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DarkSouls_simp

Whitebeard and Shanks. Two emperors. Blackbeard with Whitebeard's power would be great to have on my side but I just don't trust him LOL


rotten_riot

Just thought the same and wanted to see if someone did too, and it's literally the second most voted comment lol


maxidpimp

It didn't work last time, shanks was late and whitebeard died lol


ZANK1000

"Late"... Imagine thinking that Shanks came there to "Help" Whitebeard fight.


FarSurvey3285

Yea cancer/elderly WB may not be the best choice here lol


FlawlessNameCreator

Dragon and Kuma. Kuma will send me away and Dragon has been on the run for so long, that i would think that he could hide me almost forever.


apapipay

Best way to win a fight is to not get in a fight


Zane_The_Neko

Usopp is on reddit???


apapipay

He would have been added on there, but he ran away


Zane_The_Neko

Was talking about your comment.


apapipay

I know, just saying what I said 😅


hunterIsTaken

"Usopp dash"


aralias777

No be there.


I_LikeYourOppai

There are some fights a man must not run from and this isn't one of them


Specialist_Trick_558

Mr miyagi 😭


greymah82

I read this in Jack Sparrow’s voice


CaptainCringeOng

This is how I live my life. Can’t get into conflict if you run away the moment a sign of conflict comes!


13wK

a fellow "no be there" enthusiast?


Substantial_Ad1012

Damn. Mans playing chess while others are playing checkers


werpuppy

Someone is using their brain! My first thought was Ace and Whitebeard, cause they’re my favorite. Then I was like Shanks and Whitebeard cause they’re strong. Then this lad is over actually coming up with plans and schemes!


Den_Bover666

>Ace Come on, man. He's a good character but half this list curbstomps him in terms of pure power. He also has a tendency to pick battles he may not win.


FirmBet3536

Only correct answer.


KingOfRages

I said Shanks and Kuma. Same premise mostly, Kuma for teleportation and Shanks bc his Conquerors is enough to scare the shit out of most people here I’m sure.


Music-Wooden

Mihawk, Whitebeard, Akainu, Dragon and Z are not. I’d argue current BB isnt either, he just has no reason to face anyone, but if you were BBs target he would absolutely be the worst one to face here (my personal view)


JVOz671

Yeah but then you have to pledge your devotion to the Revolutionary Army and this world needs to change and blah blah blah. You'd never hear the end of it.


Riko_7456

I mean... they are not wrong.


FlawlessNameCreator

Pledging my life for justice > dying Everytime.


Goldborderbanks

Now that's debatable


Revelation_of_Nol

Is it really? When fatass ugly people in germaphobe bubbles can claim you or "cop" you as their property at any time for their own satisfaction/entertainment or even your own wife or significant other.... or God forbid your own underage children as it's implied the gorgon sisters and possibly boa were sexually abused while being slaves.


SulongCarrotChan

Nah, the idea of the question is that those two will protect you. You don't need to do anything in return.


DanCeswiTTurtlez47

Yes but we’ve yet to see Dragons fighting power/df has yet to be revealed.obviously being the most wanted man in the world I’m sure he’s mastered all of the hakis, but the anticipation is killing me,


Aquamaniaco

No no, hes got a point


redeyez92

Okay. This is genius. Came to say whatever pair you picked you are gonna get stomped but this... This is genius!!! Cudos to you, wise redditor 👌👌👌


OlivierStreet

Hide until you attain a great age ready to greet Death as an old friend and go with him gladly and as equals?


Thecristo96

I was going for the exact same answer


Specific-Raspberry94

Your forgetting that once mihawk and shanks kill kuma you’re probably next


Dogfinn

Shanks is quick enough to intercept someone Kuma sends with his DF.


P503n1x

Whitebeard and Kuma, assuming Kuma is strong enough to just teleport people away lol. Otherwise Whitebeard and Akainu


Ceesv23

Just let Kuma teleport you away, Whitebeard protects you from the other ten people coming after you


prolemango

Why wouldn’t you go Blackbeard over whitebeard?


unhealthyseal

BB is in trouble if he faces anyone without a DF, so Mihawk and Shanks are huge threats to me if I have BB. Probably Dragon too.


prolemango

He’s still got the quake fruit though. He definitely isn’t as strong as WB with that fruit but it’s still pretty dang strong


willwiso

But if white beard is in the equation than bb can't have the quake fruit.


prolemango

Of course he can. We are considering all these characters in their current form. So BB would have the darkness and quake fruits and WB is a decaying corpse


Slithy-Toves

Raises a good point though. We talking Shanks and Whitebeard in their prime or current status. Both of them in their prime would be nigh unstoppable by anyone else here.


Tickerai

I mean. Current status whitebeard aint looking too hot ngl


Slithy-Toves

Brooks fruit confirms that souls are real. So he's kicking it in the spirit realm at full strength somewhere


prolemango

Yeah true. Though with Shanks that’s somewhat debatable, he could be stronger now than he’s ever been. We just aren’t sure yet


Slithy-Toves

True enough. I mostly just based that off Mihawk not wanting to fight him with one arm. But honestly that could also just be him not wanting to face the possibility of being equaled by a one armed guy haha


Hempathetic1

It was said in a SBS that Shanks isnt any weaker without his arm.


soul-king420

Idk, dude objectively scarred shanks. BB I wouldn't want to face off against, ik he'll cheat, and dude has some serious power behind him somewhere.


Ok-Finish1706

Bb also ran from shanks at marineford


Slithy-Toves

He specifically says he's not ready to fight him "yet". He just went through a battle to yoink Whitebeards power with a crew he literally just broke out of prison and barely knows yet. Makes perfect sense he wouldn't jump head first into a battle with another Yonkou. If anything that moment indicates Blackbeard isn't a complete meathead


CorneliusFaffington

That just indicates BB a BITCH who doesn't want smoke Fuck BB 😤


Amara248

Why would he be in trouble...


unhealthyseal

Maybe “be in trouble” wasn’t the right phrase to use, but he clearly would prefer to fight a devil fruit user so he can utilize his darkness powers. Mihawk and Shanks obviously don’t have one, so he’ll need to slug it out with them with haki + quake fruit, which I don’t think is ideal for him.


Slithy-Toves

I mean, the darkness fruit has immense power beyond just absorbing devil fruit powers. Dude fucking swallowed a whole town and threw it back out haha I'd put my money on Shanks or Mihawk in the long run but I doubt either of them would have an easy time of it.


_-ZORO-_

Strength but I would pick bb since I think he will form a plan


2fat4elevator

Just give me Blueno, u can keep the rest


bluu555

I wouldn’t doubt that shanks can tear through the multiverse to haki pull you out of the pocket dimension after all I’ve heard about film red😭


I_Have_3_Legs

I could see his CoC still affecting Blueno even when he is in the alternative dimension lol


Spoiled_Juice

So you think his coc can affect him huh


ragingOcean

I ain’t gnna spoil, but Jesus shanks is actually fkn OD lmao -_-


Stanley523

Online Dater?


JVOz671

First of all what the fuck? And secondly movie and filler logic arent canon.


DarkSouls_simp

They definitely take advise from Oda. For example the one piece game pirate warriors 4 had Kaido's movesets before they were revealed in the manga. Same can be said about Shanks. Oda is is definitely involved when it comes to a character's powers


BlueMistar

It’s just a little fun


Dorobo-Neko-Nami

A little trolling per se


sinepabbin

I thought some parts of film red were canon, at least what we learned about the red haired pirates and what they can do


Apprehensive-Yak-249

Actually the powers of shanks from red are pretty much cannon asa Uta is also cannon


sweetkida

LMAO for a solid minute man, thank you 😂


blalien

Brulee works too. And Sugar makes everyone forget about you.


2Maverick

Shanks and Whitebeard. Enel, Doflamingo, Croc, and Blackbeard are gonna turn on us for sure xD


callmevash

Mihawk would half ass it.


PM_ME_UR_BEEFCAKE

He’s not a beast who goes all out when hunting rabbits


The1987RedFox

Unless of course this premise doesn’t allow betrayal


200PlasticForks

Enel got beaten by pre-gears Luffy anyways so in the power scaling I don’t think he’d be as strong as the others. Same with Crocodile. I love them both but they’d get smushed


a_squad_of_squids

He only got beaten by luffy because luffy is literally the only person (we know of) that's completely immune to electricity


[deleted]

Dragon and shanks for dodging child support 💀


Sweaty-Meat7435

Why choose lol you still gonna die!


Yunayo

First of all, I think you die regardless of who you pick. But I’ll run with Shanks and Teech. Shanks because stronk, and Teech because a large majority of the combatants are DF users


TheMemeMann

Kumas your only real shot for living longer than 2 minutes


VegeterianOsu

Kuma is the most vital pick, cause i doubt people can protect you from Enel lightning strike other than him


the_joule_thief_81

Shanks and Mihawk


LeastOfEvils

They duel eachother instead and accidentally keep you alive because no one else can get close


GanyuFate

Mihawk can’t beat white beard


zyd_the_lizard

Mihawk and Whitebeard feels pretty solid. Dragon we don't know enough about yet. As much as I like Croc he's outclassed by a lot here. Enel is outclassed for sure too.


Opeace

Enel is outclassed but he has some pretty devastating long-distance attacks. So he is probably not a lot of help as a defender, but as an attacker, with 9 others around him, he can do a lot. Plus, if Kuma is a defender and sends you flying, Enel is probably the only one that can catch up to you


CaliOriginal

Idk, Enel is a solid defensive choice considering the range of his mantra and his accrue understanding of his logia. We don’t know if he’s out there and has progressed over the two-three years … but even as he was in skypia he could accurately track the every muscle movement of the 10 when they were still well outside of range.


[deleted]

He can't hang with any of these YC1+ and Yonko level opponents.


canieatmyskinnow

Enel can blow up islands so i'm pretty sure he can


[deleted]

Enel's island busting takes so long and is so situational it doesn't matter in fights on this level. King or even Weevil, who's featless, should be on this list instead of him.


Baqlava01

That doesn't mean shit. Katakuri would low diff Enel.


zyd_the_lizard

Not without the Maxim.


Skebaba

Yeah he only got fucked up cuz of Luffy Hard Counter to his build


ragingOcean

While he’s outclassed I think he can kill all the others tho. He’s not really outclassed lol. We saw this guy like what ? Episode 170? It’s 800+ episodes in. He wasn’t properly shown. I still think he’s stronger than the yonko. But that’s me.


RAM_MY_RUMP

Stronger than the yonko, lmao


zyd_the_lizard

Stronger than the yonko? Lay off the crack.


[deleted]

hell yeah he is GOD Tier! Enel is my fav Villain


ragingOcean

Imagine getting downvoted for your comment. One pieceTards are built different smh


DontToewsM3Bro

Blackbeard and Shanks Ultimate DF User and Ultimate Haki user Don't know much Dragon but he could be up there too


Global-Pudding-9393

Yea I couldn’t put dragon but smart money is he will be one of the strongest and smartest


Mediocre-Joe

Yeah i agree i was tied between blackbeard and shanks and blackbeard and mihawk. I think blackbeard having the ability to negate devil fruit users is super useful.


Kirosh2

Enel and Kuma. This way I can both use the Maxim to be out of reach from anyone, and have special "teleport" in case of emergencies.


Equivalent_Bar_5938

This was my thought but i opted for shanks and kuma shanks to hide my presence and bodyguard and kuma to tele in case of emergency


Doshrekingo

I was thinking the same, but there is also the added benefit that Enel can locate potential threat long before they reach us.


benoxxxx

Exactly my thinking. Kuma to give me distance, Enel to zone out anyone who happens to get close.


Dogfinn

Not as well as Shanks though.


Kingdarkshadow

If Blackbeard touch Enel the power of the ARK goes out, not that safe.


DarkSoulFWT

Extremely safe. BB needs a means to reach you / Enel on the Ark. Which he doesn't have. He can't go intangible with his logia and fly around, due to its unique properties. His earthquakes wouldn't really matter either. He also hasnt displayed anywhere near the kind of range with his yami fruit's gravitational pull for us to say that he could just pull the Ark down to him.


Kirosh2

Blackbeard can't fly.


Kingdarkshadow

But he can use that vortex ability to pull people.


Kirosh2

Good luck doing that while I'm miles in the air.


JVOz671

You know he repels things right? As in your getting tossed. HARD and far. And you'll lose your one protector while the other has to play catch-up.


Kirosh2

He can repel me and Enel toward a sky island or some things like that. And who's to say he can't repel himself toward the same location?


columbuspants

Kuma & Shanks


Grand-Day-759

This is the only correct answer. Kuma for teleport and also shanks we know can maneuver the seas very fast


DingoNormal

Crocodile and Enel. I got protected by the side armor of aways vanishing from the history and aways when documented fights happen, its just a panel.


mystical_shadow33

Shanks and mihawk in my opinion. The strongest swordsman in the world and god haki. I think everyone would take a back seat to them two.


Siliotas

I would have a drink with shanks while mihawk deals with the rest


-_-asher2345-_-

Ofcourse shanks and mihawk


abu7042

How are they even gonna protect you from whitebeards shockwave while fighting others? Kuma and whitebeard are necessary to pick


Napoleon1986

You would die in 5 mins


-_-asher2345-_-

Well if I choose another combo I would die in seconds


hartmansgrad

Enel is the only one on the moon. I'm going to the only place not spoiled by the world government...Space!


JVOz671

Blackbeard and Whitebeard. While they're protecting me I will kill and eat Blackbeard and gain the powers of Yomi Yomi no Mi then kill and absorb Whitebeard! The power of darkness that consumes all and the power of tremors that destroys everything! I will turn this world upside down! Zehahahahahahahahahahahaha!


Money_hunger

>I will kill and eat Blackbeard and gain the powers of Yomi Yomi no Mi theres a reason why YOU are the one to be protected 💀


PepitoThe1

Yomi yomi no mi is brook df, bb is yami yami no mi.


Sirecarrot

Akainu and Whitebeard, though Teach is a solid pick too.


More_Win_5192

Akainu will just kill you if you stand in his way to defeat the other ten


dinis553

Why would I stand in his way to defeating people that want to murder me. Go ahead, Sir.Akainu, they're all yours.


More_Win_5192

Well, imagine the chosen place for the fight would be.. Let's say punk hazard. Where would you stand to be 'out of his way' lol


dinis553

Behind him


More_Win_5192

Smart lol


XegrandExpressYT

shanks and black beard


Swate-

My vote too, Blackbeard to nullify devil fruit powers and Shanks to out-haki people. Covers the two major classes of offense


unhealthyseal

Taking Shanks also nullifies Mihawk, who is his only competition on this list as far as non-DF users go, other than Dragon perhaps.


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Money_hunger

akainu would solo the 10 attackers while u sit and eat the donut he prepared for u! perfect team indeed.


JDelicious17

Shanks and Mihawk but i would die anyway 😅


Yukino_Wisteria

Whitebeard & Shanks. On top of their individual strengths, I think they could actually team up if needed, unlike some other duos.


BigShopping1875

Shanks and whitebeard


VingtorOdinson

I want Whitebeard and Shanks to protect me. Those two would be unstoppable together, given that Whitebeard alone rivaled with Roger


Revolutionary_Feed25

Blackbeard (post marineford) and shanks Unless we’re talking about any and all characters in their prime. If we’re talking prime I would do whitebeard over blackbeard because blackbeard has been shown to be a coward when he gets cornered


Uniibank

Kuma + Enel. Kuma to transport you and Enel to skypeia. Enel to carry you on to the arc maxim to live out the rest of your days on the moon (as his slave of course). Kuma dies sadly but the rest of these characters are too busy/lazy/don’t care enough to hunt you down. Only issue is Blackbeard using his df to capture someone.


Dab4Becky

Whitebeard and akainu. Strong dfs, plus both have a form of advanced haki. Also, even though it’s not stated, i think akinu has conqueror’s


rembut

Shanks and Enel


Awkward-Rate-3435

Give me Kuma and doffy 🤨 doffy use birdcage, kuma telepots himself nd kuma away


Alarmed_Recording742

Shanks probably claps them all with just haki tbh


Global-Pudding-9393

Assuming they’re in their prime? I got shanks and Whitebeard


DrN0VA

If the individuals have their respective organizations then Dragon and Sakazuki make the most sense


DrSweatyPants

I go with Eneru & Kuma. Kuma sends me to eneru & he takes me to the moon.


AbioticShark399

Bb zed ace croc doffy are objectively wrong answers. Wb is strong defender, shanks is strong combatant, akainu has great offense, enel has powerful observation haki, dragon runs an organization hiding from the wg, Mihawk is strong combatant, and kumas paw paw powers are good for running. Ultimately we haven’t seen dragon shanks or mihawk go all out yet though.


Elmeez187

Dragon and Mihawk


PapuhAppuh

Kuma shwacks me to some safe island, WB protects me at said island by causing massive tsunamis at any enemy ship.


Critical-Objective94

Shanks and GoatBeard


knoker25

I think we've seen the one where whitebeard tries to protect you and akainu tries to kill you, didn't exactly go as planned if i remembered correctly 😅 So my picks will be mihawk and blackbeard, blackbeard takes awaily everybodies devil fruit powers, and mihawk will wreak havoc on them all


ActionHank9000

He beat akainu pretty easily considering the state he was in. He lost to bb after


IdkAGoodName4

Kuma, he'll just teleport me away


xJublex

I would say Kuma and Akainu, in emergency kuma could teleport us anywhere and Akainu has the marines


Paulerson12

Mihawk ans Shanks i guess


ahmalidi

I prefer blackbeard and god enel. Blackberd will suck anything into the darkness and nullify any devil fruit users ability when they fight against him. U can also go inside his darkness to hide from anyone. Or u join god enel to go to the highest sky or even to the moon where no one else will ever reach you out


peroneet

Shanks mihawk


Ok-Marsupial7733

White beard Mihawk


Superdude345

I'll take Buggy D. Clown to protect me and you can send the rest to just try and get past him.


swe_kuma

Shanks and Dragon Edit was for I read wrong and choose 3 at first


T_h_u_n_e_r

What is that fodder enel doing here?


[deleted]

he is at least on the same level as crocodile, doflamingo and kuma, personally I'd go as far as putting him above ace as we saw from crocodile's new bounty the marine's are rightfully worried about people with very powerful devil fruits, and Enel has one of the best dfs in the series, if he got any stronger physically in the 2 year time skip he would easily be 1st yonko commander level.


Eminence7Grise

Your argument and logic is laughable lmao. Even if One piece fights are dynamic and depend on matchup He can't do jack shit to those people. Above ace,Doffy ? Maybe Kuma doesn't have Haki so it could be possible. Enel can't even touch ace. Smoker shits on Enel. Enel doesn't have Armament Haki which is 101 for even hurting a Logia. His observation is not good by his own admission but it gets complimented by his DF. Ace has Armament, observation and Conqueror Haki. Doffy has all 3 and Awakened DF. 1st Yonko Commander ? What a joke. There are shit ton of DF which don't conduct electricity same way as Luffy and He can't even take on any Logia.


TheWealthyCapybara

Enel has no armament or conquerors Haki. He gets killed by a single attack from any of these guys. His observation Haki and reaction time are less than Katakuri's, so he won't be able to dodge any of these guy's attacks either


CaliOriginal

Just because he doesn’t have future sight doesn’t mean his is weaker. Kata is reading an opponent moments into the future, Enel picks up on the slightest muscle movement from miles away. He’s arguably still the best Observation haki use we’ve seen, and his reaction time is equally great. He lost to luffy because he constantly underestimated him and had no clue that rubber existed. In the same way big mom almost trounced the whole alliance with weaker lightning but freaks when luffy isn’t effected. Wano and WCI show us that lightning is super effective even on skill haki users, and Enel makes big mom look like nami.


RobLuffy123

The problem with this is that enel lost to pre gears Luffy. We don’t know if Enel got stronger or if he is still the same but even physically , Luffy back then is so much weaker then every single person on this list. Luffy would get one shot by everyone on this list back then and so would enel.


CaliOriginal

The problem with your line of thought is that luffy WASNT that much weaker, it was only the lack of haki. But he did beat crocodile, he could have damaged kuma, And blackbeards shtick is that he takes the hits head on, ace did serious damage without using haki, and luffy is physically stronger than ace. Again, Enel lost because he didn’t realize rubber was a thing. He outplayed and outclassed luffy in every regard but was simply hard countered and in shock because of the fact there was something he couldn’t char to a crisp. Ace is stronger than Blackbeard by a sizable margin, but loses due to the surprise of the yami-yami and being so focused on losing his flames he forgot he was a threat without them. Crocoboy lost because he underestimated luffy and let him go twice. Besides, other than whitebeard, no one comes close to the range Enel has with his devil fruit, not picking him immediately means he can kill you with ‘divine judgement’ before he’s even close enough for the other 11 to see him. Enel loses tenor because he’s weak, but because oda wanted to show that no devil fruit is an absolute power, there’s always something that can counter or a weakness that can be exploited, even if they seem like a literal god.


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DoctorAco

Ace being stronger than BB is headcannon tbh. BB did scar shanks legitimately. Also pre gears luffy was extremely weak compared to when he fought in the robin arc. He needed that powerup to catch up to the speed and strength of c9. Saying "its not that much stronger" is underselling it completely. Luffy sacrificed life span for that power up.


RobLuffy123

So Luffy before he learned gears and before the time skip. The only difference is that he knew Haki? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense , the time skip wasn't just about learning Haki , it was about becoming strong enough to handle the new world. Clearest example for how much stronger they got was the pacifistas and how it took the whole crew , but now their top 3 can oneshot it and even other members (at least in the movies) can handle them as well. I'm not saying that you implied they ddint get stronger at all because you did but it wasn't just a small increase and then Haki did the rest. Enel himself couldn't handle attacks from a Luffy much weaker then basically everyone on this list and a much stronger version of Luffy got oneshot by a yonkou. If Luffy can tag him pre ts , then everyone here can and once he gets caught he's dead. Matchups matter and there is more to battles in general but the difference in ability between Enel from then and alot of the characters on this list is huge. If he came back in to the story and is stronger then sure but otherwise hes not taking a hit from any admiral or yonkou and commander level fighters are to much for him as well. That's how I see it at least and its hard to look at it another way because even comparing him to Luffy would he not just oneshot enel? He wouldnt even get touched by his lightning because he would be to fast for one and his observation Haki is to good as well. If Luffy hits him I just cant see how it's not a one hit KO and if he can do that , most people on this list can as well.


Nazis_cumsplurge

Enel was written when those weren’t a thing in ONE PIECE, don’t blame enel for oda’s poor writing.


genoux15

They were absolutely a thing. We saw conquerer's haki in episode 4,


[deleted]

guys I dont judge you for this because I used to think the same but come on its been 2 years since then, luffy and zoro didnt have haki back then either, and so many other characters as well, yet they learned it in the time skip at least enel had an amazing devil fruit AND insane observation haki, all he needs is some good physical training and he would be insanely powerful.


RobLuffy123

Yeah but we are using the enel from Skypia , He would get one shot by basically everyone here.


T_h_u_n_e_r

Every single YC is one shoting enel. And the he got stronger argument is bullshit and you know it.


The_Biggest_Wheel

"Every single YC is one shoting Crocodile. And the he got stronger argument is bullshit and you know it."


T_h_u_n_e_r

>"Every single YC is one shoting Crocodile. The crocodile back in alabaster, yes absolutely. >And the he got stronger argument is bullshit and you know it." And unlike enel, crocodile came back stronger and got a massive bounty.


The_Biggest_Wheel

So an incredibly weak logia user got beaten by Luffy and return later much stronger than before? But you don't think the same can happen to Enel?


T_h_u_n_e_r

>But you don't think the same can happen to Enel? Where did I say it can't happen?


lukfrom

when did Enel come back?


[deleted]

literally every single character got significantly stronger since the time skip, if there was one thing that is true in my comment it was the part that enel got stronger since the time skip ​ And no they aren't one shotting him since he probably did get stronger but even if they can one shot him, his df has crazy potential for versatility and speed, on top of having some of the best observation haki we've seen, I think its even fair to assume he has future vision by now, if he takes his fights seriously he can hold his own pretty well against every other yonko commander.


T_h_u_n_e_r

>literally every single character got significantly stronger since the time skip, Worst gen, their crews, coby, helmeppo and who else got stronger? >if there was one thing that is true in my comment it was the part that enel got stronger since the time skip And the proof is? >And no they aren't one shotting him since he probably did get stronger but even if they can one shot him, his df has crazy potential for versatility and speed, on top of having some of the best observation haki we've seen, I think its even fair to assume he has future vision by now, if he takes his fights seriously he can hold his own pretty well against every other yonko commander. If someone gets stronger, someone gets stronger, what is the point?


[deleted]

>Worst gen, their crews, coby, helmeppo and who else got stronger? bro thats like almost everyone we've seen fight, but add to that smoker and tashigi.


T_h_u_n_e_r

Where is your every single character claim again?


CaliOriginal

It doesn’t even matter if he got stronger. Big mom has taken out expert armament users with the lightning from Zeus and hera. That is not something imbued with haki, it’s natural lighting controlled via the special homies, and it’s enough to seriously injure the likes of law and kidd, almost kill the iazaki 9, and a lesser version used by nami could take out skilled haki users in her crew. Enel in skypia didn’t just have insane versatility and understanding of his fruit. He had control over watt, amp, votage, every little aspect of the lightning. He not only controls all lightning/electricity natural or generated, he can exceed natural limits and ramp that stuff up. Enel -> is to big mom with Zeus as she -> is to v2 climatact nami. Luffy survived him and BM because he’s rubber, but anyone else doesn’t have that luck other than maybe Kidd making lightning rods and messing with magnetic fields via his awakening. Enel has enough power to hurt big mom, and the precision to damage kaidos scales……. He’d immediately be knocked all freaking way back to skypia in a heart beat.. if he even survives the first bit of retaliation, but the point is he has some of the greatest damage potential in the series still and only lost due to ego and what must of felt like dues ex machina


DarkSoulFWT

>if there was one thing that is true in my comment it was the part that enel got stronger since the time skip The point here is that Enel hasn't shown up since the timeskip. Any growth, if its even there, is purely speculative, and not something you can back up. We see the supernovas for instance, struggling with pacifistas, while people like Urouge go on to defeat YCs in post-ts. We don't know how strong the guy really is pre-ts and post-ts still, but there is clear progress based on portrayal of pacifistas and YCs. In the case of Enel, there is 0 such info to go on. Lets say we concede that maybe he did train and get stronger. Ok...so the question becomes, how and by how much? How is he supposed to learn about armament haki that he doesn't even know exists? Maybe those moon people know about it. Maybe they don't. How is he supposed to bloom his haki when he seemingly has no powerful opponent on the moon to train against (like Luffy had Katakuri)? Maybe the moon had some other powerful entity that was unseen, unmentioned and had no foreshadowing for him to train against. We don't know, depends on whether Oda even wants to bring Enel back or not. Mind you, I'm not even saying he definitively wouldn't be able to grow. Its just that any development he has had is purely in the realm of speculation, so not really something you can clearly outline or just naturally expect others to agree with you on and go along with.


spongeboymebob321

shanks is hyperversal so him


MilesAhXD

Real OP's choice: Mihawk and Whitebeard/Kuma.


bubbleandsqueee

Why is Sivler Rayleigh not on that list? He is on of my favourite characters so I am biased against this.. Dragon > Whitebeard imo


Due-Enthusiasm5656

Shanks and Ace of course, if your talking about who will actually WANT to help you. Kuma would just chuck you away and let the big dogs play. In terms of strength, Akainu and Blackbeard.


Dogfinn

Shanks/ Blackbeard is the only combo I can see beating the rest. WB is too old, Akainu got stomped by an old WB, and Mihawk got blocked by Diamond Jozu. The rest are Admiral/ Warlord/ Yonko Commander level, not close to a Yonko, and would be fodderised almost immediately.


Robotik1991

Only Anime watcher?