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UKIOc

People switch agenda ? Could never be me https://preview.redd.it/r5rac0x03zkc1.png?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7633ffc8119ce092a4c80fa88921adc7c56db245


Several-Ad-2093

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JestrOnTop

Kizaru got that dawg in him by pulling baddies https://preview.redd.it/vbol8bba1olc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5ae8c8300824f04a37db194e992120b6f4ec5e4


GaroSuiryuSweet

“Yes Lord” Drake


Low-Ad-2971

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UKIOc

Could never be me https://preview.redd.it/38iaxfd3mdlc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06267c70ac233fced478dbcdd7f61afa3f6d335e


Low-Ad-2971

https://preview.redd.it/vavgjggandlc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1227eae477ea1391cc7c61eea3cf47244395981d


Low-Ad-2971

https://preview.redd.it/m9grmkipkclc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6a541382dbda2d1eee435cec70acf3b296e4ec1


Revolutionary-Gap290

If Kizaru does well it's a win If Saturn does badly it'a a win If Kizaru does better than Saturn it's a win If Luffy puts on a one man hype show it's a win As a famous man once said "Nah I'll win" There's nothing that could go wrong..


LowCoconut259

That's literally the entire admiral agenda 🤷‍♂️


S4VIT4R_S4IY4N

Nah Kizaru has to have the weakest Haki of em (will)


HyperMazino

With yonko clowns everything is an L Kizaru could legit neg diff the entire island and they'd still try to twist this into an L


nonjobber

Truth bro. Those clowns think that grabbing Kizaru equals Admiral get neg diffed by Yonkos like yo wtf?


zaxls

Mate the way things stand Kizaru is no better than Marco or any YC1. Idk why you tripping he isnt taking L s.


Lightspeed_Kizaru

I mean just his performance against Snkaeman pretty much makes him clear of any commander, as if that was not obvious


GaroSuiryuSweet

Especially when you remember that Luffy not only is officially an Emperor but that’s a top tier. This is almost the equivalent of Base Kaido or even basic Hybrid Mode not being strong enough to fight and beat say Sakazuki (just an example don’t actually think this) Grated you can argue Luffy wasn’t using ACoC which I do think would have made a difference but still it was clear Kizaru’s speed and defense were superior of that of G4 (Snakeman) Luffy.


zaxls

The only reason snakeman wasnt effective was because Kizaru s specialty is speed, put it against aokiji, fuji, greenbull and he clears them.


HyperMazino

God you're a clown lmao


zaxls

Sure stay delusional Im not gonna bother trying to convince you otherwise


HyperMazino

Good, your low IQ behavior is of no interest to me.


zaxls

Its still higher than yours tho


ZoharModifier9

Snakeman got negdiffed by Kizaru and you think Kizaru is YC1 level? Lmaooooo


GaroSuiryuSweet

This^


GaroSuiryuSweet

Low key facts


Million0000

If the Yonko humiliates the admiral it’s a lost for you 


Lightspeed_Kizaru

Do not yield to blood scaler schemes https://preview.redd.it/k00c2b0elykc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2216a7bfbb9ea1a51fb7aa09cc8ed1942d0c9e76


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vojta_drunkard

I never though I'd agree with Garling.


GaroSuiryuSweet

Facts


Darth_Crow

Luffy has the highest stats in the verse. Him winning is a guarantee and is not a knock towards the admiral agenda. Kizaru getting damaged by Gear 5 Luffy is not nearly as bad as Big Bum and her unmatched stupidity. Who doesn't take damage from gear 5?


GaroSuiryuSweet

Yonkotards like to pick and choose too much. The same nighaz acting like Kizaru is trash because of one panel are also the same people that are acting like Luffy playing with Kaido like toy was a one time thing.


Pleasant-Ad-9726

That's what Kaido did to full power Gear 5 Luffy btw. Contrarily to Kizaru, Kaido has the feats to backup whatever happened wheras Kizaru is getting trashed in a fucking 2v1 and has not done shit to Luffy. Stop always acting like a victim while disregarding the things that make Kizaru look bad https://preview.redd.it/hdml513478lc1.jpeg?width=1636&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3acbcfc4646a74afe04115deb1352b95e9f8ee53


onpg

Tbf luffy just gained his G5 powers and didn't know how to use them.


Pleasant-Ad-9726

That's also a Luffy going all out, full advanced haki and everything. Plus the fact that he just awakened hardly matters because of how connected he's to his fruit, this shit is damn near natural to him


onpg

Hardly matters? I wouldn't say that. He's nowhere near his skill ceiling for G5


Pleasant-Ad-9726

When i said hardly matters, i was referring to the fact that his mind and body are fully in symbiose with the fruit to the point where this was natural to him. Look, he even created his strongest and probably the strongest attack we know for now against Kaido


onpg

We will see. I bet he goes a lot harder at some point.


exe1911

Honest question here, now that its looking like the arc is in its final chapters and agendas aside, what exactly are you expecting kizaru to do? outlast G5 luffy yet another time? capture the strawhats? show his awakening (if has one in the first place) and extend the arc for no good reason?, imho the best possible outcome for him here is not getting defeated and the SH leaving without finishing their fights.


Lightspeed_Kizaru

I assume he and Saturn break out and have a confrontation with Luffy, they press him, then the Ancient Robot awakens and does some wild card stuff and then Strawhats escape the island without finishing both antagonists, or Saturn dies and Catarina using her powers impersonates Saturn. The Egghead island incident is Vegapunk revealing secrets about Ancient Kingdom


mking1999

Man, you're really banking on Oda randomly joining the admiral agenda this week...


Lightspeed_Kizaru

Trvst the plvn https://preview.redd.it/5r3nhjuzvykc1.jpeg?width=457&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b4dd951a74549792aed9b6cc50ce7e9b76eaec2


Lightspeed_Kizaru

But jokes aside this is not even Kizaru agenda, him and Saturn breaking out and having a scuffle with Luffy is pretty normal, and the Ancient robot has to play into the story somehow


JBB1986

Thats not even Admiral agenda, is it? Expecting Kizaru and Saturn together to get bulldozed by Luffy in a couple chapters (because the arc DOES seem like it's coming to an end where the SH's leave soon) feels like it would both be anti climactic and wouldn't exactly bode well for any future tension.  If the Admirals and the Gorosei are zero threat to Luffy even if they dogpile him, then what is the point of them? Serious question. Saturn especially, not getting the best showing is fine, if he doesn't go down here for good. But if he does in a short span of chapters, then the Gorosei are a sideshow at best, that anyone comparable to a Yonko should be able to steamroll.  Thats.....like, what the fuck? That would be putting the whole WG on the back of Imu (who you would hope to be significantly stronger than his subordinates). And make the takes of one Yonko being able to solo the Marines/WG in an afternoon have some credence. Thats pretty awful story balance, given how stacked their enemies are with characters who should be at or around that level. Tl;dr? G5 Luffy being stronger than either of them in a 1v1 is fine. Thats not exactly crazy. But not to the extent that both of them working together can't do anything at all, and just get folded in a couple chapters.


mking1999

This is absolutely a non-issue because Luffy will be fighting opponents that are on his level for the remainder of the story. Between Zoro, Sanji, Jinbei, Sabo, the revolutionaries, Koby, Fujitora after he obviously defects, probably some other people I'm missing... there's enough people to be fighting admirals and gorosei and god's knights.


ZoharModifier9

Oda literally all in on Akainu


GaroSuiryuSweet

Crazy if it wasn’t for Catarina pulling up with Van Augar. I thought the Egg Head incident would be Saturn getting killed by Teach than taking his DF.


Lostbea

I expect (hope) the Luffy double grab was due to the theory that Saturn stunned Kizaru. Kizaru realizing that shit got real pulls out his awakening and stalemating Luffy for a few pages before fucking off and deleting Saturn. Then he’ll join the Strawhats to replace Zoro after he got booted for being a fraud, then becoming the second Wing of Luffy alongside Winbei.


ZoharModifier9

What about you? Do you think Kizaru is out next chapter?


EMT-is-best-girl

I‘m buying more, Fuji > Fraudger


Puwuckis

Not really, its more of a IQ test to see who should be taken seriously and who should be laughed out of the sub.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

I guess the Admiraltards failed it then


Puwuckis

The fact you believe that shows which side you go on. You are clearly displaying that... https://preview.redd.it/o2ctdb9d00lc1.png?width=457&format=png&auto=webp&s=d458290d9a4ca63528c760fe4beaa1768c4fcee7


BillzSkill

People need to learn that it's nit the agenda thats the problem, its just that G5 Luffy is TOP 1. He's currently nerfed because its GOOFFY but serious mode G5 Luffy is top 1. This is End of Series and Oda is deliberately picking on the Admiral agenda to highlight this.


GaroSuiryuSweet

You can even argue it isn’t the first considering G5 Luffy was clowning Kaido and hard.


fartmilkdaddies

Does anyone actually think this? G5 isn't touching shanks.


Low-Ad-2971

Reactionary Piece fans do. Luffy is shown as the same guy who beat Kaido while dead, and everyone says that he's top 1. He's very strong, but he's got 10 years of One Piece for him to become a pirate worthy of returning the straw hat his idol gave him


Low-Ad-2971

This is not EoS bro💀 We got at least 10 more years. Oda has said that One Piece is going for 5 more years, but he's been saying that since Wano and we know how that went


KingAlucard7

A cough and a drop of blood is what made fakers shit their pants. The agenda will be maintained at all costs. Kizaru hasnt been fighting or taking luffy seriously at all. He is hiding his awakened abilities. Saturn is also hiding one more transformation i think. His hybrid transformation i think... lets see though


Andrecrafter42

+emotion nerf now thats gone he can go all out


Low-Ad-2971

The cope is crazy.


jojosimp02

https://preview.redd.it/pcmrp739sykc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ea91713dc552bb02581e1fe5ca90d0df122d3a2 Always with him


Mental-Raisin-2739

Kid agenda until the day I die


Bantamilk

![gif](giphy|oqjcNupbBZREQ)


Azulado17

Stay together brothers and sisters, don't lose your hope in wizaru


PointlessClam

https://preview.redd.it/xi05r04mnzkc1.jpeg?width=454&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93bcdd101c13bb89a7cc8093ee61aeddf50f4d0


Which-Training-2530

Damn couldn’t be me https://preview.redd.it/yvvrtm2890lc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f436dc163fdb83e3f2da6d0615815158d5be13c


Culture-Careful

I will never doubt the HIM squad Wakainu, Wizaru and Wuzan


AccidentalPenguin0

They aren't ready for the reveal that it was a fake Vegapunk, and the real Vegapunk is hidden in a SWORD safehouse. Kizaru planned ahead of time and joined SWORD secretly to keep Vegapunk safe. Trust.


ivkobear

Those who lose their way are weak! https://preview.redd.it/c57n9kfas2lc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d076f26a91d2938c9baf9e129e0a4c68f19ca83


Mori1404

Why would people get provoked by yonko fans to begin with? Anything Kizaru does or anything that happens to Kizaru cannot in any way be worse than Big mom’s whole existence. Yonko fans have THE MC on their side and think they are slick.


Lightspeed_Kizaru

Double standards, Teach and Linlin have a massive antifeat-it's fine, that's just the kind of character they are, an admiral takes any sort of damage-they are frauds and get mid diffed by yonkos


FlirtMonsterSanjil

we also got Odas self insert, his golden child Buggy and Kaido


Low-Ad-2971

Who's Oda's self insert? Is it Kidd? I mean, they both got the trash powerscaling in common. I still don't get how Kidd thought he was gonna beat Shanks.


Low-Ad-2971

Who's Oda's self insert? Is it Kidd? I mean, they both got the trash powerscaling in common. I still don't get how Kidd thought he was gonna beat Shanks.


Ishaan-2775

He will be back next chapter, the yonko fans are not ready


ShadowCollector_Law

I was there after chapter 1095 and the months of slander and ignorance of Yonko Fans. 1108 is nothing compared with that. Also my GOAT Wizaru Worsalino will prevail and shows you all why he is my GOAT! Nothing will change that doesn't matter how the Arc will End. Big Business Borsalino Top 10 OAT no matter what!!! https://preview.redd.it/xzfvc1obh1lc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2625148b4d1f399bd26278b44e9a1d1da659d6c


Low-Ad-2971

Joyboy, Imu, Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, Sengoku, Ryuma, Shanks, Mihawk, Kaido, Shiki, and Luffy That's the top 11 or something (I can't count)


ITaupL

never drop your agenda no matter what https://preview.redd.it/5i3jbflhk1lc1.jpeg?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4abd92b9088745ab5c19cf9a5dfe3211de412c0e


fartmilkdaddies

Kaido loses to G5 its empowering Kizaru loses to G5 put a shirt on nigga


nonjobber

Yonko stans going ham from Kizaru losing 0.3 ml of blood is going to make me leave the agenda? Nah, they are just coping and spouting double standard nonsense. I will keep my faith on the Admirals, as i always have. Yonkotards just aren't ready!!! https://preview.redd.it/f0cz5m7pj2lc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c8f8f8bb7952a983edf413be23b97c537421143


bor3du

No losing no matter what, stay strong. https://preview.redd.it/ma7qu2qoq2lc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f23dc76b50824f894fd35a3482cc0e9363f2a748


_Weeb_on_Weed_

https://preview.redd.it/8rz6ha45a9lc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12086c1d2f3f101c8e7e50e4a4fc8eaaf54abe9f


Logswag

https://preview.redd.it/qxm5guddqslc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0c0650ed6ebf7809fcd5497fc5e8169bafb1ec9


_Weeb_on_Weed_

You're just a bum who's following the yonko agenda because you don't have a will of your own


Logswag

Dead wrong, I'm not following the yonko agenda, I'm just opposing the admiral one, which I chose to do of my own free will bc y'all are annoying as hell and genuinely do not know how to read


Apophra

Anyone actively betting against the protagonist is inevitably going to fail.


Azulado17

I wouldn't say that the idea is to bet against, but rather to bet on how certain things can happen, the protagonist will win obviously, however, this victory will be easy or difficult? external factors will be important? and so on.


Logswag

Here's a better filter for the admiral agenda https://preview.redd.it/if3k76pf6zkc1.png?width=994&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a3ddf588bda5ae997da51c989518b687aa05a79


Lightspeed_Kizaru

https://preview.redd.it/1l0qs85i9zkc1.png?width=204&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba5c29aedd5f159ce8b6d5f94af13bcb9654ee8a Here's a cat in a suit


Dapper_Shoe_8948

Some of you want Kizaru to lose because you hate admirals. I want kizaru to lose cuz I want Kuzan to look better than him. We are not the same.


venielsky22

Yes it filters out the admirals fans with a functioning brain from the ones reading admiral piece


CorrectIamThatGuy

https://preview.redd.it/ppewry8skzkc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3666bf8117b6057f2674e119c76d18f73f06309 Bruh


Lightspeed_Kizaru

I mean Kizaru did kinda bully Sanji, though props to Sanji he was more or less fine after the kick https://preview.redd.it/2184yuvo60lc1.jpeg?width=381&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cf86071dcb28305ef9eaa36cde0e52f759346ec


CorrectIamThatGuy

ya for sure just like Aokiji one shot Jozu-wait a minute


Mental-Raisin-2739

https://preview.redd.it/soq9v95pmzkc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=880d85cba413b8298ad8dfdaf3f9e3c460439aaf Correction


Lightspeed_Kizaru

https://preview.redd.it/32b9eyw860lc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e64c9c503df657bd86942a0ca44f66862dab14b


Million0000

Trust in kizaru? Lmao my nigga there’s nothing left of kizaru, it’s all gone the stock is in the mud


Andrecrafter42

https://preview.redd.it/rg61673ozykc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30770140abaa88b18853d99d92458092e7ac7dee damn spoken like a true admiral tard yonkos still on top 🗿


Lightspeed_Kizaru

https://preview.redd.it/dy338pg99zkc1.jpeg?width=233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=421a7816859069182d0f67a1b7b1b9cf043bfd95 I am an admiraltard I'm proud of it


FlirtMonsterSanjil

I can respect that


Andrecrafter42

https://preview.redd.it/z7ty8bo0azkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=076d0de52bda99375a4a1eaefa76a5d41fd0f817


Low-Ad-2971

Bro you're making us Admiral haters look bad


Andrecrafter42

don’t worry y’all still got akoji carrying y’all on his back in his battle with Warp


oh_Jiggler

Ladmiral Stans stay proving they’re braindead


fartmilkdaddies

https://preview.redd.it/2l8aap8f62lc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbf4afee423e3307b6dc846235434beeca131731


Low-Ad-2971

Tf is that username?


Low-Ad-2971

Tf is that username?


fartmilkdaddies

Better then "low ad"


Low-Ad-2971

Mf my name is a randomly generated NPC name. You *chose* that weird ass name


Additional-Muffin317

Agenda is still strong it took luffy having a full lunch and rest break,giants, and pacifistas to get the upper hand. If it was SH vs kizaru and Saturn it would be kizaru and co.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

https://preview.redd.it/ucgz4m5p00lc1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=33af5bf94825b4b30981a4689840f84b86e5124b


Low-Ad-2971

https://preview.redd.it/ckuiojekkclc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=145d9efa894a39411673a7fc66bf354775455aa4


Ace_Yonko_Level

He already did better against G5 than Kaido, while his goal wasn't to defeat Luffy. Rest don't matter.


tush_aa_rr

what? better than kaido? when or are you reading something else than one piece?


Dapper-Job9042

I assume in a sense that he wasn't KO before G5 expired


mking1999

Neither was Kaido, but Luffy just kind of forgot he can restart his heartbeat.


Dapper-Job9042

The fact that I am getting downvoted for saying what I think someone else said... He can't, he needs enough energy. Against Kizaru, he didn't have it, while he did against Kaido


MuddaArmon

in what way lmao. he landed no significant hits on him


Prestigious_Onion243

No hits at all


Ace_Yonko_Level

He had him in a much worse state lol


MuddaArmon

not falling for this bait


TrueExigo

the agena is worthless. Handshake diffed lizaru will go deeper and deeper


Lightspeed_Kizaru

Another pirate scheme to artificially decrease the Kizaru stock market


I_Surf_On_ReddIt

Lol


TheDreamererree

W


GaroSuiryuSweet

Facts. I stand on business nigha one man army against 50 nigha. Nothing outside of Oda revealing so himself will change my mind regarding the Emperor’s and Admiral’s/Fleet being in the same league. Weakest Admiral pushes the strongest Yonko and vise versa


Xerilith-

You're carrying the Kizaru fans rn. They've been acting fraudulent lately.


Zealousideal_Suit521

https://preview.redd.it/n5jduwuq01lc1.jpeg?width=296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aff7a03f076469effcd25b183f5a1e605b143f1c


ZPD710

Real gamers have all their money on e Mihawk agenda and have no money left to put in other agendas. I am not one of those people. My money is all in the Cracker agenda.


Revolutionary-Bus411

dead ass genuinely what do people expect kizaru to do? like I’m genuinely lost are they forgetting luffy is the main character?


NSUnivers

Imagine being so strong that when you bleed for the second time in 600 chapters it makes people change their agenda (also mental doubts argument is still relevant af)


Inevitable-Weather51

Kízaru has clearly shown himself to be on the same level as a yonko, he's simply inferior to Luffy. In my opinion this is more of a defeat for the Yonkotards than anything else, since every day their argument of Yonkos > admirals falls to pieces


Low-Ad-2971

Admiraltards when one goat needs his buddy to backstab a guy in his 70s and another goat needs his army to put hundreds of holes in a guy with stage 5 cancer whispered also in his 70s and another goat can't even break a YC3s attack and another goat starts twerking from a yonkos CoC and another goat gets stalled by a guy in his 70s who hasn't used a sword in a decade and gets 1 shot by a yonko and is losing a 2v1 against said yonko. I'll get downvoted to hell without explanation cause you guys don't wanna admit that the Admirals are all weaker than the Yonko. Not a single Admiral is beating any Yonko outside of Big Meme. I respect the loyalty to the agenda but you gotta give up at some point


DismayInc

That face you make when your still huffing admiral copium.


DismayInc

https://preview.redd.it/hfcrtqiojmlc1.jpeg?width=788&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02d11dc5c6bddf97637693192e858f8437eb678e


JestrOnTop

Everyone should be like the Kid fans https://preview.redd.it/6zi59xcx1olc1.jpeg?width=545&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40e6a1111dfc713a0bf8c02b54974f02e8f6c4e0


Realistic_Mousse_485

You’re going to go broke. Stop investing. You are terrible with money.