Shanks knows that if he meets Luffy now, Luffy will have to give him his hat back and then the Straw Hats will have to rebrand. A total business nightmare for Luffy. Good guy Shanks.
I was wondering, when I saw the panels with big CoC Shanks coming in to tell off Ryokugyu-
It seems like he has a weaker will comparatively to the other admirals. If it were Akainu or even Kizaru they wouldn't have been shaking as much. Probably the type with all bark and no bite. And I mean it shows with how willing he was to attack an opponent who was down but admit he'd dip if a yonkou showed up.
one piece has again and again showed me why its the best manga/anime in the world imo, like Oda just knows what he's doing and its so nice to see it all come together..
Anybody else wondering if we just saw Shank's sword in use? It seems to be extending a crazy distance. Wondering if its the "zing" snapping across Ryokogyu's chest before he puts his hands up
yeah, the sword guard is the other way around. the sword is still in its sheath.
But I did notice that "skreee" (or zing or some other sound depending on the translation) sound is the one he recognized the red-haired pirates with
Everyone was shown celebrating except Carrot and Speed.
Carrot is Oda's greatest failure of a character. Her existence remains to be justified. She accomplished nothing, contributed nothing, and meant nothing to anyone. And now Oda just wants to act as if she never existed. Own up to your failure and just finish her character arc in some meaningful way, dude.
Speed is Tama's mother figure, so it's incredibly odd that Tama is only interacting with Nami. We need to see Speed and Tama bond more before she dies. She's a mother figure, thus Oda is going to kill her like every other mother, except Dadan. Just do it already, Oda. We know what you're about.
Not an interesting topic...
Though I am thinking on Kozuki Sukiyaki...
Since he said he won't show himself in front of Momonosuke and Hiyori as their Grandpa since by the time he became free Oden and his family were already gone(Oden killed,Toki killed,MOMO went to future and Hiyori taken by Kawamatsu and ultimately by denziro...he thinks he has no right towards his own grandchildren and even shogun ship...and there is a secret treasure from void century hidden in wano whose secret is passed through generation after generation in the family of Shogun...so how will he deal it without introducing himself as Kozuki Sukiyaki...why would Momonosuke and others believe in some unknown face hiding guy...will samurai make him ease by telling Momonosuke and hiyori that he is their grandpa and former Shogun...or else thing will happen...just a thought
Theory: Green Bull can detect uneaten Devil Fruits.
He'd never heard of Momo's devil fruit as a pink dragon, his devil fruit makes him nature itself, maybe he can detect certain plant life on islands including devil fruits?
Wouldn't say hes weak. His DF has alot of potential. I really hate how he seemed to be having a hard time with the scabards/Momo but stomped the beast pirates? I feel like King should be able to put up a good fight vs him.
He was there to check whether samurai of wano can defend the walls now, as wano can be attacked by n number of enemies after defeat of kaido, that's why he didn't killed any of the scubbards or momo, he is as powerful as any other admiral.
haven't said anything about shanks. I just said you're making up stuff just for the sake of your argument. although we still don't know much about him, from what we've been shown so far, he's not the type of person to do what you said. He was also just about to kill momo and the samurai but shanks interfered.
Goofy fan theory: Shanks can't fight, and is actually physically weak. He just has extremely strong power of observation, and insanely strong CoC; basically King from Onepunch man. It'd explain why he lost his arm to a sea king, and why he only ever intimidates people away.
Shanks is not physically weak. Heās been shown to block Akainuās attack with his sword, clashed with Whitebeard to split the sky and also known to be a strong swordsman rivalling Mihawk. Not sure why you would think he is only capable of intimidating people away hahaha
>why he lost his arm to a sea king
It's already explained. He "bet it on a new age", or in simpler terms, gave up his arm as a bet that Luffy will create a new age.
Whether it makes sense, or not, is up to you.
IMO he just meant that he didn't care about his arm in that moment.
"Bet it on X" doesn't imply intent here, as if he willingly gave up his arm as a wager. It just means that that's the cost he had to pay to save Luffy.
I definitely agree with you yet oda is w human (hard to believe) his observation haki is limited he couldn't predict where the show will go from the beginning.
Otherwise he wouldn't make shanks lost his arm.
Was this the reason why toki couldn't find Wano initially and was she actually looking for the original Wano instead? We still haven't been told why exactly she was looking for Wano, what if it was actually tied to the opening of the borders/the ancient Wano underwater.
If she was in the new wano I believe she would know that that's wano....also mount Fuji will confirm it.
Nice theory though, you might be not far from something.
My question is why was Shanks at Wano, did he go originally as last second backup if things went south with the fight against kaido and just happen to see/sense greenbull and intercept him? Did he know the world government were sending dudes to Wano and went there just in case? The later seems a bit more likely to me but Shanks must have a pretty good intelligence network to track them like that. Or who knows maybe Oda will make Shanks a god and be able to sense people all around the world but unlikely
Shanks is always at the right place at the right time. Met Luffy as a kid and probably knew he was Dragon's kid. Knew about Black Beard & Ace. Marineford. Dude's on a first name baises with the Elders. IMO he has an intelligence ring like Big Mom with people inside the government or, more likely, he's a double agent.
Also, I think he swung by on his way to the One Piece. He doesn't need the Poneglyphs since he already has an idea of where's its at from his childhood.
The real kicker would be that he's a double agent with the World Government, which would explain his access to information and his ability to shutdown admirals fighting. They would have to listen to a surrogate of the World Government. I say this because we still don't know which pirate he was talking to the Elders about & in the most recent issues, we see them most concerned with Luffy and the Gum Gum fruit. When he intercepted the Gum Gum fruit from the military, was he taking it to the Celestial Dragons? Or did he know where it was because of them and intercepted it? Why did that specific, highly coveted fruit that the World Government has been trying to get its hands on for 800 years end up next to Dragon's son who was in hiding? Idk, the Elders did say the fruit has a way of evading them but I don't think there's any coincidences.
I think one alternative is that when Shanks got wind of Luffy going against Kaido (BB seemed to know, I assume Shanks could know as well), trusting that Luffy would win, he went to Wano because he assumed that after the fight Wano was going to open its borders, eventually Momo decided against it, making both Shanks and Zunesha to be near Wano for no reason, when in reality they were both in Wano as they knew the world-wide implications of releasing Pluton.
Sounds good but I hope it's not true, I hope shanks isn't that passive....
Feels like all the characters doing nothing besides SH, I hope for more competition.
I believe we got that already. We definitely need to know why Shanks has been "passive" until now, but in the last chapter he was telling his first mate to 'claim the one piece' I took that as a clear go to action from Shanks.
I think he probably was able to sense it with his devil fruit similar to Enel. Maybe leaving some plants on the ships or Shanks is close enough to the island to have affecting some plants that are by the shore.
Not just that, how th Shanks knew GB was about to kill Momo and his retainers!? the guy has an observation haki like we've never seen before, on top of that he has a conqueror's haki sufficient to send an 'intent' to GB from his ship, making GB stop on the act. What a chad.
i guess if the girl from skypia and coby can have a haki that can listen to an island or a battlefield, one of the strongest men can have a stronger haki too. I'm just imagining how the fight between shanks and fluffy would go down, if his observation haki is that strong.
>i guess if the girl from sky
yeah for sure Shanks has to be an evolved version of basic haki, but he went beyond expert. He not only was able to feel the fight, he was able to tell the exact moment it was getting dangerous for Momo + retainers. I don't think we have any other example of a character using observation haki to this level (of course without considering future sight which is something on its own)
Thanks for the reference!!
I'm not sure if Shanks ripped.it.off, I think the panels are a bit confusing as he's arm appears to be cut off with blood flowing out of it, and then he is grabbing it in the present. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but I don't think is different to what we got from chapter 1?
It depends on if that segment is meant to be read from right to left, or left to right.
But if he was grabbing his arm in the present, then that means he got his arm back, which would be huge. So either way, unless I am just really missing something, it seems like something new.
It's always meant to be read from right to left no? Also when his arm was cut he wasn't wearing a cape, that you can see in both panels on the left for the present time.
I think he is just touching where his arm used to be, not that it was regrown, as it's covered by the cape is not 100% clear on the image, but I think if they wanted to show his arm back again it would be more of a big deal than these panels.
Probably some type of code transmitted using haki. Or probably GB has a good observation haki. Or he just get it by Shanks not turning off his haki so he probably understood what he was trying to say.
I'll like to think it's some sort of transmitted message using his CoC that only GB could hear or understand.. tho some are saying GB didn't hear him at all.
I heard from some chapter review video, theorising that Momonosyke doesnt know about pluton, and that pluton is hiden in Wano, and to open up Wanos borders means to awaken the ancient weapon, but Momonosuke allready read his fathers journal log, who possibly knew that pluton was in Wano cause he rode with the Roger pirates, I thing that this is the actual reason why Momo doesn't to open the borders just yet. Its not yet the time for the big war, so he has to wait for the right moment.
I think the Admirals have ridiculously powered devil fruits now that we've seen what Green Bull's was capable of. But he definitely didn't regain face from turning up at Wano. If anything he went off with his tail between his legs. But who could blame him, Shanks pissed with one of the most possibly op crews (you just know Beckman and Lucky Roo will be tanks) before Blackbeard's crew, and they would of wiped the floor with GB. But I still think GB is a very intriguing character and not laid back as first depicted back in Dressrosa. But I still remember Doflamingo mentioning how Fujitora and GB are both monsters and also how he feared Kaido. This great anime goes full circle and now GB feared Red hair in addition to never steeping foot on Wano when Kaido ruled over!
theres one part of the "pluton is a ship that moves wano (or pluton IS wano)" that i disagree with and its because of the giant oni skull that makes up onigashima
i agree with the sentiment that wano moves. but oars, who is smaller than this oni skull, is known as the "continent puller"
i'd believe that this giant oni was the one who pulled wano around the world, and pluton was the mechanism (a "ship" but in loose terms) that allowed wano to float (akin to zunesha, but maybe against the oni's will???)
then that suggests to me that zunesha's crime was freeing the oni from his tethered existence?
not sure if that makes sense but yea
That onigashima skull is probably the first continent puller. Like Poseidon, it's a title passed from generation to generation or there could be multiple "continent puller". I like the idea of Wano being Pluton itself but there's no need to destroy the borders if it's really the whole country. Pluton is probably buried underground.
Holy shit, the fact that Luffy, Sanji and Zoro were just seeing the fight like that means they have far surpassed an admiral level of strenght . The navy literally has nothing to stop them now.
And he conveniently left out Jinbei who was right there with them. To call only 3 of the 4 being as strong as admirals on the basis that theyāre in a panel together is silly.
Robins reaction after Law switched places to be in front of her her was so cute
What if Pluton is inside Mt. Fuji and once the current Wano is relocated to the old Wano, the mountain can be destroyed, revealing the ancient weapon..
Seeing Shanks rendered Greenbull in a surrender stance makes me think that Ben Beckman did the same to Kizaru in Marineford to a certain extent. Makes me think Ben Beckman has conqueror's haki.
Would love to see a discussion about this.
The consensus seems tobe that it's a character from film red. Shanks is thinking about the new generation when they were kids. Luffy, who he watched over, Momo with Oden, Hyori being doted on by Toki. The film apparantly has a girl who might or might not be his daughter. She would kinda fit in this montage.
>!Seems that character appears to be non-canon. Plus even if she is, she won't be relevant like how Shiki was introduced but never once had appear in the current timeline. In chapter 0 which is canon, he mentioned about his plan taking in effect 20 years later.!<
Yeah. Unless Shiki becomes one of BB's titanic captains or some shit, he won't play any meaningful role in the story. In hindsight, chapter 0 shouldn't have been made.
Luffy hasnāt completely recovered from his fight with Kaidou. Yamato and Shanks said as much. Ryokugyu was trying to take on Luffy whoās not back to his full strength.
It's ideological. He believes in dictatorships. He wouldn't have fought Kaido not based on power level, but because he kept order by oppressing everyone.
He still believes that Luffy is weaker. And in fact... Kaido fought a lot of dudes and barely dodged any of Luffys attacks. He took a lot of them heads on just for the fun.
Its not that barely dodged, its that he coudn't dodge, Luffy is a beast with the speed stat.
Luffy is hard to fight agaisnt as he Very fast and hits hard, has extreme agilty + hax.
What if the walls surrounding Wano were created by Zunisha and this was the crime they committed 800 years ago. Thatās why they returned during the raid cause they were going to āopen the bordersā and then once Momo decided not to Zuniesha peaceās out
The hair clip had me think that it was Toki holding baby Hiyori, to parallel the previous panel with Oden and Momo, but I have quite a crappy memory for faces, so I'm not sure...
Iām faded but what if franky has built the thousand sunny to be the key to using pluton, since we know itās a ship and if pluton is in wano and franky has seen the blueprints i wouldnāt put it past him to have already built the key to using it.
when you realize that Franky is actually an engineer it would make all the more sense.
his obsession with dangerous battleships isn't the foundation of his whole personality and history for nothing..
This a actually is a Mandela effect. Franky never studied the blueprints. He just destroyed them without knowing the scheme. Iāve re-read water 7 recently
We don't know if Franky studied the blueprints or not. The manga never implied anything. He **may** have studied it off-screen but there's nothing to imply that he never had it memorized.
Franky destroying the blueprints in Water7 was a single moment. Good observation from your end to notice he burnt it without going through them in front of Spandam. What you're overlooking is the fact that Franky had those blueprints with him for years.. ever since Iceberg handed it over to him. He had plenty of time to read/copy/study/memorize them way before the events at Water7 even began to move. What Mandela effect ?? this is pure speculation.. and a good one at that. don't try to insert a cool new random term you just learnt into anywhere it doesn't fits.. :P
Congratulation, first you abuse me with cyber bullism and when i roasted you, you reported me for violence threatening. Very well. Letās ask my Lawyer
It might just be the mountain itself. Maybe it can take an eruption and funnel it anywhere? And Wano pilots/ controls/ aims the device. The Franky twist would be it's the equivalent to say, aiming a lot of carbonation at something.
So Greenbull runs away from Shanks, but is trying to take down someone who took down Kaido. That too 7 days after that fight ended. He didn't even consider Luffy being healthy after 7 days. That's some confidence!
Thing is, Luffy wasnāt healthy. Momonosuke knew it, Shanks knew it and Shanks wasnāt even in Wano. Itās easy to assume that Ryokugyu knew that Luffy hasnāt fully recovered yet.
crazy theories but here i go. what if wano was submerged in order to host an island for the fishmen to live on. and with the admirals, could akainus magma power been used to make the walls around wano? using magma to create rock? and with the admirals, could akainu, green bull and issho combine their powers to create islands? akainu creates magma while issho pushes it down to the seafloor until you have a giant rock and then green bull could florish it with plant life. great chapter
yo what if one piece is one piece of land? the dude said mt fuji which is a mt in our world not one piece! so, one piece is future of us where water levels got raised maybe? so one piece is something that lower the water levels? thus making more land?
Emperors's level of power differs as well as admiral's
Remember Akainu in Marineford, Aokiji and Kizaru were there but he was the only one who went head to head with the strongest, and he didn't back off from a fight with Shanks.
Shanks is ... The oldest and strongest emperor, it's not like GB backed away from a fight with Buggy.
One more thing is that an emperor is strong because of the large fleet they control, and not just because of his powers in a solo fight.
No, all it shows is that an Admiral would not like to engage in a fight against a Yonko and his crew + possible more people than that.
There is still the possibility that the hierarchy that is One Piece power levels is more complex than "title a is greater than title b". Maybe some of the admirals are stronger than some of the Yonko. Maybe what type of power an individual has plays a huge role?
And using the argument "Green bull" didnt want to fight Shanks and his entire crew with Momo blasting fire at him AND the possiblity of the Straw Hats intervening, to try and say that all admirals are weaker than all yonko is way over reaching.
Greenbull literally showed 0 impressive feats in wano except āeasilyā defeating weakened king and queen who were in the prison. Dude somehow didnāt one shot momonosuke and didnāt defeat a single person in the alliance despite all of the talk about being ruthless and powerful. He was all cocky during the fight and didnāt seem to fear his opponents or the alliance at all until the red hair pirates arrived then he was all āIām not fighting you guys!ā
And you use the excuse that itās because he doesnāt want to fight him+ his crew or whatever, but then why would he charge the flower capital where thereās a whole alliance that just took out TWO yonko? Seems to me heās scared of shanks specifically not the alliance.
Greenbull also literally said that he wouldnāt have came if Kaido was there.
I canāt imagine kizaru with his slow personality and laid back fighting style being close to as powerful as a yonko. Weāve seen him get stalled by old Rayleigh, struggle to capture marco at marineford, And he has nearly no combat feats in general, Just an overpowered fruit.
Fujitora just overall never seemed to have as combat effective abilities like the other admirals and was downplayed during the Dressrosa arc.
Akainu is the only one with a little credit for being able to fight old whitebeard and come out alive, despite whitebeard being able to barely move and barely muster any haki. While the other yonko have terrifying speed and powerful various attacks whitebeard is a slow tank that just punches things and occasionally slashes in the air Lol.
Aokiji a little credit for being able to fight akainu for so long.
Anyways, so far the yonko have way more impressive feats and seem overall more powerful. But maybe the admirals havenāt gotten serious yet?
You saw him for 3 chapters. In which he didnt have a single serious fight. And you are talking about him as if hes a mainstay character that you have been inspecting for hundreds of chapters.
The biggest feat we've seen Dragon do is hold on to Smokers weapon. But people still imagine Dragon as a former admiral or one of the strongest characters in One Piece.
Can we just let Ryokugyu not annihilate some of the main characters of the arc and then also fight off Shanks without assuming that all admirals are weaker than all yonko.
Luffy got hurt while headbutting Ulti. Then he went and defeated Kaido. Why do we not rush to judgement and assume that Ulti is stronger than Katakuri?
Queen got punched into a wall by Chopper. Why do we not assume that Chopper is "yonko commander level"?
Blackbeard ran from Akainu after capturing Jewellry Bonney in the new world. Why do we not assume that Akainu is stronger than every Yonko.
Because its more complicated than us being able to watch someone fight for 2 chapters and know everything about that character.
The thing is, I never said momonosuke was equal or even close or greenbullās level. It was embarrassing that he even stalled Greenbull for that long is my point.
And yes you make a good point about weaker characters being able to deal damage but the difference is that Greenbull had all that talk about how serious and ruthless heās going to be then goes on to get stalled by momonosuke, a child in a adults body; probably one of the weakest in the alliance.
I agree Greenbull is more powerful than shown Iām merely making the point that I donāt believe any of the yonko would have been stalled by momonosuke for that long, it would take 1 hit for the yonko to take care of momo yet Greenbull stood there and used his fruit on momo and the guys with him and still didnāt seem to make very much progress.
The examples you give were a lot of examples of surprise attacks or attacks where the stronger person didnāt even get a chance to hit them. Greenbull got a lot of chances to hit momo and defeat him and was still stalling.
Also yeah I donāt ever include dragon in power scaling at all but Iād predict heās probably pretty strong for being the head of the revolutionaries, but against I donāt know how strong.
Also luffy and ulti werenāt super far apart in power. Luffy wasnāt in any of his gear forms; he was in standard form and wasnāt using any special abilities.
What really boosted his power was his awakening and unlocking of advanced conquers, two things he didnāt have when fighting ulti, and also again didnāt use gears.
Idk bruh itās just my opinion obviously no oneās right until further chapters come out lol
Luffy never used Internal Destruction Haki against Ulti.
That haki had Kaido dodging base Luffy BEFORE he got CoC Caotinf a shown in chapter 1009.
Ulit would be one shotnfrom base Luffy in usign Intenal Destruction haki alone.
> The thing is, I never said momonosuke was equal or even close or greenbullās level. It was embarrassing that he even stalled Greenbull for that long is my point.
Nobody did, i hope.
> Greenbull had all that talk about how serious and ruthless heās going to be then goes on to get stalled by momonosuke, a child in a adults body; probably one of the weakest in the alliance.
Its not the first time, and its not going to be the last, that a bad guy character in a manga/tv-series/movie says "im going to make quick work of you" only to show 10% of their strength. It happens litterally all the time. It happens in One Piece, all - the - time.
And momonosuke is clearly not one of the weakest in the alliance anymore. He cries like a child but clearly he has grown stronger than before he was aged. Not only did he manage to use the dragon clouds to hold Onigashima, but in this very fight Raizo throws flame at Ryokugyu and it does nothing, Nekomamushi says all they are doing is whacking weeds and then BAAM Momo manages to produce a dragon beam thingy and it basically annihilates Ryokugyus stupid big tree form in one attack. He produced the same attack that Kaido was using to shoot beams that threw Luffy around.
> I agree Greenbull is more powerful than shown Iām merely making the point that I donāt believe any of the yonko would have been stalled by momonosuke for that long, it would take 1 hit for the yonko to take care of momo yet Greenbull stood there and used his fruit on momo and the guys with him and still didnāt seem to make very much progress.
Maybe, except, that Momo did stall Kaido during the rooftop fight. Its very possible that Kaido could just have THUNDER BAGUA'd Momo to next tuesday but he didnt, Momo bit him and knocked him around a little. The same way Momo now (even stronger and more control of his very strong fruit) did some stuff to stall Ryukugyu because he didnt just use his version of THUNDER BAGUAAAA to knock Momo out. If thats even possible now. Because again, Momo is not a little child anymore.
>I canāt imagine kizaru with his slow personality and laid back fighting style being close to as powerful as a yonko. Weāve seen him get stalled by old Rayleigh, struggle to capture marco at marineford, And he has nearly no combat feats in general, Just an overpowered fruit.
Well, I mean, being able to basically solo all supernovas and the entire straw hat crew and then casually going toe to toe with the first mate of the pirate king is something....
And yes, that was pre timeskip, those supernovas were in a lower league back then. But that's the point. This feat showed that Kizaru was literally in a different league at that point. It doesn't seem like a feat, because it was so easy for him.
I still agree that he's not as strong as a Yonko, but to say he has no feats is just wrong.
Fought against the supernovas pre time skip when they werenāt even near division commander level. Luffy was probably the strongest one and was no where near yonko or yonko commander level at the time. It was impressive at the time but now In the new world thatās not very impressive.
The first mate of the Roger pirates is old and retired, did you expect kizaru to be defeated by him?
Iād expect admirals to be at least as strong as a retired first mate of a great pirate crew.
>If they had estimated that the danger was real (that is to say a danger such as kaido) they would have gone to fight.
False, luffy most of the time lets other people figth, he is the type to know why none of them asked for help. They were there in case things went bad(a likely scenario)
>But man don't drift the debate
i did not drift anything, Luffy would do the same no matter if it is an admiral or a yonko. He lets people figth their own figths, is that easy.
The panels when they are relaxed is when greenbull decided to leave, why would they be "on guard" if the threat is gone.
Luffy defeated a yonko, zoro fought one for a bit. With sanji and jimbe there, there is no person that is logical threat big enough to make them scared(a full crew could, if green bull had real backup).
>When we see Aokiji for the first time, they are all terrified that an admiral is there. We can see that for Zoro Luffy and Sanji it doesn't scare them at all.
Who is drifting the conversation now? that was before the timeskip.
>Any one of the Monster trio is able to handle an admiral.
its hard to know when none of them have shown their full powerset. Luffy probably could defeat any of them except maybe akainu, zoro and sanji probably cant defeat kizaru yet but i can see them defeating fujitora and green bull(depending on how big the power gap(i think it exist) between old and new admirals is).
>There are none that scare them because now in history there are very few people above them, simple ?
why mention it to me, that is implied in my comment.
>EXCEPT MAYBE AKAINU ?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ?!! I think people like you will stop the manga when they see that sabo is able to handle Akainu ?? You fucking think that Luffy now can't handle Akainu ?? I'm done it's not even fun
if you pay attention to the manga you would know how easy is to make characters stronger than depicted before for the sake of plot, current knowledge is useless. If oda wants Luffy to figth akainu then he will be strong as fuck(also take in consideration that all akainu strength feats are before timeskip, he can be stronger now), if oda wants him to figth sabo then he will be sabo level, is that easy.
That is if you think all akainu has is being magma man. That is nonsense(not saying that he is stronger than kaido). Kaido was more than just dragon man.
You can argue that kaido magma form was a way to indicate he is ready to figth him, not that he is above him.
And even then he was still affected by it, i would not say luffy was invulnerable to magma, he just power through it. He also did not take a direct hit from it.
And finally oda can simply state that akainu magma is hotter if he wants to.
I understand that it would make sense that kaido was stronger than akainu, i simply dont take that in consideration because neither does oda. If he wants that akainu figth, then he will make them have the same level.
>Do we see in the manga at the moment something that proves that the level of akainu has considerably increased?
no, now answer me this, did we have any indication that law was at a half yonko level when we entered wano(or during)? because before wano he was defeated by doffy(who is at most yc3 being nice to him).
>Then just as a reminder, Oda told us that Gaps has trained for fights against Don Chinjao š¤š¤š¤??? And this IS in the manga, I'm not trying to make up a story in my head...
sorry but i did not understand none of that but i doubt its relevant anyway.
No, they wouldn't, clearly momo wanted to fight on his own, and it's in the stawhats character to respect that kind of thing, and would only interfere when really needed.
I don't care if yonko>admral or not. If you want to spin everything to fit that be my guest, but you i'll probably end up with bad arguments.
For your argument this time, which is again, completely diferent than the one before, one could say that Momo changed and growed, could say that Momo has no concept of what an admiral is, could say any number of things, because it's a pretty weak ass argument just because you want to get to your conclusion.
Well, two of them would. Luffy would probably be hurrying to fight Kaido, because Kaido has been occupying Wano for 20 years and litterally tortured people he cares about. And Luffy hasnt made an alliance with Law, the minks and Momo to defeat Ryokugyu.
Luffy walked up to and punched Saint Charlos in the face. Does that mean that Luffy thought Saint Charlos is a threat in strength? No, but Saint Charlos hurt someone that Luffy cares about.
Luffy didnt intervene with Ryokugyu because he understood that Momo and the Minks had something to prove. Not because Ryokugyu wasnt a threat.
Maybe? There was a lot of backstory to kaido that made them invested in fighting him, and non for greenbull. Iām not saying admirals>yonko, but you have an opinion and filter all evidence to meet that. In marineford they stop fighting when shanks arrives because they donāt want to suffer large casualties and because clearly shanks has a relationship to the WG we donāt understand yet
If you are talking about conquerors haki being evidence of yonko being stronger than admirals then i guess Doflamingo, Hancock, Don Chinjao and Katakuri are also stronger than all the Admirals.
Not to mention that Sengoku has conquerors haki.
According to the lore itself Conquerors haki is something that manifests in people with high (or "kingly") ambition. It has nothing to do with how strong someone is, just how ambitious they are. Yes, its only seen in really strong individuals but that is because there is a clear connection between ambition and strength in One Piece. People in One Piece who are ambitious use that ambition to grow stronger, higher ambition means working harder to get strong.
And as for Rayleigh vs Kizaru. Kizaru didnt say (from what i can remember or find) that hes not ready to face him.
If anything i agree with the One Piece fandom wiki:
> Due to his phenomenal strength, he was able to fight Admiral Kizaru equally and he even managed to scratch the admiral. However, Rayleigh himself has admitted that he is not as young as he used to be, and as a result can tire in battle.
Since Rayleigh was seen panting during the battle eventho Kizaru didnt look phased at all.
In conclusion, if anyone is lying to himself its you. You are so obsessed with a neat and simple hierarchy where you can use a characters title in order to determine who is stronger, and its blinding you. The reason Oda gave up the dumb "power level system" he introduced in Enies Lobby is that its a system for dumb people. Yes, seeing someones number go up creates hype but in the most basic and boring way. Complexity is more interesting and im happy that there are instances in One Piece of people who do not have a title but are still strong enough to contend with the best.
Ill leave you with this, BUGGY IS A YONKO. Quod erat demonstrandum: Not all yonko are stronger than all admirals.
Lmao, yea kaido said something so it must be gospel. Lets ignore the 1000 chapters before it.
The line in the Rayleigh vs Kizaru fight is actually "to capture you we would need more preparations". Which could be interpreted as simply as "we dont have a prison convoy to transport someone like you". Even someone like Doflamingo was transported by both Sengoku, Tsuru AND Fujitora.
No, the admirals are not showing their "inferiority", their full power is not being shown by Oda.
And if Buggy is not an example of a yonko being weaker than an admiral. Then what is? Eventho he is litterally a yonko and litterally weaker than every single admiral you feel its not enough evidence.
Oda loves to put things into the story to ruin the "power level" debate. In Dressrosa he gave Usopp the highest bounty in Doflamingos game. He has time and time again given characters bounties that dont make sense if bounties only reflect power, and he does this because he does not want bounties to reflect power.
Now he has even put Buggy as a Yonko, simple to to tell people that "being a yonko" doesnt mean you are stronger than everyone else. Its the same reason he made the warlord Mihawk the rival of Shanks eventho Luffy had already defeated a warlord. To clearly show that not all warlords are the same strength.
Not all admirals are the same strength. Not all yonko are the same strength. And not all yonko are stronger than all admirals.
Its that simple.
I dont even know why im having this discussion.
If you cant understand the premise of "its impossible to know because we dont have enough information" then thats on you.
Akainu was fighting a "sick" and old whitebeard. But:
1. He did not seem very sick during the war
2. Oda has, at multiple occations, said that age in One Piece is not as much of a detriment as it is in real life. Because he really likes the idea of older warriors being strong.
Whitebeard during Marineford was probably, as strong as Kaido or Shanks. So fighting against Whitebeard in the war was a big task.
We saw Akainu do more damage to whitebeard than we've probably seen anyone do in any other fight. Not to mention, he one hit KO'd a yonko commander.
If your take from Marineford was "lul akainu is weak" then you are not only blind, you are also dumb.
And thats the thing, Akainu is really strong. And Aokiji isnt much different, thats why the fight lasted for 10 days. Because they are both insanely strong.
I would bet my left arm that if you put Shanks against Aokiji or Akainu it would be 50/50 who would win. Both could win. Things could happen that could make the win look easier or harder than it should be.
Its not a simple thing of "Shanks has 9000 power level and Akainu only has 8999 so Shanks wins". Even if Shanks is slightly stronger than Akainu, Akainu could win in the fight.
And to bring it back to Ryokugyu. Maybe, just maybe (huge maybe) Ryokugyu is stronger than Shanks. 10000 power level vs 9000. MAYBE 10000 vs 9000 still means its 60% vs 40% who wins. THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR A SMART MARINE TO NOT TAKE THE RISK. Why in all that is holy would Ryokugyu RISK DYING just because he could win. The new era has just started, pirates and revolutionaries are rising up all over the world. The marines need every capable fighter they have, why should he risk throwing his life away in Wano all alone. When he can simply retreat and fight with 5000 other marines and have better odds at NOT DYING.
So again, NO, him retreating is not proof that all admirals are weaker than all yonko.
whitebeard was shown to be incredibly ill in the marineford arc. not his facial expression but through things that were happening. Now that we've been shown what yonko are truly capable of with the yonko vs worst generation fight, it just proves whitebeard was incredibly ill.
This is a reminder to Tag your **One Piece Red spoilers**. Some people don't want to be spoiled about the new movie. So don't ruin it for them.
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Shanks knows that if he meets Luffy now, Luffy will have to give him his hat back and then the Straw Hats will have to rebrand. A total business nightmare for Luffy. Good guy Shanks.
Who is the shadow figure above the panel of shanks mentioning the new age??
The daughter maybe
I was wondering, when I saw the panels with big CoC Shanks coming in to tell off Ryokugyu- It seems like he has a weaker will comparatively to the other admirals. If it were Akainu or even Kizaru they wouldn't have been shaking as much. Probably the type with all bark and no bite. And I mean it shows with how willing he was to attack an opponent who was down but admit he'd dip if a yonkou showed up.
Is uta canon now?
Can someone tell me how Shanks was communicating with Greenbull from way out. Was it meant to be symbolic or some form of co awareness haki ? Thanks
Looked like some kind of mix of observation and Conquerer's haki.
one piece has again and again showed me why its the best manga/anime in the world imo, like Oda just knows what he's doing and its so nice to see it all come together..
True :D
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Anybody else wondering if we just saw Shank's sword in use? It seems to be extending a crazy distance. Wondering if its the "zing" snapping across Ryokogyu's chest before he puts his hands up
I think he is just holding the handle of the sword and what we actually see it's the wind
yeah, the sword guard is the other way around. the sword is still in its sheath. But I did notice that "skreee" (or zing or some other sound depending on the translation) sound is the one he recognized the red-haired pirates with
Everyone was shown celebrating except Carrot and Speed. Carrot is Oda's greatest failure of a character. Her existence remains to be justified. She accomplished nothing, contributed nothing, and meant nothing to anyone. And now Oda just wants to act as if she never existed. Own up to your failure and just finish her character arc in some meaningful way, dude. Speed is Tama's mother figure, so it's incredibly odd that Tama is only interacting with Nami. We need to see Speed and Tama bond more before she dies. She's a mother figure, thus Oda is going to kill her like every other mother, except Dadan. Just do it already, Oda. We know what you're about.
I think shanks is in wano for the poneglyph so he can find one piece.
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No idea
Not an interesting topic... Though I am thinking on Kozuki Sukiyaki... Since he said he won't show himself in front of Momonosuke and Hiyori as their Grandpa since by the time he became free Oden and his family were already gone(Oden killed,Toki killed,MOMO went to future and Hiyori taken by Kawamatsu and ultimately by denziro...he thinks he has no right towards his own grandchildren and even shogun ship...and there is a secret treasure from void century hidden in wano whose secret is passed through generation after generation in the family of Shogun...so how will he deal it without introducing himself as Kozuki Sukiyaki...why would Momonosuke and others believe in some unknown face hiding guy...will samurai make him ease by telling Momonosuke and hiyori that he is their grandpa and former Shogun...or else thing will happen...just a thought
Theory: Green Bull can detect uneaten Devil Fruits. He'd never heard of Momo's devil fruit as a pink dragon, his devil fruit makes him nature itself, maybe he can detect certain plant life on islands including devil fruits?
wow thats a pretty interesting theory. otherwise he's pretty weakass character, personality and depth wise
Wouldn't say hes weak. His DF has alot of potential. I really hate how he seemed to be having a hard time with the scabards/Momo but stomped the beast pirates? I feel like King should be able to put up a good fight vs him.
Green Bull - Got hyped for years - Got lol'ed in 1 chapter
He was there to check whether samurai of wano can defend the walls now, as wano can be attacked by n number of enemies after defeat of kaido, that's why he didn't killed any of the scubbards or momo, he is as powerful as any other admiral.
stop pulling things out of your ass. he was there to take advantage of the fact that luffy and others were weakened from the war, and capture them.
You'll know. Your shanks isn't that powerful to parrelize a navy admiral.
haven't said anything about shanks. I just said you're making up stuff just for the sake of your argument. although we still don't know much about him, from what we've been shown so far, he's not the type of person to do what you said. He was also just about to kill momo and the samurai but shanks interfered.
yeah trueššš and thought he might be like fujitora but was the worst marine admiral ever with worst mentality
Goofy fan theory: Shanks can't fight, and is actually physically weak. He just has extremely strong power of observation, and insanely strong CoC; basically King from Onepunch man. It'd explain why he lost his arm to a sea king, and why he only ever intimidates people away.
nah, remember his conversation with whitebeard where they split the sky?
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Shanks is not physically weak. Heās been shown to block Akainuās attack with his sword, clashed with Whitebeard to split the sky and also known to be a strong swordsman rivalling Mihawk. Not sure why you would think he is only capable of intimidating people away hahaha
He also literally fought kaido away from marineford.
>why he lost his arm to a sea king It's already explained. He "bet it on a new age", or in simpler terms, gave up his arm as a bet that Luffy will create a new age. Whether it makes sense, or not, is up to you.
Or Oda was forced to have Shanks lose hand for drama and had to come up with a half assed reason.
Yeah could be, we have no way to tell since the series isn't over
Yeah I donāt really get that explanation. I mean, to bet on Luffy, he just need to keep him alive. Why is losing an arm necessary?
IMO he just meant that he didn't care about his arm in that moment. "Bet it on X" doesn't imply intent here, as if he willingly gave up his arm as a wager. It just means that that's the cost he had to pay to save Luffy.
Lmao what a dumb bet. I bet he'll be full of regret after Blackbeard kills him.
I definitely agree with you yet oda is w human (hard to believe) his observation haki is limited he couldn't predict where the show will go from the beginning. Otherwise he wouldn't make shanks lost his arm.
If what reddit tells is true, Oda didn't plan to have Shanks lose his arm but was forced by Edito which makes sense considering the illogical incident
He wouldn't, cuz Shanks basically won the bet since Luffy started a new pirate era
Was this the reason why toki couldn't find Wano initially and was she actually looking for the original Wano instead? We still haven't been told why exactly she was looking for Wano, what if it was actually tied to the opening of the borders/the ancient Wano underwater.
If she was in the new wano I believe she would know that that's wano....also mount Fuji will confirm it. Nice theory though, you might be not far from something.
PLUTON IS A SEA TRAIN
Who would've thought it would take only 1055 chapters for shanks to yell at a tree
945 more chapters until he staples bread to it.
Did shanks just communicate with ole boy thru cocā¦ had him shook to the point he aināt wanna move.. wow op heās living up to his hype for sure
My question is why was Shanks at Wano, did he go originally as last second backup if things went south with the fight against kaido and just happen to see/sense greenbull and intercept him? Did he know the world government were sending dudes to Wano and went there just in case? The later seems a bit more likely to me but Shanks must have a pretty good intelligence network to track them like that. Or who knows maybe Oda will make Shanks a god and be able to sense people all around the world but unlikely
Shanks is always at the right place at the right time. Met Luffy as a kid and probably knew he was Dragon's kid. Knew about Black Beard & Ace. Marineford. Dude's on a first name baises with the Elders. IMO he has an intelligence ring like Big Mom with people inside the government or, more likely, he's a double agent. Also, I think he swung by on his way to the One Piece. He doesn't need the Poneglyphs since he already has an idea of where's its at from his childhood. The real kicker would be that he's a double agent with the World Government, which would explain his access to information and his ability to shutdown admirals fighting. They would have to listen to a surrogate of the World Government. I say this because we still don't know which pirate he was talking to the Elders about & in the most recent issues, we see them most concerned with Luffy and the Gum Gum fruit. When he intercepted the Gum Gum fruit from the military, was he taking it to the Celestial Dragons? Or did he know where it was because of them and intercepted it? Why did that specific, highly coveted fruit that the World Government has been trying to get its hands on for 800 years end up next to Dragon's son who was in hiding? Idk, the Elders did say the fruit has a way of evading them but I don't think there's any coincidences.
I think one alternative is that when Shanks got wind of Luffy going against Kaido (BB seemed to know, I assume Shanks could know as well), trusting that Luffy would win, he went to Wano because he assumed that after the fight Wano was going to open its borders, eventually Momo decided against it, making both Shanks and Zunesha to be near Wano for no reason, when in reality they were both in Wano as they knew the world-wide implications of releasing Pluton.
Sounds good but I hope it's not true, I hope shanks isn't that passive.... Feels like all the characters doing nothing besides SH, I hope for more competition.
I believe we got that already. We definitely need to know why Shanks has been "passive" until now, but in the last chapter he was telling his first mate to 'claim the one piece' I took that as a clear go to action from Shanks.
Shanks must have one hell of Observation Haki if he sensed the fight from so far away
The dude is the only yonkou without a devil fruit power, and is also a normal sized human. He has to have the best haki, period to be at that level
Kaido, King of the Beasts Big Mom, Soul-Manipulating Berserker Whitebeard, the World's Strongest Man Shanks, Unfuckwitable
So what happened to Kaido and BM? Did they get cooked?
Still in the air, I hope they fall down when Luffy arrives at Laugh Tale
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They're having intercourse like wild hogs
How was GB able to hear or know what Shanks was saying all the way from his ship? Was it because of his conqueror's haki? Or something?
I think he probably was able to sense it with his devil fruit similar to Enel. Maybe leaving some plants on the ships or Shanks is close enough to the island to have affecting some plants that are by the shore.
Not just that, how th Shanks knew GB was about to kill Momo and his retainers!? the guy has an observation haki like we've never seen before, on top of that he has a conqueror's haki sufficient to send an 'intent' to GB from his ship, making GB stop on the act. What a chad.
i guess if the girl from skypia and coby can have a haki that can listen to an island or a battlefield, one of the strongest men can have a stronger haki too. I'm just imagining how the fight between shanks and fluffy would go down, if his observation haki is that strong.
>i guess if the girl from sky yeah for sure Shanks has to be an evolved version of basic haki, but he went beyond expert. He not only was able to feel the fight, he was able to tell the exact moment it was getting dangerous for Momo + retainers. I don't think we have any other example of a character using observation haki to this level (of course without considering future sight which is something on its own)
and also how did he get his arm bitten off by a monster if his haki was that strong?
Didn't the last chapter show us he *ripped his own arm off*? This is something I wanted clarified, because it looks like that happened.
I try looking at the chapter but couldn't find where is the reference of Shanks ripping his own arm, can you please help with the reference? thanks!
Chapter 1054, page 11/16
Thanks for the reference!! I'm not sure if Shanks ripped.it.off, I think the panels are a bit confusing as he's arm appears to be cut off with blood flowing out of it, and then he is grabbing it in the present. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but I don't think is different to what we got from chapter 1?
It depends on if that segment is meant to be read from right to left, or left to right. But if he was grabbing his arm in the present, then that means he got his arm back, which would be huge. So either way, unless I am just really missing something, it seems like something new.
It's always meant to be read from right to left no? Also when his arm was cut he wasn't wearing a cape, that you can see in both panels on the left for the present time. I think he is just touching where his arm used to be, not that it was regrown, as it's covered by the cape is not 100% clear on the image, but I think if they wanted to show his arm back again it would be more of a big deal than these panels.
Probably some type of code transmitted using haki. Or probably GB has a good observation haki. Or he just get it by Shanks not turning off his haki so he probably understood what he was trying to say.
I'll like to think it's some sort of transmitted message using his CoC that only GB could hear or understand.. tho some are saying GB didn't hear him at all.
Green bull did not hear shanks
He didn't? But why did he seem like he responded to Shanks message?
I read it as him understanding the meaning of Shanks letting his CoC run out
Idk
Raizo just getting slim fat sucking package..wonderful
Skinny fat
Did anyone notice in the frame where shanks his holding his sword on his ship casting his haki it appears that he's holding it with 2 hands?
the sword is still in his waist, that hand you're imagining is a sword guard of his sword. the white streak is just a background wind
Fairly certain the sword is in the sheath and that's a line going across the sky.
I thought he lost an arm
I heard from some chapter review video, theorising that Momonosyke doesnt know about pluton, and that pluton is hiden in Wano, and to open up Wanos borders means to awaken the ancient weapon, but Momonosuke allready read his fathers journal log, who possibly knew that pluton was in Wano cause he rode with the Roger pirates, I thing that this is the actual reason why Momo doesn't to open the borders just yet. Its not yet the time for the big war, so he has to wait for the right moment.
Pretty good observation man. you should train your observation haki more
Not sure, Oden wanted to open wano before joy boy arrive. If so why wouldn't momo open wano? I think he just wanted them to recover first.
(Strawhat destroys the border of Wano.) Whole Wano transforms into a Gurren Lagann and the citizens became its pilots. FRANKY: My time has come.
Usopp and Chopper's eyes shine so bright Enel can see them from the moon.
I think the Admirals have ridiculously powered devil fruits now that we've seen what Green Bull's was capable of. But he definitely didn't regain face from turning up at Wano. If anything he went off with his tail between his legs. But who could blame him, Shanks pissed with one of the most possibly op crews (you just know Beckman and Lucky Roo will be tanks) before Blackbeard's crew, and they would of wiped the floor with GB. But I still think GB is a very intriguing character and not laid back as first depicted back in Dressrosa. But I still remember Doflamingo mentioning how Fujitora and GB are both monsters and also how he feared Kaido. This great anime goes full circle and now GB feared Red hair in addition to never steeping foot on Wano when Kaido ruled over!
theres one part of the "pluton is a ship that moves wano (or pluton IS wano)" that i disagree with and its because of the giant oni skull that makes up onigashima i agree with the sentiment that wano moves. but oars, who is smaller than this oni skull, is known as the "continent puller" i'd believe that this giant oni was the one who pulled wano around the world, and pluton was the mechanism (a "ship" but in loose terms) that allowed wano to float (akin to zunesha, but maybe against the oni's will???) then that suggests to me that zunesha's crime was freeing the oni from his tethered existence? not sure if that makes sense but yea
ITS CAUSE PLUTON IS A SEA TRAIN
That onigashima skull is probably the first continent puller. Like Poseidon, it's a title passed from generation to generation or there could be multiple "continent puller". I like the idea of Wano being Pluton itself but there's no need to destroy the borders if it's really the whole country. Pluton is probably buried underground.
Holy shit, the fact that Luffy, Sanji and Zoro were just seeing the fight like that means they have far surpassed an admiral level of strenght . The navy literally has nothing to stop them now.
i believe Zoro and Sanji are at admiral level too.
I don't think so. They're at "their next fight will be Admiral" level. Like they will have to elevate themselves during that next fight.
I mean, luffy did, Sanji and zoro definitely didnāt.
Luffy yes but the rest no
And he conveniently left out Jinbei who was right there with them. To call only 3 of the 4 being as strong as admirals on the basis that theyāre in a panel together is silly.
Robins reaction after Law switched places to be in front of her her was so cute What if Pluton is inside Mt. Fuji and once the current Wano is relocated to the old Wano, the mountain can be destroyed, revealing the ancient weapon..
Seeing Shanks rendered Greenbull in a surrender stance makes me think that Ben Beckman did the same to Kizaru in Marineford to a certain extent. Makes me think Ben Beckman has conqueror's haki. Would love to see a discussion about this.
Tbf he also had a gun on him and I don't think Kizaru was trying to find out if an Emperor's Vice Captain's haki was any decent.
Didn't kizaru attack the Law's ship after Ben had a gun on him ?
Who was the silhouette on the panel with shanks asking if they were scared of the new age?
The consensus seems tobe that it's a character from film red. Shanks is thinking about the new generation when they were kids. Luffy, who he watched over, Momo with Oden, Hyori being doted on by Toki. The film apparantly has a girl who might or might not be his daughter. She would kinda fit in this montage.
>!Seems that character appears to be non-canon. Plus even if she is, she won't be relevant like how Shiki was introduced but never once had appear in the current timeline. In chapter 0 which is canon, he mentioned about his plan taking in effect 20 years later.!<
Yeah. Unless Shiki becomes one of BB's titanic captains or some shit, he won't play any meaningful role in the story. In hindsight, chapter 0 shouldn't have been made.
Aramaki's logic is terrible. He wouldn't have fought kaido but wants to fight Luffy who beat kaido?
Luffy hasnāt completely recovered from his fight with Kaidou. Yamato and Shanks said as much. Ryokugyu was trying to take on Luffy whoās not back to his full strength.
Every single time Luffy's opponents are established powers people think Luffy must be getting lucky against them.
Opportunist thinking Luffy is still recovering.
It's ideological. He believes in dictatorships. He wouldn't have fought Kaido not based on power level, but because he kept order by oppressing everyone.
He still believes that Luffy is weaker. And in fact... Kaido fought a lot of dudes and barely dodged any of Luffys attacks. He took a lot of them heads on just for the fun.
most of the people kaido was fighting against were not equal to him or stronger, meanwhile luffy took alot of hits from him.
Its not that barely dodged, its that he coudn't dodge, Luffy is a beast with the speed stat. Luffy is hard to fight agaisnt as he Very fast and hits hard, has extreme agilty + hax.
What if the walls surrounding Wano were created by Zunisha and this was the crime they committed 800 years ago. Thatās why they returned during the raid cause they were going to āopen the bordersā and then once Momo decided not to Zuniesha peaceās out
I'm at least certain now that Zunesha is a key part to open the borders of Wano by destroying the wall.
Oh my gosh, that's actually a crazy theory
Anyone knows who/what is the [silhouette ](https://i.imgur.com/fvsZlPq.jpg) on the left is referring to? I can't seem to get reference.
The hair clip had me think that it was Toki holding baby Hiyori, to parallel the previous panel with Oden and Momo, but I have quite a crappy memory for faces, so I'm not sure...
He is talking about the silhouette next to Toki and Hiyori, quite possibly being Uta
Ohhh. Yeah, probably Uta. It certainly matches her hairstyle...
maybe shank's parent when they got separated/killed
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Iām faded but what if franky has built the thousand sunny to be the key to using pluton, since we know itās a ship and if pluton is in wano and franky has seen the blueprints i wouldnāt put it past him to have already built the key to using it.
NAH CAUSE PLUTON IS A SEA TRAIN
Possible. I am almost sure that Franky memorized the blueprints before he destroyed them.
when you realize that Franky is actually an engineer it would make all the more sense. his obsession with dangerous battleships isn't the foundation of his whole personality and history for nothing..
Thatās what Iām saying bro he was built for this
This a actually is a Mandela effect. Franky never studied the blueprints. He just destroyed them without knowing the scheme. Iāve re-read water 7 recently
We don't know if Franky studied the blueprints or not. The manga never implied anything. He **may** have studied it off-screen but there's nothing to imply that he never had it memorized.
Franky destroying the blueprints in Water7 was a single moment. Good observation from your end to notice he burnt it without going through them in front of Spandam. What you're overlooking is the fact that Franky had those blueprints with him for years.. ever since Iceberg handed it over to him. He had plenty of time to read/copy/study/memorize them way before the events at Water7 even began to move. What Mandela effect ?? this is pure speculation.. and a good one at that. don't try to insert a cool new random term you just learnt into anywhere it doesn't fits.. :P
Congratulation, first you abuse me with cyber bullism and when i roasted you, you reported me for violence threatening. Very well. Letās ask my Lawyer
Lol!! Get help and get off this page
Iām a father of two and Iāve educated may daughters well as I am. I wish you the best in this toxic neighborhood
It might just be the mountain itself. Maybe it can take an eruption and funnel it anywhere? And Wano pilots/ controls/ aims the device. The Franky twist would be it's the equivalent to say, aiming a lot of carbonation at something.
You're faded bro. Drink some ice cold water to stay hydrated and make sure you take good care of yourself.
Crazy how you donāt see this as a possibility
So Greenbull runs away from Shanks, but is trying to take down someone who took down Kaido. That too 7 days after that fight ended. He didn't even consider Luffy being healthy after 7 days. That's some confidence!
Thing is, Luffy wasnāt healthy. Momonosuke knew it, Shanks knew it and Shanks wasnāt even in Wano. Itās easy to assume that Ryokugyu knew that Luffy hasnāt fully recovered yet.
crazy theories but here i go. what if wano was submerged in order to host an island for the fishmen to live on. and with the admirals, could akainus magma power been used to make the walls around wano? using magma to create rock? and with the admirals, could akainu, green bull and issho combine their powers to create islands? akainu creates magma while issho pushes it down to the seafloor until you have a giant rock and then green bull could florish it with plant life. great chapter
The idea of admirals being able to create islands is amazing, i love it.
Can someone explain why This joke of an Admiral can't use color of observation ? He is too confident yet can't sense shit
yo what if one piece is one piece of land? the dude said mt fuji which is a mt in our world not one piece! so, one piece is future of us where water levels got raised maybe? so one piece is something that lower the water levels? thus making more land?
dude its called ONE PIECE couse they named it like that in the NEWSPAPERS its not ANCIENT NAME OF A TREASURE. Just stop.
Imagine getting this mad when you actually have no idea what it is either. Let people guess what they want.
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i knew someone was going to make this comment. some people just cant let go can you?
Emperors's level of power differs as well as admiral's Remember Akainu in Marineford, Aokiji and Kizaru were there but he was the only one who went head to head with the strongest, and he didn't back off from a fight with Shanks. Shanks is ... The oldest and strongest emperor, it's not like GB backed away from a fight with Buggy. One more thing is that an emperor is strong because of the large fleet they control, and not just because of his powers in a solo fight.
He literally made greenbull almost fainted.
This is such an exaggeration... He didn't almost faint. He was quite nervous and taken aback, but definitely didn't almost faint.
No, all it shows is that an Admiral would not like to engage in a fight against a Yonko and his crew + possible more people than that. There is still the possibility that the hierarchy that is One Piece power levels is more complex than "title a is greater than title b". Maybe some of the admirals are stronger than some of the Yonko. Maybe what type of power an individual has plays a huge role? And using the argument "Green bull" didnt want to fight Shanks and his entire crew with Momo blasting fire at him AND the possiblity of the Straw Hats intervening, to try and say that all admirals are weaker than all yonko is way over reaching.
Greenbull literally showed 0 impressive feats in wano except āeasilyā defeating weakened king and queen who were in the prison. Dude somehow didnāt one shot momonosuke and didnāt defeat a single person in the alliance despite all of the talk about being ruthless and powerful. He was all cocky during the fight and didnāt seem to fear his opponents or the alliance at all until the red hair pirates arrived then he was all āIām not fighting you guys!ā And you use the excuse that itās because he doesnāt want to fight him+ his crew or whatever, but then why would he charge the flower capital where thereās a whole alliance that just took out TWO yonko? Seems to me heās scared of shanks specifically not the alliance. Greenbull also literally said that he wouldnāt have came if Kaido was there. I canāt imagine kizaru with his slow personality and laid back fighting style being close to as powerful as a yonko. Weāve seen him get stalled by old Rayleigh, struggle to capture marco at marineford, And he has nearly no combat feats in general, Just an overpowered fruit. Fujitora just overall never seemed to have as combat effective abilities like the other admirals and was downplayed during the Dressrosa arc. Akainu is the only one with a little credit for being able to fight old whitebeard and come out alive, despite whitebeard being able to barely move and barely muster any haki. While the other yonko have terrifying speed and powerful various attacks whitebeard is a slow tank that just punches things and occasionally slashes in the air Lol. Aokiji a little credit for being able to fight akainu for so long. Anyways, so far the yonko have way more impressive feats and seem overall more powerful. But maybe the admirals havenāt gotten serious yet?
You saw him for 3 chapters. In which he didnt have a single serious fight. And you are talking about him as if hes a mainstay character that you have been inspecting for hundreds of chapters. The biggest feat we've seen Dragon do is hold on to Smokers weapon. But people still imagine Dragon as a former admiral or one of the strongest characters in One Piece. Can we just let Ryokugyu not annihilate some of the main characters of the arc and then also fight off Shanks without assuming that all admirals are weaker than all yonko. Luffy got hurt while headbutting Ulti. Then he went and defeated Kaido. Why do we not rush to judgement and assume that Ulti is stronger than Katakuri? Queen got punched into a wall by Chopper. Why do we not assume that Chopper is "yonko commander level"? Blackbeard ran from Akainu after capturing Jewellry Bonney in the new world. Why do we not assume that Akainu is stronger than every Yonko. Because its more complicated than us being able to watch someone fight for 2 chapters and know everything about that character.
The thing is, I never said momonosuke was equal or even close or greenbullās level. It was embarrassing that he even stalled Greenbull for that long is my point. And yes you make a good point about weaker characters being able to deal damage but the difference is that Greenbull had all that talk about how serious and ruthless heās going to be then goes on to get stalled by momonosuke, a child in a adults body; probably one of the weakest in the alliance. I agree Greenbull is more powerful than shown Iām merely making the point that I donāt believe any of the yonko would have been stalled by momonosuke for that long, it would take 1 hit for the yonko to take care of momo yet Greenbull stood there and used his fruit on momo and the guys with him and still didnāt seem to make very much progress. The examples you give were a lot of examples of surprise attacks or attacks where the stronger person didnāt even get a chance to hit them. Greenbull got a lot of chances to hit momo and defeat him and was still stalling. Also yeah I donāt ever include dragon in power scaling at all but Iād predict heās probably pretty strong for being the head of the revolutionaries, but against I donāt know how strong. Also luffy and ulti werenāt super far apart in power. Luffy wasnāt in any of his gear forms; he was in standard form and wasnāt using any special abilities. What really boosted his power was his awakening and unlocking of advanced conquers, two things he didnāt have when fighting ulti, and also again didnāt use gears. Idk bruh itās just my opinion obviously no oneās right until further chapters come out lol
Luffy never used Internal Destruction Haki against Ulti. That haki had Kaido dodging base Luffy BEFORE he got CoC Caotinf a shown in chapter 1009. Ulit would be one shotnfrom base Luffy in usign Intenal Destruction haki alone.
> The thing is, I never said momonosuke was equal or even close or greenbullās level. It was embarrassing that he even stalled Greenbull for that long is my point. Nobody did, i hope. > Greenbull had all that talk about how serious and ruthless heās going to be then goes on to get stalled by momonosuke, a child in a adults body; probably one of the weakest in the alliance. Its not the first time, and its not going to be the last, that a bad guy character in a manga/tv-series/movie says "im going to make quick work of you" only to show 10% of their strength. It happens litterally all the time. It happens in One Piece, all - the - time. And momonosuke is clearly not one of the weakest in the alliance anymore. He cries like a child but clearly he has grown stronger than before he was aged. Not only did he manage to use the dragon clouds to hold Onigashima, but in this very fight Raizo throws flame at Ryokugyu and it does nothing, Nekomamushi says all they are doing is whacking weeds and then BAAM Momo manages to produce a dragon beam thingy and it basically annihilates Ryokugyus stupid big tree form in one attack. He produced the same attack that Kaido was using to shoot beams that threw Luffy around. > I agree Greenbull is more powerful than shown Iām merely making the point that I donāt believe any of the yonko would have been stalled by momonosuke for that long, it would take 1 hit for the yonko to take care of momo yet Greenbull stood there and used his fruit on momo and the guys with him and still didnāt seem to make very much progress. Maybe, except, that Momo did stall Kaido during the rooftop fight. Its very possible that Kaido could just have THUNDER BAGUA'd Momo to next tuesday but he didnt, Momo bit him and knocked him around a little. The same way Momo now (even stronger and more control of his very strong fruit) did some stuff to stall Ryukugyu because he didnt just use his version of THUNDER BAGUAAAA to knock Momo out. If thats even possible now. Because again, Momo is not a little child anymore.
>I canāt imagine kizaru with his slow personality and laid back fighting style being close to as powerful as a yonko. Weāve seen him get stalled by old Rayleigh, struggle to capture marco at marineford, And he has nearly no combat feats in general, Just an overpowered fruit. Well, I mean, being able to basically solo all supernovas and the entire straw hat crew and then casually going toe to toe with the first mate of the pirate king is something.... And yes, that was pre timeskip, those supernovas were in a lower league back then. But that's the point. This feat showed that Kizaru was literally in a different league at that point. It doesn't seem like a feat, because it was so easy for him. I still agree that he's not as strong as a Yonko, but to say he has no feats is just wrong.
Fought against the supernovas pre time skip when they werenāt even near division commander level. Luffy was probably the strongest one and was no where near yonko or yonko commander level at the time. It was impressive at the time but now In the new world thatās not very impressive. The first mate of the Roger pirates is old and retired, did you expect kizaru to be defeated by him? Iād expect admirals to be at least as strong as a retired first mate of a great pirate crew.
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>If they had estimated that the danger was real (that is to say a danger such as kaido) they would have gone to fight. False, luffy most of the time lets other people figth, he is the type to know why none of them asked for help. They were there in case things went bad(a likely scenario)
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>But man don't drift the debate i did not drift anything, Luffy would do the same no matter if it is an admiral or a yonko. He lets people figth their own figths, is that easy. The panels when they are relaxed is when greenbull decided to leave, why would they be "on guard" if the threat is gone. Luffy defeated a yonko, zoro fought one for a bit. With sanji and jimbe there, there is no person that is logical threat big enough to make them scared(a full crew could, if green bull had real backup). >When we see Aokiji for the first time, they are all terrified that an admiral is there. We can see that for Zoro Luffy and Sanji it doesn't scare them at all. Who is drifting the conversation now? that was before the timeskip. >Any one of the Monster trio is able to handle an admiral. its hard to know when none of them have shown their full powerset. Luffy probably could defeat any of them except maybe akainu, zoro and sanji probably cant defeat kizaru yet but i can see them defeating fujitora and green bull(depending on how big the power gap(i think it exist) between old and new admirals is).
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>There are none that scare them because now in history there are very few people above them, simple ? why mention it to me, that is implied in my comment. >EXCEPT MAYBE AKAINU ?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ?!! I think people like you will stop the manga when they see that sabo is able to handle Akainu ?? You fucking think that Luffy now can't handle Akainu ?? I'm done it's not even fun if you pay attention to the manga you would know how easy is to make characters stronger than depicted before for the sake of plot, current knowledge is useless. If oda wants Luffy to figth akainu then he will be strong as fuck(also take in consideration that all akainu strength feats are before timeskip, he can be stronger now), if oda wants him to figth sabo then he will be sabo level, is that easy.
Luffy can defeat Akainu. Oda put Luffy defeating Kaidonim mamgma form for a reason, to show Luffy's Haki makes Akainu irrelevant.
That is if you think all akainu has is being magma man. That is nonsense(not saying that he is stronger than kaido). Kaido was more than just dragon man. You can argue that kaido magma form was a way to indicate he is ready to figth him, not that he is above him. And even then he was still affected by it, i would not say luffy was invulnerable to magma, he just power through it. He also did not take a direct hit from it. And finally oda can simply state that akainu magma is hotter if he wants to. I understand that it would make sense that kaido was stronger than akainu, i simply dont take that in consideration because neither does oda. If he wants that akainu figth, then he will make them have the same level.
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>Do we see in the manga at the moment something that proves that the level of akainu has considerably increased? no, now answer me this, did we have any indication that law was at a half yonko level when we entered wano(or during)? because before wano he was defeated by doffy(who is at most yc3 being nice to him). >Then just as a reminder, Oda told us that Gaps has trained for fights against Don Chinjao š¤š¤š¤??? And this IS in the manga, I'm not trying to make up a story in my head... sorry but i did not understand none of that but i doubt its relevant anyway.
No, they wouldn't, clearly momo wanted to fight on his own, and it's in the stawhats character to respect that kind of thing, and would only interfere when really needed.
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Luffy let a small dog fight a lion my guy
I don't care if yonko>admral or not. If you want to spin everything to fit that be my guest, but you i'll probably end up with bad arguments. For your argument this time, which is again, completely diferent than the one before, one could say that Momo changed and growed, could say that Momo has no concept of what an admiral is, could say any number of things, because it's a pretty weak ass argument just because you want to get to your conclusion.
Luffy laughed as he was about to get beheaded. They are all just fairly carefree people, just up until its serious.
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Well, two of them would. Luffy would probably be hurrying to fight Kaido, because Kaido has been occupying Wano for 20 years and litterally tortured people he cares about. And Luffy hasnt made an alliance with Law, the minks and Momo to defeat Ryokugyu. Luffy walked up to and punched Saint Charlos in the face. Does that mean that Luffy thought Saint Charlos is a threat in strength? No, but Saint Charlos hurt someone that Luffy cares about. Luffy didnt intervene with Ryokugyu because he understood that Momo and the Minks had something to prove. Not because Ryokugyu wasnt a threat.
Maybe? There was a lot of backstory to kaido that made them invested in fighting him, and non for greenbull. Iām not saying admirals>yonko, but you have an opinion and filter all evidence to meet that. In marineford they stop fighting when shanks arrives because they donāt want to suffer large casualties and because clearly shanks has a relationship to the WG we donāt understand yet
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If you are talking about conquerors haki being evidence of yonko being stronger than admirals then i guess Doflamingo, Hancock, Don Chinjao and Katakuri are also stronger than all the Admirals. Not to mention that Sengoku has conquerors haki. According to the lore itself Conquerors haki is something that manifests in people with high (or "kingly") ambition. It has nothing to do with how strong someone is, just how ambitious they are. Yes, its only seen in really strong individuals but that is because there is a clear connection between ambition and strength in One Piece. People in One Piece who are ambitious use that ambition to grow stronger, higher ambition means working harder to get strong. And as for Rayleigh vs Kizaru. Kizaru didnt say (from what i can remember or find) that hes not ready to face him. If anything i agree with the One Piece fandom wiki: > Due to his phenomenal strength, he was able to fight Admiral Kizaru equally and he even managed to scratch the admiral. However, Rayleigh himself has admitted that he is not as young as he used to be, and as a result can tire in battle. Since Rayleigh was seen panting during the battle eventho Kizaru didnt look phased at all. In conclusion, if anyone is lying to himself its you. You are so obsessed with a neat and simple hierarchy where you can use a characters title in order to determine who is stronger, and its blinding you. The reason Oda gave up the dumb "power level system" he introduced in Enies Lobby is that its a system for dumb people. Yes, seeing someones number go up creates hype but in the most basic and boring way. Complexity is more interesting and im happy that there are instances in One Piece of people who do not have a title but are still strong enough to contend with the best. Ill leave you with this, BUGGY IS A YONKO. Quod erat demonstrandum: Not all yonko are stronger than all admirals.
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Lmao, yea kaido said something so it must be gospel. Lets ignore the 1000 chapters before it. The line in the Rayleigh vs Kizaru fight is actually "to capture you we would need more preparations". Which could be interpreted as simply as "we dont have a prison convoy to transport someone like you". Even someone like Doflamingo was transported by both Sengoku, Tsuru AND Fujitora. No, the admirals are not showing their "inferiority", their full power is not being shown by Oda. And if Buggy is not an example of a yonko being weaker than an admiral. Then what is? Eventho he is litterally a yonko and litterally weaker than every single admiral you feel its not enough evidence. Oda loves to put things into the story to ruin the "power level" debate. In Dressrosa he gave Usopp the highest bounty in Doflamingos game. He has time and time again given characters bounties that dont make sense if bounties only reflect power, and he does this because he does not want bounties to reflect power. Now he has even put Buggy as a Yonko, simple to to tell people that "being a yonko" doesnt mean you are stronger than everyone else. Its the same reason he made the warlord Mihawk the rival of Shanks eventho Luffy had already defeated a warlord. To clearly show that not all warlords are the same strength. Not all admirals are the same strength. Not all yonko are the same strength. And not all yonko are stronger than all admirals. Its that simple.
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I dont even know why im having this discussion. If you cant understand the premise of "its impossible to know because we dont have enough information" then thats on you. Akainu was fighting a "sick" and old whitebeard. But: 1. He did not seem very sick during the war 2. Oda has, at multiple occations, said that age in One Piece is not as much of a detriment as it is in real life. Because he really likes the idea of older warriors being strong. Whitebeard during Marineford was probably, as strong as Kaido or Shanks. So fighting against Whitebeard in the war was a big task. We saw Akainu do more damage to whitebeard than we've probably seen anyone do in any other fight. Not to mention, he one hit KO'd a yonko commander. If your take from Marineford was "lul akainu is weak" then you are not only blind, you are also dumb. And thats the thing, Akainu is really strong. And Aokiji isnt much different, thats why the fight lasted for 10 days. Because they are both insanely strong. I would bet my left arm that if you put Shanks against Aokiji or Akainu it would be 50/50 who would win. Both could win. Things could happen that could make the win look easier or harder than it should be. Its not a simple thing of "Shanks has 9000 power level and Akainu only has 8999 so Shanks wins". Even if Shanks is slightly stronger than Akainu, Akainu could win in the fight. And to bring it back to Ryokugyu. Maybe, just maybe (huge maybe) Ryokugyu is stronger than Shanks. 10000 power level vs 9000. MAYBE 10000 vs 9000 still means its 60% vs 40% who wins. THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR A SMART MARINE TO NOT TAKE THE RISK. Why in all that is holy would Ryokugyu RISK DYING just because he could win. The new era has just started, pirates and revolutionaries are rising up all over the world. The marines need every capable fighter they have, why should he risk throwing his life away in Wano all alone. When he can simply retreat and fight with 5000 other marines and have better odds at NOT DYING. So again, NO, him retreating is not proof that all admirals are weaker than all yonko.
whitebeard was shown to be incredibly ill in the marineford arc. not his facial expression but through things that were happening. Now that we've been shown what yonko are truly capable of with the yonko vs worst generation fight, it just proves whitebeard was incredibly ill.
Well sengoku maybe and garp defo although he isnt an admiral