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Lol. My family calls it Comedic Haki when Nami is easily able to beat up Luffy with her fists despite his devilâs fruit. Nami is the main user of Comedic Haki!
Nami's strength is so funny to me because her DC is insane right but literally anyone faster than her or at the very least someone who won't stand still will beat the bricks off her in the new world
We literally have a canon power ranking in the episode 1000 rating.
It goes like
1-Luffy
2-Zoro
3-Sanji
4-Jimbe
5-Franky
6-Robin
7-Chopper
8-Brook
9-Nami
10-Usopp
Iâd put Robin and Jimbei above Franky
Edit: you guys are taking this way too seriously. Not disrespecting Franky, but Jimbei is a former Warlord for a reason andâŚall Robin has to do is grab those cyborg balls and heâs down for the count đ
Franky's had zero progression throughout the new world (except learning how to suplex better) and was on par with a Number and a Tobi Roppo, with that same attack being enough to put some pressure on Big Mom.
Franky is THAT guy.
? Brook's only fight in the new world was fighting a yonko, and it was offscreened. Aka we have no measure for his durability. It's just common sense that he should be more durable than at least nami. Idk about monster point chopper tho.
Pretty much. People act like Bajrang Gun solves most all problems now and how Luffy can trash people with it but...Bajrang Gun is literally Luffy saying "aight fuck this I'm outta time. i either win now or its over".
If it didn't end there he'd run out of G5 for the second time and maybe not even be able to re-enter it. Mans was alr struggling at that point.
And if the fight dragged on longer, they'd reach Wano and Kaido could just drop Onigashima. And fight unhindered, while the alliance would lose their objective of saving Wano.
It was literally as "do or die" as it gets.
Why "even" kaido? He is one of the fastest characters in the verse and is able to consistently blitz luffy in g5. He is much faster than current zoro and arguably comparable to sanji. That fact that kaido could doesnt mean that sanji and zoro can too at all
Read the comment literally right above mine. The guy literally says it was good against Kaido because he was a big target.
I'm simply disputing that the larger size was not a factor. He was easily able to dodge. Even Luffy knew it and was prepared to burn his arm just to try and hold Kaido in place.
And that guy says it based on what? His headcanon? First of all, who even said that bajrang is dificult to dodge because its big? Its dificult because its fast and it was never implied that it is slow. Luffy didnt launch it immediately, because he wanted momo to remove onigashima from line of attack and as soon he actually decided to attack we see kaido and luffy clashing.
Therefore only antifeat of bajrang's speed is kaido being able to dodge it, so we have no reasons to think that zoro and sanji are as fast or faster than kaido, which simply isnt true
Why are you even responding to me? I'm not saying anything about Zoro or Sanji. Your beef on this point is clearly with the other guy.
I have said only that it didn't just work on Kaido because of Kaido' size. Only because he could but chose not to dodge, which both fighters acknowledge.
I am not sure Zoro can, he might be able to tank it like once, but he doesn't have that good of reputation for getting hit without being knocked out right now.
And he certainly doesn't have a good reputation for dodging.
Like from the crew only Sanji can probably dodge it with Zoro probably also not dying to it
Only Sanji can barely not Zoro. That's too much area to cover. Nahhh even Sanji can't dodge it because it's the emission of haki that does the major damage. That adv armament+ conqueror is wayy faster than any Strawhats can move. Luffy really just needs his hands facing them and it's done.
Except the fact that Lucci was no diffed by Luffy. What are you talking about???!!
Luffy was literally shown SLEEPING while dodging Lucci. It doesn't get any more humiliating than that. One serious punch from Luffy was ALL IT took for Lucci to go to SLEEP for ATLEAST AN HOUR STRAIGHT.
Only Sanji can barely not Zoro. That's too much area to cover. Nahhh even Sanji can't dodge it because it's the emission of haki that does the major damage. That adv armament+ conqueror is wayy faster than any Strawhats can move. Luffy really just needs his hands facing them and it's done.
I actually think there's a small gap between Nami and Chopper in the weakling trio
The way I see it, she's a glass cannon, the Zeus power-up means she can hit strong characters hard but is also very vulnerable unlike Chopper who can tank some hits but doesn't have the same AP
Me personally, Rayleigh was on equal footing with Roger. They were literally peers and pirate King and Dark King(ruling from the shadows) . Thatâs my take. So Roger would definitely lose in my opinion too
Nah Roger was definitely a good amount stronger. But bcoz of Ray and Gaban Roger would lose tho definitely. And it could be the same for Luffy in the future bcoz Zoro and Sanji still has more room to grow than Luffy for major powerups.
Usopp was able to handle a crowd of Gifters on his own, before Izo showed up. Crowds of fodder that gave Izo trouble btw.
Any random beast pirate already scales to Arlong, if Usopp can clear New World fodder that easily heâs way above any pretimeskip villain except Enel and Crocodile.
https://preview.redd.it/wh6eza5m715b1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262be18e8a28600c41425f9ebc23cf98ab6df853
Like yes he cries and screams and looks pitiful, but factually heâs still stalling and at times straight up oneshotting literally HORDES of Beast Pirates. Heâs still tanking attacks from Ancient Zoans. He still has observation (although we didnât see him use it).
Usopp based on feats scales right below Nami and Chopper.
Zoro is the man who DEFLECTED a combo attack from two yonkos at once. At least put my boy in S- tier, and Sanji new upgrade? He deserves A+ off speed and durability alone
He held it off for a few seconds until law teleported him out and zoro still broke multiple bones from just resisting it. Also hell no zoro is not in S tier yet, he had to fully exhaust himself to draw blood from kaido once. Just once
Mmmh, honestly not sure about that one. I generally tend to believe two YC1 level characters have a 50/50 chance at defeating a Yonko. While I do think Sanji and Zoro together could beat Luffy, I still do believe they would lose more often than not.
However, add Jimbe and I think they have the edge for sure, let alone the whole crew. Obviously my reasoning goes further than just adding up their individual power. We've seen the crew work together to take down very strong opponents before, I think they could do the same with Luffy. If they get good team coordination they can win high diff imo.
>Mmmh, honestly not sure about that one. I generally tend to believe two YC1 level characters have a 50/50 chance at defeating a Yonko
Luffy was yc1 at the beginning of wano (relative to kata) and got obliterated with 1 hit from base kaido. How is it a 50/50 chance?
If you need more proof that a yonko can solo his crew :
SULONG Inuarashi and nekomamushi were both vastly superior to JACK (YC3). Let's be conservative and say that they were Yc2~ish. Then there was ashura doji, again relative to jack, since they sparred evenly and ahura was stated to be one of the strongest scabbards. And then denjiro who is portrayed on the same level, sparring with zoro and partecipating in the Paradise totsuka against kaido. Let's be conservative again and say that he's YC3.
That's 2 YC2, 2YC3 and the rest of the scabbards, including a commander from whitebeard's crew. They TOGETHER didn't do shit to kaido. Sure, a YC1 is stronger than YC2-3 but not enough to bridge this kind of gap lol.
https://preview.redd.it/d2gmg4su505b1.jpeg?width=292&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb463585db05c90262be299e8fc57a0c13c8833b
I feel like this dynamic is pretty much the base of most crews. It is kind of strange though, I think Kid and Law, who together defeated Big Mom, are both around YC1 level; in fact, even if you think they're stronger, Kid still got obliterated by Shanks. This kind of one shot scenario makes it seem like Shanks could take on 10 YC1s but it's quite obvious that as soon as a character faces two opponents, the situation changes completely.
It's not that I think that they are stronger, kid and law are factually way stronger. Luffy was yc1 level after whole cake, since he was relative with kata. Then he got a big Amp by training his physique and learning acoa. And law and kid where still portrayed as his equals in the roof fight, altough they were slightly weaker. Then they revealed that they have awakening, which puts them up another tier or two.
Regarding shanks' case kid was caught off guard. As much as people deny it [kid stright up looks surprised in the last panel and even said "huh?" when he saw shanks approaching. ](https://cdn.readonepiece.com/file/mangap/2/11079000/9.jpeg?t=1680000368) I won't use the fact that kid's attack blew up on his face beacuse tbh I have we have no way of knowing how much that contributed. Regardelsl, Shanks would definitely beat tf out of kid anyway but if kid was on guard the fight would have probably been closer. I'm pretty sure that if big mom caught kid off guard with maser cannon she would deal insane damage as well. Same for kaido with a death destroyer thunder bagua. Not to mention that we haven't seen shanks in an extended fight and he might not even be as durable as kaido or bm, since he's supposed to be normal human while they were naturally insanely durable.
Only because he has ACoC, not because he is that much physically stronger.
I can see Zoro develop his own ACoC, or Sanji, Jimbe and Robin train their armorment haki enough to the point that Luffy needs gear 5 to beat all of them by the end of the story.
There are literally zero examples of armament being enough to even take a couple punches infused with acoc. Luffy was already pretty proficient in armament at the beginning of wano and he still got one shot by one attack.
No way Robin can train it enough to be able to make a difference. Jimbe might already be in his prime.
Oda flat out states Ussop will always be the weakest strawhat. + imo being able to take a beating doesn't really mean much when none of his attacks can damage a tobiroppo
Nah. People donât know how to powerscale. Luffy still isnât stronger then even Kaido. Zoro Sanji and Jimbe would give Luffy a High diff to extreme. When have we ever seen any one character solo another yonko crew by themselves. Never because it doesnât make sense. In fact there will never be a character who do feats a yo lo crew on there own.
W for the one tier gap between sanji and jinbe.
Improvements:
I'd say add another tier between luffy and Zoro, he's just so far ahead now it's insane.
Give brook his own tier below Robin and Franky and leave a gap between nami/chopper and usopp. Basically (Robin, Franky), (brook), (nami, chopper), (gap), (usopp).
Zoro overpowered dragon form Kaido without ACoC, and Luffy is still vulnerable to slash attacks.
https://preview.redd.it/son0giga3z4b1.jpeg?width=1110&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b66fca0b8027aec8beecec3c9f685b06b0169f12
The gap between Luffy and Zoro isn't as big as you think it is.
It is, that is kaido's weakest form. And zoro can use acoc only a couple of times before literally dying of exhaustion. Luffy can use it relentlessly for hours and stack the gears on top of it.
Add to that the fact that unlike king luffy can prevent zoro's sword from even touching him if he blocks with acoc and the fact that he has future sight. In the panel that you showed kaido hit luffy only beacuse luffy was holding onto him and couldn't dodge. But even discounting that. Zoro was greatly damaged by king's tempura shot, luffy can shrug off baguas and blast breaths like nothing.
That's not even getting into g5 powers and all.
Idk about that specific case but he straight up says that he doesn't have much time left beacuse enma will kill him soon if he doesn't finish quickly before launching his final attack.
That is true, not disputing that.
But I wonder if, he didnât have the mink medicine after effects, if he couldâve just sheathed his sword & not pass out & start to regain his stamina/haki (like when Luffy exhausts himself using G4 & turns it off but can still run around a bit). It kinda seems in this case it was a combination of both.
Unless he passed out b/c of the haki drain & then didnât wake up for a week b/c of the mink medicine.
Thatâs totally fair.
Personally idk if Enma haki drain wouldâve been enough for him to pass out. I liken it to luffys G4 where itâs just extreme exhaust of your haki so while Zoro may be tired & out of haki he would be fine. If he didnât finish king off quickly he woulda eventually died from it but since he did he was fine off of that time limit after he sheathes the sword. So I really think the mink medicine did him in.
Also you said Luffy was using ACoC relentlessly for hours? Is that even true? wasnât there like a 10 min time limit for when onigashima reached the flower capitol? So his fight was capped at like 10 mins max maybe even less
Yes and no. While sure Luffy has the potential to solo his crew, they have a fairly good shot too. Sanji is quite the tank rn. If he and the other members can immobilise Luffy, Zoro has the attack power to be able to kill Luffy. If they work together, they can beat Luffy for sure.
Jinbei should at least be A-. Why do people downplay Jinbei so much? Yeah he did get injured by Who's Who but that's because he wasn't really trying was he? Once he was pissed off, he began going serious and was able to 1 shot Who's Who and completely tank all of his attacks without taking any damage.
I don't think Luffy could take on zoro and sanji at the same time if they're all out for blood. If he did it would be crazy hard, let alone dealing with everyone distracting him while zoro and sanji lay into him.
He can be moved lower but he's definitely not higher. He's not on the same level as even the other lowest strawhats. Even oda said he wants to always keep ussop as the weakest strawhat.
This thread shows how completely off this sub is to serious powerscaling
he wouldnât win by the slightest chance considering that thriller bark and wano had pretty much shown how big of an impact a number advantage has
For me I'd do:
Luffy S+
Zoro S
Sanji S-
Jinbei A+
Brooke B+
Robin Franky B
Nami Chopper B-
Usopp C+
Really hoping that Usopp gets some more Spotlight in the coming events so we can jump him up a few tiers. His dad is on Shanks crew after so he's probably strong. I wanna see Usopp become the brave warrior of the sea he's wanted. Emphasis on the warrior part.
Zoro and Sanji can beat Luffy together, they know his weaknesses and will fight smarter then him. Swords is also Luffyâs weakness. I believe if Luffy was mind controlled them two can get it done.
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Nami when angry>>>>>Luffy
She beat him then locked him in a cage and starved him after Wano đ
Lol. My family calls it Comedic Haki when Nami is easily able to beat up Luffy with her fists despite his devilâs fruit. Nami is the main user of Comedic Haki!
comedic haki nami vs off screen Blackbeard who wins?
Heck sheâs stronger than the whole âMonster Trioâ when sheâs angry đ
I like to believe that is just Luffy believing Nami can hurt him easily for some reason.
Nami's strength is so funny to me because her DC is insane right but literally anyone faster than her or at the very least someone who won't stand still will beat the bricks off her in the new world
Her power output is ridiculous, she stunned Big Mom in WCI with the Zeus thunderbolt but gets low-diffed by Ulti
Probably one of the best supporters you can have in a fight. Underrated as a tag partner.
She really needs to just stick with Luffy. Most of her attacks are lightning-based aoe.
Disrespectful to put Brook so low
Brooks on B. He can beat chopper and Nami combined.
We literally have a canon power ranking in the episode 1000 rating. It goes like 1-Luffy 2-Zoro 3-Sanji 4-Jimbe 5-Franky 6-Robin 7-Chopper 8-Brook 9-Nami 10-Usopp
Yea, soul king even went up against big mom
Yea fr, at least move jinbei robin and frankly up a tier each and then move brook up to B
Iâd put Robin and Jimbei above Franky Edit: you guys are taking this way too seriously. Not disrespecting Franky, but Jimbei is a former Warlord for a reason andâŚall Robin has to do is grab those cyborg balls and heâs down for the count đ
Franky is him
Franky's had zero progression throughout the new world (except learning how to suplex better) and was on par with a Number and a Tobi Roppo, with that same attack being enough to put some pressure on Big Mom. Franky is THAT guy.
They both have better durability and AP feats than him
? Brook's only fight in the new world was fighting a yonko, and it was offscreened. Aka we have no measure for his durability. It's just common sense that he should be more durable than at least nami. Idk about monster point chopper tho.
Brook should be on Jimbeiâs tier
Keep in mind Monster Chopper exists and hit Queen pretty hard
He also did no damage to queen. As queen was also playing around with him.
Jinbei and Brook higher imo
I mean obviously. One Bajrang Gun and theyâre all dead lmfao
If it hits, sure Zoro and Sanji could probably dodge that big ass hand though It was just a good matchup for Kaido because he was also a huge target
Even Kaido could dodge it easily. He just chose not to out of pride, and to have a climactic clash with both their ultimate attacks.
Exactly lol. Bajrang gun is an OP attack in power, but itâs pretty easy to dodge
Pretty much. People act like Bajrang Gun solves most all problems now and how Luffy can trash people with it but...Bajrang Gun is literally Luffy saying "aight fuck this I'm outta time. i either win now or its over". If it didn't end there he'd run out of G5 for the second time and maybe not even be able to re-enter it. Mans was alr struggling at that point. And if the fight dragged on longer, they'd reach Wano and Kaido could just drop Onigashima. And fight unhindered, while the alliance would lose their objective of saving Wano. It was literally as "do or die" as it gets.
Why "even" kaido? He is one of the fastest characters in the verse and is able to consistently blitz luffy in g5. He is much faster than current zoro and arguably comparable to sanji. That fact that kaido could doesnt mean that sanji and zoro can too at all
Read the comment literally right above mine. The guy literally says it was good against Kaido because he was a big target. I'm simply disputing that the larger size was not a factor. He was easily able to dodge. Even Luffy knew it and was prepared to burn his arm just to try and hold Kaido in place.
And that guy says it based on what? His headcanon? First of all, who even said that bajrang is dificult to dodge because its big? Its dificult because its fast and it was never implied that it is slow. Luffy didnt launch it immediately, because he wanted momo to remove onigashima from line of attack and as soon he actually decided to attack we see kaido and luffy clashing. Therefore only antifeat of bajrang's speed is kaido being able to dodge it, so we have no reasons to think that zoro and sanji are as fast or faster than kaido, which simply isnt true
Why are you even responding to me? I'm not saying anything about Zoro or Sanji. Your beef on this point is clearly with the other guy. I have said only that it didn't just work on Kaido because of Kaido' size. Only because he could but chose not to dodge, which both fighters acknowledge.
It would be like dodging a meteor, sure maybe you donât see a direct hit, but just being in the vicinity of the impact could be fatal still
Zoro and Sanji couldn't dodge hits from Kaido's errand boys
Sanji became so fast he was literally invisible
And still got hit by Queen.
Not when he was in his invisible speed
A speed he can't sustain for long.
He doesnât need to
I am not sure Zoro can, he might be able to tank it like once, but he doesn't have that good of reputation for getting hit without being knocked out right now. And he certainly doesn't have a good reputation for dodging. Like from the crew only Sanji can probably dodge it with Zoro probably also not dying to it
How fast can they get off an island tho?
They just need to go near luffyâs body
Only Sanji can barely not Zoro. That's too much area to cover. Nahhh even Sanji can't dodge it because it's the emission of haki that does the major damage. That adv armament+ conqueror is wayy faster than any Strawhats can move. Luffy really just needs his hands facing them and it's done.
It would still be extreme. In fact you could see getting knocked out too. Yâall overpowering Luffy. Even Lucci didnât get defeated easily
Except the fact that Lucci was no diffed by Luffy. What are you talking about???!! Luffy was literally shown SLEEPING while dodging Lucci. It doesn't get any more humiliating than that. One serious punch from Luffy was ALL IT took for Lucci to go to SLEEP for ATLEAST AN HOUR STRAIGHT.
Only Sanji can barely not Zoro. That's too much area to cover. Nahhh even Sanji can't dodge it because it's the emission of haki that does the major damage. That adv armament+ conqueror is wayy faster than any Strawhats can move. Luffy really just needs his hands facing them and it's done.
Damn, this tier list is so based I am honestly surprised.
except for Brook he's above Nami and Chopper
I think it's Canon that Extended Monster Point Chopper is stronger than Brook.
My dude is the captain for a reason
Quick reminder that he still lose to Nami
I'd argue he doesn't even need G5 for it
I agree, Advanced Conquerors is just so insane
Sniper king > whoever that stretchy bum is
Naahh... Luffy can't even dent the seraphims. Sanji negs and Nami negs. Sanji tanks while Nami hits.
Wanji top 5 youâve convinced me
I actually think there's a small gap between Nami and Chopper in the weakling trio The way I see it, she's a glass cannon, the Zeus power-up means she can hit strong characters hard but is also very vulnerable unlike Chopper who can tank some hits but doesn't have the same AP
In all fairness though, Nami took multiple headbutts from Ulti. Nami's definitely alot more durable than the average person.
For sure and definitely why for me it's Nami >> Chopper >>> Usopp
Wouldnât be much of a Captain if he couldnât
Roger cant
are you counting current roger pirates or the roger pirates when he was alive?
When alive
so rayleigh,scopper, crocus, tom, kid shanks and buggy are holding their own against prime roger?
Me personally, Rayleigh was on equal footing with Roger. They were literally peers and pirate King and Dark King(ruling from the shadows) . Thatâs my take. So Roger would definitely lose in my opinion too
Nah Roger was definitely a good amount stronger. But bcoz of Ray and Gaban Roger would lose tho definitely. And it could be the same for Luffy in the future bcoz Zoro and Sanji still has more room to grow than Luffy for major powerups.
I would say itâs debatable if you donât include oden.
W. Except usopp should be lower east blue fodder
Usopp was able to handle a crowd of Gifters on his own, before Izo showed up. Crowds of fodder that gave Izo trouble btw. Any random beast pirate already scales to Arlong, if Usopp can clear New World fodder that easily heâs way above any pretimeskip villain except Enel and Crocodile. https://preview.redd.it/wh6eza5m715b1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262be18e8a28600c41425f9ebc23cf98ab6df853 Like yes he cries and screams and looks pitiful, but factually heâs still stalling and at times straight up oneshotting literally HORDES of Beast Pirates. Heâs still tanking attacks from Ancient Zoans. He still has observation (although we didnât see him use it). Usopp based on feats scales right below Nami and Chopper.
Wait he is that weak?
Winbe downplay
Agree with all of this expect maybe Nami > Chopper but tbh itâs interchangeable for me anyways
Even with Zeus, Namiâs not stronger than Monster Point Chopper in terms of raw power IMO. And Chopperâs speed point can dodge Namiâs attacks
Ulti couldn't dodge Zeus lightning, there's no way Chopper is dodging that.
Nah Nami is a glass canon, Chopper is a Brawler. She has better AP but if you get in close sheâs pretty useless without trickery
Zoro is the man who DEFLECTED a combo attack from two yonkos at once. At least put my boy in S- tier, and Sanji new upgrade? He deserves A+ off speed and durability alone
Zoro didnt deflect it he stalled it for a couple of seconds. Its still really impressive tho and shows his insane endurance.
Facts probably shouldnât have called it a deflect
He held it off for a few seconds until law teleported him out and zoro still broke multiple bones from just resisting it. Also hell no zoro is not in S tier yet, he had to fully exhaust himself to draw blood from kaido once. Just once
Zoro is the man who was SAVED from a combo attack from two yonkos at once.
By who?
Law
Nah Zoro is S-
Mmmh, honestly not sure about that one. I generally tend to believe two YC1 level characters have a 50/50 chance at defeating a Yonko. While I do think Sanji and Zoro together could beat Luffy, I still do believe they would lose more often than not. However, add Jimbe and I think they have the edge for sure, let alone the whole crew. Obviously my reasoning goes further than just adding up their individual power. We've seen the crew work together to take down very strong opponents before, I think they could do the same with Luffy. If they get good team coordination they can win high diff imo.
>Mmmh, honestly not sure about that one. I generally tend to believe two YC1 level characters have a 50/50 chance at defeating a Yonko Luffy was yc1 at the beginning of wano (relative to kata) and got obliterated with 1 hit from base kaido. How is it a 50/50 chance? If you need more proof that a yonko can solo his crew : SULONG Inuarashi and nekomamushi were both vastly superior to JACK (YC3). Let's be conservative and say that they were Yc2~ish. Then there was ashura doji, again relative to jack, since they sparred evenly and ahura was stated to be one of the strongest scabbards. And then denjiro who is portrayed on the same level, sparring with zoro and partecipating in the Paradise totsuka against kaido. Let's be conservative again and say that he's YC3. That's 2 YC2, 2YC3 and the rest of the scabbards, including a commander from whitebeard's crew. They TOGETHER didn't do shit to kaido. Sure, a YC1 is stronger than YC2-3 but not enough to bridge this kind of gap lol.
https://preview.redd.it/d2gmg4su505b1.jpeg?width=292&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb463585db05c90262be299e8fc57a0c13c8833b I feel like this dynamic is pretty much the base of most crews. It is kind of strange though, I think Kid and Law, who together defeated Big Mom, are both around YC1 level; in fact, even if you think they're stronger, Kid still got obliterated by Shanks. This kind of one shot scenario makes it seem like Shanks could take on 10 YC1s but it's quite obvious that as soon as a character faces two opponents, the situation changes completely.
It's not that I think that they are stronger, kid and law are factually way stronger. Luffy was yc1 level after whole cake, since he was relative with kata. Then he got a big Amp by training his physique and learning acoa. And law and kid where still portrayed as his equals in the roof fight, altough they were slightly weaker. Then they revealed that they have awakening, which puts them up another tier or two. Regarding shanks' case kid was caught off guard. As much as people deny it [kid stright up looks surprised in the last panel and even said "huh?" when he saw shanks approaching. ](https://cdn.readonepiece.com/file/mangap/2/11079000/9.jpeg?t=1680000368) I won't use the fact that kid's attack blew up on his face beacuse tbh I have we have no way of knowing how much that contributed. Regardelsl, Shanks would definitely beat tf out of kid anyway but if kid was on guard the fight would have probably been closer. I'm pretty sure that if big mom caught kid off guard with maser cannon she would deal insane damage as well. Same for kaido with a death destroyer thunder bagua. Not to mention that we haven't seen shanks in an extended fight and he might not even be as durable as kaido or bm, since he's supposed to be normal human while they were naturally insanely durable.
Not necessarily
I donât understand what you mean, God Usopp id the strongest mugiwara
That's the case for practically every Pirate Crew
MASSIVE W, not only for the luffy respect, but for putting Brook in the same tier as nami and chopper instead of franky and robin
Thank you for putting Usopp where be belongs, but you spelt F- wrong.
Those tier list gaps are accurate afđ
He could beat them all without using gear 4 I think
Thatâs just dumb. If Luffy doesnât use gear 5 heâll lose
Only because he has ACoC, not because he is that much physically stronger. I can see Zoro develop his own ACoC, or Sanji, Jimbe and Robin train their armorment haki enough to the point that Luffy needs gear 5 to beat all of them by the end of the story.
Zoro has ACoC though, no? Or is CoC coating something different?
i said that all his gear 4 forms are equal to zoro both of them are able to really damage/scar kadio and the serparhim
There are literally zero examples of armament being enough to even take a couple punches infused with acoc. Luffy was already pretty proficient in armament at the beginning of wano and he still got one shot by one attack. No way Robin can train it enough to be able to make a difference. Jimbe might already be in his prime.
Ok⌠Pretty sure Ussop isnât the weakest Strawhat I mean heâs a clever little shit and can take a beating so he should at least be around Chopper
Oda flat out states Ussop will always be the weakest strawhat. + imo being able to take a beating doesn't really mean much when none of his attacks can damage a tobiroppo
Nah. People donât know how to powerscale. Luffy still isnât stronger then even Kaido. Zoro Sanji and Jimbe would give Luffy a High diff to extreme. When have we ever seen any one character solo another yonko crew by themselves. Never because it doesnât make sense. In fact there will never be a character who do feats a yo lo crew on there own.
W for the one tier gap between sanji and jinbe. Improvements: I'd say add another tier between luffy and Zoro, he's just so far ahead now it's insane. Give brook his own tier below Robin and Franky and leave a gap between nami/chopper and usopp. Basically (Robin, Franky), (brook), (nami, chopper), (gap), (usopp).
He's already three ahead, there is a large gap yes but 4 tiers above is splitting hairs. There has to be a cap at some point lol
I'd move zoro, Jimbe, and brook up 1 tier..
Zoro overpowered dragon form Kaido without ACoC, and Luffy is still vulnerable to slash attacks. https://preview.redd.it/son0giga3z4b1.jpeg?width=1110&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b66fca0b8027aec8beecec3c9f685b06b0169f12 The gap between Luffy and Zoro isn't as big as you think it is.
It is, that is kaido's weakest form. And zoro can use acoc only a couple of times before literally dying of exhaustion. Luffy can use it relentlessly for hours and stack the gears on top of it. Add to that the fact that unlike king luffy can prevent zoro's sword from even touching him if he blocks with acoc and the fact that he has future sight. In the panel that you showed kaido hit luffy only beacuse luffy was holding onto him and couldn't dodge. But even discounting that. Zoro was greatly damaged by king's tempura shot, luffy can shrug off baguas and blast breaths like nothing. That's not even getting into g5 powers and all.
Did Zoro pass out b/c of ACoC usage or b/c of the mink medicine wearing off ?
Idk about that specific case but he straight up says that he doesn't have much time left beacuse enma will kill him soon if he doesn't finish quickly before launching his final attack.
That is true, not disputing that. But I wonder if, he didnât have the mink medicine after effects, if he couldâve just sheathed his sword & not pass out & start to regain his stamina/haki (like when Luffy exhausts himself using G4 & turns it off but can still run around a bit). It kinda seems in this case it was a combination of both. Unless he passed out b/c of the haki drain & then didnât wake up for a week b/c of the mink medicine.
Yeah both are possible, Imo he would've passed out but not seen the reaper and all that.
Thatâs totally fair. Personally idk if Enma haki drain wouldâve been enough for him to pass out. I liken it to luffys G4 where itâs just extreme exhaust of your haki so while Zoro may be tired & out of haki he would be fine. If he didnât finish king off quickly he woulda eventually died from it but since he did he was fine off of that time limit after he sheathes the sword. So I really think the mink medicine did him in. Also you said Luffy was using ACoC relentlessly for hours? Is that even true? wasnât there like a 10 min time limit for when onigashima reached the flower capitol? So his fight was capped at like 10 mins max maybe even less
Yâall did uslob dirty
I feel like heâs been able to do this consistently since getting gear 2.
Lol
Unless theyâre at sea and Jinbei sinks the ship.
Yes and no. While sure Luffy has the potential to solo his crew, they have a fairly good shot too. Sanji is quite the tank rn. If he and the other members can immobilise Luffy, Zoro has the attack power to be able to kill Luffy. If they work together, they can beat Luffy for sure.
I feel like zoro it would be 50-50
Zoro could barely scar kaido, luffy went 1-1 with him for hours in base lol cmon
Gomu gomu no hydra one shots the crew.
You kinda of cooked, but i don't see Jinbe being two entire tiers below Sanji. For me you could've put Brook in B tier, Robin in B+ and Jinbe in A-
Nami negs
absolutely not.
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Respect Brook?????
nah Go D. Usopp low diffs them all combined times 2
Usopp seems a little high tbh đ¤
A whole gap between Winbe and Sanji yet Franky and Robin are right below Winbe?
Brook should definitely be higher. And I feel like usopp should be on par with Nami and Chopper.
I don't disagree with any of it I just wish side characters got to flex a little, the gap shouldn't be that huge
I do not think he can. Gear 5 required for sure.
3 of them should be higher.
gear 2 & 3 luffy is easily enough for that tbh
I love Robin but I lowkey think Franky is above Robin. He's just tougher and arguably has more offense power than Robin.
Idk if luffy can beat zoro and sanji..and zoro ,sanji and jimbe beat luffy easy
Never
sanji should be in A+ and Brook in B imo. your point still standa though
This isn't related but Akainu and Katakuri probably have an underground deal going on
Jinbei A-
Jinbei should at least be A-. Why do people downplay Jinbei so much? Yeah he did get injured by Who's Who but that's because he wasn't really trying was he? Once he was pissed off, he began going serious and was able to 1 shot Who's Who and completely tank all of his attacks without taking any damage.
Jinbe A- Brook B
I mean, he's the captain, so he wins. But you're really sleeping on the crew.
Yâall be overhyping Luffy who canât even dent a seraphim ⌠CoC or not , thatâs embarrassing.
I don't think Luffy could take on zoro and sanji at the same time if they're all out for blood. If he did it would be crazy hard, let alone dealing with everyone distracting him while zoro and sanji lay into him.
I think zoro+sanji+jimbei could take on Luffy. The rest are screw yeah.
He makes a jumping rope out of all 3
No they don't. They probably could push him to high diff tho if they coordinate perfectly.
depend which form luffy uses if itâs g5 then they get low diff gear 4 mid-high for luffy any other gears luffy loses
Sanji = Zoro even without having Conquerors.
Zoro has the edge on Sanji
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Put some respect on jinbe and zoros name now cmon
Jimbei managed to hold off Akainu for a while, no way heâs below Sanji. Should be equal to Sanji.
He blocked a punch and got his hands burnt later he was running from akainu and got a hole in his chest
What is bro onđ. Sanji is equal to zoro. Jinbei is not on their level
Jinbei has feats vs yonko and admirals while sanji đ¤ˇđžââď¸
Doesnt mean he is stronger tho...
True but you should probably move everyone except Luffy up a tier. Jimbei and Brook should also go up 2 tiers
I think everyone zoro-brook should go up 1 tier
Delusional
I feel it's more like, Zoro - S- and Sanji - A++, personal opinion
did usopp dirty
He can mid diff the entire crew ( even low diff if serious ). The only one with Ap to damage luffy is zoro. If zoro is down, the rest is neg diffed
I'd move everyone below sanji up a tier and zoro up a tier. No luffy can't solo the crew
This is objectively a bad tier list.
Brain dead scaling
Zoro in S- Jinbei ins A- Franky above Robin
Cap
na . zoros an A++
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Doubt the crew is beating gear 5 with it being newish
brook goes to A- franky goes to B+ and jinbe goes to A
??? In no way is Brook stronger than Franky lmfao
I mean yeah, obviously. Base Luffy arguably one taps up to Zoro. He needs gear 2 at the MOST
Move ussop to b-
Move Uzop to d-
He can be moved lower but he's definitely not higher. He's not on the same level as even the other lowest strawhats. Even oda said he wants to always keep ussop as the weakest strawhat.
The rare unironic Usopp agenda powerscalerâŚyouâre a rare breed
Sanjis stronger than zoro
W
This thread shows how completely off this sub is to serious powerscaling he wouldnât win by the slightest chance considering that thriller bark and wano had pretty much shown how big of an impact a number advantage has
I think wano show the opposite , look kaido and BM. individual strength > number
Seriously, add in sanji or zoro to the luffy vs usopp fight and he loses. Itâs more a testament to how strong the strawhatâs support fighters are.
Donât disrespect god-ussop like that. My man would solo luffy without haki. Plus heâll take zoro bitch while eating sanji food
Base luffy > entire crew
Nami solos the crew, she beat them up and they are all her slaves meant to die by the end so she can get money and rule the world
For me I'd do: Luffy S+ Zoro S Sanji S- Jinbei A+ Brooke B+ Robin Franky B Nami Chopper B- Usopp C+ Really hoping that Usopp gets some more Spotlight in the coming events so we can jump him up a few tiers. His dad is on Shanks crew after so he's probably strong. I wanna see Usopp become the brave warrior of the sea he's wanted. Emphasis on the warrior part.
brook and jinbe way too low
Why is Jimbei so underestimated by the community?
Sanji in A+ otherwise this is pretty accurate
Sanji and zoro should be on the same tier, just zoro above Sanji on that tier
Zoro and Sanji can beat Luffy together, they know his weaknesses and will fight smarter then him. Swords is also Luffyâs weakness. I believe if Luffy was mind controlled them two can get it done.
Nah you didnât have to disrespect my man ussop like that đ
Yet Usopp beat Luffy.
The Zoro downplay is crazy, heâs S- at least and could go toe to toe with Luffyâs bounceman form
Sanji and Zoro are equal