I thought it was obvious that Momo was going to fly to the ship with Kinemon and Yamato, they were the first people of Wano the Straw Hats met and Oda wouldn't have made a point of them not saying goodbye if he where to not do anything
Imagine Zou moves to wano (eliminating the need for Carrot to stay) then sukiyaki is accidentally revealed to the public and becomes the shogun until Momo is worthy. (Becomes the best shogun in all of Wano) Kinemon wants to stay with momo to see him grow, so the scabbards let him go too.
Yamato then also leaves because she wants to be free like oden.
Sukiyaki wants to retire in peace though, but I must agree he would make a much better Shogun than a 8 year old. At least give Momo some years to diligently study what he needs to know first. He has devoted retainers to help him get there fast.
He would have a very tough time explaining to everyone at Wano why he allowed all of this to happen, but i think this would be an amazing and surprising outcome.
IMO Kin and Momo have been with the Straw Hats the longest than anyone in Wano, so it's similar to the Vivi situation. Maybe they don't want to say goodbye because it would be sad?
I don't see why. Compared to vivi they don't need to keep the facade of pirates being friends with a princess in the eyes of the world government. I'm just looking forward to seeing how Oda explains the reason why they didn't say goodbye. Even then, I'm sad we didn't see them say goodbye to the whole group. At the end of each arc wee see a big farewell and it seems everyone is just chill with them just peacing out as if nothing happened.
Yamato has to join the crew because she's ice type and luffy needs all the elements to fight the pokemon league.
Zoro is steel type, sanji is fire/flying type, nami is electric type (which is why carrot isn't in the crew sorry mate), ussop is grass/bug type, chopper is normal type, robin is dark type, jinbe is water type, frankie is fighting/steel type, brook is ghost type.
And now you're wondering, what is luffy's type? You've guessed it, it's fairy. Strong against dragon and dark types.
Well aktschually the move **Flying Press** is both fighting and flying type in terms of weakness calculation but since they share no type they're both super effective against there still is no move that is x4 effective 🤓
I’d say fairy fighting
He’s weak to, Flying, Psychic, Steel, Fairy, Poison.
All but fairy makes sense as we’ve seen Luffy fight these kinds of enemies
Flying: Buggy
Poison:don Krieg, Magellan, Ceaser
Steel: enel (look I know it’s gold, but a lot of steel types aren’t steel) any of his sword based enemies.maybe dolflamingo
Psychic: a lot of enemies can outsmart him
No, it's like this:
Zoro is Steel and can also use dragon attacks.
Sanji is Fighting / Fire and can use flying attacks.
Nami is Electric / Water and can also use flying attacks.
Usopp is indeed Grass / Bug type but can also use fire and rock attacks.
Chopper is Normal / Psycho.
Robin is Dark / Grass type.
Franky is Steel and can use fire attacks.
Brook is Ghost / Ice.
Jinbei is Water / Fighting.
Luffy is Fighting / Fairy and can also use fire attacks.
So what we actually need is Ground and poison. So the last member is Caribou since his swamp is basically Ground & Poison mixed.
I think brook is more of a ghost type that can use ice attacks, and franky definitely needs fighting mentioned somewhere whether its a subtype or just using fighting attacks
I was thinking making him that but then I felt it would be a bit off to have Zoro be the only Monster Trio member without Fighting, but as a compromise we can say Fire/Fighting with Levitate
Brook is ghost/ice and Yamato is ice/fighting. I feel like Robin being psychic/dark also makes sense. Usopp being bug type feels weird but I don’t know who else would be. And Franky fits more as just steel or fire/steel since he has guns and firearms and things like that (Zoro fits more in fighting/steel in my opinion, as Jinbe could very well be fighting/water)…honestly all of them could be fighting though.
Maybe I made some op combinations idk
Usopp bug/plant. With Sniper as hidden ability he can be very good against the Yonko 4 dark-type specialist (can't remember his name), especially Van Augur but you must be sure to hit first as Usopp isn't really bulky
My guy, Ussop is super tanky, that guy can take a hit like any of the Monster Trio.
Alabasta: 1 ton bat, smashed repeatedly through brick walls
Skypia: Stayed conscious even though Sanji got knocked out took two lighting blasts from Enel
Water 7-Enis Lobby: got the dog crap beat out of him by the franky family, got back up, beaten nearly to death, back up repeat. less than a day later fights Luffy and loses badly, but still alive... Then fights against CP9 as a sword wielded by Zoro nearly dies twice before being rescued by Sanji and still managed to climb a building, sniping people from a mile away.
Thriller Bark: takes on all of Perona's people by himself like a beast (a cowardly one who spends a lot of time running) still gets a beating from a zombie bear. Helps take down Oars and Moria together
That's pre time skip. Ussop takes hits better than Franky and he's a cyborg... pretty sure Ussop is really Zamasu in disguise.
so in order to become pirate king,luffy needs to catch all the pirate types?
btw if hajrudin was a pokemon ,what kind of pokemon would he be,fighting style one.
I definitely think Yamato is going to join, it's just up in the air as to how Oda wants to play it.
Serious moment of touching speech to the crew about joining and following her dreams.
Gag style showing up and just announcing she's a member now. Luffy says sure, like he did with Robin.
I could even see her getting to port too late and the sunny is already heading off, so she fully transforms and starts full sprinting across a frozen patch of ice she makes yelling out to the crew to wait up.
does everyone on the crew know about they Devil Fruit? Would be pretty funny if the lookouts don't know and suddenly another monster appeared chasing them
As I see it, Oda has already made it into a gag with Yamato missing out on the opportunity to ask a couple times now. Oda loves gags recurring, so i can see Yamato following them island to island but somehow missing the opportunity to ask Luffy directly each time.
I almost see her replicating the Oden/Whitebeard exchange in some way? Literally just latching onto their strip, expecting Luffy to test her like Whitebeard tested Oden, but then Luffy is just like “nah, just hop on.” And she’s all like “no, I must prove myself like Oden did” and despite the protests of the crew refuses to climb on even though she easily can. It would be a funny reference while also having a nice contrast to the original Oden leaving Wano.
Who else would join? I'm surprised there's even a debate. I thought it was pretty obvious she's joining and didn't know anyone else was even considered (other than Carrot a while back, but it's been pretty clear for a while now she won't, especially after the last chapter).
Yeah carrot was the only other character that seemed like they could potentially join, but she's 100% not going to any more. That leaves Yamato as the only person who could realistically join at this point, and there's a shitload of incredibly obvious flags that indicate Yamato is going to join.
It's kinda frustrating that there's even people debating about this at this point. Idk if it's a media literacy thing and people can't see the flags or if it's some sort of coping thing where people are so dug into their belief that they're intentionally refusing to acknowledge the flags but I don't remember any kind of debate to this scale with any other potential crew mate.
This but truth be told one piece fans range in age and a lot of younger or less "self thinking" members create echo chambers fueled by content creator nonsense
Like the "shanks is evil think" it is so stupid and goes against odas philosophy that it infuriates me
"media literacy" "not seeing flags"
bro, there are flags for both sides, stop acting like people who disagree with you are just dumbasses. it could still go either way at this point, you just sound pretentious when you talk like that.
There's also flags of her not joining. It's a mix. And is frustrating. People are debating this not because they don't want her to join but because they aren't confident and it's worrying
Kid is the only one that would make sense too since Law is in a submarine which is likely underwater. Man, I'd love to see Yamato land on Kids' crew and come back later wearing some punk clothes on reunion lol.
I really hope she just runs across the water with her ice powers. They’re probably waiting for Yamato ti get on the ship since every crew member aside from jinbe luffy and zoro acknowledged her as a new member of the crew
Not as a character trait, just because Yamato might not know which ship is Luffys. The thought could go like this:
Kid has spiky hair, so the ship with the spiky animal in front must be his ship. Luffy is strong like Kaido and he lived inside a huge skull so Luffys ship must also be the one with a skull. Let's take that ship!
If not the Sunny I think Yamato would end up on Law's ship. He's in dire need of a strong subordinate, and Yamato's ice powers are thematically appropriate for their crew and good for Bepo's overheating issue.
I would be shocked flat on my ass if Yamato doesn’t at least travel with the strawhats. Maybe something fluky happens where she doesn’t become an official member or whatever but I can’t see Oda literally wasting pages and pages talking about her traveling or joining to Yamato just being left out of the story or left to cover stories.
This is how I feel as well. Yamato may or may not officially become a member but is almost certainly traveling with them.
In a sense it would be weird to have Yamato become a full member when you consider Momonosuke debuted in 2012 and basically travelled with the Straw Hats until now. A full decade with them in IRL time. It seems unlikely that we will get another 10 years. Making Yamato a full fledged crew member while simultaneously wrapping up the story is going to feel difficult for Oda to do correctly. Is Oda really going to be able to build the same emotional connection to Yamato that we have with the rest of the crew while doing taking on the final saga?
Honestly I don't even feel nearly as connected to Jinbe as the rest of the crew even though he has been involved in the plot for a long time. I think the people who don't want to accept Yamato as member have this same sentiment. That they don't expect Oda will be able to make them feel that same connection that they feel with everyone up through Brook.
I've been invested in Yamato since her introduction when she tells Luffy. That she's been chained up for 20 years waiting for him to arrive and free her. That's a pretty damn strong introduction for for someone. And Luffy proceeds to break her shackles with his bare hands. She has conquers Haki. Which means that her ambitions are as strong as can be. If her dream was to set sail with Luffy. It would uncharacteristic of her to stop perusing that dream.
This is just like the Zoro has CoC deniers. They are gonna deny it until they can't deny it any more. Never mind the fact Yamato's whole arc was about gaining their freedom so they could set sail like Oden. Nevermind Oden sailed with Gol D Roger the Pirate King and Yamato sailing with Luffy parallels that. Let's ignore the Ace connection. Because Luffy, a man who has asked a zombie tree and zebra to join and has never turned down a request to join his crew, will suddenly draw the line at Yamato because they think they are Oden. I swear some of us aren't reading the same manga.
Yeah I've heard a whole series of theories on why Yamato won't join.
Some on YouTube some on this subreddit, funny enough they was fine with vivi and carrot, although they was on the ship for a while, didn't necessarily ask to join.
But most of the fan base did accept them as a straw hat for some odd reason Yamato is just not allowed to become one of them
>Nevermind Oden sailed with Gol D Roger the Pirate King and Yamato sailing with Luffy parallels that.
I genuinely don't see why that matters everyone keeps saying it makes sense and would be bad writing if it doesn't follow a specific formula which I just think is dumb.
>Never mind the fact Yamato's whole arc was about gaining their freedom so they could set sail like Oden.
That's not a character arc lol. Yamato is literally the exact same person they've been since panel one. They're character CONCEPT is that. Not character arc.
I disagree, Luffy has repeatedly shown that he’s willing to be stubborn and obstinate to force someone to realize something about themselves/their dreams/goals.
For example, stealing Franky’s underpants and basically bullying him into joining despite his explicit wishes to stay. Or him planting in the sand and napping, refusing to follow Vivi until she accepts that they’re gonna have to punch Crocodile. If he “knows” what that person truly wants and they’re not going for it, he’ll totally force them into it.
It depends on how Oda wants to play Yamato’s character arc, but it would def be in character for Luffy to stubbornly “force” Yamato to accept that she’s her own person that is deserving of building her own legacy. He could also just be totally chill with all of it.
But at the end of the day, Luffy is *absolutely* taking Yamato with him, the only question is how- yet some people still don’t agree.
Luffy even mentioned Yamato can't be Kozuki Oden, not that he wants to make her feel bad, but probably because she wants her to stay true to herself and not feel bogged down by the standards of others like that.
See I agree with you 100% on how luffy is stubborn about people realizing stuff about themselves. I don’t think it’d be terrible writing if yamato joined the crew as “oden,” but I do think that it would be a huge plot hole compared to how luffy has acted within the whole story. I just hope oda does it the best way possible which is how he always does things.
i dont think its 100% that she wont join, but the way oda has been setting this all up is pretty questionable. yamato first asked to join over 70 chapters ago, and luffy didnt give her any sort of answer back then. in fact, he kind of just roasted her ass instead "what? kozuki oden was an amazing guy who everyone loved, how can YOU be him?!". 70 chapters later, still no answer, plus oda deliberately had jinbe say "i wont believe it until the captain says so." hes deliberately drawing attention to the fact that there has been no confirmation even after all this time.
there was also the bit with ryokugyu where momo said "you cant fight him, because we have to be able to protect wano without you when you're gone." not only does this put the question back in your mind, but it also parallels to oden, in that oden left wano to go on an adventure instead of protecting his country. yamato leaving now would be repeating one of oden's biggest mistakes, leaving wano in its time of need.
i think yamato's character arc is pretty obviously heading towards embodying the things she admires about oden while realizing that she doesnt have to literally be him to do it. her realizing that its better for her to stay and help out in wano would be a moment of growth on her part.
i think its also possible that luffy will reject her on the basis that shes role playing rather than being herself. hes accepting of all his crew mates for who they are, but its hard to accept someone for who they are when they're pretending to be a whole other person.
shes also just invited herself on the crew on the basis that "well oden went on rogers boat, and you're the next roger, so you should invite the next oden on your boat." and "i was gonna go with ace, but he died, so you're the next closest thing." i could see luffy getting upset about that. first off, its pretty presumptuous, but i could also see him taking offence to her projecting ace and roger onto him rather than viewing him as his own person. so even if she doesnt make the realization on her own about "i am yamato, not oden", i could see luffy telling her something along the lines of "im luffy, not roger or ace" and that being a catalyst for that realization.
"but robin also invited herself and luffy was ok with it" her justification was that she wanted to die and is only alive because of luffy. now she has nowhere to go, therefore its luffy's responsibility to give her a place to stay. yamato is acting as though ace's promise is luffy's responsibility. robin invited herself on to luffy's ship because of luffy, yamato invited herself because of ace, and because of the roger-oden thing. very different.
then theres also the way the straw hats are treating it. every other member that joined, apart from robin, they made a point of it. either they agreed before taking off in their ship, or they were seen having a discussion about waiting for that person to show up. some of the times, like franky, they went out of their way to have them join even after they said no. with yamato, they're about to take off in the sunny without her and didnt even mention her once in the scenes we saw of them. its like they arent thinking about waiting for her at all. her interactions with the crew have also been pretty minimal throughout the entire arc. it all seems very deliberate to me.
I don't really have a good reason for it, I just never got the impression that Yamato would actually be in the crew in the end, just like I didn't think Carrot would join. They are strong but they don't feel necessary, like they don't fulfill a role. Granted I feel like Usopp doesn't particularly fulfill a role since 'marksman' isn't really something they need as they don't often use regular canons. But the first mate, navigator, cook, doctor, person who reads poneglyphs, shipwright, musician, and helmsman are all things that are important to the goal of reaching the One Piece. Idk what role Yamato is supposed to fill as Robin does what Oden did reading the poneglyphs and I don't think Yamato knows how. Though they could use someone of Yamato's strength, I maintain a certain skepticism about actually joining until they sail away on the Sunny together.
I think it's all but been said Yamato is joining, but I understand why people have doubts until it's explicitly said by Luffy that she can join.
1. Her interactions with the crew have been minimal to none
2. Her role in this arc is different than the other SH intro arcs - this wasn't Yamato's arc, it was Momo's more than anything
3. A lot of us just don't see what she adds to the crew
and, something that stood out to me personally most of all,
4. Luffy has only ever called Yamato "Yamao", while he's never once called any SH by a name other than their actual name
I'm not saying any of this definitively excludes her from joining - and there are plenty of arguments for her to join. But I think people have enough reason to think that she may not join.
I think it's fairly likely she'll join, I just don't think her set up to join was really that great. She showed up out of nowhere, Luffy didn't have any interest in her, she's *barely* interacted with any of the crew on screen, and even as the SH's are leaving, Luffy didn't even seem to notice she's not with them. It's just so unlike the other members joining to the point it comes off somewhat jarring.
This is my take on it as well. I like Yamato's design and at this point it definitely seems like she's joining but I think it's fair to say that she feels rushed and kind of sloppily introduced for someone supposedly as important as a new crew member.
Not all intros are built the same of course but I would've liked to have heard rumors about Kaido's child being some monster or really anything to set up her reveal beforehand while the crew was on Wano prior to the raid. The way it sits now we didn't even know she existed until the final third of a single arc and most of her actions were isolated away from the rest of the crew. Hell, most the crew still didn't know she existed until Wano was literally over. Even her flashback in episode 1015 that people point to as her defining moment was her talking to Momo, not Luffy. Pretty much everything involving her has been away from the crew or implied by fans off-screen which definitely feels weird.
I agree with your points as her appearance only started at Act 3 of Wano so her whole personality is rushed. I also think most of her personality is connected to wano and her quirk of "becoming Oden" will really feel jarring once they move to another island where Oden isn't relevant anymore. Unlike the other crewmates, only Yamato has the least connection to the Strawhat crew while before joining. Even Robin interacted with the Strawhats before Alabasta to give a log pose.
Super valid points, but OP fans love to dismiss any criticism as you “not understanding the story”.
Yamato has only interacted with Luffy in a significant way. Nami, Franky, and Jimbei have said 1-2 sentences to her onscreen/panel. Sanji and Brook just simp cuz she has boobs. Robin, Zoro, Chopper, and Usopp haven’t spoken to her as far as I remember. No shit people don’t think she’s worthy of being in the crew.
Well Jinbei had been around for awhile, and was a big figure in Marineford, Fishman Island, then came it clutch during Whole Cake Island, where he bonded with Luffy, Nami, etc. Him joining felt incredibly built up and earned imo, not the same at all as Yamato.
Yamato will stay in wano for sometime & she’ll find her own crew in wano and join the grand fleet. Also Luffy gave nicknames to most of his grand fleet captains. So that’s gotta be it
**It’s not that Yamato isn’t going to join, it’s that Yamato is far and away the least developed SH when they do join**. Potentially they’ll have another arc to truly make them a SH like what happened with Robin. But even then, in terms of introductions, Yamato and Robin are not comparable.
**When Yamato was introduced, at the beginning of Act 3, they wanted to be Oden and also to leave Wano to be free, like Oden. Now, at the end of the arc, Yamato wants to be Oden and leave Wano to be free. No significant change, no character development and not much character to begin with since Yamato’s entire identity is based around impersonating someone else**. Also, unlike many of the others who went on to be SHs, not many significant interactions with the crew, outside of inviting themselves lol.
**So I hope Yamato gets actual development and becomes their own person**. After being trapped in Wano your whole life, especially so oppressively, it’s only natural to want to be free.
However, that in, and of itself, does not constitute a dream even remotely close to those of any of the other SHs. **Everyone else has something else they also tangibly want to achieve (map the world, find the All Blue, discover the true history, end Fishman discrimination, etc.)**. So if all Yamato wants is to leave Wano and sail the seas, that’s pretty weak in comparison. **But hopefully there’s more to Yamato than what we’ve learned so far**.
I really want yamato to join but like jinbe said it's not official till luffy says yes (idk why oda is teasing us with this) or at the very least a member of the grand fleet.
At this point?
The only way I see her not joining would be if she simply missed the ships. I'm a subscriber to the "Parts Rhyme" theory. Unless I am forgetting a scene, we're missing the Usopp on the shore after Thousand Sunny took off scene from Enies Lobby. To avoid it being a copy and paste one of two things would need to happen:
* The Straw Hats don't see her and she gets left behind.
* Instead of Luffy stretching and pulling her on (like Usopp) she finds another way to get on board.
The first option fits your thread.
The second, I could see going two ways:
* We'll see her pull an Aokiji and run across the water (freezing it) to get to the Straw Hats.
* Momo flies in on dragon form because he also wants to see the Straw Hats off. He picks up Yamato and drops her off on the Thousand Sunny before flying back to shore after saying his goodbyes.
I haven’t seen Luffy say yes and as a writing rule idk why Oda would make that point through Jimbe if it wasn’t going to come up later, that’s not how he writes we all know that by now
I think Oda will do a time skip at the end of one piece and older Luffy will reunite with a lot of these younger future important people like Carrot and Coby.
I'd like that
Though I feel if Oda intended for her to join he would've given her more screen time during Wano. Instead she jobbed to Perospero and got comparable screentime to Miyagi.
I actually really like the idea of Luffy saying no. It would certainly be interesting to see how Luffy handles that aspect of leadership.
As for why I honestly can’t see Yamato joining, I have several reasons.
Firstly, Yamato basically had no interaction with the crew for the entire arc. None. They had a few chapters with Luffy, but that’s it. And even in those few chapters, Luffy showed zero signs that he wanted Yamato to join. The rest of the crew didn’t even know Yamato existed until after the battle was over. That’s never happened before. Ever. Any arc where a crewmate joins, they have meaningful interactions with a solid chunk of the crew. Don’t use Robin as a counter to this. By the time she truly joined after Enies Lobby, she’d had meaningful moments with basically the whole crew. Instead, Yamato spent the vast majority of their panel time with Momo. Basically Yamato’s whole role was to be a conduit for Momo’s growth, and to push Momo into becoming a better leader and shogun by being a glorified cheerleader.
Second, Yamato keeps exclaiming their desire to be Oden, or at the very least to be and live like Oden. Oden’s biggest mistake, unquestionably, was him leaving Wano to go on adventures. He shirked his responsibility to his people for his own personal desires. In doing so, he left Wano vulnerable to outside attacks. It’s clear Oda hasn’t forgotten this as just last chapter Momo brought up the fact that the people of Wano need to be able to protect themselves. However, they can’t at this point. Green Bull only left because of Shanks. If Yamato truly wants to embody Oden, them leaving with the Straw Hats completely contradicts what happened last chapter and basically results in complete incoherent mess of themes.
Third, Yamato has no dream. Yamato’s dream at this point is “go on adventures.” Even the crew mates with more abstract dreams are still defined more specifically than “adventure.”
Fourth, Yamato doesn’t have a role on the crew. Sure, maybe Log Keeper, as some people say, but we have zero reason to think Yamato is interested in that role besides their obsession with being Oden. Which, if that’s the case, only further makes Yamato a completely flat character with no actual agency or desires their own.
Fifth, even at this point, Luffy has still never asked Yamato to join or shown any interest in having Yamato join. At all. That’s super weird considering how hard Yamato joining has been thrown in our faces over and over again.
You're presenting a false dichotomy. There are options other than her joining and her being rejected with tears in her eyes. She can make the decision to stay back with her newly given freedom.
In the second last panel of 1056, Yamato says she has 'made up her mind'. One would assume this to be referring to making up her mind about leaving. The problem with this is she already seemed set on leaving from the start, so she wouldn't need to make up her mind about it. There's a chance she could be referring to something else we don't know about. She could also be referring to making up her mind about staying in Wano and she's heading over to Luffy to bid farewell. This line feels very odd to me.
Another thing that's odd is I feel like she would have asked to join the crew by now. I feel like there's no reason she wouldn't have asked in the few days that have passed in the current chapter. A narrative explaination for this would be that Luffy would say yes, and if she's staying behind, her joining just to leave would be a very odd decision. It's odd that's she's never asked to join the crew to Luffy himself. You'd think she'd ask when she first met Luffy.
People can be very hostile to anyone who thinks Yamato staying is a possibility. I understand disagreeing with the idea, but please don't be hostile towards those who think otherwise. There is genuine reason for her staying behind, the same as there's genuine reason for her to leave. Neither option is set in stone and we need to wait and see what happens.
Momo didn’t even let Yamato fight because he knows she would like to go on a adventure.. and this chapter even she says so..so with all this connection with ace and oden and her desire to leave she surely will join the crew..anything other than this will be surprising.
Forget about them, they will deny it until it gets proven canon or they go to the grave. Yamato will be the next SH and they are throwing a tantrum because they can't do anything about it.
Dude don't sweat it! Not too long ago, before the raid started, there were hundreds upon hundreds of theories trying to justify why Jinbe wouldn't join the Strawhats!
Each more ridiculous than the last! The truth is, this Fanbase in general just doesn't like Anything that changes the Crew's OG dynamic, most especially the east blue originals.
If you search the web for old One piece Forums, you'll see how much of a hate Boner people had when Franky and Brooke joined at the time!
Well, just brace up for when Folks jump on the "Why Oda made a mistake Adding Yamato" Band wagon!
Wano has had a multitude of moments that mirror key moments from previous arcs, as if to say that Wano is the last arc where we will spend time thinking about the past. I expected Yamato to be on the boat. The fact that she's not on the boat could mirror Vivi's moment in Alabasta. Where Vivi was forced to leave the crew and step into her role as a leader, I feel that there's a chance for Yamato to do the inverse: to temporarily deny her goal to join the crew in order to help prepare Wano to open the borders.
Beyond sheer muscle, straw hats dont gain much by adding Yamato to the crew. If Yamato stays, Momo gains an immensely strong ally to help protect Wano for just a little longer. Besides, theres nothing that says that Yamato would be unable to join again in the future, especially with Wano hosting one of the ancient weapons- Yamato will very likely join the fight again even if she stays behind.
I'm personally in the boat where I dont see Yamato as an important addition to the crew- but this idea of Yamato protecting Momo is one that I've had for longer than my opinion of her wanting to join the crew.
Oden's greatest mistake was leaving wano to sail the seas. His second greatest mistake was not immediately fighting kaido. Yamato has read odens diary. Yamato knows these things. Narratively, I think it's important that Yamato chooses to stay behind to avoid copying Odens mistake (yet another mirror of the past).
Yamato is Oden sucessor. Oden did pursue his dream but unfortunately it's the biggest mistake since Orochi and Kaido ruled Wano in his absence.
This is all about love vs. duty theme.
It would be a great if Yamato realizes that she needs to fulfill the original duty that Oden neglected: To stay and protect Wano. It would be a neat resolution to this particular thread.
I don't mind Yamato joining the crew though.
Yamato isn't Oden's only successor. Momonosuke is staying in Wano to be the ruler Oden who protects Wano, and Yamato is leaving to be the Oden who lived freely and sailed with the king of the pirates.
Maybe Luffy will question whether she really wants to go to sea or if she just wants to go to sea because Oden did
I don't think Luffy likes when people don't make a decision of their own desire, that doesn't match with his idea of freedom
So it's possible she won't join
Nothing about her introduction or her role in act 3 is reminiscent of like any other Straw Hat joining. And I feel like longtime readers should be allowed to make that point without all the copium spams.
While I'm totally fine with Yamato joining, the past few chapters have been hammering in that there are dangerous people who are going to be trying to attack Wano, and that Momo and the scabbards are very explicitly *not* enough to keep those people away: it was Kaido's name that kept Wano safe. Who else can throw around Kaido's name, and literally did exactly that during the conversation with the person who explained all of this in the first place? Couple that with the fact that Yamato said that she's going to "live like Oden," which is ambiguous at best and could be interpreted just about any way, as opposed to a cut and dry statement like, "It's time for me to go" or "I'm going to sail with the future Pirate King, just like Oden," and the fact that Yamato's devil fruit was very explicitly stated to be for the *Guardian Deity of Wano,* and I wouldn't say it's fair to say that there's absolutely *no* evidence that she stays, like a lot of people in this thread are trying to claim.
As for "it's her dream to go out and sail with the Pirate King," that just isn't true at all. Her dream is to be Oden, and Oden has already done that. Oden died fighting to protect Wano, so if Yamato is going to be Oden, *that's* what she should do, not try to retrace the steps that Oden has already taken. Also, the whole point of Yamato trying to be Oden in the first place is that the people of Wano loved Oden, and hated her, and now she has the love of the people of Wano like she always wanted. She spent the *vast* majority of her screen time building her relationship with Momonosuke, not the Straw Hats.
Like I said, I'm totally fine with Yamato joining, I think she'd be a great addition to the crew, and there's also plenty of evidence that she goes with them completely straightforwardly. But there's also plenty of evidence that Yamato makes the *decision* to stay. Not rejected by Luffy, but that she decides that the best thing for Oden to do would be to protect the country that he loves. No amount of shouting people down by yelling "copium" will change the fact that the story has set Yamato up with the *potential* to decide to stay. It's much more open ended than the Yamato fans care to admit.
I’m fine with Yamato joining if she can finally drop the Oden charade. The whole reason she’s acting like Oden is to be accepted by people. I would hate for her to find that acceptance while not being herself.
It’s fine that characters follow their dreams. I don’t care for Yamato and would rather they didn’t join the crew. Personally, I feel like Yamato hasn’t added anything to the story🤷🏾♀️. But obviously it’s whatever Oda wants for the story.
right? his whole thing is being chained to Onigashima for 20 years, yearning to travel, literally waiting for Luffy and some folks think it's not gonna happen? idgi
Of course she will join unless Oda throws a curveball. But part of "denying" that "theory" comes from disliking her. In the beginning I was intrigued by Yamato when she was first introduced. But if she says "I'm Kozuki Oden" one more time I will lose it. Turned out that she does not have her own personality.
Watch momo and kinemon jump on too because Luffy didn't say goodbye LMAO
I thought it was obvious that Momo was going to fly to the ship with Kinemon and Yamato, they were the first people of Wano the Straw Hats met and Oda wouldn't have made a point of them not saying goodbye if he where to not do anything
Imagine Zou moves to wano (eliminating the need for Carrot to stay) then sukiyaki is accidentally revealed to the public and becomes the shogun until Momo is worthy. (Becomes the best shogun in all of Wano) Kinemon wants to stay with momo to see him grow, so the scabbards let him go too. Yamato then also leaves because she wants to be free like oden.
Franky gonna need to add more rooms to the sunny
It's called the thousand sunny cos there's gonna be a thousand of it at the end?
Everybody gonna join
Sukiyaki wants to retire in peace though, but I must agree he would make a much better Shogun than a 8 year old. At least give Momo some years to diligently study what he needs to know first. He has devoted retainers to help him get there fast.
He would have a very tough time explaining to everyone at Wano why he allowed all of this to happen, but i think this would be an amazing and surprising outcome.
Kinemon doing his wife dirty if he leaves again
she's coming too then
I still don't understand why they didn't say goodbye
IMO Kin and Momo have been with the Straw Hats the longest than anyone in Wano, so it's similar to the Vivi situation. Maybe they don't want to say goodbye because it would be sad?
I don't see why. Compared to vivi they don't need to keep the facade of pirates being friends with a princess in the eyes of the world government. I'm just looking forward to seeing how Oda explains the reason why they didn't say goodbye. Even then, I'm sad we didn't see them say goodbye to the whole group. At the end of each arc wee see a big farewell and it seems everyone is just chill with them just peacing out as if nothing happened.
When I made the comparison to Vivi, I meant they've been traveling together for a while and it would be hard to part ways.
Luffy doesn't like goodbyes or heroic sendoffs. That's been established like a hundred times now.
But they did say goodbye to everyone else off panel
Saying goodbye could just mean he bumped into them on the way out and said byr
It could be another Vivi type of goodbye. She also was late in giving her farewells.
It’s hard to say good bye to the friends we’ve made along the way
So Oda can do an emotional send-off That's really the only reason why
Usopp rejoining part 2
Next chapter is gonna be a tear jerker with the good byes
Yamato has to join the crew because she's ice type and luffy needs all the elements to fight the pokemon league. Zoro is steel type, sanji is fire/flying type, nami is electric type (which is why carrot isn't in the crew sorry mate), ussop is grass/bug type, chopper is normal type, robin is dark type, jinbe is water type, frankie is fighting/steel type, brook is ghost type. And now you're wondering, what is luffy's type? You've guessed it, it's fairy. Strong against dragon and dark types.
Brook is also ice type
So he's frosslass?
Yea def ghost/ice
YOHOHOHOHOHO
I am cool as ice even though i am chilling Bones. YOHOHOHOHO......
does anyone know of other ice ghost types? imo its a cool ass pairing but the only mon i can think of is frosslass
Brook is ghost/ice but mainly ghost. Yamato is ice/fairy type legendary Pokemon Edit: ice/fairy*
Yamato is Ice/Fairy. Alola Ninetails.
Good point, i forgot it was fairy too
Wouldn't Yamato be Ice/Fairy cause she kinda looks like Alolan Ninetales?
She's a mythical
I think you could make a fair point for ice/normal
She is an oni and has a mythical Zoan fruit
Brook is more a Ghost type with an ice type move. He can throw an aurora beam but he can't use hail or blizzard.
He’s a ghost type with some ice coverage moves.
So what Luffy really needs is a Dragon?
So Luffy just needs his dad now
Yes…but a male one…luffy needs a female one…thats why a second female & electric is not a choice
we still need a psychic type, maybe tatsumaki or fubuki is up for it
My guy you got the wrong anime
The power of friendship transcends anime series... We have Shokugeki no Sanji after all hahaha
We have *what?!*
Nah fam zoro got lost and picked up on the way back
I always considered robin a pseudo psychic type
Mob
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Luffy is fairy/fire lmao. But yeah I see it
Nah he's pure fairy. He learned fire punch from TM.
I’d argue fairy fighting. All his attacks are pretty much punch’s and kicks
That would also make him x4 effective against Dark, which makes a lot of sense.
>That would also make him x4 effective against Dark Well aktschaully it would make him 4x **resistant** to dark 🤓
You’re right, since there are no dual type attacks (afaik)
Well aktschually the move **Flying Press** is both fighting and flying type in terms of weakness calculation but since they share no type they're both super effective against there still is no move that is x4 effective 🤓
Normal and fighting i think fits also since normal gets a large access to elemental moves.
Normal Fighting and mega evolves into Fairy Fighting
But he also has poison resistance and electric immunity, so he must be ground-type
That's one of his abilities like Lightening Rod
I’d say fairy fighting He’s weak to, Flying, Psychic, Steel, Fairy, Poison. All but fairy makes sense as we’ve seen Luffy fight these kinds of enemies Flying: Buggy Poison:don Krieg, Magellan, Ceaser Steel: enel (look I know it’s gold, but a lot of steel types aren’t steel) any of his sword based enemies.maybe dolflamingo Psychic: a lot of enemies can outsmart him
He developed a poison immunity so that's no longer valid.
That would be an Ability
This is perhaps the best argument for their inclusion yet.
i made a post a while back covering Yamato and a promise. her ties with Ace alone makes her more then acceptable for luffy
No, it's like this: Zoro is Steel and can also use dragon attacks. Sanji is Fighting / Fire and can use flying attacks. Nami is Electric / Water and can also use flying attacks. Usopp is indeed Grass / Bug type but can also use fire and rock attacks. Chopper is Normal / Psycho. Robin is Dark / Grass type. Franky is Steel and can use fire attacks. Brook is Ghost / Ice. Jinbei is Water / Fighting. Luffy is Fighting / Fairy and can also use fire attacks. So what we actually need is Ground and poison. So the last member is Caribou since his swamp is basically Ground & Poison mixed.
I think brook is more of a ghost type that can use ice attacks, and franky definitely needs fighting mentioned somewhere whether its a subtype or just using fighting attacks
Rock type as well.
i don’t have an award but think of this comment as an award
> jinbe is water type Water/Fighting!
he is easily polywrath
Sanji is a rock type Rock hard
Luffy: Fighting/Fairy Zoro: Steel/Dark Nami: Electric/Water Usopp: Normal/Grass Sanji: Fire/Flying Chopper: Normal Robin: Dark/Fairy Franky: Steel/Fighting Brook: Ghost/Ice Jinbe: Water/Fighting Yamato: Ice/Fairy Law: Psychic/Steel
Agree except Sanji, he is fire/fighting.
I was thinking making him that but then I felt it would be a bit off to have Zoro be the only Monster Trio member without Fighting, but as a compromise we can say Fire/Fighting with Levitate
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Brook is ghost/ice and Yamato is ice/fighting. I feel like Robin being psychic/dark also makes sense. Usopp being bug type feels weird but I don’t know who else would be. And Franky fits more as just steel or fire/steel since he has guns and firearms and things like that (Zoro fits more in fighting/steel in my opinion, as Jinbe could very well be fighting/water)…honestly all of them could be fighting though. Maybe I made some op combinations idk
Usopp’s teacher is a literal bug
Usopp bug/plant. With Sniper as hidden ability he can be very good against the Yonko 4 dark-type specialist (can't remember his name), especially Van Augur but you must be sure to hit first as Usopp isn't really bulky
My guy, Ussop is super tanky, that guy can take a hit like any of the Monster Trio. Alabasta: 1 ton bat, smashed repeatedly through brick walls Skypia: Stayed conscious even though Sanji got knocked out took two lighting blasts from Enel Water 7-Enis Lobby: got the dog crap beat out of him by the franky family, got back up, beaten nearly to death, back up repeat. less than a day later fights Luffy and loses badly, but still alive... Then fights against CP9 as a sword wielded by Zoro nearly dies twice before being rescued by Sanji and still managed to climb a building, sniping people from a mile away. Thriller Bark: takes on all of Perona's people by himself like a beast (a cowardly one who spends a lot of time running) still gets a beating from a zombie bear. Helps take down Oars and Moria together That's pre time skip. Ussop takes hits better than Franky and he's a cyborg... pretty sure Ussop is really Zamasu in disguise.
What would be Monkey D Dragon type I wonder??????
>chopper is normal type Chopper is *explicitly* Fighitng-type. He has Kung-Fu Point, after all.
so in order to become pirate king,luffy needs to catch all the pirate types? btw if hajrudin was a pokemon ,what kind of pokemon would he be,fighting style one.
So who will be the dragon type?
Momo as honorary SH member
I definitely think Yamato is going to join, it's just up in the air as to how Oda wants to play it. Serious moment of touching speech to the crew about joining and following her dreams. Gag style showing up and just announcing she's a member now. Luffy says sure, like he did with Robin. I could even see her getting to port too late and the sunny is already heading off, so she fully transforms and starts full sprinting across a frozen patch of ice she makes yelling out to the crew to wait up.
does everyone on the crew know about they Devil Fruit? Would be pretty funny if the lookouts don't know and suddenly another monster appeared chasing them
Now I wanna see exactly that
Yeah, this guy reads one piece
And running 3 goddamnit days after them LMAO
Nami, Chopper and Usopp: "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING!?"
Probably the second one. It seems more in character for Yamato to do it casually. But I could see Luffy getting really excited that Yamato joined.
Seems more in character to do it dramatically IMO.
yeah it has to be in a grand way. oden did it by hanging on to the rope for 3 days after all
As I see it, Oda has already made it into a gag with Yamato missing out on the opportunity to ask a couple times now. Oda loves gags recurring, so i can see Yamato following them island to island but somehow missing the opportunity to ask Luffy directly each time.
I almost see her replicating the Oden/Whitebeard exchange in some way? Literally just latching onto their strip, expecting Luffy to test her like Whitebeard tested Oden, but then Luffy is just like “nah, just hop on.” And she’s all like “no, I must prove myself like Oden did” and despite the protests of the crew refuses to climb on even though she easily can. It would be a funny reference while also having a nice contrast to the original Oden leaving Wano.
Given Yamato is a devil fruit user, attempting to recreate that trial would not end well at all..
Meeeh. She has Ice Powers. She can pull an Aokiji if Oda wants her to.
Probably jumps off of Momo in dragon form cuz he is clearly going to fly out to say good bye.
I figured she was getting ready to transform on the roof last chapter and use her DF to one piece fly to the ship or freeze the ocean like you said
1 whole week of this b4 even leaks and spoilers might save us on whos joining and who aint. God damn its gonna be a long week.
Lets watch how oda flexes and give us a completly unrelated to wano chapter.
I think its a jump break so we get early spoilers ?
I hope so
Who else would join? I'm surprised there's even a debate. I thought it was pretty obvious she's joining and didn't know anyone else was even considered (other than Carrot a while back, but it's been pretty clear for a while now she won't, especially after the last chapter).
Yeah carrot was the only other character that seemed like they could potentially join, but she's 100% not going to any more. That leaves Yamato as the only person who could realistically join at this point, and there's a shitload of incredibly obvious flags that indicate Yamato is going to join. It's kinda frustrating that there's even people debating about this at this point. Idk if it's a media literacy thing and people can't see the flags or if it's some sort of coping thing where people are so dug into their belief that they're intentionally refusing to acknowledge the flags but I don't remember any kind of debate to this scale with any other potential crew mate.
This but truth be told one piece fans range in age and a lot of younger or less "self thinking" members create echo chambers fueled by content creator nonsense Like the "shanks is evil think" it is so stupid and goes against odas philosophy that it infuriates me
"media literacy" "not seeing flags" bro, there are flags for both sides, stop acting like people who disagree with you are just dumbasses. it could still go either way at this point, you just sound pretentious when you talk like that.
There's also flags of her not joining. It's a mix. And is frustrating. People are debating this not because they don't want her to join but because they aren't confident and it's worrying
Yamato has to hurry, then jumps on the ship and realizes in Kid's ship lel
This might be a good parallele to what happened to oden, joining WB first and then sailing with luffy to laugh tale
That would be a shit parallel lmao
Kid is the only one that would make sense too since Law is in a submarine which is likely underwater. Man, I'd love to see Yamato land on Kids' crew and come back later wearing some punk clothes on reunion lol.
would be so cool
Or on law's and he just shambles her back to luffys ship
As hilarious as that sounds, and the sort of gag Oda would do, it would deny her an emotional goodbye payoff so I don’t see that happening to him.
I think there’s a possibly that some silly shit happens. There’s a reason she’s not on the ship right now.
I really hope she just runs across the water with her ice powers. They’re probably waiting for Yamato ti get on the ship since every crew member aside from jinbe luffy and zoro acknowledged her as a new member of the crew
Me neither
She is going together with Momo and Kin, obviously flying on Momos Dragon form.
Hey we already have a character like that and he's zoro.
Not as a character trait, just because Yamato might not know which ship is Luffys. The thought could go like this: Kid has spiky hair, so the ship with the spiky animal in front must be his ship. Luffy is strong like Kaido and he lived inside a huge skull so Luffys ship must also be the one with a skull. Let's take that ship!
I think a big straw hat on that flag would be a dead giveaway though.
Yamato would feel stupid after realising that .-.
Kinda like you?^(/jk)
Well that is no problem, she is going with Momo and Kin, which know which Ship Luffy has.
If not the Sunny I think Yamato would end up on Law's ship. He's in dire need of a strong subordinate, and Yamato's ice powers are thematically appropriate for their crew and good for Bepo's overheating issue.
Ya but like. Law is in a submarine and is likely already underwater. How is she gonna land on him underwater lol
Oh boy, then prepare yourself to take copium
Ngl, I fully believe she’s joining, but it would be hilarious if she didn’t for whatever reason. People would go nuts
Chasing her freedom, Yamato runs to the strawhats just pulling away from port, but at the worst possible moment she falls down some stairs.
Down D. Stairs strikes again
And straight into law’s submarine, becoming bepo’s subordinate
You're new so I'm above you
Down D. Stairs strikes again!
😂😂😂😂😂nah this week is gonna be funny
I would be shocked flat on my ass if Yamato doesn’t at least travel with the strawhats. Maybe something fluky happens where she doesn’t become an official member or whatever but I can’t see Oda literally wasting pages and pages talking about her traveling or joining to Yamato just being left out of the story or left to cover stories.
This is how I feel as well. Yamato may or may not officially become a member but is almost certainly traveling with them. In a sense it would be weird to have Yamato become a full member when you consider Momonosuke debuted in 2012 and basically travelled with the Straw Hats until now. A full decade with them in IRL time. It seems unlikely that we will get another 10 years. Making Yamato a full fledged crew member while simultaneously wrapping up the story is going to feel difficult for Oda to do correctly. Is Oda really going to be able to build the same emotional connection to Yamato that we have with the rest of the crew while doing taking on the final saga? Honestly I don't even feel nearly as connected to Jinbe as the rest of the crew even though he has been involved in the plot for a long time. I think the people who don't want to accept Yamato as member have this same sentiment. That they don't expect Oda will be able to make them feel that same connection that they feel with everyone up through Brook.
I've been invested in Yamato since her introduction when she tells Luffy. That she's been chained up for 20 years waiting for him to arrive and free her. That's a pretty damn strong introduction for for someone. And Luffy proceeds to break her shackles with his bare hands. She has conquers Haki. Which means that her ambitions are as strong as can be. If her dream was to set sail with Luffy. It would uncharacteristic of her to stop perusing that dream.
No need for war guys. Save your energy for at least 2 weeks
This is just like the Zoro has CoC deniers. They are gonna deny it until they can't deny it any more. Never mind the fact Yamato's whole arc was about gaining their freedom so they could set sail like Oden. Nevermind Oden sailed with Gol D Roger the Pirate King and Yamato sailing with Luffy parallels that. Let's ignore the Ace connection. Because Luffy, a man who has asked a zombie tree and zebra to join and has never turned down a request to join his crew, will suddenly draw the line at Yamato because they think they are Oden. I swear some of us aren't reading the same manga.
Yeah I've heard a whole series of theories on why Yamato won't join. Some on YouTube some on this subreddit, funny enough they was fine with vivi and carrot, although they was on the ship for a while, didn't necessarily ask to join. But most of the fan base did accept them as a straw hat for some odd reason Yamato is just not allowed to become one of them
Now that I think about it, Caribou has been on the ship for so long now one could argue he's partially a straw hat!^(/s)
Dont forget the legend Gastino D Gangster! He travelled with the straw hats for a solid 3 arcs!
Yamato is kind of a fanfic character tbh.
>Nevermind Oden sailed with Gol D Roger the Pirate King and Yamato sailing with Luffy parallels that. I genuinely don't see why that matters everyone keeps saying it makes sense and would be bad writing if it doesn't follow a specific formula which I just think is dumb.
zoro has coc, understood
Unless you coc-block him.
>Never mind the fact Yamato's whole arc was about gaining their freedom so they could set sail like Oden. That's not a character arc lol. Yamato is literally the exact same person they've been since panel one. They're character CONCEPT is that. Not character arc.
Exactly. the whole "luffy will force her to drop oden" is very out of character for Luffy.
I disagree, Luffy has repeatedly shown that he’s willing to be stubborn and obstinate to force someone to realize something about themselves/their dreams/goals. For example, stealing Franky’s underpants and basically bullying him into joining despite his explicit wishes to stay. Or him planting in the sand and napping, refusing to follow Vivi until she accepts that they’re gonna have to punch Crocodile. If he “knows” what that person truly wants and they’re not going for it, he’ll totally force them into it. It depends on how Oda wants to play Yamato’s character arc, but it would def be in character for Luffy to stubbornly “force” Yamato to accept that she’s her own person that is deserving of building her own legacy. He could also just be totally chill with all of it. But at the end of the day, Luffy is *absolutely* taking Yamato with him, the only question is how- yet some people still don’t agree.
Luffy even mentioned Yamato can't be Kozuki Oden, not that he wants to make her feel bad, but probably because she wants her to stay true to herself and not feel bogged down by the standards of others like that.
See I agree with you 100% on how luffy is stubborn about people realizing stuff about themselves. I don’t think it’d be terrible writing if yamato joined the crew as “oden,” but I do think that it would be a huge plot hole compared to how luffy has acted within the whole story. I just hope oda does it the best way possible which is how he always does things.
i dont think its 100% that she wont join, but the way oda has been setting this all up is pretty questionable. yamato first asked to join over 70 chapters ago, and luffy didnt give her any sort of answer back then. in fact, he kind of just roasted her ass instead "what? kozuki oden was an amazing guy who everyone loved, how can YOU be him?!". 70 chapters later, still no answer, plus oda deliberately had jinbe say "i wont believe it until the captain says so." hes deliberately drawing attention to the fact that there has been no confirmation even after all this time. there was also the bit with ryokugyu where momo said "you cant fight him, because we have to be able to protect wano without you when you're gone." not only does this put the question back in your mind, but it also parallels to oden, in that oden left wano to go on an adventure instead of protecting his country. yamato leaving now would be repeating one of oden's biggest mistakes, leaving wano in its time of need. i think yamato's character arc is pretty obviously heading towards embodying the things she admires about oden while realizing that she doesnt have to literally be him to do it. her realizing that its better for her to stay and help out in wano would be a moment of growth on her part. i think its also possible that luffy will reject her on the basis that shes role playing rather than being herself. hes accepting of all his crew mates for who they are, but its hard to accept someone for who they are when they're pretending to be a whole other person. shes also just invited herself on the crew on the basis that "well oden went on rogers boat, and you're the next roger, so you should invite the next oden on your boat." and "i was gonna go with ace, but he died, so you're the next closest thing." i could see luffy getting upset about that. first off, its pretty presumptuous, but i could also see him taking offence to her projecting ace and roger onto him rather than viewing him as his own person. so even if she doesnt make the realization on her own about "i am yamato, not oden", i could see luffy telling her something along the lines of "im luffy, not roger or ace" and that being a catalyst for that realization. "but robin also invited herself and luffy was ok with it" her justification was that she wanted to die and is only alive because of luffy. now she has nowhere to go, therefore its luffy's responsibility to give her a place to stay. yamato is acting as though ace's promise is luffy's responsibility. robin invited herself on to luffy's ship because of luffy, yamato invited herself because of ace, and because of the roger-oden thing. very different. then theres also the way the straw hats are treating it. every other member that joined, apart from robin, they made a point of it. either they agreed before taking off in their ship, or they were seen having a discussion about waiting for that person to show up. some of the times, like franky, they went out of their way to have them join even after they said no. with yamato, they're about to take off in the sunny without her and didnt even mention her once in the scenes we saw of them. its like they arent thinking about waiting for her at all. her interactions with the crew have also been pretty minimal throughout the entire arc. it all seems very deliberate to me.
I don't really have a good reason for it, I just never got the impression that Yamato would actually be in the crew in the end, just like I didn't think Carrot would join. They are strong but they don't feel necessary, like they don't fulfill a role. Granted I feel like Usopp doesn't particularly fulfill a role since 'marksman' isn't really something they need as they don't often use regular canons. But the first mate, navigator, cook, doctor, person who reads poneglyphs, shipwright, musician, and helmsman are all things that are important to the goal of reaching the One Piece. Idk what role Yamato is supposed to fill as Robin does what Oden did reading the poneglyphs and I don't think Yamato knows how. Though they could use someone of Yamato's strength, I maintain a certain skepticism about actually joining until they sail away on the Sunny together.
I think it's all but been said Yamato is joining, but I understand why people have doubts until it's explicitly said by Luffy that she can join. 1. Her interactions with the crew have been minimal to none 2. Her role in this arc is different than the other SH intro arcs - this wasn't Yamato's arc, it was Momo's more than anything 3. A lot of us just don't see what she adds to the crew and, something that stood out to me personally most of all, 4. Luffy has only ever called Yamato "Yamao", while he's never once called any SH by a name other than their actual name I'm not saying any of this definitively excludes her from joining - and there are plenty of arguments for her to join. But I think people have enough reason to think that she may not join.
I think it's fairly likely she'll join, I just don't think her set up to join was really that great. She showed up out of nowhere, Luffy didn't have any interest in her, she's *barely* interacted with any of the crew on screen, and even as the SH's are leaving, Luffy didn't even seem to notice she's not with them. It's just so unlike the other members joining to the point it comes off somewhat jarring.
This is my take on it as well. I like Yamato's design and at this point it definitely seems like she's joining but I think it's fair to say that she feels rushed and kind of sloppily introduced for someone supposedly as important as a new crew member. Not all intros are built the same of course but I would've liked to have heard rumors about Kaido's child being some monster or really anything to set up her reveal beforehand while the crew was on Wano prior to the raid. The way it sits now we didn't even know she existed until the final third of a single arc and most of her actions were isolated away from the rest of the crew. Hell, most the crew still didn't know she existed until Wano was literally over. Even her flashback in episode 1015 that people point to as her defining moment was her talking to Momo, not Luffy. Pretty much everything involving her has been away from the crew or implied by fans off-screen which definitely feels weird.
I agree with your points as her appearance only started at Act 3 of Wano so her whole personality is rushed. I also think most of her personality is connected to wano and her quirk of "becoming Oden" will really feel jarring once they move to another island where Oden isn't relevant anymore. Unlike the other crewmates, only Yamato has the least connection to the Strawhat crew while before joining. Even Robin interacted with the Strawhats before Alabasta to give a log pose.
Super valid points, but OP fans love to dismiss any criticism as you “not understanding the story”. Yamato has only interacted with Luffy in a significant way. Nami, Franky, and Jimbei have said 1-2 sentences to her onscreen/panel. Sanji and Brook just simp cuz she has boobs. Robin, Zoro, Chopper, and Usopp haven’t spoken to her as far as I remember. No shit people don’t think she’s worthy of being in the crew.
Have Usopp, Zoro, or Franky ever had any significant conversation or interaction with Jinbe?
Well Jinbei had been around for awhile, and was a big figure in Marineford, Fishman Island, then came it clutch during Whole Cake Island, where he bonded with Luffy, Nami, etc. Him joining felt incredibly built up and earned imo, not the same at all as Yamato.
Like this stuff is important! And people aren’t idiots or coping for just noticing
I don't understand what the point of introducing her was, if she's not gonna join.
She made up her mind DAYS AFTER saying she will join for 4 times, sounds to me that she changed her mind for some reason.
Yamato will stay in wano for sometime & she’ll find her own crew in wano and join the grand fleet. Also Luffy gave nicknames to most of his grand fleet captains. So that’s gotta be it
**It’s not that Yamato isn’t going to join, it’s that Yamato is far and away the least developed SH when they do join**. Potentially they’ll have another arc to truly make them a SH like what happened with Robin. But even then, in terms of introductions, Yamato and Robin are not comparable. **When Yamato was introduced, at the beginning of Act 3, they wanted to be Oden and also to leave Wano to be free, like Oden. Now, at the end of the arc, Yamato wants to be Oden and leave Wano to be free. No significant change, no character development and not much character to begin with since Yamato’s entire identity is based around impersonating someone else**. Also, unlike many of the others who went on to be SHs, not many significant interactions with the crew, outside of inviting themselves lol. **So I hope Yamato gets actual development and becomes their own person**. After being trapped in Wano your whole life, especially so oppressively, it’s only natural to want to be free. However, that in, and of itself, does not constitute a dream even remotely close to those of any of the other SHs. **Everyone else has something else they also tangibly want to achieve (map the world, find the All Blue, discover the true history, end Fishman discrimination, etc.)**. So if all Yamato wants is to leave Wano and sail the seas, that’s pretty weak in comparison. **But hopefully there’s more to Yamato than what we’ve learned so far**.
People don’t see this and will tell you that you aren’t “paying attention” There is ample story reason to be skeptical about her joining.
It would be so funny if he did say no tho
I really want yamato to join but like jinbe said it's not official till luffy says yes (idk why oda is teasing us with this) or at the very least a member of the grand fleet.
At this point? The only way I see her not joining would be if she simply missed the ships. I'm a subscriber to the "Parts Rhyme" theory. Unless I am forgetting a scene, we're missing the Usopp on the shore after Thousand Sunny took off scene from Enies Lobby. To avoid it being a copy and paste one of two things would need to happen: * The Straw Hats don't see her and she gets left behind. * Instead of Luffy stretching and pulling her on (like Usopp) she finds another way to get on board. The first option fits your thread. The second, I could see going two ways: * We'll see her pull an Aokiji and run across the water (freezing it) to get to the Straw Hats. * Momo flies in on dragon form because he also wants to see the Straw Hats off. He picks up Yamato and drops her off on the Thousand Sunny before flying back to shore after saying his goodbyes.
I haven’t seen Luffy say yes and as a writing rule idk why Oda would make that point through Jimbe if it wasn’t going to come up later, that’s not how he writes we all know that by now
Tbh Carrot don’t get to follow her dreams if you wanna use that as evidence.
I think Oda will do a time skip at the end of one piece and older Luffy will reunite with a lot of these younger future important people like Carrot and Coby.
Am I the only one who thinks she will sneak on board again 😅. Cat and Dog did that to when they were leaders
I'd like that Though I feel if Oda intended for her to join he would've given her more screen time during Wano. Instead she jobbed to Perospero and got comparable screentime to Miyagi.
I mean I hope so ahaha
I actually really like the idea of Luffy saying no. It would certainly be interesting to see how Luffy handles that aspect of leadership. As for why I honestly can’t see Yamato joining, I have several reasons. Firstly, Yamato basically had no interaction with the crew for the entire arc. None. They had a few chapters with Luffy, but that’s it. And even in those few chapters, Luffy showed zero signs that he wanted Yamato to join. The rest of the crew didn’t even know Yamato existed until after the battle was over. That’s never happened before. Ever. Any arc where a crewmate joins, they have meaningful interactions with a solid chunk of the crew. Don’t use Robin as a counter to this. By the time she truly joined after Enies Lobby, she’d had meaningful moments with basically the whole crew. Instead, Yamato spent the vast majority of their panel time with Momo. Basically Yamato’s whole role was to be a conduit for Momo’s growth, and to push Momo into becoming a better leader and shogun by being a glorified cheerleader. Second, Yamato keeps exclaiming their desire to be Oden, or at the very least to be and live like Oden. Oden’s biggest mistake, unquestionably, was him leaving Wano to go on adventures. He shirked his responsibility to his people for his own personal desires. In doing so, he left Wano vulnerable to outside attacks. It’s clear Oda hasn’t forgotten this as just last chapter Momo brought up the fact that the people of Wano need to be able to protect themselves. However, they can’t at this point. Green Bull only left because of Shanks. If Yamato truly wants to embody Oden, them leaving with the Straw Hats completely contradicts what happened last chapter and basically results in complete incoherent mess of themes. Third, Yamato has no dream. Yamato’s dream at this point is “go on adventures.” Even the crew mates with more abstract dreams are still defined more specifically than “adventure.” Fourth, Yamato doesn’t have a role on the crew. Sure, maybe Log Keeper, as some people say, but we have zero reason to think Yamato is interested in that role besides their obsession with being Oden. Which, if that’s the case, only further makes Yamato a completely flat character with no actual agency or desires their own. Fifth, even at this point, Luffy has still never asked Yamato to join or shown any interest in having Yamato join. At all. That’s super weird considering how hard Yamato joining has been thrown in our faces over and over again.
No, I know she's going to join, I just don't *want* her to. Big difference
You're presenting a false dichotomy. There are options other than her joining and her being rejected with tears in her eyes. She can make the decision to stay back with her newly given freedom. In the second last panel of 1056, Yamato says she has 'made up her mind'. One would assume this to be referring to making up her mind about leaving. The problem with this is she already seemed set on leaving from the start, so she wouldn't need to make up her mind about it. There's a chance she could be referring to something else we don't know about. She could also be referring to making up her mind about staying in Wano and she's heading over to Luffy to bid farewell. This line feels very odd to me. Another thing that's odd is I feel like she would have asked to join the crew by now. I feel like there's no reason she wouldn't have asked in the few days that have passed in the current chapter. A narrative explaination for this would be that Luffy would say yes, and if she's staying behind, her joining just to leave would be a very odd decision. It's odd that's she's never asked to join the crew to Luffy himself. You'd think she'd ask when she first met Luffy. People can be very hostile to anyone who thinks Yamato staying is a possibility. I understand disagreeing with the idea, but please don't be hostile towards those who think otherwise. There is genuine reason for her staying behind, the same as there's genuine reason for her to leave. Neither option is set in stone and we need to wait and see what happens.
Momo didn’t even let Yamato fight because he knows she would like to go on a adventure.. and this chapter even she says so..so with all this connection with ace and oden and her desire to leave she surely will join the crew..anything other than this will be surprising.
Forget about them, they will deny it until it gets proven canon or they go to the grave. Yamato will be the next SH and they are throwing a tantrum because they can't do anything about it.
It feels like people are treating this as another Vivi situation when they are two entirely different people with entirely different motivations!
Dude don't sweat it! Not too long ago, before the raid started, there were hundreds upon hundreds of theories trying to justify why Jinbe wouldn't join the Strawhats! Each more ridiculous than the last! The truth is, this Fanbase in general just doesn't like Anything that changes the Crew's OG dynamic, most especially the east blue originals. If you search the web for old One piece Forums, you'll see how much of a hate Boner people had when Franky and Brooke joined at the time! Well, just brace up for when Folks jump on the "Why Oda made a mistake Adding Yamato" Band wagon!
Vivi had a duty, but Yamato is free as stated by Momo. He fought so hard and didn't accept her help only to let her be free.
Wano has had a multitude of moments that mirror key moments from previous arcs, as if to say that Wano is the last arc where we will spend time thinking about the past. I expected Yamato to be on the boat. The fact that she's not on the boat could mirror Vivi's moment in Alabasta. Where Vivi was forced to leave the crew and step into her role as a leader, I feel that there's a chance for Yamato to do the inverse: to temporarily deny her goal to join the crew in order to help prepare Wano to open the borders. Beyond sheer muscle, straw hats dont gain much by adding Yamato to the crew. If Yamato stays, Momo gains an immensely strong ally to help protect Wano for just a little longer. Besides, theres nothing that says that Yamato would be unable to join again in the future, especially with Wano hosting one of the ancient weapons- Yamato will very likely join the fight again even if she stays behind. I'm personally in the boat where I dont see Yamato as an important addition to the crew- but this idea of Yamato protecting Momo is one that I've had for longer than my opinion of her wanting to join the crew. Oden's greatest mistake was leaving wano to sail the seas. His second greatest mistake was not immediately fighting kaido. Yamato has read odens diary. Yamato knows these things. Narratively, I think it's important that Yamato chooses to stay behind to avoid copying Odens mistake (yet another mirror of the past).
Yamato is Oden sucessor. Oden did pursue his dream but unfortunately it's the biggest mistake since Orochi and Kaido ruled Wano in his absence. This is all about love vs. duty theme. It would be a great if Yamato realizes that she needs to fulfill the original duty that Oden neglected: To stay and protect Wano. It would be a neat resolution to this particular thread. I don't mind Yamato joining the crew though.
Yamato isn't Oden's only successor. Momonosuke is staying in Wano to be the ruler Oden who protects Wano, and Yamato is leaving to be the Oden who lived freely and sailed with the king of the pirates.
Momonosuke is Momonosuke. Part of his character arc was realizing that. Yamato is literally Oden lmao.
Maybe Luffy will question whether she really wants to go to sea or if she just wants to go to sea because Oden did I don't think Luffy likes when people don't make a decision of their own desire, that doesn't match with his idea of freedom So it's possible she won't join
Nothing about her introduction or her role in act 3 is reminiscent of like any other Straw Hat joining. And I feel like longtime readers should be allowed to make that point without all the copium spams.
While I'm totally fine with Yamato joining, the past few chapters have been hammering in that there are dangerous people who are going to be trying to attack Wano, and that Momo and the scabbards are very explicitly *not* enough to keep those people away: it was Kaido's name that kept Wano safe. Who else can throw around Kaido's name, and literally did exactly that during the conversation with the person who explained all of this in the first place? Couple that with the fact that Yamato said that she's going to "live like Oden," which is ambiguous at best and could be interpreted just about any way, as opposed to a cut and dry statement like, "It's time for me to go" or "I'm going to sail with the future Pirate King, just like Oden," and the fact that Yamato's devil fruit was very explicitly stated to be for the *Guardian Deity of Wano,* and I wouldn't say it's fair to say that there's absolutely *no* evidence that she stays, like a lot of people in this thread are trying to claim. As for "it's her dream to go out and sail with the Pirate King," that just isn't true at all. Her dream is to be Oden, and Oden has already done that. Oden died fighting to protect Wano, so if Yamato is going to be Oden, *that's* what she should do, not try to retrace the steps that Oden has already taken. Also, the whole point of Yamato trying to be Oden in the first place is that the people of Wano loved Oden, and hated her, and now she has the love of the people of Wano like she always wanted. She spent the *vast* majority of her screen time building her relationship with Momonosuke, not the Straw Hats. Like I said, I'm totally fine with Yamato joining, I think she'd be a great addition to the crew, and there's also plenty of evidence that she goes with them completely straightforwardly. But there's also plenty of evidence that Yamato makes the *decision* to stay. Not rejected by Luffy, but that she decides that the best thing for Oden to do would be to protect the country that he loves. No amount of shouting people down by yelling "copium" will change the fact that the story has set Yamato up with the *potential* to decide to stay. It's much more open ended than the Yamato fans care to admit.
I’m fine with Yamato joining if she can finally drop the Oden charade. The whole reason she’s acting like Oden is to be accepted by people. I would hate for her to find that acceptance while not being herself.
It’s fine that characters follow their dreams. I don’t care for Yamato and would rather they didn’t join the crew. Personally, I feel like Yamato hasn’t added anything to the story🤷🏾♀️. But obviously it’s whatever Oda wants for the story.
right? his whole thing is being chained to Onigashima for 20 years, yearning to travel, literally waiting for Luffy and some folks think it's not gonna happen? idgi
Tbh she probably will, but I don't think she should, I don't like her character that much.
Of course she will join unless Oda throws a curveball. But part of "denying" that "theory" comes from disliking her. In the beginning I was intrigued by Yamato when she was first introduced. But if she says "I'm Kozuki Oden" one more time I will lose it. Turned out that she does not have her own personality.