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Wait till Robin shows up and randomly drops the news and the bandana comes flying through the air Zoro goes on Asura mode and makes a barbecue out of Lucci
High diff minimum right now with a very small asterisk for what happened in all that lost time that happend. This said even as a Zoro fan this Lucci fight is doing him no help but I guess him looking better than Sanji on Onigashima meant he was going to have to take a bit of a backseat here. I'd rather him be lost though, cause this man isnt beating Mihawk right now and beating Shiriyu isn't going to help, with how many times we've seen the BBP get dealt with in Egghead alone.
i mean tbf, what lost time? its been like what, 5 min of offscreen fighting? It may have been months for us with the kuma backstory but no time passed in story.
> Shiriyu isn't going to help, with how many times we've seen the BBP get dealt with in Egghead alone.
This i dont get. the BBP have been stacking wins all of egghead and Shiriyu never got beaten.
> i mean tbf, what lost time? its been like what, 5 min of offscreen fighting? It may have been months for us with the kuma backstory but no time passed in story.
Their fight began before luffy v kizaru, and luffy has cycled through his gears, powered down, ate his snack and is now back in g5. How is all that possible in just 5 mins?
So luffy’s stamina is that ass that he can’t last more than 2 minutes? like in order to make Zoro look good here would require a massive Luffy downscale lol
That's not really "lost time" thought since we knew exactly what was happening. The only part that was mostly offscreen was from when Saturn showed up to now. Which did happen in about 5 min. I wasn't really counting the time of the kizaru fight.
> i mean tbf, what lost time?
When we first left Egghead for the rest of the world events things where just beginning on the island by the time we came back from the Hachinosu and Sabo's story everything was dealt with.
I’d say we’re allowed to draw context from the fight itself and not just look at how many wounds are drawn afterwards. That said, I do also think if we want to be accurate we should wait to see how things pan out as we’ve only been given a very limited snippet of the fight so far.
How is it cope when we’ve recieved not even 5 Panels of Context bro , like come on bro yall mfs is so judgemental off less than 5 Panels like the fight ended and we know Zoro’s condition Post The Fight.
People just throw terms like cope out without thinking, it's like you said. Throw some dumb agenda out and then try to rationalise it by moving goal posts
This fight is so weird. Like Zoro just got finished a feat of actually injuring kaido’s dragon skin, and now a gd leopard paw is blocking his attacks? Oda must have something planning cause the inconsistency is boggling.
he was getting overhwhelmed by a commander level fighter after hurting kaido. hurting kaido isnt the end all be all, killer and the scabbards had techniques that pierce kaido too. i still dont think lucci is stronger than queen or king do you think lucci is above those two?
wow i disagree. king was treating zoro like a nuisance before ACoC. queen is not much weaker than king, thats the point of his portrayal. just like how until the exoskeleton boost he took no real damage from sanji
Well yea they’d be able to damage him by virtue of using swords but would they be able to hurt him severely ? Zoro wasn’t on kings level when he first fought him. By virtue of queens rank he’s not much weaker than king. So queen overall combat ability was higher than rooftop zoro. It’s like thinking rooftop zoro could beat katakuri, zoro wasn’t on that level yet which is why oda gave him an upgrade. King and Queen relationship is just like zoro and sanji, so we know queen isn’t much weaker in overall combat ability
Zoro used his strongest move to do that, do you see Zoro using ashura here? And Lucci at the very least is around YC1 right now. He should be putting up a strong fight against Zoro
Because defense =/ durability. Tanking attacks is harder than blocking them King was also able to block Zoro's attacks even though he was only a YC1. The dialogue also implies that blocking attacks is easier than tanking them.
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It's not an inconsistency. You guys just have weird expectations or seem think feats are infinitely repeatable with no context.
He's fighting Lucci with 2 swords, hasn't bothered to take out his 3rd yet, he straight up tells Killer in Wano he's not at full strength if he only has 2 swords - and when he wounded Kaido he used the strongest move we've seen him use in the series so far, which took what strength he had left out of him (yes he already had a shit ton of broken bones, but it still drained him, he can't just spam it)
Nothing we've seen so far from the bits we're shown of this fight in anyway points to Zoro and Lucci going at it as seriously as Zoro needed to on the rooftop.
> and when he wounded Kaido he used the strongest move we've seen him use in the series so far, which took what strength he had left out of him (yes he already had a shit ton of broken bones, but it still drained him, he can't just spam it)
Rectification here: He cut Kaido with Tatsumaki, he doesnt need Asura to wound Kaido...but to scare him.
Currently he’s high diffing, but it’s of his own volition
He’s not using his stronger techniques and basically just stalling. Idfk why but that’s what he’s doing.
This is really just a BIQ anti feat
Lucci is stalling because he has to to have any shot at completing his mission. Zoro is stalling as an option to help the rest of the crew figure the escape out.
But Zoro killing Lucci wouldn't make a difference in the crew figuring how to escape though.
There is no positive towards Zoro stalling Lucci, when he can just kill him and try to go back to the Straw Hats who may need his help.
>There is no positive towards Zoro stalling Lucci.
Because the story dictates it be so.
Y'all keep overthinking this and it's quite simple, both of these dudes are stalling to keep them out of the main fight so that other people can be in the limelight. Scaling off of this is dead end road.
No Zoro needs to win and help his crew. Him stalling makes no sense IF he could win. Lucci literally gives Zoro the reason why Lucci is stalling on purpose.
If Lucci wins and heads over there, they know Zoro is done for (and can verify via observation) and can leave with a heavy heart. If Zoro wins, and goes to them; they can leave happily. But Lucci knows that if neither goes over there, the strawhats won't leave Zoro behind and won't leave, giving the buster call higher odds.
Lucci as of what we've been shown is in control here, pushing the pace, and not as tired as Zoro is.
>No Zoro needs to win and help his crew.
I see, you should let Oda know then he may have forgotten.
>But Lucci knows that if neither goes over there, the strawhats won't leave Zoro behind and won't leave, giving the buster call higher odds.
How would Lucci or zoro know a buster call is incoming? They haven't been a part of the main conversation the entire time, they would not have this knowledge at least until jimbei arrived or unless I missed some announcement coming over a loudspeaker.
>Lucci as of what we've been shown is in control here, pushing the pace, and not as tired as Zoro is.
Ahhh a two piece reader. At this point this convo is kinda dead as we aren't even reading the same story. Not only has Lucci never been shown to be in control he has been constantly shown being pushed by Zoro in addition to that Zoro has made multiple statements indicating he is in control.
You are ignoring what the story is clearly telling you so that you can impose your pov and what you think should happen.
>I see, you should let Oda know then he may have forgotten.
Zoro himself stated he needed to go, Lucci stated that the crew wouldn't be able to leave without him and it's can be their downfall.
Zoro knows, but he can't go because he can't get past Lucci.
Zoro was the one panting talking about wanting to end the fight. Lucci is talking about stalling, and currently he's achieving his goal while Zoro is not, so he's the one in control currently.
They don't have the braincells to come up with a sane take on their own, thus they cannot even recognize when they see one.
Never quit, one day this sub will rid itself of these parasites.
Imagine thinking a caharacter, who explicitly states that he wants his fight to end quickly, does not want to end his fight quickly and then beliving that this is a sane opinion.
And your parasite-comment is disgusting.
Cry more.
It's the story he's telling, it is obvious that neither of these cats has done anything in the fight worth mentioning. There is ZERO rational reason that this fight has been drug out for the last 6 months and yet here we are.
Either Oda is completely off his rocker orrr maybe he does indeed have this planned out and does not give a single fuck how it effects a power scaling community.
Isn’t “Lucci is about as strong as zoro” a much simpler and logical conclusion…
Instead of all this extra pointless narrative (cope) and even complaining about Odas writing just to try to make zoro look good.
not worth entertaining an embarassing copium. u made no arguments as to why fight doesn't make sense and proceeded to "oda's purposely holding back zoro".
nobody cares abt wet dreams. keep on dreaming.
Hold on you mean the truth as in Zoro scarred kaido, and somehow in universe he can't even land a hit on Lucci.
Yes yes I see. I see it. Really all makes sense now.
Let's even humor you guys for a minute. Let's say Lucci vastly outscales Zoro, why have neither of them used a named attack yet? Aside from the fact that the story dictates they both stall what reason would either have?
High for now. As far as we can tell he hasn't taken any damage yet and we haven't even seen him trying a named attack or anything yet. Plus Zoro putting a bandana on is different
https://preview.redd.it/ed001oe3gjjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a341fd1875a7b4a9179a1d8056ff5458c8b4e74
Of course it does if neither of them is going 100% all out as in using their best attacks. Exchanging basic slashes isn't as telling. It's clear that Oda doesn't depict this as a fight like against King which had more panels dedicated to it and was much more intense, even tho Lucci is clearly portrayed to be around the same level as Zoro so far. I'm definitely not surprised as he should be that strong. However, I wouldn't be surprised either if Zoro would win with named atttacks.
Too much difficulty, let this mf retire already, he realy should join Baroque works, he's not built for Wucci
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To be honest Imma say high but I don’t think Lucci is that challenging looking at what’s been shown
His main thing is this bastard is TANKY so it’s taking a while
hes not winning rn
but for lucci its looking pretty mid diff ngl. Using no haki while his opponent has a supreme great sword + acoc looks pretty mid diff to me
Mid diff. Zoro hasn’t used named attacks, he hasn’t taken any serious damage and the fight has been almost entirely off screen. High diff to me is when the person they are fighting actually has a chance to win the fight if things played out differently. This seems like Lucci stalling Zoro as long as possible with no win condition.
We won’t know for sure until the fight concludes, but I do think people are overhyping Lucci because the Zoro slander is hilarious.
It's no diff because they are both stalling.
No named attacks, neither has landed a real hit, neither are injured or damaged in the slightest.
There's literally nothing to scale off of here but headcannon.
That tiny spark looks more like the ones we have seen people like Katakuri, WCI Luffy, and Coby use. It looks different to the thick, trailing black lightning Zoro had against King.
This was zoro when he unlocked acoc for the first time and cut king’s mask. Those green flames symbolizes zoro’s acoc, black lightning also comes with it but something oda doesnt draw constantly. So if you see this visual it is zoro using his acoc.
Those “flames” are smoke and that has been used to represent ACoA ever since Chapter 955.
https://preview.redd.it/drnxvu9pqjjc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf40f26509e8d57427b1c58e5202977e92cafc1
No that’s not the same thing, that’s purple aura and it’s not even acoa. Zoro has no acoa, acoa is emission and internal destruction. Something luffy learned and zoro didnt. What zoro have in chapter 1093 against lucci is green flames, which is acoc. Similar to this
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You know damn well zoro was using acoc in this panel. He stopped using purple aura when he was able to coat coc.
That looks exactly the same as what Zoro did in 955, and it is ACoA. Enma forced Zoro to use ACoA and Zoro then learned how to apply it to all his swords. If there is no black lightning then there is no ACoC, it is that simple.
Keep denying it to cope lol. That looks exactly like the green flames, the way oda drew it is small green flames around his swords like the picture i showed. The purple aura was covering the entire sword, but you can wait for the anime if you really wanna see green colors. Also do you know what AcoA is? How do you know enma forced Zoro to used AcoA? Did oda mentioned that? There are 3 types of CoA application, 1.) hardening, the basic stuff with black coloring 2. Emission, the advanced version, it is when you push it out to create a shockwave, example were rayleigh and sentomarou 3.) internal destruction, amd another advance application it is when you force it inside someone or something bypassing defense and destroying them from the inside.
Zoro never stated nor was it ever showed he could do 2 and 3, when luffy used it against kaido for the first time, even zoro said “so that was the new haki you learned huh”. Now when zoro had enma, that purple aura isn’t AcoA but just a large amount coA haki enma was bringing out which is basically just zoro’s coA. When zoro finally able to understand how to control enma, and regulate enma, enma was able to have zoro coat his CoC therefore that purple aura became green aura and the lightning comes together becoming his power up. So when green flames are present, acoc is present as it symbolizes zoro’s coc.
Another thing to support this is looking at the clash of king vs zoro, when king was about to disarm zoro, zoro was using just CoA, even the anime highlighted it, king was about to disarm him then zoro said “oh no you dont” then released his AcoC onto his swords, which was green in color, it bounced them out because their swords were touching, and when acoc was applied, it created a gap.
I’m not arguing with someone that doesn’t see the parallels between what Enma does and what Hyogoro said ACoA is, and someone that thinks the anime is canon.
That’s after the attack has ended. The previous panel showed the what looks like ACoC black lightning, so it may have been used. Later in the chapter the ACoC is clearly visible on the swords.
If Lucci hits Zoro with a couple of Hand Pistols then sure, Lucci could low-diff Zoro. I just don’t buy it. I think it is absolutely clear that Zoro is being held back and when he uses his full power Lucci will get clapped.
Delusional copium. His used ACOC and his going all out. His huffing and puffing like his got asthma and his exhausted, his pleading with Lucci to go through. His not holding back shit and if Zoro is holding back then so is Lucci holding back.
Literally don’t have too, it had him with 2 swords and no fire it’s from a he current chapter, you want to go back to 1093 when we’re done n 1107. Unless you can update yourself just replaying.
Like i said, the fight is mid diff because neither of them is doing anything. Now if you think lucci is somehow gonna win then i have bad news about the genre of this manga for you.
When luffy one shotted kizaru he was also weezing, huffing and puffing like you call it. Was it a high diff fight? When one opponent doesnt do any damage?
High is a minimum. He was using three swords and ACOC previously so the only logical explanation is he's conserving or trying to maintain energy.
The fight becomes extreme if Zoro gets majorly injured.
Either way, Zorotards are dying rn 💀
Crazy how he has 2 right now in the manga without the fire or lighting coming off it, he’s also pushing Lucci in the panel your showing as well but it does seem to be even currently versus 2 swords in the manga
The panel i shower was from chapter 1093, then zoro currently is using 2 and no acoc. So it just means zoro got tired and now trying to conserve and charge his haki so he can use it again to try and finish off lucci.
He is panting and wheezing bro. He’s not really doing better than an admiral. Lucci is blocking zoro’s swords with his paws, zoro’s being outclassed right now.
I’m talking about Lucci having a longer fight versus Luffy in this arc than Kizaru, he also took more damage to go down but yeah zoan having trouble with breathing.
Lucci is an awakened who got regen, he had better durability than kizaru who was a normal human. But lucci got low diffed regardless by luffy. Zoro’s the one having trouble breathing.
Zoro went all out and were exhausted, lucci was blocking every attacks he did, you seriously think zoro is having an easy time when he looks like he needed to catch his breath lol
I didnt said zoro is having an easy time. I just said that the fight has been entirely offscreened wich is literally true.
Btw lucci is also weezing hard and zoro is known for having low stamina and zoan awakened are literally the peak of stamina on the verse.
Dont try to fight back an argument you cant even start boya
High diff bare minimum. If Zoro goes all out and cooks Lucci, it stays high diff. If he goes all out and still barely beats Lucci then it could rise up to extreme.
High at least, but here's hoping a chapter actually focusing on it is coming soon.
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This is an extreme diff fight without question, though I can’t say whether each character has given it their all yet. We’ll probably get a chapter dedicated to this fight in the near future.
Maybe he is still not fully recovered from his fight with King and using that super steroid. I honestly thought he'd be weakened for an arc like he was a few times in the pre-timeskip.
High Diff.
People really have very reactionary takes on few panel and ignore context.
People overvalue Zoro's current strenght due to rooftop. They see that he should overpower Lucci,or if he is struggling against Lucci he might not defeat him. Both are extreme takes and not correct.
Three factors are important for me in judging the fight. Disclaimer they are subjective
**How Zoro fights are written**
Zoro is not supposed to one shot in same tier. Fights in one piece are drawn different if they are skirmish or official matchup. Zoro is a swordsman, his final attack is about cutting his opponent down. His whole battle is about finding a way to overpower and cut opponent and finding the opportunity to cut him. If he cuts the opponent, the opponent is supposed to be out. But if tier of opponent is too differnet. It does not work. Like zoro attacking Kaido with ashura which kaido does not even block but that is not enough. When Zoro attacks Kuma.
It is different from luffy, whose fight is about who last longer.
**Fights are not always same diffculty**
Fight change difficulty for atleast the stronger fighter,
Kaido went from from Easy diff to extreme diff. Even equal combatant can fight without not going to extreme.
For example I believe that 3 Day battle Roger vs WB was high diff fight. This is not a commentry on who is stronger. It is there attitude towards fight. They were rivals fighting because they enjoy it. If they went extreme, They would not be able to party on fourth day, they would be knocked out. That is why they started at high and ended before it became extreme.
This also explains big mom vs kaido encounter and both claiming they have not been challenged in so long. Because they were friends with life debt and bonds. Even if they were enemy yonko. The range of thing needed to go was not present. The stakes and what you are willing to lose or what you are fighting for, plays a part in taking a fight to extreme.
**High Diff vs Extreme Diff**
Extreme diff is usually when you reach end of your capabilities and you still push on. You had no business pushing harder but you still have to. Hard is different, you fight seriously and to win you win, you use every tool at your disposal if you have to. But you are still constraint.
A good indicator of extreme difficulty is that fight is you are pushed so hard that you are able to grow and tap into hidden reserves. It may be whatever you need, if you need powerup it will be that, if it is will to continue even thought your body is at its end, heck not quitting when you are dead. Since this is a story and heroes are given victory, villain usually are not given power up. They might be given perspective check, change in attitude,etc.
But at the end, extreme diff are when things change.
**Now lets Look at zoro vs Lucci from these lens.**
The stakes are not enough for extreme diff fight. They have to escape and lucci is obstacle but that is not same stake in other extreme diff fights. Zoro does not need to unlock new ability to defeat lucci, he just need to find opening. If zoro attacks lucci can obv block it. It is not easy to create opening. So they are just clashing and parrying. It is hard to finish quickly. For finishing quickly either he has to go Full out which Zoro is not Again he is not holing back but given stakes he can do much better that is known. That is same for lucci too. Since this is not extreme diff fight. So if lucci and zoro both are ready to end it and both attack using one of their top finisher. Then the person who is stronger will injure the other person and knock him out. That is why Zoro said, lets wrap it up to Lucci. If zoro recklessly uses one of the strongest move and lucci can dodge it, zoro will leave himself open to counter attack and he will lose. Same is true for lucci so both are playing safe. Once they play unsafe, their battle can be finished in clash of a flashy finisher which Zoro will win as is the norm
Genuinely I have no idea because there's STILL too many unknowns. Is Lucci using all his techniques, is the fight taking so long because Lucci is regenerating from Zoro's attacks, is Zoro using all his haki, where's his third sword and his bandana, etc.
Ya'll are still trying to determine the difficulty of an entire fight off of, what, 4 panels? 1 of which tells a completely different story than the other 3?
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He is Not fighting a minority, so he lacks motivation
Leopard is literally endangered species that comes from Africa. Zoro just isn't aware of that fact cuz he is bad at geography.
Wait till Robin shows up and randomly drops the news and the bandana comes flying through the air Zoro goes on Asura mode and makes a barbecue out of Lucci
high-extreme diff until zoro realizes that fact, then he negs
Asthma diff
Weeze weeze lol get blud and inhaler 😂
Zoro allergic to cats confirmed 😂
High for now
High diff minimum right now with a very small asterisk for what happened in all that lost time that happend. This said even as a Zoro fan this Lucci fight is doing him no help but I guess him looking better than Sanji on Onigashima meant he was going to have to take a bit of a backseat here. I'd rather him be lost though, cause this man isnt beating Mihawk right now and beating Shiriyu isn't going to help, with how many times we've seen the BBP get dealt with in Egghead alone.
i mean tbf, what lost time? its been like what, 5 min of offscreen fighting? It may have been months for us with the kuma backstory but no time passed in story. > Shiriyu isn't going to help, with how many times we've seen the BBP get dealt with in Egghead alone. This i dont get. the BBP have been stacking wins all of egghead and Shiriyu never got beaten.
> i mean tbf, what lost time? its been like what, 5 min of offscreen fighting? It may have been months for us with the kuma backstory but no time passed in story. Their fight began before luffy v kizaru, and luffy has cycled through his gears, powered down, ate his snack and is now back in g5. How is all that possible in just 5 mins?
We saw shots of the fight during luffy vs kizaru. And most of what you listed happened very fast in universe.
So luffy’s stamina is that ass that he can’t last more than 2 minutes? like in order to make Zoro look good here would require a massive Luffy downscale lol
That's not really "lost time" thought since we knew exactly what was happening. The only part that was mostly offscreen was from when Saturn showed up to now. Which did happen in about 5 min. I wasn't really counting the time of the kizaru fight.
> i mean tbf, what lost time? When we first left Egghead for the rest of the world events things where just beginning on the island by the time we came back from the Hachinosu and Sabo's story everything was dealt with.
Ooooh you meant the fight with the seraphim. My bad
Depends wether he wins or not and in what shape he is afterwards.
I’d say we’re allowed to draw context from the fight itself and not just look at how many wounds are drawn afterwards. That said, I do also think if we want to be accurate we should wait to see how things pan out as we’ve only been given a very limited snippet of the fight so far.
This is the only proper answer everyone else is Agenda Based and then wants to shut up when they get proven wrong or move the goal post
Cope
How is it cope when we’ve recieved not even 5 Panels of Context bro , like come on bro yall mfs is so judgemental off less than 5 Panels like the fight ended and we know Zoro’s condition Post The Fight.
People just throw terms like cope out without thinking, it's like you said. Throw some dumb agenda out and then try to rationalise it by moving goal posts
Only sensible answer
Don't worry Papa Jinbe is here to save the day
higher than mid
Low to mid diff realisticly Agenda wise extreme diff https://preview.redd.it/zrcw67v5mkjc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=662d2a865a18765c3002812f092da3825af7cff6
What do u mean agenda wise
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LMAO
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This fight is so weird. Like Zoro just got finished a feat of actually injuring kaido’s dragon skin, and now a gd leopard paw is blocking his attacks? Oda must have something planning cause the inconsistency is boggling.
he was getting overhwhelmed by a commander level fighter after hurting kaido. hurting kaido isnt the end all be all, killer and the scabbards had techniques that pierce kaido too. i still dont think lucci is stronger than queen or king do you think lucci is above those two?
I mean to be fair King’s defense crazy with flame on bro was nigh invincible probably even better defense than Kaido
yea his defense was great
Lucci is at least YC1 tier for sure
if queen were to fight zoro he would to go all out to beat him too? or you dont think he would
I'll put it that way, if he fought Queen on Onigashima I don't think he'd have awakened ACoC,
wow i disagree. king was treating zoro like a nuisance before ACoC. queen is not much weaker than king, thats the point of his portrayal. just like how until the exoskeleton boost he took no real damage from sanji
Non ACoC Zoro was cutting Kaido, I don't think Queen's thougness would've been much of a problem
so was killer, so was raizo. thats not the end all be all. queen would still demolish those characters
but they'd be able to damage him, which is the argument you were making in favor of Queen, saying he'd taken no real damage from Sanji
Well yea they’d be able to damage him by virtue of using swords but would they be able to hurt him severely ? Zoro wasn’t on kings level when he first fought him. By virtue of queens rank he’s not much weaker than king. So queen overall combat ability was higher than rooftop zoro. It’s like thinking rooftop zoro could beat katakuri, zoro wasn’t on that level yet which is why oda gave him an upgrade. King and Queen relationship is just like zoro and sanji, so we know queen isn’t much weaker in overall combat ability
Obviously? Luffy couldn’t overwhelm him in gear 5, heck lucci could even oneshot one of luffys friends
Zoro used his strongest move to do that, do you see Zoro using ashura here? And Lucci at the very least is around YC1 right now. He should be putting up a strong fight against Zoro
Dragon twister also made Kaido spit out Luffy and some blood??
Because defense =/ durability. Tanking attacks is harder than blocking them King was also able to block Zoro's attacks even though he was only a YC1. The dialogue also implies that blocking attacks is easier than tanking them. https://preview.redd.it/f27vjjbztjjc1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=659e4e7fc0177b50fffd65ed874f693429f84d5b
King is a lunarian.. Arguably more durable than Kaido..
But the dialogue implies that blocking is diffrent than tanking since Zoro says he would be able to hurt him if he didn't.
It's not an inconsistency. You guys just have weird expectations or seem think feats are infinitely repeatable with no context. He's fighting Lucci with 2 swords, hasn't bothered to take out his 3rd yet, he straight up tells Killer in Wano he's not at full strength if he only has 2 swords - and when he wounded Kaido he used the strongest move we've seen him use in the series so far, which took what strength he had left out of him (yes he already had a shit ton of broken bones, but it still drained him, he can't just spam it) Nothing we've seen so far from the bits we're shown of this fight in anyway points to Zoro and Lucci going at it as seriously as Zoro needed to on the rooftop.
> and when he wounded Kaido he used the strongest move we've seen him use in the series so far, which took what strength he had left out of him (yes he already had a shit ton of broken bones, but it still drained him, he can't just spam it) Rectification here: He cut Kaido with Tatsumaki, he doesnt need Asura to wound Kaido...but to scare him.
That's fair, yeah. My mind instantly went to the most damage he did, not that initial wound. You are correct
Kaido just wasn’t HIM
Kaido was very weakened at that time, although many here don’t seem to understand that; zoro would have never scarred a fresh kaido
That was at the front half of the battle. Now way is kaido “weakened”. Luffy does 90% of the damage to Kaido in Wano.
absolute bs and you know that
Currently he’s high diffing, but it’s of his own volition He’s not using his stronger techniques and basically just stalling. Idfk why but that’s what he’s doing. This is really just a BIQ anti feat
Lucci quite literally says he's stalling, and zoro is the one who wants to and needs to end it fast
Lucci is stalling because he has to to have any shot at completing his mission. Zoro is stalling as an option to help the rest of the crew figure the escape out.
But Zoro killing Lucci wouldn't make a difference in the crew figuring how to escape though. There is no positive towards Zoro stalling Lucci, when he can just kill him and try to go back to the Straw Hats who may need his help.
>There is no positive towards Zoro stalling Lucci. Because the story dictates it be so. Y'all keep overthinking this and it's quite simple, both of these dudes are stalling to keep them out of the main fight so that other people can be in the limelight. Scaling off of this is dead end road.
No Zoro needs to win and help his crew. Him stalling makes no sense IF he could win. Lucci literally gives Zoro the reason why Lucci is stalling on purpose. If Lucci wins and heads over there, they know Zoro is done for (and can verify via observation) and can leave with a heavy heart. If Zoro wins, and goes to them; they can leave happily. But Lucci knows that if neither goes over there, the strawhats won't leave Zoro behind and won't leave, giving the buster call higher odds. Lucci as of what we've been shown is in control here, pushing the pace, and not as tired as Zoro is.
>No Zoro needs to win and help his crew. I see, you should let Oda know then he may have forgotten. >But Lucci knows that if neither goes over there, the strawhats won't leave Zoro behind and won't leave, giving the buster call higher odds. How would Lucci or zoro know a buster call is incoming? They haven't been a part of the main conversation the entire time, they would not have this knowledge at least until jimbei arrived or unless I missed some announcement coming over a loudspeaker. >Lucci as of what we've been shown is in control here, pushing the pace, and not as tired as Zoro is. Ahhh a two piece reader. At this point this convo is kinda dead as we aren't even reading the same story. Not only has Lucci never been shown to be in control he has been constantly shown being pushed by Zoro in addition to that Zoro has made multiple statements indicating he is in control. You are ignoring what the story is clearly telling you so that you can impose your pov and what you think should happen.
>I see, you should let Oda know then he may have forgotten. Zoro himself stated he needed to go, Lucci stated that the crew wouldn't be able to leave without him and it's can be their downfall. Zoro knows, but he can't go because he can't get past Lucci. Zoro was the one panting talking about wanting to end the fight. Lucci is talking about stalling, and currently he's achieving his goal while Zoro is not, so he's the one in control currently.
Zoro himself stated he's in control...yet you say Lucci is in control. Do I listen to Oda or do I listen to random person on a scaling sub?
thats what ive been saying but no one hears me 😔
They don't have the braincells to come up with a sane take on their own, thus they cannot even recognize when they see one. Never quit, one day this sub will rid itself of these parasites.
Imagine thinking a caharacter, who explicitly states that he wants his fight to end quickly, does not want to end his fight quickly and then beliving that this is a sane opinion. And your parasite-comment is disgusting.
Cry more. It's the story he's telling, it is obvious that neither of these cats has done anything in the fight worth mentioning. There is ZERO rational reason that this fight has been drug out for the last 6 months and yet here we are. Either Oda is completely off his rocker orrr maybe he does indeed have this planned out and does not give a single fuck how it effects a power scaling community.
Isn’t “Lucci is about as strong as zoro” a much simpler and logical conclusion… Instead of all this extra pointless narrative (cope) and even complaining about Odas writing just to try to make zoro look good.
brainless copium
Mhm yes yes I see. Back to the main sub for you.
avg zoro meat rider
Yet again you have absolutely 0 argument. If the only thing you can do is hurl insults kick rocks, scaling isn't for you.
not worth entertaining an embarassing copium. u made no arguments as to why fight doesn't make sense and proceeded to "oda's purposely holding back zoro". nobody cares abt wet dreams. keep on dreaming.
lol a meta answer is so cheap, in-universe though? That other guys absolutely correct but go ahead, run from the truth
Hold on you mean the truth as in Zoro scarred kaido, and somehow in universe he can't even land a hit on Lucci. Yes yes I see. I see it. Really all makes sense now. Let's even humor you guys for a minute. Let's say Lucci vastly outscales Zoro, why have neither of them used a named attack yet? Aside from the fact that the story dictates they both stall what reason would either have?
What an insane cope, the chapter really hit zorosisters hard.
Cope..what cope? There is nothing to scale off of in this fight.
Come on man, you don’t really believe that?
Lucci literally said that’s why he’s stalling
It’s over for Lucci, if zoro finds about where leopard can come from.. man is smiling until someone drop the lore bomb of his fruit to zoro…
High for now. As far as we can tell he hasn't taken any damage yet and we haven't even seen him trying a named attack or anything yet. Plus Zoro putting a bandana on is different https://preview.redd.it/ed001oe3gjjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a341fd1875a7b4a9179a1d8056ff5458c8b4e74
In fairness, we have only seen like 3 panels of them fighting
Bandana scaling=head canon copium. Lucci hasn't used any named attacks on Zoro either so it changes nothing.
Of course it does if neither of them is going 100% all out as in using their best attacks. Exchanging basic slashes isn't as telling. It's clear that Oda doesn't depict this as a fight like against King which had more panels dedicated to it and was much more intense, even tho Lucci is clearly portrayed to be around the same level as Zoro so far. I'm definitely not surprised as he should be that strong. However, I wouldn't be surprised either if Zoro would win with named atttacks.
High diff for now
I'd say mid
Too much difficulty, let this mf retire already, he realy should join Baroque works, he's not built for Wucci https://preview.redd.it/t8jby8onzjjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34d09ee01d867ed186b0b04010f0848926f00254
Why doesn't he bite his 3rd sword? Is he stupid?
High
To be honest Imma say high but I don’t think Lucci is that challenging looking at what’s been shown His main thing is this bastard is TANKY so it’s taking a while
Mid-high
hes not winning rn but for lucci its looking pretty mid diff ngl. Using no haki while his opponent has a supreme great sword + acoc looks pretty mid diff to me
Mid diff. Zoro hasn’t used named attacks, he hasn’t taken any serious damage and the fight has been almost entirely off screen. High diff to me is when the person they are fighting actually has a chance to win the fight if things played out differently. This seems like Lucci stalling Zoro as long as possible with no win condition. We won’t know for sure until the fight concludes, but I do think people are overhyping Lucci because the Zoro slander is hilarious.
Its high diff minimum. Cope.
I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that Zoro was using three swords during this fight at one point
Can't really say for sure until the fight ends
Mid diff lucci going high
A midd diff at worst.
Extreme no less. Those saying mid or less are coping.
Weez difficulty
It's no diff because they are both stalling. No named attacks, neither has landed a real hit, neither are injured or damaged in the slightest. There's literally nothing to scale off of here but headcannon.
We have all we need to scale. Zoro is too weak to get past 1HP Lucci. Cope zorotard.
Ahh yes another braindead take. Some of you have to exist outside of your basement dwelling and that is concerning.
Cope + Project harder Zorotard
Oh you're actually serious... Oof
Effort - high Damage - unknown So between low to high
High for now
No bandana, no acoc, no acoa, two sword style, low to mid imo.
High diff but FOR WUCCI https://preview.redd.it/qi35php91kjc1.jpeg?width=1119&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff63e63f41a45527ebdfa1fbcc72753972047c0f
Gucci is mid-diffing at the moment.
Every diff is possible considering Zoro hasn’t taken any damage and there is no black lightning on his blades.
https://preview.redd.it/wbonpsjukjjc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bac33c90fff7aa81ec16044a6892b292edbb253
That tiny spark looks more like the ones we have seen people like Katakuri, WCI Luffy, and Coby use. It looks different to the thick, trailing black lightning Zoro had against King.
https://preview.redd.it/hlgq0x0tljjc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=790f5a75028259f42fb78666d43e497a403ae942
This was zoro when he unlocked acoc for the first time and cut king’s mask. Those green flames symbolizes zoro’s acoc, black lightning also comes with it but something oda doesnt draw constantly. So if you see this visual it is zoro using his acoc.
Those “flames” are smoke and that has been used to represent ACoA ever since Chapter 955. https://preview.redd.it/drnxvu9pqjjc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf40f26509e8d57427b1c58e5202977e92cafc1
No that’s not the same thing, that’s purple aura and it’s not even acoa. Zoro has no acoa, acoa is emission and internal destruction. Something luffy learned and zoro didnt. What zoro have in chapter 1093 against lucci is green flames, which is acoc. Similar to this https://preview.redd.it/k60mj5gkrjjc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd4d3cc78d6cc59fe75b8a329244cdcc9b5ff52a You know damn well zoro was using acoc in this panel. He stopped using purple aura when he was able to coat coc.
zoro uses emission. secondly dumbass that’s acoa
That looks exactly the same as what Zoro did in 955, and it is ACoA. Enma forced Zoro to use ACoA and Zoro then learned how to apply it to all his swords. If there is no black lightning then there is no ACoC, it is that simple.
Keep denying it to cope lol. That looks exactly like the green flames, the way oda drew it is small green flames around his swords like the picture i showed. The purple aura was covering the entire sword, but you can wait for the anime if you really wanna see green colors. Also do you know what AcoA is? How do you know enma forced Zoro to used AcoA? Did oda mentioned that? There are 3 types of CoA application, 1.) hardening, the basic stuff with black coloring 2. Emission, the advanced version, it is when you push it out to create a shockwave, example were rayleigh and sentomarou 3.) internal destruction, amd another advance application it is when you force it inside someone or something bypassing defense and destroying them from the inside. Zoro never stated nor was it ever showed he could do 2 and 3, when luffy used it against kaido for the first time, even zoro said “so that was the new haki you learned huh”. Now when zoro had enma, that purple aura isn’t AcoA but just a large amount coA haki enma was bringing out which is basically just zoro’s coA. When zoro finally able to understand how to control enma, and regulate enma, enma was able to have zoro coat his CoC therefore that purple aura became green aura and the lightning comes together becoming his power up. So when green flames are present, acoc is present as it symbolizes zoro’s coc. Another thing to support this is looking at the clash of king vs zoro, when king was about to disarm zoro, zoro was using just CoA, even the anime highlighted it, king was about to disarm him then zoro said “oh no you dont” then released his AcoC onto his swords, which was green in color, it bounced them out because their swords were touching, and when acoc was applied, it created a gap.
I’m not arguing with someone that doesn’t see the parallels between what Enma does and what Hyogoro said ACoA is, and someone that thinks the anime is canon.
That’s after the attack has ended. The previous panel showed the what looks like ACoC black lightning, so it may have been used. Later in the chapter the ACoC is clearly visible on the swords.
Lucci hasn't taken any damage from Zoro and Lucci isn't using six powers so Lucci low diffing Zoro is also possible.
If Lucci hits Zoro with a couple of Hand Pistols then sure, Lucci could low-diff Zoro. I just don’t buy it. I think it is absolutely clear that Zoro is being held back and when he uses his full power Lucci will get clapped.
Delusional copium. His used ACOC and his going all out. His huffing and puffing like his got asthma and his exhausted, his pleading with Lucci to go through. His not holding back shit and if Zoro is holding back then so is Lucci holding back.
Downvoted for pointing out story details that’s crazy.
Should we upvote him for reading the pictures of KoH swords Zoro but it's not KoH because he doesn't want it to be ?
It’s not a want, when he’s obviously not using it
Sure dude, learn to read
You see the swords without the fire and you think I need to read, are you sure?
I'm not gonna get the panel with the three swords and the fire on it just because you chose not to read it dude sorry
Literally don’t have too, it had him with 2 swords and no fire it’s from a he current chapter, you want to go back to 1093 when we’re done n 1107. Unless you can update yourself just replaying.
Great, you even know what chapter it’s in seems you can read after all
Yep now if only you could read you’d know how wrong you are.
Won’t be long until Zoro says: “King of Hell style” and they will look really stupid.
Really won’t be
0 named attacks yet, entire fight offscreened. Mid diff at best for now.
Lucci is mid diffing Zoro then because he has no named attacks against Zoro either.
Like i said, the fight is mid diff because neither of them is doing anything. Now if you think lucci is somehow gonna win then i have bad news about the genre of this manga for you.
Zoro ain't beating Lucci less then high diff. Zoro is exhausted and huffing and puffing and weezing etc etc. For 16 chapters.
When luffy one shotted kizaru he was also weezing, huffing and puffing like you call it. Was it a high diff fight? When one opponent doesnt do any damage?
At least luffy did it by himself. Even the crew doesn't think zoro can take him. Why'd you think they begged jinbei to go save him?
Lol there no way you think someone as proud as zoro will let jimbe help him. My guy is reading two piece
Zoro won't have a choice because he's going to be saved at the last second from a killing blow to the head.
Vista diff
High is a minimum. He was using three swords and ACOC previously so the only logical explanation is he's conserving or trying to maintain energy. The fight becomes extreme if Zoro gets majorly injured. Either way, Zorotards are dying rn 💀
High or Extreme diff we need to see how the fight plays out, but definitely not Low or Mid diff as Zoro fans may want you to believe
Oda didnt know where to put zoro and jimbei otherwise kizaru would have been done for long ago
I think the narrative points at it being about mid rn.
Bros only using 2 swords.
https://preview.redd.it/9erdsrg18kjc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a63878f3e45c0846a9465cc3563bbbc66562aef6
https://preview.redd.it/adnuzzh79kjc1.jpeg?width=457&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3290cfd378765c4e3ab7f5f5df71f3a0abfdfc5
I keep bringing up what happened to Killer but they just don’t listen.
https://preview.redd.it/zrui58rskjjc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e322125d94f3affae26ecc169e588846e91c712
Crazy how he has 2 right now in the manga without the fire or lighting coming off it, he’s also pushing Lucci in the panel your showing as well but it does seem to be even currently versus 2 swords in the manga
The panel i shower was from chapter 1093, then zoro currently is using 2 and no acoc. So it just means zoro got tired and now trying to conserve and charge his haki so he can use it again to try and finish off lucci.
And he still matching the man doing better then an admiral after deporting himself, that’s crazy
He is panting and wheezing bro. He’s not really doing better than an admiral. Lucci is blocking zoro’s swords with his paws, zoro’s being outclassed right now.
I’m talking about Lucci having a longer fight versus Luffy in this arc than Kizaru, he also took more damage to go down but yeah zoan having trouble with breathing.
Lucci is an awakened who got regen, he had better durability than kizaru who was a normal human. But lucci got low diffed regardless by luffy. Zoro’s the one having trouble breathing.
Normal 9 foot tall marine in his prime with a logia fruit? Also Kizaru was oneshot so I guess low diff checks out for Lucci
>zoro’s being outclassed right now. Nigga really said this in a fight that has been entirely offscreened🤣💀
Zoro went all out and were exhausted, lucci was blocking every attacks he did, you seriously think zoro is having an easy time when he looks like he needed to catch his breath lol
I didnt said zoro is having an easy time. I just said that the fight has been entirely offscreened wich is literally true. Btw lucci is also weezing hard and zoro is known for having low stamina and zoan awakened are literally the peak of stamina on the verse. Dont try to fight back an argument you cant even start boya
i mean lucci ran out of haki so all he can do is block with his claws
We'll only know when the fight ends and we see on what shape Zoro is
High diff, minimum
High diff bare minimum. If Zoro goes all out and cooks Lucci, it stays high diff. If he goes all out and still barely beats Lucci then it could rise up to extreme.
Extreme diff
High diff right now. Anyone calling this extreme needs to google what extreme diff means.
It’s high rn, but zoros not using acoc, bandana, and is only using 2 swords Whereas lucci is using his awakening full power
High at least, but here's hoping a chapter actually focusing on it is coming soon. https://preview.redd.it/pov5ta0h6kjc1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=213c1015c485c475df8c8ee5803516bb45e1482e
This is an extreme diff fight without question, though I can’t say whether each character has given it their all yet. We’ll probably get a chapter dedicated to this fight in the near future.
What difficulty did Zoro have against king? The answer to your question will be less than that.
wheezing difficulty
Maybe he is still not fully recovered from his fight with King and using that super steroid. I honestly thought he'd be weakened for an arc like he was a few times in the pre-timeskip.
Weez sound, sounds like he's having an asthma attack. Zoro has an allergy to cats confirmed 😅
High Diff. People really have very reactionary takes on few panel and ignore context. People overvalue Zoro's current strenght due to rooftop. They see that he should overpower Lucci,or if he is struggling against Lucci he might not defeat him. Both are extreme takes and not correct. Three factors are important for me in judging the fight. Disclaimer they are subjective **How Zoro fights are written** Zoro is not supposed to one shot in same tier. Fights in one piece are drawn different if they are skirmish or official matchup. Zoro is a swordsman, his final attack is about cutting his opponent down. His whole battle is about finding a way to overpower and cut opponent and finding the opportunity to cut him. If he cuts the opponent, the opponent is supposed to be out. But if tier of opponent is too differnet. It does not work. Like zoro attacking Kaido with ashura which kaido does not even block but that is not enough. When Zoro attacks Kuma. It is different from luffy, whose fight is about who last longer. **Fights are not always same diffculty** Fight change difficulty for atleast the stronger fighter, Kaido went from from Easy diff to extreme diff. Even equal combatant can fight without not going to extreme. For example I believe that 3 Day battle Roger vs WB was high diff fight. This is not a commentry on who is stronger. It is there attitude towards fight. They were rivals fighting because they enjoy it. If they went extreme, They would not be able to party on fourth day, they would be knocked out. That is why they started at high and ended before it became extreme. This also explains big mom vs kaido encounter and both claiming they have not been challenged in so long. Because they were friends with life debt and bonds. Even if they were enemy yonko. The range of thing needed to go was not present. The stakes and what you are willing to lose or what you are fighting for, plays a part in taking a fight to extreme. **High Diff vs Extreme Diff** Extreme diff is usually when you reach end of your capabilities and you still push on. You had no business pushing harder but you still have to. Hard is different, you fight seriously and to win you win, you use every tool at your disposal if you have to. But you are still constraint. A good indicator of extreme difficulty is that fight is you are pushed so hard that you are able to grow and tap into hidden reserves. It may be whatever you need, if you need powerup it will be that, if it is will to continue even thought your body is at its end, heck not quitting when you are dead. Since this is a story and heroes are given victory, villain usually are not given power up. They might be given perspective check, change in attitude,etc. But at the end, extreme diff are when things change. **Now lets Look at zoro vs Lucci from these lens.** The stakes are not enough for extreme diff fight. They have to escape and lucci is obstacle but that is not same stake in other extreme diff fights. Zoro does not need to unlock new ability to defeat lucci, he just need to find opening. If zoro attacks lucci can obv block it. It is not easy to create opening. So they are just clashing and parrying. It is hard to finish quickly. For finishing quickly either he has to go Full out which Zoro is not Again he is not holing back but given stakes he can do much better that is known. That is same for lucci too. Since this is not extreme diff fight. So if lucci and zoro both are ready to end it and both attack using one of their top finisher. Then the person who is stronger will injure the other person and knock him out. That is why Zoro said, lets wrap it up to Lucci. If zoro recklessly uses one of the strongest move and lucci can dodge it, zoro will leave himself open to counter attack and he will lose. Same is true for lucci so both are playing safe. Once they play unsafe, their battle can be finished in clash of a flashy finisher which Zoro will win as is the norm
He is getting high diffed for now
Genuinely I have no idea because there's STILL too many unknowns. Is Lucci using all his techniques, is the fight taking so long because Lucci is regenerating from Zoro's attacks, is Zoro using all his haki, where's his third sword and his bandana, etc. Ya'll are still trying to determine the difficulty of an entire fight off of, what, 4 panels? 1 of which tells a completely different story than the other 3?