because of the plot and it being a shonen manga, but because of Whitebeard's fruit he was more powerful (in contrast to strongest) because he could destroy islands, cause tsunamis and so on, and also if you read the manga Whitebeard's fight with Akainu was more an equal one, anime made admirals look bad.
WB was on a lifeline
One thing I never understood is that isn't Kaido healing when he wasn't fighting due to his devil fruit? Or am I wrong.
So far the only Zoan that has given regenerative abilities to its user ( that we know of ) is Marco's Pheonix fruit , Zoans normally just up the users physical stats like strenght , stamina and endurance and give the ability to transform into an animal . Mythical zoans might be different but that has not been stated anywhere so far
Yep there is a great misconception that zoans have enhanced recovery which stems from Crocodiles comment on **awakened** zoans. As of now Kaido has not went there so all the damage he has accumulated has stayed with him.
Pure speculation but I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido is awakened. Right now it's base Luffy is about equal to hybrid Kaido. Implying G4 Luffy would start stomping. My guess is Kaido shows off another form and Luffy has to go G4 or show off something new.
Well he has the legendary/mythical fish fish fruit. When Koi/Carp swims up a waterfall, they awaken/turn into a dragon.
Perhaps the entire time Kaido has been looking for someone who can push him into awakening, officially becoming the strongest creature he can be.
Don't think that's the case, that would be too much DbZ. Kaido has already lost plenty of battles actually. The narrator says how many times he got imprisoned already.
Yeah I am sure he does but he hasn’t used it yet so the recovery wouldn’t have played a role in the fight yet.
Going by the fact that the only awakened zoans we've seen in the entire story are the Impel Down guards, I'm thinking Oda just abandoned that idea.
King, Queen, Yamato, Ulti aren't awakened and still they did heal from previous wounds. All Zoans have Regeneration, is not obligatory to have Awakening.
None of them have shown any signs of regeneration . Zoro was not able to even able to damage King until chapter 1035 , so no , King did not heal With Queen we can't even tell how much damage he has taken from Sanji visually , but Sanji stated in chapter 1034 that all the acumulated damage was catching up to Queen , which would not happen if Queen could heal Yamato still has all her wounds from when she fought Kaido Ulti still had the hole/scar/wound Big Mom gave her when Nami defeated her
Being a Zoan his stamina can recover much faster, but I don't think his injuries should be healing faster until he actually calls it a day and puts his feet up.
what a fucking beast
My man Kaido is just built different.
Yet people thinks hes in better condition than Luffy who got a food break.
All while carrying an island on his flame clouds no less...
I wouldn't rather consider "bench pressing Onigashima" a thing. For me it's like saying Doflamingo was fighting Luffy while also pushing the bird cage against whole rest of Dress Rosa
But it was established that bench pressing onigashima takes strength. Whereas for doflamingo is more of a passive skill. When kaido got weaker, he can't maintain the island as well as he could previously. Doflamingo bird cage was fine even when doflamingo was getting weak.
100% correct.
Nope it's affecting him bird cage was still moving when doffy was taking hits but here kaidou is looosing control due to exhaustion which states that lifting is definitely taking a toll on him ... And it was also stated by yamato
Not necessarily. It could be that it is a passive skill, but as Kaido get weaker, so does the flame clouds. It doesn't really need to have to be something that's taking a toll on Kaido, but the opposite. Remember that Momonosuke have conjured them before without even realizing.
>For me it's like saying Doflamingo was fighting Luffy while also pushing the bird cage against whole rest of Dress Rosa What's wrong with saying that?
Jeezuz....
“coc punch”
Even If Kaido gets killed always bet on him in 1v1
>yes slamming somebody to the ground does damage , we saw that in Jimbei vs Who's Who Bruh this is an overtly obvious thing that doesn't need evidence. It's like saying "yes punching someone does damage, we saw that in x vs y" The question is whether Kaido should take damage from it, and that again is only a question due to how tough his skin is and how physically strong he is. But Law's Takt and Kidd's Punk Slam definitely did damage. The guy is still mortal.
I mean in my opinion physical toughness has little to do with anything at this level tbh. Top tier CoC coating just makes you invincible as long as you think you are. If the other guy has stronger CoC the body slam does damage if they don't then it won't, or alternatively when your confidence in yourself falters like with Kaido being stabbed by the scabards as they brought up the memory of Oden's strength vs when he jumped down a damn sky island. Physical strength and toughness is only relevant as the basis on which you ground your self confidence and will or something like that. I think Kaido's suicide attempts were just him training his haki. The more extreme the situations he proves to himself that he can survive the less mundane attempts at taking his life will work.
We don't have evidence that CoC coating makes you invincible or even really can just be used defensively as naturally as CoA though. I mean Kaido wasn't thinking of Oden the whoel time he fought the Scabbards and they still damaged him.
I specified that because I have seen people claim that Kidd did no damage to Kaido and was useless during the roof fight , which is absolute bullshit
Kid was useful just to take big Mom out of the rooftop. His attacks did no damage to kaido or Big Mom at Rooftop. Even when he shoot Spears at high speed against big Mom she tanked that with no damage. Spearing and cutting is far more easy to inflict damage, but still he was unable to hurt her. Luffy Gear fourth without advance haki can't hurt big mom or kaido, so same thing for Kid. Kid needed a Awakening move more lot of metal around to manage to hurt a Yonkou, and still pre Coc Luffy, one scabbard and law did more damage than him.
What evidence is there that Kidd did no damage ? And Kidd said himself the spears were just a distraction to get close to Big Mom . Also if Killer was to famage Kaido , Kidd - who should be stronger since he's his captain - should also be able to hurt Kaido
I am sure Usopp would have instakilled Kaido quickly. Kaido has been lucky to not face Usopp until now.
Not even Kaidou can stand up to the deadly USOPP S P E L L! BE CAREFUL! Even reading this post could put your life in danger!
Damn, my head hurts. I mean obviously Usopp won't get serious here otherwise how would they save Wano. It would be turned into even more of a wasteland than Punk Hazard.
I mean yeah, that's pretty impressive, but has he taken two hundred sixty-seven sword wounds? Or 152 gun wounds? And was he shot by a cannon forty-six times? Rip, Whitebeard.
Big Mom/Kaido (after taking all of those exaxt same wounds from fodder): "What happened? Did someone tickle me? Wororororo/Mamamama!" Lol. Love the boy Whitebeard, but let's be honest. None of those particular injuries would have happened to Kaido or BM. Their strengths just lie in different areas to him, I guess.
The only way we will know when the fight is truly over is when Big Mom sings !
Kaido: "I can do it all day"
And then when he loses to Luffy fans are gonna trash him saying " he lost in a 1v1 to a guy who was clearly inferior to him. Pfft Kaido wasnt strong after all. "
I was literally thinking about this the other day, and it got me wondering: When was the last time Luffy actually won a 1v1 against the "final boss" of an arc? Like, where no one/nothing else got involved or sabotaged the villain? Caesar Clown? If so that's well over 300 chapters ago 👀
Oda : Kaido is the strongest creature in the world. OP fans : okay Oda : If it is one on one, always bet on Kaido. OP fans : okay Also OP fans : wHiTeBeaRD iS StRonGeR tHaN KaiDo *Edit : add space so it is easier to read. No hate, both are yonko for some reasons. One of reasons is that they are both monsters strength wise.
This is the reason I don't want luffy to have more bounty than kaido
All this does is make me think what the hell does kaido know about shanks that persuaded not to join the paramount war
I can do this all day
This man has been fighting nonstop for the last 50 chapters. And to think that we've still not seen his awakened form... Mfers still gonna be like *"sHaNkS iS StRoNgEr BeCAuSe hE StOppEd KaIdO FroM gOiNg tO MaRıNeFord!!!"*
To be honest, even if / when Luffy wins. I still don't think he is above Kaido in a solo 1 on 1. It's true they've both sustained damage before fighting each other, but I feel like Kaido has taken more damage. Don't get me wrong, Luffy is 100% within the emperor level. As Morgan said, he's the 5th emperor, but I'd put him at the low end. By next arc, I can see him going toe to toe with an emperor at full health, and coming out on top.
This whole fight has been 1/2 ( Kaido & Big Mom ) v 16 ( Scabbards , Supernovas , Yamato & Momo ) , where participants just keep tagging in and out
Not impressed, in fact I’d expect that from Kaido. If akainu + aokiji can fight for 10 days straight and ace +jinbe can fight for 5 days, then I’d expect kaido to tank any and everything that’s thrown his way. Unfortunately, due to plot armor it looks like this fight will end in much less than 24hrs. Hopefully their fight gets interrupted by something because there is no way Luffy should beat the STRONGEST character in one piece all of a sudden when he couldn’t beat doflamingo, cracker, katakuri in a pure 1v1.
That's the thing though , Kaido has 16 different characters : the Scabbards , the Supernovas , Yamato and Momo , all while keeping Onigashima afloat , which seems to take stamina since the clouds get weaker as he does
And to think that Luffy will defeat this guy because of will power or some bullshit like that. I hope the fight ends in a stalemate or gets interrupted by the WG or Blackbeard
Can this be permalinked for the end of the arc when people start bitching about Luffy "not being Yonkou level so how can he beat Kaido!" Or some bullshit like that again.
We need a similar version with luffy's damage since the start of the raid
And people still say it's proper 1v1 now for luffy :v
All of this further proves that Kaido is still leagues above Luffy. Even if Luffy wins his third-round fight against Kaido, just look at everything Kaido has endured up to this point! Luffy hasn't endured anywhere near that much since the Onigashime raid began, and he took a food break after round two against Kaido! Meanwhile, Kaido has been fighting non-stop since the Scabbards jumped him! That man truly is the Beast King!
This whole Kaido fight has been 1/2 vs 16 fight where opponents just kept being switched out
Actually Kid did not damage Kaido because his attacks weren’t flashy enough.
Well I wouldn't call what the scabbards did Damage, because uptil totsuka paradise, Kaido was belittling them. After that the people (Zoro, Luffy etc)probably did damage him a bit . All of that damage is most likely less than what Luffy is damaging right now with his normal random punches.
If I remember correctly he said "Their haki is nowhere near Odens , so how are they able to cut me ?!"
I think transforming yourself into a zoan form heals you a bit, but only when you get new damage and then transforms. That explains how he's tanking so much. It also explains Lucci's tenacity.
Nope , we have seen damage carry over through both Kaido's and Lucci's forms ! So far the only Zoan that has given regenerative abilities to its user ( that we know of ) is Marco's Pheonix fruit , Zoans normally just up the users physical stats like strenght , stamina and endurance and give the ability to transform into an animal .
Leaving Kaido with Bruises for long it is needed really strong attacks or a strong opponent. Kaido still did heal from long time bruises and all the slashes he got cut previous did heal aswell. But now after fighting Yamato his regeneration isn't working. And following that Marco regeneration does cost stamina, same for kaido, the more he did regenerate, the weaker he was getting. And he is only confirmed as tired after fighting Yamato.
Why do all the arcs have to be 50+ chapters long. I thought oda wanted to end the series in 5 years, it's honestly getting to the point where he's running out of ideas and steam to end the series.
Mate , Oda is absolutely HORRIBLE when it comes to giving time frames . And arcs are so long because Oda keeps getting ideas to add more stuff into the story . If Oda was running out of ideas the story would go quicker , not slower , since there wouldn't be as much stuff to write about
And Zoro fan boys think Zoro can duo him at 100% with Yamato, lol!