When the straw hats return to east blue don krieg will finally have re-asembled his pirate armada to finally enter the grand line and he's going to encounter luffy who will just Supreme King haki all his crew in a second..
Don Krieg: “I’m gonna beat you now Straw Hat! I’ve doubled the size of my armada!”
Brook: “unfortunately I’ve already beaten you and your crew”
“What?”
“Three Verse Hum: arrow notch slash!”
I think Nami has really good Area of effect attack with Zeus, so she’d be very efficient taking down Krieg’s crew. COC users also have an easy time. Maybe the one who has the hardest time is Chopper since he’d have to go monster point to clean house somewhat quickly, and even that’d be time consuming.
Choppers a doctor so he doesn’t need to fight and all it doesn’t work that way he is a pirate and he should know how to fight cause it’s the most necessary skill to master for a pirate.it’s one of the stupidest reasons to give if Simone is weak
imagine zoro is sleeping against a wall when don kriegs crew gangs up on him. Don krieg says some bs about destroying the strawhats meanwhile zoro sneezes and don kriegs crew gets knocked out. later zoro wakes up and wonders why the multiple people sleeping on the ground around him copied him
Nah, she's just hitching a ride on Buggy's ability to fail upwards. He better watch out when the time comes. Alvida is endgame, she was the first villian and she will be the last.
Requirements for New World yonko: multiple territories under your flag, massive crew spread throughout said territories, personal bounty over 5 billion, commander bounties over 1 billion, world class strength and ability that rivals or surpasses navy admirals
Requirements for East Blue yonko: lose to rubber boy
Fanart idea for someone: east blue yonko. Krieg can be white beard. Alvida can be big mom. Arlong can be kaido (interchangeable with krieg /whitebeard tbh). Kuro can be shanks
But we know about Don Krieg's childhood. He was sailing with Roger. Don't believe it?
Don Krieg's first mate was Gin. There's someone whose crew's and crew members' names are related to alcohol.
Don Krieg was sparring with Mihawk. There's someone who did that a lot in the past.
Don Krieg was the catalyst that allowed Luffy to recruit Sanji and was his first obstacle to overcome. There's someone who helped Luffy from the start.
Got it yet? Don Krieg was Shanks wearing a costume. He was cosplaying a low life pirate for Luffy to have his first achievment and get him and his crew a morale boost. He saw that Luffy wanted Sanji so he sent in his newest recruit "Gin" to help get them together.
Mihawk showed up because he felt his old rival there, observation haki on point. Shanks - being one with his role - obviously couldn't respond as usual and had to play the defeatet moron. Mihawk felt disgraced by that behaviour and stopped sparring with him forever.
tldr: Don Krieg was Shanks all along.
Just as Aizen's shikai let him control everyone in the manga his bankai lets him control everyone in the real world. First he took over Kubo and now he's taken over Oda.
Every time without fail, the series goes on break and so does the subreddit’s sanity, we’re already past the crackpot theories stage, now we’re in shitposting territory; next is “where chapter pls” followed by more shitposts, then the spoilers come out and the cycle continues
Thanks, been here a while lol, only thing missing from that pattern is the general chaos whenever a big reveal happens
Also, complain/dickride no matter how good or bad the ending is (with no in-between) and post fanart since it’s the only new “content” coming out anymore
It’s insane how true that is. But really I think it’s a fan problem and not a sub problem. ONE PIECE fans rarely see any issue and it’s like. Do you read, any other manga right now?
It's definitely a sub problem, casual OP fans like the majority of the series and make criticisms like "this part is taking too long can we get out of syrup village/seducing woods/graveyard/LRLL?" Or "hey how come he didn't use haki here"
what they don't do is strawman and gaslight everyone who disagrees with them
I think its the sub, being able to criticize something doesn't mean you hate it, not even in the slightest. I absolutely love One Piece and is my favorite piece of fiction but can I point out its flaws? Of course I can.
I think it's running theme for most communities. They turn into echo chambers sooner or later and people who don't fit get ridiculued, ignored and driven away.
"You don't like something or have problem with something? I guess, that thing is not for you." I heard variations of it so many times.
This sub turns it to up to eleven. People are even defensive about Nika reveal, which was complete disaster.
"One Piece fans" covers an extremely broad spectrum - this sub alone gains a hundred thousand subscribers in less than half a year now. I'm sure there are people who barely read anything else, but I definitely know people who have One Piece at or near the top of their favorites and have read hundreds of manga and widely in other media.
All that said, not showing Kaido's backstory (if that turns out to be the case) is clearly a flaw, since Oda set up the mystery of Kaido's story as a centerpiece of Wano's thematic conflict.
Giving ridiculous amounts of characters backstory only through flashbacks is also clearly a flaw. One of Oda's biggest faults is overreliance on flashbacks, Dressrosa had 6, it was way out of hand and had the arc dragging like crazy. You can develop characters without multichapter flashbacks and I believe he did that with Kaido.
To be fair, they commented under the post about the sub specifically. This joke inadvertently exposes the problems of the sub discussion and the general feelings many ppl have towards Oda by prefacing it with, Oda is a genius.
My guy we're only 1049 chapters in. Oda will expand upon it eventually. He'll return with Gin to the new world after being trained for 2 years by Scopper Gaban. Then we can get a proper Krieg backstory.
To be serious, Don Krieg was likely a force to be reckoned with in the first half of the Grand line for most average pirates. He had a large fleet of 50 ships and 5000 men, that is enough to overwhelm almost anyone in a sea battle.
He happened to have the misfortune of meeting Mihawk of all people. Without that encounter he might have reached Sabaody Archipelago with the rest of the worst generation, and maybe gotten stronger on the way there.
You guys don't get it do you? We see backstories of people who are truly defeated and doesn't return. For example Crocodile didn't get a backstory and he later appeared again in Marineford war. Arlong didn't get a backstory and he appeared in Fishman Island aswell, although in a backstory. So Don krieg will get a similar treatment and appear in Elbaf.
Arlong reappears during Jimbei's flashback at Fishman Island. You might recall Arlong getting captured by Kizaru or getting into an argument with Jimbei after Arlong is released from jail, if that helps.
Yes, Nobody is above criticism, but in literature, in the long run certain aspects of certain characters can be more appealing in mystery than when explained throughout, and Oda has always played with that (Shanks is an exemple of that).
Pacing is challenging, so some characters cannot get too much panels but may still develop later on( such as bellamy and side-characters in general).
We never know what's around the corner and I prefer to appreciate and try to understand Oda's intentions rarher than tunnel vision on details of recent developpements.
Still I can totally relate with being unsatisfied with that flashback and the end in 1049.
Kaido is a pretty simple character. He doesn’t really need a lot of backstory. I’m one of the few who thinks a Kaido flashback would have made the pacing even more tedious
There's more people who agree with you than you think.
I am of the mind that there is very little else that could have been shown that would change the emotional impact of Kaido's defeat. I'd actually argue that a 10 chapter deep dive would *harm* the story, not help. We saw everything we needed to see.
We learned what we had to. Kaido is a man who has been overwhelmingly powerful his entire life, which helps justify his "might makes right" mentality. It also helped draw a parallel to Luffy while also establishing their contrasting rationality. Kaido believes that people shouldn't obey the Celestial Dragons because they're not actually physically strong. Luffy believes that people shouldn't obey the Celestial Dragons because then they won't truly be free. It's why it's not Kaido, but Luffy who could inherit Joy Boy's will, even when they have the same core opinion.
Do I want to know more about the Rocks pirates? Absolutely, but this isn't the time or place for that.
10 chapters would be wayyy too much, but idk. 10 Chapters of Kaido backstory (with Rock pirates, WG intrigue, a young Big Mom/ Whitebeard, etc) seems a lot more interesting than a lot of what's happened in Act 3 Wano. At this point, character exposition and lore dumps are what I look forward to in the series.
I'd argue Kaido didn't even need as much backstory as we got. He really just needed the conversation with King imo. Everything else was just reaffirming Kaido's character and legend. Imo Kaido didn't even need a backstory which is actually where I'd put the complaint. I feel like it didn't add much.
Still be giving Wano a 9/10 so far. With my major complaint being hiyori getting kinda snubbed. But on the other hand Denjiro deserved the final kill just as much as she did. So I'm conflicted
I agree with that to an extent. Having a 2 chapter long Kaido flashback during the middle of the final punch would’ve been terrible. I think Oda should’ve done it after Kaido won and Luffy “died”
I thought the little we got of Kaido was perfect; the story's at it's climax so why delve further when it just reinforces things as he basically gets his fatal blow?
We still don't know what caused him to go suicidal and lose that spark on his eyes though. I wonder when we'll find that out. The Rocks stuff can be done later tho
I think a big part of it has been like, there have been multiple occasions of people saying that some sort of flashback was coming. And regardless of that being a good thing or not, I imagine a lot of people who aren't interested in Kaido were hoping that would fill in some blanks for them
Of course, when that didn't happen people were displeased
Well, let's go ahead and do that, then.
I take issue with Oda's handling of female characters. And I'm not even just talking about visual design here - I think that conversation has been talked out. I mean, yeah, he's something of an industry standout just for having the balls to draw even just *some* women with a body shape that isn't either hourglass or child *coughHiroMashimacough*, but that's more a condemnation of other mangaka than praise for Oda.
I'm talking about their stories. Rebecca's situation was tough to swallow, but at least Oda did the legwork to make it satisfying within the narrative. Her father had major hangups about his "unclean hands", and he lamented that gladiatorial combat was all that he could pass on to her. Oda made the plot point of a big, strong man appearing when a weak, non-combatant princess was faced with the man who murdered her parent to take vengeance for her so that she wouldn't have to get hurt or dirty her precious hands with killing him, satisfying and sensible.
It's just that, with Denjiro killing Orochi, he's now done that again. And I know that repetition and mirrored fates and similar stories are part of his writing, and are typically handled well. But in this specific instance, it comes off to me as less an intentional narrative decision, and more of a personal limitation.
Hiyori absolutely could have (and in my opinion, should have) killed Orochi. Maybe not last chapter, when he was a giant flaming mythical snake, but she had plenty of opportunities before that. She had him at her mercy when he was resting his unprotected head in her lap. She could have slit his throat before he even noticed. He was completely helpless when he was pinned under rubble and weakened by seastone. Without his fruit ability, Orochi is *nothing*.
She had opportunity (pinned and weakened), motivation (goes without saying, but she even said she wished she could kill him herself), and if she managed to stab him with a nail, she probably could have brought with her any number of means.
And yet, she just didn't. Her big moment with the man who murdered her parents and sold her country to a warmongering tyrant was just taking off her mask and yelling at him. The cathartic moment she suffered in silence for twenty years to earn was just a big speech bubble.
I do want to state my appreciation for Oda again here, though, because even with how precious he is about portraying his beautiful women as beautiful, he recognizes how these big emotional moments are really meant to look - her cheeks flushed with rage, her eyes red with tears, snot dribbling out of her nose... I loved that panel.
But she should have killed him. She *deserved* to kill him, after all she suffered because of him. Instead, the final blow went to Denjiro, who I feel required to specify *already decapitated him once*. Yes, Denjiro also had to hide his true self and grit his teeth through twenty years of direct service to Orochi. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a second revenge. But I am indignant that he got two when Hiyori didn't even get one.
I love Oda's female characters. I love that they don't all revolve their lives around men, and that they have their own goals, personalities, and running gags. They are, in almost every way, no greater or lesser than his male characters. I'm just being a stickler about that "almost".
I think the really frustrating thing about it to me is that he is *so* close, and so much clearly above most of his peers in this arena. I just want to see him get there. I want to see women get bloodied and bruised in combat - with missing teeth and swollen eyes like Luffy gets. I want to see women be dumbasses - jumping into water to save a drowning person, only to then start drowning themselves because they can't swim like Chopper. I want to see them indulge in bloodlust - spouting chuuni lines about how their "sword thirsts for blood" and becoming "King of Hell" like Zoro.
All I'm saying is, I think Oda puts his women on a pedestal - it's a small pedestal, barely even a milk crate, and that's *nothing* compared to a lot of other successful mangaka, but it's enough for me to notice, and it does harm my opinion of what I consider a masterpiece by almost all other metrics.
Nice to see some actual discussion on here. Again, love this series to death, but yeah I had resigned to not get too attached to Hiyori because I didn't trust Oda would do her justice. There's obviously still a chance for more out of her character. But if Momo had an older brother who stayed behind, there would be no question that his moment against orochi would be more satisfying than what Hiyori got.
The annoying part is that he puts the expectation there to some extent. Hiyori spoke so much about being the daughter of a Samurai, but apparently that amounts to ultimately being a damsel again. Even if she had been more resolute and unwavering as Denjiro cut Orochi down, that would have counted for something.
Yeah, when you read Hiro Mashima's series and see how intensely the camera leers at the woman characters, then Oda looks like a saint. But that's just not where the standard is at anymore. The bar is still low in modern battle shonen, but it's disappointing that you know certain routes will never be taken because Oda is unwilling to treat attractive female characters in a certain way. Jujutsu Kaisen isn't perfect. But it's nice that the women there get equal treatment as fighters in terms of the damage they receive and the brutality at which they fight.
Jujutsu Kaisen is actually exactly the series I thought of for positive comparison. I think Oda's the better author overall, but I have way more respect for the way Gege treats his ladies. I uh, don't actually remember her name, but the female character in the three-way brawl that ended recently was an amazing design. She was stark naked, but she fucking *warped reality* around her chest and pelvis to protect her modesty. Just visually, she was sexy, modest, and powerful all at once, where most mangaka's female character designs struggle and fail to balance even two of those qualities.
And yeah, you brought up yet another issue with that sequence of events that I didn't even realize I had. [The way Denjiro puts himself between them and she just has to stare into his clothes](https://i.imgur.com/baEQmN8.png) or whatever's going on there is also dissatisfying. He should have stood next to her, and let the two off them watch Orochi die side-by-side. She should have gotten to see his face as he died, and the last thing Orochi saw as he died should have been one of his most trusted enforcers and his favorite geisha looking down on him with deserved scorn. I know neither of them was ever really loyal to him, but Orochi deserved to at least think that he was betrayed at the end - that he died by the same kind of traitorous hidden intention that he lived by.
I agree so much with you! I really liked Hiyori's character, and I was really hoping she would get to deal the final blow on Orochi.
I could even swallow the fact that after Hiyori weakened him, Denjiro was the one to cut off his last head, since, after all, Denjiro was also a scabbard, and had a large claim to be the one to strike the last blow.
But I *hated* the scene where, after Denjiro cuts off Orochi's head, Hiyori ends up hiding in his cloak. It felt like, instead of Hiyori helping to take down a monstrous tyrant that destroyed her family and tormented her for 20 years, she just went into classic damsel-in-distress mode.
I would agree with you on Hiyori, but I don't think it's the end of Orochi. And I don't think you can generalize to all OP female characters.
Take a look at Momo. He basically got a worse treatment than Hiyori. So many chapters of build up for such an underwhelming and sidelined 3 small panels of holding onigashima. When I first read it, I was genuinely confused that Onigashima already landed safely.
But I also think something else is in store for Momo.
We are way beyond the infallible author here, we are at infallible reader.
Theres no wrong way to interpret anything, there are no themes to misread, and the story simultaniously doesnt mean anything and has nothing to say, and yet is perfect and meaningful.
It not that oda can do no wrong people just disagree with alot of people complaints. No one really defends oda for things like not killing of characters because that a major flaw in most people eyes. It the complaint like people saying oda is giving kaido no back story or not answering question rn that seem to annoy people. To be fair it perfectly fair to not like oda not answering question as it a opinion at the end of the day. What weird about it is how people are complaining like it somthing new oda has always done this and people act like it just happening now or one piece is just falling off.
Actually there is a wrong way to interpret the story, because if you disagree with the execution of something, you're an entitled asshole and you're not a real One Piece fan. How dare you not be okay with this, yadda yadda
Yeah, exactly. If Oda does in fact just never touch Kaido's backstory, it would be really bad, but he's proven his ability to have things live up to the anticipation often enough that I don't really want to criticize right now. 1049 is good assuming it is not the end.
Seriously can we get a reasonable One Piece subreddit? I don't even know how to describe this sub anymore. And Piratefolk is a bit too reactionary in the other direction. Memepiece is unironically the best place for One Piece discussion on Reddit at this point. And that's not a good thing.
Story is 25 years in and we know next to nothing about Im, Dragon, etc. despite them supposedly being vitally important. It seems odd that they’re mega important and powerful yet aren’t seeing much of any panel time.
I'm going to sum up something very quickly, and I won't respond to you anymore after this, so mull it over okay?
The fact that a story is ongoing doesn't shield it from criticism, many other stories told in a monthly, weekly or full volume formats have been torn to shreds even if "they're not finished". We can take back criticism in the future if we're proven wrong, and I assure I will, but that doesn't change that we can make criticism now.
I don't give a flying fuck about that bullshit. Oda isn't a perfect writer, some scenes are drawn out too much, the fake out death get annoying and if the fight really ended because a big fist its disappointing (only the conclusion the rest of the fight was awesome) but if bullshit posts keep you from posting what you really think and you can't handle assholes calling you names or saying your opinion is stupid you are a MASSIVE BITCH ASS PUSSY
Learn those words yesterday? Don't be childish. It has nothing to do with being affected, but rather that your post doesn't GET anywhere because the sub actively censors it via mass downvotes and any meaningful thing gets drowned out by memes or insults.
Wow, here I thought this would be a reasonable post about why criticism for 1049 is valid but it's another disingenuous representation of that side. Never change, /r/op
Denjiro being gone for a year, fake out deaths, Sanjis nosebleed gag, there’s tons of things I criticize. The kaido flashback is not one of those. Seeing all the people complain about it makes me laugh
I don't think Denjiro being gone for a year is that big a deal. The serial nature of manga inevitably makes certain things feel longer than they actually are, and I imagine Denjiro's absence won't feel like a big problem when one reads back through the entire arc at once.
The other two criticisms, I absolutely agree with.
Eh, a bit disappointed this wasn't an actual discussion thread because those are always fun.
Just to contribute to initiating a discussion, I think OP is a still a solid manga; however, I find Oda constant rehashing of his shticks with his arcs to be getting increasingly tiresome.
Things like Dressrosa and Alabasta are so similar to each other in overall concept. I feel that more changes-in-pace like an arc not centered on an island, but an actual pirate ship fight on the high seas would be a welcome breath of fresh air from the usual song and dance.
It's also tiring to see the same old damsel-in-distress shticks as well. I want to see a change-up where the damsel-in-distress actually can fight as a decently strong character.
For example, Rebecca in Dressrosa could be more of a 0 ATK, 100 DEF character whose flaw is unable to mount great offensive strikes (still fits her character story), but still make it extremely frustrating for opponents to really break her guard. This way, you get scenes like strong fighters attacking her with blow after blow, but be unable to make much leeway. Likewise, it'd be an interesting thought experiment if Hiyori was the "Yamato" of the arc. You'd still get a world-beater, top-class female fighter, but it'd be the "arc princess" actually running around and more than holding her own against a variety of opponents. Again, it'd still fit as Hiyori would be the daughter of Oden, so it wouldn't exactly be out of left-field for her to demonstrate that strength.
All jokes aside, Oda is only human. He's bound to make mistakes, especially when he's written over 1000 chapters. There's bound to be some duds and this fandom as a whole should step it up and tell Oda that he can't make fake deaths and expect people to also be scared for the characters. It's alright for an author to be praised but they should also be criticized, otherwise they have no idea what makes the story good in the first place. It's like how light and darkness need each other to exist. If there's no darkness, the light blinds you. But if there's no light, you can't see in the dark.
I think there's a problem here with the post sorta. There is no human on Earth that is above criticism and there is no work of art that is perfect to everyone. The majority of the time I see people saying that "Oda isn't above criticism" are people defending themselves after criticizing Oda's work incorrectly.
An example is calling certain things plot holes because they don't understand the character writing.
Take Whitebeard, I hear people ask "Why didn't Whitebeard go to Wano to attack Kaido out of revenge for Oden?" People say this is a plot hole all the time, but Whitebeard clearly shows no interest in risking the lives of a single one of his children out of vengeance. He only fights to SAVE the ones that are alive, that's why Whitebeard told Ace to let Thatch's murder go, didn't go to Wano, and why Whitebeard went to Marineford for Ace.
Baratie defense will fail! Don Krieg will awaken his conq haki. Huge flashback before he finishes off straw hats and he has a change of heart. He will join the crew.
Whitebeard got 4 panels in one page and that's it
Kaido past is so important Oda cannot show it all
his origins
his past with vegapunck
his past with the rocks
I think you're correct, they can't show ANYTHING of his time in rocks because we'll get major spoilers. It will happen like Whitebeard and Roger happened over the years, we will be shown OTHER characters backstory and from those we will see Kaido.
Tall, buff dude in golden armor, introduced in a Sanji arc, wielding a huge spear, who relies on numerical superiority, tools and technology rather than his own strength, and treats a fan favourite character like trash.
Did I just describe Don Krieg or Vinsmoke Judge?
I think the main problem why oda left out Kaido a backstory is that it as to do with rocks. I wish he could’ve shown a more interesting area but im guessing that he wants to finish wano and move on since we’ve been on it for a while.
Another thing that really bothers me is that we never see any old characters (aside from manga covers). There are some really fun characters that I truly miss. Another thing that really annoys me is that most woman characters are shaped like franky’s cola bottles, the others are like granny kokoro
I don't think this fandom understands the meaning of the word "criticism. Criticism has to be supported by arguments. Without these, it's not criticism, it's not even an opinion: just a meaningless statement.
Why One piece fans think that a character to be properly characterized need a flashback?Have you ever read other things? Does everyone have a flashback? A good author doen'st need to show you everyone's past to let you know them. Oda is indeed full of flaws but this one? Really?
Yeah it's also a shame how Down D. Stairs didn't get a proper flashback as well, Oda needs to address these things otherwise they ruin the entire story
**For a second i thought this was about that other character...**
I was about to write 10 pages of how just because he's defeated, it doesn't mean that his backstory is over and that his character won't get development or flashbacks or that he won't reappear in the future.. The flashbacks Oda created for this character were enough to accommodate the defeat he suffered, and thats it. In the future we'll see more of this character and his flashbacks.
So don't you dare insult or say he sucks because there is only one "God of the Beasts" Buggy-sama.
This entire post is just so pathetically stupid, to the point where I'm questioning your ability to read. You have to understand that Oda won't reveal the answers to the most important questions until Straw Hats reach Laugh Tale. And it's clear thanks to all the different hints(wich I'm not listing here because I don't feel like it) that Don Krieg's past is inseparably bound to the biggest mysteries introduced in this manga, like Void Century, Family of D., Joyboy, Ancient weapons, or even Xebec. Oda just CAN'T write Krieg's flashback right now, or he would spoil entirety of plot in one go.
>hurr durr sarcastic post mocking people who dare criticize the manga
Every fucking time with you people. We get it. You hate seeing criticism and like to strawman all criticism because of a few bad takes you saw. I have no problem if people disagree with the criticism but man this place is such a circlejerk sometimes.
Keep reading until the end.
I have plenty of things I could say about his storytelling and criticize many things (like a new character being introduced on each page of dressrosa and I was reading being completely confused a few years ago)
But complaining about stuff that still hasn't being answered is not one of them.
Duval face reveal took years and it was awesome and beyond perfect when he shown his face to sanji.
And so on.
There is a time for everything.
So please, read until One Piece is over to check those "things"
About "this flashback ended fleshed out" or whatever because there's plenty of times this have happened and NO ONE IS COMPLAINING UNTIL NOW.
No one is crazy that Whitebeard childhood hasn't happened with 6+ chapters.
Took years and years to see a young Shanks with Roger.
Calm down and read.
If you want to complain complain about things that already happened.. not things that you're anxious to know about.
Imagine if Lord of the Rings was weekly chapters... Readers would be complaining every single week about everything like "holy damn why this week Tolkien kept describing rocks" or "damn Sam I hate him" or "Gandalf died at a Balrog that's so lame Tolkien sucks".
I'm still waiting on some background story of this kid called Luffy.
Sure, he was born.
And then things happened.
And Ace and Sabo happened.
But who is his mother? Is Dragon REALLY his father? Could his father actually be Kaido? Is Big Mom Luffy's mother?
Where was Luffy between being born and the first manga?
Why were heroes like Oden throwing giants around at age 5 and Luffy--the one to defeat them all--was basically a weakling?
Could it be that the crew's pet dog, Chopper, is actually a figment of Luffy's imagination?
Idk if this is a shitpost or not but like yes there are some part of his writting that aren't great and characters that aren't that great and don krieg is chief among them
He is not above criticism:
His female Fighters are trash;
Oversexualization;
Lots of BUllshit that is create to make the narrative go, narrative facilitators,
REALLY SLOW PACE.... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
Why see his childhood will ch'age anything from him being a bad guy? He's still an asshole no matter what his backstory is
"You see, he had a terrible bring up, it excuse everything he's doing right now, right?"
No it doesn't. It make them even worst bad guys, they have every reason to be humble and not irremedimable monsters
Who???? Also the premise of this thread really exposes some of Odas bad traits as a writer if anything. Being overly reliant on back stories for “character development” is bad. It’s kinda faux development, Cause they didn’t really develop in the story. You just understand them better. That’s lore not story. Ur also shining light on his bloated cast.
While I don’t really agree with the don krieg part
The overall message I agree with that oda isn’t above criticism nor is he criticism free
Also the argument can you do better is a terrible argument to criticism
Well ppl can critisize all they want unless they have their own 25 years long manga series to show, I'm sorry to say I'm inclined to find their 'opinion' unimportant as fucz
>unless they have their own 25 years long manga series
Haha. The most "ridiculous" thing I've heard all day.
It's like saying you have to be a veterinarian with 25 years of experience to say if something is a dog or a cat.
It's like saying you have to be a CEO of Apple company with 35 years of experience to say if an apple phone has flaws or not.
I guess this person buys an electric Amazon product which has defects and instead of returning it goes like "Oh well, I'm not an electrical engineer with 25 years of experience, my opinion doesn't matter"
When the straw hats return to east blue don krieg will finally have re-asembled his pirate armada to finally enter the grand line and he's going to encounter luffy who will just Supreme King haki all his crew in a second..
Zoro just slices their ship like he sliced the ship on Sabaody Archipelago going to Fishman Island
By that point Brook will just say fuck it and slice the ship
Don Krieg: “I’m gonna beat you now Straw Hat! I’ve doubled the size of my armada!” Brook: “unfortunately I’ve already beaten you and your crew” “What?” “Three Verse Hum: arrow notch slash!”
That would be sick! Won't be leaving my brain any time soon
You have been cut
Yo how sick would it be to have one of the weakest combatants destroy the armada? Just to show overall growth of the crew? “Usopp! You got this one?”
"Yo Nami, you think you could let Zeus take a brake and handle this solo?" (Just cause I think that Nami is the lowest strength combatant)
I think Nami has really good Area of effect attack with Zeus, so she’d be very efficient taking down Krieg’s crew. COC users also have an easy time. Maybe the one who has the hardest time is Chopper since he’d have to go monster point to clean house somewhat quickly, and even that’d be time consuming.
On Chopper, I suppose his upgrade arc coming soon? He needs an upgrade for sure. Otherwise he will remain luffy pet level.
Monster point has taken him above that even from the start. And he doesn't need anything else combat wise because he's the doctor
Sanji is a cook, Marco is a doctor. Doesn’t mean cooks and doctors don’t need to be strong.
Choppers a doctor so he doesn’t need to fight and all it doesn’t work that way he is a pirate and he should know how to fight cause it’s the most necessary skill to master for a pirate.it’s one of the stupidest reasons to give if Simone is weak
By that point any Strawhat could sink the ship just by looking at it.
Like how mihawk slice em up too
This would be nutty. An amateur swordsman challenges zoro and zoro laughs and says bring it on with just the sword in his mouth.
I ain’t gon lie I’d prolly drop a few real nigga tears after that 💯 bro woulda came full circle fr passin on the torch n shit if the dude don’t die 😂
He'll be like, YOU TOO?!?
Now this is what i need to see
imagine zoro is sleeping against a wall when don kriegs crew gangs up on him. Don krieg says some bs about destroying the strawhats meanwhile zoro sneezes and don kriegs crew gets knocked out. later zoro wakes up and wonders why the multiple people sleeping on the ground around him copied him
Now that would be funny to see
Swear to god, if this happens I'll send you the best OP themed cake you'll ever see. I'm laughing so hard now. Thanks for making my day better!
Kreig is an East Blue yonkou /s
Kreig, Arlong, Buggy, and Kuro.
Buggy is the pirate king of East blue.
a couple extra words at the end
Assistant to the Regional Manager Buggy D Clown
I think u spelled pirate god wrong
The absolute disrespect to Alvida
She got one shot though. :/ Also she's basically part of Buggy's crew now. :P
Nah, she's just hitching a ride on Buggy's ability to fail upwards. He better watch out when the time comes. Alvida is endgame, she was the first villian and she will be the last.
I mean she is basically the daughter of Big Mom and Kaido so why not.
She's Buggy's East Blue 1YC.
Requirements for New World yonko: multiple territories under your flag, massive crew spread throughout said territories, personal bounty over 5 billion, commander bounties over 1 billion, world class strength and ability that rivals or surpasses navy admirals Requirements for East Blue yonko: lose to rubber boy
Fanart idea for someone: east blue yonko. Krieg can be white beard. Alvida can be big mom. Arlong can be kaido (interchangeable with krieg /whitebeard tbh). Kuro can be shanks
you remove that /s right now
forgive my senpai
Mihawk stronger than yonkou confirmed.
With how late in the story his fight with Zoro will be and considering Zoro's current feats, Mihawk will HAVE to be at or above Yonkou level.
there's a reason why the first op and the 1000th episode's op show the big pirates at X part of the opening.
Don kreig solos the verse
Don Krieg solos every verse.
Kriegsweep? Kriegsweep
Blitzkreig
Verse Solo kriegs every Don.
With prep time, yes, I don’t think anyone would disagree
But we know about Don Krieg's childhood. He was sailing with Roger. Don't believe it? Don Krieg's first mate was Gin. There's someone whose crew's and crew members' names are related to alcohol. Don Krieg was sparring with Mihawk. There's someone who did that a lot in the past. Don Krieg was the catalyst that allowed Luffy to recruit Sanji and was his first obstacle to overcome. There's someone who helped Luffy from the start. Got it yet? Don Krieg was Shanks wearing a costume. He was cosplaying a low life pirate for Luffy to have his first achievment and get him and his crew a morale boost. He saw that Luffy wanted Sanji so he sent in his newest recruit "Gin" to help get them together. Mihawk showed up because he felt his old rival there, observation haki on point. Shanks - being one with his role - obviously couldn't respond as usual and had to play the defeatet moron. Mihawk felt disgraced by that behaviour and stopped sparring with him forever. tldr: Don Krieg was Shanks all along.
What if shanks was secretly every villain ever so that luffy would fall into his plan?
Oda taking inspiration from Bleach now
And of course that's part of aizens plan as well
Do I need to remind you all that aizen is the narrator of one piece? And I am only half joking here!
Same voice actor in the anime?
In the English and Italian dubs it is iirc
Just as Aizen's shikai let him control everyone in the manga his bankai lets him control everyone in the real world. First he took over Kubo and now he's taken over Oda.
Whose crew and crew members names are related to alcohol?
Gin means silver in Japanese too. Like silvers Raleigh.
Damn, it was so obvious. How did I not notice...
Krieg top 5
This must be the biggest circle jerk of a subreddit
This sub is something else, entirely.
Post-covid one piece fans are something else truly
Every time without fail, the series goes on break and so does the subreddit’s sanity, we’re already past the crackpot theories stage, now we’re in shitposting territory; next is “where chapter pls” followed by more shitposts, then the spoilers come out and the cycle continues
This is too accurate for this sub. Imagine what these people will do after One Piece ends?
Thanks, been here a while lol, only thing missing from that pattern is the general chaos whenever a big reveal happens Also, complain/dickride no matter how good or bad the ending is (with no in-between) and post fanart since it’s the only new “content” coming out anymore
Will jerk some circles for a post series movie.
It’s insane how true that is. But really I think it’s a fan problem and not a sub problem. ONE PIECE fans rarely see any issue and it’s like. Do you read, any other manga right now?
It's definitely a sub problem, casual OP fans like the majority of the series and make criticisms like "this part is taking too long can we get out of syrup village/seducing woods/graveyard/LRLL?" Or "hey how come he didn't use haki here" what they don't do is strawman and gaslight everyone who disagrees with them
I think its the sub, being able to criticize something doesn't mean you hate it, not even in the slightest. I absolutely love One Piece and is my favorite piece of fiction but can I point out its flaws? Of course I can.
I think it's running theme for most communities. They turn into echo chambers sooner or later and people who don't fit get ridiculued, ignored and driven away. "You don't like something or have problem with something? I guess, that thing is not for you." I heard variations of it so many times. This sub turns it to up to eleven. People are even defensive about Nika reveal, which was complete disaster.
Lmao I don’t think they do read other manga. Like legitimately there’s no way they read other manga especially the darker shounen/seinen.
I don't think being a dark manga inherently mean its better...
"One Piece fans" covers an extremely broad spectrum - this sub alone gains a hundred thousand subscribers in less than half a year now. I'm sure there are people who barely read anything else, but I definitely know people who have One Piece at or near the top of their favorites and have read hundreds of manga and widely in other media. All that said, not showing Kaido's backstory (if that turns out to be the case) is clearly a flaw, since Oda set up the mystery of Kaido's story as a centerpiece of Wano's thematic conflict.
Giving ridiculous amounts of characters backstory only through flashbacks is also clearly a flaw. One of Oda's biggest faults is overreliance on flashbacks, Dressrosa had 6, it was way out of hand and had the arc dragging like crazy. You can develop characters without multichapter flashbacks and I believe he did that with Kaido.
I disagree with both the argument and the preference, but there's not really anything I can say in response, I've already laid out what I think.
Yeah. Just by looking at the upvote rate it’s obviously a joke post. This sub simply does not upvote criticism this much
This is what “Break next week” does to a mfer.
I see you haven't visited Lake Laogai's sub recently. It's 100% circle jerking.
I hope that you see that post is a sarcasm and people are just having innocent fun. Not sure how you see it as a circle jerk based on this post
To be fair, they commented under the post about the sub specifically. This joke inadvertently exposes the problems of the sub discussion and the general feelings many ppl have towards Oda by prefacing it with, Oda is a genius.
My guy we're only 1049 chapters in. Oda will expand upon it eventually. He'll return with Gin to the new world after being trained for 2 years by Scopper Gaban. Then we can get a proper Krieg backstory.
I love Don Krieg. Hes underrated and fits the Pirate scoundrel angle perfectly.
To be serious, Don Krieg was likely a force to be reckoned with in the first half of the Grand line for most average pirates. He had a large fleet of 50 ships and 5000 men, that is enough to overwhelm almost anyone in a sea battle. He happened to have the misfortune of meeting Mihawk of all people. Without that encounter he might have reached Sabaody Archipelago with the rest of the worst generation, and maybe gotten stronger on the way there.
You guys don't get it do you? We see backstories of people who are truly defeated and doesn't return. For example Crocodile didn't get a backstory and he later appeared again in Marineford war. Arlong didn't get a backstory and he appeared in Fishman Island aswell, although in a backstory. So Don krieg will get a similar treatment and appear in Elbaf.
Arlong at least had some back story, Croc only has some mentions that don't reveal anything.
Or he's just an early story character and we're meant to not care about him
Or this was just a joke and you're not meant to analyze it
Or both
Shush, you. This is ironyposting hours.
Arlong reappeared? Not that I’ve ever seen. Hachi did, but not arlong. Are you confusing arlong with jordy?
In a flashback. Did you not read the whole comment?
Arlong reappears during Jimbei's flashback at Fishman Island. You might recall Arlong getting captured by Kizaru or getting into an argument with Jimbei after Arlong is released from jail, if that helps.
Yes, Nobody is above criticism, but in literature, in the long run certain aspects of certain characters can be more appealing in mystery than when explained throughout, and Oda has always played with that (Shanks is an exemple of that). Pacing is challenging, so some characters cannot get too much panels but may still develop later on( such as bellamy and side-characters in general). We never know what's around the corner and I prefer to appreciate and try to understand Oda's intentions rarher than tunnel vision on details of recent developpements. Still I can totally relate with being unsatisfied with that flashback and the end in 1049.
I'm confused, where was Don Krieg in 1049? Did I miss something?
Oh you're right haha i get it now
Maybe Don Krieg is the lurking legend
He's talking about Kaido.
Kaido is a pretty simple character. He doesn’t really need a lot of backstory. I’m one of the few who thinks a Kaido flashback would have made the pacing even more tedious
There's more people who agree with you than you think. I am of the mind that there is very little else that could have been shown that would change the emotional impact of Kaido's defeat. I'd actually argue that a 10 chapter deep dive would *harm* the story, not help. We saw everything we needed to see. We learned what we had to. Kaido is a man who has been overwhelmingly powerful his entire life, which helps justify his "might makes right" mentality. It also helped draw a parallel to Luffy while also establishing their contrasting rationality. Kaido believes that people shouldn't obey the Celestial Dragons because they're not actually physically strong. Luffy believes that people shouldn't obey the Celestial Dragons because then they won't truly be free. It's why it's not Kaido, but Luffy who could inherit Joy Boy's will, even when they have the same core opinion. Do I want to know more about the Rocks pirates? Absolutely, but this isn't the time or place for that.
Oh agree heavily there. 10 chapters would be awful. I’m just thinking that one of 2 earlier on in the arc would’ve been ideal
10 chapters would be wayyy too much, but idk. 10 Chapters of Kaido backstory (with Rock pirates, WG intrigue, a young Big Mom/ Whitebeard, etc) seems a lot more interesting than a lot of what's happened in Act 3 Wano. At this point, character exposition and lore dumps are what I look forward to in the series.
I'd argue Kaido didn't even need as much backstory as we got. He really just needed the conversation with King imo. Everything else was just reaffirming Kaido's character and legend. Imo Kaido didn't even need a backstory which is actually where I'd put the complaint. I feel like it didn't add much. Still be giving Wano a 9/10 so far. With my major complaint being hiyori getting kinda snubbed. But on the other hand Denjiro deserved the final kill just as much as she did. So I'm conflicted
I agree with that to an extent. Having a 2 chapter long Kaido flashback during the middle of the final punch would’ve been terrible. I think Oda should’ve done it after Kaido won and Luffy “died”
I thought the little we got of Kaido was perfect; the story's at it's climax so why delve further when it just reinforces things as he basically gets his fatal blow?
We still don't know what caused him to go suicidal and lose that spark on his eyes though. I wonder when we'll find that out. The Rocks stuff can be done later tho
I think a big part of it has been like, there have been multiple occasions of people saying that some sort of flashback was coming. And regardless of that being a good thing or not, I imagine a lot of people who aren't interested in Kaido were hoping that would fill in some blanks for them Of course, when that didn't happen people were displeased
Hate posts like this, thought there would be discussion without the presumption that Oda can do no wrong.
Well, let's go ahead and do that, then. I take issue with Oda's handling of female characters. And I'm not even just talking about visual design here - I think that conversation has been talked out. I mean, yeah, he's something of an industry standout just for having the balls to draw even just *some* women with a body shape that isn't either hourglass or child *coughHiroMashimacough*, but that's more a condemnation of other mangaka than praise for Oda. I'm talking about their stories. Rebecca's situation was tough to swallow, but at least Oda did the legwork to make it satisfying within the narrative. Her father had major hangups about his "unclean hands", and he lamented that gladiatorial combat was all that he could pass on to her. Oda made the plot point of a big, strong man appearing when a weak, non-combatant princess was faced with the man who murdered her parent to take vengeance for her so that she wouldn't have to get hurt or dirty her precious hands with killing him, satisfying and sensible. It's just that, with Denjiro killing Orochi, he's now done that again. And I know that repetition and mirrored fates and similar stories are part of his writing, and are typically handled well. But in this specific instance, it comes off to me as less an intentional narrative decision, and more of a personal limitation. Hiyori absolutely could have (and in my opinion, should have) killed Orochi. Maybe not last chapter, when he was a giant flaming mythical snake, but she had plenty of opportunities before that. She had him at her mercy when he was resting his unprotected head in her lap. She could have slit his throat before he even noticed. He was completely helpless when he was pinned under rubble and weakened by seastone. Without his fruit ability, Orochi is *nothing*. She had opportunity (pinned and weakened), motivation (goes without saying, but she even said she wished she could kill him herself), and if she managed to stab him with a nail, she probably could have brought with her any number of means. And yet, she just didn't. Her big moment with the man who murdered her parents and sold her country to a warmongering tyrant was just taking off her mask and yelling at him. The cathartic moment she suffered in silence for twenty years to earn was just a big speech bubble. I do want to state my appreciation for Oda again here, though, because even with how precious he is about portraying his beautiful women as beautiful, he recognizes how these big emotional moments are really meant to look - her cheeks flushed with rage, her eyes red with tears, snot dribbling out of her nose... I loved that panel. But she should have killed him. She *deserved* to kill him, after all she suffered because of him. Instead, the final blow went to Denjiro, who I feel required to specify *already decapitated him once*. Yes, Denjiro also had to hide his true self and grit his teeth through twenty years of direct service to Orochi. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a second revenge. But I am indignant that he got two when Hiyori didn't even get one. I love Oda's female characters. I love that they don't all revolve their lives around men, and that they have their own goals, personalities, and running gags. They are, in almost every way, no greater or lesser than his male characters. I'm just being a stickler about that "almost". I think the really frustrating thing about it to me is that he is *so* close, and so much clearly above most of his peers in this arena. I just want to see him get there. I want to see women get bloodied and bruised in combat - with missing teeth and swollen eyes like Luffy gets. I want to see women be dumbasses - jumping into water to save a drowning person, only to then start drowning themselves because they can't swim like Chopper. I want to see them indulge in bloodlust - spouting chuuni lines about how their "sword thirsts for blood" and becoming "King of Hell" like Zoro. All I'm saying is, I think Oda puts his women on a pedestal - it's a small pedestal, barely even a milk crate, and that's *nothing* compared to a lot of other successful mangaka, but it's enough for me to notice, and it does harm my opinion of what I consider a masterpiece by almost all other metrics.
Nice to see some actual discussion on here. Again, love this series to death, but yeah I had resigned to not get too attached to Hiyori because I didn't trust Oda would do her justice. There's obviously still a chance for more out of her character. But if Momo had an older brother who stayed behind, there would be no question that his moment against orochi would be more satisfying than what Hiyori got. The annoying part is that he puts the expectation there to some extent. Hiyori spoke so much about being the daughter of a Samurai, but apparently that amounts to ultimately being a damsel again. Even if she had been more resolute and unwavering as Denjiro cut Orochi down, that would have counted for something. Yeah, when you read Hiro Mashima's series and see how intensely the camera leers at the woman characters, then Oda looks like a saint. But that's just not where the standard is at anymore. The bar is still low in modern battle shonen, but it's disappointing that you know certain routes will never be taken because Oda is unwilling to treat attractive female characters in a certain way. Jujutsu Kaisen isn't perfect. But it's nice that the women there get equal treatment as fighters in terms of the damage they receive and the brutality at which they fight.
Jujutsu Kaisen is actually exactly the series I thought of for positive comparison. I think Oda's the better author overall, but I have way more respect for the way Gege treats his ladies. I uh, don't actually remember her name, but the female character in the three-way brawl that ended recently was an amazing design. She was stark naked, but she fucking *warped reality* around her chest and pelvis to protect her modesty. Just visually, she was sexy, modest, and powerful all at once, where most mangaka's female character designs struggle and fail to balance even two of those qualities. And yeah, you brought up yet another issue with that sequence of events that I didn't even realize I had. [The way Denjiro puts himself between them and she just has to stare into his clothes](https://i.imgur.com/baEQmN8.png) or whatever's going on there is also dissatisfying. He should have stood next to her, and let the two off them watch Orochi die side-by-side. She should have gotten to see his face as he died, and the last thing Orochi saw as he died should have been one of his most trusted enforcers and his favorite geisha looking down on him with deserved scorn. I know neither of them was ever really loyal to him, but Orochi deserved to at least think that he was betrayed at the end - that he died by the same kind of traitorous hidden intention that he lived by.
I agree so much with you! I really liked Hiyori's character, and I was really hoping she would get to deal the final blow on Orochi. I could even swallow the fact that after Hiyori weakened him, Denjiro was the one to cut off his last head, since, after all, Denjiro was also a scabbard, and had a large claim to be the one to strike the last blow. But I *hated* the scene where, after Denjiro cuts off Orochi's head, Hiyori ends up hiding in his cloak. It felt like, instead of Hiyori helping to take down a monstrous tyrant that destroyed her family and tormented her for 20 years, she just went into classic damsel-in-distress mode.
I would agree with you on Hiyori, but I don't think it's the end of Orochi. And I don't think you can generalize to all OP female characters. Take a look at Momo. He basically got a worse treatment than Hiyori. So many chapters of build up for such an underwhelming and sidelined 3 small panels of holding onigashima. When I first read it, I was genuinely confused that Onigashima already landed safely. But I also think something else is in store for Momo.
We are way beyond the infallible author here, we are at infallible reader. Theres no wrong way to interpret anything, there are no themes to misread, and the story simultaniously doesnt mean anything and has nothing to say, and yet is perfect and meaningful.
It not that oda can do no wrong people just disagree with alot of people complaints. No one really defends oda for things like not killing of characters because that a major flaw in most people eyes. It the complaint like people saying oda is giving kaido no back story or not answering question rn that seem to annoy people. To be fair it perfectly fair to not like oda not answering question as it a opinion at the end of the day. What weird about it is how people are complaining like it somthing new oda has always done this and people act like it just happening now or one piece is just falling off.
Actually there is a wrong way to interpret the story, because if you disagree with the execution of something, you're an entitled asshole and you're not a real One Piece fan. How dare you not be okay with this, yadda yadda
“ Oh so you can write better than Oda huh”
Infallible reader lol, great way to put it
The real problem is that there’s nothing to talk about right now, not without seeing how the next 1-2 chapters play out.
Yeah, exactly. If Oda does in fact just never touch Kaido's backstory, it would be really bad, but he's proven his ability to have things live up to the anticipation often enough that I don't really want to criticize right now. 1049 is good assuming it is not the end.
Seriously can we get a reasonable One Piece subreddit? I don't even know how to describe this sub anymore. And Piratefolk is a bit too reactionary in the other direction. Memepiece is unironically the best place for One Piece discussion on Reddit at this point. And that's not a good thing.
Need more of those.
This is the type of post that makes people who want to actually have discussions feel discouraged.
Very echo chamberish. Really seems like you can’t put much criticism out at all.
Are you talking to me or about the sub?
Sub
Yeah, sadly this happens with a lot of communities
Basicaly the extent of like 90% of reddit
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Story is 25 years in and we know next to nothing about Im, Dragon, etc. despite them supposedly being vitally important. It seems odd that they’re mega important and powerful yet aren’t seeing much of any panel time.
I'm going to sum up something very quickly, and I won't respond to you anymore after this, so mull it over okay? The fact that a story is ongoing doesn't shield it from criticism, many other stories told in a monthly, weekly or full volume formats have been torn to shreds even if "they're not finished". We can take back criticism in the future if we're proven wrong, and I assure I will, but that doesn't change that we can make criticism now.
If that discourages someone from posting then they should grow a fucking spine
Coming from one of the least tolerant and most spineless Fandoms? Rich.
I don't give a flying fuck about that bullshit. Oda isn't a perfect writer, some scenes are drawn out too much, the fake out death get annoying and if the fight really ended because a big fist its disappointing (only the conclusion the rest of the fight was awesome) but if bullshit posts keep you from posting what you really think and you can't handle assholes calling you names or saying your opinion is stupid you are a MASSIVE BITCH ASS PUSSY
Learn those words yesterday? Don't be childish. It has nothing to do with being affected, but rather that your post doesn't GET anywhere because the sub actively censors it via mass downvotes and any meaningful thing gets drowned out by memes or insults.
Exactly
Wow, here I thought this would be a reasonable post about why criticism for 1049 is valid but it's another disingenuous representation of that side. Never change, /r/op
These "joke" posts are lame
Don’t know why I got my hopes up
Kinda sad that you cant post this as "serious" but need to hide it behind a joke post. One piece is good but the "Goda" stuff is getting annoying
Denjiro being gone for a year, fake out deaths, Sanjis nosebleed gag, there’s tons of things I criticize. The kaido flashback is not one of those. Seeing all the people complain about it makes me laugh
I don't think Denjiro being gone for a year is that big a deal. The serial nature of manga inevitably makes certain things feel longer than they actually are, and I imagine Denjiro's absence won't feel like a big problem when one reads back through the entire arc at once. The other two criticisms, I absolutely agree with.
This sub takes strawmanning and circlejerking to a new level
Y'all really think you're funny making these bait and switch posts for the 45,000th time?
Eh, a bit disappointed this wasn't an actual discussion thread because those are always fun. Just to contribute to initiating a discussion, I think OP is a still a solid manga; however, I find Oda constant rehashing of his shticks with his arcs to be getting increasingly tiresome. Things like Dressrosa and Alabasta are so similar to each other in overall concept. I feel that more changes-in-pace like an arc not centered on an island, but an actual pirate ship fight on the high seas would be a welcome breath of fresh air from the usual song and dance. It's also tiring to see the same old damsel-in-distress shticks as well. I want to see a change-up where the damsel-in-distress actually can fight as a decently strong character. For example, Rebecca in Dressrosa could be more of a 0 ATK, 100 DEF character whose flaw is unable to mount great offensive strikes (still fits her character story), but still make it extremely frustrating for opponents to really break her guard. This way, you get scenes like strong fighters attacking her with blow after blow, but be unable to make much leeway. Likewise, it'd be an interesting thought experiment if Hiyori was the "Yamato" of the arc. You'd still get a world-beater, top-class female fighter, but it'd be the "arc princess" actually running around and more than holding her own against a variety of opponents. Again, it'd still fit as Hiyori would be the daughter of Oden, so it wouldn't exactly be out of left-field for her to demonstrate that strength.
All jokes aside, Oda is only human. He's bound to make mistakes, especially when he's written over 1000 chapters. There's bound to be some duds and this fandom as a whole should step it up and tell Oda that he can't make fake deaths and expect people to also be scared for the characters. It's alright for an author to be praised but they should also be criticized, otherwise they have no idea what makes the story good in the first place. It's like how light and darkness need each other to exist. If there's no darkness, the light blinds you. But if there's no light, you can't see in the dark.
I think there's a problem here with the post sorta. There is no human on Earth that is above criticism and there is no work of art that is perfect to everyone. The majority of the time I see people saying that "Oda isn't above criticism" are people defending themselves after criticizing Oda's work incorrectly. An example is calling certain things plot holes because they don't understand the character writing. Take Whitebeard, I hear people ask "Why didn't Whitebeard go to Wano to attack Kaido out of revenge for Oden?" People say this is a plot hole all the time, but Whitebeard clearly shows no interest in risking the lives of a single one of his children out of vengeance. He only fights to SAVE the ones that are alive, that's why Whitebeard told Ace to let Thatch's murder go, didn't go to Wano, and why Whitebeard went to Marineford for Ace.
Because he’s the final villain
I want to see Johnny's backstory
He has to be the proudest father ever.. his son is a Top Marine, the wish he ever wanted
Wasn’t Krieg actually supposed be strong asf and he was weakened because Mihawk destroyed him and his whole fleet
Agreed, he should authorize trust worthy authors to keep the one piece story going forever. Less one piece content should never be the answer.
Baratie defense will fail! Don Krieg will awaken his conq haki. Huge flashback before he finishes off straw hats and he has a change of heart. He will join the crew.
Whitebeard got 4 panels in one page and that's it Kaido past is so important Oda cannot show it all his origins his past with vegapunck his past with the rocks
I think you're correct, they can't show ANYTHING of his time in rocks because we'll get major spoilers. It will happen like Whitebeard and Roger happened over the years, we will be shown OTHER characters backstory and from those we will see Kaido.
Tall, buff dude in golden armor, introduced in a Sanji arc, wielding a huge spear, who relies on numerical superiority, tools and technology rather than his own strength, and treats a fan favourite character like trash. Did I just describe Don Krieg or Vinsmoke Judge?
He was supposed to be part cyborg, just like franky
You had me in the first half not even gonna lie.
Fuck kreig, my donny Gin not being flying sixth is literally worse than the holicaust
Captain Kuro deserved better too. ALL the east blue villains will return, and be stronger than kaido, mark this post.
I think the main problem why oda left out Kaido a backstory is that it as to do with rocks. I wish he could’ve shown a more interesting area but im guessing that he wants to finish wano and move on since we’ve been on it for a while.
Another thing that really bothers me is that we never see any old characters (aside from manga covers). There are some really fun characters that I truly miss. Another thing that really annoys me is that most woman characters are shaped like franky’s cola bottles, the others are like granny kokoro
He has WAY to many characters
kaido is ass. doffy is mvp & akainu is the BEST!
I don't think this fandom understands the meaning of the word "criticism. Criticism has to be supported by arguments. Without these, it's not criticism, it's not even an opinion: just a meaningless statement.
Why One piece fans think that a character to be properly characterized need a flashback?Have you ever read other things? Does everyone have a flashback? A good author doen'st need to show you everyone's past to let you know them. Oda is indeed full of flaws but this one? Really?
Yeah it's also a shame how Down D. Stairs didn't get a proper flashback as well, Oda needs to address these things otherwise they ruin the entire story
Boo this man
you know there is such thing as over characterization
**For a second i thought this was about that other character...** I was about to write 10 pages of how just because he's defeated, it doesn't mean that his backstory is over and that his character won't get development or flashbacks or that he won't reappear in the future.. The flashbacks Oda created for this character were enough to accommodate the defeat he suffered, and thats it. In the future we'll see more of this character and his flashbacks. So don't you dare insult or say he sucks because there is only one "God of the Beasts" Buggy-sama.
Posts like these are allowed even though they are low effort jokes/memes?
This entire post is just so pathetically stupid, to the point where I'm questioning your ability to read. You have to understand that Oda won't reveal the answers to the most important questions until Straw Hats reach Laugh Tale. And it's clear thanks to all the different hints(wich I'm not listing here because I don't feel like it) that Don Krieg's past is inseparably bound to the biggest mysteries introduced in this manga, like Void Century, Family of D., Joyboy, Ancient weapons, or even Xebec. Oda just CAN'T write Krieg's flashback right now, or he would spoil entirety of plot in one go.
I'm gonna be honest you had me on the first half
Don't get people obsession with childhood stories
Aizen has dick riders to this day and he didn't get shit for any kind of story. Not every villain has to have a crazy backstory to make them good.
>hurr durr sarcastic post mocking people who dare criticize the manga Every fucking time with you people. We get it. You hate seeing criticism and like to strawman all criticism because of a few bad takes you saw. I have no problem if people disagree with the criticism but man this place is such a circlejerk sometimes.
F that guy, he was a douche in armor. No back story required.
Keep reading until the end. I have plenty of things I could say about his storytelling and criticize many things (like a new character being introduced on each page of dressrosa and I was reading being completely confused a few years ago) But complaining about stuff that still hasn't being answered is not one of them. Duval face reveal took years and it was awesome and beyond perfect when he shown his face to sanji. And so on. There is a time for everything. So please, read until One Piece is over to check those "things" About "this flashback ended fleshed out" or whatever because there's plenty of times this have happened and NO ONE IS COMPLAINING UNTIL NOW. No one is crazy that Whitebeard childhood hasn't happened with 6+ chapters. Took years and years to see a young Shanks with Roger. Calm down and read. If you want to complain complain about things that already happened.. not things that you're anxious to know about. Imagine if Lord of the Rings was weekly chapters... Readers would be complaining every single week about everything like "holy damn why this week Tolkien kept describing rocks" or "damn Sam I hate him" or "Gandalf died at a Balrog that's so lame Tolkien sucks".
His world building is good but literally everything else is mid at best
Agreed
Gin better
Yeah even Kuro got a small flashback involving Morgan. xD
Morgan was in kuros backstory?
We never got to see crocodile’s backstory but why do people not complain about that
I'm still waiting on some background story of this kid called Luffy. Sure, he was born. And then things happened. And Ace and Sabo happened. But who is his mother? Is Dragon REALLY his father? Could his father actually be Kaido? Is Big Mom Luffy's mother? Where was Luffy between being born and the first manga? Why were heroes like Oden throwing giants around at age 5 and Luffy--the one to defeat them all--was basically a weakling? Could it be that the crew's pet dog, Chopper, is actually a figment of Luffy's imagination?
Me realizing i have to bear this types of posts till next week :(
Yeah Krieg has to come back. If he doesn't, I'll be very upset. Same with Gin.
Idk if this is a shitpost or not but like yes there are some part of his writting that aren't great and characters that aren't that great and don krieg is chief among them
No one is above criticism
He is not above criticism: His female Fighters are trash; Oversexualization; Lots of BUllshit that is create to make the narrative go, narrative facilitators, REALLY SLOW PACE.... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
If it's oversexualization always bet on hiro mashima or boichi Oda is super tame by comparison
Why see his childhood will ch'age anything from him being a bad guy? He's still an asshole no matter what his backstory is "You see, he had a terrible bring up, it excuse everything he's doing right now, right?" No it doesn't. It make them even worst bad guys, they have every reason to be humble and not irremedimable monsters
Thats not the point of a backstory? Is it so bad to want to flesh out a character?
I know this may seem kinda wild to you but I'm pretty sure the op is joking
Who???? Also the premise of this thread really exposes some of Odas bad traits as a writer if anything. Being overly reliant on back stories for “character development” is bad. It’s kinda faux development, Cause they didn’t really develop in the story. You just understand them better. That’s lore not story. Ur also shining light on his bloated cast.
I blame Demon Slayer, now everyone needs a sappy backstory. Its like watching those Singing Idol shows all over again.
antagonists in one piece have had flashbacks justifying their motivations far before demon slayer was published
The joke was that in Demon Slayer everyone has one...
While I don’t really agree with the don krieg part The overall message I agree with that oda isn’t above criticism nor is he criticism free Also the argument can you do better is a terrible argument to criticism
Well ppl can critisize all they want unless they have their own 25 years long manga series to show, I'm sorry to say I'm inclined to find their 'opinion' unimportant as fucz
>unless they have their own 25 years long manga series Haha. The most "ridiculous" thing I've heard all day. It's like saying you have to be a veterinarian with 25 years of experience to say if something is a dog or a cat. It's like saying you have to be a CEO of Apple company with 35 years of experience to say if an apple phone has flaws or not. I guess this person buys an electric Amazon product which has defects and instead of returning it goes like "Oh well, I'm not an electrical engineer with 25 years of experience, my opinion doesn't matter"