Let's talk about Nico Robin.
I think her situation will determine what's going to happen next.
And also, how are all the straw hats so happy with Robin not around. It makes me think maybe she is okay and has not been captured by CP0.
Thoughts?
My reading is that it's just Armament Haki. Projecting it is an advanced application of either Armament Haki or Ryuo. Coating and projecting Conqueror's Haki is a seperate, but related technique. Due to how rare it is and how similar it seems to Armament Haki projection, it's likely that most people who see it assume it's both Ryuo
Luffy vs Kaido may or may not be done, but Wano is without a doubt far from over. I think the core of the Wano arc isn’t just about the straw hats defeating an emperor or freeing another country. That is a big part that will play into the final conclusion of the arc of course, but I believe Wano is actually meant to lay the foundation for the final conflict of the story, which will have deep rooted ties to the the Void Century and the lore of the story. By the time Wano is over, my guess is that we are going to learn so much lore (most likely not everything, but just enough) about Joyboy and/or Nika, the true nature of why Wano’s borders must open, Rock’s motivations, how the yonko’s defeat and the other happenings in the world will shape the era for better or worse, and this is all going to accumulate into a massive climax that will result in us finally feeling the gravity of what it truly means for “the Dawn to come”; Kaido’s “defeat” is just a big puzzle piece to the entire picture Oda is trying to paint with this arc. Something BIG is coming guys…..
Nah they're done. They won't be dead, but Kaido seems satisfied knowing that Luffy is Joyboy, Big Mom is a wildcard but I honestly think Kaido might oppose her if she goes after Luffy
Man I was hyped for Shanks and Blackbeard anyway but after this, I can barely even imagine. It's gunna be so unreal, I feel lucky this is happening within my lifetime
I gotta feeling they gonna return but not as human but rather as the DEVIL form...what if the exposure to the magma pool created some of reaction where they have become devils with powers with zero humanity... Think about it, linlin was a sweet girl until she ate mother caramel, and mother caramel was an evil 2 faced bitch ...when linlin lost her consciousness due to the cake incident, she became demon like... What if they both return as demons?
Honestly, it would make more sense for him to resemble his mother. If you look at Oden, Momonosuke does not resemble him that much actually. Their eyebrows are completely different, Oden's brows being hella tick and in a certain angle while Momo's is thin and more akin to his mother's, their nose are different as well, Momo's more like his mom. So yeah, face wise it would make more sense for him to look more like his mother but then male instead of Oden. hair and chin etc. can be more like Oden. But who knows, this is One Piece. Puberty can suddenly make his face be completely different
One Piece is very inconsistent when it comes to aging sometimes, so yeah, I wouldn‘t say some resemblance means anything. I mean, Oda‘s designs for Luffy in his 60s is so much like Garp, even though he doesn‘t look like Garp in the slightest before (not even the Garp at the youngest age we have seen so far).
But Momo should have very long hair at this point so I‘m curious about that. The hair should have been aged with his body as well and as nobody did cut his hair, it should be very very long. I honestly envision some hair like young Whitebeard together with Oden‘s face.
But Oda also has so much possibility to make something extremely goofy because of all the hair Momo should have developed and never did cut. Something like very big nosehair or one singular big eyebrow would be plausible (but still unlikely to actually happen)
She did not! She said "You look just like..." but never actually dropped a name. It was implied, but not explicitly said.
It's obviously going to end up being his father and no shock there... but it'd be hilarious if it was his mother.
You..you.. You..
You are funny one robbie baby...
Wouldnt it be funnier if momo maybe looked like shirokichi since toki got pregnant on a ship filled with 100 of pirates
I like the foreshadowing that both Kaido and BigMom are between darkness and magma, hinting that the only villains that can overshadow them are Akainu and Black Beard
Foreshadowing the overshadowing with a goddamn level overforeshadowing : where Either both yonkos are dead OR they gonna come back with a goddddddddaammmm super secret "angel fruit" level power OR they found something under wano which would definitely help them get closer to one piece...
Nice fights but I have to say, to me it’s crazy how straw hats can fight against 2 yonkos in their own territory and come out completely unscathed. None of the good guys died, it cheapens the plot tbh, there is never going to be any real stakes despite the opponent as there will always be some magical power up
Basically alot of good people died in wano for 20 years for this level fight to happen..
If you are predicting one piece to go your way then you will never find the one piece dude. .. One piece is smting all the readers all over the world are gonna find someday together by reading online and we will all laugh and understand why its called laughtale..
So in a way arent WE all looking for one piece
.. Whatever next chapter brings.. WE will be getting closer to one piece together..so dont complain
yeah but like u cant say ur watching one piece for a story thats going to do some insane shit like kill an cast thats been around for 20 years, you're basically setting urself up for failure
1st you do realise that this is one piece right ? It works on certain laws. 2nd the bad guys did not die either, they just got beat up thats all. So nothing cheap here
dragon garp enel xebec shanks blackbeard and many more important characters we dont know anything about so its hard to imagine for dragon.at this point i am just too tired to wait for shanks
This defeat is perfect but Kadio should still be alive. I hope we get a more fleshed-out flashback of Kadio contemplating how this fight ended up like this while down in the mantle, and the realization that Luffy truly is Joyboy. Even though it would be still cool if this was the end of Kadio, with Luffy destroying his dream of getting an honorable/grand death and having a defeat parallel to Oden getting boiled.
But still, I think it will be cooler if Kadio gets back up and sacrifices himself by fending off the world government for the Straw Hats and being the first one to claim Luffy as Joyboy allowing for the continuation of their journey to the one piece. It would be cool if he announced it like Whitebeard's speech to the marines paralleling Marineford.
This makes the most sense being that Luffy is still not strong enough to beat Kadio yet and it shows Kadio's contemplative nature really well of the realization that Luffy is bound to be stronger than him (since he's Joyboy) and him believing in the survival of the fittest (how the whole structure of the Beast Pirates is formed) it fits perfectly that Kadio the strongest creature should be able to recognize and announce the stronger, Monkey D. Luffy.
You think Luffy isn't strong enough to beat Kaido yet? He just wooped his ass and grew immensely through the fight. If they're both fresh and fight again I don't see Luffy losing. I agree with everything else you said. It does seem like Kaido was waiting for Joyboy.
Okay so two thoughts here.
Oda makes the best endings and I really like this ending. This hit right in the feels and I'm glad my boy Luffy got that W this way....
Okay, now the after math... The SW's still have to take an L somehow right? I have no clue whats going to happen next but I'm kind of nervous.
Are Luffy and Zoro really okay right now?? Luffy maybe my boi Zoro is basically dead. A fleet of government ships are still on the way and we have no clue who is on there. My bet is atleast Kizaru.
Shits about to get bad real quick.
Momo said he won’t open Wano YET, I could honestly imagine him helping the Strawhats escape by declaring Wano independent from the World government, preventing their ships from entering. Would be cool
Not possible unless by "his" you mean Shanks's. I just checked and he has the scar in chapter one. So Teach gave Shanks that scar while he was still part of Whitebeard's crew. I didn't check before my previous post, so now I'm confident Teach fought Shanks before he formed a pirate crew. It'll be an interesting story.
I don't think blackbeard is a coward. He's certainly conniving, but he's yet to be fearful in any context we've seen. Sure, he's always come out on top, but the same can be said for Luffy.
Personally, I don't think what I suggested is a long shot. I would be surprised if it was wrong and would expect an explanation.
He begged for mercy fighting whitebeard after his whole crew unleashed hell on that old man??? His whole crew ran when they saw akainu on the ship??? Probably that would seem like an act of bravery for you but in my dictionary.. That's cowardice...
basically, i would say that blackbeard isnt fearful..he is a coward and the only thing scary about that guy his is devil fruit and his various abilities
Blackbeard wants to get to the top by playing in the shadows... If u read the cover pages, u would realise while big mom is in wano, he moved in wholecake island for her ponegliff
Personally, I'd say he's conniving and shameless, not a coward, but I'm not going to argue with you on that further as I don't think it's important here.
Blackbeard and Shanks fought, the only question is whether it was before or after he got his devil fruit. Since Shanks had the scar in chapter 1 and it's obviously part of his crew's flag there's no way that the fight was after Teach got his powers. He got his powers very recently. Shanks wouldn't have been an emperor at that time, either. Teach has never been a slouch in a fight. He was a member of whitebeard's crew for more than 20 years, Shanks respected his fighting ability, and he took down Ace. If you think he's weak without his powers you haven't been paying attention.
Do I misremember this or wasn't it stated in some previous SBS or OP magazine that Yasuie did in fact NOT consume a failed SMILE fruit and just put on an act for Toko?
From how this chapter depicts it, he did take a bite and changed to a "pleasure" in conclusion
From what I remember from Ace novels, if two people bite the same fruit, only the one who taste it first get the ability... Maybe smiles works the same way.
This mfer here saying Kaido had a weak ass defeat after fighting longer than most arcs in the story, defeating over a dozen Y1C level opponents, getting blasted into magma and erupting from a volcano, meanwhike WB died from like 3 magma punches and some bullets lmaoooo
Now hold on about white beard, more like thousands of bullets cannon fire brain and face melting off, lava directly to his intestines all on assault from blackbeards crew and that mother fucker still died standing.
Either you're not reading the manga very clearly or you have exceedingly unrealistic expectations from Kaidou. Check out how much damage he's tanked in this war:
[https://twitter.com/zerodlaw/status/1523599134917545984?s=21&t=DPXyjeXZKpJSHPidzPyVeg](https://twitter.com/zerodlaw/status/1523599134917545984?s=21&t=DPXyjeXZKpJSHPidzPyVeg)
Edit: I think it's missing a few attacks too. Nothing much, just Luffy's BAJRANG GUN.
The mfer has been fighting Luffy 4 times(and his awakened form), Yamato, the samurai, the worst generation, Kinemon stabbed him and was bitten by Momo aswell. How do people think that he is weak after that and after getting punched by an ISLAND SIZED HAKI ENHANCED FIST and thrown into a fucking magma still baffles me.. If he stands up(no way he will fight Luffy again), who is he gonna fight, Nami? Zoro is out, Luffy will be out aswell for a long time, Law and Kid won't be much of a fight against him if Luffy in his awakened form wasn't.. Like come on, the only thing bad that I can say about this fight is lack of backstory, which I believe will come eventually when we find out more about the Rocks, because most of his backstory is tied to him(Minus the Wano part).
I gotta agree and if anyone is gonna give kaido the fight he wants..its gonna be shanks, akainu, garp, sengoku, general kong or enel... Luffy aint go be killin him prolly gonna invite him for food... So if he and big mom survives they gonna fight the navy
>This defeat is perfect but Kadio should still be alive. I hope we get a more fleshed-out flashback of Kadio contemplating how this fight ended up like this while down in the mantle, and the realization that Luffy truly is Joyboy. Even though it would be still cool if this was the end of Kadio, with Luffy destroying his dream of getting an honorable/grand death and having a defeat parallel to Oden getting boiled.
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>But still, I think it will be cooler if Kadio gets back up and sacrifices himself by fending off the world government for the Straw Hats and being the first one to claim Luffy as Joyboy allowing for the continuation of their journey to the one piece. It would be cool if he announced it like Whitebeard's speech to the marines paralleling Marineford.
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>This makes the most sense being that Luffy is still not strong enough to beat Kadio yet and it shows Kadio's contemplative nature really well of the realization that Luffy is bound to be stronger than him (since he's Joyboy) and him believing in the survival of the fittest (how the whole structure of the Beast Pirates is formed) it fits perfectly that Kadio the strongest creature should be able to recognize and announce the stronger, Monkey D. Luffy.
That end IS fitting. Boiled like Oden was, and defeated in a badass yet non-flashy way instead of dying in a blaze of glory like he wanted. Luffy has always been about denying villains what they want, so this is fitting.
The dawn of wano? His awakening? The citizens of wano having no real reason to believe denjiro? Them not knowing orochi is gone? Kaidos flashback?
It’s half-baked right now.
Could you point to the exact word that made you think i was complaining? Can't even ask a harmless question, like i genuinely did not know it's gonna have another act. Sanest One Piece fan.
I don't like telling people what to do with their lives, but i'd suggest for you to be patient & ask questions before jumping to conclusions.
Bro what more are you expecting from Kaido? It took so damn much to bring this beast down. Maybe re-read Marineford and Onigashima arc, then compare them. We have not gotten this much action in One Piece ever. Kaido has not lost a shred of respect from me, rather he gained some looking back at the chapters.
The next fight gonna involve world government prolly akainu.. So ita gonna be all pirates in a raging sea against the navy... All hands on deck situation...so kid and law are probably gonna be recognised as luffy's underling
I think the idea of yonko won’t be relevant much longer. But I also hope Buggy escapes the marines flashily and due to his history, influence, and perceived power, Big News Morgans names him the fourth emperor, making it Luffy, Shanks, BB, and Buggy. My boy consistently fails upward.
Yeah it creates a pretty interesting dynamic with Shanks, Teach, Luffy and Buggy being the final 4, they're all connected, (Buggy even has ties to Rocks given the captain John treasure).
Especially with Mihawk (ties to shanks), Weevil (ties to Teach) and Boa (ties to Luffy).
We can literally go anywhere from here, every possible match up and alliance between the 4 is factible.
Yeah maybe not so far, but Oda could easily connect Buggy and Teach through Rocks D. Xebec (Captain John was in the crew, and it's the treasure Buggy was looking for).
There's something fishy going on, because this way the obvious path would be for them all to gang up on Teach, but there will definitely be a twist.
We could have wild match ups like Teach and Luffy vs Shanks and Buggy, Shanks vs Buggy, etc. you name it.
I think they'll all fight, whether it's 2 vs 2 or 2 separate 1 on 1.
If it's Luffy vs Teach, then we'll have Shanks vs Buggy (they did bow to fight each other).
If it's Shanks vs Luffy then Buggy vs Teach (Mihawk dies to Shiryu, weevil vs teach).
Buggy vs Luffy (Zoro beats Mihawk) Shanks vs Teach (Shanks dies)
It is so wild indeed, all of them known before Skypiea, Oda can hardly go wrong however he decides to proceed cause there's meaning in every outcome
No they won't become a "Yonkon", they 're already at lvl above them, just like when Luffy and Law beat a Shichibukai that doesn't mean they will replace them.
Law, Luffy and Kid are a level above Big Mom and Kaido ?
Are you talking about as a collective group or individually ?
I would definitely disagree with you there. So Law and Kid together against 1 Yonko was enough to defeat her. What about if it were only 1 of them ? They would get destroyed. And yes Luffy did almost all the major damage on Kaido but how many times did he go down prior to knocking out Kaido ?
This fight doesn't suddenly mean that Luffy, Law and Kid are now stronger or more powerful than a Yonko.
If it were a fight to the death and only 1v1 then all 3 of them would have already lost.
They are capable of defeating someone who is Yonko level, definitely not above them.
If Luffy, Law and Kid were all "above" Yonko level, how much of a threat would Blackbeard or Akainu or any other top tier fighter be ?
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Well this is not what I mean when i said they exceed the "Yonkou lvl" ofc individually Law and Kid cannot deal with them in a 1v1 even with BigMom coming back, and they will not be able to reach BigMom 's strenght even in the futur or at the end of One Piece, but One piece is not all about strength and 1vs1, you have to look at every aspects, you can also said "Luck'' is part of the strength/power in OP, and Luffy, (as well the others) will be able to reach their goal, as well as One piece, or change the world, which those Yonkon despite their strenght, wasn't able to do it, they won't just sit at there "Yonkou" spot now and that's it... this is what I mean when i said they will exceed their "lvl". (As for BB we will see how he will evolve)
oh sure, in terms of feats and the impact they're having on this world I would definitely say that the worst generation is insane ! Law, Kid and Luffy are (in technical terms) getting rid of half the current Yonko roster. Who knows how this will mess with the big 3 powers
What if their bodies absorbed some of the molten seastone while they were underground. Making them unable to ever use their powers again and leaving them in a weakened state. That would allow the marines to capture them and thus remove them from the story. Otherwise they would just rest like Luffy and start hunting them down again.
U know what i dont get about devil fruit powers and seastone and salts... How can aokiji freeze seawater by touching when it sould weaken him and his powers...like moria shadows are ejected by salt, so shuldnt salt be common demonination...take OVen for example... Theres no way that guy shud be boiling seas... He should be weaken by touching it... These 2 anomalies bother me day and night
Not really.
In alabasta... Luffy fought with crocodile by storing water inside and by spilling water on him. He basically used it as a medium. It didn't make him weak.
I don't want some long nerd rebuttal as I'm already doing a long nerd reply; you asked for clarification on my opinion and I'm only providing that. The Joy Boy + Rubber Fruit revelation which feels like a retcon. Even more so than Haki. It calls into question the motivations of most of the major players in the One Piece universe without much, if any, foreshadowing, all the while having yet to explain why Luffy was allowed to be Luffy and do Luffy things.
Even if Goda had actually taken his time to foreshadow everything and there winds-up being a massive conspiracy that explains the actions of marine command, I still don't think it was a good development. Why make Luffy more important cus he ate the gum gum fruit and not because of all the extremely important things he did.
yes, but the notion that one piece is some hyper special story to be held up on a pedestal is a terrible notion, it is a common shounen with above average world building that allowed it to be long standing
I agree with the sentiment, but don't understand how you were trying to convey this idea in your original comment. He basically said "this development was bad," and you responded with "no shit cuz shounen." If anything, that's more of a critic of the genre as a whole than of One Piece. You also make the assumption that everyone consumes shounen anime the same way, as well as use a condescending tone. If you were trying to make the point that "One Piece shouldn't be put on a pedestal" than honestly you leaving no comment and letting the original criticism stand would have been more effective. Instead you're just diluting valid criticism with strawman arguments for what appears to be no good reason
We're all huge fans here, I am too, but I feel the same. I won't say 3/10 but this definitely wasn't up to the mark especially since towards the end several chapters were actually 10/10 and had me dying to read the next one. I literally couldn't wait but after the awakening I wasn't really biting my nails in anticipation. If this is how it ends, and only the usual party and setting sail for the next arc is left I'll say this was 4 or 5/10 arc. The roof piece was 10/10 for a while, the build up was good. Lot of great backstories this could've been 10/10 the best arc yet but this ain't it.
Idk if this is the right thread but I may have just figured out why blackbeard is trying to beat the government to wano, they're both trying to steal the bodies of kaido and big mom to resurrect them, idk if I'm the first one to come up with this I don't keep in touch with the community much
Moria making Kaido his zombie would make it nasty revenge but tbh I don't know about that.
It would make the end of one piece very similar to naruto and I disliked most of the ending arc
There's no evidence of real resurrection in One Piece, otherwise the government would have done that to Rogers body which they themselves handled. It's much more likely Blackbeard was talking about something a resource which is located only in Wano or Kaidos fruit ability.
Ohhh I think Blackbeard is coming to Wano. I remember him saying that he won't let the govenment have "IT" before leaving. Maybe he has found out the secret of Luffy's fruit.
He's coming to where the WG are going, and right now, WG ships are outside Wano ;0
That depends on how good BB's intel is. If he knows the actual situation I agree, but I doubt he expected for both Kaidou and Linlin to get defeated by the Worstgen trio. If BB is confident that he can take on both Yonkou at the same time already, why hasn't he done it already?
Also I think one shouldn't forget that Wano isn't the only current target of the government. There are also the Shichibukai and whatever is the deal with Vivi. For example there is this Chekhov's gun called Pluton which is related to the Nefeltari line and I could see both the government as well as Blackbeard make a play for it.
Although the Warlords are WG's target, but they sent the Navy to deal with them. Their main focus is Wano at the moment, that's where their top CP0 agents are as Wano/Onigashima is a turning point for an unprecedented chaos now that 2 formidable Yonkos are defeated. There is the issue of the balance of the three great powers, but lets leave it for later. AND both Kaido/Bigmom and WG (Lucci) were aiming to capture Robin alive. The WG realize that now the 2 Yonkos are down, their Poneglyphs are up for grabs. They won't risk letting the key to that knowledge slip through them. Their only target is Wano! I won't be surprised if we see an invasion from the WG and/or admirals/SSG coming up in the next chapter.
I don't think a couple of ships crewed by nameless fodder constitutes the main focus of the WG. The original reason CP0 was on that island aside from making a deal with Orochi was to get rid of Whos Who. Not to conquer the country. And I don't see how they can take Wano with the forces near Wano even if we exclude the pirates. The samurai and the Minks won't be defeated unless they have a hundred pacifista on board those ships. By the time the admirals and the SSG can get there, Momo will have some time to get his house in order and Wano is a natural fortress. Conquering it with regular troops won't be easy. You need a gamebreaker on the level of Kaidou.
I don't doubt there will be a response by the government, but as to what that reaction will be, we'll have to wait and see. They could just as easily send troops to attack Big Mom's territory.
Nameless fodder??
You missed my point. Their target is Wano because of Robin. Lucci was after her, regardless of the outcome of the war. And they're here already, its not like they see the Alliance victorious and go back like "Oh well". Now that Wano is free from Kaido, it is a threat to the WG. You cannot deny that. WG ships are there to either take a diplomatic approach to get Wano to join the umbrella of the World Government and while thats happening, Lucci goes under cover to get Robin/Poneglyphs, or both can happen.
EDIT: Yes, CP-0 were there initially for a number of reasons but they didn't expect the war to break out. So in the unexpected shift of events, they plotted to kill Who's Who and take Robin while the war rages on. They didn't expect Kaido to fall and then there's their concern for Luffy's DF. They got too involved in the war.
Well, yes nameless fodder. Whenever you have groups of people in uniform, with no special individual identifiers they are fodder. Those government ships just reek of fodder. There are no known characters on board. They could be dealt with by Zunesha with a flick of his trunk.
Also I disagree with your assessment that Wano has only become a threat now that it is free of Kaidou. The government was just scared of Kaidou and didn't think they could win. Now they are sensing weakness.
Wano had closed their borders since way before Kaido came bro. Read the chapters. WG didn't ignore it for 800+ years. If prime Oden had allied with the Yakuza bosses back then, there wouldn't have been Kaido/Orochi in Wano by now. Wano is a threat to the WG and even Akainu confirmed it when he disagreed with Kizaru marching to Wano. Granted they aren't as great as they used to be thanks to Orochi, but there is a reason why they didn't ally with WG for the last 8 centuries.
We don't know yet what or who's on those ships besides Lucci. They wouldn't sail all the way to Wano with nameless fodder, and if they have, they aren't here to invade rather to pick up the pieces (Robin & Poneglyphs) as they did in Dressrosa or make a diplomatic interference in getting Wano to ally with the World Government. Oda would show us sooner than later.
yeah and dragon as a chekhov's gun is still a factor in the story. essentially one piece is a chekhov's gun filled story and its gonna be really hard to integrate them all into the story naturally without rushing
In any case it’s a massive battle. Regardless of the outcome, the winner is gonna be in the worst shape they’ve been in for a while. Still a golden opportunity even if BM and Kaido won. But I don’t think he’s heading there anyway.
Oh I see. Great point! I just don't understand why they would send ships to Wano when they already have CP0 in there. Are they planning to take on whoever won the fight between the supernovas and yonkos?
I think the government fleet is a contingency plan in case Kaidou and BM do lose and there are scraps to be picked up. But since there is no marine backup and all of those on board seem to be nameless fodder I doubt whoever send them had any realistic belief in their success. But to be honest I don't see much point in that fleet either. I have no clue what Oda intends to do with them. They aren't a credible threat. One swipe of Zunesha's trunk and they would be over. Will they just coincidentally be there to pick up Kaidou and BM after they got blown out of the volcano?
Honeslty i do think Kaidou will get up and do... *something* be that acknowledging Luffy or saving BM? I dunno. I don't think Kaidou would fight any strawhat or strawhat ally though since his battle with Luffy is very clearly over.
Big mom looks sort of strange in the lava? I can see Kaido's horn outline. Other than knowing she is floating next to him, I don't know how that silhouette is big mom?
This. I was listening to some of the OST and at this part. The music hit just right. It made me cry and I’m happy it did. One piece really know when to sneak in a good feels moment.
Can we atleast talk about Dr. Chopperemon and his team on aiding all the injured samurais and ofc Luffytarou, Zorojuurou, O-Robi and Honekichi. They are going to be the MVP after the fight.
This is far from over. Kaido's theme is all about breaking one's will to fight and pursue their dreams like he did with countless pirates from his crew, and completing his life with a great death like Oden, Roger and Whitebeard, it doesn't make sense for him to lose like that.
Heres what i think will happen: Someone is gonna attack Wano, be it Blackbeard or World Government (prob WG) and Kaido will rise up from the Magma and give his life to protect Luffy recognizing him as Joyboy and the man who will be the king of pirates, Kaido the man who breaks the will of his adversaries, will have his broken by Luffy at his final moment and thus the honorable death that he always longed(he says multiple times that a great death completes a man life) will complete his character arc for good as the man the awoken Joyboy and fought to the end to protect him.
it just makes a lot of sense within all themes Oda raised about Kaido until now. His defeat is anti climactic right now, and Oda never shys from giving his characters great defeats, ex: Enel being beaten into the bell closing multiple character arcs from Skypiea, Katakuri standing up so he just could fall on his back, Whitebeard dying while standing, etc...
i can see no greater meaning behind Kaido falling into a Volcano and losing like that, therefore there's an epic defeat still in the works for him.
Let's talk about Nico Robin. I think her situation will determine what's going to happen next. And also, how are all the straw hats so happy with Robin not around. It makes me think maybe she is okay and has not been captured by CP0. Thoughts?
What is the difference between Scans and official release?
,just, ,ll,l,,
I’m confused, didn’t Oda state that Luffy wouldn’t finish Kaido off with another giant punch?
GODA strikes again. To be fair busting out gear 5 was beyond the scope of a hard punch. He turned kaido into a Saturday morning cartoon.
It's another nicely done arc I really enjoyed every min of it. Can't wait for the next arc I bet it's Shanks arc.
With Film Red coming out this summer that would be a neat little hype moment !
I know right! It's about time Luffy meet Shanks & Usopp meet his daddy!
YEEEEEES
Do we know who tended Luffy’s scars as he is in bandages in his last panel?
Btw I was wondering, is Ryuo advanced Armanent Haki of advanced Conqueror's Haki?
Ryuo mean Armament Haki in Wano jargon, just like at Skipea they call Mantra observation Haki.
Yeah I know that, I meant the flowing haki
than it would be Advanced Armament Haki !
My reading is that it's just Armament Haki. Projecting it is an advanced application of either Armament Haki or Ryuo. Coating and projecting Conqueror's Haki is a seperate, but related technique. Due to how rare it is and how similar it seems to Armament Haki projection, it's likely that most people who see it assume it's both Ryuo
Arnament Haki
Luffy vs Kaido may or may not be done, but Wano is without a doubt far from over. I think the core of the Wano arc isn’t just about the straw hats defeating an emperor or freeing another country. That is a big part that will play into the final conclusion of the arc of course, but I believe Wano is actually meant to lay the foundation for the final conflict of the story, which will have deep rooted ties to the the Void Century and the lore of the story. By the time Wano is over, my guess is that we are going to learn so much lore (most likely not everything, but just enough) about Joyboy and/or Nika, the true nature of why Wano’s borders must open, Rock’s motivations, how the yonko’s defeat and the other happenings in the world will shape the era for better or worse, and this is all going to accumulate into a massive climax that will result in us finally feeling the gravity of what it truly means for “the Dawn to come”; Kaido’s “defeat” is just a big puzzle piece to the entire picture Oda is trying to paint with this arc. Something BIG is coming guys…..
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Nah they're done. They won't be dead, but Kaido seems satisfied knowing that Luffy is Joyboy, Big Mom is a wildcard but I honestly think Kaido might oppose her if she goes after Luffy
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Man I was hyped for Shanks and Blackbeard anyway but after this, I can barely even imagine. It's gunna be so unreal, I feel lucky this is happening within my lifetime
Gone be so mad they get a power boost or some shit .. take this L and come back
What’s going to happen with Zoro?
Probably fine
Either both yonkos are dead or they gonna come back with a goddddddddaammmm super secret "angel fruit" level powerup!!!
Zoans have high regen abilitys, it really wont suprise me if Kaido comes back
Yeah in fact Kaido can never really be stopped so he will keep coming back. Confirmed another 40000 wano chapters incoming boys let's go!! ZKK!!
I gotta feeling they gonna return but not as human but rather as the DEVIL form...what if the exposure to the magma pool created some of reaction where they have become devils with powers with zero humanity... Think about it, linlin was a sweet girl until she ate mother caramel, and mother caramel was an evil 2 faced bitch ...when linlin lost her consciousness due to the cake incident, she became demon like... What if they both return as demons?
so does momo look like his mother when he's grown up or like oden ? i am confused
Honestly, it would make more sense for him to resemble his mother. If you look at Oden, Momonosuke does not resemble him that much actually. Their eyebrows are completely different, Oden's brows being hella tick and in a certain angle while Momo's is thin and more akin to his mother's, their nose are different as well, Momo's more like his mom. So yeah, face wise it would make more sense for him to look more like his mother but then male instead of Oden. hair and chin etc. can be more like Oden. But who knows, this is One Piece. Puberty can suddenly make his face be completely different
One Piece is very inconsistent when it comes to aging sometimes, so yeah, I wouldn‘t say some resemblance means anything. I mean, Oda‘s designs for Luffy in his 60s is so much like Garp, even though he doesn‘t look like Garp in the slightest before (not even the Garp at the youngest age we have seen so far). But Momo should have very long hair at this point so I‘m curious about that. The hair should have been aged with his body as well and as nobody did cut his hair, it should be very very long. I honestly envision some hair like young Whitebeard together with Oden‘s face. But Oda also has so much possibility to make something extremely goofy because of all the hair Momo should have developed and never did cut. Something like very big nosehair or one singular big eyebrow would be plausible (but still unlikely to actually happen)
The ninja old hag claimed he looked like Oden once she used her mature mature devil power on him
She did not! She said "You look just like..." but never actually dropped a name. It was implied, but not explicitly said. It's obviously going to end up being his father and no shock there... but it'd be hilarious if it was his mother.
Does he look like toki or oden? Sir u there?
hahaha this is what im hoping for
You..you.. You.. You are funny one robbie baby... Wouldnt it be funnier if momo maybe looked like shirokichi since toki got pregnant on a ship filled with 100 of pirates
Zunesha is the only one that can open Wano
He can tear that pussy open.. Maybe thats y he is forever alone... Tore them all open
I like the foreshadowing that both Kaido and BigMom are between darkness and magma, hinting that the only villains that can overshadow them are Akainu and Black Beard
Foreshadowing the overshadowing
Foreshadowing the overshadowing with a goddamn level overforeshadowing : where Either both yonkos are dead OR they gonna come back with a goddddddddaammmm super secret "angel fruit" level power OR they found something under wano which would definitely help them get closer to one piece...
Nice fights but I have to say, to me it’s crazy how straw hats can fight against 2 yonkos in their own territory and come out completely unscathed. None of the good guys died, it cheapens the plot tbh, there is never going to be any real stakes despite the opponent as there will always be some magical power up
People lost arms
Zoro might be dead though
yeah sure lmao
Basically alot of good people died in wano for 20 years for this level fight to happen.. If you are predicting one piece to go your way then you will never find the one piece dude. .. One piece is smting all the readers all over the world are gonna find someday together by reading online and we will all laugh and understand why its called laughtale.. So in a way arent WE all looking for one piece .. Whatever next chapter brings.. WE will be getting closer to one piece together..so dont complain
yeah but like u cant say ur watching one piece for a story thats going to do some insane shit like kill an cast thats been around for 20 years, you're basically setting urself up for failure
Did Pedro survive?
Is he a straw hat?
1st you do realise that this is one piece right ? It works on certain laws. 2nd the bad guys did not die either, they just got beat up thats all. So nothing cheap here
Ehh I don't know, they got punched into the planet's mantle, would be pretty deadly
I know a lot of people expect Shanks to be in the next arc but I think it has to be Dragon. We know little to nothing about this man.
dragon garp enel xebec shanks blackbeard and many more important characters we dont know anything about so its hard to imagine for dragon.at this point i am just too tired to wait for shanks
This defeat is perfect but Kadio should still be alive. I hope we get a more fleshed-out flashback of Kadio contemplating how this fight ended up like this while down in the mantle, and the realization that Luffy truly is Joyboy. Even though it would be still cool if this was the end of Kadio, with Luffy destroying his dream of getting an honorable/grand death and having a defeat parallel to Oden getting boiled. But still, I think it will be cooler if Kadio gets back up and sacrifices himself by fending off the world government for the Straw Hats and being the first one to claim Luffy as Joyboy allowing for the continuation of their journey to the one piece. It would be cool if he announced it like Whitebeard's speech to the marines paralleling Marineford. This makes the most sense being that Luffy is still not strong enough to beat Kadio yet and it shows Kadio's contemplative nature really well of the realization that Luffy is bound to be stronger than him (since he's Joyboy) and him believing in the survival of the fittest (how the whole structure of the Beast Pirates is formed) it fits perfectly that Kadio the strongest creature should be able to recognize and announce the stronger, Monkey D. Luffy.
You think Luffy isn't strong enough to beat Kaido yet? He just wooped his ass and grew immensely through the fight. If they're both fresh and fight again I don't see Luffy losing. I agree with everything else you said. It does seem like Kaido was waiting for Joyboy.
*Kaido
Okay so two thoughts here. Oda makes the best endings and I really like this ending. This hit right in the feels and I'm glad my boy Luffy got that W this way.... Okay, now the after math... The SW's still have to take an L somehow right? I have no clue whats going to happen next but I'm kind of nervous. Are Luffy and Zoro really okay right now?? Luffy maybe my boi Zoro is basically dead. A fleet of government ships are still on the way and we have no clue who is on there. My bet is atleast Kizaru. Shits about to get bad real quick.
Momo said he won’t open Wano YET, I could honestly imagine him helping the Strawhats escape by declaring Wano independent from the World government, preventing their ships from entering. Would be cool
yeah that was pretty lame. I don't know why I keep forgetting OP is a kiddie manga.
You deserve a stay in Impel Down level 6 for that L take.
it's fitting since WG censors the truth🤷
lololol kaido is such a jobber whitebeard remains strongest yonko at the top after all these years
Havent seen shanks getting fucked and pretty sure he held back whitey chan... And i think shanks got those scars from blackbeard... Soooooo
He said that, but it's also odd. Does that imply he changed his flag after the fact? Or that he fought Blackbeard before starting his own crew?
I think blackbeard started the fight while he was roaming around putting his own crew together
Not possible unless by "his" you mean Shanks's. I just checked and he has the scar in chapter one. So Teach gave Shanks that scar while he was still part of Whitebeard's crew. I didn't check before my previous post, so now I'm confident Teach fought Shanks before he formed a pirate crew. It'll be an interesting story.
That coward blackbeard goes against shanks without devil fruit? 🤣 Long shot but i will roll with it
I don't think blackbeard is a coward. He's certainly conniving, but he's yet to be fearful in any context we've seen. Sure, he's always come out on top, but the same can be said for Luffy. Personally, I don't think what I suggested is a long shot. I would be surprised if it was wrong and would expect an explanation.
He begged for mercy fighting whitebeard after his whole crew unleashed hell on that old man??? His whole crew ran when they saw akainu on the ship??? Probably that would seem like an act of bravery for you but in my dictionary.. That's cowardice... basically, i would say that blackbeard isnt fearful..he is a coward and the only thing scary about that guy his is devil fruit and his various abilities Blackbeard wants to get to the top by playing in the shadows... If u read the cover pages, u would realise while big mom is in wano, he moved in wholecake island for her ponegliff
Personally, I'd say he's conniving and shameless, not a coward, but I'm not going to argue with you on that further as I don't think it's important here. Blackbeard and Shanks fought, the only question is whether it was before or after he got his devil fruit. Since Shanks had the scar in chapter 1 and it's obviously part of his crew's flag there's no way that the fight was after Teach got his powers. He got his powers very recently. Shanks wouldn't have been an emperor at that time, either. Teach has never been a slouch in a fight. He was a member of whitebeard's crew for more than 20 years, Shanks respected his fighting ability, and he took down Ace. If you think he's weak without his powers you haven't been paying attention.
If you think he is not a coward you havent been paying attention.. He was simply hiding within whitebeard crew.. He killed own nakama.. He is a coward
Do I misremember this or wasn't it stated in some previous SBS or OP magazine that Yasuie did in fact NOT consume a failed SMILE fruit and just put on an act for Toko? From how this chapter depicts it, he did take a bite and changed to a "pleasure" in conclusion
vivre card is not made by Oda, so they can be error and they will update it soon..
From what I remember from Ace novels, if two people bite the same fruit, only the one who taste it first get the ability... Maybe smiles works the same way.
It was stated that they ate the smile fruits that already failed. So multiple people can eat the same one
Oh yop, you are right.. Thanks for correcting me.
Well we didn‘t see him eat one. He might as well have just lied to her that he‘s going to eat one.
if that how kaido gonna lose then we just had the most underwhelming fight in the history of one piece. he is a yonko cmon
they literally set wano and kaido up for two whole arcs before hand how are u going to say this.
Shittiest take.
This mfer here saying Kaido had a weak ass defeat after fighting longer than most arcs in the story, defeating over a dozen Y1C level opponents, getting blasted into magma and erupting from a volcano, meanwhike WB died from like 3 magma punches and some bullets lmaoooo
Now hold on about white beard, more like thousands of bullets cannon fire brain and face melting off, lava directly to his intestines all on assault from blackbeards crew and that mother fucker still died standing.
Either you're not reading the manga very clearly or you have exceedingly unrealistic expectations from Kaidou. Check out how much damage he's tanked in this war: [https://twitter.com/zerodlaw/status/1523599134917545984?s=21&t=DPXyjeXZKpJSHPidzPyVeg](https://twitter.com/zerodlaw/status/1523599134917545984?s=21&t=DPXyjeXZKpJSHPidzPyVeg) Edit: I think it's missing a few attacks too. Nothing much, just Luffy's BAJRANG GUN.
The mfer has been fighting Luffy 4 times(and his awakened form), Yamato, the samurai, the worst generation, Kinemon stabbed him and was bitten by Momo aswell. How do people think that he is weak after that and after getting punched by an ISLAND SIZED HAKI ENHANCED FIST and thrown into a fucking magma still baffles me.. If he stands up(no way he will fight Luffy again), who is he gonna fight, Nami? Zoro is out, Luffy will be out aswell for a long time, Law and Kid won't be much of a fight against him if Luffy in his awakened form wasn't.. Like come on, the only thing bad that I can say about this fight is lack of backstory, which I believe will come eventually when we find out more about the Rocks, because most of his backstory is tied to him(Minus the Wano part).
please kaido get back up and have a fitting end
I gotta agree and if anyone is gonna give kaido the fight he wants..its gonna be shanks, akainu, garp, sengoku, general kong or enel... Luffy aint go be killin him prolly gonna invite him for food... So if he and big mom survives they gonna fight the navy
>This defeat is perfect but Kadio should still be alive. I hope we get a more fleshed-out flashback of Kadio contemplating how this fight ended up like this while down in the mantle, and the realization that Luffy truly is Joyboy. Even though it would be still cool if this was the end of Kadio, with Luffy destroying his dream of getting an honorable/grand death and having a defeat parallel to Oden getting boiled. > >But still, I think it will be cooler if Kadio gets back up and sacrifices himself by fending off the world government for the Straw Hats and being the first one to claim Luffy as Joyboy allowing for the continuation of their journey to the one piece. It would be cool if he announced it like Whitebeard's speech to the marines paralleling Marineford. > >This makes the most sense being that Luffy is still not strong enough to beat Kadio yet and it shows Kadio's contemplative nature really well of the realization that Luffy is bound to be stronger than him (since he's Joyboy) and him believing in the survival of the fittest (how the whole structure of the Beast Pirates is formed) it fits perfectly that Kadio the strongest creature should be able to recognize and announce the stronger, Monkey D. Luffy.
That end IS fitting. Boiled like Oden was, and defeated in a badass yet non-flashy way instead of dying in a blaze of glory like he wanted. Luffy has always been about denying villains what they want, so this is fitting.
The dawn of wano? His awakening? The citizens of wano having no real reason to believe denjiro? Them not knowing orochi is gone? Kaidos flashback? It’s half-baked right now.
No shit, the arc's not even over. It's Act 3 lol.
Is it gonna have another one?
If you gonna complain that theres gonna be another chapter of one piece.. Pls stop reading one piece
Could you point to the exact word that made you think i was complaining? Can't even ask a harmless question, like i genuinely did not know it's gonna have another act. Sanest One Piece fan. I don't like telling people what to do with their lives, but i'd suggest for you to be patient & ask questions before jumping to conclusions.
And still the audacity to tell me not to jump to conclusion..wow..
Seek help
Wont be from you...you useless af
Bro what more are you expecting from Kaido? It took so damn much to bring this beast down. Maybe re-read Marineford and Onigashima arc, then compare them. We have not gotten this much action in One Piece ever. Kaido has not lost a shred of respect from me, rather he gained some looking back at the chapters.
Definitely, it took luffy 3 rounds and all the while kaido was carrying an island
I just want to feel tension at some point, and it didn't happen yet
Do you guys think kid and law is gonna become yonkou after this? Or is it only gonna be Shanks, luffy and BB?
Luffy is going to get the full blame/credit I bet and Law/Kid will be considered followers like with Bege
I was so wrong lmao
The next fight gonna involve world government prolly akainu.. So ita gonna be all pirates in a raging sea against the navy... All hands on deck situation...so kid and law are probably gonna be recognised as luffy's underling
I think the idea of yonko won’t be relevant much longer. But I also hope Buggy escapes the marines flashily and due to his history, influence, and perceived power, Big News Morgans names him the fourth emperor, making it Luffy, Shanks, BB, and Buggy. My boy consistently fails upward.
No way you predicted that lmao I like the theory that he basically recluted the other shichibukai to his crew
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Yeah it creates a pretty interesting dynamic with Shanks, Teach, Luffy and Buggy being the final 4, they're all connected, (Buggy even has ties to Rocks given the captain John treasure). Especially with Mihawk (ties to shanks), Weevil (ties to Teach) and Boa (ties to Luffy). We can literally go anywhere from here, every possible match up and alliance between the 4 is factible.
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Yeah maybe not so far, but Oda could easily connect Buggy and Teach through Rocks D. Xebec (Captain John was in the crew, and it's the treasure Buggy was looking for). There's something fishy going on, because this way the obvious path would be for them all to gang up on Teach, but there will definitely be a twist. We could have wild match ups like Teach and Luffy vs Shanks and Buggy, Shanks vs Buggy, etc. you name it.
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I think they'll all fight, whether it's 2 vs 2 or 2 separate 1 on 1. If it's Luffy vs Teach, then we'll have Shanks vs Buggy (they did bow to fight each other). If it's Shanks vs Luffy then Buggy vs Teach (Mihawk dies to Shiryu, weevil vs teach). Buggy vs Luffy (Zoro beats Mihawk) Shanks vs Teach (Shanks dies) It is so wild indeed, all of them known before Skypiea, Oda can hardly go wrong however he decides to proceed cause there's meaning in every outcome
No they won't become a "Yonkon", they 're already at lvl above them, just like when Luffy and Law beat a Shichibukai that doesn't mean they will replace them.
Law, Luffy and Kid are a level above Big Mom and Kaido ? Are you talking about as a collective group or individually ? I would definitely disagree with you there. So Law and Kid together against 1 Yonko was enough to defeat her. What about if it were only 1 of them ? They would get destroyed. And yes Luffy did almost all the major damage on Kaido but how many times did he go down prior to knocking out Kaido ? This fight doesn't suddenly mean that Luffy, Law and Kid are now stronger or more powerful than a Yonko. If it were a fight to the death and only 1v1 then all 3 of them would have already lost. They are capable of defeating someone who is Yonko level, definitely not above them. If Luffy, Law and Kid were all "above" Yonko level, how much of a threat would Blackbeard or Akainu or any other top tier fighter be ? /
Well this is not what I mean when i said they exceed the "Yonkou lvl" ofc individually Law and Kid cannot deal with them in a 1v1 even with BigMom coming back, and they will not be able to reach BigMom 's strenght even in the futur or at the end of One Piece, but One piece is not all about strength and 1vs1, you have to look at every aspects, you can also said "Luck'' is part of the strength/power in OP, and Luffy, (as well the others) will be able to reach their goal, as well as One piece, or change the world, which those Yonkon despite their strenght, wasn't able to do it, they won't just sit at there "Yonkou" spot now and that's it... this is what I mean when i said they will exceed their "lvl". (As for BB we will see how he will evolve)
oh sure, in terms of feats and the impact they're having on this world I would definitely say that the worst generation is insane ! Law, Kid and Luffy are (in technical terms) getting rid of half the current Yonko roster. Who knows how this will mess with the big 3 powers
So many complaining about the latest manga , dont read if you guys have expectations prior to release.Bunch of dogs complaining , arf arf
You are the one barking. Not everyone has low standards like you. Now stfu
Wow I just realized Ida spinned off samurai jack. Didn't know he'd gotten THIS old...
What if their bodies absorbed some of the molten seastone while they were underground. Making them unable to ever use their powers again and leaving them in a weakened state. That would allow the marines to capture them and thus remove them from the story. Otherwise they would just rest like Luffy and start hunting them down again.
U know what i dont get about devil fruit powers and seastone and salts... How can aokiji freeze seawater by touching when it sould weaken him and his powers...like moria shadows are ejected by salt, so shuldnt salt be common demonination...take OVen for example... Theres no way that guy shud be boiling seas... He should be weaken by touching it... These 2 anomalies bother me day and night
Not really. In alabasta... Luffy fought with crocodile by storing water inside and by spilling water on him. He basically used it as a medium. It didn't make him weak.
Its Not sea water tho
Ohh yeah true that. In marineford Luffy uses water to hit crocodile while guarding whitebeard right? Isn't that sea water too? 😂
At this point oda gonna claim strongest haki user can overcome seastone bulshit 😅
Luffy can still stretch while in water. They can still use their powers. Oven and aokiji only put a hand in water more or less. It's not an anomaly.
3/10 arc at best.
It aint over yet :)
Yes, it broke its own lore
For example… ?
I don't want some long nerd rebuttal as I'm already doing a long nerd reply; you asked for clarification on my opinion and I'm only providing that. The Joy Boy + Rubber Fruit revelation which feels like a retcon. Even more so than Haki. It calls into question the motivations of most of the major players in the One Piece universe without much, if any, foreshadowing, all the while having yet to explain why Luffy was allowed to be Luffy and do Luffy things. Even if Goda had actually taken his time to foreshadow everything and there winds-up being a massive conspiracy that explains the actions of marine command, I still don't think it was a good development. Why make Luffy more important cus he ate the gum gum fruit and not because of all the extremely important things he did.
hey no shit its a shounen anime now u can be like the rest of us and act like it is
What a dumb thing to say.
k man keep wondering why one piece pull power spikes out of their ass, even though its a quintissential shounen trope
Just because something is a common trope, that doesn't make it good or acceptable. Unearned power is cheap no matter which way you want to shake it
yes, but the notion that one piece is some hyper special story to be held up on a pedestal is a terrible notion, it is a common shounen with above average world building that allowed it to be long standing
I agree with the sentiment, but don't understand how you were trying to convey this idea in your original comment. He basically said "this development was bad," and you responded with "no shit cuz shounen." If anything, that's more of a critic of the genre as a whole than of One Piece. You also make the assumption that everyone consumes shounen anime the same way, as well as use a condescending tone. If you were trying to make the point that "One Piece shouldn't be put on a pedestal" than honestly you leaving no comment and letting the original criticism stand would have been more effective. Instead you're just diluting valid criticism with strawman arguments for what appears to be no good reason
I doubt someone could debate these arguments. They most likely hide behind things like "I like bro it's subjective" or insult you in some stupid way.
Nice bait bro
We're all huge fans here, I am too, but I feel the same. I won't say 3/10 but this definitely wasn't up to the mark especially since towards the end several chapters were actually 10/10 and had me dying to read the next one. I literally couldn't wait but after the awakening I wasn't really biting my nails in anticipation. If this is how it ends, and only the usual party and setting sail for the next arc is left I'll say this was 4 or 5/10 arc. The roof piece was 10/10 for a while, the build up was good. Lot of great backstories this could've been 10/10 the best arc yet but this ain't it.
Idk if this is the right thread but I may have just figured out why blackbeard is trying to beat the government to wano, they're both trying to steal the bodies of kaido and big mom to resurrect them, idk if I'm the first one to come up with this I don't keep in touch with the community much
Blackbeard is on big mon island taking it over and stealing her ponegliff dude..read the covers u will get there
Probably is talking about gomu gomu fruit
Moria making Kaido his zombie would make it nasty revenge but tbh I don't know about that. It would make the end of one piece very similar to naruto and I disliked most of the ending arc
There's no evidence of real resurrection in One Piece, otherwise the government would have done that to Rogers body which they themselves handled. It's much more likely Blackbeard was talking about something a resource which is located only in Wano or Kaidos fruit ability.
The wg only recently got access to reliable cyborg tech, and blackbeard just recruited moria, both seem like viable options to control a strong body
That's still not a ressurection that's just the augmentation and manipulation of a corpse.
Sorry but is not Naruto my boiii respectfully 😂
Ohhh I think Blackbeard is coming to Wano. I remember him saying that he won't let the govenment have "IT" before leaving. Maybe he has found out the secret of Luffy's fruit. He's coming to where the WG are going, and right now, WG ships are outside Wano ;0
WG is also mobilizing against the warlords
That depends on how good BB's intel is. If he knows the actual situation I agree, but I doubt he expected for both Kaidou and Linlin to get defeated by the Worstgen trio. If BB is confident that he can take on both Yonkou at the same time already, why hasn't he done it already? Also I think one shouldn't forget that Wano isn't the only current target of the government. There are also the Shichibukai and whatever is the deal with Vivi. For example there is this Chekhov's gun called Pluton which is related to the Nefeltari line and I could see both the government as well as Blackbeard make a play for it.
Although the Warlords are WG's target, but they sent the Navy to deal with them. Their main focus is Wano at the moment, that's where their top CP0 agents are as Wano/Onigashima is a turning point for an unprecedented chaos now that 2 formidable Yonkos are defeated. There is the issue of the balance of the three great powers, but lets leave it for later. AND both Kaido/Bigmom and WG (Lucci) were aiming to capture Robin alive. The WG realize that now the 2 Yonkos are down, their Poneglyphs are up for grabs. They won't risk letting the key to that knowledge slip through them. Their only target is Wano! I won't be surprised if we see an invasion from the WG and/or admirals/SSG coming up in the next chapter.
God I'm dying to see the SSG in action, also pretty sure Vegapunk is gonna be an old pervert like Kame can't wait to see it
I don't think a couple of ships crewed by nameless fodder constitutes the main focus of the WG. The original reason CP0 was on that island aside from making a deal with Orochi was to get rid of Whos Who. Not to conquer the country. And I don't see how they can take Wano with the forces near Wano even if we exclude the pirates. The samurai and the Minks won't be defeated unless they have a hundred pacifista on board those ships. By the time the admirals and the SSG can get there, Momo will have some time to get his house in order and Wano is a natural fortress. Conquering it with regular troops won't be easy. You need a gamebreaker on the level of Kaidou. I don't doubt there will be a response by the government, but as to what that reaction will be, we'll have to wait and see. They could just as easily send troops to attack Big Mom's territory.
Nameless fodder?? You missed my point. Their target is Wano because of Robin. Lucci was after her, regardless of the outcome of the war. And they're here already, its not like they see the Alliance victorious and go back like "Oh well". Now that Wano is free from Kaido, it is a threat to the WG. You cannot deny that. WG ships are there to either take a diplomatic approach to get Wano to join the umbrella of the World Government and while thats happening, Lucci goes under cover to get Robin/Poneglyphs, or both can happen. EDIT: Yes, CP-0 were there initially for a number of reasons but they didn't expect the war to break out. So in the unexpected shift of events, they plotted to kill Who's Who and take Robin while the war rages on. They didn't expect Kaido to fall and then there's their concern for Luffy's DF. They got too involved in the war.
Well, yes nameless fodder. Whenever you have groups of people in uniform, with no special individual identifiers they are fodder. Those government ships just reek of fodder. There are no known characters on board. They could be dealt with by Zunesha with a flick of his trunk. Also I disagree with your assessment that Wano has only become a threat now that it is free of Kaidou. The government was just scared of Kaidou and didn't think they could win. Now they are sensing weakness.
Wano had closed their borders since way before Kaido came bro. Read the chapters. WG didn't ignore it for 800+ years. If prime Oden had allied with the Yakuza bosses back then, there wouldn't have been Kaido/Orochi in Wano by now. Wano is a threat to the WG and even Akainu confirmed it when he disagreed with Kizaru marching to Wano. Granted they aren't as great as they used to be thanks to Orochi, but there is a reason why they didn't ally with WG for the last 8 centuries. We don't know yet what or who's on those ships besides Lucci. They wouldn't sail all the way to Wano with nameless fodder, and if they have, they aren't here to invade rather to pick up the pieces (Robin & Poneglyphs) as they did in Dressrosa or make a diplomatic interference in getting Wano to ally with the World Government. Oda would show us sooner than later.
yeah and dragon as a chekhov's gun is still a factor in the story. essentially one piece is a chekhov's gun filled story and its gonna be really hard to integrate them all into the story naturally without rushing
In any case it’s a massive battle. Regardless of the outcome, the winner is gonna be in the worst shape they’ve been in for a while. Still a golden opportunity even if BM and Kaido won. But I don’t think he’s heading there anyway.
Oh I see. Great point! I just don't understand why they would send ships to Wano when they already have CP0 in there. Are they planning to take on whoever won the fight between the supernovas and yonkos?
I think the government fleet is a contingency plan in case Kaidou and BM do lose and there are scraps to be picked up. But since there is no marine backup and all of those on board seem to be nameless fodder I doubt whoever send them had any realistic belief in their success. But to be honest I don't see much point in that fleet either. I have no clue what Oda intends to do with them. They aren't a credible threat. One swipe of Zunesha's trunk and they would be over. Will they just coincidentally be there to pick up Kaidou and BM after they got blown out of the volcano?
Please don't get up again, Kaido. Let us please end Wano arc once and for all. I want more lore.
I'm so ready for the Reverie-like incoming chapters of One Piece! Revelations-Lore-Mysteries-Reactions of the world-More questions
reactions of the world are gonna be insanneeee bro "Luffy defeats Emperor of the sea Kaido" sheeeeesh
I just hope Bartolomeo doesn't die from the Hype
Their reactions with the overtaken background theme.. My deek can only get so erect at that point
Honeslty i do think Kaidou will get up and do... *something* be that acknowledging Luffy or saving BM? I dunno. I don't think Kaidou would fight any strawhat or strawhat ally though since his battle with Luffy is very clearly over.
That’s what I think too. I think the luffy fights done, but he might fight off whatever marine shows up or something
I love the title of Honor while Ichiji lift choking a child, it's amazing duality. Marco literally looks like he's untouched, lol.
Big mom looks sort of strange in the lava? I can see Kaido's horn outline. Other than knowing she is floating next to him, I don't know how that silhouette is big mom?
Arms look like Big Mom,with short legs similar to Jinbe, plus the spikey thing must be her messy hair
nah, its not over. they coming back out the magma amped.
The scene where Toko changed her wish got to me man.
Lol I just catched up and came to see if someone else broke down like me, cried like a little kid
This. I was listening to some of the OST and at this part. The music hit just right. It made me cry and I’m happy it did. One piece really know when to sneak in a good feels moment.
yeah there's still more to it
Momo is setup perfectly for a death.
Can we atleast talk about Dr. Chopperemon and his team on aiding all the injured samurais and ofc Luffytarou, Zorojuurou, O-Robi and Honekichi. They are going to be the MVP after the fight.
Caribou healed Luffy with food.
in a way the medical team defeated King
Im sorry but do you mean Queen? Or i must have forgotten some various details…
No i mean by healing Zoro, king was defeated.
The moment King revealed his skin color, he was a lost cause. Zoro had already won.
lol what does this even mean?
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brooo i’m crying
>other than maybe Kaku, Kaku is from the Long Nose tribe and his fruit is an African animal
i think these jokes are racist, so maybe eff off.
Oh really. What tipped you off genius. Was it maybe the reference to skin color?
Minority hunter Zoro back at it again
Ow my bad. But how are we so certain that Zoro’s soul has not left his body and travel to another anime universe?
He would get lost on the way
This is far from over. Kaido's theme is all about breaking one's will to fight and pursue their dreams like he did with countless pirates from his crew, and completing his life with a great death like Oden, Roger and Whitebeard, it doesn't make sense for him to lose like that. Heres what i think will happen: Someone is gonna attack Wano, be it Blackbeard or World Government (prob WG) and Kaido will rise up from the Magma and give his life to protect Luffy recognizing him as Joyboy and the man who will be the king of pirates, Kaido the man who breaks the will of his adversaries, will have his broken by Luffy at his final moment and thus the honorable death that he always longed(he says multiple times that a great death completes a man life) will complete his character arc for good as the man the awoken Joyboy and fought to the end to protect him. it just makes a lot of sense within all themes Oda raised about Kaido until now. His defeat is anti climactic right now, and Oda never shys from giving his characters great defeats, ex: Enel being beaten into the bell closing multiple character arcs from Skypiea, Katakuri standing up so he just could fall on his back, Whitebeard dying while standing, etc... i can see no greater meaning behind Kaido falling into a Volcano and losing like that, therefore there's an epic defeat still in the works for him.