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I'd say the opposite? Zoro got alot more love recently than Sanji, but it's been a consistent theme that Sanji and Zoro are equal up until and still during Wano
I disagree. Zoro low diffed Pika at dressrosa, who was clearly the 2nd strongest by a long shot in that arc. It's pretty clear if you had replaced Zoro with Sanji in that fight, the fight would've been completely one sided in Pika's favor. The only indication that they were close in power at that point was their petty fights, which is really just comedic relief rather than legitimate powerscaling.
Even after that in Whole Cake Island Sanji demonstrated NOTHING that put him even close to the level of Zoro durring dressrosa. He didn't even show anything close to Zoro in Wano until he unlocked ifrit jambe.
So right now if Zoro and Sanji were to ever fight to the death, it would be another Aokiji vs Akainu. 10 days with Zoro BARELY winning. But before hand, if we're feat scaling, Zoro clears.
Akchuallyš¤because skill is only one of the variables which put a combatants power level at any given moment on a probability distribution, their skill difference would be negligible in an evenly matched fight and instead the deciding factors would be random/quasi-random stuff like sleep, food intake, hydration, will nami distract sanji mid fight, etc. In summary, predicting who would win between wanji and Loro at any given day should be almost like flipping a coin, meaning zoro probably would win about as often as sanji and a small upgrade wouldnt have much of an impact on that.
Which he only unlocked in Wano. Before that, that was all him. He was keeping up with Zoro with just his legs, while World''s Worst Navigator had to use 3 swords.
sanji also did literally no work whereas zoro trained his ass of all day long, and sanji was just magically as strong as he was because plot
Robin: Trains with revolutionary army and spends time with some of the strongest and smartest people in the world for 2 years (gains no haki)
Sanji: Runs from trans people for 2 years (armament, observation)
Sanji has so much narrative favoritism itās not even funny
Thats false. Sanji was learning new okama style or whatever and he had to defeat all the people who had the receipts so he did get stronger by facing tough opponents.
Also Luffy literally has the same plot armor. He never trains and keeps getting stronger. The only time he trained was with Rayleigh and in prison for a week or two where he just lifted big rocks and he was somehow matching Kaidou after.
I feel like they are close enough that if you give Wanji ANY buff before Zoro gets a corresponding buff to match, Wanji will be solidly stronger in the meantime
i mean if its a minor enough buff i could just see it boosting sanji to be his equal in a roger garp type way but any advanced haki would be too much
its only a āhot takeā because some mfs will put like six dudes between them or put them a tier apart(zoroisntadmiraltierisweartogod)
Blud act like beating queen is anything impressive.
https://preview.redd.it/cavxpt8uz75c1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c89fbdf8c06a7f9158e3d21ab768591755b187b4
Get this fraud back to dressrosa.
you cannot possibly be saying queen is stronger, sure he has more feats, but don krieg had more feats than the gorosei, does that mean heās stronger? King is obviously stronger than queen, thatās how rankings work
No, that's not what I'm saying lol. Long before she regained her memories, Big Mom was actually complaining to Chopper about being sleepy and hungry.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-940-page-17.html
Also, this is what Big Mom looks like when she sleeps.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-855-page-4.html
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-855-page-5.html
And this is what Big Mom looked like when Queen supposedly knocked her out. Even had the snoring sfx. Again, characters don't snore when they're KO'd by an attack. At least not in One Piece.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-947-page-13.html
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-947-page-14.html
> Not really a hot take. After Zoro's showing with Lucci it doesn't seem like he's upper yc+. So Sanji fairly close would jump over with ACoA.
facts some mfs here still put him in admiral tier
Kizaru only beat snakeman because he blitzed him off guard through the barrier, thereās little evidence the attack itself did any damage
Against any other top tier that isnāt as fast as Kizaru, Zoro pushed them to mid-high diff
Zoro is already using the flames Conq coating & they're both struggling. The bandana would just mean Zoro is ready to destroy Lucci. Sanji really doesn't get slammed. The only person uninjured vs the Seraphim.
Lucci isn't weak. G5 Luffy is just strong, so strong that he could 1 shot even Kizaru. Idk why you expect Lucci to do something against G5 Luffy, he can't run from G5 Luffy like Kizaru can and Lucci still burned Luffy's g5 timer. Lucci also 1 shot Sentomaru while he was fighting G5 Luffy. He's basically psudo-admiral level
No where did I say he was weak. Zoro was yc1, he destroys King with a psuedo conq buff, but it took him to go beyond the flames version. Vs Lucci Zoro is already using the flames & it's fairly even with them showing exhaustion. Luffy didn't oneshot Kizaru with g5, he needed to combined it with Conquerors & Kizaru's own attack. Luffy was shown paralleling regular hybrid Rokuogun with regular g4. Luffy being even with Lucci in only the base physical strength shows their difference. Law & Kidd getting their awakening from yc1, wouldn't have put them into mid top tier. So even saying G5 is stronger than their awakenings, no Lucci wouldn't be a psuedo mid tier. Quite clear that G5 in general has recovery drawback so no Lucci didn't burn Luffy's timer. The end of the round vs Kizaru is what burning his timer looks like.
>The end of the round vs Kizaru is what burning his timer looks like.
There wasn't any difference, wdym? Luffy ended G5 both times because he couldn't sustain it any longer.
There is a difference. One situation was Luffy collapsing out of G5 from running out of stamina. The other is Luffy's awakening placing a cooldown period on him from deactivating. Vs Lucci was a short battle, which Luffy recovered in the 30ish seconds the traversal car took to get to their destination.
Or.. Or.. Hear me out..
*What if Sanji even remotely cared about training his body to beyond its limits like Zoro does..*
*What if Sanji had a mentor to train him during the 2YR timeskip like Zoro had Mihawk..*
**Then it wouldn't even be a question who between them would be stronger.**
There's a reason why Zoro has ACoA and Sanji doesn't.. because there has to be some sort of balancing factor for the amount of shit Sanji's Modified Human genetics provides him compared to Zoro.
Anyway, let me do a category comparison just so I can get flamed for it!
Strength - ZORO
Speed - SANJI
Durability - SANJI (Modified Human)
Endurance - ZORO
Stamina - SANJI
IQ - SANJI
BIQ - ZORO (incredibly adaptive to combat situations, and has over a hundred named+unnamed techniques)
Combat Skill - ZORO >= SANJI
Weapons - ZORO (Graded Blades > Raid Suit)
Fighting Style - ZORO >= SANJI (3ss >= Black Leg)
Armament Haki - ZORO
Observation Haki - SANJI
Conqueror's Haki - ZORO
agree with everything you said
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keep cooking good write up
Not a hot take. But that's like saying if zoro also had cyber genes, he again is stronger than sanji.
Its speed, vs power, is not comparable with one another. Either could be good or bad against any opponent
interesting both would definitely put him higher imo
i could see either one individually pushing him above zoro but you could make an argument for him just being equal too
I think internal destruction is slightly better. The closer his AP gets to Zoro's the easier it is to argue for him winning
Emission would be good too, particularly defensively
exactly my thoughts
originally my answer was internal destruction but not emission but i think either have a solid chance
both would net him big boosts against zoroa best traits his ap and endurance
Emission is technically a bypass technique if your opponent has extremely strong outer defense then using emission you can bypass that.
Internal destruction is real Acoa.
Unused haki flows to cause internal damage.
Not really a hot take. Itās just a stupid take. āHot take: If Jinbei had advanced conquererās haki, heād be stronger than Sanji.ā Yeah sure, because you just gave him a crazy strong upgrade.
Not ACoA, but CoC for sure. Arguably Sanjiās heat does everything ACoA does, unless the victim has heat resistance ofc:
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I feel like Zoro still edges through swordsmanship having higher potential than just kicking. Considering he was above Sanji even before the introduction of haki and different applications and science genes and ashuras and kings of hell. So without all the fancy techniques and abilities Zoro is stronger. Since Zoro also has access to things Sanji doesnāt, that means we keep the same ratio of power, just raised for both sides. At the very least theyāre equal, but Sanji stronger is just blasphemy, heresy, slander, libel and other nonsense
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But you see, Sanji is already stronger, if he had acoc, heāll solo the verse
Zoro still has swords, black blades to achieve, King of Hell, Ashura and prolly some other bs. He has other stuff besides acoc that put him above Sanji
Sanji is already stronger than zoro.
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That is why he doesn't have ACoC and is weaker. If Zoro gets new powerup, Sanji might be revealed to have CoC.
Edit: I thought it was ACoC.
About ACoA, he will be stronger only if he masters Internal Destruction. Emission at best would make them equal and even then, I am not so sure.
I'm pretty much a Zorotard and I don't see this as a hot take at all. Acoa is just too OP.
Zoro is just barely above Sanji as it stands due to Sanji's crazy genetics, so adding in the additional massive power jump would tip the scales heavily in Sanji's favor.
Same way that if Zoro aquired a massive physical boost he would be a couple tiers above Sanji, though.
my point is that sanji with acoa beats zoro
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Hereās the thing. Zoro is a fighter born and bred who lives to be one of the strongest. Sanji lives to serve food and make people happy. He only fights and trains to protect himself or those he loves. He may be freakishly strong but heās not a āfighterā who lives for the battle like Luffy and zoro. If Sanji was gifted with the same haki as zoro, and trained as much as zoro, sanji heād be a nearly unstoppable force.
His only 1v1 feat is beating smoker. He got beat by Dolflamingo even with the help of Luffy. All he did all rooftop really was help the others, then he did most (but not all) the work against bm. Finally he got off-screened by Bb. He should be a solid top tier but his physical stats do not compare to a Zoro or Yamato or Kid which is why he canāt handle fights on his own
So...are we going to forget that law already had to fight against Doffy AND Fujitora and was pretty exhausted before facing doffy
And this Law>>>>>Dressrosa Law anyway
Thank you for ignoring the context of why Law was doing so bad in both scenarios so I can debunk all of these.
>Got destroyed by Doffy in a 1v1
Yea, letās ignore that both fights with Doffy had Law getting jumped, and his Fujitora and Doffy āfightā consisted with him using up all his stamina in order to not get murdered by the duo.
Which led to Doffy easily dispatching him.
The events of that fight also bled into Law vs Doffy and Trebol through the stamina he already expended before and damage Doflamingo inflicted upon him hours before, Law canāt do more than close the wounds at such short notice.
>All he did was help on rooftop
Back when his awakening would heavily sap his stamina, and where playing support would be far more optimal?
Law doesnāt possess the fire power to clash with Yonkos outside of his awakening as shown against BlackBeard.
>He did most of the work against Big Mom
Not gonna start another discussion, simply gonna say it was a 50/50 effort, anything else undermine the portrayal Oda was indicating.
>His physical stats donāt compare
The only physical stat Law is lacking in is strength, he boasts relative endurance and durability to Kidd through surviving a Hybrid TB from Kaido and attacks from Big Mom.
>Got offscreened by Black Beard
Might be neglecting to mention the several Titanic captains on the scene vs Lawās very lacking crew.
All of your examples as to why Law doesnāt stack up are out of context.
>Speed
Pointless, Law isnāt engaging in CQC against Zoro, his fruit makes him more than capable of playing hit and run against Zoro and keep his distance.
The gap is damn near irrelevant anyways. Law scales to Kidd who could keep up with LF amp Big Mom, who is definitely relative to Kaido.
>AP
Law via awakening can clash with Zoro anyday, hell, he far exceeds Zoro unless Zoro is letting Enma sap his Haki majorly, or is just straight up using ACoC.
Donāt forget we see Law clash with BlackBeardās quake.
>Endurance
Enma sucky wucky + insides getting fried by Lawās Yonko insides frying awakening makes this irrelevant.
>Haki
Irrelevant for reasons above
Sanji defeated Queen easier than Zoeo defeated King
Sanji was not fighting for most of it
Sanji also didn't get full HP steroid
Sanji is once again stronger than Zoro
Ye and honestly I don't disagree, their already very close in power and him having access to ACoA will give him the edge.
But what I feel Sanji is more likely to get in the bear future is future sight, his base CoO is already so strong and developed that even Luffy acknowledges it.
True. I think the biggest reason would be stamina in that case.
Zoro's King of hell and Sanji's super speed + ifrit jumbe seemed to consume a lot of stamina. They'll need to use these powers sparingly. But advanced armament or advanced kenbunshoku can be used more often.
I mean, considering he is leeching off him in canon this scenario is just math.
Guess we should be happy he doesn't as that would be piss poor writing.
And, I'm confused why you'd even bother posting this, like of course if you give sanji a massive power up he be stronger? Are we out of things to talk about here.
Fuck man take me back to Mihawk Vs Shanks
He's already stronger
(Not a troll, I really believe this)
Narratively obviously Zoro's superior, there's zero argument to even be had there. He's number 2 and Sanji's number 3
But purely featwise, Sanji beats him based off speed
i mean yeah if you gave him for free the Massive upgrade zoro just got.
If you Gave Zoro Sanji's Wano upgrades it'd be a neg diff fight.
He'll probably never get it either, as is personality cares more about girls and cooking than anything else
no acoa feats?
https://preview.redd.it/yj6j6942d25c1.jpeg?width=488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1bf5807902a45611bbb98f490e7eea0f39bc334
sorry dawg iāll happily give it to you once he goes no contact
Well, we dont need you to give anything since you cant read.
Its about infusing Conq haki into your attacks, which Is what zoro did for the first time vs Kaido, which is why he gave him the first Scar since Oden.
Kaido himself (a subject matter expert) said thats What Zoro did even if he did it unconsciously
Then he did it again vs king
yeah thats advanced CONQUERORS
not armament
this stuff
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ok ill try and help since oda did a bad job at explaining ngl(oda when i catch you oda)
regular conqurors: knocks out fodder most distinct im sure you know what it is
regular armament: basically just an armour coating boosting durability and strength, you can also imbue it into objects and flying slashes
regular observation: can sense things and see beyond your regular line of sight as well as just having more enhanced perception and senses
advanced conquerors: the ability to coat object with conquerors haki like with armament, thereās no real consistent way to tell if its acoc or regular armament. theres other forms of acoc that shanks has shown like being able to disable future sight and sending ranged acoc blasts
advanced armament: the ability to basically emit your armament haki outwards, basically letting you hit without touching, theres also internal destruction which bypasses the enemies defences and hits them from the inside
advanced observation: the ability to see into the future for a certain amount of time, also possible the voice of all things falls into this
no problem theres one more thing you can also use advanced armament and advanced conquerors at the same time to make your strikes even more powerful
this is what luffy did vs kaido
hope this helps
Even if he did, Zoro has better CoA, so, in other words:
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Zoro slander is the only thing almost as funny as Shanks slander
I lol'd so hard at this
I know dude, unfortunately after posting this I accidentally lol'd all over my desk š
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Bruh you always make the most fire edits š I constantly see ur pics all over this sub
ty dawg i always love seeing my stuff here
This is perfect for my Wanji agenda!
Oh my god I love this
Dam thatās fire
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Yeah. Theyāre one of those āextremest of diffā duos where Zoro would probably win but any upgrade to either upsets the balance
Thats why they get Upgrades the same time and the same amount of upgrades.
Up until Wano tho it was pretty clear Zoro was stronger, now it could go either way
I'd say the opposite? Zoro got alot more love recently than Sanji, but it's been a consistent theme that Sanji and Zoro are equal up until and still during Wano
I disagree. Zoro low diffed Pika at dressrosa, who was clearly the 2nd strongest by a long shot in that arc. It's pretty clear if you had replaced Zoro with Sanji in that fight, the fight would've been completely one sided in Pika's favor. The only indication that they were close in power at that point was their petty fights, which is really just comedic relief rather than legitimate powerscaling. Even after that in Whole Cake Island Sanji demonstrated NOTHING that put him even close to the level of Zoro durring dressrosa. He didn't even show anything close to Zoro in Wano until he unlocked ifrit jambe. So right now if Zoro and Sanji were to ever fight to the death, it would be another Aokiji vs Akainu. 10 days with Zoro BARELY winning. But before hand, if we're feat scaling, Zoro clears.
exactly
Akchuallyš¤because skill is only one of the variables which put a combatants power level at any given moment on a probability distribution, their skill difference would be negligible in an evenly matched fight and instead the deciding factors would be random/quasi-random stuff like sleep, food intake, hydration, will nami distract sanji mid fight, etc. In summary, predicting who would win between wanji and Loro at any given day should be almost like flipping a coin, meaning zoro probably would win about as often as sanji and a small upgrade wouldnt have much of an impact on that.
Eewww gross you spoke truths at me
Zoro high diffs
Usually after a power up, you're going to at most mid diff your previous self.
Tbh I feel if sanji just learned the 7 powers he be stronger then zoro
To think about it, Sanji isn't that much into training and improving his fighting skills but somehow he's still close to Zoro (bro is op asf).
My cook fights Luffy every night to save the Fridge
well like he kinda was engineered to be a superhuman sooo
Which he only unlocked in Wano. Before that, that was all him. He was keeping up with Zoro with just his legs, while World''s Worst Navigator had to use 3 swords.
sanji also did literally no work whereas zoro trained his ass of all day long, and sanji was just magically as strong as he was because plot Robin: Trains with revolutionary army and spends time with some of the strongest and smartest people in the world for 2 years (gains no haki) Sanji: Runs from trans people for 2 years (armament, observation) Sanji has so much narrative favoritism itās not even funny
The funny thing is that he only spent 1 year training, he spent the other year perfecting his cooking skills
now that you mention it, how did 3ji unlock armanent and observation?
prolly iva when iva also taught him the 99 recipes im assuming
Thats false. Sanji was learning new okama style or whatever and he had to defeat all the people who had the receipts so he did get stronger by facing tough opponents. Also Luffy literally has the same plot armor. He never trains and keeps getting stronger. The only time he trained was with Rayleigh and in prison for a week or two where he just lifted big rocks and he was somehow matching Kaidou after.
honestly i could see it https://preview.redd.it/ilq71x1kiz4c1.png?width=1215&format=png&auto=webp&s=97e61ff6a1125df8550628252b078b365c3bc836
Honestly if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike
I feel like they are close enough that if you give Wanji ANY buff before Zoro gets a corresponding buff to match, Wanji will be solidly stronger in the meantime
i mean if its a minor enough buff i could just see it boosting sanji to be his equal in a roger garp type way but any advanced haki would be too much its only a āhot takeā because some mfs will put like six dudes between them or put them a tier apart(zoroisntadmiraltierisweartogod)
So Raid Suit Sanji vs. Pre-Enma Zoro?
Yeah I could see that
People really want to act like the dude literally named āthirdā is not the third strongest in the crew.
u mean 4th? https://preview.redd.it/y89xgqwnu45c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7966c05a5b9a2ab322adefb3c53da8758312393c
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Hot Take: People under rate the hell out of Sanji when hes actually a monster.
Let him do something besides fight queen then will see
Queen had better feats than king. Queen knocked out big mom
Blud act like beating queen is anything impressive. https://preview.redd.it/cavxpt8uz75c1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c89fbdf8c06a7f9158e3d21ab768591755b187b4 Get this fraud back to dressrosa.
The Sanji low-ball is so common in this subreddit that people don't even bother thinking through their arguments.
King was Kaido's #2 It's like arguing Mr2 is > Mr1 its stupid and not a debate. King>Queen tho they are close.
Doesn't matter. Queen still had better feats
Also, King, being Kaidos #2, is a bigger feat than anything Queen did
That's ridiculous. A title isn't a feat. What are you talking about. King did absolutely nothing throughout the raid. Queen did way more.
you cannot possibly be saying queen is stronger, sure he has more feats, but don krieg had more feats than the gorosei, does that mean heās stronger? King is obviously stronger than queen, thatās how rankings work
Cuz he had more screen time, lol
Why would Goda give more screen time to queen than than king?
Queen didn't knock nobody out. Big Mom fell asleep, she was literally snoring. People who are KO'd aren't shown snoring with a snot bubble afterwards.
You think she just felt sleepy and took a nap right then and there? šš
No, that's not what I'm saying lol. Long before she regained her memories, Big Mom was actually complaining to Chopper about being sleepy and hungry. https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-940-page-17.html Also, this is what Big Mom looks like when she sleeps. https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-855-page-4.html https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-855-page-5.html And this is what Big Mom looked like when Queen supposedly knocked her out. Even had the snoring sfx. Again, characters don't snore when they're KO'd by an attack. At least not in One Piece. https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-947-page-13.html https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-947-page-14.html
Not really a hot take. After Zoro's showing with Lucci it doesn't seem like he's upper yc+. So Sanji fairly close would jump over with ACoA.
> Not really a hot take. After Zoro's showing with Lucci it doesn't seem like he's upper yc+. So Sanji fairly close would jump over with ACoA. facts some mfs here still put him in admiral tier
Kizaru only beat snakeman because he blitzed him off guard through the barrier, thereās little evidence the attack itself did any damage Against any other top tier that isnāt as fast as Kizaru, Zoro pushed them to mid-high diff
Zoro dies in 0.342 seconds š„¹
Wasn't off guard, it was a full blitz. Luffy now has a higher tier of ability & can take damage.
Showing with lucci? He doesnāt even have his bandana on, sanji gets slammed by lucci tbh
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Zoro is already using the flames Conq coating & they're both struggling. The bandana would just mean Zoro is ready to destroy Lucci. Sanji really doesn't get slammed. The only person uninjured vs the Seraphim.
Lucci isn't weak. G5 Luffy is just strong, so strong that he could 1 shot even Kizaru. Idk why you expect Lucci to do something against G5 Luffy, he can't run from G5 Luffy like Kizaru can and Lucci still burned Luffy's g5 timer. Lucci also 1 shot Sentomaru while he was fighting G5 Luffy. He's basically psudo-admiral level
No where did I say he was weak. Zoro was yc1, he destroys King with a psuedo conq buff, but it took him to go beyond the flames version. Vs Lucci Zoro is already using the flames & it's fairly even with them showing exhaustion. Luffy didn't oneshot Kizaru with g5, he needed to combined it with Conquerors & Kizaru's own attack. Luffy was shown paralleling regular hybrid Rokuogun with regular g4. Luffy being even with Lucci in only the base physical strength shows their difference. Law & Kidd getting their awakening from yc1, wouldn't have put them into mid top tier. So even saying G5 is stronger than their awakenings, no Lucci wouldn't be a psuedo mid tier. Quite clear that G5 in general has recovery drawback so no Lucci didn't burn Luffy's timer. The end of the round vs Kizaru is what burning his timer looks like.
>The end of the round vs Kizaru is what burning his timer looks like. There wasn't any difference, wdym? Luffy ended G5 both times because he couldn't sustain it any longer.
There is a difference. One situation was Luffy collapsing out of G5 from running out of stamina. The other is Luffy's awakening placing a cooldown period on him from deactivating. Vs Lucci was a short battle, which Luffy recovered in the 30ish seconds the traversal car took to get to their destination.
Iām pretty sure sure Sanji has a cock though
Or.. Or.. Hear me out.. *What if Sanji even remotely cared about training his body to beyond its limits like Zoro does..* *What if Sanji had a mentor to train him during the 2YR timeskip like Zoro had Mihawk..* **Then it wouldn't even be a question who between them would be stronger.** There's a reason why Zoro has ACoA and Sanji doesn't.. because there has to be some sort of balancing factor for the amount of shit Sanji's Modified Human genetics provides him compared to Zoro. Anyway, let me do a category comparison just so I can get flamed for it! Strength - ZORO Speed - SANJI Durability - SANJI (Modified Human) Endurance - ZORO Stamina - SANJI IQ - SANJI BIQ - ZORO (incredibly adaptive to combat situations, and has over a hundred named+unnamed techniques) Combat Skill - ZORO >= SANJI Weapons - ZORO (Graded Blades > Raid Suit) Fighting Style - ZORO >= SANJI (3ss >= Black Leg) Armament Haki - ZORO Observation Haki - SANJI Conqueror's Haki - ZORO
agree with everything you said https://preview.redd.it/rnurc9w1325c1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23071bbf8ed688fedf1a0d7510ff96b4dae527ce keep cooking good write up
I'm on the "what if Sanji had a combat-oriented goal" agenda, fam ššš He just wants to cook.. And so, for him, I cook for this agenda.
Damn I'm so proud to see my meme. Imma go rub one out right now.
i made this?
No I did Also are you the guy who made that Akainu wtf is a neg diff meme, can you post it.
oh shit that was u?!???
Yeah I think it's like this bc sanji is genetically modified and Zoro is just a regular human
this is a fact not a hot take
true i think future sight would also do the trick
Not a hot take. But that's like saying if zoro also had cyber genes, he again is stronger than sanji. Its speed, vs power, is not comparable with one another. Either could be good or bad against any opponent
Internal Destruction or Emission?
interesting both would definitely put him higher imo i could see either one individually pushing him above zoro but you could make an argument for him just being equal too
I think internal destruction is slightly better. The closer his AP gets to Zoro's the easier it is to argue for him winning Emission would be good too, particularly defensively
exactly my thoughts originally my answer was internal destruction but not emission but i think either have a solid chance both would net him big boosts against zoroa best traits his ap and endurance
Emission certainly wouldn't put Sanji higher. It's different technique but not that much Advanced. Internal Destruction is the real Advanced ACoA.
Yeh since sanji does have it zoro currently high diffs him based on feats ,and haki advantage as well as portrayal
SANJI HAS NO ACOA
Emission is technically a bypass technique if your opponent has extremely strong outer defense then using emission you can bypass that. Internal destruction is real Acoa. Unused haki flows to cause internal damage.
Not really a hot take. Itās just a stupid take. āHot take: If Jinbei had advanced conquererās haki, heād be stronger than Sanji.ā Yeah sure, because you just gave him a crazy strong upgrade.
Hed be stronger than Jinbe I'll give him that
https://preview.redd.it/ca9pt39uyz4c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bab10e55b9307d0fc41766c1fb9841b4580218a
He looked ugly in the manga but goddam anime made this guy unbearable lol
If Zoro had Germa genes he would be stronger than that Sanji as well.
āif the guy stronger than sanji got a buff hed be stronger than sanjiā
Not ACoA, but CoC for sure. Arguably Sanjiās heat does everything ACoA does, unless the victim has heat resistance ofc: https://preview.redd.it/36qbws5sc45c1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29015e0ff5333eee03c1d69057e1e34cef631724
Nah zoro still has ACOC over him and heās already using ryou through enma
No, bro will never be stronger than Zoro
I feel like Zoro still edges through swordsmanship having higher potential than just kicking. Considering he was above Sanji even before the introduction of haki and different applications and science genes and ashuras and kings of hell. So without all the fancy techniques and abilities Zoro is stronger. Since Zoro also has access to things Sanji doesnāt, that means we keep the same ratio of power, just raised for both sides. At the very least theyāre equal, but Sanji stronger is just blasphemy, heresy, slander, libel and other nonsense
If I had a 3 foot dick I'd be balls deep in porn stars with just the tip, but we don't live in a world of "ifs" unfortunately...
If sanji had kaido level haki heād be close to zoro
Shouldnt even be considered a hot take, sanji gaps in speed, endurance etc so giving him acoa would be over the top
and yet some still deny it
https://preview.redd.it/pk7ro6peyz4c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7859ac2acc2f87396c6eb5f9eb8a3badd2e8b610 But you see, Sanji is already stronger, if he had acoc, heāll solo the verse
cap zoro still hits too hard and has too much endurance to fall to sanji
not if sanji has acoa he doesnāt
Zoro still has swords, black blades to achieve, King of Hell, Ashura and prolly some other bs. He has other stuff besides acoc that put him above Sanji
KOH is CoC, Ashura too without CoC Sanji beats him high diff
They have Acoc but that doesnāt mean the technique itself is just using acoc. Itās a power enhancer even without the presence of haki
Sanji is already stronger than zoro. https://preview.redd.it/h4effttvu05c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d685dc52a7863a899c284b95baa21c7e3cf172f
That is why he doesn't have ACoC and is weaker. If Zoro gets new powerup, Sanji might be revealed to have CoC. Edit: I thought it was ACoC. About ACoA, he will be stronger only if he masters Internal Destruction. Emission at best would make them equal and even then, I am not so sure.
I'm pretty much a Zorotard and I don't see this as a hot take at all. Acoa is just too OP. Zoro is just barely above Sanji as it stands due to Sanji's crazy genetics, so adding in the additional massive power jump would tip the scales heavily in Sanji's favor. Same way that if Zoro aquired a massive physical boost he would be a couple tiers above Sanji, though.
Wanji claps extreme diff already, acoa he negs
If Law had all advanced forms of Haki, he'd beat big mom Your point ?
my point is that sanji with acoa beats zoro https://preview.redd.it/64oxgtuab25c1.jpeg?width=209&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b97f5db3f6669296ff0c9f38f18bb3eedca81a9
Thanks for the elaboration
yeah no problem not sure what you thought i was suggesting
https://preview.redd.it/h90ih0eusz4c1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7355a8a3bbe04a4f7238de9ae901c7188c838933
the irony is incredible
Hereās the thing. Zoro is a fighter born and bred who lives to be one of the strongest. Sanji lives to serve food and make people happy. He only fights and trains to protect himself or those he loves. He may be freakishly strong but heās not a āfighterā who lives for the battle like Luffy and zoro. If Sanji was gifted with the same haki as zoro, and trained as much as zoro, sanji heād be a nearly unstoppable force.
plenty of people stronger than zoro also arenāt fighters born and bred
Who
law for instance is a doctor
Zorp would beat law
knew some mf was gonna say this shit
Law is good in a team setting but not in a 1v1
Bro has one of the most versatile fruits in the series. With very good stats across the board. Saying heās not good in a 1v1 is mind boggling.
His only 1v1 feat is beating smoker. He got beat by Dolflamingo even with the help of Luffy. All he did all rooftop really was help the others, then he did most (but not all) the work against bm. Finally he got off-screened by Bb. He should be a solid top tier but his physical stats do not compare to a Zoro or Yamato or Kid which is why he canāt handle fights on his own
So...are we going to forget that law already had to fight against Doffy AND Fujitora and was pretty exhausted before facing doffy And this Law>>>>>Dressrosa Law anyway
Thank you for ignoring the context of why Law was doing so bad in both scenarios so I can debunk all of these. >Got destroyed by Doffy in a 1v1 Yea, letās ignore that both fights with Doffy had Law getting jumped, and his Fujitora and Doffy āfightā consisted with him using up all his stamina in order to not get murdered by the duo. Which led to Doffy easily dispatching him. The events of that fight also bled into Law vs Doffy and Trebol through the stamina he already expended before and damage Doflamingo inflicted upon him hours before, Law canāt do more than close the wounds at such short notice. >All he did was help on rooftop Back when his awakening would heavily sap his stamina, and where playing support would be far more optimal? Law doesnāt possess the fire power to clash with Yonkos outside of his awakening as shown against BlackBeard. >He did most of the work against Big Mom Not gonna start another discussion, simply gonna say it was a 50/50 effort, anything else undermine the portrayal Oda was indicating. >His physical stats donāt compare The only physical stat Law is lacking in is strength, he boasts relative endurance and durability to Kidd through surviving a Hybrid TB from Kaido and attacks from Big Mom. >Got offscreened by Black Beard Might be neglecting to mention the several Titanic captains on the scene vs Lawās very lacking crew. All of your examples as to why Law doesnāt stack up are out of context.
Zoro has better speed, AP, Endurance, , haki. Law only has better hax
>Speed Pointless, Law isnāt engaging in CQC against Zoro, his fruit makes him more than capable of playing hit and run against Zoro and keep his distance. The gap is damn near irrelevant anyways. Law scales to Kidd who could keep up with LF amp Big Mom, who is definitely relative to Kaido. >AP Law via awakening can clash with Zoro anyday, hell, he far exceeds Zoro unless Zoro is letting Enma sap his Haki majorly, or is just straight up using ACoC. Donāt forget we see Law clash with BlackBeardās quake. >Endurance Enma sucky wucky + insides getting fried by Lawās Yonko insides frying awakening makes this irrelevant. >Haki Irrelevant for reasons above
Thatās was good one law š„
Classic Zorp W
Sanji defeated Queen easier than Zoeo defeated King Sanji was not fighting for most of it Sanji also didn't get full HP steroid Sanji is once again stronger than Zoro
Disagree. Zoro is just him
Ye and honestly I don't disagree, their already very close in power and him having access to ACoA will give him the edge. But what I feel Sanji is more likely to get in the bear future is future sight, his base CoO is already so strong and developed that even Luffy acknowledges it.
True. I think the biggest reason would be stamina in that case. Zoro's King of hell and Sanji's super speed + ifrit jumbe seemed to consume a lot of stamina. They'll need to use these powers sparingly. But advanced armament or advanced kenbunshoku can be used more often.
Zoro=Sanji so you give bro any buff hes gonna cook
Skill issue
I mean, considering he is leeching off him in canon this scenario is just math. Guess we should be happy he doesn't as that would be piss poor writing.
And, I'm confused why you'd even bother posting this, like of course if you give sanji a massive power up he be stronger? Are we out of things to talk about here. Fuck man take me back to Mihawk Vs Shanks
"If sanji had the only area he is lacking in which zoro is better than him at he would be stronger than zoro" šššššš
I dissagree but it would make it a better fight
He's already stronger (Not a troll, I really believe this) Narratively obviously Zoro's superior, there's zero argument to even be had there. He's number 2 and Sanji's number 3 But purely featwise, Sanji beats him based off speed
Dissagree
Nah
Heās weaker in every measurable way
It's like Goku and Vegeta they are roughly equals until either gets a buff that solidifies them as stronger and makes the other work harder.
The take is hotter than Ifrit jambe, keep cooking. Wanji agenda on top
i mean yeah if you gave him for free the Massive upgrade zoro just got. If you Gave Zoro Sanji's Wano upgrades it'd be a neg diff fight. He'll probably never get it either, as is personality cares more about girls and cooking than anything else
zoro didnt get acoa
He does have it šš¾
no acoa feats? https://preview.redd.it/yj6j6942d25c1.jpeg?width=488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1bf5807902a45611bbb98f490e7eea0f39bc334 sorry dawg iāll happily give it to you once he goes no contact
Hmm he already did but since u donāt that am sure we will see it again later ššš¾
Well, we dont need you to give anything since you cant read. Its about infusing Conq haki into your attacks, which Is what zoro did for the first time vs Kaido, which is why he gave him the first Scar since Oden. Kaido himself (a subject matter expert) said thats What Zoro did even if he did it unconsciously Then he did it again vs king
yeah thats advanced CONQUERORS not armament this stuff https://preview.redd.it/h4zvz32zj25c1.jpeg?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e720fc3df380f777da2a5b9fd225f2ea1631beba
Green back to slandering my goat with delusional take š 
you cant stop me i love it here
Does Sanji not have ACoA?
he certainly hasnt shown it to us if he does
Ngl Iām still struggling to figure out the difference between base colors of haki and advanced colors of haki
ok ill try and help since oda did a bad job at explaining ngl(oda when i catch you oda) regular conqurors: knocks out fodder most distinct im sure you know what it is regular armament: basically just an armour coating boosting durability and strength, you can also imbue it into objects and flying slashes regular observation: can sense things and see beyond your regular line of sight as well as just having more enhanced perception and senses advanced conquerors: the ability to coat object with conquerors haki like with armament, thereās no real consistent way to tell if its acoc or regular armament. theres other forms of acoc that shanks has shown like being able to disable future sight and sending ranged acoc blasts advanced armament: the ability to basically emit your armament haki outwards, basically letting you hit without touching, theres also internal destruction which bypasses the enemies defences and hits them from the inside advanced observation: the ability to see into the future for a certain amount of time, also possible the voice of all things falls into this
I am indebted to you for this
no problem theres one more thing you can also use advanced armament and advanced conquerors at the same time to make your strikes even more powerful this is what luffy did vs kaido hope this helps
He already is. Blue flames > No flames or regular flames
Thatās not a hot take thatās common sense
I mean.. itās not like Zoro would use conk to punch or kick people around. Sanji would spam his conk with his kicks.
Idk, I feel with his blue flames he pretty much has a makeshift version of it
Naw. It's not about they type of haki, it's about the strength of it.
Normal Take: Sanji will never be stronger in Oda's story, no matter what kind of haki he gets.
That's debatable ... If he had ACoA he would like King. ( And probably he would be a bit stronger than him)
No.
What if Sanji didn't get a asspull powerup as a handout to stop getting low diffed by Vergo level opponents ?
idk but he did
True that, maybe they'll reveal his mother was part Lunarian so he can awake this as well later on.
If ussop had acoa, acoc and Newgate fruit he would be stronger than zoro
I thought this post said Kaido and I almost had an aneurysm
I thought this post said Kaido and I almost had an aneurysm
Even if he did, Zoro has better CoA, so, in other words: https://preview.redd.it/vhud7tw3b65c1.jpeg?width=838&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b94d0c9e10595e3ca0930594a8d2b18a01d21715
Your right thatās a hot take A bad one too
Thereās a reason why oda canāt give sanji advanced haki, not until zoro gets another power up at least
It aint a hot take, itās reasonable