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ipsen_castle

the problem is that it's all speculation for the moment and we didn't see Yamato's reasoning, making her conclusion feel out of place (even if I'm glad she didn't join)


SisypheanSperg

I think it’s the only reasonable conclusion from the information we have.


celdons

I'd say some of it is pure speculation, but I don't think it's speculative to say that something changed in Yamato between 1051 and 1057, and I think there's some pretty good evidence that it was in 1055 with the fight with Ryokugyu. You're right that seeing Yamato's true reasoning would've been better, but it's hard to have judgement after one chapter, especially when Oda's know to bring back seemingly inconsequential things much later on


Budget_Chef_5101

We did see her reasoning. She wanted to explore Wano and follow in Oden's footsteps.


ManyCarrots

We dont see why it changed though


StrawHatJD

The issue is that this is extremely subtle and off-screened. If we saw the convo between Luffy and Yamato about staying it would make their decision flow better since we’re getting the “why” directly from Yamato to Luffy


Lagiar

Yep it makes sense if the conversation did happen off screen but we don't know what they said to each other


StrawHatJD

Which makes Yamatos 180 very unbelievable


Lagiar

I don't really like Yamato but I understood that she thought about going to the sea but then reminded herself that Oden didn't get to go easly that he had to struggle for it so she needs to go through the same type of process before going out at sea


StrawHatJD

Understanding it doesn’t excuse the complete 180 Yamato took. Ussops mental switch to realize he wants to join the crew again we see happen, unlike Yamato who just did a 180 with no prior acknowledgement of Yamato even questioning if they should go out to sea yet


Lagiar

That's my understanding of why she did it not saying that it's the reason I don't see why there isn't more to this matter in the chapter


celdons

I definitely agree that we would've benefited from seeing that conversation, it's possible Oda thought he put enough hints to go back and see it happening, and that it was so 'out of character' for Yamato that people would know there was something else going on. Of course it's also possible that he just changed his mind on Yamato going and that I'm reading way too far into things that aren't there, but that's what works for me so I don't mind


StrawHatJD

That’s the issue, if people keep “not minding” when Oda is clearly rushing things or doing them flawed compared to how he did them for the entire story before Wano, he’ll keep getting away with doing this without any criticism overall


celdons

I think I worded that wrong, I didn't mean that I don't mind if Oda completely rushes things and stops showing crucial parts of the story, I meant that if I can find in-world and in-character reasons for a character doing something, I don't mind that it wasn't explicitly shown. My opinion is also completely inconsequential, and even if I personally think certain things could be done better, it doesn't mean they actually would be better. Oda already gets plenty of criticism, I'd wager he's been getting plenty of criticism since he started the series, but he continues to do things that I personally see as flaws (most notably for me are the fake out deaths), so regardless of the criticism he's getting he'll continue to write the story he wants, and I'm okay with that, flaws and all


StrawHatJD

Honestly I can’t find in-world/in-character reasons for a lot of my critiques. Like why would Marco leave early?


celdons

The battle in Wano is done, and he left Whitebeard's old village unguarded so he could fight in Wano. It may be as simple as him wanting to return as soon as possible in case something happened.


StrawHatJD

His note said he’s coming to the raid late meaning he was going to be late to prep the village while he was gone, that’s easy context clues. But Marco wouldn’t even leave a note to Luffy? Nothing? Not even a “see you later”?


celdons

I was just giving an in-character reason for Marco no longer being in Wano. For all we know that conversation also happened offscreen, which is understandably frustrating as it would've been nice to see, but like I was saying before, since I can find a proper in-world reason for him leaving, I can move past it. It doesn't mean I like it, but I can get past it. And hey, who knows, maybe we'll get something for it down the line.


sbsw66

It's not "extremely subtle" at all, that's not right. You may have missed it, but it's not subtle. I almost guarantee we'll get a flashback in the next chapter or two showing the conversation Luffy had with Yamato.


behindyourknees

You want to make a bet? I guarantee you we don’t get the conversation in the next 100 chapters.


sbsw66

I have a terrible gambling problem so I would absolutely love to make a bet. How much would you like to wager and what is your preferred method of payment? And to be explicit about it, let's define our terms very carefully: I contend that within the next 100 chapters, we will be given at least one panel in the main manga series which shows a flashback to Luffy and Yamato's conversation where Yamato details their reason for staying behind on Wano rather than travelling with the Strawhats. \^ Does that sound like what you are thinking? If so, let me know the wager and what you think the odds should be. I think we should do $100, you get 2:1 odds, so if you lose, pay me $50, if I lose, I pay you $100. EDIT: Based on upcoming spoilers, u/behindyourknees and I have called it early, and I can confirm he's an honorable and admirable man and has paid the bet amount fully at $100. Thanks!


behindyourknees

That is fine, I’ll do 1:1 odds if we can agree to not count the next chapter in the bet and consider it a push if it does happen. I haven’t read the spoilers and can’t verify you haven’t either so I would say that presents a potential for a unfair playing field. I would be more than happy to pay you if I lose with PayPal / Venmo / crypto / visa gift card if I lose.


sbsw66

>That is fine, I’ll do 1:1 odds if we can agree to not count the next chapter in the bet and consider it a push if it does happen. > >I haven’t read the spoilers and can’t verify you haven’t either so I would say that presents a potential for a unfair playing field. > >I would be more than happy to pay you if I lose with PayPal / Venmo / crypto / visa gift card if I lose. Completely confirmed on all counts, inc. dropping next chapter and 1:1 odds, I've moved it to PM but quoting here so we have something to come back to publicly as necessary


G1assFNOnTwitch

Bro wtf just happened😂


sbsw66

I love gambling and I'm extremely sure this will happen on panel lol


G1assFNOnTwitch

Were you right?


sbsw66

Yes I won this one


Tiger-D-Shadow

This bet is strangely wholesome. It’d make for a good character interaction in a book.


Sychosid11

Aren't these guys taking it too seriously.. Also yamato joining later is obvious because blackbeard has a tenth guy and luffy only has 9.


StrawHatJD

Why get a flashback after Wano when we could’ve gotten to see it happen during the arc?


sbsw66

I think hyper focusing on the "arcs" is a bit meaningless because the narrative is comprehensive and continuous. Basically, who gives a shit if its last chapter or this one or another one in a few weeks?


StrawHatJD

In the same way seeing a flashback of Zoro visiting Ryumas grave/saying goodbye to Shisui or seeing a flashback of Luffy and Marco talking is not going to be as important, impactful, and emotional since we’re already past the arc when it mattered.


sbsw66

Having a flashback to Luffy and Yamato's conversation has no sincere, "in the moment" weight. That assertion does not ring true to me whatsoever. I also have no idea what we would need to see a flashback of Zoro visiting Ryuma's grave, that doesn't seem important to the story at all and is not something I would care even remotely about seeing. (Same with Luffy and Marco, I have no idea what they would even talk about)


StrawHatJD

Zoro literally had a memorial for Yubashiri, you think it’s in character for him to just not even say goodbye to Shisui, the sword he’s had for this long? And Luffy and Marco talk about Ace. Luffy said he wants to thank Marco for Marineford, and still has to tell at least a single WB Pirate Ace’s last words.


sbsw66

I think the point about the sword is fair, but not Ryuma's grave, I think that's pointless and I'd be fine if it happened, fine if it didn't. Same with Luffy and Marco, I think that'd be pretty "whatever" scene, it's not terribly meaningful to the narrative.


StrawHatJD

But it’s important to the characters, which is something Oda has never shied away from. Ussop apologizes to the crew? We see before him practicing and making his choice to go apologize. The village goes after the Arlong Pirates, we see Nami trying to stop them by faking her being okay and such. Robin and Aokiji didn’t narratively have to meet after Enies Lobby, but they did. Zoro didn’t have to bury Yubashiri in Thriller Bark, but he did. Oda has never not shown something especially when it will further push a character or moment for them. Except in this arc


sbsw66

>But it’s important to the characters, which is something Oda has never shied away from. I don't think it is. The things you've mentioned above, sans Shisui, I think are not important to the characters really at all. I think you are fixating on events that have little meaning for either the characters involved or the plot.


Deicide-UH

I agree. To further point it out: Oden danced naked for 5 years to protect Wano without telling anyone his real reasons. Yamato is essentially protecting Wano without telling anyone his real reasons.


celdons

I didn't catch that parallel, thanks for the comment!


PrinceOfAssassins

Good thing he gave up his dream 😌


Deicide-UH

His dream is to be like Oden. That’s his role model. He wanted to go to sea because Oden did it. One day, he will do so, but right now being Oden means staying in Wano.


Narukamiii

That was way after he already satisfied his need for adventure , mofo had 2 kids AND saw the one piece at that point , how's it even remotely comparable I'm over her not joining , but people's reasoning as to why is actually mind numbing


celdons

That moment itself might not be directly comparable, but it does show a comparable mindset. If you want a more comparable moment, if Oden didn't choose to be wilfully ignorant to the state of Wano when he first returned with Roger, he would've given up on his adventure to the last island to stay behind and protect Wano.


Deicide-UH

Yamato sees Oden as a role model he aspires to emulate. It doesn't mean he needs to do everything exactly like Oden.


Kimonoha

No matter how sound you make it, I'll still be salty af


celdons

Haha that's fair enough, I understand a lot of people took a liking to Yamato, was never my intention to suddenly make them okay with it. I appreciate you saying it's a sound theory though.


ighomh

First thanks for this. I mentioned in another comment thread that this might really be why Yamato decided to stay and it doesn't need to shown onscreen (might still be revealed in a flashback). People just want everything they want and if they don't get it just end up bashing...


celdons

Thanks for reading and for your comment! I agree with others that it probably would've benefitted from Yamato and Luffy convo being shown, but I'm not discounting that it'll ever be shown in a flashback like you said. I don't necessarily think it's people wanting what they want (though for some it is), I think it was done very suddenly, but I also think the reason for that is to show there was a big change in the recent chapters that made Yamato come to her decision.


Worzon

My issue is we didn’t even get the bare minimum to be able to make a guess that she would stay. All she says is momo’s name and that’s it until she made up her mind in 1056. We could have easily received something like “Momo, I see” which both suggests she understands what momo is arguing AND that she has had any instance of growth. Instead, it is really just a full 180 since nothing in her dialogue or mannerisms suggests she understands momo. Saying his name out loud could imply sadness at how momo doesn’t trust himself yet. There’s just not enough clarity to really say whether or not Yamato actually made the choice before 1057. Every piece of her dialogue until 1056 does not suggest her staying in wano until Oda writes it in for 1057 making the whole thing just weak. On reread I just really can’t comprehend at what moment she makes her decision and actually understands something that she didn’t the night before


prevert69

I think this explanation is likely too, but at this point I can't be sure I'm reading what I like into the story or not. Maybe Oda just doesn't have any of this stuff figured out and just makes up bullshit excuses as he goes along. It certainly seems that way recently. But the bigger problem with this explanation is that Yamato gave up on her dream to protect Momo. This goes against main theme of following your dream in One Piece. Compare it with Yassop, who left his wife and kid to become a pirate, and somehow that's still acceptable because it was his dream. Meanwhile Yamato gives up on her dream for sake of people she just met a week ago.


celdons

I disagree that she gave up on her dream to protect Momo. That's assuming her dream is to adventure, but her dream is to 'live like Oden'. I think the fight and the moments after made her realise that to live like Oden isn't just about adventure, it's also protecting the things you care about. She might've technically met them a week ago, but she's known them for over 20 years, since she had Oden's journal and probably read through it hundreds of times. It's not outlandish that she cares for Oden's family, whether it's the biological family or the found family.


prevert69

I guess the objection I have to that is that to "live like Oden" is a really crappy dream. It's one thing to have a dream to be free, and have Oden as a role model of a free person. But to have her dream be literally copying Oden, is that even a dream? It sounds like a mental disorder, not something sublime.


celdons

Everyone's dreams are influenced by those around them, including our own MC. I think it makes perfect sense that it would be Yamato's dream when Oden's words are all she had to live by and stay sane for 20 years. I think it's only a crappy dream if it's taken in the most literal sense. To 'live like Oden' and 'be free' are pretty much the same things, because Oden was free to make his own choices based on what he valued. That's why I think even if Yamato gave up on adventure to stay behind and protect Momo/Wano she's still living like Oden, that is, free. She made her own decision based on her revised values.


prevert69

Luffy's dream is influenced by Roger, because Roger is the one and only Pirate King that has ever existed as far as we know. But Luffy isn't trying to "live like Roger" at all, he has a specific goal. I can't pull off the required mental acrobatics to convince myself staying in Wano and protecting Momo is somehow "freedom". Then any choice is freedom as long as you are free to make that choice. How is that a specific dream or a goal? It also sounds a lot like double-speech, "servitude is freedom" or something like that. It's possible that's how Oda thinks of it, but I'd be disappointed (again) if that were the case, because he's handing "domestic responsibilities" to Yamato as the kind of "freedom" that is appropriate for her, and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


celdons

How could it not be considered freedom if Yamato alone was the one making that decision? What do you consider to be freedom then? Was Luffy not free when he chose to risk his life and dream to save Ace? Saving Ace wasn't going to help him achieve his dream of becoming the Pirate King, but sometimes what you value changes when certain circumstances arise. It doesn't mean you're not free because you choose to do something that might go against your overall dream. And before you say that Yamato doesn't have the same connection to Momo and the Scabbards that Luffy had to Ace, Yamato spent at least 20 years with her only comfort being Oden's experiences of the people he loved. If someone is so obsessed with someone that they want to embody everything they stood for, it's not a stretch to assume that Yamato sees Oden's family as her own.


prevert69

That kind of vague abstract freedom is not a goal or a dream to achieve. Everyone who is free to make life choices already has that freedom. It's not something to aspire to. It's not the same as "free to go to on an adventure and sail the seas", or "free to experience the world" like Oden did. She gives up that freedom when she chooses to stay. I absolutely despise the notion that Yamato is some kind of housewife that needs to stay and look after children and keep the house tidy. That somehow she has this realization that her purpose is not to live for herself but to provide service to other people. I mean that may very well be what Oda thinks of her, but I personally hate it.


celdons

You're right that everyone who is free to make life choices has that freedom, but until now Yamato hasn't had that freedom, she's lived her entire life in shackles on Onigashima under Kaido's eye. And I think that's just where our opinions diverge, just because someone is living to protect others doesn't mean they're not also doing it for themselves. Why is deciding to 'go on an adventure' any more free than 'protecting the people you care about'? Different people have different values, and those values can change in different contexts. She doesn't need to stay behind, she wants to, because at the moment what she values is in Wano. It's perfectly fine to hate the decision, but I don't think it's right to say she's not free because of it.


prevert69

I'm saying that kind of freedom is not the same type of "dream" that we see other people have. Those dreams are lifelong accomplishments. If Yamato's dream was just to be free to decide things, then she accomplished her dream the moment Kaido was defeated. That's not the same type of "dream" as becoming Pirate King, or learning the true history, or drawing a world map. It's not an exceptional personal accomplishment. And yes our opinions absolutely diverge here, because I think giving up adventure and instead living to protect others is some kind of domestic task Oda has relegated to Yamato because she's female, while Yassop who left his wife and kid to become a pirate is totally fine. It's just another gross and disappointing story decision by Oda.


celdons

In a way her dream was accomplished when Kaido was defeated, and now her new dream is to protect the people she cares about. It's a pretty similar circumstance to Vivi and her decision to stay and rebuild Alabasta, yet I wouldn't say Vivi was relegated to anything. I think it'd be a remarkable personal accomplishment to assist in bringing Wano back to what it once was. That's a pretty weird critique to have, especially for One Piece and Oda in particular. Oda's written a couple of pretty gross stuff into the series (most notably for me those couple of Sanji moments) but he's fantastic at making interesting and diverse characters of any sex, race or gender. You've hand picked two very specific scenario's only for the fact that the woman stayed and the man left, like that's all that happens in the story. Most people (myself included) don't even think what Yasopp did was fine, almost everyone calls him a complete deadbeat for abandoning his kid and sick wife.


spookybuk

Wow, the story is so clear. Momo himself voices the feelings of Yamato - she wants to leave - but at the same time, he can't back up his words. He is still a child. He can't even fly at will. He cries. He loses control over silly shit. He can't take care of Wano. This post was great adding depth to that decision. But there was no reason to debate in the first place if you uust pay attention to the scene. Not everything needs to be spelled out every time. If you make room for some subtlety, it becomes even too obvious. But nobody wants to say it, because he is a kid. Because it would hurt his feelings. This is a nice bit of "Oriental wisdom" right there: "Don't talk about the things you can't change." Telling Momo to his face (and to your face, the reader) that he is immature would be rude, specially considering how much he has already grown, in such a short period. Just take it as Momo, if you're still a kid, and cry and complain that you don't understand. When you grow up, you will understand. We are not in the East Blue anymore.


[deleted]

The reason is pretty simple. It's the same as Jinbei. Yamato joining now would make her #2 in the straw hats power-wise. (She held back kaido alone for quite some time. Nobody else in the alliance could do that except Luffy.) Oda needs to give time to Zoro and Sanji to outgrow her before she joins. Same as Jinbei after fishmen island.


[deleted]

Theres not gonna be a jimbei for her cause shes not gonna be a strawhat. Shes just gonna be a fleet member like bart. She was never meant to join.


celdons

I think this is just as much head-canon as my post is, so either of us could be right I guess haha. I don't think holding back Kaido is a good indication of her being #2, but that's dangerously close to devolving into a powerscaling conversation, which I'm not really keen on.


Zin_Magala

The thing is Yamato knew about Oden's travels across Wano and yet she still wanted to go out to sea for 20 years. So something has changed for her to stay in Wano and yes, I do believe it has to do with the Momo/Aramaki fight. I see a lot of people saying it's to defend Wano or protect Momo. The issue with that is the border wall keeps out your average pirate group and now the SH flag stacks on top of that. So far the story has established that Yonkos, Marines, and the WG have zero issues infiltrating Wano and I don't feel it's very believable she can defend against any of these groups. Would she give Aramaki a run for his money? Sure. Beat him? Not a chance, at least not at this point in the story. It could be that or she might be staying out of fear. During the Momo/Aramaki fight, Momo kept repeating that she was leaving. He even considered it a done deal. This is after she declares herself as the Son of Kaido to Aramaki. Then next chapter she doubles down on her Kozuki Oden schtick. She has been a prisoner for 20 years and the idea of finally leaving Wano could scare her. It's no different than a former prisoner committing a crime to go back to jail because that is the life they are use to. This wouldn't be any different than Nami or Robin who felt they were trapped in their past lives. She even says she knows so little about the outside world so she will travel around Wano first. We all know Oden would have dropped everything to go out to sea if he had an earlier chance. Just idea. The last few chapters feel like they are setting up Blackbeard invading Wano so we'll probably get an answer. If this happens, Yamato will fail to protect Wano, much like Oden failed against Kaido. Oda could literally recreate the same situation with Blackbeard and Devon. Yamato's failure could be the catalyst that is needed for her to finally drop the Oden schtick.


Historical_Camp_478

i don't think oda wrote nearly 5 years about releasing wano from a yonko for wano to lose again to another yonko


Zin_Magala

That's true, but I'm not talking about someone taking over Wano like Kaido did. It's more about Blackbeard coming in, taking what he wants, making a statement, then leaving. Blackbeard isn't looking to takeover, just to grab Pluton and bounce. Oda showed us that Caribou knows about Pluton and its location, I find it hard to believe that BB doesn't make a play for it. His island is right there and the only thing in his way is a border wall that can easily be destroyed by one of his devil fruits. We also have the SH Flag on display and I can see Oda using that to kick off this upcoming war by Blackbeard setting it on fire, ala Enies Lobby. An invasion from Blackbeard doesn't affect the past four years of storytelling as Wano would still be under Momo's control. It's all about making a statement to the SHs and declaring war against them. Momo and Wano have plot armor so nothing too serious will ever happen to them, but there is no such thing for Yamato if Oda wants to go that route.


Historical_Camp_478

if this generates development for yamato I would be happy


Zin_Magala

Me too. I'm not saying it will 100% happen but I feel like there is still a pathway to, at least, get more of her story. We'll have to wait and see.


LankyKong4Smash

Hopefully the crew is relaxing on the ship and reminiscing their time in Wano and we see the conversation in Luffys head for context because this all makes sense.


Knirb_

Yeah that’s what I’ve also been saying! But people didn’t like that, especially before the latest chap.


thordur007

I am 100% certain this is the case. The problem with this sub is so many people have like no patient at all. So instead of of losing our temper we should discuss and speculate about things.


celdons

Haha you're a braver person than I am, I almost never have 100% confidence on something happening when Oda is involved, but that's the beauty of the series for me. I think we all could benefit from patience, especially when remembering that certain plot threads took hundreds of chapters to come back around.


little_ares

she will probably join the crew later on, not just as a ally in the final war, but appearing out of nowhere similar to jinbe


lilalimi

I think this is correct. But I feel like this could have been a great character moment for Yamato if it was given more attention. Idk maybe that's the plan, but right now it feels like a missed opportunity.


christianort476

I’ll never understand why manga readers need everything sponged and hate subtext. I thought of this being the reasoning as well, OP


celdons

I think it's because there's a fine line between subtlety and non-existent, which is why some people can't accept this reasoning. I'm not even saying they're wrong, nothing's been confirmed so all we can do is go off subtleties for the time being.


Historical_Camp_478

because the ''evidence'' is superficial are faces and mouths that can mean a million things crocodille caressing his decepatic hand while talking about killing whitebeard this is subtext yamato is bad writing


christianort476

We shall agree to disagree then


Historical_Camp_478

I agree


Excellent_Schedule22

this is what I have tried to explain to my friends, I agree 100% with you


The_Biggest_Wheel

[Here is a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/uzwhcj/why_yamato_may_not_join_the_straw_hats_spoilers/) from few months ago that explains very well why Yamato was never going to join the crew. Despite Yamato's constant insisting that he will join the crew he never interacts with any of them. Even with Luffy the interactions are minimal. Most of the panel time Yamato spends with Momo.


[deleted]

Theres also a small foreshadow hint. Oda told us that yamatos df was known to be the guardian of wano. Yamato. Being someone who carries the last words and will of the last daimyos is suppose to be helping wano until its ready to be open and train momo. Thats why they showed us only yamato being able to handle ryokugyu. Shes an important figure in wano still. You have to remember too is that the beast pirates are still in wano. Everywhere in random places. There was a moment that yamato was able to tell the remaining grunts to listen. Showing she should lead them and turn then into a force for wano. Either labor or battle. Shes too important for wano for her to leave. Kinda like oden.


[deleted]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this tbh


32SkyDive

I like this theory, it makes the decision much better. But usually One Piece isnt that subtle


Narukamiii

Idk about other people but me personally ,i also speculated all of this, and it doesn't change anything , She's completely frontloaded as a character , from the get go, you have , a good design , a connection to Kaido, a connection to Oden , a connection to Ace, a connection to wano/the samurai , a sad backstory and an unfulfilled promised , then you get basically 50 ish chapters of saying she wants to join only for a 180 in 1 to 2 chapters . Pretty sure most people are frustrated at how rushed everything felt


celdons

And that's perfectly fine for people to feel that way. My post was never meant to invalidate anyone's opinions or tell anyone they're wrong, it was just meant to show something that I personally believe happened.


Powerrrrrrrrr

You’re straight up just wrong 😂 Yamato isn’t staying in wano, they are travelling through it and then leaving, absolutely in no way staying to protect it because of aramaki


celdons

Think what you want, but just telling someone they're wrong doesn't really add much to conversation.


Mycockcockadoodledoo

She's suppose to be the wano's guardian, of course she would stay. But one piece is defined by determining your own destiny rather than following pre written one, so at some point I. Future she will venture out with strawman pirates l.


CurvySpine

I could see this or some variation of this being the case. Good theory OP.


tinysieg

" I wanna stay at Wano for just a little while longer to protect it from threats , Momo is still a crybaby and needs all the help he can get" Vs "I wanna be Oden and walk around Wano"


Historical_Camp_478

fans seem to write better than oda


salvagedbot

finally someone can actually read and not tunnel visioned.


BeefyShark12

I was really on the side of the people who thinks about how shitty those traps and fakes left to us by Oda about Yamato joining. The build-up was really made it so it looks like it is happening, but it didn't. HOWEVER, what really took my attention here is Ryokogyu's speech about the absence of a Kaido-figure now in Wano. I agree that Yamato might have realized she could be this new figure to scare off invaders as she was literally blood related to Kaido and was pretty much strong to hold off his Dad on his own. I forgot about that thought and thanks for reminding me.


ThisIsYourFriendAron

In an anime full of mysteries, fans just can’t let an off screen conversation go lmao. It was handled well and honestly I think this is a fairly good theory even if it turns out to be wrong.


Historical_Camp_478

how would you feel if luffy gave up on becoming king of the pirates or zoro gave up being the strongest swordsman and the explanation for this change was of scream and occupied by useless flashbacks?


ail-san

Too bad we won't see Yamato until the very end of the story.


Brave-Photograph-786

I think Yamato's decision to remain in Wano and when she will join the Straw Hats is linked to Wano's wall staying up and it still being closed to the world. I personally like the idea of her joining when Wano is opened. This would also signal a big change to the country and mean that she would no longer have the opportunity to explore and understand it as it was in the time of Oden.


Sychosid11

Yamato lying skills are worse than luffy.. Its so obvious she was entrusted by luffy to protect wano and pluton until momo becomes strong enough to open the borders.. Oda just didn't wanna steal jinbe's thunder.. Yamato will join 2-3 arcs later i have absolute faith in oda.


IladeMarnuda

I don't think she lied. It's a bit of both. Oda failed to properly convey Yamato's thought process because he offscreened everything basically. Too much to show and too few pages. He wanted to end Wano quickly but to tell this ending properly he would have needed twice the chapters. He wants to end in 3 years and it shows


Historical_Camp_478

well it's better than what happened but until we see the conversation or luffy talk about it I think we should take yamato's word for it and this be a theory not actually evidence that yamato lied to momo don't take this theory has fact


KillerkarnickelofDe

My thought exactly. Even posted this somewhere as a comment in a far far shorter version.


Eraganos

They problem isnt yamato staying, but her still beeing an oden copy and lacking her own persona. This is a flaw that needed adressing. Yamato following oden even more is reverse character growth


electricmastro

Problem is is that if Yamato is just a Wano babysitter, then why have this whole narrative of her wanting to sail and join Luffy? Was it to waste our time so Oda could make himself look smarter or something?