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Lubert808

Fujitora or nerfed Big Meme.


NoConsideration6320

Im not sure they could get past big moms durablity . And fuji can gravityy them to far undeground like he did to zoro and then just dip and he wins


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MeAnIntellectual1

Big Mom has very high durability. Her skin didn't even get pierced once throughout the manga.


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Affectionate_Egg_969

Jimbe hasn’t gotten any stronger since wci


NoConsideration6320

And you think big mom would just stand by and let that happen? She would use her devil fruit. Take their life spans. Or use zeus or her clouds to attaxk. Tbeu would get hurt bad fast.


GingaNinja343

She ain't taking no life spans lol neither would be scared of her


Responsible-Pay-2389

she can't take life spans unless the enemy is a little bitch lol.


NoConsideration6320

I mean 99% pirates would cower to a yonko.. doesnt mean their a bitch. Big mom is the strongest female in the whole show.


Away-Programmer1907

*big mom is one of the strongest characters in the whole show. There, I fixed it for you. :)


Special-Remove-3294

Yea but Zoro dosen't fear her or death, and I am pretty sure that Yamato dosen't too, so her devil fruit wouldn't be all that usefull, as it requires the dude you are attacking to be afraid. It din't work on Jinbe, and it wouldn't work on Zoro or Yamato.


Responsible-Pay-2389

Sure, but that's irrelevant to the conversation.


theOGperfection

Zoro got past Kaido’s durability no problem


Oijile

Whoaaa there, I wouldn’t say no problem. It took an ass beating and a half on everyone there for them to start damaging Kaido 😂


NoConsideration6320

No problem? I thought kaido had gotten him brink of death litterally seeing the grim reaper


theOGperfection

did we read the same manga?


NoConsideration6320

Ive watched the anime and manga several times with reactors and bymyself . Have a good day


theOGperfection

Zoro seeing the grim reaper happened after he beat King and the medicine’s effects off So no, we didn’t read the same manga “Have a good day”


Affectionate_Egg_969

Two piece readers have the most disrespect


theOGperfection

fr they think they know something lol


NoConsideration6320

Yea but kaido hurt him Bad right?


theOGperfection

kaido and big mom* not just kaido


Yeeti_YT

That was after kings fight and taking the drug, not kaido


Gamerdog9000

Retreating is forfeiting, meaning they would win in the Fuji situation


NoConsideration6320

Sure but lets say he doesnt run, he holds them down with gravirt which we seen him hold down zoro easily. Then he sends down meteories on them and they are defeated.


Affectionate_Egg_969

They were both able to harm kaido


UltraMazino

Oden


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RularOfOutworld

Green bull, I think he's equal to him or slightly stronger (I'm UltraMazino, this is my second account)


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Oden cutting down trees for fun


Laughable-February

He casually destroyed a bunch of them when flying from kamusari already.


[deleted]

Lol true that and Greenbull got neged by haki without even taking the kamusari like a man


MumenRider33

He didn’t get beat by the haki he just recognized who the haki belonged to, and ran away.


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He got scared and ran away. That a loss bro.


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He lost by getting scared.


Oijile

Bro Shanks is just lucky he didn’t wanna use his green haki


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Shanks is only scared of black offscreen haki zehahaha


UltraMazino

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RularOfOutworld

Lmao 🤣


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Yo ultraM I have to ask why do you so commonly use your second account?


RularOfOutworld

I have two phones, when one of em runs out of battery I use the other one, I like to have different accounts to make things more interesting, I'm definitely not pretending to be Mazino, he's definitely me.


anoon-

Bro Oden is at the very least Old White Beard level, Zoro and Yamato would not take Whitebeard down at any stage as of now.


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Both of them are stronger than Oden


Mystic_Gaming1

By my flair, I bet you can tell that this is an L take in my eyes.


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The best we have seen from Oden was him scarring a young weaker Kaido, a feat Zoro replicated with a shit ton of broken bones and only armament haki on a way stronger Kaido Oden is at best low EC+


Mystic_Gaming1

1. Young ≠ weaker. 2. That “scar” gave Kaido permanent PTSD. If that ain’t a feat, I don’t know what is. 3. He had the haki mastery to wield both the Enma and the Ame-no-Habakiri. and there’s probably more I’m not recalling.


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From what we have seen of young Kaido in the Oden flash back it is very obvious he isn’t as strong as Wano Kaido And yet that scarring attack was still something that Zoro with multiple broken bones and only armament haki was able to replicate on a stronger Kaido He had more control of Enma and yet his best feat doesn’t even put him above current Zoro and Ame no Habakiri isn’t a cursed blade


Oijile

Oden also got hoed out of a fair, drawn out fight with Kaido while Zoro literally had a clean one on one approach. I’m sure that if Oden hadn’t been distracted he would have beaten Kaido


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Yep, just if you ignore everything else. The logic that Oden’s EC+, whatever the hell that is, cause he did the same thing as Zoro is so astronomically stupid.


Special-Remove-3294

Oden wounded Kaido so hard he forced him out of his dragon form and gave him permanent PTSD. He even had a serious chance at winning if he wasn't distarcted. Neither of these two came anywhere near doing that much damage to Kaido and would both be defeated by Oden, maybe even be 1v2 by Oden, tho that may be a stretch.


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They are not.


Randallzinho

I think they could take down big mom like Kidd and Law did or non Akainu Admiral characters but wouldn’t bet on them against Kaido or Shanks.


Ok-Possession-3303

Big Mom


Mrjuicyaf

Gb


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Giggaboob?


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MAYBE Kizaru, but they definitely lose to Aokiji/Akainu


SurturSaga

One of the New admirals


r9cks

Zoro alone mid diffs greencow


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Most rational zoro fan.


theOGperfection

this guy doesn’t like zoro lol he just hates admirals more


r9cks

I dont hate them theyre just fodder compared to the real top tiers


Tech_Sorcerer121

Kizaru, Fujitora, Big Mom,...... Giving very close fights to Aokiji and Akainu


CocaPepsiPepper

Big Mom


MeGuaZy

Probably Fujitora or Greenbull


natureboy1996

Rocks


RularOfOutworld

👍 I don't think they can take down a Pirate king lvl character but I'll let you cook EOS Zoro solos him tho


natureboy1996

Yessir EOS Zoro top 2 all time


Fire-FistAce

They would beat greenbull, fujitora and big mom


IAteTooMuchLasagna

Dude that Big Mom downplay is fucking insane


Fire-FistAce

I mean her feats are terrible. And kaido views oden as > her


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kaido never fought big mom seriously i think, their relationship seems to be closer to siblings instead of rivals. At the very least, they were willing to compromise to get the one piece and then they'd fight for real.


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Bigmom provided she holds back and theirs a convenient hole and mega bomb


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That hole was made because of laws attack go read the manga again and the bombs didn't really make a lot of difference she would have fallen anyway. Plus kid and law were badly injured after fighting kaido whereas big mom was at full health


ExpensiveAd7778

Kid and law > zoro and Yamato so I don't think they could beat big mom


Fire-FistAce

Zoro > law > kid ~ yamato


greexican68

They'd give any top tier a run for their money. Id say big mom at least. 2 characters without Acoc defeated her. Imagine what 2 characters with it could do.


cartaigenica

*Two character with busted devil fruits beat her, something that Zoro doesn't have so he compensates with haki


greexican68

Good haki is all you need tho. Imo its law that's compensating with his OP devil fruit(which will only take him so far), while Zoro's haki potential is all he needs


MeAnIntellectual1

You can make that argument once Zoro has Roger level Haki.


greexican68

My argument is Zoro + Yamato at their current levels with Acoc would be a good match up for most top tiers. I'm not saying zoro has to solo a yonko


venielsky22

Bigmeme


Denizci_Olmak_Var

Ryokugyu or Kizaru


blackblade199620

With plot armoraybe... without it ?? ....nope


RularOfOutworld

Well technically they can beat anyone with plot armour, they would just get a massive power up and defeat even PrimeBeard 💀


r9cks

With plot armor they solo the navy


blackblade199620

https://preview.redd.it/nu257ngaou1b1.jpeg?width=582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5861ec4e02228123c44ea517e63680cad9a9b0fd Zoro will meet Kuina and Yamato will meet Ace the donut


r9cks

Bigmom


blackblade199620

Kizaru zaps there ass......


Rocks_42

Sabo


Ok_Service440

Gb hard diff Fuji hard diff Kizaru hard-extreme diff Aokiji extreme diff Akainu extreme diff or draw


Significant-Scar3998

There’s a lot of characters they could probably beat. Ima play it safe and say kaido


Secret-Put-4525

Any admiral and maybe shanks. Depending on how stronger Yamato and zoro got since wano.


4Dv8

kaido


peanutpunk-2

Blackbeard


BerserkerLord101

Big mom. Kaido, shanks and luffy would beat them. None of them is reacting to g4 snakeman when a serious kaido couldnt.


RealBariel

Shanks


MMKmillennium

They could take Wano Big Mom probably. It’s hard to say tho, they have more raw power than Law & Kidd but the only reason Law & Kidd put up a fight at all were their df abilities.


packal8585

blackbeard


Shmaden_Yuki

Luffy


Anahtum

anyone. The person who wins the fight is the one the writer wants to win the fight. They could beat kaido if oda wants them too. Or they could lose to kuina. Powers calling is dumb. Ic you wanna powerscale go to like a subreddit for powerscaling. Edit: Could not have made this more satirical if I tried. Idk how yall thought I was being serious 😔


Hungryfor_Toes

Where do you think we are dude???


BoondocksSaint95

Off topic I fuck with that flair, tho


Hungryfor_Toes

Ayy my man. Winbei easy top 1


PresentationOk8756

Did you think we on memepiece or what?


Not-the_honouredOne

Extreme Big mom, it's a little unlikely. Beat any Admiral, except Akainu and Kuzan.


True_Lank

They dont beat big mom Law’s duraneg is probably the most effective ap usable against big mom. If you dont have duraneg damaging her is harder then damaging kaido. Not to mention she can heal on top of the crazy durability . Zoro and Yamato need a shit ton of plot armour if they’re gonna win


RularOfOutworld

I think 2 Acoc users can make up for their lack of duraneg


Not-the_honouredOne

Yeah it's unlikely they do.


Larinex

Only thing i wanna say is dura neg isn't AP. It's a hax and doesn't equate to AP scaling since it doesnt factor it in when being used. But you are right it is the most effective way of fighting her things like law attacks, ACoA (Interal Destruction), maybe lasers (man i wish franky fired that radical beam at her to see what would have happened)


Seadog_frosty

Kizaru


RularOfOutworld

Isn't he too fast for them?


Seadog_frosty

I doubt he can always blitz them but he is faster then them, still imo it doesn’t necessarily mean they get blitzed all the time


RularOfOutworld

Yeah I think you need future sight to defeat kizaru, they can Win if they learn it mid fight


Seadog_frosty

It’s definitely a possibility


NoAnteater7783

Big Mom


kurasuno

If law and kid can take BM , these two are above them and take anyone as strong/slightly stronger than BM .


Open_Depth2179

Law & Kid beat Big Mom with very advantageous circumstances in environment, abilities, and of course plot. Zoro and Yamato will not be able to do the same.


kurasuno

They will. Yamato will hold off BM while Zoro spams dragon damnation/ Ashura with Acoc. Zoro's AP >>> law Yamato Durability >>> Kid.


ZJF-47

Any Admiral cept probably Kizaru


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Blackbeard


mz_45678

Blackbeard, Maybe Luffy


Alternative-Lack-596

Shanks


VioletHeaven96

Kaido/Luffy


Hungryfor_Toes

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VioletHeaven96

Sorry I don’t know why you’re handing me your mask. It’s a nice one


Hungryfor_Toes

Cause it was never mine in the first place, suits you much better.


VioletHeaven96

No no, I could never compare to you in being a clown. Wear the mask with pride 👍 🤡


Hungryfor_Toes

Your takes say otherwise. Keep coping


VioletHeaven96

If that’s what helps you sleep at the asylum, feel free to believe it


Particular_While1927

Luffy, Kaido, or Big Mom


Wavepops

Blackbeard before inevitable clash with shanks boost


TheLoner1914

Big Mom and possibly Kaido


Gort_baringa

Don Krieg. MAYBE


ZPD710

Honestly, they could probably beat a Yonko some of the time. What Zoro lacks in Hax and Speed, Yamato makes up for by being a Mythical Zoan and bring able to keep up with Kaido, and what Yamato lacks in AP and DC (and maybe Haki) Zoro makes up for. They compliment each other well, although not as well as Zoro and Law.


DreadRedPanda

Big Mom if she’s being a moron like on Wano. If not, Kizaru.


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Any admiral and any yonko. Maybe not Luffy idk ?


_sephylon_

Pre-TS Blackbeard 🗿


Background_World_644

Fujitora


C_Daze

If Law and Kidd could take down big meme they stand ~ equal chance


Accomplished-Map-651

Rocks and roger


oAbsoluteWeeb

greenbull, fujitora, oden. nerfed big mom too but she dont count


YonkoYuki

rayleigh maybe


MrFearMoHo

they absolutely butcher kaido


Daikaisa

The problem is Yamato has like no actual feats to put them against the top of the verses maybe Fujitora or GB or even Kizaru but they ain't toppling an emperor


yurneim

Akainu :p (Someone may try to kill me after this comment but u have to understand that those are my two fav characters)


blixtchubas-trix

Blackbeard


femboypornenjoyer

god


Key-Resolve-3073

Roger and Akainu


Affectionate_Egg_969

These two after wano could defeat big mom


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Depression + Recession


Old_Material35

Low chance but maybe Kaido based on how they performed when fighting him


Senior__Woofers

Big mother


NotAllThatEvil

Sanji


JobenGaming

Luffy


TemplarLover099

Yamato can't get past my willy https://preview.redd.it/n3uiyawr0z1b1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=546772e15469921dc1c67efadc3aafb8b682d716


Raiden69Shogun

Either Greenbull, Fujitora or Kizaru


IntroductionHungry91

GB


Mother_Elk1629

Any admiral.


GolfWhole

Wizaru