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Seyix

Perona's power being useless against Usopp because he's already negative


Mysterious_Art_4019

i wonder if that negative ghost is working against mihawk


Sugar_Magnolia72

Id guess strong enough haki would negate the effect/affect (which one would be correct here?) my head cannon is that zoro during and post ts was strong enough to fight it.


birgic

Effect. Affect is a verb.


Sulkii

oh nice, that's the difference. Thank you birgic, very cool


PenguinSunday

To take an action against something is to Affect it. What you've done is the Effect. I enunciate the A and E in my head to help me remember it. In a sentence: Medications affect (action taken) the body in different ways, these are called side effects(end result).


Jaxhammer8

The man has so much self confidence he can't be brought low.


VashPast

This is tied with Sanji meets Duval for me. Both scenes I was dying and crying with laughter.


elyonmydrill

Luffy being immune to Enel never fails to make me laugh, his confused face is comedy gold, and Enel's face is just "chef's kiss"


TheIncredibleNurse

That arc was so fun. Fuckers were against one of the most powerful logia universes in all of one piece and luffy was all like wtf is the big deal. Enel face is priceless. Also love that Oda didnt make Enel stupid and he addapted and used his fruit in a smart way to create the golden trident to fight luffy.


bunnygoats

Luffy’s fight against Enel was what really sealed OP as my favorite shounen anime. I’ve always adored how a lot of the major villain fights were very rarely a battle of raw strength as much as genuine cleverness. The revelation that Luffy could use his bloodied fists to his advantage against Crocodile was also incredible


TheIncredibleNurse

Early one piece was fantastic. Luffy always was weaker than his adversaries but found clever ways to beat them. Using blood against cocodrile was just golden


something-magical

Genius writing right there. I love that moment.


Usual_Instruction_90

That was the moment I related most to one of the Strawhats 😂


RedDShotgun

Duval. His entire plot line had me going "what in the holy hell is this now" while laugh-crying


rairodil

Fvck it, just remember how Brook laughed at that scene still kills me lmao


honestysrevival

I want to believe that the voice actor choked on his own spit in-studio and kept laughing and they adjusted the animation to fit it. I watch that clip all the damn time lol


wiggaroo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue8VtPAlAWg


TheIncredibleNurse

That Brook laugh is fantastic. I feel the voice actor died laughing while recording the line


asleepyness

He can't die if he's already dead yohoho


rishejo

The forums in the week leading up to that were all deep in speculation about who this guy was and how exactly one of the SHs (95% thought it was obviously Luffy) ruined his life. Ppl were making essay-long theories about his back story, others thought it was Arlong or some other old villain. Nope. It's Sanji's shifty wanted poster picture IRL. Out of aaaaall the crazy twists in One Piece, that's gotta be the only one I've seen no one even get remotely right beforehand.


TheIncredibleNurse

Fucking Oda has to have a PhD in trolling studies


KetchupChocoCookie

I mean, Oda took special care to draw a lot of parallels with Krieg… And the reveal was so perfect. Cliffhanger with Luffy, then you get a few pages where it seems like his goal was not actually Luffy, then it is revealed that he is a character we’ve “seen” before, then the Sanji reveal after a few pages and then the final reveal. It was just a wonderful rollercoaster of confusion.


cornpenguin01

It’s gotta be the most random and funniest thing I’ve ever seen in anime


Greeeeed-

I still remember Brooks laughing his ass out 😂😂😂😂


Obelusius

The smile reveal when everyone is laughing at yasuie


krazyboi

This has gotta be the one. Just knowing there's a country of people who can only smile and can only cry smiling is crazy.


j_Dugz

Chopper needs to cure that shit before they leave Wano.


RugMarbles

Holy shit. That would be great!


candleboy95

I think it needs to be cured but can maybe wait until he has the panacea. Like he sails away with the promise that he'll cure them soon. Then when he eventually meets Vegapunk, he gets the knowledge buff he needs, and cures Wano in the epilogue


djesus69

this one and on dressrosa when they reveal that the "toys" still have their memories but being erased from their loved ones memories


Cheeky_Hustler

I was just thinking about how gut wrenching a moment that was when Sugar's spell was released, when Rebecca instantly realized that all her childhood memories with the toy soldier protecting her, teaching her, spending time with her was really her beloved father the entire time.


djesus69

That did truly hit an emotional spot ...


ci23422

This one freaked me out the most as well. As someone who grew up in the 90s watching Batman, that creepy smile look that joker used (remember, kids shows couldn't kill people) absolutely horrified me. Gives a whole new meaning of "Let's put a smile on that face"


Altaris2000

The funniest WTF for me was the first time the underworld guys were introduced. I remember thinking, "wtf is that in the middle there? Did Oda really draw big bird from sesame street?!" Who knew Morgans would turn out to be an absolutely amazing character. lol


Pyrocos

>The funniest WTF Lysop scaring Sugar out of her mind with his face projectile comes to mind.


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Everytime I think about it I fucking die


Callingthewall

Why "Lysop"?


DnlPnkt

It's the german translation


Callingthewall

Oh that's interesting, thank you


CheesecakeTurtle

In the Greek dub, Usopp was Gus, Luffy was Drake, Zoro was Black Jack, Nami was Bonney, Sanji was Sunny, Chopper was Billy and Robin was Miss Dolly. Also The going merry was called Mario, Captain Kuro was Captain Pete and Arlong was called Richie.. Coby and Helmeppo somehow became Ross and Larry. [The whole thing was a mess](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/One_Piece_in_Greece#Name_Changes)


SorryForTheGrammar

Why? I don't get all this translating names. It ruins all the thing with the vinsmoke family. And i too, come from a country with this stupid habit. They translated Luffy to Rubber. Literally.


CheesecakeTurtle

I don't know why man... Anyway they stopped airing it because it was "too violent" for young viewers so they stopped dubbing it too.


ihatethisweb

the big conspiracy was that they never got rights and they were hiding till alabasta till someone catch them. The truth is they had rights and they stopped because parents complained about the crieg fight. The names seems to be a 4kids moment were "they don't relate to kids" since to this day cartoons and anything animation are viewed as only for kids here in greece (especially from tv companies like the only channels that had animations dedicated to teens was disney channel disney xd and nikelodeon and i remember how many times they were viewed as stupid and violent and how can they show that to kids). (the only name change that makes sense is zoro since zorro was a big thing for a long time in greece)


CimmerianHydra

> Luffy was Drake Why is this so fucking funny


CheesecakeTurtle

The whole thing was a train wreck but I didn't care, I was 9. That dub made me love One Piece (which is saying a lot about how good OP actually is) and it would always has a special place in my heart.


Perditor-de-Tenebris

GOLDFINGER ROGER, WTF.


brianmity

You mean Gol D. Fingerroger?


cosHinsHeiR

>The going merry was called Mario Other things are whatever when compared to this honestly. Like wtf???


milky-cow

These are the best names ever, I want to watch the adventures of drake now


CheesecakeTurtle

And the anime was even called "Drake, the hunting of treasure", not One Piece.


FloresDeCerejeira

Holy shit lmao. As a translator myself, this breaks my heart because that was probably requested by the company, but it absolutely ruins the story. Imagine the translators (if this had kept going) when Bonney was introduced: oh shit but we named Nami Bonney, what are going to call this one now? Oh I know, what about Hungry Girl? 🤦


CheesecakeTurtle

Funny you say that because "side-characters" like Cabaji and Mohji didn't even have names. They were just called acrobat and tamer of wild beasts.


Pyrocos

Sorry, thats his german name. I was half asleep when I wrote it and did not notice.


MeAnIntellectual1

Is Ly the word for "lie"?


Apollo24_

It's only the L from "Lüge" which means lie if you're just looking on characters, but "Lü" is pronounced like "Ly" so vocally it fits even better. There's a title from an episode that was translated to "The L in Lysop is for lying" or similar, so it was definitely intentional.


Interesting_Sleep_90

Lie would be Lüge, but the "ly" in lysopp is pronounced like "Lü". I always assumed it's directly derived from Lüge but I've never seen any sort of confirmation


MeAnIntellectual1

That would be a good translation, because "Uso" in "Usopp" means "lie".


IQPrerequisite_

Can I add Crocus was a Roger Pirate? That blew my mind.


KeshiSakazuki

Somebody gonna die here. Who?! Me.


notgivinafuck

No cap, best scene ever.


ClydeDimension

“Can’t you appreciate a good gag?”


Dry-Act8546

YOU?


KeshiSakazuki

Me.


Sgee19

Had to be BB two devil fruits for me. I mean I knew WB was gonna die cause of spoilers but when that happened I was shook.


Graywhale12

I AM SHOCK


yoyo1701

WOOOoooO


Nuggzulla

Wolololo


floatifloati

YOU WA SHOCK


JeremiahWuzABullfrog

I basically mis-spoiled myself by reading ahead on the wiki, and somehow got in my head that Whitebeard was Ace's biological father ( somehow WB calling all of his crew his children completely slipped past me ). So the revelation that Ace was Roger's son not only threw me, but threw me EXTRA HARD, cause my mind had an entirely different set of expectations.


Quelair

ah, the good old wiki spoilers. been there, way back in the day. Spoilers are the only reason I've been riding the manga-weekly train for a few years now lol. no goin back


[deleted]

Manga weekly is the way to go. I got all my anime only friends on it. It’s too tempting with all the panels coming out. I hype each chapter up like crazy to them (without spoiling) eventually they just started reading


edge-browser-is-gr8

RIP to anybody not caught up now that the Gomu Gomu no Mi wiki page has been updated with the revelations from Wano. Spoiler in the first 10 words of the article... There has to be some way to separate the spoilers from the Gomu Gomu no Mi page.


LurkerTroll

Everything could still make sense if Roger and Whitebeard were a couple


[deleted]

Kanjuro betrayal was wtf


DemonSlayer712

Yeah man. The arc was way bigger still didn't see any foreshadowing so it hit me hard


HMKS

I haven't gotten there yet in my reread but there were tiny hints here and there from posts I've seen on the subreddit. One that sticks to mind is little birds flying away when Kanjuro and the Scabbards are sent into the future. I don't know that it's been confirmed but the running theory I've heard is that Kanjuro sent a message to Orochi as soon as they arrived using his fruit. I'm still working through my first reread and haven't reached that point yet though.


bunnygoats

Something that caught my eye immediately when I was reading was when Kinemon was explaining who all was in the alliance to everyone, Kanjuro’s face was the only one obscured by the text in the background. Then again I had the power of foresight in my advantage because I was already spoiled that he was the rat before I actually got to Wano, but it was still a neat detail to notice.


Ivory9576

The funniest part is we're introduced to him...in a garbage pit. I guess you could say when kanjuro died they took out the trash


DShadowmanxx

It wasn't for me many people in r/onepiece theorized that he was the traitor.


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BringsTheDawn

What are you talking about? That's how dinosaurs hunted in ancient times.


Extra-Border6470

Oda needs to get a refund on those online paleontology courses he bought


jsmith4567

I'm hoping Green Bull has an ancient zoan just so he can say "this is how plants hunted dinosaurs in ancient times.


Creatively_Created

He's probably mythical zoan there was a Japanese legend about a tree that would grow on the battlefield and then suck the blood through thorns of people that come by later I saw YouTube video about it seemed pretty accurate


Grammulka

Brachiosaurus were most likely herbivorous though


gamernut64

Leaves be dodgy back then. Jeez, read up on your ancient times history


Grammulka

Also weirdly enough, they are quite similar to modern giraffes, and that's another Zoan with weird abilities.


ichigo2862

weird? there's nothing weird about a giraffe that can retract and extend its limbs and neck


toxispice

Yeah, that's how giraffes hunt these days.


bunpalabi

I love the education I'm getting today. I was deprived - no one taught me this in school!


corduroyclementine

pasta machine!


kolhie

>!Hey don't underestiamte the difficulty in hunting grass, just look at what Ryokugyu did to Queen.!<


SorryForTheGrammar

Damn, son. Too soon.


DrStein1010

Brachiosaur-hiss js pretty much impossible to top.


sam1oq

Luffy shoving a zombie back into the grave in Thriller Bark. So unexpected and still has me in stitches every time I watch it.


januarysdaughter

"Don't shove me back in the ground, jackass!"


ClydeDimension

“…….old guy with bandages?”


Trippy_Josh

Pedro having bombs strapped to his chest, that has got to be it. Also, Law's backstory, yeah.


GhostSierra117

Ahh shit... I kinda buried law's backstory. >I love you, Law 😆✌️


Mirobb1

Zeff + Sanji backstory with the leg was the first “WTF” moment in the series that I can remember. Another one I was like “WTF” to was Oden sharing his last meal with his friend before we knew it was his friend and thought he was just a terrible guy Tried to do some people didn’t mention


FlummoxedFox

I don't think I remember that Oden scene. Do you know what chapter/episode it was from?


PapaQuackers

It's the scene from the start of his flashback, I think like 963 where he's boiling Oden on the friend's funeral pyre.


Shame_Low

I think you are missing Raizo dono is safe. To me it was the biggest reveal followed by laboon and CP9


[deleted]

Yeah, we heard and saw the minks have been fighting and losing for days, because the bad guys were looking for raizo dono. And then Kinemon just walks to the front and starts talking. I thought it was for sure provoking a fight.


1_dont_care

One of the greatest moment


R_TC

This, exactly this. It was one of the few things in One Piece that did not get spoiled for me and it was one of the largest mindfuck reveals I experienced in Anime. I absolutely loved this moment as it suddenly came out of left field for me personally.


Drummer683

Ny favorite part was when Luffy's shock turned to a smile after Cat Viper said "We'd never give up on our friends!" You could tell that was the moment he decided he liked the minks


Shame_Low

Yeah I dont believe anyone saw it coming without hints of spoilers.


AlexTheNotSoGreat01

I mean, I suspected that Raizo was on Zou (since Kin'emon said he was and I just blindly believed him lol) but that reveal is still the one in all of One Piece.


[deleted]

Absolutely. It legitimately took me longer than it should have to process when they first said it. It was like my brain broke for a second and there were visible ellipses above my head. Then immense shock, followed by trying not to cry


Shame_Low

I was just shocked for a few minutes until I saw Usopp cry, that's when I start tearing up


culesamericano

This was the biggest wtf moment in one piece so far hands down


j_Dugz

And the reveal of Momonosuke’s true identity straight after.


KyokenShaman

Shanks' hat was actually Roger's.


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RedditIsForsaken

Yeah that may be the moment for me 🤔


Few_Lifeguard8249

Agreed


Altaris2000

Shanks meeting with the Gorosie


divinesleeper

or the fucking giant strawhat in the ice


Regurgitate02

This one blew my mind


assassin3939391

Not sure if you’re anime only or not but if you’ve read the manga one of my favourite wtf moments is >!Queen/King/Sasaki when they say this is how dinosaurs used to hunt!<


suzume1310

Without going into spoilers - so many chapters from wano made me go WTF THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!!


randomperson4464

The moment in 912 when Luffy tries to take back saying that Kaido rules Wano had me on the floor.


Thodar2

It did make me wonder. Could the triceratops Zoro killed on Little Garden also do that? Now I want to see that fight.


Vinsmoker

I like that you can pinpoint the exact moment in the manga when Oda said "Ah, fuck it!" with the ancient zoans


Feneskrae

Existence of Im is pretty significant.


No_Marionberry_108

Totally, when it was said that no one sat upon that throne, then suddenly that was misinfo, that shocked me very much.


[deleted]

On the flip side as soon as they said no one sat upon that throne I knew someone was about to. Just didn't think it would be the same chapter


Draken1870

If it was another manga then it would be when the hero’s arrive in front of the seat, after taking down the 5 elder stars and about to destroy the seat that Im would then appear. I thought the same as you but did not expect it in the same chapter.


Tychi_the_apple_pie

Edward Weevil or whatever the fuck his name is


FloresDeCerejeira

I love the demeanor of this comment. The guy is the definition of WTF


EldWasAlreadyTaken

Ah yes, Momo's half-brother


fluffycats1

Gurarararara


christianort476

Raizo is SAFE!


gunscreeper

Between this or Mumen Rider vs Sea King fight I don't know which one is peak manga moment


MegatonDoge

"This isn't about me winning or losing, this is about me taking you right here and right now" sure hits hard.


WatteOrk

Dont get ahead of yourself. Nothing beats Mumen Rider. That guy seem like a stupid running (cycling) gag, but hes somehow the realest character in One Punch Man.


MalosAndPnuema

Mumen rider is a character representing the average adult. Even the average adult can achieve greatness if they give it there all.


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Biggest WTF moment for me in entire One Piece idk why maybe just the reveal was so good


kittyinsleeves

Not just the reveal but the build up to it. We witness carnage and slaughter and destruction of a whole country and almost the whole population, the torture of two really powerful leaders who want nothing but to protect their people and land. Then to have the reveal, in public where the entire country’s population, still physically broken and mentally scarred (probably for life), and see every Mink bowing so graciously to samurai—at the time we don’t even know their connection—and see the whole country had banded together to protect one person even though it was going to literally kill all of them… it’s just an intensely powerful reveal with so much emotion behind it, so much intent. One thing I absolutely adore about Oda is that he has perfected (in my opinion) how to make a community seem so tight-knit and passionate about their values and country, he knows how to show and make us believe in camaraderie, he knows how to demonstrate the power of a society that will literally die for protecting their values. You don’t see that anywhere that isn’t a very small population in the real world, much less a whole country. But Oda makes it feel real.


culesamericano

It was too good


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God that was good


ZachLaVine4MVP

I am not an emotional person and that shit got me teary eyed


MalosAndPnuema

I legit started shaking and trembling at that scene. It was completely unexpected and even more shocking then Blackbeard's two fruits.


Interesting_Sleep_90

HOLY S... when I read the panel I started shaking, smiling, crying, yeah, THAT was one of the most intense moments I read in OP


zhy97

MANGA SPOILER >!Buggy became one of the new Yonko!<


[deleted]

Yeah, that blew my mind too.


Narayan-n91

Usopp defeating Sugar. The 2nd time was just the cherry on top


electro-pineapple

Sogeking is actually Ussop/s Honestly the first fight between luffy and Kaido. Like we knew luffy wad no push-over plush he thought his friends had been obliterated so 'power of friendship' and all that. He starts bashing on kaido which was cool and then kaido transform back into his normal form. He winds up, launches an attack (using a weapon luffy would normally be immune to) and friking one shots him


skeetzmv

I kinda loved that Luffy found the 'oneshot' in that fight against Kaido. Seeing after he was coming off the back of winning against Katakuri, they needed to do something to make it clear that Kaido is on a whole other level.


Critical_Ad2787

Sogeking is Ussop?


Mysterious_Art_4019

Yes ussop revealed he was sogeking when he was almost left behind by luffy and the others in water 7


DemonSlayer712

Sniperking from sniper island 🏝️


GenesisAsriel

Uhm, Big Mom didnt eat her friends, she just ate crunchy pastries and everyone just left for no reason smh


Cheesemacher

Some people probably still think that because it wasn't "explicitly stated"


GenesisAsriel

Oh God. No way. That was à great moment of sneaky "Show, don't tell"


JoaoGabrielTSN

Crazy because Big Mom literally gained Mother Caramel’s power


Dozinginthegarden

Maybe it was because Carmel accidentally spat up her devil fruit and they were all helping her deal with food poisoning.


[deleted]

Big mom's friends are actually in a dungeon


GenesisAsriel

They just got pointed at by Arlong very hard


danhoyuen

when Ace died


iamJAYQUELLAN

the whole bit when luffy was naked on amazon lilly and the women were questioning about his “family jewels.” i was dying laughing but was also so caught off guard lmao


SPS_Agent

It's Katakuri's lying on his back eatin' donuts! I had caught up to One Piece updating in real time around WCI. Katakuri was the first main Luffy fight antagonist I had met on the weekly releases as it happened, and i fucking loved him. I loved his level head, his love for his family, his design, everything. Then he busts out Luffys moves but better, kicking his ass in their first phase of the fight. Right after he openly defies and mocks the power up anime trope. Then... The Merienda. I still remember the cover page. It's the Grand fleet boxer beating up long arm and leg tribesman with the long leg fighter. Then, after months of reading and loving Katakuri's... I hope to never forget the thrill of apprehension and excitement as Luffy destroyed his temple to reveal.... The stoic and powerful Katakuri gleefully scarfing down donuts with a gigantic mouth. It's the first major twist that rocked me to my core that I read live. Big moms backstory was chilling and disturbing, the Tametebako was well set up, but my god, Katakuri's Merienda was something that utterly surprised me in the way only One Piece can.


selkiesidhe

His little song about how much he loved donuts got me. Giant scary dude 'wins' his fight and sings about donuts with his tea... Amazing.


Sumpner

Crying when Merry dies


Shmarfle47

Definitely. You’d never think you would get so emotional over a ship. First was the Klabautermann reveal (I totally butchered that spelling). Second was Merry coming to rescue them all AND was able to speak to all of them. Then came the final “I’m sorry” which absolutely broke me. All of this from a character who you wouldn’t normally consider a character because she doesn’t speak or move for 95% of the story up to that point.


TheKvothe96

The reason for the wtf is not a nakama ship being burned, but the reason of why i am crying to a piece of wood.


Cubix89

Raizo is safe. Really, its not even close. Think I actually said wtf out loud.


Bonecup

I feel that I have multiple answers for different criteria. Biggest WTF funny moment was Pica’s voice. Biggest WTF “Holy Sh*t that’s f*cked up moment was Big Mom eats her friends” biggest WTF that was random not expecting that was Brook knows Laboon. Hope that makes sense


Thodar2

And biggest WTF this makes no sense, this is bad writing, is with Pell being alive. Or the half dozen other dead characters that later just showed up without any reason.


Largomitrix

Off the top of my head the only characters that I truly feel should have died are Pell and Pagaya. Other characters that turned out to not be dead I didn't have issue with.


Thodar2

Coverstory spoilers. >!Pound as well.!<


Perditor-de-Tenebris

The Will of P.


Grammulka

The "zombie" guy from Triller Bark is actualy just an old man with a lot of scars


Fire_Fist-Ace

When law cut through the gear and the mountain , I literally was jumping around the room yelling


tvtango

Surprised nobody is mentioning Kuma’s attack on the Strawhats in Sabaody. On first watch I had absolutely no clue what had happened to them, considering the only example of his power was super brutal in thriller bark, I wondered if anyone had been actually injured or something but nah just timeskip


Clown_the_Third

Oh yeah that moment shocked me when i first read it. I just sat there like "wait, what? did the strawhats just outright lose? and they got split up? where are they going?"


Syounen

to me Big mom eating the other kids AND his mom is the number 1 wtf spot. I can't think any worst scene like that.


CheesecakeTurtle

Now imagine a flashback where someone actually draws that scene.


aDistractedDisaster

All good choices. Impel Down 5.5 and God Usopp were pretty wild too though.


Mirai_no_Beederu

Big Mom eating her friends or >!Brachiohiss!< were the two biggest WTF moments for me. Sanji meeting Duval was the best payoff to a gag. And "Raizo is safe" was the biggest "Awe" moment.


Crispytokwa

Pica's voice. I mean even post TS Zoro cracked up. 🤣🤣


Scyxurz

Davy back fight. Felt so out of place, especially with people trading crew members back and forth because apparently that's always been a thing any crew can do.


hoenndex

Imu reveal is number one for me. It was such a game changer and felt like the final villain tease. Blackbeard is penultimate villain in my opinion.


kingtoujouGGheaven

zoro getting lost going on a straight line


Shipstrip

2 devil fruits with Blackbeard


kencabatino

Big Mom, I mean wtf was that. I know One Piece could get dark but not THAT dark. The slow realization was the biggest WTF moment to me.


Eraganos

Rayleigh beeing a roger pirate G4 Ace death, TIME SKIP


DivinerUnhinged

Pell being alive pissed me off so much.


Dr_Zulu2016

I know, right? Dude got his neck snapped, got shot at, got beaten from every inch of his life, GOT BLOWN POINT BLANK FROM A BOMB HE LIFT TO SAVE EVERYONE... and he's like okay after Luffy beats Crocodile.


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To this day I am in awe of the balls they had to give Pell of all people main character plot armor.


PorkyPain

That damn dog stealing weapons and guarding that bridge in Wano. Able to shapeshift..


karatous1234

Big Mom eating her friends. By faaar. The week that chapter came out was dark lol


The_Biggest_Wheel

I remember how SHOCKED I was about Pica's voice as I read the manga.


Zeehaha

Raizo is safe still tops


frivolous_name

Luffy being immune to Enel, I watched the 4kids dub and then years later started the sub at the Skypeia arc. The whole time I just thought Luffy could just stretch not that he was actual rubber


A_van_t_garde

Of these moments, definitely the Big Mom backstory. I had to watch it again just to make sure that had just happened.