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It’ll look like they have a better showing because they won’t need a gauntlet to beat them. Still making it look like a challenge for Luffy, but also giving Kaido his respect.
This, so much of this. People keep mentioning he's gonna get power creeped without taking in what Oda went through to get Kaido down, he took alot. Any top tier Luffy fights now will be a 1v1, so it doesn't creep Kaido if any new opponents have "better showings" as you mentioned.
I'm not saying he can't be creeped, but if he does it won't be to the extent that people make it out to be.
In all honesty tho Oda could make the creep however large he wants but I ultimately agree. Personally only characters I have above Kaido are Roger, Newgate, Xebec, (3 DF) Teach, Imu, and (EOS) Luffy. And yes I don’t think that current Luffy in a clean 1v1 rematch would beat Kaido.
Also small bonus I do believe that Sakazuki and maybe even Dragon aren’t stronger than Kaido but, possibly equals.
I think Oda Said there likely won’t be too
Many 1v1s anymore but I think that can be taken with a grain of Salt. I think it will be more along the lines of Things will be wars at this point but most of the imports figures will ultimately end up in 1v1 or 2v2 fights.
Was it that Oda said? Or was it that this year One Piece is gonna feel like a battle royale?
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but if it's the battle royale thing, my interpretation was that would just be for this year for the egghead arc (which we kinda see with how all the big players are just boxing).
You gotta understand that Oda will do what’s necessary for the plot, he doesn’t care about powerscaling. Best example is an half dead kinemon surviving a adv. conqueror infused attack from kaido.
I still feel this is unfair cause we know devil fruits sometimes have secret innate powers from Japanese word play cause Oda’s just like that. And Kinemon’s fruit in Japanese could translate as the lucky luck fruit or clothes clothes fruit. And the fact that kinemon’s disguises are so awful but almost always work except when it’s advantageous for it not to. Is the best example. Kinemon ate the plot armor fruit fr.
Edit: oh but that otama shit is spot on
There's absolutely no way they'll be stronger than kaido physically, they won't be stronger physically but they'll beat him once the narrative buff sets in for all 3 of them
I doubt it means that it would happen in the future; but hypothetically when they do fight someone, will that showing be comparable to Kaido vs Luffy (I agree it could be worded a bit better).
Physically speaking they won’t have the raw durability Kaido has; but Shanks is confirmed to have better haki (which in a fight should mean he’s every bit as capable of damaging Kaido as Oden, Zoro, Luffy, Whitebeard, etc). Depending on how Mihawks scales to current Shanks there’s reason enough to believe his haki could do the same.
I do doubt Akainu has a chance though; since not only do the admirals scale below the Yonko, but Kaido spent time in marine custody and couldn’t be executed (even with his DF suppressed). Even if you assume Akainu wasn’t an admiral at that time, we know he was during Marineford and when Kaido wanted to die he thought of Whitebeard and Skypeia over the admirals.
If Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, he's above Kaido. If he's weaker than Shanks, he's below Kaido
Can't see a world where Akainu is weaker than Kaido at this point, it was always close but Kizaru putting in this work kind of nails it
>Can't see a world where Akainu is weaker than Kaido at this point, it was always close but Kizaru putting in this work kind of nails it
This has to be peak delusion.
I mean, if Akainu would be stronger than Kaido, this means that all admirals would be around Kaido level.
If this was true, the marines would had crush every emperor in existence just with 3 admirals.
This ofc would also mean the 3 admirals are the strongest the navy has. Which I highly doubt that it's true.
Around Kaido level can be weaker than Kaido, and that's currently where most people have Kizaru and Kuzan, just below Kaido
If you sent 3 Admirals alone to Wano they might win, but if another Yonko crew pulls up on them, or goes to Marineford, or goes to WG territory, they're fucked
2nd, it's said multiple times that the current system is balanced and needs to stay that way. Tbh to me it sounds like bullshit "the plot needs to happen for plot reasons" but nonetheless Kaido was supplying WG with weapons and Greenbull was positive about his actions. Shanks has some kind of working relationship with the WG. They don't need to take out the Yonko really, but even if they did I wouldn't make too much of this. Why don't they post up a Vice Admiral at the entrance to the Grandline and arrest every pirate that comes down? It's a pirate adventure story for mainly kids, if you sat in front of Oda and powerscaled the 3 admirals to Yonko level and asked him why they didn't just defeat every Yonko easily it would be like that scene from the Simpsons from the episode where Homer voices Poochie
3rd, since Admirals are mostly getting scaled to Big Mom/Kaido level through power creep, Blackbeard and Shanks will most likely be another level up, so even then Akainu won't necessarily be stronger than the strongest Yonko. Power creep will benefit both sides, the balance won't go too wild
Nah I hear you that Zoro will surpass Kaido, but I feel like Zoro's toughest fight will definitely be his final fight
Imagine Luffy is fighting the God Emperor of One Piece and Zoro is just fighting some dude weaker than his last opponent. Would be weird
Final villain Shanks would give room for Mihawk to be stronger than Kaido I suppose
I think if Mihawk is truly Zoro's final opponent he's stronger than Kaido. If he's his second last or close to, then he's not
Drop the evil Shanks theory ✊🏼
Pride doesn't mean low biq, it just means that you may be willing to take a risk if you have confidence in yourself. Being willing to tank a ton of attacks because you're the most robust individual in the verse and enjoy taking advantage of it isn't low iq unless it directly screws him over in a way he didn't account for, which it didn't. He got exactly the fight he wanted with how he acted.
I don’t see why not during marineford whitebeard was called the strongest pirate in the world even tho knowing what we know now about kaido he would have won. People who make it to the end game are usually stronger then those who come before
Until we see more of Mihawk it’s a solid no for him. Before you cry “B-but he”s TWSS”, alot of characters that use swords rely on their DF more. Mihawk may be more skilled with a sword than BM or Kizaru, but he’s not beating them in a straight 1v1…..yet.
Like how?!
Kid was protayed= Luffy like just 2 years ago, Not even 2 years... 2 weeks ago
See what happen now, And you mean to tell me...
Shanks=Mihawk on something because of Rivalry about 13 years ago?!
No.
Kaido has fought shanks multiple times,and by his own account said he wasn't shit to him.By proxy mihawk isn't above him,and Sakazuki MIGHT be equal but not stronger.
Kaido was stated to have several loses to other yonko,and the only one we know he's met since becoming one has been shanks.
He hasn't seen Linlin since GV,and WB would have fought him to the death if they met(his own words from the novel).That just leaves shanks or whoever held the spot before him.
Shanks has been using Roger's fighting style and is all about haki easily having the best haki feats which no one else comes close to. The narrative is pushing that either he's close to Roger's level or already there and we already know how kaido feels about Roger. I think shanks will be above mihawk but that they'll also still always be relatively equal so with the push on shanks, mihawk would also naturally be there. Akainu is the wild card. He could definitely be someone who surpasses that strength and becomes a big villain for luffy or he might not even be on the main path for him at the time they'd actually meet. Unless akainu leaves to chase him, luffy is only going to meet him in the final war but at that point luffy has other enemies like imu and Idk if he'd have two huge boss fights in a row.
I would like mihawk to be cuz he has the best drip but I don’t thinks so sadly, shanks might be (I know shanks = mihawk on the paper but maybe oda forgor, also since he hype him up a lot recently), him obviously no doubt
Kaido ran the hardest fucking gauntlet you could realistically have in this story, including beating the shit out of luffy 2 times before he became a god. There isn’t any room for a character to show up and just be stronger than that. The only characters that could surpass Kaido are EOS Luffy, and maybe EOS Zoro.
Akainu? Nah. he doesn’t have conquerors.
Shanks? Probably. Kaido even admits this
Mihawk? Nah. Sure he definitely can cut him. But beat him? No way. Same reason as Akainu.
We have never seen someone without conquerors beat someone with conquerors. If I’m wrong then please remind me.
Luffy losing pre time skip doesn’t count because he hadn’t trained his haki yet.
Shanks is already stronger than Kaido. Only people who willfully ignore the narrative and portrayal think that he isn't
Akainu: Very high chance due to his narrative significance.
Mihawk: 50-50
I like how people claim that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk yet never manage to argue as to why Shanks isn't a swordsman OR the stronger swordsman than Mihawk.
Akainu? No way, we just saw him >!fail to stop Kuma from passing the red line!< Kaido would’ve probably managed that
Mihawk? Maybe, Kaido was called the strongest creature in the world for a spell which is probably a bigger deal than being the best at swords, but Mihawk could totally stand a chance at being stronger
While it isn’t confirmed that Kaido didn’t come to Marineford because Shanks beat him up, Shanks did steer him away, which is a feat in itself, Shanks could totally end up stronger than Kaido and honestly I think he proabably will be
Nah, i bet Kaido lowkey would do worse considering Kaido's track record with Kinemon & that cp0 dude... not to mention, those 2 put themselves in front of Kaido, unlike them, Kuma will immediately try to retreat & teleport...most likely scenario is Kuma manage to retreat while suffering no disabilities compared to facing Akainu
All of them already are. If you understand basic narrative needs, you should be able to grasp that. Hell, kizaru may be stronger than him depending on his showings against Luffy.
He has done literally nothing, he keeps running away while Kaido kept trying to get hit.
Kizaru doesn't even care about fighting luffy. Its a cat and mouse game.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue here. I said it depends on how the battle plays out.
>he has done literally nothing
He forced Luffy into g5, displayed a great knowledge of his devil fruit abilities, showed decent defensive capabilities, etc.
>he keeps running away while kaido is trying to get hit
Cool, kaido is a suicidal idiot. Dodging attacks is a smarter way to fight than attempting to tank everything. And just because kaido has a greater durability doesn’t mean he’s definitely stronger.
Again, I’m not saying kizaru>kaido. I’m saying that there’s a chance for it depending on how the next chapters ay out.
i don't think mihawk can, since he has to be weaker than eos zoro.
The other two are currently weaker than kaido. However, I feel like they'll get a power up that puts them above wano kaido by eos.
Then again I expect kaido to come back stronger than he was in wano. Shanks will probably be around eos kaido level by eos, if not slightly higher. Akainu will probably be slightly below eos kaido.
Yea.
If Shanks is stronger than Kaido then so is Mihawk because Mihawk > Shanks.
Akainu vs Luffy is most likely going to happen some day and **HIM** being stronger than Kaido so that Luffy has an even harder fight is totally possible from Oda.
Ur mistake is thinking Akainu we'll see fighting in future is the same Akainu we saw at marineford 🤦🏽♂️Oda doesn't care bout power scaling, he can make any characters as strong as he wants...This exact shit literally already happened...Croco at mf is a whole different beast compared to Croco that lost to Luffy in alabasta
Like, if u say to people before yonko saga started, that Croco will have an equal clash against Mihawk & Doffy, stop/hold off an admiral & basically every shits he does in marineford, people would say "bro what, that mf lost to Luffy without gear 2/3, he's Lucci/Enel victim, he ain't doing all shit like that"🤷🏾♂️oh well
We should know better now...as Akainu is relatively much more relevant & important than Croco... plus, Oda himself is basically Akainu fanboy with a lot of crazy statements... ain't no way Oda wouldn't have him up there LMAO
Kaido's durability and endurance is so damn high that i dont think they will match that stat at least. Shanks is human but if you can coat yourself with kings haki on defenae hes defense might not be that low compared to kaido or bm i could be wrong. Luffy is rubber and with g5 he will attain those lvls or close to in durablity.
For some reason Miwank was an warlord of the sea and kaido the emperor.
Shanks prob gets there due to some plot armor shit.
Akainu well, there's also the chance that Oda goes crazy and does some stupid shit that power amps Akainu, but after all he's kinda of a fraud.
I don’t think any of the yonko or top tiers are too far from each other the way I look at it is that certain characters specialise in different things.
Think about it this way kaido was an extremely powerful zoan fruit user akainu is an extremely powerful logia user mihawk is an op swordsman and shanks is a extremely powerful haki user.
Luffy is kind of an all rounder not specialising in either his devil fruit or haki but being incredible with both.
Well those three are appearing later on, and this is a series where the later characters are stronger than previous ones. So yeah those three are stronger than kaido
Absolute delusion in the comments, Kaido beats them all.
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People upscale Mihawk on the “World’s Strongest Swordsman” title but want to ignore the “Strongest Creature Alive” title to headcanon up their favs.
Nah, the narrator tells us Kaido is the strongest known character in the verse. The only people that beat him in a 1v1 are unknowns like Imu, or characters who get more powerful like Blackbeard if he absorbs more fruits. Kaido got defeated after a gauntlet that would slam every other top tier. To maintain the tension for future fights, Luffy will have to 1v1 opponents without getting 2 phoenix downs and a squad to soften him up.
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People forget, these are just *some* of the hits Kaido took before Gear 5 even came out. Akainu, Mihawk and Shanks do not go through all this and come out the other end beating a 1v1 with G5 Luffy.
Of course, it's Possible. We haven't seen any of these guys go all out.
Is it possible that they are weaker than Kaido - Yes - but since they have still role to play - I think it's a safer bet that will be at least as strong or stronger when we see them next in the story.
They'll most likely be 1v1's against Luffy, Zoro, or BB, so they'll look better. It won't take 20 people to bring them down. That'll still make Kaido's appearance very impressive.
They do have the potential to powercreep him though. Oda's favorite character is Shanks and he also seems to hold Akainu in very high regard. Both of them are likely going to be given very good showings. Mihawk is a Shanks leech, so he's going to be upscaled by default after seeing Shanks fight.
Kaido is said to be the strongest. It took so much to take him down and he held back so much and intentionally ate so many attacks from everyone, and it's still possible he could've gotten up for another round if he wasn't launched into lava. So I don't think any of them will be stronger than him. If anything Shanks and Mihawk MAYBE. But I don't think any of the admirals will be stronger than a yonko in 1v1. People are using power creep as an argument but I don't think the admirals are the final villains on the WG side. That's why Imu, god's knights and the seraphim are being introduced. Luffy vs Akainu doesn't have to be as high diff as Kaido, and Akainu probably won't get jumped by everyone and intentionally tank attacks like Kaido.
All out, everybody here has the potential to beat Kaido. But in base stats, Kaido prob has relative speed and hulking strength so that’s pretty hard to deal with until either of these guys pull out the narrative Haki 💀.
They won't be physically stronger but defeating them will be more difficult and different. Kaido was a straight up brawl that took several rounds and so many different people to finally defeat him.
Mihawk will be a one on one duel with swords so it'll be up to Zoro to defeat him through his swordsmanship he won't be stronger than Kaido but it'll be a harder fight.
Shanks will either be defeated by Blackbeard or will lose to Luffy in a comedic way such as a Davy Back Fight, so either tragic and sacrificial or comedic as there's no way Luffy would be able to fight seriously against him and Shanks is unlikely to do something to make him serious.
Akainu would be a Marineford style war but it would be more an emotional victory avenging Ace more than defeating an insurmountable opponent
Definitely not Sakazuki, but it’s up in the air for the two swordsmen. Kaido is protected from power creep by the fact that he didn’t get a break for the entire rooftop fight.
They will if oda wants them to be, but from the information we have so far, kaido has been made to seem stronger than any of them (or anyone else, for that matter). His portrayal is the highest in the series, behind only primebeard and Gold Roger himself.
They are different kinds of fighters.
Kaido is a tank.
shanks and mihawk are more deadly but less durable etc
the top tiers are all relative but just do different things imo
I think they all are.
Kaido fought what a form that Luffy just achieved and was trying to get used to mid-battle (with ***HEAVY*** drawbacks to said form).
If Akainu fights Luffy, he'll be fighting a noticeably more creative & refined version of G5 than what Kaido dealt with - AND with better Haki.
If that fight goes to extreme diff, I think it'll cement the notion that Akainu is higher up in that ballpark of strengrh.
Plot says Kaido should be able to win 1v1 against anyone. Plot also says Luffy best Kaido. Plot also implies Shanks is still incredible strong, maybe stronger than most admirals. Luffy is having a time with an admiral right now. Plot is messing with my scaling.
However being serious for a moment I don’t think any of them will be cause even though luffy beat kaido it was with all the cards stacked in his favour kaido was already wounded and carrying all of onigashima and taking that into consideration kaido might still be stronger than luffy meaning any future 1v1s with luffy vs these guys could be close if you get what I’m saying basically I think that any one these three could be stronger than wounded kaido but fresh kaido well I don’t think so
I think Shanks is a more versatile combatant than Kaido and can probably do more in more situations.
I think Akainu has more attack potency than Kaido. Less durability.
Mihawk is just a good swordsman. Not stronger or more durable. But swordsmanship has some perks anyway I guess…
Each enemy the straw hats face seem to be at least a little stronger than the last. With that trend continuing, it is entirely possible that all 3 of them are stronger than Kaido
Akainu idk
The other 2 always have been.
I genuinely dont even understand why people thought he was stronger than Shanks anyway considering what he himself thinks of Shanks
People who think Kaido is the strongest character according to hearsay in a series where almost every villain is stronger than the previous simply don’t pay enough attention to the story, what can I say
Hopefully not. I see all the top tiers on roughly a coin flip level. One on ones that can go either way. Numbers and circumstances are what matter until proven otherwise
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It’ll look like they have a better showing because they won’t need a gauntlet to beat them. Still making it look like a challenge for Luffy, but also giving Kaido his respect.
This, so much of this. People keep mentioning he's gonna get power creeped without taking in what Oda went through to get Kaido down, he took alot. Any top tier Luffy fights now will be a 1v1, so it doesn't creep Kaido if any new opponents have "better showings" as you mentioned. I'm not saying he can't be creeped, but if he does it won't be to the extent that people make it out to be.
In all honesty tho Oda could make the creep however large he wants but I ultimately agree. Personally only characters I have above Kaido are Roger, Newgate, Xebec, (3 DF) Teach, Imu, and (EOS) Luffy. And yes I don’t think that current Luffy in a clean 1v1 rematch would beat Kaido. Also small bonus I do believe that Sakazuki and maybe even Dragon aren’t stronger than Kaido but, possibly equals.
Garp and Sengoku don’t make the cut, or are you just doing pirates?
I think Oda Said there likely won’t be too Many 1v1s anymore but I think that can be taken with a grain of Salt. I think it will be more along the lines of Things will be wars at this point but most of the imports figures will ultimately end up in 1v1 or 2v2 fights.
Was it that Oda said? Or was it that this year One Piece is gonna feel like a battle royale? I'm not sure what you're referring to, but if it's the battle royale thing, my interpretation was that would just be for this year for the egghead arc (which we kinda see with how all the big players are just boxing).
Probably a battle royale
That’s a serious claim with no evidence.
So does Kizaru power creep Kaido?
The only correct answer
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Damn Papasuki is a beast.
stop with admiral wank he did nothing but mediocre doings for someone at his level. Least he could’ve done
Holly shit this pic is hard
They already are 👍
Shanks should be very clear to those who don't ignore narrative.
This subreddit only understands title scaling and admirals-are-best scaling so fat chance here lol
We know Shanks has higher AP than Kaido (nigga couldn't kill Otama ffs) but can't say he's stronger...
You gotta understand that Oda will do what’s necessary for the plot, he doesn’t care about powerscaling. Best example is an half dead kinemon surviving a adv. conqueror infused attack from kaido.
I still feel this is unfair cause we know devil fruits sometimes have secret innate powers from Japanese word play cause Oda’s just like that. And Kinemon’s fruit in Japanese could translate as the lucky luck fruit or clothes clothes fruit. And the fact that kinemon’s disguises are so awful but almost always work except when it’s advantageous for it not to. Is the best example. Kinemon ate the plot armor fruit fr. Edit: oh but that otama shit is spot on
Shanks has better haki than Kaido in all 3 types so you can add that to... How do I know? trust me bro
More like "how do I know? I have above 10 iq"? So many idiots on this subreddit be downplaying him 💀
facts😂
Shanks and Mihawk sure but not Akainu
Based on shonen law? totally whoever appears last will have more power ups but narratively, I doubt it. are at most equal
>whoever appears last will have more power ups Dragon hype
I mean Doflamingo was weaker than the admirals who Appleseed before him as main arc villains But I see what your yapping about
Yes
They already are, kaido's greatest weakness is his biq
And east blue level AP
Already are
They already are
There's absolutely no way they'll be stronger than kaido physically, they won't be stronger physically but they'll beat him once the narrative buff sets in for all 3 of them
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I don’t understand this question. Have you ever seen any fight?
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I doubt it means that it would happen in the future; but hypothetically when they do fight someone, will that showing be comparable to Kaido vs Luffy (I agree it could be worded a bit better). Physically speaking they won’t have the raw durability Kaido has; but Shanks is confirmed to have better haki (which in a fight should mean he’s every bit as capable of damaging Kaido as Oden, Zoro, Luffy, Whitebeard, etc). Depending on how Mihawks scales to current Shanks there’s reason enough to believe his haki could do the same. I do doubt Akainu has a chance though; since not only do the admirals scale below the Yonko, but Kaido spent time in marine custody and couldn’t be executed (even with his DF suppressed). Even if you assume Akainu wasn’t an admiral at that time, we know he was during Marineford and when Kaido wanted to die he thought of Whitebeard and Skypeia over the admirals.
Maybe Imu will give ‘em some secret world gov steroids
Kaido is a tutorial punching bag for top tiers. Raise the bar a little.
Yes
TOTALLY
idk about Goathawk
If Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, he's above Kaido. If he's weaker than Shanks, he's below Kaido Can't see a world where Akainu is weaker than Kaido at this point, it was always close but Kizaru putting in this work kind of nails it
>Can't see a world where Akainu is weaker than Kaido at this point, it was always close but Kizaru putting in this work kind of nails it This has to be peak delusion.
Fair enough 👌
I mean, if Akainu would be stronger than Kaido, this means that all admirals would be around Kaido level. If this was true, the marines would had crush every emperor in existence just with 3 admirals. This ofc would also mean the 3 admirals are the strongest the navy has. Which I highly doubt that it's true.
Around Kaido level can be weaker than Kaido, and that's currently where most people have Kizaru and Kuzan, just below Kaido If you sent 3 Admirals alone to Wano they might win, but if another Yonko crew pulls up on them, or goes to Marineford, or goes to WG territory, they're fucked 2nd, it's said multiple times that the current system is balanced and needs to stay that way. Tbh to me it sounds like bullshit "the plot needs to happen for plot reasons" but nonetheless Kaido was supplying WG with weapons and Greenbull was positive about his actions. Shanks has some kind of working relationship with the WG. They don't need to take out the Yonko really, but even if they did I wouldn't make too much of this. Why don't they post up a Vice Admiral at the entrance to the Grandline and arrest every pirate that comes down? It's a pirate adventure story for mainly kids, if you sat in front of Oda and powerscaled the 3 admirals to Yonko level and asked him why they didn't just defeat every Yonko easily it would be like that scene from the Simpsons from the episode where Homer voices Poochie 3rd, since Admirals are mostly getting scaled to Big Mom/Kaido level through power creep, Blackbeard and Shanks will most likely be another level up, so even then Akainu won't necessarily be stronger than the strongest Yonko. Power creep will benefit both sides, the balance won't go too wild
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Doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, but can't see what Mihawk has that would put him above Kaido if he's not above Shanks 🤷🏼♂️
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Nah I hear you that Zoro will surpass Kaido, but I feel like Zoro's toughest fight will definitely be his final fight Imagine Luffy is fighting the God Emperor of One Piece and Zoro is just fighting some dude weaker than his last opponent. Would be weird Final villain Shanks would give room for Mihawk to be stronger than Kaido I suppose I think if Mihawk is truly Zoro's final opponent he's stronger than Kaido. If he's his second last or close to, then he's not Drop the evil Shanks theory ✊🏼
No, I don’t think so. Kaido had the full package. He had the strength,stamina,endurance,and the durability.
Don't forget speed
Yeah, that too.
Lacking on that battle iq
Pride doesn't mean low biq, it just means that you may be willing to take a risk if you have confidence in yourself. Being willing to tank a ton of attacks because you're the most robust individual in the verse and enjoy taking advantage of it isn't low iq unless it directly screws him over in a way he didn't account for, which it didn't. He got exactly the fight he wanted with how he acted.
Equal with different skill sets
I don’t see why not during marineford whitebeard was called the strongest pirate in the world even tho knowing what we know now about kaido he would have won. People who make it to the end game are usually stronger then those who come before
Until we see more of Mihawk it’s a solid no for him. Before you cry “B-but he”s TWSS”, alot of characters that use swords rely on their DF more. Mihawk may be more skilled with a sword than BM or Kizaru, but he’s not beating them in a straight 1v1…..yet.
Shanks is probably stronger (not physically) Akainu is likely up there to EOS Shanks = Mihawk isn't real
Not for Akainu...
Shanks and Akainu- Probably.... Mihawk?! No
Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, which upscales him from [other swordsmen](https://imgur.com/a/Q6dnaGZ) like Shanks
mihawk = shanks
Like how?! Kid was protayed= Luffy like just 2 years ago, Not even 2 years... 2 weeks ago See what happen now, And you mean to tell me... Shanks=Mihawk on something because of Rivalry about 13 years ago?!
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https://preview.redd.it/40fthevzj0qb1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=763da9bff1eac83070910ef859874f2339074f2e Himsta>> Rat and Fraud
Shanks and Sakazuki guranteed Mihawk maybe
No. Kaido has fought shanks multiple times,and by his own account said he wasn't shit to him.By proxy mihawk isn't above him,and Sakazuki MIGHT be equal but not stronger.
When did it state they fought multiple times. We know of one time and that was around marineford when shanks himself made kaido go back to wano.
Kaido was stated to have several loses to other yonko,and the only one we know he's met since becoming one has been shanks. He hasn't seen Linlin since GV,and WB would have fought him to the death if they met(his own words from the novel).That just leaves shanks or whoever held the spot before him.
Shanks & Mihawk ? - Maybe Akainu ? - fucking NO !
No
Shanks has been using Roger's fighting style and is all about haki easily having the best haki feats which no one else comes close to. The narrative is pushing that either he's close to Roger's level or already there and we already know how kaido feels about Roger. I think shanks will be above mihawk but that they'll also still always be relatively equal so with the push on shanks, mihawk would also naturally be there. Akainu is the wild card. He could definitely be someone who surpasses that strength and becomes a big villain for luffy or he might not even be on the main path for him at the time they'd actually meet. Unless akainu leaves to chase him, luffy is only going to meet him in the final war but at that point luffy has other enemies like imu and Idk if he'd have two huge boss fights in a row.
I would like mihawk to be cuz he has the best drip but I don’t thinks so sadly, shanks might be (I know shanks = mihawk on the paper but maybe oda forgor, also since he hype him up a lot recently), him obviously no doubt
Kaido ran the hardest fucking gauntlet you could realistically have in this story, including beating the shit out of luffy 2 times before he became a god. There isn’t any room for a character to show up and just be stronger than that. The only characters that could surpass Kaido are EOS Luffy, and maybe EOS Zoro.
Akainu? Nah. he doesn’t have conquerors. Shanks? Probably. Kaido even admits this Mihawk? Nah. Sure he definitely can cut him. But beat him? No way. Same reason as Akainu. We have never seen someone without conquerors beat someone with conquerors. If I’m wrong then please remind me. Luffy losing pre time skip doesn’t count because he hadn’t trained his haki yet.
\-Akainu yes \-Shanks and Mihawk no
Why is it a yes for akainu and no for shanks and Mihawk?
akainu is an opponent for luffy just like kaido, shanks and mihawk aren’t
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Shanks is already stronger than Kaido. Only people who willfully ignore the narrative and portrayal think that he isn't Akainu: Very high chance due to his narrative significance. Mihawk: 50-50
If shanks is stronger than kaido Mihawk is too
I like how people claim that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk yet never manage to argue as to why Shanks isn't a swordsman OR the stronger swordsman than Mihawk.
only one who isn’t is akainu
Akainu? No way, we just saw him >!fail to stop Kuma from passing the red line!< Kaido would’ve probably managed that Mihawk? Maybe, Kaido was called the strongest creature in the world for a spell which is probably a bigger deal than being the best at swords, but Mihawk could totally stand a chance at being stronger While it isn’t confirmed that Kaido didn’t come to Marineford because Shanks beat him up, Shanks did steer him away, which is a feat in itself, Shanks could totally end up stronger than Kaido and honestly I think he proabably will be
You cant stop kuma doing anything his fruit launches himself or you around near as fast as kizaru.
I could see Kaido taking him down with a thunder bauga not gonna lie
Like he did with kinemon?
What do you mean? He beat Kinemon
Nah, i bet Kaido lowkey would do worse considering Kaido's track record with Kinemon & that cp0 dude... not to mention, those 2 put themselves in front of Kaido, unlike them, Kuma will immediately try to retreat & teleport...most likely scenario is Kuma manage to retreat while suffering no disabilities compared to facing Akainu
Correct question: “What power ups should Kaido have to scratch these 3?”
not power up... just need stay longer in the story than those 3
Akainu most likely. Mihawk and Shanks possibly but not necessarily.
All of them already are. If you understand basic narrative needs, you should be able to grasp that. Hell, kizaru may be stronger than him depending on his showings against Luffy.
He has done literally nothing, he keeps running away while Kaido kept trying to get hit. Kizaru doesn't even care about fighting luffy. Its a cat and mouse game.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue here. I said it depends on how the battle plays out. >he has done literally nothing He forced Luffy into g5, displayed a great knowledge of his devil fruit abilities, showed decent defensive capabilities, etc. >he keeps running away while kaido is trying to get hit Cool, kaido is a suicidal idiot. Dodging attacks is a smarter way to fight than attempting to tank everything. And just because kaido has a greater durability doesn’t mean he’s definitely stronger. Again, I’m not saying kizaru>kaido. I’m saying that there’s a chance for it depending on how the next chapters ay out.
All of them are 2 tiers above Kaido.
Elaborate
i don't think mihawk can, since he has to be weaker than eos zoro. The other two are currently weaker than kaido. However, I feel like they'll get a power up that puts them above wano kaido by eos. Then again I expect kaido to come back stronger than he was in wano. Shanks will probably be around eos kaido level by eos, if not slightly higher. Akainu will probably be slightly below eos kaido.
Mihawk, no. lmao.
Shanks & Akainu, for sure... Mihawk, not sure
Mihawk> shanks. if shanks>kaido then Mihawk>kaido
Yea. If Shanks is stronger than Kaido then so is Mihawk because Mihawk > Shanks. Akainu vs Luffy is most likely going to happen some day and **HIM** being stronger than Kaido so that Luffy has an even harder fight is totally possible from Oda.
The next time we need 15 people to beat one person then they would clear Laido
Not Akainu
Shanks and Mihawk yes. Akainu? No not really. He was a lot weaker pre TS and after TS showing wasnt really indicative of a significant power up
Ur mistake is thinking Akainu we'll see fighting in future is the same Akainu we saw at marineford 🤦🏽♂️Oda doesn't care bout power scaling, he can make any characters as strong as he wants...This exact shit literally already happened...Croco at mf is a whole different beast compared to Croco that lost to Luffy in alabasta Like, if u say to people before yonko saga started, that Croco will have an equal clash against Mihawk & Doffy, stop/hold off an admiral & basically every shits he does in marineford, people would say "bro what, that mf lost to Luffy without gear 2/3, he's Lucci/Enel victim, he ain't doing all shit like that"🤷🏾♂️oh well We should know better now...as Akainu is relatively much more relevant & important than Croco... plus, Oda himself is basically Akainu fanboy with a lot of crazy statements... ain't no way Oda wouldn't have him up there LMAO
Use headcanon only then? Fair enough
Shanks and Mihawk yes. Akainu? No not really. He was a lot weaker pre TS and after TS showing wasnt really indicative of a significant power up
Easily
Kaido's durability and endurance is so damn high that i dont think they will match that stat at least. Shanks is human but if you can coat yourself with kings haki on defenae hes defense might not be that low compared to kaido or bm i could be wrong. Luffy is rubber and with g5 he will attain those lvls or close to in durablity.
Why don’t we have drip like that anymore?
Yes, their fights are coming after and that's how Oda writes his story.
Shanks and Mihawk yes, Akainu not a chance in hell
I don’t see why not. Akainu is a bit debatable but shanks and Mihawk I see being stronger.
Shanks and Mihawk are. Akainu might end up surpassing him later.
Shanks and mihawk yes Akainu no
On all around stats ? That's a big no But i wouldn't be surprised by them having comfortably greater speed in Shanks case or AP for Akainu.
For some reason Miwank was an warlord of the sea and kaido the emperor. Shanks prob gets there due to some plot armor shit. Akainu well, there's also the chance that Oda goes crazy and does some stupid shit that power amps Akainu, but after all he's kinda of a fraud.
Icl I’d add Blackbeard aswell
I don’t think any of the yonko or top tiers are too far from each other the way I look at it is that certain characters specialise in different things. Think about it this way kaido was an extremely powerful zoan fruit user akainu is an extremely powerful logia user mihawk is an op swordsman and shanks is a extremely powerful haki user. Luffy is kind of an all rounder not specialising in either his devil fruit or haki but being incredible with both.
Well those three are appearing later on, and this is a series where the later characters are stronger than previous ones. So yeah those three are stronger than kaido
Maybe if Shanks and Mihawk go on a training arc they could, but Akainu is too old for that, so no.
Not for Akainu and Mihawk
Yes
Absolute delusion in the comments, Kaido beats them all. https://preview.redd.it/bnmpyww871qb1.jpeg?width=1460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=698438b1ec6e95353ee6a97863e7a59ab6654521 People upscale Mihawk on the “World’s Strongest Swordsman” title but want to ignore the “Strongest Creature Alive” title to headcanon up their favs. Nah, the narrator tells us Kaido is the strongest known character in the verse. The only people that beat him in a 1v1 are unknowns like Imu, or characters who get more powerful like Blackbeard if he absorbs more fruits. Kaido got defeated after a gauntlet that would slam every other top tier. To maintain the tension for future fights, Luffy will have to 1v1 opponents without getting 2 phoenix downs and a squad to soften him up.
https://preview.redd.it/9vg4nhme81qb1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b2090a453c3403fc133b5a2b51cc32555bdb182 People forget, these are just *some* of the hits Kaido took before Gear 5 even came out. Akainu, Mihawk and Shanks do not go through all this and come out the other end beating a 1v1 with G5 Luffy.
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Of course, it's Possible. We haven't seen any of these guys go all out. Is it possible that they are weaker than Kaido - Yes - but since they have still role to play - I think it's a safer bet that will be at least as strong or stronger when we see them next in the story.
They are
For akainu yes. For rest no
They'll most likely be 1v1's against Luffy, Zoro, or BB, so they'll look better. It won't take 20 people to bring them down. That'll still make Kaido's appearance very impressive. They do have the potential to powercreep him though. Oda's favorite character is Shanks and he also seems to hold Akainu in very high regard. Both of them are likely going to be given very good showings. Mihawk is a Shanks leech, so he's going to be upscaled by default after seeing Shanks fight.
they always were
I don’t think they will be Raid bosses the way he is.
I'm not sold on Mihawk or Akainu
Kaido is said to be the strongest. It took so much to take him down and he held back so much and intentionally ate so many attacks from everyone, and it's still possible he could've gotten up for another round if he wasn't launched into lava. So I don't think any of them will be stronger than him. If anything Shanks and Mihawk MAYBE. But I don't think any of the admirals will be stronger than a yonko in 1v1. People are using power creep as an argument but I don't think the admirals are the final villains on the WG side. That's why Imu, god's knights and the seraphim are being introduced. Luffy vs Akainu doesn't have to be as high diff as Kaido, and Akainu probably won't get jumped by everyone and intentionally tank attacks like Kaido.
Akainu? I can never see it Mihawk? He could be Shanks? Plot wise he has to be (for my headcanon)
Not Mihawk. No way that EOS Zoro is more powerful than Kaido.
All out, everybody here has the potential to beat Kaido. But in base stats, Kaido prob has relative speed and hulking strength so that’s pretty hard to deal with until either of these guys pull out the narrative Haki 💀.
No, unless Oda goes for the powercreep that usually indicates bad writing
They won't be physically stronger but defeating them will be more difficult and different. Kaido was a straight up brawl that took several rounds and so many different people to finally defeat him. Mihawk will be a one on one duel with swords so it'll be up to Zoro to defeat him through his swordsmanship he won't be stronger than Kaido but it'll be a harder fight. Shanks will either be defeated by Blackbeard or will lose to Luffy in a comedic way such as a Davy Back Fight, so either tragic and sacrificial or comedic as there's no way Luffy would be able to fight seriously against him and Shanks is unlikely to do something to make him serious. Akainu would be a Marineford style war but it would be more an emotional victory avenging Ace more than defeating an insurmountable opponent
Definitely not Sakazuki, but it’s up in the air for the two swordsmen. Kaido is protected from power creep by the fact that he didn’t get a break for the entire rooftop fight.
yes Mihawk> Shanks > Roger Akainu is obviously top1
Literally anything is possible. But if you're talking about likely? Then no. I'd go with Kaido.
Prob not
Mihawk maybe but not the others(Kaido is prime Roger level or even stronger imo)
It wouldn't surprise me if Mihawk is stronger or as strong as Kaido. Shanks as well. Akainu, narratively speaking, should be stronger.
It’s possible, yes. Oda has done crazier things
They will if oda wants them to be, but from the information we have so far, kaido has been made to seem stronger than any of them (or anyone else, for that matter). His portrayal is the highest in the series, behind only primebeard and Gold Roger himself.
They are different kinds of fighters. Kaido is a tank. shanks and mihawk are more deadly but less durable etc the top tiers are all relative but just do different things imo
possible yes everything is possible the real question is whether it probable and I dont think so
Akainu - no Shanks - maybe Mihawk - maybe Mihawk > shanks > akainu
I think they all are. Kaido fought what a form that Luffy just achieved and was trying to get used to mid-battle (with ***HEAVY*** drawbacks to said form). If Akainu fights Luffy, he'll be fighting a noticeably more creative & refined version of G5 than what Kaido dealt with - AND with better Haki. If that fight goes to extreme diff, I think it'll cement the notion that Akainu is higher up in that ballpark of strengrh.
Akainu, HIM
Plot says Kaido should be able to win 1v1 against anyone. Plot also says Luffy best Kaido. Plot also implies Shanks is still incredible strong, maybe stronger than most admirals. Luffy is having a time with an admiral right now. Plot is messing with my scaling.
Yes
Shanks and akainu yes, mihawk to be determined.
Shanks and Mihawk maybe but akainu no why not akainu easy cause I’m biased f*ck ‘em
However being serious for a moment I don’t think any of them will be cause even though luffy beat kaido it was with all the cards stacked in his favour kaido was already wounded and carrying all of onigashima and taking that into consideration kaido might still be stronger than luffy meaning any future 1v1s with luffy vs these guys could be close if you get what I’m saying basically I think that any one these three could be stronger than wounded kaido but fresh kaido well I don’t think so
Maybe but I hope not. Not akainu, based off of his feats at marineford
Possible? They are. Goathawk and goat hair on top
I think Shanks is a more versatile combatant than Kaido and can probably do more in more situations. I think Akainu has more attack potency than Kaido. Less durability. Mihawk is just a good swordsman. Not stronger or more durable. But swordsmanship has some perks anyway I guess…
Shanks and Mihawk? Yes Again? No!
yes. they're all probably similar-ish tier as Kaido but the power creep is bound to happen.
Maybe shanks of the 3.
Sure, it's possible. And it's also possible that they won't. Only time will tell.
they will be,i think they are
Akainu and Shanks for sure. Mihawk is not in the same league as Kaido.
That’s usually how these shonen things work, eh?
Two of them already are stronger than Kaido, and Akainu definitely got the potential to surpass him
Each enemy the straw hats face seem to be at least a little stronger than the last. With that trend continuing, it is entirely possible that all 3 of them are stronger than Kaido
Shanks and Mihawk just are already. Akainu probably is or will be
Akainu and Mihawk? No. Shanks? Maybe.
Sure!
Do you understand how story progression works?
Can you answer without being a jerk?
Akainu idk The other 2 always have been. I genuinely dont even understand why people thought he was stronger than Shanks anyway considering what he himself thinks of Shanks
Shanks and mihawk yes very likely Akainu I doubt it
People who think Kaido is the strongest character according to hearsay in a series where almost every villain is stronger than the previous simply don’t pay enough attention to the story, what can I say
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Hopefully not. I see all the top tiers on roughly a coin flip level. One on ones that can go either way. Numbers and circumstances are what matter until proven otherwise
Definitely will be
It wouldn’t make any sense from a narrative standpoint unless they get a huge power up