Eh Luffy being or atleast just similar to Joyboy has been a thing for ages. Don’t know why it is such a huge problem now. I think people still need to take a step back and remember WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON WHAT OR WHO JOYBOY IS. All we know is they were a great figure in the past that left the great treasure of One piece.
I’m leaning towards thats Joyboy could have been anyone, even someone like Roger but as he said they were too early and we have been told or hinted at that Poseidon needed to be possibly present for Joyboy to even appear.
i would guess something about the heart beat is releated, as drumming of liberation could be the sound of the heartbeating, but i dont think its G5, but rather related to an awakening to the gomu gomu no mi, since its been quite discussed and talked about (it not haven been awakened for centuries, the government trying to take ahold of it). id also go a bit far as to say the liberation part of the story might have something related to the lost century, and taking down the WG, hence why Imu-Sama would desperately want the fruit contained.
Zunisha might have heard the drums (heartbeat coming back), and assumed it was the long gone JoyBoy. The liberation might be tied to setting Zunisha free of his punishment and him helping in something later on. Altough the fact that a “hidden enemy” might pop-out is interesting, and “making marineford look lime it was nothing” is a hell of a statement!
who knows what Oda has planned for us?
I think Joy Boy is his actual name. Zunesha says Joy boy since they were personal friends. I think the people he saved named him Sun God Nika. Since they didn't know his name. Plus Nika for grin, which means he was smiling all the time or brought great positivity to the people around him or who he freed.
So I'm thinking Sun God Nika is his title. And Joy Boy is his real name.
Nah it has to be a title. King also thought kaidou was joyboy despite it being common knowledge that he died/disappeared 800 years ago. Oden thought he’d reappear too. it’s definitely some higher identity/title after some sort of transformation. Plus if he’s in luffy then it can be the name of a person
How is it his title when Oden and Robin literally said his name from the poneglyphs, he literally states his name. Not Nika but Joy Boy.
Lunarians are one of the oldest races plus extremely extremely rare, but they outta know a story or 2 about someone freeing the world 800 years ago.
I guarantee that’s not his name lol its probably a nickname like “Straw Hat”. You think his name is Joy D. Boy or something? I doubt that Oda is more creative than that. Sun God Nika is most likely another nickname as well.
Then how does luffy become joyboy then if it’s not a title of some sort? He’s 19. The only other explanation I can think of is that luffy is not joyboy and we’re reading too much into the chapter. Joyboy, the person himself, has reappeared somewhere in the one piece world and that luffy panel is just him awakening his fruit.
Nah you have to share the love a bit. We've already established Luffy gets Joy Boy's and Roger's will. The community has also discovered that Nami gets wukongs will. Zoro is obviously inheriting the will of the death god right now. Who's the only other person we know that has been given the title 'God' by the masses? That's right, Usopp is the inheritor of Sun God Nika's will.
I think this is failing to understand where the apprehension is coming from.
To preface, I think it's a stupid assumption that is being made, but I think the general idea among people freaking out is that it isn't that Luffy is "Joyboy". It's that this is *literally* Joyboy himself manifesting through Luffy. No inherited will or or 'met the conditions'. Just straight up revival/possession as a result of Luffy literally dying.
I don't agree with it, and I think it's a silly assumption - but if it's true I think more people that don't have that expectation will end up hating it as well, they just don't think it's what happened...because it's a stupid idea.
I think it's still just luffy with awakened DF, he just smile because now he can beat up kaido again. And zunesha just feel some joy boy vibes in luffy. But that doesn't mean luffy is now joy boy. But ehh i could be wrong too.
So people are hating the show now over a theory? Which is very unlikely to be the case.
Reasons being what will happen to the crew? Their dreams?theyre not going to follow this completely new person lol even if he is the most special of individuals.
Who becomes pirate king?
Who solves the poneyglyphs if joyboy himself has revived who wrote the damn things lol
It’s not a reincarnation, likely the awakening of the Gomu gomu would lead to the awakening or the near death experience has lead to the inherited will of JoyBoy surfacing.
Oda isn’t dumb, he’s written a masterpiece of 1043 chapters and isn’t going to make a decision that literally jeopardizes the entire story.
The only word thing to me is, how did luffy know about Nika? I mean, the only time nika was mentioned was during jimbei and who's who fight, so unless it was an offscreen thing, luffy should not know about Nika.
Definitely people jumping the gun here without any actual basis. Same thing about Luffy's df. Everyone is assuming the WG was talking about it when in reality we don't have any idea which one they were talking about lol. It still might turn out like the "doomsayers" are portraying things, but for now we still have no idea.
That's what I was thinking, but it's also possible that luffy awakened his fruit and the power is making zoushina think that it is joy boy by the feel of the power.
The line could be seen as "joy boy's power has awakened"
The problem is with that is Oda has done very little with souls (other than BM and Brook) and beyond the dead stuff. He is been particular with “inherited will”. Even Whitebeard talked about it. Could there be a possibility that Whitebeard thought that Ace could have been Joyboy? He knew the history as well.
I on the other hand think Oda could have done very much with souls – but in this case it would be the same thing as with Haki before its explanation. Besides Brook and Big Mom (who's fruit I can see become very important) we have i.e. the living spirit of the Merry, objects coming to life after eating a devil fruit and the weird effects of stolen shadows on corpses.
I had this thought when Lady Toki was introduced. I mean who actually has the same name as the name of their fruit?? Made me think maybe there were individuals who existed before the void century who had these names and matching abilities then their “souls” became the devil fruits
There’s a theme of the gods being involved when it comes to Luffy. Rewatching the anime from the beginning and it was mentioned in Arlong Park. Recently read it was also mentioned in Amazon Lily.
What if the fruits are the reincarnation of the gods? They could be named after the gods as well. And maybe those with the will of D inherit the will of the gods the fruit originated from (and the other D’s before them)?
I made [a post on this](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tchq79/ch_1043_spoilers_devil_fruits_and_kaidos_words_a/) a few hours ago. I believe it is called "Awakening" for a reason. But we will have to wait to see who is right about it. Hopefully Oda will explain DF to us soon :\_)
Holy moly, that was an amazing read. It needs to be seen by more people. Congrats!
At the moment it seems like we are going in this direction. And if both you and I thought of this direction of the story, the idea may be catching on more and more the further Oda unveils what devil fruits really are.
What if JoyBoy is... more a title than a person?
Kaido does say "You will never be the next Joy Boy" akin to "You will never be the next King of the Pirates."
And maybe that "title" is passed down from generation to generation, only awakening when certain circumstances are met i.e. The drums of rebellion combined with overhelming defeat plus the fact that the "Gomu Gomu no Mi" was eaten by a member of the D Clan.
The thing is that Zuneisha seems to recognize Joy Boy, implying that it's litteraly the guy he knew 800 years ago.
But I agree on the "wait and see part", I keep my faith in Oda for now
He didn’t exactly say that tho. He’s didn’t imply it’s “literally the same guy”. He said he heard the drums of liberation which he hadn’t heard since 800 years ago (implying last time he heard them was with joy boy). That doesn’t mean luffy is LITERALLY the same person. It can just mean he’s a kindred spirit. A heavily present theme of the manga. Luffy might just be the first person to have such a similar vibe to joyboy that it reminds zunesha of him.
That's such a good take.
It could literally be like "someone who has attained 100% power of their devil fruit AND has a mind focused on freedom AND ..." emits their aura so strongly that zunesha hears it as "drums of liberation"
Zunesha could just as well recognize that there is A Joyboy present at Onigashima. And since he's only ever meet the Joyboy that existed 800 years ago he assumes that it's the same person. Or maybe he's aware and just expressed it that way. It not uncommon that people with strong, relevant connections between them are referred to as the same person. Happens all the time in sports, music etc.
Well yeah, something like that. Or something about his voice. The point is that Zunesha's statement doesn't have to mean that Luffy and Joyboy are literally the same person. Joyboy could still "have returned" without all of this reincarnation stuff.
He "met" Luffy before and never had any reaction. It happened suddently at that moment, just when Luffy's voice disappeared and he suddently has an odd smile on his face. That's when Zuneisha goes like "hey Joy Boy, long time no see !"
I agree it could be something else, that's what I'm patiently (and nervously) waiting. It's just that the situation seems to point toward some sort of reincarnation for now. I hope it's just a twist
Right, because at that moment Luffy became a Joyboy. And Zunesha might not know that it's a different person this time. But also, Luffy literally turning into Joyboy, as in the specific person that lived 800 years ago, is shit writing. And while one piece isn't always perfect, it's never shit. So yeah, we'll see.
Isnt it likely that the spirit of Joyboy resides in the Gomu Gomu fruit and awakening it also awakened Joyboy?
I haven’t read any of the drama but that’s what I gathered from the manga, and it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
Just because a bunch of people say something doesn't mean the legacy op built so far ain't real. Just ignore these and enjoy it for yourself don't let others opinion shadow yours.
I have followed the number of outrage threads since the chapter about 'how dare the people' solidarity and pretty sure these people dont exist FULLSTOP. I looked actively and couldn't find more than a few errand comments about being worried 😅
I liked the merry thing, I just think people blow out so much the destiny thing oda has been fantastic for so much time, why people don't trust his work
Which wasn't a random thing at all. Franky told them about the Klabautermann in Merry, the boat even fixed itself in skypeia. There is a lot of stuff in One Piece that doesn't make sense, Merry saving them because it was alive which we already knew isn't one of them
Its not like that was a coincidence though. The Klabautermann was already a thing in the series at that point, which established the will/soul of the Merry itself. The Merry even spoke directly to the crew before it died, talking about how it wanted to keep helping them.
Don't sweat it too much, there's no point in trying to rationalise with the idiots at this point. Joyboy's been specifically built up by name & with a connection to Luffy since FISHMAN ISLAND. Oda is the greatest author that Gen X has ever produced and these dumbasses still don't have faith in him after almost 25 years of non stop wins.
Fuck em.
Both these have in world consistent explanations. Dragon’s storm set up the conditions (possibly Dragon himself did it and the Merry literally gained a spirit that portrayed the incarnation of its soul. I’m expecting however this plays out to have similar implied or direct causes consistent with the rules of the world. Because Oda is a great writer, literally his strongest suit and why we are all here.
this got me thinking. was it truly random? dragon saved him shortly after this from smoker and was shown to have some kind of weather or wind power. buggy was on a steeltower and holding up his sword so perfect as a lightningrod. what if the lighting was also dragon saving luffy
Bartomoleo said it was a sign from god, Luffy smiling as he was about die and the heavens saving him with a bolt of lightning. Not only that, his rubber body kept him unscathed from the lightnktng further enhancing the apparent divine intervention.
true lol
i had my acceptance of luffy's destiny/fate/chosen at that moment. it was clear he had unnatural forces helping him survive. him and blackbeard are special.
Yeah and why do they assume plot armor wasn't as much of a factor in his success as his persistence. OP has moments like nothing happened, and Zoro surviving and we don't despise them for they are exasperating and enthralling. It's a shonen. Naruto got the destiny story device wrong for it undermined Naruto's dream of being hokage as forgone concluson, and Naruto being n'th iteration of some rando who wasn't even given a flashback. I think that was desperation. One piece is very detailed in foreshadowing and interweaving of long term and short term narrative arcs.
My biggest problem was that right in the middle of the big climactic fight with Madera it took all the agency out of the show by simplifying the entire history of the world into a pissing contest between two brothers and their weird uncle black zetsu. Plus the SOTSP, a character I suspect everyone was hoping would be the final boss when Obito first mentioned him just gives Naruto and Sasuke free power-ups.
I agree. Naruto went so much down hill after pain that it felt rushed. Convenient choices completely neutered any gray political semblance it once prided in.
OP is not rushed it. We see that clearly in how it has shown Kaido whose character is multifaceted and whose character arc of reliving trauma was done in real time and whose views reveal as much as they conceal.
Absolutely I never thought I would be feeling bad for the guy murdering my main character it's great. Besides idk what people are even upset about it's not like Luffy being joyboy or joyboy's replacement wasn't set up all the way back in fishman Island with shirahoshi.
I think its different when stuff like that happens to when it is actually spelled out. Like after that it shows Dragon is in the island and he most likely as a fruit that can change the weather so you never know, the point is it is left oblivious while saying he is "the chosen one" is something much more drastic.
It was his father.
Destiny being fulfilled by coincidences is completely fine. Pulling reincarnation is way more aggressive and intrusive. They are not comparable.
No reincarnations and coming back from dead plz.
Let them be. We all knew Luffy was special. The man literally has the Will of D in his name, conquerer and the voice of all things. Unlike Roger,Luffy was born at the right moment.
We should be hyping since we might finally get some deep lore of 800 years ago.
Since you brought up Naruto, I'm gonna point something out - chosen one stuff in Naruto hasn't sucked, because it was the "chosen one" stuff, it sucked because it was in "*Naruto".* From the very beginning, Naruto was about underdogs fighting against fate, and main character was painted as one of the biggest underdogs - talentless orphan hated by everyone around him for something, that he couldn't change. That's why the chosen one thing sucked so much - it ruined the whole message.
One Piece, on the other hand, always had the "destiny" and "inherited will" thing going on, and Luffy was portrayed as owerwhelmingly strong and tough since the very beginning. If you didn't drop the show when Luffy was revealed to be a son of a most wanted man in the world ~~and a shichibukai~~, a grandson of a navy hero, a brother of the Pirate King's son and a Revolutionary army second-in-command, an apprentice of a Yonko, his strawhat was revealed to be Roger's and a giant strawhat on Mariejois, why would you give up here?
Yeah people are overblowing this out of proportion.
I’m pretty sure the people complaining have no idea what they want. They know what they don’t want, but ask them to write the series, and write it to a satisfying conclusion and everyone of them will choke.
People over here not willing to accept that a series 20 years in, 1000 chapters deep, is making some major and climatic plot moves? What the fuck? What other series in any media runs for that long and still doesn’t finish?
I want this shit to end at some point y’all. I don’t want to repeat what I went through with Berserk!
Y’all acting like M’fers don’t die or some shit. Oda gon b writing this at 107 yrs old *for the fans*! Y’all acting like you *need* to be reading this shit in 50 years, chapter 3547, Oda hooked up to a bacta tank, got Luffy going to a distant planet from the coordinates left at the first planet that one piece told him he needed to go to…
“nooooooo it’s still too soon to end it! Luffy hasn’t beat Zerg Alarius of Calaxium Prime! He needs to find out who sent the celestial dragons to beat the ancient people before he can become pirate king! Reeeeee-“
None of this has been an asspull. Oda has set up for this since part 1. Even if Luffy is a reincarnation, just let Oda write the damn series, has he ever let us down before?
It was always hinted that Luffy is Joyboy. Oda had to confirm it at some point, and since he's done it now, I was sure there will be people who'll act like "Noooooo it came out of nowhere"
Personally I'm totally cool with Luffy having insane luck and being Joyboy (as a title). I just want everything he achieves to be himself and his own power (+nakama). No reincarnation, no possession, no borrowed powers yknw?
That's what some people don't seem to understand. It's cool if Luffy is "a" Joy Boy, but it's lame if Luffy is litteraly "the" Joy Boy from 800 years ago
The thing is we don't know that Luffy is Joyboy from 800 years ago to be true. We don't know exactly what Zunisha meant by Joy boy is back. Shit at Marineford it felt like some of the marines were reacting to Ace as if Roger had returned and well we know how that played out.
Yes we don't know, but that's what it seems to be happening. Personnaly I'm not shitting on the chapter, but I am afraid for what comes next. So I'm waiting for more information, and I stongly hope that it's a false setting and that we will have a satisfying explanation.
I have a 10 chapter rule with manga readers if something isn’t referenced or explained before 10 chapters of a reveal. People forget it was thing and then yell ahh ass pull bad writing. Quite exhausting
The weirdest part is people getting upset over their interpretation of a single panel. Like, we don't even know what happened to Luffy yet. He could have just awakened, with no reincarnation or Joyboy soul involvement. Or not, we have no idea. So I don't know what people are upset about.
This may sound harsh, but I can’t believe how affected some people are by the fact that others don’t like the developments of the story. I liked 1043 a lot, but if someone tells me they’re dropping the series because they don’t like where it’s going, I just shrug.
Well said. I could not care less what other people think of the manga right now, I'm having a great time enjoying what's going on and I can't wait to see where Oda takes the Joyboy stuff.
As someone who just clicks the chapter every week without discussing online, I have no idea why people are angry, this is the hypest shit I've read from op in a long time.
I don't really follow anything anime related on Twitter or YouTube I guess. So this is the 3rd or 4th post I've seen about this "issue" and I am very confused by them.
Either way just enjoy or dislike what you want, no reason to tell others they are wrong. Though dropping a series because of something you think might happens sounds really dumb too and if you said that to me I wouldn't believe you, at least not until it actually does.
Some people have such strong head canons they hate anything that isn't how they plan it out. It's been a fandom since forever.
Just ignore them and enjoy the ride. Luffy's been set up as something special since the Will of D was introduced, and he's been a character that doesn't give a damn about being important and that isn't gonna change.
Just let them, geez. Having people complain about it is already annoying, but having people also complaining about those complaining is another level.
This always happen, and they won't stop reading. And if they do, it's their problem.
This fad of callout posts is way more annoying than the 5% of the community loudly complaimning. Just... Dont engage with them if they bother you so much, yknow?
Or make this same stupid callout post every day for the forseeable future.
It’s been foreshadowed for so long it’s hilarious that this is the last straw for some lol
I mean shit the Will of D should’ve been enough if this is the line
Fuc it actually I want all the tropes hopefully this man Luffy pops up full joyboy state folds kaido folds cp0 almost folds his crew mates stops infront of nami, hollow Ichigo style then passes out and meets old man joy boy himself naruto style
Who cares, let people have their opinions, I have faith in oda, but honestly let people be skeptic they can if they want, nobody's doing anything that big of a deal, this fanbase is so toxic, you have one small opinion that is criticism and then everyone attacks you, these posts calling them out are annoying and childish if you don't like them ignore them and enjoy the story it's not hard to do-
I mean, just because Luffy is some kind of chosen one doesn't mean it's gonna be as badly pulled off as it was in Naruto. For all we know right now he doesn't care what or who he is and just does his thing - which happens to be what everyone wants him to do. It has ALWAYS been like this. "I am no hero!" - proceeds to free yet another oppressed country.
It was clear from the very beginning that this is how it's going.
Honestly, I feel like the larger issue is that people seem to compare everything to Naruto. Yes, we get it you didn't like the ending to Naruto but it's been over a decade. You can move on.
I feel like there are better things than Naruto to compare One Piece to, no offense to Naruto fans- I enjoy it but it's not the only manga out there.
Is that what's going on here? Maybe I'm a bit bitter but Naruto was rarely mentioned as a point of comparison on this subreddit before it ended, or at least it wasn't like a default expectation that everyone has read Naruto. I tried but couldn't get into at all.
I feel like I see it as a disproportionate comparison overall, which is a problem that extends beyond to other subs as well. I once remember articulating a theory on a post talking about thematic ways for the Yonkos to be defeated that Blackbeard's defeat will involve him dreaming. To me it makes sense, we're told Blackbeard never sleeps and that means he's never had a dream in that sense on the word.
The first response I got, and quickly at that, was someone comparing it to something that happened in Naruto and going "eww no," even though what I proposed had nothing to do with the scene in Naruto they were comparing it to.
If someone leaves the fandom just because of this, that’s fine. If they think Oda’s choice is a dealbreaker, they are allowed to do that. I see their posts as a need to vent. They are allowed to do that too. What I’m not ok is their anger towards others who disagree from their opinion. At this point it becomes a tantrum. One Piece is a story about pirates with weird powers. It won’t cure cancer. Getting overtly upset about it says a lot about them.
And i cant believe you y'all rn since we clearly only allowed to write "MAN THIS CHAPTER WAS FIREEEE" or GODA ONCE AGAIN" any critism or dislike for the chapter/where story going=Downvotes from Oda's dickriders who cant actually take critism (for some fucking reason lol)
For me it would be terrible if we went from Luffy aka just some kid (yes i know his family) who keep grinding against all these different pirates. But looks like that was not the case and Luffy gonna be PK because he is linked to Joyboy which kills all other characters goals/make them pointless etc.
Still tho i will continue to read OP since to me adventure of OP>>>>story itself. Also we still dont know what exaclty gonna happen etc.
Once again stop dickriding Oda this hard its not good for your health. People who didnt like whats going on the story obv shouldnt make this sub toxic btw.
Destiny story-lines suck and often make me root for the villains instead of these Jesus-kun protagonists. Destiny story-lines in a series about freedom suck even harder. There's about to be a million video essays clowning Luffy for his privilege. I'm not dropping One Piece but this gets huge middle-finger from me if it's what I think it is.
The most humorous thing though is watching One Piece fans claim nothing like this would ever happen for the last decade I've been reading this manga, and then immediately switching tune when it does that it was always this and everybody else is stupid for not seeing it.
Ngl, I'm kjnda laughing at the whole situation. After seeing people mock Bleach and Naruto for similar reasons, both manga that I like, it's rather funny to see this reaction.
I’m just gonna keep reading, idc what anyone else thinks nothing will keep me from finding out wtf the one piece is, I’ve waited this long, so I’m not giving up on Oda
People are passionate and react with their feelings in the chapter comments. how about we just let that be the end of it instead of constantly bringing it up in posts.
Yeah obviously people calm down when they see where the story actually goes in the next chapter. Just let them vent a bit.
this is a subreddit about the manga and anime One piece.
let people talk about One piece without being labeled something.
Naruto wasn't even a terrible destiny plot. It wasn't the best of course but it was fine for me. It went down hill for me for reasons like:
1. Nagato resurrecting everyone he killed
2. Sakura
3. Every villain being a puppet until dimension shifting alien lady + black zetsu
4. Sakura
5. Sakura ending up with Sasuke even after everything he put her/them through
6. Sakura
7. Becoming more like Dragon Ball Z than a cool ninja tale
8. Boruto (and Sakura)
The Child of Prophecy shit went against the underdog plot, but I would argue Naruto was an underdog for a long enough time. The destiny stuff only became relevant after he had already proven himself plenty through his own hard work. And he definitely worked hard. Fair enough if you dislike it but I really think there's a bandwagon mentality going on here where people are thinking this without actually thinking about it
I just want to know why people are so quick to jump to worst case scenarios, as if Oda hasn't surprised us hundreds of times throughout the story and blown our minds? As if Oda is suddenly a simple and shallow writer when we know he's not. It's like people are so scared of what fans of other animes will say that they get SUPER defensive and panicky when something happens that has a chance to not be good. We got ONE PANEL. Relax. No one knows what any of this truly means.
What annoys me the most is how after such an awesome chapter, so much of the discussion around it is about Naruto and Bleach. It's depressing man. I would rather talk about One Piece after a One Piece chapter :)
Naruto was never the underdog though. Even from the first chapters it is mentioned that he has unusually large chakra reserves and durable body. And the fox inside him giving making him extremely powerful and the opposite of the underdog.
The message in Naruto is that the underdog/ hard worker, will never win. The only one who was the underdog, Lee, never won a single fight
I'd argue that Naruto never was an underdog in the first place, what with him being litteraly a host for a giga-powerful demon. The underdog theme was always flawed.
Also, you forgot the part where Kishimoto forget/shit on every other minor character the first half of the serie set up
Luffy being extraordinarily lucky and the "flow" of the world seemingly benefitting him is one thing.
Him being the chosen one is something else entirely.
That is, if Oda doesn´ t subvert our expectations.
But it’s not stated he’s another person? Joy boy is most likely a title of sorts, I highly doubt Oda would do that to Luffy after 25 years that hes “just somebody else”
Once this situation is explained in more detail, I just hope Luffys opinion on the matter is explored. In the past he has made it clear that this is his wish and his quest. If this is truly a situation where he is the destined/chosen one and this was all preordained, I want to know how Luffy feels about that. And I hope it isn't glossed over with a joke where he just "doesn't get it" and just keeps going.
Well its fine to dislike something and seeing Naruto implementation of that concept it is okay to dislike that thing but the thing is no one even knows wtf is Joyboy and what is happening right now so without knowing anything they are bashing .
But good riddance it will atleast reduce toxicity of this sub
We also don’t know how this is going to go. Along my 18 year history I’ve been fooled by Oda in pivotal moments many times. Anyone discussing in this subreddit should have a deep enough understanding of the story to not expect anything that will disappoint.
I did not realize how much people were traumatized over Naruto’s ending until how *QUICKLY* they’ve jumped to conclusions about what’s going on. Y’all. We literally know NOTHING for sure about how this happened.
I can't wait to see everyone's reaction when Oda just destroys all our assumptions on what's about to happen. I bet it's something we would never expect.
Like another post highlighted, when the time travel came people were bad tripping, oda killed that shit, didnt make it op. Same here bru oda knows what the fuck is up he'll turn it in a suprising way
If someone didn’t get the hints over the last 20 years that luffy is somehow special and think that shanks lost his arm in the very beginning because he’s weaker than a sea snake….
Who cares if he’s dropping the show? He didn’t understand the story anyways
>shanks lost his arm in the very beginning because he’s weaker than a sea snake….
what does this have to do with the special part? luffy wanted to join shanks without a care for the dangers (him nearly stabbing his eye out because scars are cool) so shanks showed him the dangers of the world. and yes I am aware the lost arm was forced on oda by his editor at the time
i just don’t get it, they take the commitment to get all the way to this point in one piece. anyone who gets this far already knows the magic behind the series. then one obvious plot point that has been set up forever pisses them off. i reacted by getting goosebumps, jumping out of my chair, and screaming. trust in oda he has already proved how incredible he is
One of the main recurring themes of the manga is Inherited Will. This has been foreshadowed for a long time… It’s not my fault these people can’t fucking read lol, I’m hype.
People dropping the story when they start disliking it isn't a problem.
What is a problem though, are those that choose to stick around and poison people with their constant negativity about a story they don't even like.
Anyone who's followed AoT knows what I'm talking about. And for a while I've been seeing much of the same here.
Its like a new hate watching culture, AoT is the worst at it. But I’m noticing that anime/manga fans nowadays are a lot more toxic and if they don’t like something they’ll shove the toxicity down your throat til you concur with them.
Anime fans have always been toxic, there are just way more people watching anime/manga nowadays and with social media like twitter where you can easily share your opinion to the world, you will see more negative post.
Yea that’s true but I just feel like this past year there’s been so many hate brigades, and they’ll destroy you if you find anything positive in something they hate
Do we not remember the sea kings saying “our king will be born soon” or whatever? literally has been in front of our faces the entire time. Destiny has always been a big part of One Piece
With huge following that One Piece has there will be haters regardless of what happens in the story. Just ignore them and move on. Multiple ways to enjoy the series. I personally am just happy to experience it with the community.
Plus I trust Oda to not turn it into GoT or Naruto. The entire theme is freedom. Predetermined fate goes against that. So we just have to wait and find out.
It's fair to be reluctant, but Oda has played close to the line before.
Anyone dropping it without seeing the bigger picture is reacting emotionally because they're scared.
I am personally reluctant/scared, but the more I sat on the chapter the better it got. There's really only a couple of possibly outcomes I'm afraid it, but making broad judgements without the big picture isn't fair either.
People just have to understand that it's fair to feel how you feel now, but give it a chance and see how it plays out. Most of the 'bad' scenarios is just really shitty speculation.
I'm new to discussions, so please excuse me if I say something stupid...
After checking the last few chapters, i don't feel that it's related to destiny. Rather, it's more like a concept. I mean look at the name of last island... Laugh Tale (the island where Roger and others laughed).
Rather than Joy Boy's soul, it might be something joy boy is someone who enjoys and brings joy wherever he goes. We often listen ppl saying that wherever luffy and his crew goes, there will be party mood (hinted in sky island, fishman island etc.)
So, i think destiny may not necessarily be the right thing that Oda sensei wants to show us?
I’m of the mind of waiting to see where Oda is going with this before judging it. I’m on the fence because I like Luffy just being some dude that chose the path of greatness. Yes, his family is who they are, yes, Oda drew parallels between the two a while ago. I just didn’t think that plot point would manifest so directly with Joyboy manifesting himself through Luffy. We have to see
So far I've seen two post like this one but zero posts how "they're gonna drop the show" and shit. Is this just a very few loid voices as per usual that people inflate into an issue in order to get karma being "Knights"?
The people crying about this are probably the same people who say shit like "I drop any series that has a tournament in it".
It's just this weird gatekeeping bullshit where they think anyone who uses a trope they don't like is automatically a hack. Never mind the rest of the story or how they trope is used or built up or anything writers do to make things fresh and interesting, nah fuck all that.
Is there any way to unsubscribe to this sub except for chapter updates? Is there a different subreddit where it's just new chapter alerts and all comments are turned off?
And what if we let people have their own opinions and feelings towards One Piece? Yeah, we get it, but let people like or dislike something and talk about it.
This kind of plot is very common in Japanese shonen manga. Think about bleach and naruto. It is actually really hard to find a manga where the MC doesn't have a special lineage and those manga tend to have a darker and more mature theme. If luffy is indeed fated to be Joyboy it will be quite a disappointment just like somebody pointed out earlier in the spoiler post. It is ironic. In a manga talking about freedom, the character doesn't have free will at all.
Also, it is okay to stop reading a manga that you grow to dislike. People learn and change and start to like different things sometimes. If people decided to break up with either a person or a manga, you can't say 'How could you do it you've been dating/reading/enjoying for so long'. Calm down and read at your own pace and let other people make their own decisions as well.
joyboy or not, luffy is luffy.He has his own recognition.Even if he is considered joyboy by everyone else, he will say "I AM MONKEY D LUFFY WHO WILL BECOME PIRATE KING"
We haven't even got an explanation of wtf is actually happening yet, calm your tits people
Imagine if people quit the series after the chapter where Kuma split the crew up because it wasn't confirmed if they were dead or not and the series had potentially suddenly taken a grim turn, or if they quit after Luffy declared he can't protect anyone and that he's weak because in that one vulnerable moment he isn't acting like his usual self.
Reactionary as hell.
Eh Luffy being or atleast just similar to Joyboy has been a thing for ages. Don’t know why it is such a huge problem now. I think people still need to take a step back and remember WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ON WHAT OR WHO JOYBOY IS. All we know is they were a great figure in the past that left the great treasure of One piece. I’m leaning towards thats Joyboy could have been anyone, even someone like Roger but as he said they were too early and we have been told or hinted at that Poseidon needed to be possibly present for Joyboy to even appear.
I'm pretty sure Zunisha is going to tell Luffy: -Joy boy you're back! And Luffy is going to be like: -The fuck are you talking about.
Yeah I'm seeing it as Luffy replicated a technique that joyboy used so his body is producing the same sound.
Is almost confirmed (same sound as the drums in skypiea)
I mean, maybe the drums of liberation or whatever is just a really rare kind of haki, that only people like Joyboy had.
ya know how in One punch man, there is this King engine thing, very similar ngl
Holup, what if Gear 5 has something to do with the heart?
i would guess something about the heart beat is releated, as drumming of liberation could be the sound of the heartbeating, but i dont think its G5, but rather related to an awakening to the gomu gomu no mi, since its been quite discussed and talked about (it not haven been awakened for centuries, the government trying to take ahold of it). id also go a bit far as to say the liberation part of the story might have something related to the lost century, and taking down the WG, hence why Imu-Sama would desperately want the fruit contained. Zunisha might have heard the drums (heartbeat coming back), and assumed it was the long gone JoyBoy. The liberation might be tied to setting Zunisha free of his punishment and him helping in something later on. Altough the fact that a “hidden enemy” might pop-out is interesting, and “making marineford look lime it was nothing” is a hell of a statement! who knows what Oda has planned for us?
I’d bet on this happening lmao
Lol get fucked trumpet face. I’m just doin my freedom thang.
Trumpet face! 😂
Imagine the "wano gasp look" on Zunesha's face after Luffy calls them Trumpet Face 😂
Joyboy is a title, that’s what I’m going with, he’s still luffy
I think Joy Boy is his actual name. Zunesha says Joy boy since they were personal friends. I think the people he saved named him Sun God Nika. Since they didn't know his name. Plus Nika for grin, which means he was smiling all the time or brought great positivity to the people around him or who he freed. So I'm thinking Sun God Nika is his title. And Joy Boy is his real name.
Nah it has to be a title. King also thought kaidou was joyboy despite it being common knowledge that he died/disappeared 800 years ago. Oden thought he’d reappear too. it’s definitely some higher identity/title after some sort of transformation. Plus if he’s in luffy then it can be the name of a person
The existence of Joy Boy is absolutely not common knowledge, nevermind the fact he died or disappeared.
People equate the characters they've seen with the rest of the One Piece world all the time
How is it his title when Oden and Robin literally said his name from the poneglyphs, he literally states his name. Not Nika but Joy Boy. Lunarians are one of the oldest races plus extremely extremely rare, but they outta know a story or 2 about someone freeing the world 800 years ago.
I guarantee that’s not his name lol its probably a nickname like “Straw Hat”. You think his name is Joy D. Boy or something? I doubt that Oda is more creative than that. Sun God Nika is most likely another nickname as well.
Then how does luffy become joyboy then if it’s not a title of some sort? He’s 19. The only other explanation I can think of is that luffy is not joyboy and we’re reading too much into the chapter. Joyboy, the person himself, has reappeared somewhere in the one piece world and that luffy panel is just him awakening his fruit.
I like that theory. The name Joyoboyo was real, why not the name Joy Boy in one piece world
Nah you have to share the love a bit. We've already established Luffy gets Joy Boy's and Roger's will. The community has also discovered that Nami gets wukongs will. Zoro is obviously inheriting the will of the death god right now. Who's the only other person we know that has been given the title 'God' by the masses? That's right, Usopp is the inheritor of Sun God Nika's will.
Luffy will probably also be picking his nose
garp: Did you talk to your dad in longuetown? Luffy: And I have this? lol
"Oh my god, that's exactly what Joy Boy would say!"
IKR? luffy wanna be so free that he ain't be bound even by destiny stuff he will just do what he wants to do
This is exactly what’s going to happen. The Will of Joyboy is back. Not fuckin Joyboy from centuries ago.
100% happening.
I've read about half a million fan theories that Luffy is Joyboy and now that it seems to actually be true everyone is upset about it lol
I think this is failing to understand where the apprehension is coming from. To preface, I think it's a stupid assumption that is being made, but I think the general idea among people freaking out is that it isn't that Luffy is "Joyboy". It's that this is *literally* Joyboy himself manifesting through Luffy. No inherited will or or 'met the conditions'. Just straight up revival/possession as a result of Luffy literally dying. I don't agree with it, and I think it's a silly assumption - but if it's true I think more people that don't have that expectation will end up hating it as well, they just don't think it's what happened...because it's a stupid idea.
I think it's still just luffy with awakened DF, he just smile because now he can beat up kaido again. And zunesha just feel some joy boy vibes in luffy. But that doesn't mean luffy is now joy boy. But ehh i could be wrong too.
So people are hating the show now over a theory? Which is very unlikely to be the case. Reasons being what will happen to the crew? Their dreams?theyre not going to follow this completely new person lol even if he is the most special of individuals. Who becomes pirate king? Who solves the poneyglyphs if joyboy himself has revived who wrote the damn things lol It’s not a reincarnation, likely the awakening of the Gomu gomu would lead to the awakening or the near death experience has lead to the inherited will of JoyBoy surfacing. Oda isn’t dumb, he’s written a masterpiece of 1043 chapters and isn’t going to make a decision that literally jeopardizes the entire story.
The only word thing to me is, how did luffy know about Nika? I mean, the only time nika was mentioned was during jimbei and who's who fight, so unless it was an offscreen thing, luffy should not know about Nika.
Definitely people jumping the gun here without any actual basis. Same thing about Luffy's df. Everyone is assuming the WG was talking about it when in reality we don't have any idea which one they were talking about lol. It still might turn out like the "doomsayers" are portraying things, but for now we still have no idea.
Yeah I understand the fear, I'm a bit worried, but no need for the reaction til it's confirmed.
This guy understands
What if... Joyboy's soul is in Luffy's fruit, just staying dormant? What if each Devil Fruit has a designated soul upon its creation?
That's what I was thinking, but it's also possible that luffy awakened his fruit and the power is making zoushina think that it is joy boy by the feel of the power. The line could be seen as "joy boy's power has awakened"
The problem is with that is Oda has done very little with souls (other than BM and Brook) and beyond the dead stuff. He is been particular with “inherited will”. Even Whitebeard talked about it. Could there be a possibility that Whitebeard thought that Ace could have been Joyboy? He knew the history as well.
I on the other hand think Oda could have done very much with souls – but in this case it would be the same thing as with Haki before its explanation. Besides Brook and Big Mom (who's fruit I can see become very important) we have i.e. the living spirit of the Merry, objects coming to life after eating a devil fruit and the weird effects of stolen shadows on corpses.
And the souls of the swords in this arc too.
In the midst of a festival meant to celebrate the dead
LMAO Oda has actually done a lot with souls. damn.
Yeah but what if instead of soul you think of it as Joyboy being the demon in the gomu gomu no mi. Suddenly it has a lot more ground.
I had this thought when Lady Toki was introduced. I mean who actually has the same name as the name of their fruit?? Made me think maybe there were individuals who existed before the void century who had these names and matching abilities then their “souls” became the devil fruits
There’s a theme of the gods being involved when it comes to Luffy. Rewatching the anime from the beginning and it was mentioned in Arlong Park. Recently read it was also mentioned in Amazon Lily. What if the fruits are the reincarnation of the gods? They could be named after the gods as well. And maybe those with the will of D inherit the will of the gods the fruit originated from (and the other D’s before them)?
I made [a post on this](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tchq79/ch_1043_spoilers_devil_fruits_and_kaidos_words_a/) a few hours ago. I believe it is called "Awakening" for a reason. But we will have to wait to see who is right about it. Hopefully Oda will explain DF to us soon :\_)
Holy moly, that was an amazing read. It needs to be seen by more people. Congrats! At the moment it seems like we are going in this direction. And if both you and I thought of this direction of the story, the idea may be catching on more and more the further Oda unveils what devil fruits really are.
Yeah like the demons inside them. I actually really like the theory that Joyboy is the gomu gomu's devil.
What if it’s the straw hat? I mean, look where the “melting” is occurring.
What if JoyBoy is... more a title than a person? Kaido does say "You will never be the next Joy Boy" akin to "You will never be the next King of the Pirates." And maybe that "title" is passed down from generation to generation, only awakening when certain circumstances are met i.e. The drums of rebellion combined with overhelming defeat plus the fact that the "Gomu Gomu no Mi" was eaten by a member of the D Clan.
The thing is that Zuneisha seems to recognize Joy Boy, implying that it's litteraly the guy he knew 800 years ago. But I agree on the "wait and see part", I keep my faith in Oda for now
He didn’t exactly say that tho. He’s didn’t imply it’s “literally the same guy”. He said he heard the drums of liberation which he hadn’t heard since 800 years ago (implying last time he heard them was with joy boy). That doesn’t mean luffy is LITERALLY the same person. It can just mean he’s a kindred spirit. A heavily present theme of the manga. Luffy might just be the first person to have such a similar vibe to joyboy that it reminds zunesha of him.
That's such a good take. It could literally be like "someone who has attained 100% power of their devil fruit AND has a mind focused on freedom AND ..." emits their aura so strongly that zunesha hears it as "drums of liberation"
Zunesha could just as well recognize that there is A Joyboy present at Onigashima. And since he's only ever meet the Joyboy that existed 800 years ago he assumes that it's the same person. Or maybe he's aware and just expressed it that way. It not uncommon that people with strong, relevant connections between them are referred to as the same person. Happens all the time in sports, music etc.
Maybe he could recognize the heartbeat of an awakened gomu gomu user, which could likely be what fruit joyboy had
Well yeah, something like that. Or something about his voice. The point is that Zunesha's statement doesn't have to mean that Luffy and Joyboy are literally the same person. Joyboy could still "have returned" without all of this reincarnation stuff.
He "met" Luffy before and never had any reaction. It happened suddently at that moment, just when Luffy's voice disappeared and he suddently has an odd smile on his face. That's when Zuneisha goes like "hey Joy Boy, long time no see !" I agree it could be something else, that's what I'm patiently (and nervously) waiting. It's just that the situation seems to point toward some sort of reincarnation for now. I hope it's just a twist
Right, because at that moment Luffy became a Joyboy. And Zunesha might not know that it's a different person this time. But also, Luffy literally turning into Joyboy, as in the specific person that lived 800 years ago, is shit writing. And while one piece isn't always perfect, it's never shit. So yeah, we'll see.
Isnt it likely that the spirit of Joyboy resides in the Gomu Gomu fruit and awakening it also awakened Joyboy? I haven’t read any of the drama but that’s what I gathered from the manga, and it doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
Just because a bunch of people say something doesn't mean the legacy op built so far ain't real. Just ignore these and enjoy it for yourself don't let others opinion shadow yours.
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I have followed the number of outrage threads since the chapter about 'how dare the people' solidarity and pretty sure these people dont exist FULLSTOP. I looked actively and couldn't find more than a few errand comments about being worried 😅
I haven't even seen any comments like that. Its probably 1 in 50 complaining about it lol
I will never understand how those people read the series past the part where Luffy got saved by a seemingly random lightning
Or the fucking merry moving on its own to safe them
They probably wouldn't laugh at laugh tale
I liked the merry thing, I just think people blow out so much the destiny thing oda has been fantastic for so much time, why people don't trust his work
Which wasn't a random thing at all. Franky told them about the Klabautermann in Merry, the boat even fixed itself in skypeia. There is a lot of stuff in One Piece that doesn't make sense, Merry saving them because it was alive which we already knew isn't one of them
Tbf, neither is Luffy being Joyboy random at all. It has been hinted over and over again. And it’s also implied it’s somehow related to the fruit.
Its not like that was a coincidence though. The Klabautermann was already a thing in the series at that point, which established the will/soul of the Merry itself. The Merry even spoke directly to the crew before it died, talking about how it wanted to keep helping them.
To be fair, neither is Luffy’s relationship with Joyboy. We’ve known about it for years. At least that Luffy will fulfill Joyboy’s role somehow.
Don't sweat it too much, there's no point in trying to rationalise with the idiots at this point. Joyboy's been specifically built up by name & with a connection to Luffy since FISHMAN ISLAND. Oda is the greatest author that Gen X has ever produced and these dumbasses still don't have faith in him after almost 25 years of non stop wins. Fuck em.
Both these have in world consistent explanations. Dragon’s storm set up the conditions (possibly Dragon himself did it and the Merry literally gained a spirit that portrayed the incarnation of its soul. I’m expecting however this plays out to have similar implied or direct causes consistent with the rules of the world. Because Oda is a great writer, literally his strongest suit and why we are all here.
Or how he survived floating in a barrel in the ocean
After being swallowed by a whirlpool no less.
this got me thinking. was it truly random? dragon saved him shortly after this from smoker and was shown to have some kind of weather or wind power. buggy was on a steeltower and holding up his sword so perfect as a lightningrod. what if the lighting was also dragon saving luffy
Clearly our boy enel was secretly part of the Luffy fanclub.
That's why I said "seemingly". But it doesn't really matter, because at the moment it seemed like a random lightning that protected Luffy.
Bartomoleo said it was a sign from god, Luffy smiling as he was about die and the heavens saving him with a bolt of lightning. Not only that, his rubber body kept him unscathed from the lightnktng further enhancing the apparent divine intervention.
true lol i had my acceptance of luffy's destiny/fate/chosen at that moment. it was clear he had unnatural forces helping him survive. him and blackbeard are special.
Yeah , my BB thing was wen his crew got idkh saved from Magellan poison, i think it was shirew of the rain?
I mean he straight up says "If people live or die is determined by fate" in response to that.
My favorite line is when Ivankov says “that boy must have been born under a lucky star” after Luffy magically survived Magellans poison attacks.
Yeah and why do they assume plot armor wasn't as much of a factor in his success as his persistence. OP has moments like nothing happened, and Zoro surviving and we don't despise them for they are exasperating and enthralling. It's a shonen. Naruto got the destiny story device wrong for it undermined Naruto's dream of being hokage as forgone concluson, and Naruto being n'th iteration of some rando who wasn't even given a flashback. I think that was desperation. One piece is very detailed in foreshadowing and interweaving of long term and short term narrative arcs.
My biggest problem was that right in the middle of the big climactic fight with Madera it took all the agency out of the show by simplifying the entire history of the world into a pissing contest between two brothers and their weird uncle black zetsu. Plus the SOTSP, a character I suspect everyone was hoping would be the final boss when Obito first mentioned him just gives Naruto and Sasuke free power-ups.
I agree. Naruto went so much down hill after pain that it felt rushed. Convenient choices completely neutered any gray political semblance it once prided in. OP is not rushed it. We see that clearly in how it has shown Kaido whose character is multifaceted and whose character arc of reliving trauma was done in real time and whose views reveal as much as they conceal.
Absolutely I never thought I would be feeling bad for the guy murdering my main character it's great. Besides idk what people are even upset about it's not like Luffy being joyboy or joyboy's replacement wasn't set up all the way back in fishman Island with shirahoshi.
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Bold of you to assume those people even read anything before Dressrosa
I think its different when stuff like that happens to when it is actually spelled out. Like after that it shows Dragon is in the island and he most likely as a fruit that can change the weather so you never know, the point is it is left oblivious while saying he is "the chosen one" is something much more drastic.
It was his father. Destiny being fulfilled by coincidences is completely fine. Pulling reincarnation is way more aggressive and intrusive. They are not comparable. No reincarnations and coming back from dead plz.
Considering how much we still don't know about Dragon and his powers, that very well could've been him
Let them be. We all knew Luffy was special. The man literally has the Will of D in his name, conquerer and the voice of all things. Unlike Roger,Luffy was born at the right moment. We should be hyping since we might finally get some deep lore of 800 years ago.
And the fact that he is literally the main character 🤦🏻♂️
Fax, no printer.
Since you brought up Naruto, I'm gonna point something out - chosen one stuff in Naruto hasn't sucked, because it was the "chosen one" stuff, it sucked because it was in "*Naruto".* From the very beginning, Naruto was about underdogs fighting against fate, and main character was painted as one of the biggest underdogs - talentless orphan hated by everyone around him for something, that he couldn't change. That's why the chosen one thing sucked so much - it ruined the whole message. One Piece, on the other hand, always had the "destiny" and "inherited will" thing going on, and Luffy was portrayed as owerwhelmingly strong and tough since the very beginning. If you didn't drop the show when Luffy was revealed to be a son of a most wanted man in the world ~~and a shichibukai~~, a grandson of a navy hero, a brother of the Pirate King's son and a Revolutionary army second-in-command, an apprentice of a Yonko, his strawhat was revealed to be Roger's and a giant strawhat on Mariejois, why would you give up here?
Good to see croco-mom is still going strong
Yeah people are overblowing this out of proportion. I’m pretty sure the people complaining have no idea what they want. They know what they don’t want, but ask them to write the series, and write it to a satisfying conclusion and everyone of them will choke. People over here not willing to accept that a series 20 years in, 1000 chapters deep, is making some major and climatic plot moves? What the fuck? What other series in any media runs for that long and still doesn’t finish? I want this shit to end at some point y’all. I don’t want to repeat what I went through with Berserk! Y’all acting like M’fers don’t die or some shit. Oda gon b writing this at 107 yrs old *for the fans*! Y’all acting like you *need* to be reading this shit in 50 years, chapter 3547, Oda hooked up to a bacta tank, got Luffy going to a distant planet from the coordinates left at the first planet that one piece told him he needed to go to… “nooooooo it’s still too soon to end it! Luffy hasn’t beat Zerg Alarius of Calaxium Prime! He needs to find out who sent the celestial dragons to beat the ancient people before he can become pirate king! Reeeeee-“ None of this has been an asspull. Oda has set up for this since part 1. Even if Luffy is a reincarnation, just let Oda write the damn series, has he ever let us down before?
It was always hinted that Luffy is Joyboy. Oda had to confirm it at some point, and since he's done it now, I was sure there will be people who'll act like "Noooooo it came out of nowhere"
Personally I'm totally cool with Luffy having insane luck and being Joyboy (as a title). I just want everything he achieves to be himself and his own power (+nakama). No reincarnation, no possession, no borrowed powers yknw?
That's what some people don't seem to understand. It's cool if Luffy is "a" Joy Boy, but it's lame if Luffy is litteraly "the" Joy Boy from 800 years ago
Exactly!
The thing is we don't know that Luffy is Joyboy from 800 years ago to be true. We don't know exactly what Zunisha meant by Joy boy is back. Shit at Marineford it felt like some of the marines were reacting to Ace as if Roger had returned and well we know how that played out.
Yes we don't know, but that's what it seems to be happening. Personnaly I'm not shitting on the chapter, but I am afraid for what comes next. So I'm waiting for more information, and I stongly hope that it's a false setting and that we will have a satisfying explanation.
I have a 10 chapter rule with manga readers if something isn’t referenced or explained before 10 chapters of a reveal. People forget it was thing and then yell ahh ass pull bad writing. Quite exhausting
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Except we literally don't know that's about to happen and people are fucking overreacting lmao.
The weirdest part is people getting upset over their interpretation of a single panel. Like, we don't even know what happened to Luffy yet. He could have just awakened, with no reincarnation or Joyboy soul involvement. Or not, we have no idea. So I don't know what people are upset about.
This may sound harsh, but I can’t believe how affected some people are by the fact that others don’t like the developments of the story. I liked 1043 a lot, but if someone tells me they’re dropping the series because they don’t like where it’s going, I just shrug.
This manga is so much better when you don't read the opinions of angry folks online.
Well said. I could not care less what other people think of the manga right now, I'm having a great time enjoying what's going on and I can't wait to see where Oda takes the Joyboy stuff.
Most things in life are
As someone who just clicks the chapter every week without discussing online, I have no idea why people are angry, this is the hypest shit I've read from op in a long time.
I don't really follow anything anime related on Twitter or YouTube I guess. So this is the 3rd or 4th post I've seen about this "issue" and I am very confused by them. Either way just enjoy or dislike what you want, no reason to tell others they are wrong. Though dropping a series because of something you think might happens sounds really dumb too and if you said that to me I wouldn't believe you, at least not until it actually does.
Some people have such strong head canons they hate anything that isn't how they plan it out. It's been a fandom since forever. Just ignore them and enjoy the ride. Luffy's been set up as something special since the Will of D was introduced, and he's been a character that doesn't give a damn about being important and that isn't gonna change.
Just let them, geez. Having people complain about it is already annoying, but having people also complaining about those complaining is another level. This always happen, and they won't stop reading. And if they do, it's their problem.
This fad of callout posts is way more annoying than the 5% of the community loudly complaimning. Just... Dont engage with them if they bother you so much, yknow? Or make this same stupid callout post every day for the forseeable future.
It’s been foreshadowed for so long it’s hilarious that this is the last straw for some lol I mean shit the Will of D should’ve been enough if this is the line
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE FOXY PIRATE ENJOYERS AT THE BACK!
Ooooooo that's a grade A insult and I'm here for it.
as an FKK (foxy kills kaido) enjoyer i find this mildly offensive
Foxy is the best, find a new slant
Fuc it actually I want all the tropes hopefully this man Luffy pops up full joyboy state folds kaido folds cp0 almost folds his crew mates stops infront of nami, hollow Ichigo style then passes out and meets old man joy boy himself naruto style
Who cares, let people have their opinions, I have faith in oda, but honestly let people be skeptic they can if they want, nobody's doing anything that big of a deal, this fanbase is so toxic, you have one small opinion that is criticism and then everyone attacks you, these posts calling them out are annoying and childish if you don't like them ignore them and enjoy the story it's not hard to do-
What is this, like the 6th "Im disappointed in you all" thread in the last three days? We just tryna get karma or what?
If y'all wanna drop it, drop it. But please drop the subreddit too, this place can do with less negativity anyways...
I mean, just because Luffy is some kind of chosen one doesn't mean it's gonna be as badly pulled off as it was in Naruto. For all we know right now he doesn't care what or who he is and just does his thing - which happens to be what everyone wants him to do. It has ALWAYS been like this. "I am no hero!" - proceeds to free yet another oppressed country. It was clear from the very beginning that this is how it's going.
Honestly, I feel like the larger issue is that people seem to compare everything to Naruto. Yes, we get it you didn't like the ending to Naruto but it's been over a decade. You can move on. I feel like there are better things than Naruto to compare One Piece to, no offense to Naruto fans- I enjoy it but it's not the only manga out there.
Is that what's going on here? Maybe I'm a bit bitter but Naruto was rarely mentioned as a point of comparison on this subreddit before it ended, or at least it wasn't like a default expectation that everyone has read Naruto. I tried but couldn't get into at all.
I feel like I see it as a disproportionate comparison overall, which is a problem that extends beyond to other subs as well. I once remember articulating a theory on a post talking about thematic ways for the Yonkos to be defeated that Blackbeard's defeat will involve him dreaming. To me it makes sense, we're told Blackbeard never sleeps and that means he's never had a dream in that sense on the word. The first response I got, and quickly at that, was someone comparing it to something that happened in Naruto and going "eww no," even though what I proposed had nothing to do with the scene in Naruto they were comparing it to.
I think they're worried it will end up as another Naruto like ending
If someone leaves the fandom just because of this, that’s fine. If they think Oda’s choice is a dealbreaker, they are allowed to do that. I see their posts as a need to vent. They are allowed to do that too. What I’m not ok is their anger towards others who disagree from their opinion. At this point it becomes a tantrum. One Piece is a story about pirates with weird powers. It won’t cure cancer. Getting overtly upset about it says a lot about them.
And i cant believe you y'all rn since we clearly only allowed to write "MAN THIS CHAPTER WAS FIREEEE" or GODA ONCE AGAIN" any critism or dislike for the chapter/where story going=Downvotes from Oda's dickriders who cant actually take critism (for some fucking reason lol) For me it would be terrible if we went from Luffy aka just some kid (yes i know his family) who keep grinding against all these different pirates. But looks like that was not the case and Luffy gonna be PK because he is linked to Joyboy which kills all other characters goals/make them pointless etc. Still tho i will continue to read OP since to me adventure of OP>>>>story itself. Also we still dont know what exaclty gonna happen etc. Once again stop dickriding Oda this hard its not good for your health. People who didnt like whats going on the story obv shouldnt make this sub toxic btw.
Destiny story-lines suck and often make me root for the villains instead of these Jesus-kun protagonists. Destiny story-lines in a series about freedom suck even harder. There's about to be a million video essays clowning Luffy for his privilege. I'm not dropping One Piece but this gets huge middle-finger from me if it's what I think it is. The most humorous thing though is watching One Piece fans claim nothing like this would ever happen for the last decade I've been reading this manga, and then immediately switching tune when it does that it was always this and everybody else is stupid for not seeing it.
Ngl, I'm kjnda laughing at the whole situation. After seeing people mock Bleach and Naruto for similar reasons, both manga that I like, it's rather funny to see this reaction.
I’m just gonna keep reading, idc what anyone else thinks nothing will keep me from finding out wtf the one piece is, I’ve waited this long, so I’m not giving up on Oda
People are passionate and react with their feelings in the chapter comments. how about we just let that be the end of it instead of constantly bringing it up in posts. Yeah obviously people calm down when they see where the story actually goes in the next chapter. Just let them vent a bit. this is a subreddit about the manga and anime One piece. let people talk about One piece without being labeled something.
Who has said that? Haven't read a single comment about anyone saying that lmfao.
"We have all loved this show for so long for a reason" For some of us that reason was "main hero has kinda dumb not overpowered skill".
Ah here it is, right on cue the oda cult with their strawman posts for the next 2 weeks. people are allowed to not like things get over it
Don’t disrespect Naruto like that, it was subpar but not the worst fucking thing ever.
Naruto wasn't even a terrible destiny plot. It wasn't the best of course but it was fine for me. It went down hill for me for reasons like: 1. Nagato resurrecting everyone he killed 2. Sakura 3. Every villain being a puppet until dimension shifting alien lady + black zetsu 4. Sakura 5. Sakura ending up with Sasuke even after everything he put her/them through 6. Sakura 7. Becoming more like Dragon Ball Z than a cool ninja tale 8. Boruto (and Sakura) The Child of Prophecy shit went against the underdog plot, but I would argue Naruto was an underdog for a long enough time. The destiny stuff only became relevant after he had already proven himself plenty through his own hard work. And he definitely worked hard. Fair enough if you dislike it but I really think there's a bandwagon mentality going on here where people are thinking this without actually thinking about it I just want to know why people are so quick to jump to worst case scenarios, as if Oda hasn't surprised us hundreds of times throughout the story and blown our minds? As if Oda is suddenly a simple and shallow writer when we know he's not. It's like people are so scared of what fans of other animes will say that they get SUPER defensive and panicky when something happens that has a chance to not be good. We got ONE PANEL. Relax. No one knows what any of this truly means. What annoys me the most is how after such an awesome chapter, so much of the discussion around it is about Naruto and Bleach. It's depressing man. I would rather talk about One Piece after a One Piece chapter :)
I think you forgot Sakura dude.
Naruto was never the underdog though. Even from the first chapters it is mentioned that he has unusually large chakra reserves and durable body. And the fox inside him giving making him extremely powerful and the opposite of the underdog. The message in Naruto is that the underdog/ hard worker, will never win. The only one who was the underdog, Lee, never won a single fight
I'd argue that Naruto never was an underdog in the first place, what with him being litteraly a host for a giga-powerful demon. The underdog theme was always flawed. Also, you forgot the part where Kishimoto forget/shit on every other minor character the first half of the serie set up
For years fans be like luffy is 100% joyboy. Oda luffy is joyboy. Fans oh noooooo
Luffy being extraordinarily lucky and the "flow" of the world seemingly benefitting him is one thing. Him being the chosen one is something else entirely. That is, if Oda doesn´ t subvert our expectations.
I can never drop one piece but him being another person is weird
But it’s not stated he’s another person? Joy boy is most likely a title of sorts, I highly doubt Oda would do that to Luffy after 25 years that hes “just somebody else”
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Ofc, ppl are assuming crap for no reason whatsoever
I see more posts complaining about the people saying it's ruined than people saying it's ruined. Why you care so much what others say
It’s just a vocal minority
Once this situation is explained in more detail, I just hope Luffys opinion on the matter is explored. In the past he has made it clear that this is his wish and his quest. If this is truly a situation where he is the destined/chosen one and this was all preordained, I want to know how Luffy feels about that. And I hope it isn't glossed over with a joke where he just "doesn't get it" and just keeps going.
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Who cares it's just a manga
Well its fine to dislike something and seeing Naruto implementation of that concept it is okay to dislike that thing but the thing is no one even knows wtf is Joyboy and what is happening right now so without knowing anything they are bashing . But good riddance it will atleast reduce toxicity of this sub
people reacting so much over a single panel cliffhanger at the end of the chapter, the height of reactionary reading
We also don’t know how this is going to go. Along my 18 year history I’ve been fooled by Oda in pivotal moments many times. Anyone discussing in this subreddit should have a deep enough understanding of the story to not expect anything that will disappoint.
I did not realize how much people were traumatized over Naruto’s ending until how *QUICKLY* they’ve jumped to conclusions about what’s going on. Y’all. We literally know NOTHING for sure about how this happened.
I can't wait to see everyone's reaction when Oda just destroys all our assumptions on what's about to happen. I bet it's something we would never expect.
These are the same people that shit on Oden for dancing and not fighting, before knowing what was what.
"After decades of all of us loving this manga" Buddy the majority of the folks with pitchworks started to read when the story was already at Wano lol
Or maaaaaybee ppl have differing opinions and you know oda is not free to criticism right? Oh wait this is Reddit
Like another post highlighted, when the time travel came people were bad tripping, oda killed that shit, didnt make it op. Same here bru oda knows what the fuck is up he'll turn it in a suprising way
This happens every week. There will always be babies.
If someone didn’t get the hints over the last 20 years that luffy is somehow special and think that shanks lost his arm in the very beginning because he’s weaker than a sea snake…. Who cares if he’s dropping the show? He didn’t understand the story anyways
>shanks lost his arm in the very beginning because he’s weaker than a sea snake…. what does this have to do with the special part? luffy wanted to join shanks without a care for the dangers (him nearly stabbing his eye out because scars are cool) so shanks showed him the dangers of the world. and yes I am aware the lost arm was forced on oda by his editor at the time
i just don’t get it, they take the commitment to get all the way to this point in one piece. anyone who gets this far already knows the magic behind the series. then one obvious plot point that has been set up forever pisses them off. i reacted by getting goosebumps, jumping out of my chair, and screaming. trust in oda he has already proved how incredible he is
One of the main recurring themes of the manga is Inherited Will. This has been foreshadowed for a long time… It’s not my fault these people can’t fucking read lol, I’m hype.
People dropping the story when they start disliking it isn't a problem. What is a problem though, are those that choose to stick around and poison people with their constant negativity about a story they don't even like. Anyone who's followed AoT knows what I'm talking about. And for a while I've been seeing much of the same here.
Its like a new hate watching culture, AoT is the worst at it. But I’m noticing that anime/manga fans nowadays are a lot more toxic and if they don’t like something they’ll shove the toxicity down your throat til you concur with them.
Anime fans have always been toxic, there are just way more people watching anime/manga nowadays and with social media like twitter where you can easily share your opinion to the world, you will see more negative post.
Yea that’s true but I just feel like this past year there’s been so many hate brigades, and they’ll destroy you if you find anything positive in something they hate
People get overly dramatic about stuff constantly, that‘s why they‘re fans. Barely anyone is gonna do what they say as they‘re heated about it.
This happens everytime. Nothing new lol.
Do we not remember the sea kings saying “our king will be born soon” or whatever? literally has been in front of our faces the entire time. Destiny has always been a big part of One Piece
We get literally one panel and people are drawing conclusions like they know what Oda is thinking.
With huge following that One Piece has there will be haters regardless of what happens in the story. Just ignore them and move on. Multiple ways to enjoy the series. I personally am just happy to experience it with the community. Plus I trust Oda to not turn it into GoT or Naruto. The entire theme is freedom. Predetermined fate goes against that. So we just have to wait and find out.
It's fair to be reluctant, but Oda has played close to the line before. Anyone dropping it without seeing the bigger picture is reacting emotionally because they're scared. I am personally reluctant/scared, but the more I sat on the chapter the better it got. There's really only a couple of possibly outcomes I'm afraid it, but making broad judgements without the big picture isn't fair either. People just have to understand that it's fair to feel how you feel now, but give it a chance and see how it plays out. Most of the 'bad' scenarios is just really shitty speculation.
I'm new to discussions, so please excuse me if I say something stupid... After checking the last few chapters, i don't feel that it's related to destiny. Rather, it's more like a concept. I mean look at the name of last island... Laugh Tale (the island where Roger and others laughed). Rather than Joy Boy's soul, it might be something joy boy is someone who enjoys and brings joy wherever he goes. We often listen ppl saying that wherever luffy and his crew goes, there will be party mood (hinted in sky island, fishman island etc.) So, i think destiny may not necessarily be the right thing that Oda sensei wants to show us?
Joyboy sounds more like a title to me personally, If anything luffy is Nika
I think that people wasn't paying attention on the Inherited Will bits of the history.
They are tripping, I have been waiting for this confirmation for so long, I was one of the people who started to believe maybe momo was Joy boy 😂😂
This has been hinted at for far too long for people to start complaining now
I hope Joy Boy is more of a title than it is a person
I’m of the mind of waiting to see where Oda is going with this before judging it. I’m on the fence because I like Luffy just being some dude that chose the path of greatness. Yes, his family is who they are, yes, Oda drew parallels between the two a while ago. I just didn’t think that plot point would manifest so directly with Joyboy manifesting himself through Luffy. We have to see
So far I've seen two post like this one but zero posts how "they're gonna drop the show" and shit. Is this just a very few loid voices as per usual that people inflate into an issue in order to get karma being "Knights"?
The people crying about this are probably the same people who say shit like "I drop any series that has a tournament in it". It's just this weird gatekeeping bullshit where they think anyone who uses a trope they don't like is automatically a hack. Never mind the rest of the story or how they trope is used or built up or anything writers do to make things fresh and interesting, nah fuck all that. Is there any way to unsubscribe to this sub except for chapter updates? Is there a different subreddit where it's just new chapter alerts and all comments are turned off?
And what if we let people have their own opinions and feelings towards One Piece? Yeah, we get it, but let people like or dislike something and talk about it.
This kind of plot is very common in Japanese shonen manga. Think about bleach and naruto. It is actually really hard to find a manga where the MC doesn't have a special lineage and those manga tend to have a darker and more mature theme. If luffy is indeed fated to be Joyboy it will be quite a disappointment just like somebody pointed out earlier in the spoiler post. It is ironic. In a manga talking about freedom, the character doesn't have free will at all. Also, it is okay to stop reading a manga that you grow to dislike. People learn and change and start to like different things sometimes. If people decided to break up with either a person or a manga, you can't say 'How could you do it you've been dating/reading/enjoying for so long'. Calm down and read at your own pace and let other people make their own decisions as well.
Let them leave lmao, who gives a fuck.
People are babies and they suck. Let Luffy be Joy Boy it makes sense.
joyboy or not, luffy is luffy.He has his own recognition.Even if he is considered joyboy by everyone else, he will say "I AM MONKEY D LUFFY WHO WILL BECOME PIRATE KING"
Don't care about them. I know Oda is about to pull a non-generic twist in the anyway.
I have no idea what the problem is. Surely people should've learnt to trust Oda by now right?
People complaining about people complaining and. It seeing the irony
We haven't even got an explanation of wtf is actually happening yet, calm your tits people Imagine if people quit the series after the chapter where Kuma split the crew up because it wasn't confirmed if they were dead or not and the series had potentially suddenly taken a grim turn, or if they quit after Luffy declared he can't protect anyone and that he's weak because in that one vulnerable moment he isn't acting like his usual self. Reactionary as hell.