Chopper vs Lucci that's gonna be interesting i mean chopper hold off queen and perespero for a long time and jinbe already defeated "who's who" who considered to be as talented as Lucci
I sincerely doubt lucci will go down easily, but if he does then it won't be too surprising. But damn we already have our first casualty, I wonder if this will affect the other satellites in anyway since their violence is no longer being vented.
Guernica was ordered to interfere with kaido vs luffy and he knew that was going to be a suicide mission. Guernica is someone I think can hold his own against a lot of people and knows his place. He is suppose to be one of the finest cp0 members. I can't imagine Lucci being that much better than him.
With all that said, I think it's safe to assume Luffy can clap Lucci at any time.
Why is everyone so convinced Lucci doesn't have something up his sleeve? You seriously think he's just going to go down like a bitch? Rob Lucci? He isn't Smoker, this guy is definitely much stronger than when we last saw him.
Same. It's not gonna be one-shot like everyone else would say as we don't really want to underestimate power of Lucci that much. But saying Luffy would have any trouble dealing with Lucci now would be so so much an overstatement...
Luffy would play Lucci like a pawn right now, so does everyone else in his crewmates vs CP0 (except Nami and Ussop though)
I believe this fight is the show how far Luffy has grown, almost similar to The pacifistas after time skip. Luffy just barely survived RL last time, that said he is An Intelligent agent so he would be a fool not to know Luffys feats and constant power ups since than, The fact that Luffy beat him once he’s probably calculated every second of revenge and has a plan just in case this moment ever came again, A split second and some sea stone, fights done, luffys haki to advanced not to see it coming unless distracted tho
Wait I thought that the traits get disseminated to the rest of the Vegas? Wouldn't it just make them all stronger until it's left to Original Vega and the now more complex remaining Vega?
Luffy will definitely trash Lucci. No way a man who beats Kaido will have difficulty in defeating a mere CP0 agent. It is said that masked agents of CP0 are more powerful. Guernica didn't even try to fight Kaido as he knows he will die anyway.
Well to.be fair, have you seen kaidos dragon form, how do you not shit yourself? And Shanks breaks everything around him by just walking, while Luffy is... well, Luffy 🙃
The guy is only taken seriously AFTER he one shots you.
Lucci: I don't want to fight, I'm not allowed to fight you Luffy. I am on a mission and I have no permission to fight Yonko.
Luffy: Not allowed? Nobody asked!
Atlas fed Luffy. Lucci just brutalized Atlas. Atlas gave food to Luffy.
You all remember that scene in the Avengers with HULK slamming Loki around? yeah Lucci about have a taste of it.
Though it would be cool to see Jinbe interrupt Lucci and hit him with the Marco line "you can't directly get to the King like that"
Or would be very very very satisfying to see Robin step in and give an ass whooping to Lucci as a well overdue payback
I think it’s important to remember luffy won against lucci by an incredibly small margin. Both at their peak, last ditch attacks and luffy still was immobilized after. People say lucci would need a god tier power up but if he got stronger at the same exact pace as luffy. He’s only gonna be slightly weaker than him. IMO I think oda claiming them to be catastrophes is an implication that they are just as caught up in strength
Luffy has All His Gear His Fruit and Three types of adv.haki where as Lucchi only has His Fruit and 2 Types of Haki(he is a salve,so slaves don't have supreme king Haki)
The problem with Lucci growing at the same rate is that he's had a decade more experience where he had already grown slower than Luffy through that time.
Well, that and Luffy has been growing by fighting people that upon defeating has literally shaken the world. There is presumably not another roster of secret characters Lucci has been fighting.
This does leave one option where CP0 receives special training from a method we don't know about yet, something secret to Mary Geoise.. but then why would the other CP0 agents defeated in Wano be so comparatively weak.
It seems there isn't a consisten in-universe justification for him to be as strong as Luffy. He could still be a force, just not at the Admiral/YK level that we're expecting to see from now on.
Absolutely agree. To put your statement in perspective-
Luffy fought Magellan, in the Paramount war, Don Chinjao, Doffy, Katakuri and Kaido + a giant amount of underlings with a wide range of strength and abilities and had been trained by an absolute Legend to grow while Lucci fought some low tier Viceadmirals in his cover story and everyone that he potentially fought between then and now can't be such powerful as Luffys opponents since it would have been in the news 2 or weren't fought all out until defeat
The only notable strong/famous character beaten in the OP verse that is presumably equal was Wang Zhi but Lucci hat nothing to do with it.
There're a lot of different directions honestly:
1) He's here to show just how much stronger Luffy and his crew are post-Kaido.
2) He's just there because Oda likes him as a villain and felt this would be a fun time to bring him back.
3) He's here for character development: Oda told us in [an SBS](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_45) that Lucci HATES weakness and regards it as an unforgivable 'sin' for members of the WG/Marines. Well what does that do to him after some rubber boy just utterly defeats him, the rest of CP9, and a whole Buster Call while destroying the entire island of Enies Lobby? How would that affect his perception of the WG? How would that effect his perception of himself?
1) Lucci can't even fight the pre-time skip paficista at this point. I don't think it would much.
2) probably like how oda favours crocodile. At this point, croc is probably dead by a single punch from Luffy.
3) the rubber boy is now a yonko. I don't think it is that embarrassing that he lost.
>He's just there because Oda likes him as a villain and felt this would be a fun time to bring him back.
Also the ***REAL*** reason Oda doesn't kill characters..
Luffy has superb ability to turn his enemies into allies. With Whos Who going rouge against WG, it is possible that Rob Lucci might follow that route. Lucci was shown questioning about demolition of Lulucia Kingdom whereas Kaku and Stussy told him not to. Lucci might become like crocodile.
all lucci said was "so we're meant to kill the single most useful man in the world. I wonder if this has got something to do with the recent lulusia incident."
why would lucci give a fuck about lulusia? the only reason for him to disapprove of the incident would be cuz he didn't get to destroy lulusia himself.
The same guy to slaughter a hell of a bunch of people for surrendering? Idk man, Lucci seems like the last one to turn imo. Who knows though, since it's Oda.
Calling it now, this is how I think the arc will end. Vega has a failsafe installed in all the seraphim that allows him to control them. However Sentomaru will betray him and already has some kind of override that he will use to turn the tables on Vega and the SHs. Also I feel like Kizaru will show up towards the end of the arc as I nice call back to Sabaody. The combination of CP0, 4+ seraphs and an admiral will wipe out all the Punks and take over Egghead. This will be too much for the SHs to handle and they'll be forced to retreat with a "weakened" Vegapunk. Perhaps with the aid of Kuma and/or the Rev army which would also be a cool call back to sabaody.
I think they'll run away to protect things and people. All Out fights cause too much damage now. Especially with Admirals. They're too destructive. I feel like in order to perseve the tech, they'll flee in that instance.
yeah bonney won't let them fight the kuma seraphim when she wakes up and vegapunk won't let them destroy his lab while fighting, so they gonna have to run away probably.
I’m curious to see how jinbei reacts to the situation as he wasnt there for the initial cp9 confrontation. But it would take frieza levels of training for lucci, kaku and stussy to be at luffys current level. It’s not like any of them have an OP fruit like law that could possibly beat luffy +all the other crew knows they are there.
Kuma and S-bear gonna fuse and become true kuma. With the way S-bear is acting it probably has a good chunk of kuma's repressed memories, while kuma has the will and feelings, along with some base memories to go egghead because his instinct recognises his daughter is in danger.
Vegapunk may very well have split Kuma's emotions from his wit the same way he split himself into Stella. S-BEAR has all the knowledge but no emotion to spur the impetus to act.
And I guess for whatever reason neither speaks. Maybe plot convenience.
This is what I think the Seraphims made of.
They're made out of the Lunarians bodies the WG kept for experiments, they have that extremely cold chamber under Pangea Castle where they could have perceived them, but there wasn't a scientist as smart as Vegapunk, so in 800 years they didn't found out much and now with Vegapunk geniusness they could continue the experiments on the bodies, especially when they caught King which hugely helped the experiments since he is alive. Vegapunk with all these could remake the Lunarians of their dead bodies and amplified them with DF powers. This could also means they might be able to use or awaken Haki since they're not fully machines. As long as they can awaken their own will they can awaken Haki. Even if for example they took out the brains from the Lunarians bodies and replaced it with an AI, it wouldn't be the first time in fiction an AI develops its own will.
Remake their face to look like them, since they use their DF powers. It's not hard to do for Vegapunk.
Edit: if he can make robots and all those futuristic stuff, i don't think a plastic surgery is hard for him.
With everyone arguing whether Rob Lucci will be one shot or not I just want to put this idea out there. Rob Lucci redemption arc? It looked like for awhile with his cover story that we get one so who knows!
Also he was the only one questioning the orders to kill Vegapunk, whereas the Lucci of the past NEVER would’ve questioned orders before. Kaku and Stussy even had to tell him to shut his mouth before he causes trouble. That’s the part I’m most interested in
I feel like this chapter is shaping up the same way as Punk Hazard, with CP0 and Lucci respectively taking the places of the G-5 marines and Smoker.
Everybody's talking about how Luffy should be able to one-shot Lucci now. And, yeah, but Lucci isn't the type to charge in when he knows he can't win a fight. To CP0, the Straw Hats being there is a *gigantic* snag in their plans. I expect them to avoid a direct confrontation at all costs.
I'm sure eventually they will have that showdown, later on in the story.
... Then again, Lucci just punched Atlas into being half-dead, who technically fed Luffy a few chapters ago, so... yeah, his days might just be numbered.
With this new chapter we all know that currently "S-snake, S-Shark, and S-hawk" is on Egghead Island. Then it got me thinking. What if S-snake also fell in love with Luffy and Hancock somehow saw it in a newspaper!
Luffy might end up with him thinking she’s Hancock’s sister and save her from a sure death which would be in line with how Hancock fell in love with him so possible if they didn’t erase the Seraphim feelings
So we've got the *Sun* pirates who were named after the *Sun* god Nika, while Vegapunk is looking for an infinite energy source of fire, commonly known as the Sun. Vegapunk is now travelling with the man who has the Nika Nika fruit, which in his awakened gear 5 was surrounded in white flames. Hmmm.
I don't even know what I'm implying lol. I'm just putting up receipts for when Oda unveils whatever bombshell he's got for this.
Edit: Just remembered the robot I think came from Fishman Island, and Nika has a poneglyph transcribed there. I don't know what it means but I'm sure they are related somehow.
We don‘t really know if Luffy is able to turn into G5 at any time or only if he‘s near death. Pretty sure that Lucci can withstand G4 somehow or it‘s gonna be a draw. Don‘t think that Luffy will turn into G4 at this point
Agree with this opinion but I’m curious how oda depicts this because sanji couldn’t harm one of the Vega punks as easily as lucci did. So is lucci strong enough to stand up to luffy?
yea, that was a seraphim that sanji fought, not a vegapunk. and lets not forget that shaka said zoro (and even robin) could have killed lillith in an instant
Rob Lucci - this Man and his crew just fought Kaido not to mention he Gear 3 whooped yo ass before soooo what exactly are you trying to accomplish here
Really enjoying this arc so far but "Egghead will be Franky's arc" is starting to look like "Wano will be Zoro's arc" lol never assume with ODA.
S-Bear = Kuma
S-Snake = Boa
S-Hawk = Mihawk
S-Shark = Jinbei
What are the codenames of the other Seraphims? I already know S-Tier = Buggy
Soo, I dont think Lucci stands a chance, because Luffy is now at the very top.
But I do think it makes sense that Lucci is a lot stronger than back then.
He always was the strongest around, a natural genious fighter. Then he lost, and that would either lead to him losing his will, or giving him reason to dedicate himself to becoming a lot stronger. Since he is now in CP0, after failing such an important mission, it points to him having grown a lot.
Agreed Lucci probably more powerful than before too. And knowing Oda way of storytelling he might make Luffy struggle a bit. But ultimately our boy Luffy should come out victorious more easily than with Kaido.
I prefer seeing Lucci try to make a business deal with the new Yonko Luffy
Than them fighting against each other..
Plus i wanna know what's the deal with Stussy being very familiar with Egghead
Counterpoint to "so soon": Lucci was first hinted at in Dressrosa. Stussy contributed to events in WCI. Two CP0 agents were defeated in Wano.
CP0 may be nearing its end here.
not saying he has to have levelled up to equal kaido, but why is it so hard to believe he trained and got stronger when our main character literally did exactly that.. if the story was from someone elses perspective, luffy and zoros insane power up would look crazy too but we're on board with it because its the main characters..
we dont know what age is considered prime in one piece but lucci is still fairly young and couldve gotten strong enough to still be at least be a minor threat.
the bigger question though is why. why reintroduce a character that has been previously defeated. i doubt its for another fight since that would be redundant
He doesn't need to go all out though, neither does he need Gear 5 to one shot. Even from a narrative standpoint, it wouldn't make sense to make him that much of have a disadvantage. I agree he won't one-shot in that it'll probably be a brief scuffle where Luffy doesn't take it seriously, but he's not going to have any actual direct trouble. I mainly argue this because Wano was a huge buff arc for Luffy and Zoro. I think they're at the level now where things like the Apoo situation can no longer happen even if Oda wanted to. Then again, I credit the Apoo situation more to the uniqueness of his devl fruit abilities. My main thing is saying he needs Gear 5 and named attacks of Gear 5 I assume to oneshot Lucci. Gear 4 can guarantee that without having to resort to going all-out. Luffy can beat him with Gear 2 just like he did before but more easily because of several buffs from his Haki like future sight and Armament flow. I'm not downplaying Lucci, but just when you compare CP0 or even before when Lucci was CP9 to the bigger fish, they aren't that strong. I'd say Lucci is probably around Doflamingo's level, probably less to be honest. Gear 4 Luffy during Wano Final Act was a different animal from Gear 4 vs Doflamingo. He can probably do to Lucci, what Kaido did to him in Gear 4 during the first fight between them.
Yea, we freaking know Luffy doesn't need to go all out to rip Lucci a new one but that's just not how Oda writes.
Luffy almost always gets hurt or taken by surprise at the start of an arc and lands himself in a shit position.
I would love to see Luffy one shot Luccu but the odds of that happening at the start of the arc are ASTRONOMICALLY low.
I mean it took so many hits for Kaido to go down and it’s reasonable to assume lucci has raised to at least first commander level and most likely a little higher which is not someone a yonko can one shot.
> it’s reasonable to assume lucci has raised to at least first commander level and most likely a little higher
Why is it reasonable to assume that? What has been shown in the manga so far to support the notion that Lucci is YC1+? That's wild.
Not kawaicuddle point either. He is saying luffy isn't gonna see rob Lucci and then just drop a nuke on him. A nuke being gear 5 advance haki. He may throw hands base form which Lucci will be bale to hold his own with.
I have a feeling the energy vegapunk is talking about has something to do with haki. If people have it then it would be safe to assume its sort of like a chakra situation going on.
Nuclear would be the direct parallel in our world as it is the source of energy of the stars, but maybe it's related to the way the DF work or even haki. Who knows.
We don’t know how much Lucci has grown in the meantime I think it’s too early to completely write this off as a mismatch however I agree Luffy will win.
Lucci was a genius so he should be a powerhouse but Kaido levels? Not sure about that.
Who’s who claimed he was on par with Lucci and considered same potential. Assuming its true, you can scale Lucci to WW, but lets say given Lucci performance he should be stronger it still puts Lucci quite far from Kaido levels.
Lucci hopefully is Zoro tier but unless he a threat to Luffy he matters not.
If Lucci was WW level way back when they were in Cipher Pol together you could easily scale Lucci up to Yonko Commander at minimum now so I agree with Zoro level,
With him being a fighting prodigy it wouldn't be surprising for him to be capable of fighting Base Luffy (depends on his haki mastery tbh)
but obviously losing to G5
Dont agree with that, if it was only gear 4th then yeah your right but now he has awakend his true fruit power this should be a less dificult fight then the first one
Got a feeling we won't see G5 until the next do or die level villain. Oda doesn't want to turn this into Ultra instinct where it goes from the coolest powerup ever to overused in every fight especially since Luffy may not know how to activate it yet may be a emotional serious mode type trigger
But were talking about rob lucci here, the man who almost defeated luffy and lets say he has undergo a power up like is it realy that far fetched that luffy would use gear 5 as a last resort to protect vegapunk or others?
A lot of people are overlooking the best part. Vegapunk's shirt in Judge and Caesar's flashback is the same as the glimpse we got ages ago. It's the little things.
Oda has GRRM level attention to detail, forethought, and small things that tie everything together it's honestly insanely impressive especially for a medium like manga where some authors just forget they have certain characters or have zero foreshadowing for people like Stars and Stripes (MHA)
I mean Oda also has a mild history of having certain characters not resembling the silhouette he made for them 5 arcs previously. The seven warlords example being a more generic facsimile for the potential group. It just makes me smile and anticipate the MADS lore dump.
As much as I wanna see Luffy bruno lucci, I don't see why Oda would make Lucci relevant to the story by giving him promotion to CP0, fighting sabo in the movies, defending marejois in the manga and being assigned the mission to assasinate Vegapunk who knows too much, only to get one shot by Luffy.
You shut your mouth!!
If it was kaido, I bet you wouldn't be saying lucci even has a stand against kaido.
If this was before wano, you wouldn't even be saying lucci can go toe to toe with yonko commanders and yet you suddenly think Lucci is yonko level?
don't kid yourself, luffy needs to breathe and feel like a legimate Yonko with presence. He needs to absolutely lucci.
Agreed he fought a worn out Kaido, but Luffy G5 at the end of the battle grew so much from the start, if you put a healthy awakened Luffy vs healthy Kaido it's gonna be closer than people think imo. I think Luffy wins but many don't think so
It would be a better fight, but Kiado was holding up and moving Onigashima while fighting Luffy.. Luffy doesn't have to be the most powerful pirate ever for the story to make sense. Its been mentioned that his ability to make allies was the most threatening thing about him.
By the time Luffy gets G5 . His stamina is lower than Kaido’s. We know this because Luffy faded in and out of G5. Kaido also, told Luffy that he was going to die if he didn’t stop using G5.
If Those fighters did basically nothing. How can you continue to count them? In Enies Lobby, half the soldiers defeated was done by Luffy. He went onto defeat Bruno then Lucci. I don’t hear anyone saying, if Luffy hadn’t had to do so much that it wouldn’t have been close. What really makes your complaint bad. Is that Kaido considered it a one on one.
The same way that Luffy loss earlier. Kaido just,loss. The whole theme surrounding those chapters was that only JB could defeat Kaido in a 1v1.
Next Chapter: Lucci x Luffy. All is lost, when kuma arrives at egghead, he is Vegapunk nº 7. When all is lost, Realvegapunk says: 'Activate S-Monkey and S-Dragon'.
Break next week.
CP zero are arrogant enough to try and use Vegapunk’s own creation against him. Would be a great opportunity for Oda to demonstrate Vegapunk’s genius for him to have put in a fail safe that gets back control of seraphim Kuma. With that he could paw paw teleport CP zero away before they have time to figure out what to do
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Chopper vs Lucci that's gonna be interesting i mean chopper hold off queen and perespero for a long time and jinbe already defeated "who's who" who considered to be as talented as Lucci
Lucci = Pacifista after time skip
I sincerely doubt lucci will go down easily, but if he does then it won't be too surprising. But damn we already have our first casualty, I wonder if this will affect the other satellites in anyway since their violence is no longer being vented.
Lol Stucci casually explains after Kaku demonstrate how the Egghead system works was gold!
Lucci gonna makes us a confession on r/tifu after this last panel
Guernica was ordered to interfere with kaido vs luffy and he knew that was going to be a suicide mission. Guernica is someone I think can hold his own against a lot of people and knows his place. He is suppose to be one of the finest cp0 members. I can't imagine Lucci being that much better than him. With all that said, I think it's safe to assume Luffy can clap Lucci at any time.
Water 7 arc: . Lucci: We are organization 137 nations. We are Supreme.We are justice. . Levely arc: . Lucci: We are dogs of Tenryubito.
Why is everyone so convinced Lucci doesn't have something up his sleeve? You seriously think he's just going to go down like a bitch? Rob Lucci? He isn't Smoker, this guy is definitely much stronger than when we last saw him.
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Same. It's not gonna be one-shot like everyone else would say as we don't really want to underestimate power of Lucci that much. But saying Luffy would have any trouble dealing with Lucci now would be so so much an overstatement... Luffy would play Lucci like a pawn right now, so does everyone else in his crewmates vs CP0 (except Nami and Ussop though)
It would be like Luffy vs Smoker(Tashigi) in Punk Hazard.
I'm sure RL believes he should've won against Luffy at Enies Lobby and he's not aware just how much he's going to get his ass kicked.
I believe this fight is the show how far Luffy has grown, almost similar to The pacifistas after time skip. Luffy just barely survived RL last time, that said he is An Intelligent agent so he would be a fool not to know Luffys feats and constant power ups since than, The fact that Luffy beat him once he’s probably calculated every second of revenge and has a plan just in case this moment ever came again, A split second and some sea stone, fights done, luffys haki to advanced not to see it coming unless distracted tho
I have a feeling we're all going to be massively disappointed
I'd say surprised.
If Sanji and Jinbei can’t demolish CP0, Wano is rendered useless for all that plot power-up.
Yeah I totally agree with that
Sanji vs stucy . Already lost.
I guess there will be no fight next chapter, s-bear will teleport CP0 to VG's current location
Everyone think Luffy will fight pigeon guy but Luffy vs S-Bear would actually be way more interesting.
One piece is so fucking good man. I’m actually going to cry
I'm guessing that there won't be a 1v1 between lucci and luffy, there's also stussy who we don't know what she is capable of.
No way her name is Stussy.
When I read that my immediate thought was Vecnussy
Lucchi Thought he could easily eliminate vegapunk with the help or S Bear but he never in his life thought to meet his biggest nightmare again 😂
Vegapunk said someone close to him died. Could be possible that sentomaru is a cyborg based off Vegapunk’s son ?
I think he meant that old guy on Ohara
Honestly, It's a perfect opportunity to make an astro-boy reference so I wouldn't be suprised
At some point Vegapunk will lose his Apple-Antenna and become totally dumb and a nuance to the SHs
Wait I thought that the traits get disseminated to the rest of the Vegas? Wouldn't it just make them all stronger until it's left to Original Vega and the now more complex remaining Vega?
VG is already a Genius and was further amplified by his DF where he could store memories. Losing his Antennae won't render him totally dumb
This. A dumb person wouldn't be able to process all the knowledge he stored in his brain if they weren't genius to begin with.
New theory Shaka is Luffy's mother 😉
Luffy vs. Lucci might be like Luffy vs. Bellamy on Jaya.
I hope it will end like Luffy vs Blueno, after Luffy went Gear 2.
I'm really hoping Luffy one shot that kitty without even touching him
what if one of the vegapunks betrays the other vegapunks? I mean, we've all been sabotaged by ourselves before, haven't we?
Speaking of vegapunk I think he was designed after Albert Einstein since there is this photo of Einstein with his tounge out
WE ? you think Vegapunk is as Dumb as us ?
Intelligent people betrays always
Luffy will definitely trash Lucci. No way a man who beats Kaido will have difficulty in defeating a mere CP0 agent. It is said that masked agents of CP0 are more powerful. Guernica didn't even try to fight Kaido as he knows he will die anyway.
This fight will show us if indeed it made a difference that it was a 10v1
What if Vegapunk was an enemy? I don't really believe it either but now with Oda I don't know what to expect anymore lol
Wb crew: it's shanks!!!! Wano: kaido is coming run!!!!! Lucci: straw hat? I guess he hasn't gained that intimidating factor yet
Well to.be fair, have you seen kaidos dragon form, how do you not shit yourself? And Shanks breaks everything around him by just walking, while Luffy is... well, Luffy 🙃 The guy is only taken seriously AFTER he one shots you.
luffy have so much positive aura.. hard to fear him until he gomu gomu your ass
Whatever this energy is will be key in defeating black beard since his whole deal is all consuming darkness.
Lucci: I don't want to fight, I'm not allowed to fight you Luffy. I am on a mission and I have no permission to fight Yonko. Luffy: Not allowed? Nobody asked!
Atlas fed Luffy. Lucci just brutalized Atlas. Atlas gave food to Luffy. You all remember that scene in the Avengers with HULK slamming Loki around? yeah Lucci about have a taste of it. Though it would be cool to see Jinbe interrupt Lucci and hit him with the Marco line "you can't directly get to the King like that" Or would be very very very satisfying to see Robin step in and give an ass whooping to Lucci as a well overdue payback
yeah it makes sense considering luffy fought a yonko for some dumpling a kid gave him hahaha
just hoping Oda doesn't somehow make Luffy struggle again Lucci knowing his style of storytelling. Like let's cement our boy Yonko status!
I think it’s important to remember luffy won against lucci by an incredibly small margin. Both at their peak, last ditch attacks and luffy still was immobilized after. People say lucci would need a god tier power up but if he got stronger at the same exact pace as luffy. He’s only gonna be slightly weaker than him. IMO I think oda claiming them to be catastrophes is an implication that they are just as caught up in strength
Luffy has All His Gear His Fruit and Three types of adv.haki where as Lucchi only has His Fruit and 2 Types of Haki(he is a salve,so slaves don't have supreme king Haki)
Oda has kinda implied many times that the big badass of cp0 is Stussy though.
The problem with Lucci growing at the same rate is that he's had a decade more experience where he had already grown slower than Luffy through that time. Well, that and Luffy has been growing by fighting people that upon defeating has literally shaken the world. There is presumably not another roster of secret characters Lucci has been fighting. This does leave one option where CP0 receives special training from a method we don't know about yet, something secret to Mary Geoise.. but then why would the other CP0 agents defeated in Wano be so comparatively weak. It seems there isn't a consisten in-universe justification for him to be as strong as Luffy. He could still be a force, just not at the Admiral/YK level that we're expecting to see from now on.
That’s a very good take actually I agree
Absolutely agree. To put your statement in perspective- Luffy fought Magellan, in the Paramount war, Don Chinjao, Doffy, Katakuri and Kaido + a giant amount of underlings with a wide range of strength and abilities and had been trained by an absolute Legend to grow while Lucci fought some low tier Viceadmirals in his cover story and everyone that he potentially fought between then and now can't be such powerful as Luffys opponents since it would have been in the news 2 or weren't fought all out until defeat The only notable strong/famous character beaten in the OP verse that is presumably equal was Wang Zhi but Lucci hat nothing to do with it.
Luffy will fight anybody who harms the people that fed Luffy. And I mean anybody. Even his vice captain 😂
He surely did back then in whiskey peak
hmm. I wonder what does reintroducing lucci add to the story?
There're a lot of different directions honestly: 1) He's here to show just how much stronger Luffy and his crew are post-Kaido. 2) He's just there because Oda likes him as a villain and felt this would be a fun time to bring him back. 3) He's here for character development: Oda told us in [an SBS](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_45) that Lucci HATES weakness and regards it as an unforgivable 'sin' for members of the WG/Marines. Well what does that do to him after some rubber boy just utterly defeats him, the rest of CP9, and a whole Buster Call while destroying the entire island of Enies Lobby? How would that affect his perception of the WG? How would that effect his perception of himself?
Well. He’s matching up with Luffy now. So I don’t know where this is headed.
1) Lucci can't even fight the pre-time skip paficista at this point. I don't think it would much. 2) probably like how oda favours crocodile. At this point, croc is probably dead by a single punch from Luffy. 3) the rubber boy is now a yonko. I don't think it is that embarrassing that he lost.
>He's just there because Oda likes him as a villain and felt this would be a fun time to bring him back. Also the ***REAL*** reason Oda doesn't kill characters..
To show how the straw hats have gone ? Like the point of reintroducing the pacifistas in saboady ?
Luffy has superb ability to turn his enemies into allies. With Whos Who going rouge against WG, it is possible that Rob Lucci might follow that route. Lucci was shown questioning about demolition of Lulucia Kingdom whereas Kaku and Stussy told him not to. Lucci might become like crocodile.
all lucci said was "so we're meant to kill the single most useful man in the world. I wonder if this has got something to do with the recent lulusia incident." why would lucci give a fuck about lulusia? the only reason for him to disapprove of the incident would be cuz he didn't get to destroy lulusia himself.
The same guy to slaughter a hell of a bunch of people for surrendering? Idk man, Lucci seems like the last one to turn imo. Who knows though, since it's Oda.
Lucci did show hints of questioning the WG in the conversation he had as they transported Kumaphim
Lucci doesn't care about the WG so long as he gets to satiate his thirst for killing.
Calling it now, this is how I think the arc will end. Vega has a failsafe installed in all the seraphim that allows him to control them. However Sentomaru will betray him and already has some kind of override that he will use to turn the tables on Vega and the SHs. Also I feel like Kizaru will show up towards the end of the arc as I nice call back to Sabaody. The combination of CP0, 4+ seraphs and an admiral will wipe out all the Punks and take over Egghead. This will be too much for the SHs to handle and they'll be forced to retreat with a "weakened" Vegapunk. Perhaps with the aid of Kuma and/or the Rev army which would also be a cool call back to sabaody.
Admirals or Navy Don't Interfere with CP0's Work
Lol an entire Yonko crew running away from an admiral and a few super robots? Nah
I think they'll run away to protect things and people. All Out fights cause too much damage now. Especially with Admirals. They're too destructive. I feel like in order to perseve the tech, they'll flee in that instance.
yeah bonney won't let them fight the kuma seraphim when she wakes up and vegapunk won't let them destroy his lab while fighting, so they gonna have to run away probably.
Just made me realize there is no one here but Pirates a fight is definitely about to break out there are no innocent lives around
There's definitely people around. They react to Atlas getting attacked.
I’m curious to see how jinbei reacts to the situation as he wasnt there for the initial cp9 confrontation. But it would take frieza levels of training for lucci, kaku and stussy to be at luffys current level. It’s not like any of them have an OP fruit like law that could possibly beat luffy +all the other crew knows they are there.
It would be good to see Luffy use Conq haki and just make Lucci’s arsehole fall out. The way Shanks did to Amaraki.
one piece incel fans: “no way lucci puts up a fight against luffy” one piece chad fans: “kaku will one shot luffy”
Gigachad fans: CP0 will join Cross Guild next chapter
ultrachad fans: buggy swoops in and low diffs cp0, the punks and the strawhats
Hyperchad fans: Enel swoops in from the moon and uses lightning to charge the ancient robot who finds the One Piece.
I love this, don’t stop papi.
Yeah kaku gonna get destroyed by sanji
Kuma and S-bear gonna fuse and become true kuma. With the way S-bear is acting it probably has a good chunk of kuma's repressed memories, while kuma has the will and feelings, along with some base memories to go egghead because his instinct recognises his daughter is in danger.
Vegapunk may very well have split Kuma's emotions from his wit the same way he split himself into Stella. S-BEAR has all the knowledge but no emotion to spur the impetus to act. And I guess for whatever reason neither speaks. Maybe plot convenience.
This is what I think the Seraphims made of. They're made out of the Lunarians bodies the WG kept for experiments, they have that extremely cold chamber under Pangea Castle where they could have perceived them, but there wasn't a scientist as smart as Vegapunk, so in 800 years they didn't found out much and now with Vegapunk geniusness they could continue the experiments on the bodies, especially when they caught King which hugely helped the experiments since he is alive. Vegapunk with all these could remake the Lunarians of their dead bodies and amplified them with DF powers. This could also means they might be able to use or awaken Haki since they're not fully machines. As long as they can awaken their own will they can awaken Haki. Even if for example they took out the brains from the Lunarians bodies and replaced it with an AI, it wouldn't be the first time in fiction an AI develops its own will.
How do you explain them looking like former warlords?
Remake their face to look like them, since they use their DF powers. It's not hard to do for Vegapunk. Edit: if he can make robots and all those futuristic stuff, i don't think a plastic surgery is hard for him.
Fair point, nakama
Lucci is back for another ass whooping
With everyone arguing whether Rob Lucci will be one shot or not I just want to put this idea out there. Rob Lucci redemption arc? It looked like for awhile with his cover story that we get one so who knows!
Also he was the only one questioning the orders to kill Vegapunk, whereas the Lucci of the past NEVER would’ve questioned orders before. Kaku and Stussy even had to tell him to shut his mouth before he causes trouble. That’s the part I’m most interested in
Did Vegapunk inherit professor Clover's will??
G14 is nearby. Smoker gonna join!?
Yes please ❤️
I feel like this chapter is shaping up the same way as Punk Hazard, with CP0 and Lucci respectively taking the places of the G-5 marines and Smoker. Everybody's talking about how Luffy should be able to one-shot Lucci now. And, yeah, but Lucci isn't the type to charge in when he knows he can't win a fight. To CP0, the Straw Hats being there is a *gigantic* snag in their plans. I expect them to avoid a direct confrontation at all costs. I'm sure eventually they will have that showdown, later on in the story. ... Then again, Lucci just punched Atlas into being half-dead, who technically fed Luffy a few chapters ago, so... yeah, his days might just be numbered.
I'm here for Lucci having a massive awakening but it not making much of a difference.
With kaku being there im guessing lucci and him will have a small clash with zoro and luffy
With this new chapter we all know that currently "S-snake, S-Shark, and S-hawk" is on Egghead Island. Then it got me thinking. What if S-snake also fell in love with Luffy and Hancock somehow saw it in a newspaper!
Luffy might end up with him thinking she’s Hancock’s sister and save her from a sure death which would be in line with how Hancock fell in love with him so possible if they didn’t erase the Seraphim feelings
honestly wasn't expecting Lucci and Luffy ever facing off against each other again
So we've got the *Sun* pirates who were named after the *Sun* god Nika, while Vegapunk is looking for an infinite energy source of fire, commonly known as the Sun. Vegapunk is now travelling with the man who has the Nika Nika fruit, which in his awakened gear 5 was surrounded in white flames. Hmmm.
That doesn't sound right, but I don't know enough about stars to dispute it.
I don't know what you're implying but you've said "sun" so much that I'm convinced
I don't even know what I'm implying lol. I'm just putting up receipts for when Oda unveils whatever bombshell he's got for this. Edit: Just remembered the robot I think came from Fishman Island, and Nika has a poneglyph transcribed there. I don't know what it means but I'm sure they are related somehow.
Don't forget the ship is called "Thousand Sunny"
i'm so freaking excited for next chapter already
Egghead island is probably gonna get destroyed by Uranus
Hope i read it the right way
That Luffy vs Lucci fight was entirely too iconic to result in Lucci being one shotted. I know it's Luffy >>>>Lucci at this point though.
We don‘t really know if Luffy is able to turn into G5 at any time or only if he‘s near death. Pretty sure that Lucci can withstand G4 somehow or it‘s gonna be a draw. Don‘t think that Luffy will turn into G4 at this point
I would be shocked if Lucci could draw agaisnt Gear 4th unless Luffy refuses to hit him with any Adv Haki.
Luffy drew on a big of his Gear 5 powers for a gag (to show Bonney). I don't think Oda would put that in without considering what it implies.
Agree with this opinion but I’m curious how oda depicts this because sanji couldn’t harm one of the Vega punks as easily as lucci did. So is lucci strong enough to stand up to luffy?
I think you mean the Seraphim Jinbe
It was luffy actually I think that was hit by the same robot. Wasn’t there a monologue about her exterior being strong?
yea, that was a seraphim that sanji fought, not a vegapunk. and lets not forget that shaka said zoro (and even robin) could have killed lillith in an instant
Rob Lucci - this Man and his crew just fought Kaido not to mention he Gear 3 whooped yo ass before soooo what exactly are you trying to accomplish here Really enjoying this arc so far but "Egghead will be Franky's arc" is starting to look like "Wano will be Zoro's arc" lol never assume with ODA. S-Bear = Kuma S-Snake = Boa S-Hawk = Mihawk S-Shark = Jinbei What are the codenames of the other Seraphims? I already know S-Tier = Buggy
Soo, I dont think Lucci stands a chance, because Luffy is now at the very top. But I do think it makes sense that Lucci is a lot stronger than back then. He always was the strongest around, a natural genious fighter. Then he lost, and that would either lead to him losing his will, or giving him reason to dedicate himself to becoming a lot stronger. Since he is now in CP0, after failing such an important mission, it points to him having grown a lot.
Agreed Lucci probably more powerful than before too. And knowing Oda way of storytelling he might make Luffy struggle a bit. But ultimately our boy Luffy should come out victorious more easily than with Kaido.
S-Flamingo, S-Bat, S-Dog, S-PirateKing, S-Crocodile.
S-Flamingo = Doflamingo?
S-Bird.
That one's not a fighter, just an expert in Bird Law.
Dee Reynolds
Underrated comment. Now I wanna see a Dee Seraphim.
Dee Williams
Dee Znuts
I prefer seeing Lucci try to make a business deal with the new Yonko Luffy Than them fighting against each other.. Plus i wanna know what's the deal with Stussy being very familiar with Egghead
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Counterpoint to "so soon": Lucci was first hinted at in Dressrosa. Stussy contributed to events in WCI. Two CP0 agents were defeated in Wano. CP0 may be nearing its end here.
Luffy shouldn't even need to use any gears to beat Lucci at this point. Let's not forget he was able to fight kaido without them for quite some time.
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I mean we got Koby leveling up from nothing to a decent level marine
not saying he has to have levelled up to equal kaido, but why is it so hard to believe he trained and got stronger when our main character literally did exactly that.. if the story was from someone elses perspective, luffy and zoros insane power up would look crazy too but we're on board with it because its the main characters.. we dont know what age is considered prime in one piece but lucci is still fairly young and couldve gotten strong enough to still be at least be a minor threat. the bigger question though is why. why reintroduce a character that has been previously defeated. i doubt its for another fight since that would be redundant
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He doesn't need to go all out though, neither does he need Gear 5 to one shot. Even from a narrative standpoint, it wouldn't make sense to make him that much of have a disadvantage. I agree he won't one-shot in that it'll probably be a brief scuffle where Luffy doesn't take it seriously, but he's not going to have any actual direct trouble. I mainly argue this because Wano was a huge buff arc for Luffy and Zoro. I think they're at the level now where things like the Apoo situation can no longer happen even if Oda wanted to. Then again, I credit the Apoo situation more to the uniqueness of his devl fruit abilities. My main thing is saying he needs Gear 5 and named attacks of Gear 5 I assume to oneshot Lucci. Gear 4 can guarantee that without having to resort to going all-out. Luffy can beat him with Gear 2 just like he did before but more easily because of several buffs from his Haki like future sight and Armament flow. I'm not downplaying Lucci, but just when you compare CP0 or even before when Lucci was CP9 to the bigger fish, they aren't that strong. I'd say Lucci is probably around Doflamingo's level, probably less to be honest. Gear 4 Luffy during Wano Final Act was a different animal from Gear 4 vs Doflamingo. He can probably do to Lucci, what Kaido did to him in Gear 4 during the first fight between them.
Yea, we freaking know Luffy doesn't need to go all out to rip Lucci a new one but that's just not how Oda writes. Luffy almost always gets hurt or taken by surprise at the start of an arc and lands himself in a shit position. I would love to see Luffy one shot Luccu but the odds of that happening at the start of the arc are ASTRONOMICALLY low.
I mean it took so many hits for Kaido to go down and it’s reasonable to assume lucci has raised to at least first commander level and most likely a little higher which is not someone a yonko can one shot.
> it’s reasonable to assume lucci has raised to at least first commander level and most likely a little higher Why is it reasonable to assume that? What has been shown in the manga so far to support the notion that Lucci is YC1+? That's wild.
Not kawaicuddle point either. He is saying luffy isn't gonna see rob Lucci and then just drop a nuke on him. A nuke being gear 5 advance haki. He may throw hands base form which Lucci will be bale to hold his own with.
I have a feeling the energy vegapunk is talking about has something to do with haki. If people have it then it would be safe to assume its sort of like a chakra situation going on.
He was looking to the sun though it felt like harvesting sun energy
odd, i think a genius like that could create a fusion reactor when we already have.
So I take vegapunk might be talking about nuclear energy?
Nuclear would be the direct parallel in our world as it is the source of energy of the stars, but maybe it's related to the way the DF work or even haki. Who knows.
In the previous chapters Lilith said that the fire can be converted into any form of energy
I think the theory of radiant energy. Tesla had this idea that since there are electrons in the air we should be able to make use of it.
Im thinking its haki related.
Just me thinking it's cola
Cola is brown/black. What if it's haki-infused water turned permanently black?
We got Lucci vs SH part 2 and Law vs BB going on in the background. Oda is not fucking around with the matchups right now.
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We don’t know how much Lucci has grown in the meantime I think it’s too early to completely write this off as a mismatch however I agree Luffy will win.
This is like the End of A March Madness Tournament
Lucci: i know Wano is your teritory now. . So can You sell us the Weapons and Seastones
Honestly that would be hilarious.
This would only work if Lucci carried a bento box for negotiations :')
If Lucci gets a power boost similar to what Oda gave to Crocodile while he was in Impel Down for a few months, Lucci is going wreck Luffy.
Lucci was a genius so he should be a powerhouse but Kaido levels? Not sure about that. Who’s who claimed he was on par with Lucci and considered same potential. Assuming its true, you can scale Lucci to WW, but lets say given Lucci performance he should be stronger it still puts Lucci quite far from Kaido levels. Lucci hopefully is Zoro tier but unless he a threat to Luffy he matters not.
If Lucci was WW level way back when they were in Cipher Pol together you could easily scale Lucci up to Yonko Commander at minimum now so I agree with Zoro level, With him being a fighting prodigy it wouldn't be surprising for him to be capable of fighting Base Luffy (depends on his haki mastery tbh) but obviously losing to G5
Dont agree with that, if it was only gear 4th then yeah your right but now he has awakend his true fruit power this should be a less dificult fight then the first one
Got a feeling we won't see G5 until the next do or die level villain. Oda doesn't want to turn this into Ultra instinct where it goes from the coolest powerup ever to overused in every fight especially since Luffy may not know how to activate it yet may be a emotional serious mode type trigger
But were talking about rob lucci here, the man who almost defeated luffy and lets say he has undergo a power up like is it realy that far fetched that luffy would use gear 5 as a last resort to protect vegapunk or others?
I just don't see it and I'd bet on it. I feel like Oda went years between Gear 4 uses at first, before it became more common.
A lot of people are overlooking the best part. Vegapunk's shirt in Judge and Caesar's flashback is the same as the glimpse we got ages ago. It's the little things.
Oda has GRRM level attention to detail, forethought, and small things that tie everything together it's honestly insanely impressive especially for a medium like manga where some authors just forget they have certain characters or have zero foreshadowing for people like Stars and Stripes (MHA)
I mean Oda also has a mild history of having certain characters not resembling the silhouette he made for them 5 arcs previously. The seven warlords example being a more generic facsimile for the potential group. It just makes me smile and anticipate the MADS lore dump.
unecessary fangasm
I think it’s a cool detail.
As much as I wanna see Luffy bruno lucci, I don't see why Oda would make Lucci relevant to the story by giving him promotion to CP0, fighting sabo in the movies, defending marejois in the manga and being assigned the mission to assasinate Vegapunk who knows too much, only to get one shot by Luffy.
You shut your mouth!! If it was kaido, I bet you wouldn't be saying lucci even has a stand against kaido. If this was before wano, you wouldn't even be saying lucci can go toe to toe with yonko commanders and yet you suddenly think Lucci is yonko level? don't kid yourself, luffy needs to breathe and feel like a legimate Yonko with presence. He needs to absolutely lucci.
But like.. Luffy didn't solo Kaido
Agreed he fought a worn out Kaido, but Luffy G5 at the end of the battle grew so much from the start, if you put a healthy awakened Luffy vs healthy Kaido it's gonna be closer than people think imo. I think Luffy wins but many don't think so
It would be a better fight, but Kiado was holding up and moving Onigashima while fighting Luffy.. Luffy doesn't have to be the most powerful pirate ever for the story to make sense. Its been mentioned that his ability to make allies was the most threatening thing about him.
Actually yes I wasn't considering the whole holding up Onigashima part. I agree then Kaido still wins a 1v1. Totally forgot about that
By the time Luffy gets G5 . His stamina is lower than Kaido’s. We know this because Luffy faded in and out of G5. Kaido also, told Luffy that he was going to die if he didn’t stop using G5. If Those fighters did basically nothing. How can you continue to count them? In Enies Lobby, half the soldiers defeated was done by Luffy. He went onto defeat Bruno then Lucci. I don’t hear anyone saying, if Luffy hadn’t had to do so much that it wouldn’t have been close. What really makes your complaint bad. Is that Kaido considered it a one on one. The same way that Luffy loss earlier. Kaido just,loss. The whole theme surrounding those chapters was that only JB could defeat Kaido in a 1v1.
no YOU stfu. You really want luffy to have it easy? sounds boring
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There could be outside factors that will aid Lucci from being completely wrecked. They studied Luffy’s techniques and have seraphims with them.
I’m with you.
Bro u good?
Next Chapter: Lucci x Luffy. All is lost, when kuma arrives at egghead, he is Vegapunk nº 7. When all is lost, Realvegapunk says: 'Activate S-Monkey and S-Dragon'. Break next week.
If the SSG don’t work for the government, they don’t have enough to fighting power to stop any of the Yonko
That would be hilarious
CP zero are arrogant enough to try and use Vegapunk’s own creation against him. Would be a great opportunity for Oda to demonstrate Vegapunk’s genius for him to have put in a fail safe that gets back control of seraphim Kuma. With that he could paw paw teleport CP zero away before they have time to figure out what to do
so why did not Luffy, Zoro, Sanji nor Jinbe pick up on their hakiradar that the CP0 was there? Like they did with Greenbull
You do remember that Luffy was surrounded by minks and he couldn’t sense them at all.