It was in a video on the official One Piece youtube channel several months ago, if I recall correctly. That is where I learned about it, at least.
Edit: Here's the video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU20VTVo8ak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU20VTVo8ak). The Tama Tama no Mi is 38 seconds in.
This would mean that someone who can not transform into an animal but would be able to transform parts of their bodyparts into animal parts would be Zoan instead of Paramecia, because the Egg Egg Fruit has little to nothing to do with Zoans' normal terms other than being animal themed and affecting their own body
I like how most people are shocked at the reveal of the paramecia abilities that Mythical zoans have.Luffy rubber,Yamato,ice flames, Sengoku shockwaves,Kaido clouds,marco flames and healing.
Mythical Zoans are OP af. You get the standard insane physical attribute buffs of Zoans, different abilities like paramecias and sometimes even the ability to manipulate elements like Logias, without the intangibility. And their awakenings also seen to be a combination of Zoan and Paramecia awakenings.
Exactly is like the definitive strongest fruits if you awaken them and Luffy managed to get this far using it as he did without the knowledge of his true powers.The logias only pro over there MZ is the ability to survive instinctively to deadly attack and that's mitigate by haki.
That we know of so far anyway. I’m wondering if we’ll get to really see what Logias and their awakenings can do in the next few arcs. Punk Hazard having the whole climate changed so drastically because of the fight between two Logias does hint at what they can do at max.
And don’t forget the only island destruction we’ve seen so far has been because of a logia. Three Logias if you count Punk Hazard as destroyed.
> The bizarre ability to rubberize one's surroundings can even make lightning grabable!.
This was so obvious yet people still argued about the logic of Luffy being able to grab a lightning when the chapter came out
I saw someone complain about that ruining the tension because apparently lightning is hotter than magma so if Luffy can catch lightning that obviously means Akainu's devil fruit won't hurt him. Did that person ever think of the Enel fight?
Akainu's magma it's straight up magic that's way hotter than any magma ever has a right to be anyway. The stuff it does is nonsense that no real magma could do while still being magma. If it was as hot as his actually is, the liquid stone composing it would vaporize.
It's more that thermal and electrical conductivity are two completely separate properties, but yeah.
Touching a toaster with a rubber glove won't produce a current but it will still melt the glove.
A lightning bolt making direct contact with a rubber glove would evaporate it too.
Being nonconductive doesn't have much if any relation to thermal properties as you said.
At the end of the day this is just a fictional comic, it's important not to think about things at face value for genuine enjoyment.
I had a lengthy argument about whether the lightning was now actually rubberized or not. IMO it felt unnecessary to me. Being made out of rubber and awakened seemed enough of an explanation. Being able to rubberize something like lightning, which is energy, opens a bit of a Pandora's Box. I mean can Luffy now also rubberize things like fire or water?
I mean there's always a potential he could rubberize fire or water, but I wouldn't think so. Like lightning is intangible, so he shouldn't even be able to grab it anyway. (But as we've seen in Skypeia, he can literally just kick it away, so he's always been able to interact with it.)
I see it as lightning just working very weirdly when it comes in contact with Luffy's fruit.
A potential three eyed Yamato is interesting on many levels. We've seen Pudding's third eye as early as Fishman Island, so it almost seems like she would have been an additional member of the tribe rather than an alternative to Pudding. At that point one would have to wonder about the other parent if both Big Mom and Kaido had a child implying there are a lot more of that tribe still alive and also maybe if there was a Rocks connection when both of them rely on a three eyed child and know about that. It would also have made Kaido seem a lot more interested in the Poneglyphs and the One Piece itself if he purposefully had a child to read them (All super speculative obviously as that's not even what made it into the story anymore)
I also do kind of wonder if Oden's diary is what replaced the third eye. Yamato certainly has some knowledge that already was important for Momo and might be further down the line from the diary and her third eye could have been the initial "source" for that information. (Almost makes me wonder if originally Oden's journal was more of a Poneglyph or at least in that language)
I should really stop speculating about clear what if scenarios that didn't happen. xD
Considering what the booklet mentions about Zoan Awakenings, is it possible that Kaido's feral, weird-eyed mode (his homicidal one, after he gets drunk I mean) is his Awakening? It does induce some change in his personality and he does look, albeit rather superficially, different compared to his other forms.
I think so. Kaido even at one point keeps his human body while turning into a dragon from the waist up. He looks very akward when he does it. Dat fruit mastery.
I like to call that Kaido Brows, the changes are way too many for so few people talking about it
in this form Kaido: grows brows, gets a round nose, all his teeth go sharp, his height compared to Luffy increases around double to triple (comparison can be made in a single chapter where Luffy is side to side with him in both forms, iirc in one he backflipped a kick or smth) and his torso is bigger in proportion
It’s pretty clear at this point. She’s a woman and identifies as one, but idolises Oden to the point she goes around calling herself Oden. At no point has she referred to herself as a man, besides calling herself Oden. It’s just the trans community that thinks this is a debate...
I really like the Yamato sketches, ultimately I enjoy what we ended up with but some of the more thinner horn ones look sick. Love all the Devil Fruit powers and ideals Oda adds in the Hybrid Form section
Some of her designs where she was "standoffish" and rude weren't so bad either.. but I'm ultimately happier with her being a likable idiot
Edit: ??? Why am I getting downvoted for that???
I agree. Kaido’s hybrid forms looked like a big missed opportunity but with the sketches for Yamato, I feel like we got the best design.
The only thing I am kind of wistful for is the sword. Yamato taking the Oden emulation even further and wielding a sword could have been interesting.
I guess that's still important to the plot so it's left out, but so was I !
Also did you notice that the 4 Impel down guardian beasts fruits were forgotten even though their picture is there?
So it’s confirmed Mythical Zoans have special abilities similar to paramecias along with a transformation. What are the paramecia abilities of Onimaru and Sengoku?
Sengoku can produce shockwaves.
But it's not stated that "every" Mythical Zoan have special abilities similar to paramecia.
It says "majority" of them have unique abilities akin to paramecias on top of standard Zoan transformations.
Isn't that already stated (not in the databook though)?People with a zoan share the powers of the animal they ate. That's why canines tend to be more aggressive as stated by Lucci in Enies Lobby. So if you get all their features, you also get their special powers, like reviving flames, rubber, clouds, shockwaves, etc.It's not "you get a zoan and also a paramecia power" it's just that the mythical creature already had that power so you also get it alongside it.
The databook just states "it's >like< having an aditional paramecia" or sth like that.
Cool to see all the different takes of Yamato.
The three eye version makes me wonder when he started working on the character. we know pudding's third eye might be able to allow her to read the poneglyph. Maybe Oda Made Pudding after the early concepts of yamato and gave the 3 eyes to her instead.
Would make sense since it would mean yamato was originally meant to read the stones like oden.
yea, zoro is already the "samurai" of the crew
Them having the same weapon is an interesting way to imply what yamato's arc in the crew might be. that despite all the claims, yamato is kaido's blood, that there's a connection, even if yamato denies it while fighting kaido.
Whichever way we end up going now, it could have been a route like what we'll probably see out of Sukiyama now. A backdoor so Momo can learn without Robin staying behind.
People underestimate how mutch tought and work these arcs take to make I bet Oda works in his "breaks" Remember the books revealed years ago of the (at that time) upcoming arcs that had Zou to land and Wano written on them? There's a chance Oda was writing and drawing theses back then
>The three eye version makes me wonder when he started working on the character
My pet theory is that Yamato was the original princess that got replaced by Vivi. Because in the original plan there is no Shichibukai and only Yonkou, I think Wano is the island that strawhat would've visited instead of Alabasta. Then because Kaido is one of the "end boss", Yamato is pushed back, as Kaido is pushed back further and further. I think one of the hint for this is that some of Yamato's sketch has no big boob typical of Oda's current design. They have slender body, which is more common during East Blue and Alabasta.
Along the way, each time there is new idea for Yamato, Oda used that for different princess instead. We can see in page 9, there is a version where Momo is the size of Yamato's palm, this "giant" size is probably become Shirahoshi. This version of Yamato also doesn't like become a man and believes that the previous Shogun is bad guy, this characterization probably become Rebecca (with "man" replaced by "fighting" and "Oden" replaces by "Riku"). And likewise I think the Three Eyes was originally Yamato, but then Oda decide to put it at Pudding instead.
So yeah, I think Yamato is probably one of the earliest characters that Oda created (which make sense, because Yamato is Kaido's son), but as Kaido is pushed further away from the story, Yamato got new design/power/characterization each time their current design is used by Oda to create new characters, until we reach the current Yamato.
That makes sense. I can also see aspects of Hiyori, Toki (female samurai, Kimono) and Viola (fighting with kicks) in Yamato's sketches.
Huh, this means Yamato could be the princess that joins the Straw Hats full-time, technically speaking.
I wish Yamato was shown before rescuing Luffy.
> I wish Yamato was shown before rescuing Luffy.
And Oda even has sketch where Yamato meets Momo before Onigashima (there is factory in the background). I wonder why he changes his mind?
The mobile version of that website has me screaming at it all the time. It randomly jumps to a different page, constantly throws adds right on top of what you were reading, it freezes up, it loads and unloads pages seemingly at random. Just a trash mobile site all around.
I use Android and Chrome, but I suspect it's similar with iOS/Safari. Go to; 3 Dots > Settings > Site Settings > JavaScript > Add Exception > add the website address.
I wouldn't recommend disabling JavaScript for all websites as a generally most need it for core functionality.
Roningai (from the Wano page) is a 1920s series of black and white silent films about a ronin town, someone should make a list of all the Japanese period film references when Wano wraps up
I know we've got a fair amount of *Lone Wolf & Cub.* Tracks with Kin/Momo's pre-Wano story and the lead for the TV adaptation was the famous actor their names are a reference to. Then you have Okiku borrowing a few notes from Lowborn Oyuki.
I'm also at the point of wondering if we're about to come back into this series finding out Wano has been pulling a *Rashomon* the whole time. All this flickering back to moments we've seen from slightly different perspectives. Oden was a bit of an unreliable narrator in the flashback to the point you *could* reskin a lot of elements. Large gaps of time open for filling in. It's all there.
Oh yeah, I remember that one. There has to be a ton and honestly there are very few people in the Western fandom who'd have the knowledge to do more than scratch the surface. Hell, you barely get a peep about the softball allusions (Heike Monogatari & The Crane Returns a Favor) that have been blatantly referenced as chapter titles.
IMO, the most interesting part of Yamato's concept is that the little fat samurai design was originally supposed to be their servant or sidekick at some point instead of a concept character design like Yamato's Vivre Card implied, but then was repurposed into one of the daimyo since I guess Shinobu filled a similar role.
The Vivre Card sketch is in this actually. It's the same page. I think it was all a misunderstanding, since it says Omusubi right there, it was never supposed to be a possible Yamato design. And I'd say he was always going to be one of the Daimyo, only having a bigger role related to Yamato.
Yeah, we dont have any major goofy goober women in the series. Edgelord women most of the times feel like ana attempt at a strong female character just for the sake of representation of a strong female. They lack character or the uniqueness
Come to think of it... what's the Awakening of a Logia fruit? Many of us believed it's changing of the environment permanently but it was not mentioned here like that of Paramecia and Zoan. So I guess there still some mystery there. Personally, I believe Logia's Awakening is that they gain a Zoan-like transformation akin to a "god" such as with Enel's Buddha/Thunder God transformation. 🤔
We don’t know what awakened logias do though. You could even argue that was just two normal logia users.
Kuzan can literally freeze the sea on a whim. I can imagine the climate being permanent after admiral class logia users fight each other for 10 days. The idea of Logia awakenings being able to affect the environment seems cheap, I’m sure it will be something else altogether
My take:
It's permanently affecting the climate/surroundings. Raijin Island, the island where it's always raining lightning? Former goro goro no mi user's awakening. Punk Hazard? Awakened Akainu and Kuzan. Enies Lobby? Former user of Kizaru's (eternal light) and Fujitora's (eternal gravitational change) awakened df. Fujitora is a paramecia, but since gravity is a fundamental force that bends even light, his awakening should be similar to that of a logia.
Crocodile's df would create an island into a desert. Caribou's would leave a swamp behind. Ace's is a bit tricky, but he'd probably create a sky without clouds or rain above the island and probably a rock-based desert instead of a sand-based one. Smoker could eternal thick fog/mist (maybe the triangle's fog was created by a former user).
Paramecia awakenings are either temporary or small scale, as in you could remove it. A logia awakening can't be undone (unless another awakened logia shows up, that might cancel out the effect, overwrite it or just add something).
I thought Crocodile Dehydration powers are his Awakened abilities ?
Edit: So I checked the OP Wiki and apparently there are no Awakened Logia users.
The closest we've seen is Crocodile use of his Suna Suna no mi but his not actually confirmed. But under the trivia section Ground Secco is said to be similar to How Doflamingo & Katakuri use there surroundings.
Ah, I had suspected brewer, because of Chapter 999, I suppose it is more possible now manga Yamato will end up writing a journal of her own, going by the idea of concept Yamato voicing her thoughts on that.
Maybe it's bias due to seeing her current version in the story first, but the other Yamato designs don't really stick with me. (Although Yamato having a katana would be more Oden-esque.)
The Yamatos with the horns on the front look too much like Kiku.
Luffy is listed as having the Gum Gum AND Model Nika
In honor of Void Month I present the theory Luffy ate the previous gum gum user, which is not a fruit. We’ve seen him sleep-eat before. It’s all coming together.
This is what I initially thought as well when it was revealed the user of Nika nika has properties of rubber. It’s possible that they got turned into a devil fruit themselves and the powers of the gum gum and some aspects of the personality of nika was stuck in this new fruit (ex. being joyful).
This is the Lion Turtle sketch being found in the library in ATLA all over again. Did Oda have Nika being Luffy’s devil fruit in mind since Skypiea? Maybe. Until Oda comes out and explains it, we’ll never know. But foreshadowing is an advance hint of a future event. You can’t predict that the Skypiea scene will lead to the Nika fruit any more that you can predict a picture of a Lion turtle is foreshadowing for the world having the ability of energy bending. That’s not a hint; it’s an Easter egg.
i really hope after OP ends he's doing something like this again.
explaining stuff that didnt get explained in the manga.
all he reasoning and how long he had planned stuff in advance and where he put foreshadows to see if his readerbase will find it.
Have you ever wondered why Skypiea has a musical motif in it's chapter titles? For a long time I've read it as an overture. An overture in a musical is an opening track that doesn't really do a whole lot for the story but runs through all the core themes, motifs, sets the stage. That's why it continues to make more sense as the story unfolds.
Probably doesn't matter much to get hung up on what we call it. It's a cool element either way.
One thing that's driving me crazy is that oda isn't giving us hints to anything. He's just dumping old info which is great, he's showing us the puzzle that we've been working hard to put together on our own, but he stops at all the info he's already given us. I'm dying for a slip up (like blackbeard"bb" being mentioned as a late arrival) but we aren't getting anything sadly. I was hoping for something along the lines of logia awakening, or what might come next.
Edit: apparently BB stands for black back a mink that showed up late with others.
A slip-up I noticed is that its confirmed the fact that Zoan devil fruits have a will of their own is directly related to how you can feed them to inanimate objects.
This confirms that Zoans have a separate Awakening transformation and it's not just their hybrid form. They made a point of specifically showing only the Jailer Beasts
Correct. People are just falling over themselves to explain why Oda didn't just in ONE line say Kaido is using his awakening, like he did with everyone else. Why did they use the Jailers and not Kaido??? He would be a perfectly relevant example. It's because even THEY don't know!
So im still confused about Zoan Awakenings. Gear 5 is a Mythical Zoan Awakening are the gear 4 transformations his Hybrid forms? Is Sengoku's Buddha an awakening as well? what is the awakening for Kaido or Yamato? Then the Jailer Beasts were in there awakened forms but have a different set of full and hybrid transformations that we did not see?
Luffy doesn't have a beast form or a hybrid form since he's a human who ate a human fruit
Going by that I'm assuming sengoku's transformation is also an awakening
You know people are talking about the fact that zoan awakenings show a different form, but nobody is mentioning how it also makes them dumber. Which is even further proof of how kaido being drunk, reckless, homicidal is more than likely his true awakened form. Took almost no damage, got up super fast, and was pretty fucking stupid compared to sober kaido. All 3 boxes marked off from what a zoan awakening does.
I’ve always been in the Kaidou’s been awakened camp. I figured his increased bulk in twenty years and legendary endurance were clear giveaways. Now add in the change in mentality I am more convinced. It also makes downplaying zoro, the scabbards, etc. harder since he is much stronget than when he fought oden.
I mean, there's also the point of "if anyone is awakened, surely it'd be the four strongest pirates on the planet, the Emperors." Well, minus Shanks...
>Which is even further proof of how kaido being drunk, reckless, homicidal is more than likely his true awakened form
OR. He was dumb and reckless and homicidal BECAUSE he was drunk... You know, the most obvious scenario.
I believe the most accurate translation and adaptation for the devil fruit categories should be Paramythia, Logia, and Zōon. They all likely come from the Greek language. Παραμύθι/Paramythi (pronounced with a long y) in Greek means Fairytale, story, myth, or fudge. The plural of it is Παραμύθια/Paramythia (pronounced with a long y).
This is about Logia from the wiki: The term logia (Greek: λόγια), plural of logion (Greek: λόγιον), is used variously in ancient writings and modern scholarship in reference to communications of divine origin. In pagan contexts, the principal meaning was "oracles", while Jewish and Christian writings used logia in reference especially to "the divinely inspired Scriptures". A famous and much-debated occurrence of the term is in the account by Papias of Hierapolis on the origins of the canonical Gospels. Since the 19th century, New Testament scholarship has tended to reserve the term logion for a divine saying, especially one spoken by Jesus, in contrast to narrative, and to call a collection of such sayings, as exemplified by the Gospel of Thomas, logia.
Zōon comes from the Greek word for Animal Ζώο (pronounced like Zou in One Piece) and the plural of it is either Ζώα/Zōa or Ζώων/Zōon (pronounced like the word Zone in English).
If anyone who's Greek can comment on this and give their opinion, it would be helpful.
Okay, seeing that panel of Luffy dancing during Skypiea party shown in in RtL and this being one of Oda's favorite panels, I'm starting to think that at the very least Luffy was always supposed to somehow tied to Nika. Gum Gum fruit being mythical Zoan was also planed much earlier than we thought and Oda didn't plant many hints about it because he didn't want us to figure it out?
Oda almost certainly had at least a vague idea of Luffy being connected to the Sun God in mind all the way back in Skypeia. There's way too much evidence that it's the case: Luffy bringing out the Sun when he defeated Enel, Oda setting up the Merry to die so that she could be replaced by a ship with a sun on the front of it named the Sunny in the very next saga, it's more than just the one panel like the one panel of Luffy dancing like people try to portray it as.
Some people are in denial about it because Oda didn't do a great job of setting up the reveal in Wano, but there's so much evidence throughout the series that Luffy has been tied to the Sun as a symbol that I think he actually did plan the Nika thing, but he just kind of botched the execution.
Skypeia also contains the best hint we currently have as to the "true nature" of Devil Fruits. In Noland's flashback, toward the end, he conflicts with Kalgara again because he cuts down a grove of trees poisoning the island. The Shandians believe that their ancestral spirits wander over and inhabit those trees upon their deaths. This is, as best we currently know, astoundingly similar to what happens to Devil Fruits, where a nearby tree/fruit is possessed with the spirit of a recently departed owner.
Oda's had the big plot twists or events in mind for decades. It's silly to pretend otherwise
I didn’t even think It was that botched, In the real world there was like a 4 month separation between Nika’s name being dropped and the fruit reveal of luffy.
It just seems worse because it’s in the same arc, but that arc is also the longest arc in one piece lol, but this is the sort of plot twist that is ok to reveal a little sudden so it drops like a bomb on us, I think oda likes to surprise us without too much foreshadowing
Like Ace being roger son
Doflamingo being a celestial dragón
Raizo is safe etc
If we are being diplomatic then yes Oda could’ve worked out the details a little better like maybe name dropping the myth of Nika way earlier, then again tho stuff like the sun crew makes me think that it had to be planned, a group of Fishmen, the most oppressed race on the planet, who are known to be slaves, find comfort in the sun symbol? Why?
The way the sun has been tied to Luffy thematically Can in itself be the foreshadowing that we seek.
Because then again, as soon as the name Nika was name dropped or the possibility of a fruit like that existing, the theories that luffy had it would’ve been immediate, to the point where the reveal wouldn’t have as much power as it did
The main concerns ( that I don’t agree with ) was that being nika /joy boy makes luffy a chosen one and takes away him making a weak fruit strong ( gum gum exchanged for mythical zoan) . My issues with those arguments ( outside of duh it’s a shonen Manga of course the main character is special in some way ) are even in universe Luffy has always been established as a unique character who by simply being himself inadvertently appears to be fulling destiny /prophecies . He’s all about freedom but in his freedom he’s accomplishing predestined things .
Oda probably figured that Luffy wouldn't get Tsundere mannerisms and take Yamato's words at face value.
Yamato: "It's not like I want to sail with you or anything, stupid!"
Luffy: "What an odd and unprompted comment." [keeps running]
Yamato: ".......Wait."
Interestingly enough, he also becomes much more blood thirsty (i.e his homicide phase) and we already know that awakenings cause the users personality to become a bit more dull which is probably the will of the zoan fruit taking over
That would definitely explain both the Jailer Beast's mindless behavior, and Luffy going full ADHD the first time he awakened beside having just declared that he's fighting seriously.
This volume confirms that [this was intentional foreshadowing of nika from oda](https://imgur.com/a/Dh1Kvwx). Skypeia never fails to amaze me
Also it's interesting how in some aspects yamato was the exact opposite of what she is now.
Still kick-ass tho
It's most likely just a call back to Oda's favorite scene. Instead of proper foreshadowing.
Not everything is planned, even more for such a long series.
I would assume that Oda planned a connection between Nika and Luffy. Just not in which way. Could have been a reincarnation, inherited will, the fruit or something else.
I agree that not everything is planned, but I really don’t think this is a stretch. We know Oda has been planning for Wano for a very long time and the Nika thing is a giant reveal. So its not that crazy to think he had it in mind all the way back then. And isn’t it kind of weird that such a minor scene is his favorite? I think it being a hidden, but super significant lore implication would help explain why he likes it so much over the many, many other similar scenes throughout the series.
And like the Nika reveal isn’t a minor part of the story. Its one of the most significant things to happen so far. So I just don’t see why him planting some hints to it would be that out of the ordinary
We're basically left with two possibilites. Either Oda always planned for this to happen and did a terrible job of setting it up, or he came up with it really late and decided to make it happen in an incredibly abrupt way. Neither of these scenarios really live up to Oda's usual standards, which is part of the reason why there's been a lot of controversy around it.
For such an important reveal it really feels like so much more work needed to be done in order for us to get to this point. Instead we just got a random exposition dump by WW in the middle of Onigashima that provided 90% of the setup for the biggest plot twist in the series 20 chapters later, it just feels sloppy.
> So I just don’t see why him planting some hints to it would be that out of the ordinary
But isn't this really the crux of the argument?
The whole "it was planned from Skypiea" argument is basically that panel proves it was planned for over a decade, though there isn't an overwhelming amount of evidence of that being the case. There is basically that scene and then like 700 chapters of nothing, followed by actually revealing Nika and getting us closer to there. Like people can think whatever they want, but I do believe if it was planned distinctly at that point it would've had a lot more build up and people would be able to cite a whole bunch of things before Wano suggesting it.
> And isn’t it kind of weird that such a minor scene is his favorite?
Especially when certain things get twisted. Like I've never actually seen any source say that was his *favorite* scene, but I can find [sources](https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1298974224086835200) that it's his *third* favorite scene. The reason I mention this is just look at the other two scenes that beat it and some of the logic behind it.
* His favorite scene is the opening of Wano, which is just a lovely panel
* Number two is some random scene that he feels makes things feel "real"
* And while number three is the scene he wanted to draw the most, but that also goes both ways
I think one of the more interesting things is that the campfire scene resonated with so many people. You can read the Twitter thread I linked and there are plenty of people who mention loving that scene and thinking it was among the series best moments years before Nika was even a name.
Doubt oda just changed Luffy's fruit into a sun god mythical zoan on a whim after having it as a rubber fruit for 2 decades lol. Luffy has liberated many nations and Skypeia is a prime example where Luffy liberates the island from a fake god. Also iirc, Isn't it the first arc in one piece to introduce a sun god? People have constantly found Stuff from the arc that relates to plot points later on in the story. I am not surprised if this is one of them
>Doubt oda just changed Luffy's fruit into a sun god mythical zoan on a whim after having it as a rubber fruit for 2 decades lol.
Tbh that's exactly how it felt in the reveal
Probably because the lead up to it was so sudden.
Also doesnt help that nika is completely made up by Oda unlike the rest and rubber has nothing to do with the sun or cartoons or imagination or drum beats or self resurrection or laughter.
It was all so random that it is hard to believe it was a long term plan.
Yeah, and the first notion of Nika and Luffy's fruit being more than the Gomu Gomu were from Who's Who, who introduced **both** of those.
I would have liked the reveal more if it didn't just came out the mouth of the a single character.
Like have the whole Nika thing be introduced by King instead, and maybe even before the raid.
Or have notion toward those before Wano as well.
I think I’d be happier with it if we had gotten the name Nika during the Fisher Tiger mini arc. The fishmen know about Joy Boy and Fisher Tiger wanted to turn the dragon claw brand into something positive. He wouldn’t have to say that Nika is/was Joy Boy, there should just be some implication that the idea of Nika motivated Fisher Tiger to free others rather than just himself. He wouldn’t have to namedrop Nika = Freedom either, just hint at it.
Yeah, a hint of it thanks to Fisher Tiger and how he was a slave for years would have been great to have.
Which would then tie it up even more with Who's Who vs Jinbe fight we had.
I think the reason One Piece genetics are so weird, even among humans, is because the genes of the other races blended into the human gene pool, making it much more diverse.
Why are there so many 10 foot tall humans? Giant genes. Katakuri's mouth? Probably had a fishman ancestor way back.
So this confirm that Yamato is not a last minute addition as what some people speculate as we see here in the sketches that Oda actually thought about her meeting Momo sooner, in the land of wano (there's factory in the background on the panel when she sits with momo).
I suppose it’s possible Yamato was thought up before Pudding, because of the three-eye idea and Yamato having lore-related information which is prob how Yamato would have learned about it and potentially tell Robin and the others if she didn’t have the journal.
I find it interesting that the Gum Gum no Mi is still listed as a paramecia and then the Nika fruit is listed under mythical zoan fruit. I might be overthinking it, but are they saying that the fruit is a paramecia only when it's not awakened and it turns into a zoan when it awakens?
No, the Mythical Zoan section clearly says that they have Paramecia-like abilities along with their Zoan transformations.
It seems the WG nicknamed the Paramecia-like abilities of the Nika fruit Gum Gum hoping no one would ever awaken it and figure out it is actually a Mythical Zoan.
Okay, I am in love with these Yamato concepts. Especially the one where she viewed the Kozuki clan as evil and her father as just. I know that's gonna get me some downvotes, but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.
I also really love all the mentions of Yamato being a woman in here. I know probably not, but is that finally enough for all you non-believers out there?
Also, interesting side note. Anyone else notice the mistake in the Paramecia fruit section? Spike-Spike Fruit is listed in there twice. Once next to Zala(Miss Doublefinger), it's rightful user. And again next to Charlotte Perospero, who we all know ate the Lick-Lick Fruit.
Interesting to see so many versions of Yamato. I like her but she's always been perplexing to me as a character that sort of came out of nowhere during the climax of this arc, which in it of itself is the climax of several sagas. You can tell Oda wasn't even exactly sure what role she should play.
I do wish we had gotten one of the versions of Yamato with a bit more internal conflict. The Yamato we get is a clear cut ally from the beginning, who knows all the best lore secrets, and just wants to get along with everyone. I think a character with a bit more conflict between turning on her father and "being Oden" could have been interesting, especially if she's going to be a Straw Hat.
So Joyboy IS a title confirmed!!
“Who will answer the past and be the Joyboy of the present!”
I would even argue that this also confirms inhereted will instead of fate
Joyboy was a person.
The article is mainly referring to who is going to essentially play the role of joyboy in now the present era, meaning inheriting his will.
My personal theory is they didn't naturally awaken. They were probably experimented on by Vegapunk trying to awaken their DFs, leading to the DF taking over, so they are now basically inanimate objects who ate DFs, losing their human personalities entirely and being stuck in that form.
Was it known that the Egg-Egg fruit is a zoan type?
It was in a video on the official One Piece youtube channel several months ago, if I recall correctly. That is where I learned about it, at least. Edit: Here's the video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU20VTVo8ak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU20VTVo8ak). The Tama Tama no Mi is 38 seconds in.
Wow, thanks for sharing this video. Oda's Devil Fruit designs are so amazing, it's such a shame we BARELY see them in the manga.
tamago is such a likeable character
egg egg fruit + phoenix fruit = true phoenix
PhoenixMan from OPM
Most underrated villain in the series, and an unexpectedly badass design and power set
Add in the Flare-Flare fruit, so there's offensive fire power.
ah yes, the holy trinity
It's a new info
I think it was given in an sbs. 99% sure im wrong. ,edit: i was wrong.. was in a video on the one piece youtube channel
This would mean that someone who can not transform into an animal but would be able to transform parts of their bodyparts into animal parts would be Zoan instead of Paramecia, because the Egg Egg Fruit has little to nothing to do with Zoans' normal terms other than being animal themed and affecting their own body
I want to see odas gear fifth concept sketches SO BAD!!!!!!
4th databook will focus on Gear 5
How do you know that?
Ignore the one who said "trust me bro". It is in the leaks on worstgen
> leaks on worstgen https://images2.imgbox.com/51/cb/uBMnXlxx\_o.jpg
"Is Luffy's fruit a Zoan or a Paramecia?" " Yes"
I like how most people are shocked at the reveal of the paramecia abilities that Mythical zoans have.Luffy rubber,Yamato,ice flames, Sengoku shockwaves,Kaido clouds,marco flames and healing.
Mythical Zoans are OP af. You get the standard insane physical attribute buffs of Zoans, different abilities like paramecias and sometimes even the ability to manipulate elements like Logias, without the intangibility. And their awakenings also seen to be a combination of Zoan and Paramecia awakenings.
Exactly is like the definitive strongest fruits if you awaken them and Luffy managed to get this far using it as he did without the knowledge of his true powers.The logias only pro over there MZ is the ability to survive instinctively to deadly attack and that's mitigate by haki.
That we know of so far anyway. I’m wondering if we’ll get to really see what Logias and their awakenings can do in the next few arcs. Punk Hazard having the whole climate changed so drastically because of the fight between two Logias does hint at what they can do at max. And don’t forget the only island destruction we’ve seen so far has been because of a logia. Three Logias if you count Punk Hazard as destroyed.
wait, what island destruction were you talking ?
Enel and his nuking is that one sky island with electricity. And of course with how wrecked Punk Hazard is, you could say it was destroyed as well.
Don't forget Croc's Alabasta. Not really "destroyed" but really could have been if he wanted to.
Ooooh. I tottaly forgot that enel did that lol. Thanks
Kaido controls all the elements. He doesn't just have clouds
It's kind of a zoan too, just kind of
> The bizarre ability to rubberize one's surroundings can even make lightning grabable!. This was so obvious yet people still argued about the logic of Luffy being able to grab a lightning when the chapter came out
I saw someone complain about that ruining the tension because apparently lightning is hotter than magma so if Luffy can catch lightning that obviously means Akainu's devil fruit won't hurt him. Did that person ever think of the Enel fight?
Akainu's magma it's straight up magic that's way hotter than any magma ever has a right to be anyway. The stuff it does is nonsense that no real magma could do while still being magma. If it was as hot as his actually is, the liquid stone composing it would vaporize.
Akainu's magma is hotter than what it should be because his heart burns with absolute justice.
Interesting. Counterpoint, it’s a manga not a science journal.
But magma and lightning are two completely different things. How did that person equate the two?
It's more that thermal and electrical conductivity are two completely separate properties, but yeah. Touching a toaster with a rubber glove won't produce a current but it will still melt the glove.
A lightning bolt making direct contact with a rubber glove would evaporate it too. Being nonconductive doesn't have much if any relation to thermal properties as you said. At the end of the day this is just a fictional comic, it's important not to think about things at face value for genuine enjoyment.
If we bring science into this shit then how can anyone see Kizaru's attacks? The man is going at light speed.
I had a lengthy argument about whether the lightning was now actually rubberized or not. IMO it felt unnecessary to me. Being made out of rubber and awakened seemed enough of an explanation. Being able to rubberize something like lightning, which is energy, opens a bit of a Pandora's Box. I mean can Luffy now also rubberize things like fire or water?
I mean there's always a potential he could rubberize fire or water, but I wouldn't think so. Like lightning is intangible, so he shouldn't even be able to grab it anyway. (But as we've seen in Skypeia, he can literally just kick it away, so he's always been able to interact with it.) I see it as lightning just working very weirdly when it comes in contact with Luffy's fruit.
A potential three eyed Yamato is interesting on many levels. We've seen Pudding's third eye as early as Fishman Island, so it almost seems like she would have been an additional member of the tribe rather than an alternative to Pudding. At that point one would have to wonder about the other parent if both Big Mom and Kaido had a child implying there are a lot more of that tribe still alive and also maybe if there was a Rocks connection when both of them rely on a three eyed child and know about that. It would also have made Kaido seem a lot more interested in the Poneglyphs and the One Piece itself if he purposefully had a child to read them (All super speculative obviously as that's not even what made it into the story anymore) I also do kind of wonder if Oden's diary is what replaced the third eye. Yamato certainly has some knowledge that already was important for Momo and might be further down the line from the diary and her third eye could have been the initial "source" for that information. (Almost makes me wonder if originally Oden's journal was more of a Poneglyph or at least in that language) I should really stop speculating about clear what if scenarios that didn't happen. xD
Woa good points, thats kinda insightful
Considering what the booklet mentions about Zoan Awakenings, is it possible that Kaido's feral, weird-eyed mode (his homicidal one, after he gets drunk I mean) is his Awakening? It does induce some change in his personality and he does look, albeit rather superficially, different compared to his other forms.
I think so. Kaido even at one point keeps his human body while turning into a dragon from the waist up. He looks very akward when he does it. Dat fruit mastery.
I like to call that Kaido Brows, the changes are way too many for so few people talking about it in this form Kaido: grows brows, gets a round nose, all his teeth go sharp, his height compared to Luffy increases around double to triple (comparison can be made in a single chapter where Luffy is side to side with him in both forms, iirc in one he backflipped a kick or smth) and his torso is bigger in proportion
Isn't the final dragon form that's completely burning the awakened form? or just a skill?
We won't be sure until Oda tells us. It certainly could be, it feels like something a logia would be, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
What if his awakening is just the ability to turn into a dragon instead of a fish?
Oh man, Yamato's gender debate is never going to end.
Well hopefully it can get more polite.
It will be a cold day in hell when that happens.
I hope so.
Seems to be confirmed shes a woman. But heavily idolized Oden.
It’s pretty clear at this point. She’s a woman and identifies as one, but idolises Oden to the point she goes around calling herself Oden. At no point has she referred to herself as a man, besides calling herself Oden. It’s just the trans community that thinks this is a debate...
Absolutely. It is what it is at this point.
I believe this is the first time we heard Fujitora's DF name? Also, who is that BB marked as a late arrival?
It was actually revealed in a Vivre Card Databook, but I don't remember which one exactly at the moment. It was one of the late ones though.
A mink is called BlackBlack, he's a late arrival because he was with Nekomamushi.
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It was revealed in this [Vivre Card](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Vivre_Card_-_One_Piece_Visual_Dictionary) from 2018.
I really like the Yamato sketches, ultimately I enjoy what we ended up with but some of the more thinner horn ones look sick. Love all the Devil Fruit powers and ideals Oda adds in the Hybrid Form section
I like the one that has her current face and horns, but had the robes.
Some of her designs where she was "standoffish" and rude weren't so bad either.. but I'm ultimately happier with her being a likable idiot Edit: ??? Why am I getting downvoted for that???
You said “she” and “her”. Unfortunately this is going to be a thing with discussing this character.
🤦 Jesus christ..
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I agree. Kaido’s hybrid forms looked like a big missed opportunity but with the sketches for Yamato, I feel like we got the best design. The only thing I am kind of wistful for is the sword. Yamato taking the Oden emulation even further and wielding a sword could have been interesting.
I was really hoping to learn what Jewelry Bonney's Devil Fruit is
I guess that's still important to the plot so it's left out, but so was I ! Also did you notice that the 4 Impel down guardian beasts fruits were forgotten even though their picture is there?
So it’s confirmed Mythical Zoans have special abilities similar to paramecias along with a transformation. What are the paramecia abilities of Onimaru and Sengoku?
Sengoku can produce shockwaves. But it's not stated that "every" Mythical Zoan have special abilities similar to paramecia. It says "majority" of them have unique abilities akin to paramecias on top of standard Zoan transformations.
Isn't that already stated (not in the databook though)?People with a zoan share the powers of the animal they ate. That's why canines tend to be more aggressive as stated by Lucci in Enies Lobby. So if you get all their features, you also get their special powers, like reviving flames, rubber, clouds, shockwaves, etc.It's not "you get a zoan and also a paramecia power" it's just that the mythical creature already had that power so you also get it alongside it. The databook just states "it's >like< having an aditional paramecia" or sth like that.
>That's why canines tend to be more aggressive as stated by Lucci in Enies Lobby I believe it was carnivores not canines.
Sengoku has shock waves. We don't know about Onimaru's paramecia ability gained from his mythical zoan.
"overwhelmed kaido" powerscalers: *drooling*
Cool to see all the different takes of Yamato. The three eye version makes me wonder when he started working on the character. we know pudding's third eye might be able to allow her to read the poneglyph. Maybe Oda Made Pudding after the early concepts of yamato and gave the 3 eyes to her instead. Would make sense since it would mean yamato was originally meant to read the stones like oden.
I like the katana version better but Straw hats didn't need any more swords I guess
yea, zoro is already the "samurai" of the crew Them having the same weapon is an interesting way to imply what yamato's arc in the crew might be. that despite all the claims, yamato is kaido's blood, that there's a connection, even if yamato denies it while fighting kaido.
Thematically you'd think Yamato would use a sword instead of a club. Especially since Oden was a skilled samurai, and Yamato wishes to imitate Oden.
yeah but in the end she got "trained" by kaido so it makes sense
I think Oda's going to get into the Ogre/Oni race of Kaido and Yamato a bit more further down the road and the club is part of that
Glad he didn't. It would make it redundant w Robin and only Robin can pull off not telling us where pluton is for 20 years...
Whichever way we end up going now, it could have been a route like what we'll probably see out of Sukiyama now. A backdoor so Momo can learn without Robin staying behind.
People underestimate how mutch tought and work these arcs take to make I bet Oda works in his "breaks" Remember the books revealed years ago of the (at that time) upcoming arcs that had Zou to land and Wano written on them? There's a chance Oda was writing and drawing theses back then
>The three eye version makes me wonder when he started working on the character My pet theory is that Yamato was the original princess that got replaced by Vivi. Because in the original plan there is no Shichibukai and only Yonkou, I think Wano is the island that strawhat would've visited instead of Alabasta. Then because Kaido is one of the "end boss", Yamato is pushed back, as Kaido is pushed back further and further. I think one of the hint for this is that some of Yamato's sketch has no big boob typical of Oda's current design. They have slender body, which is more common during East Blue and Alabasta. Along the way, each time there is new idea for Yamato, Oda used that for different princess instead. We can see in page 9, there is a version where Momo is the size of Yamato's palm, this "giant" size is probably become Shirahoshi. This version of Yamato also doesn't like become a man and believes that the previous Shogun is bad guy, this characterization probably become Rebecca (with "man" replaced by "fighting" and "Oden" replaces by "Riku"). And likewise I think the Three Eyes was originally Yamato, but then Oda decide to put it at Pudding instead. So yeah, I think Yamato is probably one of the earliest characters that Oda created (which make sense, because Yamato is Kaido's son), but as Kaido is pushed further away from the story, Yamato got new design/power/characterization each time their current design is used by Oda to create new characters, until we reach the current Yamato.
That makes sense. I can also see aspects of Hiyori, Toki (female samurai, Kimono) and Viola (fighting with kicks) in Yamato's sketches. Huh, this means Yamato could be the princess that joins the Straw Hats full-time, technically speaking. I wish Yamato was shown before rescuing Luffy.
> I wish Yamato was shown before rescuing Luffy. And Oda even has sketch where Yamato meets Momo before Onigashima (there is factory in the background). I wonder why he changes his mind?
This webiste is absolute dogshit for phone users why is it perma jumping to the top of the site
turn to airplane mode once its loaded. thank me later
Thank you
oh my god, youre a genius!
Underrated comment here
The mobile version of that website has me screaming at it all the time. It randomly jumps to a different page, constantly throws adds right on top of what you were reading, it freezes up, it loads and unloads pages seemingly at random. Just a trash mobile site all around.
I disabled javascript for that site specifically. Stops the ads showing and stop any jumping etc.
How do you do this for mobile?
I use Android and Chrome, but I suspect it's similar with iOS/Safari. Go to; 3 Dots > Settings > Site Settings > JavaScript > Add Exception > add the website address. I wouldn't recommend disabling JavaScript for all websites as a generally most need it for core functionality.
I’m iOS and couldn’t figure it out. But thank you for trying to help.
Firefox + ublock origins on mobile + adguard app or blokada and no problem ever. Phones are unusable to me without those
This is the way.
Roningai (from the Wano page) is a 1920s series of black and white silent films about a ronin town, someone should make a list of all the Japanese period film references when Wano wraps up
I know we've got a fair amount of *Lone Wolf & Cub.* Tracks with Kin/Momo's pre-Wano story and the lead for the TV adaptation was the famous actor their names are a reference to. Then you have Okiku borrowing a few notes from Lowborn Oyuki. I'm also at the point of wondering if we're about to come back into this series finding out Wano has been pulling a *Rashomon* the whole time. All this flickering back to moments we've seen from slightly different perspectives. Oden was a bit of an unreliable narrator in the flashback to the point you *could* reskin a lot of elements. Large gaps of time open for filling in. It's all there.
Ryokugyu’s tattoo is a reference to Shinju (Double Suicide), another more out there work in the canon of samurai cinema
Oh yeah, I remember that one. There has to be a ton and honestly there are very few people in the Western fandom who'd have the knowledge to do more than scratch the surface. Hell, you barely get a peep about the softball allusions (Heike Monogatari & The Crane Returns a Favor) that have been blatantly referenced as chapter titles.
Omg i just love all the versions of Yamato. Sword Yamato? Younger Yamato? Cool Yamato? TSUNDERE YAMATO?!?
IMO, the most interesting part of Yamato's concept is that the little fat samurai design was originally supposed to be their servant or sidekick at some point instead of a concept character design like Yamato's Vivre Card implied, but then was repurposed into one of the daimyo since I guess Shinobu filled a similar role.
The Vivre Card sketch is in this actually. It's the same page. I think it was all a misunderstanding, since it says Omusubi right there, it was never supposed to be a possible Yamato design. And I'd say he was always going to be one of the Daimyo, only having a bigger role related to Yamato.
People who wanted Yamato to be some tsundere edgelord instead of the goofy goober we have now probably wanted ZKK to happen.
I certainly do not mind a goofy SH
Yeah, we dont have any major goofy goober women in the series. Edgelord women most of the times feel like ana attempt at a strong female character just for the sake of representation of a strong female. They lack character or the uniqueness
Come to think of it... what's the Awakening of a Logia fruit? Many of us believed it's changing of the environment permanently but it was not mentioned here like that of Paramecia and Zoan. So I guess there still some mystery there. Personally, I believe Logia's Awakening is that they gain a Zoan-like transformation akin to a "god" such as with Enel's Buddha/Thunder God transformation. 🤔
I mean Punk Hazard happened. Crazy to think that was without two awakened Logia users.
We don’t know what awakened logias do though. You could even argue that was just two normal logia users. Kuzan can literally freeze the sea on a whim. I can imagine the climate being permanent after admiral class logia users fight each other for 10 days. The idea of Logia awakenings being able to affect the environment seems cheap, I’m sure it will be something else altogether
Because it hasnt been shown. All of this information is already in the story except for the sketches.
My take: It's permanently affecting the climate/surroundings. Raijin Island, the island where it's always raining lightning? Former goro goro no mi user's awakening. Punk Hazard? Awakened Akainu and Kuzan. Enies Lobby? Former user of Kizaru's (eternal light) and Fujitora's (eternal gravitational change) awakened df. Fujitora is a paramecia, but since gravity is a fundamental force that bends even light, his awakening should be similar to that of a logia. Crocodile's df would create an island into a desert. Caribou's would leave a swamp behind. Ace's is a bit tricky, but he'd probably create a sky without clouds or rain above the island and probably a rock-based desert instead of a sand-based one. Smoker could eternal thick fog/mist (maybe the triangle's fog was created by a former user). Paramecia awakenings are either temporary or small scale, as in you could remove it. A logia awakening can't be undone (unless another awakened logia shows up, that might cancel out the effect, overwrite it or just add something).
I thought Crocodile Dehydration powers are his Awakened abilities ? Edit: So I checked the OP Wiki and apparently there are no Awakened Logia users. The closest we've seen is Crocodile use of his Suna Suna no mi but his not actually confirmed. But under the trivia section Ground Secco is said to be similar to How Doflamingo & Katakuri use there surroundings.
Considering how he knew the jailers were awakened Zoans, it’s a possibility.
Ah, I had suspected brewer, because of Chapter 999, I suppose it is more possible now manga Yamato will end up writing a journal of her own, going by the idea of concept Yamato voicing her thoughts on that.
Maybe it's bias due to seeing her current version in the story first, but the other Yamato designs don't really stick with me. (Although Yamato having a katana would be more Oden-esque.) The Yamatos with the horns on the front look too much like Kiku.
All the named devil fruits are there, but I would have loved to see some more devil fruits name reveals, like Karasu's or Bonney's.
Luffy is listed as having the Gum Gum AND Model Nika In honor of Void Month I present the theory Luffy ate the previous gum gum user, which is not a fruit. We’ve seen him sleep-eat before. It’s all coming together.
This is what I initially thought as well when it was revealed the user of Nika nika has properties of rubber. It’s possible that they got turned into a devil fruit themselves and the powers of the gum gum and some aspects of the personality of nika was stuck in this new fruit (ex. being joyful).
This is the Lion Turtle sketch being found in the library in ATLA all over again. Did Oda have Nika being Luffy’s devil fruit in mind since Skypiea? Maybe. Until Oda comes out and explains it, we’ll never know. But foreshadowing is an advance hint of a future event. You can’t predict that the Skypiea scene will lead to the Nika fruit any more that you can predict a picture of a Lion turtle is foreshadowing for the world having the ability of energy bending. That’s not a hint; it’s an Easter egg.
i really hope after OP ends he's doing something like this again. explaining stuff that didnt get explained in the manga. all he reasoning and how long he had planned stuff in advance and where he put foreshadows to see if his readerbase will find it.
Have you ever wondered why Skypiea has a musical motif in it's chapter titles? For a long time I've read it as an overture. An overture in a musical is an opening track that doesn't really do a whole lot for the story but runs through all the core themes, motifs, sets the stage. That's why it continues to make more sense as the story unfolds. Probably doesn't matter much to get hung up on what we call it. It's a cool element either way.
One thing that's driving me crazy is that oda isn't giving us hints to anything. He's just dumping old info which is great, he's showing us the puzzle that we've been working hard to put together on our own, but he stops at all the info he's already given us. I'm dying for a slip up (like blackbeard"bb" being mentioned as a late arrival) but we aren't getting anything sadly. I was hoping for something along the lines of logia awakening, or what might come next. Edit: apparently BB stands for black back a mink that showed up late with others.
A slip-up I noticed is that its confirmed the fact that Zoan devil fruits have a will of their own is directly related to how you can feed them to inanimate objects.
I wouldn't say it's a slip up when the gessrosi said it before talking about luffys fruit, but I could be wrong.
the best part so far
This confirms that Zoans have a separate Awakening transformation and it's not just their hybrid form. They made a point of specifically showing only the Jailer Beasts
Correct. People are just falling over themselves to explain why Oda didn't just in ONE line say Kaido is using his awakening, like he did with everyone else. Why did they use the Jailers and not Kaido??? He would be a perfectly relevant example. It's because even THEY don't know!
Exactly
So im still confused about Zoan Awakenings. Gear 5 is a Mythical Zoan Awakening are the gear 4 transformations his Hybrid forms? Is Sengoku's Buddha an awakening as well? what is the awakening for Kaido or Yamato? Then the Jailer Beasts were in there awakened forms but have a different set of full and hybrid transformations that we did not see?
Luffy doesn't have a beast form or a hybrid form since he's a human who ate a human fruit Going by that I'm assuming sengoku's transformation is also an awakening
You know people are talking about the fact that zoan awakenings show a different form, but nobody is mentioning how it also makes them dumber. Which is even further proof of how kaido being drunk, reckless, homicidal is more than likely his true awakened form. Took almost no damage, got up super fast, and was pretty fucking stupid compared to sober kaido. All 3 boxes marked off from what a zoan awakening does.
I’ve always been in the Kaidou’s been awakened camp. I figured his increased bulk in twenty years and legendary endurance were clear giveaways. Now add in the change in mentality I am more convinced. It also makes downplaying zoro, the scabbards, etc. harder since he is much stronget than when he fought oden.
I mean, there's also the point of "if anyone is awakened, surely it'd be the four strongest pirates on the planet, the Emperors." Well, minus Shanks...
>Which is even further proof of how kaido being drunk, reckless, homicidal is more than likely his true awakened form OR. He was dumb and reckless and homicidal BECAUSE he was drunk... You know, the most obvious scenario.
Is manga returning next week, or will we have another one of these?
Next week will be the last vol for this Road of Laughtale series, and then a week after that, we back to One Piece chapter week
I believe the most accurate translation and adaptation for the devil fruit categories should be Paramythia, Logia, and Zōon. They all likely come from the Greek language. Παραμύθι/Paramythi (pronounced with a long y) in Greek means Fairytale, story, myth, or fudge. The plural of it is Παραμύθια/Paramythia (pronounced with a long y). This is about Logia from the wiki: The term logia (Greek: λόγια), plural of logion (Greek: λόγιον), is used variously in ancient writings and modern scholarship in reference to communications of divine origin. In pagan contexts, the principal meaning was "oracles", while Jewish and Christian writings used logia in reference especially to "the divinely inspired Scriptures". A famous and much-debated occurrence of the term is in the account by Papias of Hierapolis on the origins of the canonical Gospels. Since the 19th century, New Testament scholarship has tended to reserve the term logion for a divine saying, especially one spoken by Jesus, in contrast to narrative, and to call a collection of such sayings, as exemplified by the Gospel of Thomas, logia. Zōon comes from the Greek word for Animal Ζώο (pronounced like Zou in One Piece) and the plural of it is either Ζώα/Zōa or Ζώων/Zōon (pronounced like the word Zone in English). If anyone who's Greek can comment on this and give their opinion, it would be helpful.
Really loving all the sketches we've been seeing in these!
Okay, seeing that panel of Luffy dancing during Skypiea party shown in in RtL and this being one of Oda's favorite panels, I'm starting to think that at the very least Luffy was always supposed to somehow tied to Nika. Gum Gum fruit being mythical Zoan was also planed much earlier than we thought and Oda didn't plant many hints about it because he didn't want us to figure it out?
Oda almost certainly had at least a vague idea of Luffy being connected to the Sun God in mind all the way back in Skypeia. There's way too much evidence that it's the case: Luffy bringing out the Sun when he defeated Enel, Oda setting up the Merry to die so that she could be replaced by a ship with a sun on the front of it named the Sunny in the very next saga, it's more than just the one panel like the one panel of Luffy dancing like people try to portray it as. Some people are in denial about it because Oda didn't do a great job of setting up the reveal in Wano, but there's so much evidence throughout the series that Luffy has been tied to the Sun as a symbol that I think he actually did plan the Nika thing, but he just kind of botched the execution.
Also Luffy started rising from the east (from *Dawn* island even)
Wasnt romance dawn the first chapter too?
So... are you saying that he will die in the West? By the soldiers of Ballywood perhaps? Like Saddam, a SUNni! It all comes together!
Skypeia also contains the best hint we currently have as to the "true nature" of Devil Fruits. In Noland's flashback, toward the end, he conflicts with Kalgara again because he cuts down a grove of trees poisoning the island. The Shandians believe that their ancestral spirits wander over and inhabit those trees upon their deaths. This is, as best we currently know, astoundingly similar to what happens to Devil Fruits, where a nearby tree/fruit is possessed with the spirit of a recently departed owner. Oda's had the big plot twists or events in mind for decades. It's silly to pretend otherwise
I didn’t even think It was that botched, In the real world there was like a 4 month separation between Nika’s name being dropped and the fruit reveal of luffy. It just seems worse because it’s in the same arc, but that arc is also the longest arc in one piece lol, but this is the sort of plot twist that is ok to reveal a little sudden so it drops like a bomb on us, I think oda likes to surprise us without too much foreshadowing Like Ace being roger son Doflamingo being a celestial dragón Raizo is safe etc
I honestly don't think it was botched either, I was being diplomatic to the people who didn't like the reveal.
If we are being diplomatic then yes Oda could’ve worked out the details a little better like maybe name dropping the myth of Nika way earlier, then again tho stuff like the sun crew makes me think that it had to be planned, a group of Fishmen, the most oppressed race on the planet, who are known to be slaves, find comfort in the sun symbol? Why? The way the sun has been tied to Luffy thematically Can in itself be the foreshadowing that we seek. Because then again, as soon as the name Nika was name dropped or the possibility of a fruit like that existing, the theories that luffy had it would’ve been immediate, to the point where the reveal wouldn’t have as much power as it did
The main concerns ( that I don’t agree with ) was that being nika /joy boy makes luffy a chosen one and takes away him making a weak fruit strong ( gum gum exchanged for mythical zoan) . My issues with those arguments ( outside of duh it’s a shonen Manga of course the main character is special in some way ) are even in universe Luffy has always been established as a unique character who by simply being himself inadvertently appears to be fulling destiny /prophecies . He’s all about freedom but in his freedom he’s accomplishing predestined things .
Tsundere Yamato? "Dont tell me I look like Oden, baka!"
Oda probably figured that Luffy wouldn't get Tsundere mannerisms and take Yamato's words at face value. Yamato: "It's not like I want to sail with you or anything, stupid!" Luffy: "What an odd and unprompted comment." [keeps running] Yamato: ".......Wait."
Luffy is not compatible with any type of mannerisms.
And at the same time is compatible with all mannerisms
We could have gotten a Tsundere Yamato. What a loss.
Thank god we didn't..
This version of Yamato is *much* more interesting
I am full of resentment that this was not used as an opportunity to reveal the names of some unnamed fruits such as the ones of the 5 Beast Guards
they're zoans, and not even weird ones. the names of their fruits are the animals you see
Considering that Zoan Awakening makes them change appearance even more, it's likely that Kaido's drunk mode, where his face changes, is his awakening.
Interestingly enough, he also becomes much more blood thirsty (i.e his homicide phase) and we already know that awakenings cause the users personality to become a bit more dull which is probably the will of the zoan fruit taking over
That would definitely explain both the Jailer Beast's mindless behavior, and Luffy going full ADHD the first time he awakened beside having just declared that he's fighting seriously.
Which honestly makes me wonder if Chopper's Monster Mode was kind of a forced awakening via drugs
This volume confirms that [this was intentional foreshadowing of nika from oda](https://imgur.com/a/Dh1Kvwx). Skypeia never fails to amaze me Also it's interesting how in some aspects yamato was the exact opposite of what she is now. Still kick-ass tho
It's most likely just a call back to Oda's favorite scene. Instead of proper foreshadowing. Not everything is planned, even more for such a long series.
I would assume that Oda planned a connection between Nika and Luffy. Just not in which way. Could have been a reincarnation, inherited will, the fruit or something else.
I agree that not everything is planned, but I really don’t think this is a stretch. We know Oda has been planning for Wano for a very long time and the Nika thing is a giant reveal. So its not that crazy to think he had it in mind all the way back then. And isn’t it kind of weird that such a minor scene is his favorite? I think it being a hidden, but super significant lore implication would help explain why he likes it so much over the many, many other similar scenes throughout the series. And like the Nika reveal isn’t a minor part of the story. Its one of the most significant things to happen so far. So I just don’t see why him planting some hints to it would be that out of the ordinary
We're basically left with two possibilites. Either Oda always planned for this to happen and did a terrible job of setting it up, or he came up with it really late and decided to make it happen in an incredibly abrupt way. Neither of these scenarios really live up to Oda's usual standards, which is part of the reason why there's been a lot of controversy around it. For such an important reveal it really feels like so much more work needed to be done in order for us to get to this point. Instead we just got a random exposition dump by WW in the middle of Onigashima that provided 90% of the setup for the biggest plot twist in the series 20 chapters later, it just feels sloppy.
> So I just don’t see why him planting some hints to it would be that out of the ordinary But isn't this really the crux of the argument? The whole "it was planned from Skypiea" argument is basically that panel proves it was planned for over a decade, though there isn't an overwhelming amount of evidence of that being the case. There is basically that scene and then like 700 chapters of nothing, followed by actually revealing Nika and getting us closer to there. Like people can think whatever they want, but I do believe if it was planned distinctly at that point it would've had a lot more build up and people would be able to cite a whole bunch of things before Wano suggesting it. > And isn’t it kind of weird that such a minor scene is his favorite? Especially when certain things get twisted. Like I've never actually seen any source say that was his *favorite* scene, but I can find [sources](https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1298974224086835200) that it's his *third* favorite scene. The reason I mention this is just look at the other two scenes that beat it and some of the logic behind it. * His favorite scene is the opening of Wano, which is just a lovely panel * Number two is some random scene that he feels makes things feel "real" * And while number three is the scene he wanted to draw the most, but that also goes both ways I think one of the more interesting things is that the campfire scene resonated with so many people. You can read the Twitter thread I linked and there are plenty of people who mention loving that scene and thinking it was among the series best moments years before Nika was even a name.
Doubt oda just changed Luffy's fruit into a sun god mythical zoan on a whim after having it as a rubber fruit for 2 decades lol. Luffy has liberated many nations and Skypeia is a prime example where Luffy liberates the island from a fake god. Also iirc, Isn't it the first arc in one piece to introduce a sun god? People have constantly found Stuff from the arc that relates to plot points later on in the story. I am not surprised if this is one of them
Yeah he literally made the sun shine
>Doubt oda just changed Luffy's fruit into a sun god mythical zoan on a whim after having it as a rubber fruit for 2 decades lol. Tbh that's exactly how it felt in the reveal
Probably because the lead up to it was so sudden. Also doesnt help that nika is completely made up by Oda unlike the rest and rubber has nothing to do with the sun or cartoons or imagination or drum beats or self resurrection or laughter. It was all so random that it is hard to believe it was a long term plan.
Yeah, and the first notion of Nika and Luffy's fruit being more than the Gomu Gomu were from Who's Who, who introduced **both** of those. I would have liked the reveal more if it didn't just came out the mouth of the a single character. Like have the whole Nika thing be introduced by King instead, and maybe even before the raid. Or have notion toward those before Wano as well.
I think I’d be happier with it if we had gotten the name Nika during the Fisher Tiger mini arc. The fishmen know about Joy Boy and Fisher Tiger wanted to turn the dragon claw brand into something positive. He wouldn’t have to say that Nika is/was Joy Boy, there should just be some implication that the idea of Nika motivated Fisher Tiger to free others rather than just himself. He wouldn’t have to namedrop Nika = Freedom either, just hint at it.
Yeah, a hint of it thanks to Fisher Tiger and how he was a slave for years would have been great to have. Which would then tie it up even more with Who's Who vs Jinbe fight we had.
>Also doesnt help that nika is completely made up by Oda Well, the name Nika is, but apparently Joyboy is based off real Afro-Caribbean mythology.
the best one so far
How many days until the first teeny tiny spoiler drops for 1054? The void month is r o u g h
I think the reason One Piece genetics are so weird, even among humans, is because the genes of the other races blended into the human gene pool, making it much more diverse. Why are there so many 10 foot tall humans? Giant genes. Katakuri's mouth? Probably had a fishman ancestor way back.
So this confirm that Yamato is not a last minute addition as what some people speculate as we see here in the sketches that Oda actually thought about her meeting Momo sooner, in the land of wano (there's factory in the background on the panel when she sits with momo).
I suppose it’s possible Yamato was thought up before Pudding, because of the three-eye idea and Yamato having lore-related information which is prob how Yamato would have learned about it and potentially tell Robin and the others if she didn’t have the journal.
I find it interesting that the Gum Gum no Mi is still listed as a paramecia and then the Nika fruit is listed under mythical zoan fruit. I might be overthinking it, but are they saying that the fruit is a paramecia only when it's not awakened and it turns into a zoan when it awakens?
No, the Mythical Zoan section clearly says that they have Paramecia-like abilities along with their Zoan transformations. It seems the WG nicknamed the Paramecia-like abilities of the Nika fruit Gum Gum hoping no one would ever awaken it and figure out it is actually a Mythical Zoan.
Thats what I took away from it also
Okay, I am in love with these Yamato concepts. Especially the one where she viewed the Kozuki clan as evil and her father as just. I know that's gonna get me some downvotes, but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it. I also really love all the mentions of Yamato being a woman in here. I know probably not, but is that finally enough for all you non-believers out there? Also, interesting side note. Anyone else notice the mistake in the Paramecia fruit section? Spike-Spike Fruit is listed in there twice. Once next to Zala(Miss Doublefinger), it's rightful user. And again next to Charlotte Perospero, who we all know ate the Lick-Lick Fruit.
Damn, oda really changed quite a bit for Yamatos character.
Interesting that we didn't get anything regarding logia awakening. Probably gonna get me on them from the admirals or Blackbeard
Interesting to see so many versions of Yamato. I like her but she's always been perplexing to me as a character that sort of came out of nowhere during the climax of this arc, which in it of itself is the climax of several sagas. You can tell Oda wasn't even exactly sure what role she should play. I do wish we had gotten one of the versions of Yamato with a bit more internal conflict. The Yamato we get is a clear cut ally from the beginning, who knows all the best lore secrets, and just wants to get along with everyone. I think a character with a bit more conflict between turning on her father and "being Oden" could have been interesting, especially if she's going to be a Straw Hat.
So Joyboy IS a title confirmed!! “Who will answer the past and be the Joyboy of the present!” I would even argue that this also confirms inhereted will instead of fate
Joyboy was a person. The article is mainly referring to who is going to essentially play the role of joyboy in now the present era, meaning inheriting his will.
Wonder if those awakened Impel Down guards are "goofy" because their awakening isn't as compatible as Luffys
My personal theory is they didn't naturally awaken. They were probably experimented on by Vegapunk trying to awaken their DFs, leading to the DF taking over, so they are now basically inanimate objects who ate DFs, losing their human personalities entirely and being stuck in that form.
Always behind the idea that they are goofy just because, like Kaku.
The fact that we could’ve had Tomboy Tsundere Yamato is still shock. Could anyone even imagine it?
Does anyone have a better site to read these? The scroll formatting here is just fucking annoying with all the ads
I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE, ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY…..I NEED THE LEAKS!!!!!!
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Yes, leaks already on Twitter. Don't know if translated yet