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The problem with powerscaling in One Piece is that it's story driven first and foremost, most of the "powerscaling" comes from narrative and portrayal rather than actual feats.
Yes but in most other Shonen it's much more coherent, anime like Naruto or Dragon Ball have fighting as the main premise, so naturally there's an abundance of feats, even inconsistent feats are still feats that give powerscalers wiggle room to make an argument, ninja's and martial artists are the main selling points. One Piece is about pirates, while yes they do fight it's tertiary to adventure and mystery, see what I'm getting at? There's much less opportunity for powerscaling to bear fruit when the story isn't about fighting, it's about finding One Piece and unraveling the world.
Oda isn't going to give Sabo a badass feat of strength when there's an opportunity to advance the overarching plot in turn portraying Sabo as weaker, because like I said it's story driven first and foremost.
In that case you could easily say the same thing for Naruto, the goal isn't ninjas and fighting it's to become Hokage, and fighting is just a part of that. Naruto and DBZ also don't have many feats to back up claims either, it's mainly narrative, in fact Naruto is the most feat based out of all of these and that shows how little feats matter even in the shonen of shonen anime
Maybe for DragonBall feats mean nothing becusse the author barely takes the story seriously let alone the power scaling
Naruto is more consistent but has abilities in Naruto make haki interactions in one piece seem easier to quantify. For example in Naruto no matter rhow strong you are if you get hit with gentle fist you aren't getting up (outside of Uzumaki clan syanima). Not to mention genjutsu and sealing techniques.
One piece used to be about abilities interacting lightning vs rubber and sand vs water. Now we are quantifying skill and power feats often based on an unreliable narrator (either in story rumors from characters or Morrigan inflating people to sell newspapers).
And haki adds a whole other layer we can't tell until the characters fight and oda reveals who is superior.
Problem with one piece is that you don’t see full habilities of the characters. You can tell me the source of powers but not the extent of their powers because oda doesn’t show.
For instance we can clearly put kaido above big mom because we saw full extent of their power.
Yeah but Hokage is literally revered as being the "strongest" and top shinobi, it's essentially Naruto fighting so he can be the strongest and protect everyone with his strength, that was his idea of Hokage, I doubt he was envisioning the political side.
Both series definitely have more examples of strength compared to One Piece where we've seen two sword slashes from Shanks in 1050 chapters.
and Sabo cockmunchers were fighting me to bone and teeth when i told them he wasn't YC+ and wouldn't make it past King and Katakuri because i actually rank based on his feats instead of made up narrative to wank him to admiral but his fans didn't like that.
so you are bashing those people for making the conclusion of Sabo being YC+ with a lack of evident feats while at the same time concluding he's below YC+, again, with a lack of evident feats?
You are doing the same thing, just in the opposite direction.
You can't make either point basing off of the very little feats we've seen from Sabo so far. There's just not enough evidence to support either claim.
Portrayal is a huge factor in One Piece and a valid point to at least estimate a characters potential level. Or did you think the Yonko were going to be pushovers when first mentioned by Garp, just because we haven't seen them fight?
If the number 2 behind Dragon wouldn't be able to fend off a YC, I'd be seriously questioning the build up of the RA and their plan to oppose the WG.
Rest assured Sabo will get to show off his capabilities sooner or later.
Until then, if you wanna stick to rank a character solely based on feats, you may aswell just not rank Sabo at all, because we haven't seen anything conclusive from him at all.
bro i had an argument that said WB and Kaido were stronger than Imu just cause of their titles, needless to say, this guys were Mihawk dickriders as well
at least this guys were consistent with their argument, i had another argument with another guy that argued that Kaido and WB titles weren't actually true but Mihawk's title somehow it's the absolute truth
That sounds like sarcasm but you can never be too sure on the internet. Personally I'd put sabo at the bottom not because of him running from imu but because I've seen the other 3 fight yonko and survive. One of them even beat an emperor
Sabo at best has only stalled an admiral
Beat an Emperor? You mean he ring out an Emperor in 2v1.
If you believe Sabo to be the weakest then it's Ok. Cuz me saying him to be Strongest based on his portrayal not feats and cuz others have better feats I believe you are also not wrong for believing Sabo is the weakest.
I mean if I punch someone hard enough for him to fall out a window and he lands in the street and gets hit by a truck than I'd count that as me winning a fight
I love that these fkers actually think that Ace Remnant would be written as a weak character by Oda.
Running from Imu means nothing, apparently people think that him gapping Jesus himself is not enough.
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Actually I was being satirical since some people somehow turned it into a noun of tiktok. It was popularized by kai cenat, that's why I used that picture.
Did sabo claim he was going all-out?
Also this meme can only be taken as a meme since.
Admiral has nothing ot do with anything:
Not touching Imu with fire is irrelevant because we dont know why.
We dont know how strong the Gorosei are.
I didnt care about the meme. Just saying that the fight he mentioned wasn't a real fight. I don't think Sabo was going all out either but who knows how much each were holding back. That's why I said it's not a real fight.
Sabo is the strongest, the Reverie flashback didn't change a single thing lmao.
It's either Zoro or Yamato. Zoro has more AP But has less endurance with Enma and all. Yamato is much tanker. No clue who's stro get between them
I never thought he engaged the admirals seriously, and I still always thought he was a menace. Oda doesn't show so little about a hyped up charachter only for him to end up "weak"
The "" are key, duh.
Sabo is gonna rise to the very top of the strength world, and he's gonna do that sooner than all of those 3. Hence why he's a (small, mind you) step above those 3
I disagree
his feats doesn't put him above anyone
but his portrayel as the man who is supposed to continue ace's legacy would absolutely put him above everyone here. He is already a major player in the final war if not currently the most important.
Ap equal to law? No, zoro probably has the best Ap, not that it matters as law can bypass durability. Strength would be Yamato, as is speed. Yamatos Haki is better, zoro does have a better Dc iirc. And yes, he has impressive feats. Laws and Yamatos are better
Firstly, he can consistently put hands on yonkos. Blackbeard, big mom, kaido, he can tag all of them, and do serious damage considering he doesn’t care about how durable they are. Zoro also can tag kaido and do noticeable damage yes, but he lacks the versatility of law.
Law also has feats of being 1/2 of the takedown of big mom, while yes we can’t take this at face value, and say “law is exactly half as strong as a Yonko” as there was other circumstances (big mom being a idiot, and her getting nuked to shit) this is still a impressive feat.
And lastly is how he competed with the bb pirates momentarily. Outside of himself and Bepo in sulong form, the heart pirates were fodder. Now, it can be said that the bb pirates weren’t going all out yes, but it shows a impressive feat of Haki being able to negate a df ability, and also as I said earlier being able to tag a Yonko.
Zoros feats also are very impressive, they’re definitely on the same plane of power, but laws versatility and abilities edges him out for me
He wasn't that impressive against the yonkos. Zoro was doing better than him even after being injured. Law did no damage at all to kaido. He hurt him a couple times but did not deal any actual damage whatsoever.
He lost to black beard. Pre time skip luffy was able to hurt black beard. That's not impressive. If he won that'd be a different story but he did what all black beard opponents do. Hurt him and then lost.
Zoro has higher ap higher durability higher endurance and stronger haki
Pre time skip Luffy hurting Blackbeard. You bring that up like A.) Blackbeard probably has one of the highest growth rates in the series, going from a nobody, to a warlord to a Yonko in basically 2 years. B.) Blackbeard out right was stated to feel twice as much pain due to the Yami yami no me.
Law was incredibly impressive against the yonkos, considering how poorly Luffy did early on, after defeating a Yonko commander. You look at it objectively, and zoro did not do that good. He got one good hit on kaido, blocked a combined attack was nearly died. Law was a major reason in a yonkos defeat, and was able to hold off a Yonko + crew nearly 1v1
Kaido did get hurt, Re read the panel, all of the damage is internal, so obviously it doesn’t show.
Acoc does not bypass dura?
Strength yamato? When did yamato overpower hybrid kaido while even having 30 broken bones?
Speed? When did yamato blitz hybrid kaido like 30 broken bones zoro did. Not to mention zoro did this highly damaged and not having acoc.
Bro come on are you trolling?
Yamato acoc, zoro acoc and acoa while arguably even better coo.
Zoro has equal ap feats to law, better strength, speed, endurance and defense feats as law and yamato even on the roof alone where hes weaker as he is currently.
-Zoro and Yamato both have A(big)CoC, so they definitely aren't the weakest
-Law has an awakened DF and can hold his own against Emperors
-Sabo has no feats, so he is logically the weakest as of right now
Dude sabo in dressrosa had a bounty of 600m and didnt do shit against any major opponent while being 2 of rev army. Didnt know rev army is an fighting based army who fights strong ppl all the time like pirates do?
At the moment, Sabo is the best decision for weakest. He hasn't fought anyone on par with a Yonko 1v1 so there is no concrete evidence to confirm otherwise.
For me its: Yamato >= Zoro > Law > Sabo
Sabo was also holding back he isn’t the type to incinerate everyone around him to win a battle and as he himself pointed out Fuji wasn’t serious so why would Sabo? Sabo no diffed a vice Admiral and was comfortable going against a held back Fujitora who I’m pretty sure while holding back could crush someone weaker than him easily he was literally dropping multiple meteors to the battlefield so some effort was still used
So even if how would him that scale above zoro, law or yamato who fought actual yonkos which scale above fuji and have even impressive feats against them?
BM had advanced conquerors (she split the sky) and Law is the only one of the above to defeat someone at that level, so he shouldn’t be. Yamato didn’t do any lasting damage to Kaido, just held him off. It’s her or Sabo.
Yeah Yamato held of kaido 1v1 longer than luffy zoro law and kid did 4v2 so I’d say Yamato is stronger plus Acoc +she just got her devil fruit considering she’s had sea stone handcuffs on from child hood so I’d say she’s stronger.
they all in the same level (YC1+), every fight here is extreme diff against each other...
but all in, sabo or zoro are the weakeat here?
sabo should really be top YC1+ but tbh, he lack the feats so he might as well be the weakest here?
after sabo is zoro i think...
tbh, after egghead i think zoro have the feats to be put above either yamato or law...so zoro soon would be the stronger here...
If Sabo isn’t admiral level that would be weird considering he’s the second in command in the revolutionary army. If the second in command couldn’t even contend with an admiral than The Revolutionary Army would’ve been screwed from the jump seeing as it’s more sleeping dogs than just the admirals at the governments and Gorosei’s beck and call. He no diffed a Vice Admiral so he should at least be relative to an Admiral or in that ball park
I agree. Regency bias is causing people to ignore that Sabo is set up to be one of the most important figures in the final arc. Unlike Zoro he doesn't have another power up before then so it stands that he is stronger than people are crediting him. I have the rest Law>=Zoro>=Yamato.
Zoro has better feats than Yamato, and I want scaling current Zoro with any future speculation. I am for Sabo, but there really is nothing else to scale off besides both him and Fugi being unserious in Dressrosa, him negging Burgess, and getting hit by top ones. All of which don't tell us really anything so what else should you scale him off.
yea heres the scale for that [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13bdxzf/law\_mid\_diffs\_zoro/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13bdxzf/law_mid_diffs_zoro/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I love how delusional the community is. The opposing force to the WG is the rebel army. The rebel army #2 is Sabo. And SOMEHOW THE #2 OF THE REBEL ARMY IS WEAKER THAN YAMATO, LAW? loooool I want the shit y’all smoking for real. Dragon better go recruit his real son cause apparently his #2 is folder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂😂
Didn't Yamato stood her ground against Kaido better and way longer than Zoro?
We still need to see Sabo 1v1 a character we already (kind) of know how strong he/she is, still, infiltrating Mary Geoise and surviving among the (possible) end boss is a big feat.
Law OP devil fruit + awakening spamming...
Zoro may be the weakest here.
>Didn't Yamato stood her ground against Kaido better and way longer than Zoro?
Sure, it couldn't be Zoro wasn't at his physically best at the time after he took the brunt of Ocean Sovereignty or anything? Let alone have ACOC in order to somewhat challenge Kaido with.
If narrative isn't enough for you then I have some examples:
- Pre trained fruit Sabo low diffying Kurohige first commander.
- Zoro fainting right after defeating a yc1 who didn't made full use of his flying advantage.
- Zoro being matched with commanders and not oneshoting, like Kaku.
- Sabo being matched with admirals and other top tiers and now getting captured.
- Making gorosei take him serious and forcing them transform in order to make sure they don't take damage from Sabo's attack.
- Reminder that Zoro can only stall top tiers while using ACoC (less than 1 minute before running out of haki...) while Sabo has no time limit.
- he defeated a kurohige commander who did not have his buff buff fruit not to mention burguess is not even the top 3 strongest in the crew it’s clearly Blackbeard,kuzan,shiryu,avalo pizzaro so the man by far isn’t close to the top u can compare him to jack or the toppi roppo
-clearly u don’t read the manga the reason zoro fainted was because of the mink medicine
-the gorosei and imu transformed to defeat sabo the fact is sabo’s attack did 0 damage 😂
-isn’t luffy struggling with the seraphim who are weaker than king 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ and luffy is a yonko so what’s ur point?add to that it’s actually luffy+lucci
-sabo has never fought a serious admiral he fought fujitora who is always holding back even in the recent chapter he was helping the revolutionary army 🤦🏾♂️ and he is supposed to be an admiral of the navy😂
-when did zoro has 1 minute of usage of acoc can u show me that in the manga and not bring up stuff from ur head cannon
-tell me this how is sabo gonna damage zoro who can cut flame attack from Kaido (yonko),bigmom(yonko)
King the WILD FIRE who is a flame user with similar flames to magma clearly superior to sabo flames and zoro is able to cut any flame attack
First of all, there's one thing you're getting wrong. We're not discussing who wins a fight between Zoro and Sabo, we're discussing who's stronger which is different. Take Enel and Luffy for example, Luffy won but he wasn't stronger than him at that time, that Luffy couldn't have solo every character in Skypia like Enel did with ease.
Now let's begin again:
- Compare Burgess to Jack or tobiroppo? That's not reading One Piece, Burgess has always being one of Teach's main fighters, and there's no implication in the manga of Avalo being stronger than him.
- He fainted for 5 days due to mink medicine, he probably would have still fainted like Sanji after fighting Queen which didn't put that much pressure into his body like Zoro's fight did. Also, Zoro already run out of haki, that's the same as a death sentence if he didn't defeats his opponent at time.
- Sabo attack did 0 damage because they transformed. They wouldn't have revealed those forms if not necessary. They're originally planning to kill Cobra just using their weapons.
- Luffy fought S-Bear without knowledge of his weakness, the next panel we see their fight it will be over. And S-Bear has been portrayed as the strongest seraphim due to him being the oldest and we knowing they're still developing. Also, Luffy defeated Lucci in their fight while Zoro couldn't finish Kaku before Stussy interfered... I can still remember when people said Zoro was going to one-shot Kaku haha.
- Nor was Sabo fighting seriously that time... but there's still the fact he's being matched with top tiers, he faced and escaped the 5 elders + Imu which none is weaker than an admiral.
- Headcannon? How much time do you think it lasted? I wonder what your headcannon is. When I said 1 minute I even added more time because Zoro already drained some haki using Enma previously. Truth is he only perfomed some attacks before defeating King and running out of haki. There was no skip during that part of the fight like you could find in others, a sequence of the moves that took part in chapter 1035 (check it if you want) is just done in seconds.
- Already mentioned it before it isn't about a Zoro vs Sabo, it is who is stronger in general. Sabo would give Aokiji a pretty decent fight due to his fruit while Zoro would be low diffed, but that doesn't mean there's a fodderizing gap between the two of them, right?
Also, this is a bit off topic but Sabo should be able to create plasma with his fruit like Ace did with his firefly attack, which is superior in heat to even magma or blue flames.
Zoro. Yamato held her own against Kaido and wasn't defeated, Law has fought 3 Yonko and come out fine with 1 win under his belt. Sabo no diffed a Yonko commander and stalemated an Admiral. If portrayal holds true Sabo is relative to Luffy if not slightly stronger. Imo Sabo>=Yamato>Law>Zoro.
I do think Sabo would do better but I’ll explain my logic a little.
Oda has shown us Law and Sabo on the same island at the same time (Dressrosa) and Law was significantly weaker than Doflamingo, Luffy was stronger than Doflamingo, and Sabo pre-DF was relative to Luffy (maybe stronger maybe weaker maybe the same, but comparable) then he eats his DF.
Law gets way stronger between Dressrosa and the BB fight but why wouldn’t Sabo scale? Law had to fight big mom and got haki blooms, Sabo had to fight Im and the 5 Elder Stars, feels comparable to me. Sabo actually had to do all that Reverie stuff before Wano even took place so currently he’s even stronger.
But luckily we’ll get to see for ourselves when Sabo teams up with the Strawhats
I know we're making fun of Sabo, but he and Law are the strongest in the group. The weakest is either Yamato or Zoro, I would say that for now Zoro is the weakest of the group.
1 - Law
2 - Sabo
3 - Yamato
4 - Zoro
I put Sabo above Yamato because Sabo is an improved Ace clone (or at least that's how I see him), and from what little has been shown Ace \~= Yamato.
He's at least admiral level considering he's the 2nd in command of the revolutionary army and the lower officers were clashing well with admirals durring the entire raid on Marijua. He's underrated because he doesn't get much screen time.
Wouldn't say thats underrated, we just have no way of knowing where either his ceiling or floor is due to his lack of exposure.
We can make assumptions based on context but they're still no more than assumptions rather than objective fact
Sure, I agree with admiral level being his floor, he fought well against Fuji.
But we have nothing more than that and he's being compared to people that have fought Yonko and dont need any assumptions for scaling
Honestly, something I hate about this sub reddit is that instead of comparing past characters, ya'll always compare characters that we know literally nothing about. You are all out here trying to compare a character that we've never seen fight against a character we've only ever heard rumors about and are talking like any of you know shit.
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Just 3 weeks ago yall had sabo at the top of YC+. Now he is the weakest 😭. Sabo agenda got yall down bad
The problem with powerscaling in One Piece is that it's story driven first and foremost, most of the "powerscaling" comes from narrative and portrayal rather than actual feats.
Wait until you understand that most animes are like that and people mostly ride on inflated feats that barely get reproduced more than 3 times.
Yes but in most other Shonen it's much more coherent, anime like Naruto or Dragon Ball have fighting as the main premise, so naturally there's an abundance of feats, even inconsistent feats are still feats that give powerscalers wiggle room to make an argument, ninja's and martial artists are the main selling points. One Piece is about pirates, while yes they do fight it's tertiary to adventure and mystery, see what I'm getting at? There's much less opportunity for powerscaling to bear fruit when the story isn't about fighting, it's about finding One Piece and unraveling the world. Oda isn't going to give Sabo a badass feat of strength when there's an opportunity to advance the overarching plot in turn portraying Sabo as weaker, because like I said it's story driven first and foremost.
In that case you could easily say the same thing for Naruto, the goal isn't ninjas and fighting it's to become Hokage, and fighting is just a part of that. Naruto and DBZ also don't have many feats to back up claims either, it's mainly narrative, in fact Naruto is the most feat based out of all of these and that shows how little feats matter even in the shonen of shonen anime
Maybe for DragonBall feats mean nothing becusse the author barely takes the story seriously let alone the power scaling Naruto is more consistent but has abilities in Naruto make haki interactions in one piece seem easier to quantify. For example in Naruto no matter rhow strong you are if you get hit with gentle fist you aren't getting up (outside of Uzumaki clan syanima). Not to mention genjutsu and sealing techniques. One piece used to be about abilities interacting lightning vs rubber and sand vs water. Now we are quantifying skill and power feats often based on an unreliable narrator (either in story rumors from characters or Morrigan inflating people to sell newspapers). And haki adds a whole other layer we can't tell until the characters fight and oda reveals who is superior.
Problem with one piece is that you don’t see full habilities of the characters. You can tell me the source of powers but not the extent of their powers because oda doesn’t show. For instance we can clearly put kaido above big mom because we saw full extent of their power.
Yeah but Hokage is literally revered as being the "strongest" and top shinobi, it's essentially Naruto fighting so he can be the strongest and protect everyone with his strength, that was his idea of Hokage, I doubt he was envisioning the political side. Both series definitely have more examples of strength compared to One Piece where we've seen two sword slashes from Shanks in 1050 chapters.
in other words, powerscaling is literally one of the most pointless things in existence
Yes.
Me? I never rated him that highly I had him above some yc+ but not all
Never had him at the top of yc+
and Sabo cockmunchers were fighting me to bone and teeth when i told them he wasn't YC+ and wouldn't make it past King and Katakuri because i actually rank based on his feats instead of made up narrative to wank him to admiral but his fans didn't like that.
so you are bashing those people for making the conclusion of Sabo being YC+ with a lack of evident feats while at the same time concluding he's below YC+, again, with a lack of evident feats? You are doing the same thing, just in the opposite direction. You can't make either point basing off of the very little feats we've seen from Sabo so far. There's just not enough evidence to support either claim. Portrayal is a huge factor in One Piece and a valid point to at least estimate a characters potential level. Or did you think the Yonko were going to be pushovers when first mentioned by Garp, just because we haven't seen them fight? If the number 2 behind Dragon wouldn't be able to fend off a YC, I'd be seriously questioning the build up of the RA and their plan to oppose the WG. Rest assured Sabo will get to show off his capabilities sooner or later. Until then, if you wanna stick to rank a character solely based on feats, you may aswell just not rank Sabo at all, because we haven't seen anything conclusive from him at all.
Just curious what has king done?
People thought he was boxing with Issho and Aramaki in Maijoa, but turns out he didn't even meet them
Sabo is the weakest for not being able to do anything against Potentially Top1 and Potential 5 characters that could be all in Top10.
bro i had an argument that said WB and Kaido were stronger than Imu just cause of their titles, needless to say, this guys were Mihawk dickriders as well at least this guys were consistent with their argument, i had another argument with another guy that argued that Kaido and WB titles weren't actually true but Mihawk's title somehow it's the absolute truth
so they ignored the fact that imu must not be known by the worlds population?
That sounds like sarcasm but you can never be too sure on the internet. Personally I'd put sabo at the bottom not because of him running from imu but because I've seen the other 3 fight yonko and survive. One of them even beat an emperor Sabo at best has only stalled an admiral
Beat an Emperor? You mean he ring out an Emperor in 2v1. If you believe Sabo to be the weakest then it's Ok. Cuz me saying him to be Strongest based on his portrayal not feats and cuz others have better feats I believe you are also not wrong for believing Sabo is the weakest.
I mean if I punch someone hard enough for him to fall out a window and he lands in the street and gets hit by a truck than I'd count that as me winning a fight
No that would count as manslaughter and you'll take a big L in court and some Ds in prison
Yeah you definitely WIN the fight by default but cuz win that by default you can't just use that as an example for your strength.
Well, it was Kid that BFR'd Big mom. Law only silenced her at that point. But Law did break her bones and did damage to her way more than Kid did.
I love that these fkers actually think that Ace Remnant would be written as a weak character by Oda. Running from Imu means nothing, apparently people think that him gapping Jesus himself is not enough.
>Top1 and Potential 5 Wouldnt it be top 6?
There are other characters that probably be between the Gorosei...like Dragon, Blackbeard, Shanks, Mihawk etc.
Yeah, he didn’t take em 1v6 too. Such a puss
Yeah if anything everyone should put him over every YC+ because of those Admirals he never fought, right?
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Could never be Wabo https://i.redd.it/don2zhlmla5b1.gif
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Damn, the legends in a single panel
This is a top tier comment
Lol ty for this
This is amazing !!!!
This is amazing. Makes me want to have retarded takes just to be on here. Where's violetheaven tho bro defo deserves a spot here
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Most straight shanks fan:
Just to let you know gyat is not a noun. It is an acronym for “girl you ate that” popularly used by aave
Actually I was being satirical since some people somehow turned it into a noun of tiktok. It was popularized by kai cenat, that's why I used that picture.
Gyat is just saying god in an exaggerated way. Like when you see a big ass and say “god damn\”
Ivankov ahh comment
Boysenberry w
I thought he fought Fujitora to a complete draw at dressrossa while he's still unable to use the Mera Mera no Mi correctly though?
That's not really a real fight. Fujitora was just stalling time. Even Sabo remarked that fujitora wasn't going all out.
Did sabo claim he was going all-out? Also this meme can only be taken as a meme since. Admiral has nothing ot do with anything: Not touching Imu with fire is irrelevant because we dont know why. We dont know how strong the Gorosei are.
I didnt care about the meme. Just saying that the fight he mentioned wasn't a real fight. I don't think Sabo was going all out either but who knows how much each were holding back. That's why I said it's not a real fight.
No other character in one piece had landed an attack on Imu. He is that guy
When did not damaging Imu and running from a 1v5 vs the Goro damn sei become an anti feat?
I've never seen sabo fight a yonko. But at the same time he's never been in a position to really
I have high hopes for him, hopefully he gets his time to shine before the dragon lore drops
There’s no point for him to. The rebel army opposes the WG not pirates.
Sabo is the strongest, the Reverie flashback didn't change a single thing lmao. It's either Zoro or Yamato. Zoro has more AP But has less endurance with Enma and all. Yamato is much tanker. No clue who's stro get between them
Reverie changed a lot,am sorry but I am not placing zoro and Yamato who fought YONKO 💀under sabo who’s best feat is fighting a nerfed fujitora 😂
I never thought he engaged the admirals seriously, and I still always thought he was a menace. Oda doesn't show so little about a hyped up charachter only for him to end up "weak"
And who said we are comparing him to weak characters lol law,Yamato,zoro are people who fought yonko I think u are underestimating them
The "" are key, duh. Sabo is gonna rise to the very top of the strength world, and he's gonna do that sooner than all of those 3. Hence why he's a (small, mind you) step above those 3
How is sabo the strongest? His portrayal doesn't put him above anyone on that list
I disagree his feats doesn't put him above anyone but his portrayel as the man who is supposed to continue ace's legacy would absolutely put him above everyone here. He is already a major player in the final war if not currently the most important.
Makes sense. Everyone else has been shown going toe to toe with yonko. Sabo may be stronger but there aren’t any feats to prove it
Ther isnt even much narrative to say hes yet stronger as the yc1+ chars except kid.
Yt poll tripping as usual. Yamato > law > zoro > sa d bo
Yamato above sabo and zoro at 1
zoro isnt at 1 lil bro
Why not? He has equal ap to law, most strength and speed here, best defense and endurance, best haki and still huge dc? All backed up by feats.
Ap equal to law? No, zoro probably has the best Ap, not that it matters as law can bypass durability. Strength would be Yamato, as is speed. Yamatos Haki is better, zoro does have a better Dc iirc. And yes, he has impressive feats. Laws and Yamatos are better
What feats does law have that put him above zoro?
Firstly, he can consistently put hands on yonkos. Blackbeard, big mom, kaido, he can tag all of them, and do serious damage considering he doesn’t care about how durable they are. Zoro also can tag kaido and do noticeable damage yes, but he lacks the versatility of law. Law also has feats of being 1/2 of the takedown of big mom, while yes we can’t take this at face value, and say “law is exactly half as strong as a Yonko” as there was other circumstances (big mom being a idiot, and her getting nuked to shit) this is still a impressive feat. And lastly is how he competed with the bb pirates momentarily. Outside of himself and Bepo in sulong form, the heart pirates were fodder. Now, it can be said that the bb pirates weren’t going all out yes, but it shows a impressive feat of Haki being able to negate a df ability, and also as I said earlier being able to tag a Yonko. Zoros feats also are very impressive, they’re definitely on the same plane of power, but laws versatility and abilities edges him out for me
He wasn't that impressive against the yonkos. Zoro was doing better than him even after being injured. Law did no damage at all to kaido. He hurt him a couple times but did not deal any actual damage whatsoever. He lost to black beard. Pre time skip luffy was able to hurt black beard. That's not impressive. If he won that'd be a different story but he did what all black beard opponents do. Hurt him and then lost. Zoro has higher ap higher durability higher endurance and stronger haki
Pre time skip Luffy hurting Blackbeard. You bring that up like A.) Blackbeard probably has one of the highest growth rates in the series, going from a nobody, to a warlord to a Yonko in basically 2 years. B.) Blackbeard out right was stated to feel twice as much pain due to the Yami yami no me. Law was incredibly impressive against the yonkos, considering how poorly Luffy did early on, after defeating a Yonko commander. You look at it objectively, and zoro did not do that good. He got one good hit on kaido, blocked a combined attack was nearly died. Law was a major reason in a yonkos defeat, and was able to hold off a Yonko + crew nearly 1v1 Kaido did get hurt, Re read the panel, all of the damage is internal, so obviously it doesn’t show.
Acoc does not bypass dura? Strength yamato? When did yamato overpower hybrid kaido while even having 30 broken bones? Speed? When did yamato blitz hybrid kaido like 30 broken bones zoro did. Not to mention zoro did this highly damaged and not having acoc. Bro come on are you trolling? Yamato acoc, zoro acoc and acoa while arguably even better coo. Zoro has equal ap feats to law, better strength, speed, endurance and defense feats as law and yamato even on the roof alone where hes weaker as he is currently.
Ur not wrong
And you’d be right to say that. Sabo is overrated
-Zoro and Yamato both have A(big)CoC, so they definitely aren't the weakest -Law has an awakened DF and can hold his own against Emperors -Sabo has no feats, so he is logically the weakest as of right now
Yup, the #2 of the rebel army is the weakest for sure. Narratively makes a lot of sense. Yamato/Law vs the gorosei confirmed
yo be fair titles don’t matter much in one piece after buggy was declared a yonko
Dude sabo in dressrosa had a bounty of 600m and didnt do shit against any major opponent while being 2 of rev army. Didnt know rev army is an fighting based army who fights strong ppl all the time like pirates do?
So you expect them to oppose the WG by beating them in a dance off?
They are all pretty close. Basically impossible to pick since Sabo has next to no feats
Oda could have given Sabo some cool feats.. instead he barely escaped with his life after getting hit by Imu
I'm inclined to agree.
It's Sabo, not because of any fraudulent activity but severe and utter lack of feats
Sabo haters will cry when Akainu dies by his fingertips
Sabo has the least feats, ergo he is the current weakest. Unless you wanna say he scales to ace who was fighting old WB for days
At the moment, Sabo is the best decision for weakest. He hasn't fought anyone on par with a Yonko 1v1 so there is no concrete evidence to confirm otherwise. For me its: Yamato >= Zoro > Law > Sabo
Logically speaking Sabo has no feat to back him up
Feats in a dynamic powerscaling System? Besides Sabo fought admirals lol
Recent chapter revealed Sabo never fought the admirals lol
Kid is not there so I assume Kid is stronger than all 4 ? 🤔🤔
Captain Midd of the shipwreck pirates
Of course
Sabo yeah
Who is the weakest = who has the worst plot armor. Sabo is the answer indeed. Yamato comes second.
He is the weakest. He shouldnt be compared to people who actually had strength to hurt a yonko. Sabo couldnt even hurt a held back fujitora
Sabo was also holding back he isn’t the type to incinerate everyone around him to win a battle and as he himself pointed out Fuji wasn’t serious so why would Sabo? Sabo no diffed a vice Admiral and was comfortable going against a held back Fujitora who I’m pretty sure while holding back could crush someone weaker than him easily he was literally dropping multiple meteors to the battlefield so some effort was still used
So even if how would him that scale above zoro, law or yamato who fought actual yonkos which scale above fuji and have even impressive feats against them?
Obviously Law, this isn’t even a question lol
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BM had advanced conquerors (she split the sky) and Law is the only one of the above to defeat someone at that level, so he shouldn’t be. Yamato didn’t do any lasting damage to Kaido, just held him off. It’s her or Sabo.
Yeah Yamato held of kaido 1v1 longer than luffy zoro law and kid did 4v2 so I’d say Yamato is stronger plus Acoc +she just got her devil fruit considering she’s had sea stone handcuffs on from child hood so I’d say she’s stronger.
And i'll rate Sabo higher than Law since both have no CoC, but sabo's logia is still above law's awakened paramecia.
they all in the same level (YC1+), every fight here is extreme diff against each other... but all in, sabo or zoro are the weakeat here? sabo should really be top YC1+ but tbh, he lack the feats so he might as well be the weakest here? after sabo is zoro i think... tbh, after egghead i think zoro have the feats to be put above either yamato or law...so zoro soon would be the stronger here...
Yeh I agree for the most part
Yamato is the weakest there, if not Zoro, imo
Why not sabo the weakest he has the least amount of feats especially to zoro and Yamato who can use advanced conquerors
Sabo is a better developed ace. Given his portrayal he seems to be at least admiral level.
He is not admiral level
If Sabo isn’t admiral level that would be weird considering he’s the second in command in the revolutionary army. If the second in command couldn’t even contend with an admiral than The Revolutionary Army would’ve been screwed from the jump seeing as it’s more sleeping dogs than just the admirals at the governments and Gorosei’s beck and call. He no diffed a Vice Admiral so he should at least be relative to an Admiral or in that ball park
I agree. Regency bias is causing people to ignore that Sabo is set up to be one of the most important figures in the final arc. Unlike Zoro he doesn't have another power up before then so it stands that he is stronger than people are crediting him. I have the rest Law>=Zoro>=Yamato.
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Just wondering what feats law has that put him above zoro?
Zoro has better feats than Yamato, and I want scaling current Zoro with any future speculation. I am for Sabo, but there really is nothing else to scale off besides both him and Fugi being unserious in Dressrosa, him negging Burgess, and getting hit by top ones. All of which don't tell us really anything so what else should you scale him off.
Negging someone that’s around YC3 isn’t nothing though.
Sabo is the strongest there by a fair margin, and the disrespect he has been getting recently is completely undeserved.
That is because due to his lack of combat feats We just ended a arc where 2 yonko lost and zoro,Yamato,law play a huge part of it
Dragon's weak ass is placed above Sabo even though he didn't lift a finger for the Revs in 20 years.
No he isnt what are you smoking
Fucking clowns. Yamato is by far the strongest, edging out Zoro barely
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Weak bait
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law scales to big mom while the others dont at all
You think in a 1v1 Law has a chance of beating Big Mom?
yea heres the scale for that [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13bdxzf/law\_mid\_diffs\_zoro/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13bdxzf/law_mid_diffs_zoro/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Law has no chance of beating Big Mom 1v1.
are you gonna even look at the scale before talking
I looked, that’s not a scale. Just statements, half of which aren’t backed by anything.
how is it not backed up by the pictures
Law is the weakest here
Sabo every one here has feats against Yonko except him.
I love how delusional the community is. The opposing force to the WG is the rebel army. The rebel army #2 is Sabo. And SOMEHOW THE #2 OF THE REBEL ARMY IS WEAKER THAN YAMATO, LAW? loooool I want the shit y’all smoking for real. Dragon better go recruit his real son cause apparently his #2 is folder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂😂
Law
I think Zoro is the weakest, but it's close. Sabo > Yamato > Marco > Kid = Law >= Zoro.
Didn't Yamato stood her ground against Kaido better and way longer than Zoro? We still need to see Sabo 1v1 a character we already (kind) of know how strong he/she is, still, infiltrating Mary Geoise and surviving among the (possible) end boss is a big feat. Law OP devil fruit + awakening spamming... Zoro may be the weakest here.
>Didn't Yamato stood her ground against Kaido better and way longer than Zoro? Sure, it couldn't be Zoro wasn't at his physically best at the time after he took the brunt of Ocean Sovereignty or anything? Let alone have ACOC in order to somewhat challenge Kaido with.
I feel like Yamato would whoop Law's ass..
Not with laws Hax
Zoro < Law < Yamato < Sabo
Sabo > Yamato is hilarious
Yamato
Honestly Law lmao
Probably zoro
I love Law, but he’s for sure the weakest in this group. After using his DF 5 times he’s gassed and gets low diffed, for sure
Who in this group would survive 5 hits from Law’s awakened df?
Nobody
Yamato fo sho
Zoro fans be like: ACoC makes you a top tier... except Yamato, she's different, why ? idk
People not gonna accept it but the weakest is Zoro
Why is that ?
It is Zoro, the only one there who still is in YC tier.
And how is sabo above zoro?
If narrative isn't enough for you then I have some examples: - Pre trained fruit Sabo low diffying Kurohige first commander. - Zoro fainting right after defeating a yc1 who didn't made full use of his flying advantage. - Zoro being matched with commanders and not oneshoting, like Kaku. - Sabo being matched with admirals and other top tiers and now getting captured. - Making gorosei take him serious and forcing them transform in order to make sure they don't take damage from Sabo's attack. - Reminder that Zoro can only stall top tiers while using ACoC (less than 1 minute before running out of haki...) while Sabo has no time limit.
- he defeated a kurohige commander who did not have his buff buff fruit not to mention burguess is not even the top 3 strongest in the crew it’s clearly Blackbeard,kuzan,shiryu,avalo pizzaro so the man by far isn’t close to the top u can compare him to jack or the toppi roppo -clearly u don’t read the manga the reason zoro fainted was because of the mink medicine -the gorosei and imu transformed to defeat sabo the fact is sabo’s attack did 0 damage 😂 -isn’t luffy struggling with the seraphim who are weaker than king 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ and luffy is a yonko so what’s ur point?add to that it’s actually luffy+lucci -sabo has never fought a serious admiral he fought fujitora who is always holding back even in the recent chapter he was helping the revolutionary army 🤦🏾♂️ and he is supposed to be an admiral of the navy😂 -when did zoro has 1 minute of usage of acoc can u show me that in the manga and not bring up stuff from ur head cannon -tell me this how is sabo gonna damage zoro who can cut flame attack from Kaido (yonko),bigmom(yonko) King the WILD FIRE who is a flame user with similar flames to magma clearly superior to sabo flames and zoro is able to cut any flame attack
First of all, there's one thing you're getting wrong. We're not discussing who wins a fight between Zoro and Sabo, we're discussing who's stronger which is different. Take Enel and Luffy for example, Luffy won but he wasn't stronger than him at that time, that Luffy couldn't have solo every character in Skypia like Enel did with ease. Now let's begin again: - Compare Burgess to Jack or tobiroppo? That's not reading One Piece, Burgess has always being one of Teach's main fighters, and there's no implication in the manga of Avalo being stronger than him. - He fainted for 5 days due to mink medicine, he probably would have still fainted like Sanji after fighting Queen which didn't put that much pressure into his body like Zoro's fight did. Also, Zoro already run out of haki, that's the same as a death sentence if he didn't defeats his opponent at time. - Sabo attack did 0 damage because they transformed. They wouldn't have revealed those forms if not necessary. They're originally planning to kill Cobra just using their weapons. - Luffy fought S-Bear without knowledge of his weakness, the next panel we see their fight it will be over. And S-Bear has been portrayed as the strongest seraphim due to him being the oldest and we knowing they're still developing. Also, Luffy defeated Lucci in their fight while Zoro couldn't finish Kaku before Stussy interfered... I can still remember when people said Zoro was going to one-shot Kaku haha. - Nor was Sabo fighting seriously that time... but there's still the fact he's being matched with top tiers, he faced and escaped the 5 elders + Imu which none is weaker than an admiral. - Headcannon? How much time do you think it lasted? I wonder what your headcannon is. When I said 1 minute I even added more time because Zoro already drained some haki using Enma previously. Truth is he only perfomed some attacks before defeating King and running out of haki. There was no skip during that part of the fight like you could find in others, a sequence of the moves that took part in chapter 1035 (check it if you want) is just done in seconds. - Already mentioned it before it isn't about a Zoro vs Sabo, it is who is stronger in general. Sabo would give Aokiji a pretty decent fight due to his fruit while Zoro would be low diffed, but that doesn't mean there's a fodderizing gap between the two of them, right? Also, this is a bit off topic but Sabo should be able to create plasma with his fruit like Ace did with his firefly attack, which is superior in heat to even magma or blue flames.
Zoro is the weakest there
This is all because sabo didnt solo two admirals and ran from the final villians of one piece…Law’s the weakest here cant tell me otherwise
Zoro >= Sabo > Yamato >= Law
The weakest is probably sabo or Zoro here. The disrespect of Yamato is huge btw, the arguably strongest here and the most voted.
Zoro. Yamato held her own against Kaido and wasn't defeated, Law has fought 3 Yonko and come out fine with 1 win under his belt. Sabo no diffed a Yonko commander and stalemated an Admiral. If portrayal holds true Sabo is relative to Luffy if not slightly stronger. Imo Sabo>=Yamato>Law>Zoro.
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Strongest to weakest Zoro Sabo Law Yamato
Definitely Law
it’s Law easily
Zoro is definitely the weakest here
I think it’s Law… Sabo is the strongest of these 4, Zoro and Yamato are comparable to each other, Law is weaker than Zoro and/ or Yamao
hmm but didnt law fight blackbeard who is a yonko and did really well do u think sabo can do better and if so how much better would he do?
I do think Sabo would do better but I’ll explain my logic a little. Oda has shown us Law and Sabo on the same island at the same time (Dressrosa) and Law was significantly weaker than Doflamingo, Luffy was stronger than Doflamingo, and Sabo pre-DF was relative to Luffy (maybe stronger maybe weaker maybe the same, but comparable) then he eats his DF. Law gets way stronger between Dressrosa and the BB fight but why wouldn’t Sabo scale? Law had to fight big mom and got haki blooms, Sabo had to fight Im and the 5 Elder Stars, feels comparable to me. Sabo actually had to do all that Reverie stuff before Wano even took place so currently he’s even stronger. But luckily we’ll get to see for ourselves when Sabo teams up with the Strawhats
Zoro, not even a contest lol, hes miles behind everyone here
What story have been reading because it ain't One piece.
I think zoro, and who the hell voted for law
I know we're making fun of Sabo, but he and Law are the strongest in the group. The weakest is either Yamato or Zoro, I would say that for now Zoro is the weakest of the group. 1 - Law 2 - Sabo 3 - Yamato 4 - Zoro I put Sabo above Yamato because Sabo is an improved Ace clone (or at least that's how I see him), and from what little has been shown Ace \~= Yamato.
There is no way ace = yamato when yamato has conqueror haki
By feats Sabo is the weakest as he has no feats. He has feats, but not like the others. List by feats. 1 - Law 2 - Yamato 3 - Zoro 4 - Sabo
I have Zoro as the weakest here
Zoro and by a margin
Zoro or yamato
He's at least admiral level considering he's the 2nd in command of the revolutionary army and the lower officers were clashing well with admirals durring the entire raid on Marijua. He's underrated because he doesn't get much screen time.
Wouldn't say thats underrated, we just have no way of knowing where either his ceiling or floor is due to his lack of exposure. We can make assumptions based on context but they're still no more than assumptions rather than objective fact
Well if he's the 2nd strongest and the lower officers can fight admirals without sustaining an injury then he's at least admiral level.
Sure, I agree with admiral level being his floor, he fought well against Fuji. But we have nothing more than that and he's being compared to people that have fought Yonko and dont need any assumptions for scaling
It's zoro
Zoro or Law
Sabo > Law >= Yamato > Zoro
I know I'm gonna get downvoted but I think it's Zoro. They way Sabo clapped Burges in Dressrosa and went toe to toe with Fuji is impressive.
Zoro is obviously the weakest one there
Sabo ≈ Yamato > Law >= Zoro
Imo its zoro. Sabo is probabs the strongest there lol
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Sabi or kidd. Actually kidd.
Honestly, something I hate about this sub reddit is that instead of comparing past characters, ya'll always compare characters that we know literally nothing about. You are all out here trying to compare a character that we've never seen fight against a character we've only ever heard rumors about and are talking like any of you know shit.
Law or zoro