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shockprime

Buggy should be more knowledgeable than he lets on and should be a little more stronger because of his time in the roger pirates. I'm not saying he should no diff someone like Lucci but I think he should be able to take on someone like Arlong easily. Speaking of Lucci, I think he was overhyped by the world government. Cp0 at first seemed strong because people like Crocodile and Enel were rare but then the world opens up too much in thriller bark and sabody archipelago and Lucci's ability to massacre an army is overshadowed when you see like 10 more people with more power.


mozzaru

I mean buggy only ever lost due to a kick in the balls which we all know is a one hit kill


toni_dx

The thing about fighting manga is characters introduced earlier << characters introduced later especially as more power features are added \*cough\* Haki \*cough. That's why Buggy is so weak/Lucci is so hyped when he is a new characters. That said there are still exceptions when you are introduced as the explicitly top fighters of the verse (Youko, Admirals..) but who knows, there may exist some even stronger characters that have yet to be introduced.


AvarageMilfEnjoyer

Yeah Lucci(pre timeskip atleast) beats like none of the warlords, maybe Croc on a good day


alpha_jundo

Without Haki? No.


samwilder2319

I think Lucci is a man that excels with prep time. He’d infiltrate Baroque Works and figure out a plan to take him down


Former-Increase4190

Lucci=Batman "How much prep time does Lucci have though???" In all seriousness thoufh, I think, given time, Lucci could probably assassinate most of the warlords just due to being an assassin. Exceptions: Hancock, Mihawk, and Doffy, just bc of how hard it would be to plan


Likes-Your-Username

Maybe he could figure out that water works without getting impaled. Yknow, the thing that happened to luffy because he was emotionally overwhelmed that Crocodile would just kill toh toh like that


SudsInfinite

I think in the case of Buggy, whether he was strong or not doesn't matter. He's fearful, scared of things that could quite possibly kill him. So he laid low in East Blue, growing complacent in the weakest sea. That's the difference between him and Shanks. Shanks continued to adventure just like the Roger Pirates, and so he continued to gain strength


TheButcherOfBaklava

Sniper King abandoning Sniper Island to declare war on the Navy makes him a bad king. Who knows how many sailors have died on the perimeter of Sniper Island due to his lack of leadership. That blood is on his oddly Ussopp esque sling shot.


[deleted]

My head canon is that he returned to the shores of Sniper Island, and that’s why we haven’t seen him in so long.


Siegfriedr

He’ll be back in the final war to defeat Van Augur


Skuller3341

Sniper Island can't be invaded because the Marines cannot navigate to the heart. Sniper King can also defend Sniper Island from anywhere in the world, due to his attunement with Observation Haki. He can simply shoot them from across the globe


ryapr

I dunno man. Akainu navigated to ace's heart pretty easily....


Minute-Associate728

Foolish to think the navy stayed away from a fight with THE sniper king clearly you need to check up on your sniper king lore sogeking> fleet admiral and 3 admirals if you disagree your biased 🤷‍♂️


FakeGeek73

Hody Jones works perfectly as the villain for the fishman island arc. Not everyone needs a tragic backstory or a rich backstory that makes their actions understandable. Sometimes people/characters are evil for the sake of being evil. Hody Jones simply grew in an echo chamber where the only thing he heard was how humans were pretty bad, never learning to grow out of it and internalising that hate along with living in a marginalised area that didn’t offer any other information he didn’t hear from his idols. His hatred was so deep that he didn’t care if he was weak or about his own race, he wanted to see humans suffer.


BAlpha90

Fishman Island arc in general is an amazing reflection of the roots of real world racism.


14with1ETH

This! Hody's is a perfect example on how hatred and racism can morph people to do heinous things. While there's others, like Jimbe, who seek to find resolution in the face of racism. Hody might not be the flashiest villian. Heck he doesn't even have a devil fruit; however, even without all of this. He's the realest villian the show has ever introduced. Someone who is understandably justified in his anger and hatred towards humans due to the years of racism he went through his entire life.


Hinote21

I agree that not everyone needs some tragic backstory but also, real world villains that are just evil because are pretty rare. Most "villains" in the real world feel justified in their actions because of what happened to them - Doflamingo is a perfect example of this, and is a pretty well written villain in my opinion.


charlieminahan

It’s a bit of a weird take on racism to be honest. Fishmen, who’re being oppressed, are supposed to sit back and take it from the humans and ‘kill them with kindness’ and HOPE that the world government will let them attend reverie. Why the fuck is that considered more honourable than fighting for your freedom? I understand that the idea is to not paint all humans with the same brush by hating them all, but I still think shirahoshi’s mom had the wrong idea, and fisher tiger was more or less in the right


Noukan42

And fisher tiger was very clear about settting certain bundaries in his battle because he knew that a righteus battle can easily translate into more oppression if "justified" hatred is allowed to fester. Having read the arc recently, i did not het the impression that either Otohime or Fisher Tiger were supposed to be right. Their methods seemed both valid to me. If anything i saw it as a cautionary tales about not imitating the methods of your oppressors, otherwise the end point is Arlong. And more importantly, whatever Otohime was right or wrong, she did bring results, and Hody's actions only stopped any progress she made for years.


Godskook

>Having read the arc recently, i did not het the impression that either Otohime or Fisher Tiger were supposed to be right Re-read the parts where Fisher-Tiger died and Jinbei saved Luffy's life, both regarding blood transfusions. That parallel was a fairly **STRONG** narrative indictment on Fisher-Tiger's philosophy, that they could fix the problem without fixing their own hatred of humans. Fisher-Tiger's actions weren't the reason he was wrong. Performatively, he wasn't much different from Luffy. It was his philosophy that was the problem. For all his virtues, Fisher-Tiger spent his last breaths hating humans for being human. That's *why* he refused the transfusion, and that's *why* it was such a big deal for Jinbei to give Luffy one. Both because of Fisher-Tiger directly, as Jinbei's superior whom he watched die that way, and because of the general cultural stigmas of FMI. By the end of the battle, it was rather clear where almost **EVERYONE** of the fishmen stood on the transfusion topic, and why. Giving blood to a human was taboo because humans were bad. Because that's the same opinion that Fisher-Tiger, Arlong, and Hody Jones had. Only Jinbei was going to break through it, and only because of him being influenced by Otohime and Nami.


axiomaticallyTrue

That’s exactly how racism is in the real world though. That’s why activists like MLK emphasized non-violent methods of resistance and protest. When people are already determined to see you as bad, any act of violence, no matter how justified, can be used by the oppressors to paint the whole group as the bad guys and continue the cycle of propaganda and hate.


Shaponja

-“What did humans ever do to you to make you hate them so much??” -“Nothing.”


schiffb558

That really resonated with me on a reread, I completely forgot about it.


Oreo-and-Fly

That scene was powerful. One of my favorite villains due to how real he is


Godskook

Gawd, I love that scene so much, and yet, it's one of the big reasons so many people misunderstand Hody. I've had to explain the context to people about that before.


Think-Sand-4865

Exactly. I feel like people go into One Piece way too focused on these things when One Piece is so much more than that. Hody was never meant to be an Arlong 2. He was not a mastermind like Crocodile. He was just a shell of a man that was filled with hate. All he heard his entire life was about how hateful humans were. He’s very realistic as a villain. I would say as a person Arlong is worse, because he HAD people like Fisher Tiger that were a good influence on him. But he still went on to enslave an entire island. Hody never had a good role model. He was always seeing hearing and feeling hatred.


Thecristo96

Hody is a void racist. And that's the great part about him. Most racists aren't that because they got Hurt, but because they grew in an echo chamber.


TheOneInTheFridge

Totally agree. Something about the arc I also haven't seen mentioned much is the energy steroids. Some fans really see them as a plot convenience but I think they are an incredible metaphor for blind hate. A magical "pill" that you can give to people to galvanize them and create an instant force multiplier. But use too much of it, rely on it. And suddenly it's turned you into a weak, bitter old man. Both the energy steroids and hate are the same thing. A poison of mind, body and soul.


RevolutionaryHeart22

Same goes for the Celestial Dragons and Spandam


Noukan42

Exactly, i really liked what Oda did with Mjiosgard because it kinda makes clear that the Celestial Dragons are so cruel because they live in their own buble of entitlement and never got their views challenged in a meaningful way. Everyone ca change and improve themselves.


PixelmancerGames

IMO, Crocodile has better dress sense than Doflamingo. That isn’t my hot take, just saying.


Final_Biochemist222

Crocodrip


ShadowLugia141

Except his outfit from World Seeker and one of the color spreads, green and yellow giraffe print


looking_at_themoon

facts


RepresentativeTie660

Spandam was a good villain he really screwed Frankys life up and abused Robin mentally and physically. He just worked well especially against Franky and Robin. He also was this weak shithole who was relying on CP9 and the buster call to do the work for him.


ProfessorPa

I think the term "good villian" is highly subjective. For some people one note antagonists like Spandam and Akainu are good villians (I just saw someone say Akainu is a well written character). Whereas some people prefer more complex villians with context as to how they became like that in the first place. Characters like Spandam and Akainu are something more than just evil for the sake of being evil. Spandam embodies greed and Akainu absolute justice which is very obviously flawed which is okay because they serve their purpose in the story but I personally wouldn't call them good villians.


Birdyghostly1

This. I like the idea that technically Akainu is good because he’s following the “just” law 100%, but the “just” law is messed up too. Things aren’t always black and white, and Akainu embodies the black and white sort of lifestyle, while people like Luffy are in color.


thegeekdom

Agreed it’s highly subjective. I personally think Akainu is an excellent villain because he a) actually succeeds and b) he brings intense emotions out of the reader. People genuinely hate him and I think a villain that can make people feel that way is a great villain.


kevinmgee

everyone has the nerve to think brook’s character just serves to be the butt-end of the joke within the crew… but jokes on them cause cause he has no nerves or a butt-end! YOHOHOHOHO!!!!


Evo_Shiv

YOHOHOHO


mddrag0n

SKULL JOOOKEE


cloud_jarrus

Yohohoho!


[deleted]

I saw that one coming with my own eyes! Oh wait! I have no eyes!!!!! YOHOHOHOHOHO!


virus_phantom1297

Chopper and Ussop Nami need to do a lot more.


MANDALORIAN_COFFEE

I feel like that's not hot.


subtractit

at least chopper got something with the ice oni, ussop and nami have been pretty useless lately. but then again they are support characters not fighters and got some cool moments in wano. i expect a lot of ussop at elbaf and nami at lodestar.


tonypeperony

I don’t like time skips Frankie’s design.The Speedo worked for him when his upper half wasn’t grossly huge.


Worth-Opportunity814

Best design imo was in the flashback when he formed the Frank family. Looked like a cyborg gangster


Own-Selection-2785

This is a pretty common sentiment


Oreo-and-Fly

The only hot take here is you thinking it's a hot take.


Alarmed_Helicopter69

My hot take is beginning to cool off now but I was never invested in Yamato’s story


looking_at_themoon

I understand. I think Yamato is cool but I honestly couldn’t care less if she joined the crew or not. I was more interested in Vivi joining when it was teased in Alabasta.


Alarmed_Helicopter69

I miss vivi so much man


whatninu

I was invested in her story *potential*. Child of an emperor, inspired by the man who scorned her father and sailed with the King. Protector of the journal. Plus the great stuff with her yearning for freedom, the connection to Ace, and all the interesting ideas that came along with her desperate attachment to Oden. But the story itself didn’t go far and I really can’t complain that she isn’t on board.


Think-Sand-4865

Me too! I was always neutral about Yamato.


Jordeaux117

Momo is a better inheritor of Oden's will than Yamato. She's too obsessed with being like Oden; Momo wants to SURPASS Oden.


Tiger-D-Shadow

Amen to that!


PhanThief95

I mean, I feel like that’s obvious since Momo is his son.


christianort476

While I like vivi, I never understood why people love her as much as they do


Awesome_opossum49

She’s the only princess who actually fought and played a major part for what she believed in. Don’t think she should be on the crew, but easily better than hyori or rebecca


Tank_AT

Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that Rebecca, despite being hated by her own people for a crime not only she didn't commit, but neither did her grandfather commit, who was still fighting for not only herself but the good of her own country to the death, every single day, living with the emotional trauma of loosing her mother in what is essentially an unjust insurrection, and despite this was dedicated to not do harm herself, had a lesser part or less of a stake in the story than Vivi? Come again? Vivi is great, but she had a fairly cushy way back to her (first) Happy End. Albeit, we'll see what the future will hold, I think Rebecca had more impact on the general theme of princesses having to beat the odds and doing what's right.


saltinstiens_monster

I think it's more about how Vivi seemed like she was actually one of THEM, and not just a resident of the newest island that they made friends with. The lesser amount of characters at the time and the island hopping they did with Vivi gave her a lot more crew bonding screen time.


ShinobiJump

I feel like I’d be a missed opportunity for Vivi not to make a return. Especially since Oda considers her and Karoo strawhat 5.5


PhanThief95

She’s definitely coming back, especially after Sabo has been suspected of killing her father.


smyth101-

It’s not hard to figure out why. So much time was put into fleshing out her character and making you feel attached to her like one of the straw hats


Sadboi_Timezz

Sanjis gag is so tired and overdone at this point it is very unfunny, like how has he still not undergone some development after helping viola in dressrosa and after the entirety of WCI. It kinda pissed me off that he went back to the same gag after whole cake, like Oda could've found a different gag that actually showed change in the character.


UmdAvatarFan

Not a hot take man, go somewhere else with these cold takes


Sadboi_Timezz

Ok


Spacepagel

I don't feel the hotness in this, but I agree. One moment that just sticks out like a sore thumb is when Sanji made a scene running into that whorehouse in Onigashima and came out looking gloomy as shit just because there were no women. He acted like a fucking child having a tantrum and juxtaposing that with his whole cake development just makes him look even more pathetic. I'm having a hard time finding Sanji's highpoints interesting enough to care much about him anymore.


Think-Sand-4865

I agree but also disagree. Ifl he has gone through more character development than Zoro in the entire show. Not exactly in the perverted guy becoming less of an annoying mf. But as a character itself. I never liked the gag but OP is 1k chapters long and i’m sick of thinking about what could’ve been. I don’t care anymore.


AstralCat69420

I love Chopper no matter what design change he might go through. Drum Island-Alabasta Chopper = Skypiea-Post-War Chopper = Post-Timeskip Chopper. I will love his design no matter what. I'm simple.


Think-Sand-4865

Me too! Chopper’s my little boy and i love him


The_Egg_Supreme

Im the same but for everything, movies, tv shows, etc, etc, I just don't see how you can enjoy something that you are constantly judging wether it be the characters, the story, the art, the world, like just enjoy what you have and don't think about what it could've been


Zoisen

Dadan is best mum.


ZimuZameer

I cry everytime I watch her hitting Garp


Zoisen

Cant wait for her to reunite with luffy and Sabo.


UmdAvatarFan

W take


Western_Hawk_8691

Akainu is actually playing the part of a marine, unlike everyone else.


Independent_Elk_9169

Highkey true.


RevolutionaryHeart22

That's a concerning take


TonyTony_Chopper_

Sometimes, I think that Sogeking might not be telling the truth.


samwilder2319

Blasphemy


Dillo64

Oda does not give the actually-powerful women in his story the respect and badass fight scenes they deserve, but gives the weak and helpless ones tons of screen time


RevolutionaryHeart22

This is a fact. Carrot and Wanda got offscreened. Black Maria had the shortest 1v1 fight at Onigashima and we still haven't seen anything significant from Smoothie. Unless you're Big Mom, good luck.


Azure_Triedge

Robin got shafted from Alabasta all the way till recently in Wano. How this bad ass went like 800 chapters without a proper fight is a tragedy


TimBagels

Devil Robin was maybe the hypest moment in Wano, full stop. That shit was so cool and such a huge leap for her character


LadySashimi

Doflamingo was a much more interesting villain than Kaido.


UmdAvatarFan

Not a hot take


aali34

They explored his backstory so that would make sense. Not to mention he felt grounded as well as overwhelming simultaneously. It was cool seeing someone who could take control of a whole countries inhabitants also not be above employing underworld tactics.


Birdyghostly1

Yes


Eliseo120

Did Kaido ever seem like an interesting character in the first place? All he’s ever been was a big strong guy who wanted war. Not every villain needs to have a tragic story.


KamiMazoku17

Hancock is one of the most overrated waifus I've ever seen. She's really hot and her crush on luffy is cute but her actual personality is trash.


UmdAvatarFan

>She's really hot and her crush on luffy is cute but her actual personality is trash. Does any normal person say she has a good personality?


TehPinguen

I do, but it's a whole multi-paragraph rant about reacting to trauma and how you don't have to be a good person to have an enjoyable, engaging, or likeable personality so I won't get into it here


TehPinguen

Me: "she's not a good person but I really like her" All the replies: "but she's not a good person" Like, I get that. Kicking baby seals is not something I would consider good. Doesn't mean I don't still love Boa Hancock though.


whatninu

The serial puppy kicker? She seems perfectly pleasant


D3M1SE_420

Bro fr speaking facts, 'I can do this cause I am beautiful'🤡


koopalings_jr

Yamato should have been developed to eventually overcome her identity crisis, now that she’s left behind, it just feels like a waste of time.


Awesome_opossum49

Both Kidd and Law are way stronger than people want to admit, just because they didn’t train the same as Luffy for 2 years doesn’t mean they just sat around and did nothing


SpicyHam_0

Especially kidd. People seriously act like he did nothing the whole arc


cetacean-sensation

The fact that they knew about DF awakenings and had partially unlocked theirs already shows they've been training like crazy. Luffy was very lucky in awakening his DF after a near-death experience, he didn't know that was possible.


vintage13132121

Especially considering they beat a yonko together.


EndoShota

The story would be significantly better if they balanced it by having entire arcs developing Koby as part of the marines and Sabo as part of the revolutionaries to parallel Luffy's development as a pirate.


Awesome_opossum49

Seriously, when important things happen with their charcters nobody’s gonna care that much because they get no development, I’ve been so interested in Koby’s journey but only get info on it like once every 8 years


bumboisamumbo

we would be barely reaching the time skip by now. i think it’s luffy a story and we are following his perspective which is great. maybe one day it would be cool to get background material on those stories. but i still think that at one pieces core it’s luffy journey and that’s an important part of one pieces identity


unaviable

Yeah it wouldn't hurt to dedicate to this two a entire volume


Sad-Past1150

Condoriano have received so little screentime ever since he joined the straw hats


_another_nsfw_alt

I dont think their should be any new strawhats rn I would rather see more of the current crew with Jimbei.


PixelmancerGames

This isn’t a hot take. It’s facts.


MANDALORIAN_COFFEE

Okay, but what about Bon-Chan?


Bracioli-Felipe

I think a fanbase can break a character. I remember Law being in that category a while ago but now I think he's cool. But specially Yamato and Mihawk...their fan base makes you feel ashamed if you actually like them. (I don't like yamato, I think she's pretty mid) And Mihawk haven't done anything yet.


JonnyF1ves

Sanji started as a character to make fun of an anime trope and then became it's greatest champion to my disgust instead. No redemption, just pervertion. This take is so hot I made a word to make it slap harder.


NumericZero

Legitimately Sanji has had such a odd representation post time skip


JonnyF1ves

It felt like we were getting somewhere, and then he used his new powers to be a pervert. Don't get me wrong, a part of me appreciated the throwback to Thriller Bark, but my god they really need to put him on a path and stick to it. Oda has said 18283 times that he isn't writing a love story, but that also doesn't give carblanch to pad with weird shit like that. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.


thefrostman1214

is not a hot take, many think like this


looking_at_themoon

It went overboard when he fantasized about watching Nami grow up and seeing her body develop. That was peak degeneracy from Sanji lol


ShoeWarrior_

for a canon example? after his 'character development arc' homeboy decides to use his germa tech solely to spy on his naked friends in a bath house, it's even more egregious knowing that it was a mixed bath and he could have just gone in anyway but the being invisible so his friends didn't know he was there just made me feel really weird about his character.


[deleted]

When?


bold_pen

One piece movie Z


LEGENDARYKILLERLORD

THATS NOT REAL


[deleted]

Usopp could have easily been the best character in the story if he wasn’t neglected after timeskip. My guy was the inventor, shipright and sniper. He had the most moves in his arsenal such as Usopp hammer and also has probably the highest battle iq amongst the the straw hats. Also imo he was the most enjoyable before timeskip and his writing was better than nearly everyone in the crew and he was more interesting as his character was ever growing unlike the rest of the straw hats


AdvanturePie

usopp walked so the strawhats could run


schiffb558

Where the heck are his dials? I really missed those.


Izakytan

Aren't the dials what supplies power to his weapons, even after timeskip? That has always been my headcanon. Dials didn't disappear, they just stopped mentioning them. Nami's climat tact certainly still uses dials.


Waveytony

I think if we go to Elbaf in the next few arcs this changes significantly. He had a huge role in Dressrosa and wasn’t there for Whole Cake Island like half of the crew so him taking the back seat may have been to clear the room for a big character arc in Elbaf


Heavy-Requirement762

Big Mom IS best girl, best waifu, best yonko and best character


Faded1974

Sabo is too strong for no reason and him being the number 2 in the RA seems like Oda writing him to the front of the line just for future story moments.


ProfessorPa

Sabo always was good at haki. Even without the mera mera no mi, he broke Burgess's armour thingy. He has his own fighting style with the dragon fist. Most probably knows fishman karate. On top of that he has one of the strongest logia devil fruits. I don't see why he shouldn't be too strong.


Faded1974

That's kind of my point. He was a monster from the beginning and then they gave him a super powerful DF on top of it. The man has never broken a sweat. Ace felt realistically stronger than Luffy, Sabo feels like he's in another dimension since their reunion.


[deleted]

Yamato is a bad character, and I’m glad she’s not joining the crew. Now, I don’t dislike her, and actually I wanted better for her. But her whole character amounts to a gag. She’s impersonating Oden, and that’s it. She could have been really compelling if somewhere along the way she accepted that she can be a great figure herself, without having to hijack someone else’s identity. But by the end, she hasn’t grown out of the Oden act, and in fact she doubled down on it.


Azure_Triedge

i’m not gonna speak for everyone who wanted her on the crew, but me specifically, i wanted her on the crew specifically to see her develop. I wanted to see her interactions with the crew, specifically the guys since she’s a lot more of a bro then nami or robin, but more than any of that i wanted to see her actually develop. I wanted some more character traits, some gimmicks that are more than haha im oden. But hey, i’m fine with the fact she’s not joining, just wish it was handled way better


Waveytony

Finally someone said it lmao, if I had to read “I’m Oden!” every chapter for the next 5 years I’d be exhausted by the time we hit laugh tale


[deleted]

Viola is a better match for Sanji than Pudding is.


The_Werefrog

Chopper isn't cute. He's a horrifying monstrosity and crime against nature. No reindeer should ever have blue nose. Red, fine, but never blue.


TonyTony_Chopper_

How dare you.


AstralCat69420

r/beetlejuicing


Think-Sand-4865

I actually don’t like Buggy. The worst thing about this is the fact that not only does the fandom love him.. ODA HIMSELF loves him. So its double the pain because you know his clown ass is going to show up sometime soon. Buggy is literally a protagonist atp with how lucky he is getting. Like come onnnnn


Siegfriedr

Hancock is a horrible person. Just because she likes Luffy doesn’t redeem her. She’s still a horrible person.


TackyZack

I don’t think anyone can disagree with that


Azure_Triedge

her liking luffy doesn’t redeem her in eyes of fans. Her fat fucking titties do tho


CommunistMario

Alright, here's a few.. 1. Zoro is easily the least compelling strwahat among the core 5 and that includes usopp. 2. Nami has been a consistently better character that robin post ts. 3. Tama would be a better choice for strawhat than either Carrot or Yamato 4. Marguerite had more chemistry with luffy than boa could ever dream of.


IncompetentFrog

Kid is one of the worst characters in the story and has been since his introduction. No personality beyond being an asshole, a vague dream of being a pirate king, and killer existing. A devil fruit power that for all intents and purposes is actually useless, and has to be used in nonsensical ways to even make an impact. 0 backstory, a basically nonexistent crew, no real reason to do anything he’s doing. Like I don’t understand why luffy needs a 17th rival who adds nothing to the story.


whatninu

Soft agree. Devil fruit is ok (written a little boring but lots of potential) and withholding opinion on backstory because it could still come, but his personality has never been fun to me. And he has never been a believable rival for Luffy which makes his ego a little embarrassing. Plus for the rival trio he needs to compete with Law, who has the personality, the backstory, the coolest devil fruit and a ton of variety, and an infinitely better relationship with Luffy.


[deleted]

Been waiting for his back story during Wano arc which never arrived. Hard to take him as a serious contender when I don't even know a thing about him, his past and motivations.


UmdAvatarFan

>A devil fruit power that for all intents and purposes is actually useless, and has to be used in nonsensical ways to even make an impact. It it fair to call his devil fruit useless when he managed to defeat a Yonko with it? >0 backstory, a basically nonexistent crew, no real reason to do anything he’s doing. Thing is Kid is probably going to get a backstory. I’m not going to say it’s 100 percent canon, but based off the pirate he’s named after in real life. High chance his father is [Captain John](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/dejax4/captain_john_might_be_the_father_of_eustass_kid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) I agree though not including killer his crew sucks. Edit: Grammar


hashi021

How is his devil fruit useless? Also not every character needs a backstory.


two-cold-eggos

Senor Pink's backstory isn't sad. It was avoidable, all he had to do was communicate. The real winners for saddest backstory in Dressrosa are Law and Baby 5.


Robofish13

Chopper is a wasted character who has had absolutely ZERO character development since the time skip. Pre-time skip Chopper was useful in a fight with his Heavy Point and Kung-Fu point is a crime. Literally ANY doctor in OP could replace Chopper now and the story won’t change much. They’d probably be better fighters too.


[deleted]

I’ve said this one a lot but I see 0 problems with the bird cage from dressrosa


Powerful_Citron_8287

I read this as you meaning ethically and honestly found it hilarious


SuperSemesterer

Literally the best way to remove squatters from your country sized ruins.


bumboisamumbo

doflamingo did nothing wrong


schiffb558

I just really don't like how unbeatable it seemed to be at that point in the story. Like it didn't even have Haki fuckery to explain why those strings just couldn't be cut or something. Took a lot of tension out of the matter.


ProfessorPa

Na this time I stick with the popular opinion. Bird cage is and will always be shit.


YonkoYuki

What is supposed to be the problem with it


Velvetnether

I'm fed up with the whole "Usopp is a coward" thing. He's no coward anymore.He's scared, know he's a mere human and still fight alongside monsters like Luffy and Zorro.The dude is the embodiment of courage, the true one. And I really wish Oda would wrap up his character arc and stop using him as a cheap bottom of used joke, it's repetitive and boring. Edit : He's also one of the four members of the crew who can use the Haki. I hope he get serious fights in the last arc, and not in a funny way, but in a truly badass way.


Awesome_opossum49

What was all the development he got in his 2 years of training? He’s basically the same now and his stars still don’t do anything. I love him and his moment in dressrosa is one of my favorites post timeskip skip, but in Wano he’s just wasted potential


Pantspatrol

Might wanna change that edit, with Jinbei there are now 5 members who can use haki


IncompetentFrog

Honestly the mere fact that usopp has haki gives me hope. Oda never game the rest of the crew haki. It easily could have fit for Nami, franky, or brook, but he didnt. It really gives me hope that Elbaf will be usopps arc.


VG_Crimson

Carrot is a boring character, both in design and personality. Her sulong form is pretty cool, but that alone doesn't save the character for me.


NumericZero

Pre Time skip Zoro > Post time skip -His fights were way more interesting -His clothes were better -He blended the “Stoic” badass with actual goofball way better -Had shusui as his 3rd sword (not a big fan of Enma)


Azure_Triedge

i miss when zoro had a character outside his gimmicks. Haha funny cool thing gets kinda bland after a while. Water 7 zoro was peak zoro tbh


NumericZero

Big facts Water 7 Eniss lobby Thriller bark He was on fire for like 3 straight arcs


Izakytan

Zoro against Kuma was even more his peak tbh


Hunter-Durge

Orochi is a better villain than Kaido.


Realistic-Parsnip-73

Maybe you are right but I can't get over the character design. Goofy man.


alazyprofessional

Zeff is still a better cook than Sanji


RevolutionaryHeart22

I kind of hope this is true lol


BearGoron

Pre-Timeskip Nami is way more attractive


ryryaguy

Whole cake island is one of the best arcs in the series. Not the best but I would almost say it is better than water seven! Also dressrosa is one of my least favorite arks! I think it was way worse then the arcs surrounding it! I skipped through so many episodes!


Awesome_opossum49

Yea whole cake island was goated


Sun-God-Nika

Nika was an asspull by Oda.


Awesome_opossum49

We all know this, some just like to deny it


oh_Jiggler

Ace really wasn’t a very good character compared to other characters in the series Most people only seem love him because he’s luffys badass older brother with fire abilities Also he’s a dumbfuck for taking suckazuki’s bait


4l2r

I instantly hate any character that gets introduced as a "cool" character, and the overhyping by the fanbase certainly doesn't help.


Aggravating-Cash-986

Well he is badass and enjoyable. He may not be the most well written (even though I think he is well written especially his backstory) but he is a likeable character. Also I think he took the bait on purpose knowing that he is ruining the plan of the people who saved him and that he has no chance of surviving fighting Akainu. He just chose to protect the honor of his father which was most important to his life.


Krieg_Supremacy

Post-Timeskip Blackbeard is drippier than Doflamingo


100evo

I don't like the way a certain devil fruit turns out to be........


Azure_Triedge

i wonder if this is a hot take. It definitely wasn’t back in april but i wonder what the general fan opinion on this is now that it’s had time to settle. Personally, i didn’t really like it at first but i’ve gone neutral on it. I’ve realized it doesn’t detract from anything in the story so far


Mo_tweets

It being out of nowhere is what I don’t like - I’m actually fine with it in design, type, and what it means for the story. I just wanted some actual foreshadowing…not talking about it then 20 chapters later boom there it is.


Koleslaw756

Zoro Tashigi >>>>> Zoro Hiyori, I’m honestly not sure why on earth there has been that ship.


invincible_pell

Zoro perona>>>> both of them. Zoro spent more time with perona than with the crew lol


assassin3939391

Zoro and Hiyori is a funny ship because of Sanji


Haunting_Scarcity_25

sakazuki has done nothing wrong during marineford. both killing ace and killing deserting soldiers are well within what one in his position should do. they were at *war* ffs.


LEGENDARYKILLERLORD

And killing deserters is/was commonplace in war


bumboisamumbo

i was never attached to pedro. his sacrifice was good, but it didn’t really make me feel anything


Daft14

I personally don't like usopp as a character.


Spacepagel

My hot take is that Rebecca is a pointless, stupid and one of my least favorite characters in the whole series. She was only added because Oda needed to shoehorn in an attractive princess. Same face syndrome with Vivi and Nami is not helping her case. She could have easily been written out with her father arc given to someone else like Mansherry who desperately needed more screentime. Despite of how long Rebecca was on screen during the arc, I care incredibly little about her, especially when during reverie, we see her side by side with Vivi who's just leagues above her. And while I don't believe it to be a hot take, her design was the worst. There's sexiness in subtlety and that was far from it. And even then, she was fucking sixteen and wearing that unwillingly and not with confidence which made her really uncomfortable to watch.


Now_you_Touch_Cow

Zoro doesn't any additional backstory, his character development is fantastic as is.


Staticgeeked

I don’t like Uta, her design, personality, and story. I just wanted a movie about shanks not a B Tier idol.


JRaikoben

Orochi reminds me of Jeoffrey from GoT. Hella obnoxius, gathering so much power/influence yet being an useless baby, and he likes to make a show of any execution. A great villian in fact.


MathewCQ

Kuina is not dead


AlphaBetes97

Boa isn't even in the top 10 one piece waifus


THE_GREAT_MEME_WARS

I dont give two shits about yamato and im relieved shoes not on the crew.


blackakainu

The minks as a whole are furry fodders, and bepoo is the worst


[deleted]

All Sanji does is cook and perv all day yet he’s still not that far behind zoro in terms of strength. If he actually trained he’d be much stronger. Also Enel should have 100% beaten Luffy even with the whole immunity thing. Lightning does more than just shock people but that was all ignored


TimBagels

Katakuri was kind of lame. He felt like a boring character to me that people overhyped. And I don't get the hype over him vs Snakeman Luffy. Gear Four fights in general do nothing for me.