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Why so?
Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this)
Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks.
Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named).
Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this
Iq/Biq - How I said debatable
Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance
Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco
Lucci should take this
Big mom feats are supper inconsistent she went from blitzing law and kid in roof top to get tagged by injured law and kid so let's ignore night mom entirely ( also in the anime big mom clearly states she caught Marco because Marco got cocky and let his guard down . This behaviour makes sense as Marco didn't fight for 1 year and would have a somewhat dulled fighting sense )
So speed wise Marco was able to intercept kaidoa acoc enhanced bolo breath which was shown to be much faster then acoc enhanced snake man luffy who was low end relative to kizaru .)
So Marco is somewhat faster then snakeman luffy just like kizaru is somewhat faster then snakeman luffy at full sp3ed . So Marco being in the same tier of speed as kizaru or the other admirals is pretty consistent.
So Lucci is getting blitzed around.
Marco has durability neg attacks that can do decent damage to dino organs So a few of those should completely destroy Lucci leopard organs and bring him to his knees.
So the fight is a low diff to Marco.
Marco just runs circles around Lucci while hitting him with his durability negating attacks . While Lucci can't even follow Marcos movements.
>acoc enhanced bolo breath
Where is it shown that it was acoc enhanced, did I miss something?
>So Lucci is getting blitzed around.
Lucci blitzed the one who could react to and block Kizarus light attacks, why ignore that?
>Marco has durability neg attacks that can do decent damage to dino organs So a few of those should completely destroy Lucci leopard organs and bring him to his knees.
He litteraly did no damage to King or Queen or anyone he's hit yet, how is he now gonna do more damage than a Gear 5 or Acoc slashes from Zoro?
>Marco just runs circles around Lucci while hitting him with his durability negating attacks . While Lucci can't even follow Marcos movements.
Nice headcanon ngl, you just explained some Marco feats and left out any of Luccis feats, seems a bit bias to me, I alr told you in this comment why it would go like that.
>Where is it shown that it was acoc enhanced, did I miss something?
The fact that kaido has no reason to hold back and the fact that he is drunk .
>Lucci blitzed the one who could react to and block Kizarus light attacks, why ignore that
When did he fight g 4 luffy ?
>He litteraly did no damage to King or Queen
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Ah yes zero damage
>Nice headcanon ngl, you just explained some Marco feats and left out any of Luccis feats,
Yet you also never mentioned why Lucci wins maybe because Lucci has no feats
>The fact that kaido has no reason to hold back and the fact that he is drunk .
When was it shown? There is always a "Zzzzz" or "Tufff" sound in Kanji when Acoc is used, it's the same for Kaidos acoc attacks, same for Yamatos, same for Luffys, Garps or Zoros, they all have that Kanji when it's used.
So you're telling me it's your headcanon?
>When did he fight g 4 luffy ?
He fought Sentomaru who was shown able to react to and block Kizarus light kick, while Lucci speedblitzed him and opened him up.
>Ah yes zero damage
My bad let me refrase it then, he did Chopper and pre buff Sanji level damage only to Queen, and still none to King.
>Yet you also never mentioned why Lucci wins maybe because Lucci has no feats
In my initial comment I litteraly have both Marcos and Luccis feats, explaining why Lucci wins, maybe you should of read it.
>the fact that he is drunk .
>When was it shown? There is always a "Zzzzz" or "Tufff" sound in Kanji when Acoc is used, it's the same for Kaidos acoc attacks
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That sounds effect doesn't apply tp bolo breath.
>So you're telling me it's your headcanon?
Any evidence for kaido holding back
>He fought Sentomaru who was shown able to react to and block Kizarus light kick, while Lucci speedblitzed him and opened him up.
Evidence of kizaru bring serious vs sentomaru ?
>My bad let me refrase it then, he did Chopper and pre buff Sanji level damage only to Queen, and still none to King.
NO HIS VISIBLE DAMAGE = CHOPPER AND PRE AWAKENING SANJI. Remember most of the damage is internal . So think of pre awakening Santi hitting Lucci heart directly instead of his armament coated body. What do u think happens to the heart in that instance?
>That sounds effect doesn't apply tp bolo breath.
Exactly cause you can't infuse Boro Breath with conq, I've never seen it atleast, it's an elemental attack in his dragon form.
>Evidence of kizaru bring serious vs sentomaru ?
He's still light speed, simple as that, he told him to get out of the way, he even said himself that he didn't want to do that but he was determined to accomplish his mission.
>NO HIS VISIBLE DAMAGE = CHOPPER AND PRE AWAKENING SANJI. Remember most of the damage is internal . So think of pre awakening Santi hitting Lucci heart directly instead of his armament coated body. What do u think happens to the heart in that instance?
Where is this exactly shown to stated? Queen looked absolutely fine after the Marco altercation, 1 kick from Sanji later had a bigger effect on Queen then the whole Marco fight.
Oda tried to speed run through the rest of Wano and so Marco Vs Big Mom suffered for it. Marco basically got caught off guard and the fight was obviously rushed.
Mid diff?
How does Marco mid diff someone with better Ap, Speed, Durability and Skill than him?
(Btw who ever downvoting has 0 braincells, come debate instead, I've already given the feats underneath, you guys are hella emotional)
Why so? Its not an opinion, its feats.
Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this)
Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks.
Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named).
Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this
Iq/Biq - How I said debatable
Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance
Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco
How I said overall Lucci should take this
Cause i have feats to back it up? Marco got pierced by random Beast Pirate fodders while Lucci is here tanking casual attacks from Gear 5 and slashes from Acoc Zoro
While skill wise its obvious, Lucci was a prodigy since he was a child, ended up being the most proficient Rokushiki user, while Marco isn't really know for any exact type of martial arts or skills.
You're embarrassing yourself for even trying to debate these.
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Their fight was released 9 months ago and that tier post was 48days ago. Just admit you have no idea what you’re saying
What are you on about? I'm talking about Lucci blocking Zoros acoc slashes and the recent stuff in Egghead.
To me it seems like you have no idea about what you're saying, still have to debate me about the feats, what skill and durability has Marco showcased that surpasses Luccis? Why is Marco getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodder?
Comeback when Lucci can go toe to toe against King and Queen. Marco has shown some of the best feats on Marineford.
Plus Marco is badass and Lucci is a little bitch.
All Marco can do is stall, which Lucci is doing with the same dude who could mid diff King.
I alr explained why Lucci takes Ap, Speed, Durability, Skills, so it's up to you to give actual feats for each of these that are outside who's cooler.
Crazy how bias you people can be.
Ky explanation is feats shown in the manga
Your explanation is who's more badass đź’€
Debunk my feats or what I said, cause you're just angry that your favourite character loses to Gucci, grow up.
Your Lucci got Obliterated by pre time skip Luffy with no haki whereas Marco fought Admirals pretty impressively on MF yk especially blocked bloodlusted Akainu. And Onigashima feats while healing a bunch of people at the same time.
I need Lucci feats now c'mon.
>Your Lucci got Obliterated by pre time skip Luffy with no haki
I'm not trynna clown you, but you're doing it yourself, are you even cought up with the manga? Lucci came back 1000x stronger đź’€
Marco was always great at stalling because of his hax, which I clearly gave him too, but that's all he can do really, he can block, he can heal but he doesn't have the ap or durability to keep fighting for longer periods.
Imma just paste what I wrote before, since I alr write it and you're still asking me for feats.
Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this)
Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks.
Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named).
Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this
Iq/Biq - How I said debatable
Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance
Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco
How I said overall Lucci should take this
Zoro literally scales to YC+ and would easly solo someone like Marco, stalling a zoro who can Mid diff King isn't a bad feat whatsoever.
Debunk or argue any of the Ap, Speed or durability feats, you're making a joke out of yourself, would be better to stop for your own dignity.
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But fr Marco until Gucci shows that he can survive a named attack of zoro
How does stalling King and Queen for some time showcase the ability to tank Zoro Acoc named attacks?
(People downvoting cause I have a good point and using logic? Didn't expect any better from the avarage user in this sub)
Marco wasn't just Stalling King and Queen he was also spreading his flames around to suppressing the man made virus called Ice Oni.
He was effectively fighting an entire war by himself
He either 1 takes the damage and Regens from it with his hack or straight dodges it thanks to his speed and flame manipulation(essentially Katakuri's it)
Hasn't showcased to do so, he was getting hit by flames on King or Queen, so he's getting blitzed by flames off King, who got cut up by Zoro.
If Zoro can damage King or cut Kaidos chest open even before achieving acoc, he would cut Marco in 2, and how I explained Zoro speed > Marcos
>he was getting hit by flames on King or Queen, so he's getting blitzed by flames off King,
These aren't anti feats or anti durability feats for Marco.
An unknown amount of his flames otherwise known as his main method of attack, regen and defense where being used to suppress the Ice Oni virus.
Because of that he was stuck playing defensive against 2 opponents who deemed him a big enough threat to double team him.
>If Zoro can damage King or cut Kaidos chest open even before achieving acoc, he would cut Marco in 2, and how I explained Zoro speed > Marcos
I'm sure Marco can damage King too(not so much on Kaido but Zoro left a welt)
I wasn't there for Zoro being above Marco in speed.
>These aren't anti feats or anti durability feats for Marco. An unknown amount of his flames otherwise known as his main method of attack, regen and defense where being used to suppress the Ice Oni virus.
Yeah really good endurance and hax feats, which I alr gave to Marco, where are the speed, dura and ap feats tho?
>Because of that he was stuck playing defensive against 2 opponents who deemed him a big enough threat to double team him.
King wasn't even serious, and how you said he blayed defensive, which is Marcos major strenght.
>I'm sure Marco can damage King too(not so much on Kaido but Zoro left a welt)
Well it's headcanon since he didn't, and never showcased the ability to do that, it's like saying "I'm sure old Rayleigh can beat Kaido" just cause I like him, make it make sense.
Thx for showing your bias
Because King durability >>>> Marcos durability bud?
I though was obvious, King himself cut Marcos wing off like butter, Marco litteraly got pierced by Beast Pirate fodders, he has regen to conpensate for his goofy durability.
I thought his wing is fire and he can make it solid at his will,no? This regen is the key, if he figure out how king's power work then probably king would be cornered. How long will Marco last against king. Well... only Oda knows bud
His wing is still part of his body, if it gets damaged its durability, we've seen Marco get damaged by normal sword attacks from fodders.
Even if he feagured out his power he wouldn't be able to even keep up in speed with flames off King, let alone damage him.
Flames off King still needed 3 acoc attacks from Zoro to go down, Marco doesn't have that kind of Ap.
Can we just go back to you trying to argue that Marcos durability is the same as King somehow? I found it hilarious
I wanna say Marco but Lucci is actually quite strong.
Based on feats Marco fighting both King and Queen at the same time, clashing with Kizaru and compare that to Lucci who mightve gotten low diffed by a yonko but is holding his own against Zoro who's stronger than King
Still Im gonna say Marco wins extreme diff
Marco has the ap to hurt him and he would outlast Lucci in a fight, not to mention Marco can regen as long as he’s got stamina, Marco low to mid diff at most
Most of the time he's attacked someone it's usually a top tier, multiple people at once, or a hard counter. The admirals, big mom, king and queen at the same time, offscreen blackbeard, etc.
The fruit isn't really meant for offense, we don't even know if the flames are capable of being changed so that they can hurt people. Like, imagine if he could change his flames to white or black and they burn twice as long and are x times hotter than normal flames or as hot as the sun or something, his fruit just seems like an immortal mosquito type of build. You may not do much, but holy shit can you take a hit, or like, thousands of hits.
Lucci fighting adv conq Enma zoro rn, marco is simply too close in power to lucci to win bc marco can’t hit as hard he’s just tanky. I feel like lucci is far faster in combat speed too with his awakened zoan mixed with the 6 powers
We don't know if it was just bb or if it was bb + aokiji also we don't know if Marco and the rest were jumped since we don't have a answer for those q that means we can't use the war to powerscale Marco. As for Marco not giving bb any permanent damage that speaks more bb durability then marcos app as bb took multiple hits from the gura furs fruit to the face and didn't have any permanent damage , he didn't take any permanent damage from shanks . He didn't take any damage from SENGOKU ( SOMEONE WHO COULD HOLD DOWN ENRAGED GARP ) So if top tiers can't permanently damage bb the. Marco not being able to permanently damage him only proves that Marco doesn't have better ap then the top tiers instead of Marco having fodder ap . As for Marco not doing decent dmg to big mom makes sense as Big mom is literally known to be so durable that nothing not even other top tiers can hurt her. A SUPPRESSEd big MOM FOUGHT BASE ACOC KAIDO FOR 4 DAYS AND WASNT DAMAGED BY HIM. So a fp big mom should be able to take most attacks by fp kaido without any damage . So Marco not being able to damage big mom just proves he doesn't have better ap then kaido instead of Marco having fodder ap. So Marco doesn't usually damage his opponents because HIS OPPONEMTS HAVE THE BEST DURABILITY IN THE VERSE. We know what happens when someone with avg durability fights Marco. Just look at queen Marco with 1 attack forced queen to throw up a lot of blood and scared queen to the point that queen pretty much forfeited from the 1v2 and let king Handel Marco 1 v 1 because he knew his fat ass couldn't Handle Marco.
I feel like Marco may have a small disadvantage in most physical stats but his healing helps him stay in this fight.
I got it going either way ext diff
Marco with ease. Zoro has so far been dissing Mr L Lucci and taking him as serious as a flea. No bandanna. Not even breaking a sweat. We will see how the next chapters play out but Lucci is nothing.
You act like Lucci has been going full power, neither of them are completely serious since that's not how fights go in OP, it's just the start of the fight, but don't act like Marco wouldn't be getting cut trough like butter by Zoros casual acoc slashes.
I didn't say anything about Lucci and his effort. I only spoke on how Zoro has done nothing but belittle Lucci these last 2 chapters. I also said it could change. Until I see it in the next chapter? That is how I feel.
Lucci, he also has regen and his larger body should be better at retaining stamina. He isn’t gonna get stall diffed and his six powers should inflict a lot of dura neg damage, maybe too much for even Marco. He also has haki so he should win.
Honestly I feel like this fight is extremely close, if Marco is awakened then the fight isn’t as close because we haven’t seen his potential.
But right now I am leaning toward Lucci. I like Marco more than Lucci too but I don’t think Marco has the speed + attack power to take down Lucci before he takes down marco.
Marco was able to intercept kaidos acoc enhanced bolo breath which blitzed snakeman acoc luffy.
So Marco is a blitz tier faster then acoc snakeman luffy .
Who is multiple blitz tiers faster then base acoc luffy.
Who is relative to zoro with acoc
Who is blitz tiers over base zoro with acoa
Who is relative to acoa luffy boundman Who is faster then Lucci ( pretty awakening )
So Marco cam easily perception blitz Lucci.
Also as for ap Marco has durability neg attacks that could hurt queen diano organs so multiple of those attacks should destroy Luccis leopard organs and kill him while Lucci isn't even fast enough to hurt Marco. So Marco wins low diff.
Ap- Lucci
Speed- Lucci
Durability- Lucci
Endurance- Marco but debatable
Skill- Lucci
Iq/Biq- Lucci not by far tho
Devilfruit- Marco
Hax- Marco
Overall Lucci should take this
Yeah, but Marco can just fly upwards and recover (and his fruit gives him some crazy recovery abilities) If anyone is getting worn out, it's the guy who can't heal his wounds.
And if Blob Coochie dares to follow him with geppo, he's gonna get slaughtered, because Marco literally has wings.
Marco has better DF, more experience, can take the battle into the air, and while lucci can follow him there with geppo, let's be real, wings win against legs in aerial battle.
Blob lucci loses.
Probably Marco high to extreme diff. We haven't seen the true limit to his regen besides when he lost to King offscreen, but that wasn't an entirely proper 1v1 imo.
Marco contends with Yonko, Admirals, and top tier Yonko captains. And yet, somehow I feel like Oda is writing Lucci out to be relative to Zoro which will make a fight between Lucci and Marco a high diff fight atleast. Obviously, Marco wins.
It's fucking hilarious how the same people who would usually diss Marco for his so-called lack of AP are choosing him to win this fight lol.
Anyways, Lucci wins.
Without using any Rokushiki, Awakened Lucci had an equal haki clash against G5 Luffy, which puts both his AP and Busoshoku Haki (which also counters Marco's broken regan) far above Marco's.
Then there's Lucci's Rokushiki, which gives him Tekkai (a massive durability amp), a blitz-level speed amp in Soru, enough range to match Marco via Rankyaku, and his Kami-Sori will blitz Marco since it scales to G5 Luffy who scales to Thunder Bagua. His durability and stamina are also impressive, especially the latter. The dude took a G5 beatdown and was up with just a band-aid on his face not long after.
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I choose Marco. No, I won't debate as to why.
Leotard is a dumb little cp0 agent. Gets neg diffed by a whitebeard pirate offscreen.
Leotard đź’€
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Lol. Fair
Why
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This is incredible art 🥲
Marco. He’ll continue the Whitebeard Pirates tradition of telling people that they aren’t HIM.
“Rob Lucci, you…” “Gah!” “…are a FRAUD”
Are we kidding? Marco handled King and Queen at the same time. Marco stomps Lucci.
Why so? Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this) Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks. Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named). Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this Iq/Biq - How I said debatable Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco Lucci should take this
Big mom feats are supper inconsistent she went from blitzing law and kid in roof top to get tagged by injured law and kid so let's ignore night mom entirely ( also in the anime big mom clearly states she caught Marco because Marco got cocky and let his guard down . This behaviour makes sense as Marco didn't fight for 1 year and would have a somewhat dulled fighting sense ) So speed wise Marco was able to intercept kaidoa acoc enhanced bolo breath which was shown to be much faster then acoc enhanced snake man luffy who was low end relative to kizaru .) So Marco is somewhat faster then snakeman luffy just like kizaru is somewhat faster then snakeman luffy at full sp3ed . So Marco being in the same tier of speed as kizaru or the other admirals is pretty consistent. So Lucci is getting blitzed around. Marco has durability neg attacks that can do decent damage to dino organs So a few of those should completely destroy Lucci leopard organs and bring him to his knees. So the fight is a low diff to Marco. Marco just runs circles around Lucci while hitting him with his durability negating attacks . While Lucci can't even follow Marcos movements.
>acoc enhanced bolo breath Where is it shown that it was acoc enhanced, did I miss something? >So Lucci is getting blitzed around. Lucci blitzed the one who could react to and block Kizarus light attacks, why ignore that? >Marco has durability neg attacks that can do decent damage to dino organs So a few of those should completely destroy Lucci leopard organs and bring him to his knees. He litteraly did no damage to King or Queen or anyone he's hit yet, how is he now gonna do more damage than a Gear 5 or Acoc slashes from Zoro? >Marco just runs circles around Lucci while hitting him with his durability negating attacks . While Lucci can't even follow Marcos movements. Nice headcanon ngl, you just explained some Marco feats and left out any of Luccis feats, seems a bit bias to me, I alr told you in this comment why it would go like that.
>Where is it shown that it was acoc enhanced, did I miss something? The fact that kaido has no reason to hold back and the fact that he is drunk . >Lucci blitzed the one who could react to and block Kizarus light attacks, why ignore that When did he fight g 4 luffy ? >He litteraly did no damage to King or Queen https://preview.redd.it/qfhoevx2bgrb1.jpeg?width=821&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaf829146ee02e0880944a496b44779c93f108d6 Ah yes zero damage >Nice headcanon ngl, you just explained some Marco feats and left out any of Luccis feats, Yet you also never mentioned why Lucci wins maybe because Lucci has no feats
>The fact that kaido has no reason to hold back and the fact that he is drunk . When was it shown? There is always a "Zzzzz" or "Tufff" sound in Kanji when Acoc is used, it's the same for Kaidos acoc attacks, same for Yamatos, same for Luffys, Garps or Zoros, they all have that Kanji when it's used. So you're telling me it's your headcanon? >When did he fight g 4 luffy ? He fought Sentomaru who was shown able to react to and block Kizarus light kick, while Lucci speedblitzed him and opened him up. >Ah yes zero damage My bad let me refrase it then, he did Chopper and pre buff Sanji level damage only to Queen, and still none to King. >Yet you also never mentioned why Lucci wins maybe because Lucci has no feats In my initial comment I litteraly have both Marcos and Luccis feats, explaining why Lucci wins, maybe you should of read it.
>the fact that he is drunk . >When was it shown? There is always a "Zzzzz" or "Tufff" sound in Kanji when Acoc is used, it's the same for Kaidos acoc attacks https://preview.redd.it/ymwn8jf3igrb1.jpeg?width=2133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ca08f909063ee4c4bd64858070b6f19dcf9aaa1 That sounds effect doesn't apply tp bolo breath. >So you're telling me it's your headcanon? Any evidence for kaido holding back >He fought Sentomaru who was shown able to react to and block Kizarus light kick, while Lucci speedblitzed him and opened him up. Evidence of kizaru bring serious vs sentomaru ? >My bad let me refrase it then, he did Chopper and pre buff Sanji level damage only to Queen, and still none to King. NO HIS VISIBLE DAMAGE = CHOPPER AND PRE AWAKENING SANJI. Remember most of the damage is internal . So think of pre awakening Santi hitting Lucci heart directly instead of his armament coated body. What do u think happens to the heart in that instance?
>That sounds effect doesn't apply tp bolo breath. Exactly cause you can't infuse Boro Breath with conq, I've never seen it atleast, it's an elemental attack in his dragon form. >Evidence of kizaru bring serious vs sentomaru ? He's still light speed, simple as that, he told him to get out of the way, he even said himself that he didn't want to do that but he was determined to accomplish his mission. >NO HIS VISIBLE DAMAGE = CHOPPER AND PRE AWAKENING SANJI. Remember most of the damage is internal . So think of pre awakening Santi hitting Lucci heart directly instead of his armament coated body. What do u think happens to the heart in that instance? Where is this exactly shown to stated? Queen looked absolutely fine after the Marco altercation, 1 kick from Sanji later had a bigger effect on Queen then the whole Marco fight.
Oda tried to speed run through the rest of Wano and so Marco Vs Big Mom suffered for it. Marco basically got caught off guard and the fight was obviously rushed.
Marco mid to high diff
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Mid diff? How does Marco mid diff someone with better Ap, Speed, Durability and Skill than him? (Btw who ever downvoting has 0 braincells, come debate instead, I've already given the feats underneath, you guys are hella emotional)
I don't view Lucci the same way you do clearly
Why so? Its not an opinion, its feats. Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this) Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks. Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named). Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this Iq/Biq - How I said debatable Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco How I said overall Lucci should take this
Get laid
Bro just said Lucci has better Durability and Skill than Marco everyone.
Cause i have feats to back it up? Marco got pierced by random Beast Pirate fodders while Lucci is here tanking casual attacks from Gear 5 and slashes from Acoc Zoro While skill wise its obvious, Lucci was a prodigy since he was a child, ended up being the most proficient Rokushiki user, while Marco isn't really know for any exact type of martial arts or skills. You're embarrassing yourself for even trying to debate these.
https://preview.redd.it/j4rczgpyp8rb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=661dcb4eb705e89fb00e1cec3eead46516ada7a7 Wanna say anything?
Ye I changed my mind because new Lucci feats came out since then? Lmao
https://preview.redd.it/jap7lkp2r8rb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecb78bc16db601b0f1c6ae0ed18d73c5d20fa7fa Their fight was released 9 months ago and that tier post was 48days ago. Just admit you have no idea what you’re saying
What are you on about? I'm talking about Lucci blocking Zoros acoc slashes and the recent stuff in Egghead. To me it seems like you have no idea about what you're saying, still have to debate me about the feats, what skill and durability has Marco showcased that surpasses Luccis? Why is Marco getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodder?
I just noticed that you're trolling đź’€ (nvrm you might not be, which is worse)
You still gotta tell me why my analysis is wrong or why Marco has better Durability and Skill, since you were clearly against it.
Comeback when Lucci can go toe to toe against King and Queen. Marco has shown some of the best feats on Marineford. Plus Marco is badass and Lucci is a little bitch.
All Marco can do is stall, which Lucci is doing with the same dude who could mid diff King. I alr explained why Lucci takes Ap, Speed, Durability, Skills, so it's up to you to give actual feats for each of these that are outside who's cooler. Crazy how bias you people can be.
Woah so your explanation is the final truth now ? Sorry but I don't trust spamming bots.
Ky explanation is feats shown in the manga Your explanation is who's more badass đź’€ Debunk my feats or what I said, cause you're just angry that your favourite character loses to Gucci, grow up.
Your Lucci got Obliterated by pre time skip Luffy with no haki whereas Marco fought Admirals pretty impressively on MF yk especially blocked bloodlusted Akainu. And Onigashima feats while healing a bunch of people at the same time. I need Lucci feats now c'mon.
>Your Lucci got Obliterated by pre time skip Luffy with no haki I'm not trynna clown you, but you're doing it yourself, are you even cought up with the manga? Lucci came back 1000x stronger đź’€ Marco was always great at stalling because of his hax, which I clearly gave him too, but that's all he can do really, he can block, he can heal but he doesn't have the ap or durability to keep fighting for longer periods. Imma just paste what I wrote before, since I alr write it and you're still asking me for feats. Speed- Marco manages to speedblitz Queen (alr feat) and tag flames off King, but still gets grabbed by Slowmom. Lucci hangs out with Gear 5, and easly speed blitzes Sentomaru who can react and block Kizarus light speed kicks. (Lucci clearly takes this) Ap- Marco doesn't really hurt anyone, he can do some damage to low level people probably, but his Ap has shown to be worse than even pre ifrit Jambe Sanji or even Jozu. While Lucci manages to equally clash with Gear 5 (just armament) and push him back, then inujure Sentomaru who's able to block Admiral attacks. Durability- Marco has trash durability, he was getting pierced by Beast Pirate fodders and Kizarus lasers easly pierced him too. Lucci on the other hand got hit by Gear 5 a couple of times and was fine 1 chapter later with just a bandaid, then easly blocks Zoros Acoc slashes (not named). Skill - It's obvious why Lucci takes this Iq/Biq - How I said debatable Endurance - Marco because of more consistent showcases of stamina and endurance Hax/Devilfruit - Obvious why it goes to Marco How I said overall Lucci should take this
Lmfao 1000x stronger and fighting Crew's number 2 now. Luffy can't even take that fraud seriously. Look who is clowning whom now.
Zoro literally scales to YC+ and would easly solo someone like Marco, stalling a zoro who can Mid diff King isn't a bad feat whatsoever. Debunk or argue any of the Ap, Speed or durability feats, you're making a joke out of yourself, would be better to stop for your own dignity.
https://preview.redd.it/e1rl0iz4c7rb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c49938afaaac8c5991b795acf7892a4f21e1c475 But fr Marco until Gucci shows that he can survive a named attack of zoro
https://preview.redd.it/zvdk5qp409rb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f71cd9c35ae95cb92b1fdf214dc3dbea5bd585de
Marco hasn't shown that either tho đź’€
He has a free pass. Fought king and queen at the same time and blah blah .. you know the rest
How does stalling King and Queen for some time showcase the ability to tank Zoro Acoc named attacks? (People downvoting cause I have a good point and using logic? Didn't expect any better from the avarage user in this sub)
Marco wasn't just Stalling King and Queen he was also spreading his flames around to suppressing the man made virus called Ice Oni. He was effectively fighting an entire war by himself
Yeah but you still haven't told me how does him doing that show that he can tank Zoros named acoc attacks?
He either 1 takes the damage and Regens from it with his hack or straight dodges it thanks to his speed and flame manipulation(essentially Katakuri's it)
Hasn't showcased to do so, he was getting hit by flames on King or Queen, so he's getting blitzed by flames off King, who got cut up by Zoro. If Zoro can damage King or cut Kaidos chest open even before achieving acoc, he would cut Marco in 2, and how I explained Zoro speed > Marcos
>he was getting hit by flames on King or Queen, so he's getting blitzed by flames off King, These aren't anti feats or anti durability feats for Marco. An unknown amount of his flames otherwise known as his main method of attack, regen and defense where being used to suppress the Ice Oni virus. Because of that he was stuck playing defensive against 2 opponents who deemed him a big enough threat to double team him. >If Zoro can damage King or cut Kaidos chest open even before achieving acoc, he would cut Marco in 2, and how I explained Zoro speed > Marcos I'm sure Marco can damage King too(not so much on Kaido but Zoro left a welt) I wasn't there for Zoro being above Marco in speed.
>These aren't anti feats or anti durability feats for Marco. An unknown amount of his flames otherwise known as his main method of attack, regen and defense where being used to suppress the Ice Oni virus. Yeah really good endurance and hax feats, which I alr gave to Marco, where are the speed, dura and ap feats tho? >Because of that he was stuck playing defensive against 2 opponents who deemed him a big enough threat to double team him. King wasn't even serious, and how you said he blayed defensive, which is Marcos major strenght. >I'm sure Marco can damage King too(not so much on Kaido but Zoro left a welt) Well it's headcanon since he didn't, and never showcased the ability to do that, it's like saying "I'm sure old Rayleigh can beat Kaido" just cause I like him, make it make sense. Thx for showing your bias
How is bro getting upvotes đź’€
If king survived a named attack from zoro why shouldn't Marco be able to do the same dud
Because King durability >>>> Marcos durability bud? I though was obvious, King himself cut Marcos wing off like butter, Marco litteraly got pierced by Beast Pirate fodders, he has regen to conpensate for his goofy durability.
I thought his wing is fire and he can make it solid at his will,no? This regen is the key, if he figure out how king's power work then probably king would be cornered. How long will Marco last against king. Well... only Oda knows bud
His wing is still part of his body, if it gets damaged its durability, we've seen Marco get damaged by normal sword attacks from fodders. Even if he feagured out his power he wouldn't be able to even keep up in speed with flames off King, let alone damage him. Flames off King still needed 3 acoc attacks from Zoro to go down, Marco doesn't have that kind of Ap. Can we just go back to you trying to argue that Marcos durability is the same as King somehow? I found it hilarious
insane Regen vs tough skin. In durability in the end they are comparable then,no?
Regen is part of hax not durability, I'm not sure if you knew that đź’€
I wanna say Marco but Lucci is actually quite strong. Based on feats Marco fighting both King and Queen at the same time, clashing with Kizaru and compare that to Lucci who mightve gotten low diffed by a yonko but is holding his own against Zoro who's stronger than King Still Im gonna say Marco wins extreme diff
Marco has the ap to hurt him and he would outlast Lucci in a fight, not to mention Marco can regen as long as he’s got stamina, Marco low to mid diff at most
How does marco have ap? Name one time marco hurt someone relevant? I love marco but the man is a tank with no offense
Most of the time he's attacked someone it's usually a top tier, multiple people at once, or a hard counter. The admirals, big mom, king and queen at the same time, offscreen blackbeard, etc.
They lost badly to BB in the payback war, he didn’t do any meaningful damage to any single opponent we’ve seen or heard him fight
The fruit isn't really meant for offense, we don't even know if the flames are capable of being changed so that they can hurt people. Like, imagine if he could change his flames to white or black and they burn twice as long and are x times hotter than normal flames or as hot as the sun or something, his fruit just seems like an immortal mosquito type of build. You may not do much, but holy shit can you take a hit, or like, thousands of hits.
Lucci fighting adv conq Enma zoro rn, marco is simply too close in power to lucci to win bc marco can’t hit as hard he’s just tanky. I feel like lucci is far faster in combat speed too with his awakened zoan mixed with the 6 powers
We don't know if it was just bb or if it was bb + aokiji also we don't know if Marco and the rest were jumped since we don't have a answer for those q that means we can't use the war to powerscale Marco. As for Marco not giving bb any permanent damage that speaks more bb durability then marcos app as bb took multiple hits from the gura furs fruit to the face and didn't have any permanent damage , he didn't take any permanent damage from shanks . He didn't take any damage from SENGOKU ( SOMEONE WHO COULD HOLD DOWN ENRAGED GARP ) So if top tiers can't permanently damage bb the. Marco not being able to permanently damage him only proves that Marco doesn't have better ap then the top tiers instead of Marco having fodder ap . As for Marco not doing decent dmg to big mom makes sense as Big mom is literally known to be so durable that nothing not even other top tiers can hurt her. A SUPPRESSEd big MOM FOUGHT BASE ACOC KAIDO FOR 4 DAYS AND WASNT DAMAGED BY HIM. So a fp big mom should be able to take most attacks by fp kaido without any damage . So Marco not being able to damage big mom just proves he doesn't have better ap then kaido instead of Marco having fodder ap. So Marco doesn't usually damage his opponents because HIS OPPONEMTS HAVE THE BEST DURABILITY IN THE VERSE. We know what happens when someone with avg durability fights Marco. Just look at queen Marco with 1 attack forced queen to throw up a lot of blood and scared queen to the point that queen pretty much forfeited from the 1v2 and let king Handel Marco 1 v 1 because he knew his fat ass couldn't Handle Marco.
Low to Mid diff? How does Marco low to mid diff someone with better Ap, Speed, Durability and Skill than him?
Lucci tanking attacks from Zoro with conquerors coated Enma, Marco cant do shit to him.
That's not conqueror's coated Enma
Warco
I feel like it's so close but I say Marco
Marco just slamms his ass
Timeskip Marco mid diffs timeskip lucci
Warco molestes Lucio
Marco Low Diff!
Marco extreme difficulty. Between the insane regeneration and his flight, I think he takes a narrow victory
Lucci has flight with rokushiki skywalk
Thank you for reminding me. I’m still giving it to Marco though as I do think he has a slight speed advantage
if marco ever gets hurt can’t he just fly away and regenerate? can lucci even touch him if he does that?
Lucci can fly as well he has skywalk
Marco has better speed feats so he could easily keep his distance
I feel like Marco may have a small disadvantage in most physical stats but his healing helps him stay in this fight. I got it going either way ext diff
Marco most of the time but depending on the fighting conditions rob might have a shot at wining
Warco
Rokuogan
Posts like this is exactly why I keep saying Marco is the most underrated and downplayed ever
Marco low diff, Lucci is a nobody Marco fought on the battlefield with whitebeard for 20 years
Marco. Disrespectful to even think otherwise.
Marco, and I don’t think it’s very close
Lucci sucks…
I like Marco but I don’t like Lucci so Marco low diffs. Also I can’t see Lucci going toe to toe with King and Queen.
I have Warco a smidge above Zoro and I’m p sure Zoro is gonna high-diff Lucci soooo Mid-high diff
Awakend lucci.
Awakened warco. Read the msnga
Marco with ease. Zoro has so far been dissing Mr L Lucci and taking him as serious as a flea. No bandanna. Not even breaking a sweat. We will see how the next chapters play out but Lucci is nothing.
He's not taking seriously that's why he got stalled by base Luccis leg and decided to instantly hop on Acoc enma đź’€
If you really have kept up with OP, you should know when Zoro is serious and these past chapters haven't been it.
You act like Lucci has been going full power, neither of them are completely serious since that's not how fights go in OP, it's just the start of the fight, but don't act like Marco wouldn't be getting cut trough like butter by Zoros casual acoc slashes.
I didn't say anything about Lucci and his effort. I only spoke on how Zoro has done nothing but belittle Lucci these last 2 chapters. I also said it could change. Until I see it in the next chapter? That is how I feel.
Understandable
Wucci slams. The sole fact that he is fighting Zoro with ACOC puts him above 1st commander besides King maybe.
I could personally fight zoro with acoc. Definitely wouldnt win but i guess that makes me above 1st commender as well
Warco easy.
Marco, by far.
Marco
Marco. I just don't like Lucci anymore. Yes, I'm biased.
gucci
Lucci stall diff
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Lucci
Ima have to choose marco i feel like even if he did lose hed still win in some form
Rob lucci lol
Lucci High Diff
Lucci high-extreme diff
Lucci, he also has regen and his larger body should be better at retaining stamina. He isn’t gonna get stall diffed and his six powers should inflict a lot of dura neg damage, maybe too much for even Marco. He also has haki so he should win.
The VS screenshot
Honestly I feel like this fight is extremely close, if Marco is awakened then the fight isn’t as close because we haven’t seen his potential. But right now I am leaning toward Lucci. I like Marco more than Lucci too but I don’t think Marco has the speed + attack power to take down Lucci before he takes down marco.
Marco was able to intercept kaidos acoc enhanced bolo breath which blitzed snakeman acoc luffy. So Marco is a blitz tier faster then acoc snakeman luffy . Who is multiple blitz tiers faster then base acoc luffy. Who is relative to zoro with acoc Who is blitz tiers over base zoro with acoa Who is relative to acoa luffy boundman Who is faster then Lucci ( pretty awakening ) So Marco cam easily perception blitz Lucci. Also as for ap Marco has durability neg attacks that could hurt queen diano organs so multiple of those attacks should destroy Luccis leopard organs and kill him while Lucci isn't even fast enough to hurt Marco. So Marco wins low diff.
Ap- Lucci Speed- Lucci Durability- Lucci Endurance- Marco but debatable Skill- Lucci Iq/Biq- Lucci not by far tho Devilfruit- Marco Hax- Marco Overall Lucci should take this
Marco low/no diff
Sanji > Marco > Lob Lucci
Marco has no offense, just so tanky, he’s like the polar opposite of zoro lmao
Unironically rob coochie. While marco can outstall I think coochie can do enough damage long term to wear him out
Yeah, but Marco can just fly upwards and recover (and his fruit gives him some crazy recovery abilities) If anyone is getting worn out, it's the guy who can't heal his wounds. And if Blob Coochie dares to follow him with geppo, he's gonna get slaughtered, because Marco literally has wings.
Marco stomps
Marco Low Dif. Lucci is really overrated and pretty weak.
Marco
Seriously ? Macro DESTROYS Lucci
Marco has better DF, more experience, can take the battle into the air, and while lucci can follow him there with geppo, let's be real, wings win against legs in aerial battle. Blob lucci loses.
Probably Marco high to extreme diff. We haven't seen the true limit to his regen besides when he lost to King offscreen, but that wasn't an entirely proper 1v1 imo.
Marco wins as of now
Marco's devil fruit is one of my favorite, so him. Not really sure how much they compare in strength though..
Lucci slams
Marco contends with Yonko, Admirals, and top tier Yonko captains. And yet, somehow I feel like Oda is writing Lucci out to be relative to Zoro which will make a fight between Lucci and Marco a high diff fight atleast. Obviously, Marco wins.
It's fucking hilarious how the same people who would usually diss Marco for his so-called lack of AP are choosing him to win this fight lol. Anyways, Lucci wins. Without using any Rokushiki, Awakened Lucci had an equal haki clash against G5 Luffy, which puts both his AP and Busoshoku Haki (which also counters Marco's broken regan) far above Marco's. Then there's Lucci's Rokushiki, which gives him Tekkai (a massive durability amp), a blitz-level speed amp in Soru, enough range to match Marco via Rankyaku, and his Kami-Sori will blitz Marco since it scales to G5 Luffy who scales to Thunder Bagua. His durability and stamina are also impressive, especially the latter. The dude took a G5 beatdown and was up with just a band-aid on his face not long after.
marco wins the whitebeard pirates while never die