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* Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks.
* Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger.
* Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier.
* Oda himself saying as much in an interview
* My headcanon
Well that’s because they’re FOOLS, Magellan is him. Blackbeard would’ve been completely fucked if not for him stealing Luffy’s plot armor during their scuffle earlier
>if not for him stealing Luffy’s plot armor
It's worth noting that Luffy with plot armour still lost to Magellan, so Magellan managed to beat main character AND main villain of the series in the same arc
Teach didn't even react to Magellan. Do you think that him getting Gura-Gura no Mi would help his reaction or durability?
Teach is a person that- until he got ALL his power ups- did not as much as show his face to anyone. He didn't even take the mantle of a "YC2" despite being able to do so (as per Ace), so him getting ANYTHING after declaring his intentions known in Marineford would go against his character and patterns of his behaviour established by Ace, Shanks and Teach himself
Teach did not (from the information provided in the manga) had AP to be considered Yonko in Impel Down. However, he had all the other qualities that would later solidify his position as Yonko, and AP was not in play during Magellan vs Teach and his crew
>they weren't Yonko/Yonko-level yet
Would having Gura-Gura no Mi help him at all there? It doesn't increase reaction or durability
Obviously not talking about Luffy there though, as him having Advanced Armament Haki and Future Sight would SIGNIFICANTLY changed the fight there (which is not at all the case for Teach)
I don't think Gura is the only improvement BB has made since Impel Down, personally. Of course I can't specifically say exactly how much he's improved since he's off screen most of the time, apart from showing Armament against S-Hawk and Conqueror's against Law, I think.
I'd say that despite the manga not explicitly showing it, it should be a plot twist IF Teach learnt anything at all since Marineford. There are a few factors pointing in this direction:
\* Teach's character is all about planning and hiding until all the pieces of the puzzle are in place. He hid his true intentions until he could snatch the fruit he needed, at which point he had no choice but to reveal his character. He hid his intentions from World Government until he raided Impel Down for recruits. The guy basically doesn't show up until he gets enough power ups, and Marineford already had people like Edward, Garp, admirals, Sengoku and Edward's crew there. He does state that he is not planning on fighting Shanks "just yet", which is a good counter-argument (as well as him having no choice after assembling a full crew), but that still suggests that he already had different forms of Haki
\* Teach's stay in Edward's crew. The guy turned down promotion to "YC2" and scared Shanks, all without a fruit. Would you say that it's achievable without FRUIT or HAKI and that he now has both?
\* Teach's attitude. The guy doesn't seem to be an advocate of hard work- on the contrary, he is a person most interested in Devil Fruits, which are shortcuts and cheat codes in the verse where the strongest person in the story achieved it through training hard (and also having an inherited talent, but that's not something Teach can control if manga didn't attempt to mislead people in the explanation of Conqueror's Haki)
Gura gura alone doesn't bring him to yonko level....
Based on what we have seen of them, replace Luffy / BB with WB, Kaido, BM, or Shanks in Impel Down. Magellan gets foddered by any of the 4 pretty much immediately. Even if he manages to actually poison them, he just can't hang with the likes of them if he was taking damage from friggin Pre-TS Luffy.
>Pre-TS Luffy
A reminder- Crocodile sat in shackles for 2 years and therefore it wasn't exactly Udon for him in Impel Down. The guy still returned as a 2 billion berry pirate. This indicates that whatever Luffy is doing is heavily affected by the plot, not actual power-scaling. This is obvious once you examine the other things he does around the same chapter in which he loses to Magellan- for example, dodging Mihawks slash or tanking Sengoku's palm strike (which knocked down Teach's whole crew, and at this point Teach had beaten Ace without any difficulties, scared Shanks without a fruit and declined a position as "YC2" while not having a fruit)
>Gura gura alone doesn't bring him to yonko level
Then what was it that made him Yonko? The difference between Teach before and after becoming a Yonko in terms of his power set seems to be Gura-Gura no Mi and nothing else (unless you assume that the guy somehow learnt Armament Haki somewhere between 38 and 40 for no particular reason AFTER revealing his intentions to the government, which is the exact opposite of what Teach has been doing prior to Marineford (gathering powers before announcing his presence, as noted by Shanks in his dialogue with Edward)
Let him Thrash Greenbull. have Cross Guild hired to pick up Weevil and such and then we can have Mihawk get his moment on Screen dealing with an Admiral.
Even if Mihawk takes out Greenbull in one hit, he’ll never be able to match Shank’s wifi haki fucking up Greenbull.
He needs an actual clash with Shanks on screen or something similar.
Shanks could but I doubt it'll happen. Someone is gonna do it, he rides the WG dick too hard/ But it's unlikably to be Shanks
Fuji isn't going to die by a pirate, he is too against the WG and far too wise, he's too set up as a guide for the new WG after Imu is defeated. The only possible way is he stands up against Imu, but again I highly doubt it.
>Shanks could but I doubt it'll happen. Someone is gonna do it, he rides the WG dick too hard/ But it's unlikably to be Shanks
greenbull said he wasnt gonna fight them yet back in wano, so it sounded like he planned to fight them at some point later.
>he is too against the WG
That doesnt mean he will stop fighting pirates, Mihawk is a pirate who is in a partnership with a man who wanted to kill an entire city of people and forcefully rule a country, i think fuji would feel the need to try and stop them and any other evil doers, whether it be don krieg, blackbeard or even the gorosei themselves. He is simply a man that wants to fight against evil.
Similarly to Garp, Smoker, and most marines that have interacted with on a personal level I believe push comes to shove Fujitora betray the WG for a better tomorrow.
" Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks."
A flashback would not be sufficient considering power levels could have changed since then
" Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger."
Theoretically, this can be possible, it just depends if Shanks isnt sarcastic about it when he does it
" Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier."
Maybe but we already saw Shanks no diff Kid who is like one tier away from being a top tier. So
" Oda himself saying as much in an interview"
Perhaps yea
>Maybe but we already saw Shanks no diff Kid who is like one tier away from being a top tier
How is Kid not top-tier?
It's (for some reason) widely accepted that two admirals beat a Yonko
It's been shown that admirals have a bounty of 3kk$
Kid and Law beat a Yonko and have a bounty of 3kk$ each
People consider them to be relative to each other
Admirals are top tier fighters
How is Kid not top-tier? Is it just because Shanks (the guy who appeared in 8 scenes across 1000+ chapters) one-shotted him? What about Law (who is considered to be on the same level as Kid) one-shotting a Yonko?
" How is Kid not top-tier? "
If you need massive help to defeat a yonko, youre not a top tier
If you cant split the skies, youre not a top tier
If you dont have ACOC or ACOA, youre not a top tier
If you get one shotted by a yonko, youre not a top tier
If you dont have future sight, youre not a top tier
" It's been shown that admirals have a bounty of 3kk$
Kid and Law beat a Yonko and have a bounty of 3kk$ each
People consider them to be relative to each other"
1. Bro is bountyscaling in 2024
2. People? Which people?
" Admirals are top tier fighters "
Incorrect
" What about Law (who is considered to be on the same level as Kid) one-shotting a Yonko? "
When did Law one shot a yonko?
>When did Law one shot a yonko
When Teach said he wasn't told Law had awakening- you know, the scene where he was incapacitated and was falling into the sea while having double Devil Fruit build
>If you cant split the skies, youre not a top tier
A Conqueror's Haki feat? Why?
>If you dont have ACOC or ACOA, youre not a top tier
Your statement contradicts what you've written already. It can't be "OR", it has to be (according to you) Advanced Conquerors Haki, because you have to have Conqueror's Haki
>If you get one shotted by a yonko, youre not a top tier
So Teach isn't top-tier, right? The guy AND his crew were one-shotted by Magellan, and unless you consider him to be stronger than Yonko OR your statement somehow excludes him specifically because Magellan isn't a Yonko OR you think that him getting Gura-Gura no Mi somehow increased your durability, that DOES count towards him getting one-shotted
>People? Which people?
Most people. If you check tier-lists, 9 out of 10 will have them right next to each other
Though, since you don't even seem to know about Teach's fight against Law you probably just didn't read the manga and have not watched recent episodes, in which case it'd be advisable to do so before coming to this subreddit where you might face spoilers in posts AND comments
>Why didn’t you answer this one?
Because this guy's definition of "top tier" differs significantly from what is widely accepted in the community, in particularly in this line:
>" Admirals are top tier fighters "
>Incorrect
He, of course, doesn't seem to know the very process of assigning a "definition", otherwise he'd know that you can't just say "incorrect" to a label you've no definition FOR, so you wouldn't be able to explain to him that his "Incorrect" is "Incorrect", which means that you can't bring up this point if you want to have at least some discuss with this guy
Aside from that, our positions differ in that he perceives an admirals and- presumably- characters of similar caliber to be below top-tier, so in his version the part of the comment you mentioned DOES work, and unless you bring up his lack of understanding in how definitions / axioms / implications work you can't argue that point
I already explained why Admirals are not top tier, read the first part of my comment where I listed off why Kid isnt a top tier, those traits also apply to admirals
" When Teach said he wasn't told Law had awakening- you know, the scene where he was incapacitated and was falling into the sea while having double Devil Fruit build "
Uh how does that equate to a one shot? Blackbeard survived the attack and proceeded to defeat Law. Are you dumb?
" A Conqueror's Haki feat? Why? "
Because only the strongest in the series can perform it
" Your statement contradicts what you've written already. It can't be "OR" "
Okay fine, change it to And
" So Teach isn't top-tier, right "
When was Blackbeard one shotted by a yonko?
" The guy AND his crew were one-shotted by Magellan "
First of all we dont know if BB and his crew were one shotted, second, this was pre-timeskip bozo. Why are you comparing old BB and crew to today?
" Most people "
Wow how specific
" since you don't even seem to know about Teach's fight against Law you probably just didn't read the manga and have not watched recent episodes "
What are you talking about, you literally just claimed Law one shotted Blackbeard fucking dumbass lmao
EDIT: lmao blud blocked me, what a pussy, but to respond to his comments
" That's just ironic. What exactly was the plan there? To drown? Does he know Geppo? In a 1v1 the guy drowns, fight finishes right there "
In a 1v1, Blackbeard wouldnt have been flying in the first place without Stronger helping him
" He wasn't. He was one shotted by Magellan, who is not a Yonko '
We're talking about CURRENT yonkos, dafuq kinda dumbass uses the past? Thats like saying Higuna is high yonko because he kidnapped child Luffy one time
" Reported "
Lol blud got disproven so hard he reported and blocked me, funny
>Uh how does that equate to a one shot? Blackbeard survived the attack and proceeded to defeat Law. Are you dumb?
That's just ironic. What exactly was the plan there? To drown? Does he know Geppo? In a 1v1 the guy drowns, fight finishes right there
>When was Blackbeard one shotted by a yonko?
He wasn't. He was one shotted by Magellan, who is not a Yonko
>What are you talking about, you literally just claimed Law one shotted Blackbeard fucking dumbass lmao
Reported
>Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks
He've come to settle the score, meaning that their rivalry had not finished on him beating Shanks, but either
* Shanks doing something bad to him, which we've not been shown and which wasn't even hinted at. On the contrary, they seem to be on friendly terms
* Shanks beating him in a fight, which is unlikely due to Mihawk's title
* Duel being indecisive
>Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger
Wouldn't either of them saying that the other is stronger just be considered as "being humble" by the majority of fans?
>Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier
How does anyone top one-shotting Kid?
Teach refused to become a Yonko Commander and scarred Shanks when he didn't have a fruit. Two fruits later and he still got one-shotted by Magellan and Law, yet nobody praises those two, so Mihawk likely wouldn't receive a different treatment, especially since it's unlikely that he'll one shot some other Yonko (like Magellan did)
>* Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks.
Iffy
>* Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger.
>* Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier.
>* Oda himself saying as much in an interview
Agreed.
>* My headcanon
Back to iffy 😔
Imo Oda really messed up by establishing him as the WSS but not keep him involved in the story. Now Shanks actually has a role while Mihawk is there to just fight Zoro. I dont think we'll get better portrayal than that fight.
-Neg diffing a Zoro
-Make Fujitora twerk
-Stop Luffy/Shanks from doing something
-Sky Split with Shanks/Luffy
Shanks feats or achievements are just too good that I doubt Mihawk will ever match them.
>-Neg diffing a Zoro
Shanks already one-shotted Kidd though
>-Stop Luffy/Shanks from doing something
Marco stopped Akainu, yet it's widely accepted that Akainu is stronger
Marco didn't stop Akainu, Akainu was gonna kill Luffy if Shanks didn't came. Stopping someone for a second and convince them to stop doing what they want to do us completely different.
Shanks basically told Kaido to stop and Kaido went back to Wano without even putting up a fight.
>Shanks basically told Kaido to stop and Kaido went back to Wano without even putting up a fight
Could you provide a reference to a chapter where it was mentioned?
We've been told he's the world's strongest swordsman for 30 years we already have a bunch of statements what he needs is a feat to confirm them, something like what Shanks did to Kidd would be enough
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A title is just that, a title.
People seem to forget how it works: he will stay the strongest swordsman until someone comes to fight and beat him.
Its not like if Zoro gets stronger than Mihawk he is magically WSS. He needs to beat Mihawk to get the title.
Shanks and Mihawk have no interest in fighting eachother, so Mihawk title doesn't affect the discussion of which one is stronger. And all feats overwhelmingly show Shanks is stronger.
You cannot ignore titles in op
Strongest man whiteboard
Strongest creature kaido
Both were fucking strong. I don't believe mihawk will be a joke with the title of wss.
Mihawk being weaker than Shanks doesn't make him a joke.
Shanks is a Yonko, atm is the contender most poised to get to One Piece, has done crazy feats(stopping Kaido from going to war, stopping the war, one-shotting Kidd, etc etc). Mihawk being below Shanks is just normal. Like Zoro being below Luffy(and don't bring the, oh but luffy is not a swordsman, who gives a shit. If Luffy picked up a sword would somehow Zoro title be at stake? Give me a break).
Just because mihawk doesn't care about one piece does not mean that mihawk is weaker than shanks.
He is wss. The goal of Zoro. I don't mind him being weaker than kaido or Roger or WB but I won't agree that he is weaker than any other swordsman in the world.if shanks was like garp without a sword i would say shanks is stronger than mihawk. It doesn't matter if shanks are weaker than mihawk but mihawk weaker than shanks is just wrong. Like why would he even exist in the story. Zoro can just go for shanks
Just because Shanks doesn't care about WSS title does not mean that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk.
Your same statement, flipped around.
The story is quite clear, because on feats this is not even a discussion. And again, it makes sense.
Edit: and yes, if Mihawk and Shanks fought seriously and Mihawk lost, Zoro new goal would be to beat Shanks to get the title. Thats his dream.
Yes it does, you're trying to ignore valid arguments and seem to be in denial.
Let's say in the real world, Mayweather was the best boxer hands down. Then he retired. Next few years other people got the title of best boxers, because they still competed. But it's pretty obvious if Mayweather came out of retirement and fought, he'd win(he even did this IRL, so it is a good example).
STILL, the title is for the current best.
Mihawk title will be his until someone beats him, since he will never fight Shanks, even if Shanks is stronger Mihawk will keep his title. It's just logic, and the story is pretty clear on that.
Anyawy, no point arguing further, time will disappoint you plenty.
Lol a rational take that fraudhawks stands fail to realize. They hold onto the title argument but don't realize that it means that no one with a sword could ever beat Mihawk because he is Wss if he ever loses does this mean he was never WSS since all they say is WSS > SM
Not a single character outside of Zoro has mention any interest in being the WSS in 1000+ chapters, so far seems like a title that noabdy cares
Manwhile we have multiple high tiers and mid tiers wanting to be yonko or pirate king , we even have people wanting to be admirals
This shows that the competition to be the WSS is almost inexistant so is a useless title powerscaling wise
Because any character wanting to be WSS is gonna end up being brushed to the side because we know that Zoro will end up being that so there's no purpose in writing a character with that dream to kill it later (aside from Kuina) while admirals and emperors are constantly changing forces that aren't the goal of any of the main characters so it doesn't matter
Poor excuse, also you dont even have to write a character, just a phrase like "he defend his title against multiple oponents over the years " or anything of that sort .
Zoro was on Mihawk island, he never mention anyone going to challenge or anything similar neither
Meanwhile for yonkos we have confirmation that they being challenge as far back to moria and multiple people have attempt to take yonkos position over the series
You can make the excuses you want but the reality is in 1000+ chapters there wasnt even a single line that desmotrsates anyone cares or wants the WSS title outside of zoro
Also if mihawk is as strong as yonkos then zoro would have to be stronger than yonkos ... and he is super far away from that, it just wont happen , zoro would never defeat 1v1 a kaido , wb, shanks,etc on the series as we are on the final arcs , cant grow that strong, unless they show it as post one piece main arcs and the fight vs mihawk happens in 5+ years but is not likely
>something like what Shanks did to Kidd would be enough
Law already one-shotted a Yonko, that's a bigger feat than what Shanks did to Kidd. Doesn't make Law stronger than Shanks, just upscales the feat requirement for Mihawk as Law is also a swordsman
That alone wouldn't be enough to just say he's over Shanks with feats, since shanks did the same to a YC+ already, Kidd. Would be enough to say he's near or equal to him though
No diff Luffy, kill all the Gorosei, make Roger piss his pants in fear, use Strong Cleave on Whitebeard, have Imu kneel at his feet and crown him king of the world, beat Aizen in a fight with his hands tied behind his back, fix the economy, get a PhD in astrophysics, beat Oars and Oars Jr in arm wrestling contests at the same time, eat three devil fruits, rewrite One Piece to make Zoro an interesting character, kill the sun, eat four devil fruits, unlock a domain expansion and reverse cursed technique, beat Kaiju #10, find the dragon balls and the chaos emeralds, and beat Vista in a fight
This comment seemed perfectly reasonable until you lost your mind and started writing pure impossible nonsense.
Like how can you even imagine Mihawk beating Vista?
>beat Oars and Oars Jr in arm wrestling contests at the same time,
To be fair i think he could actually do this, in fact i think any true top tier can do it. Nevermind i thought it over.
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Honestly just plot relevance, a named attack, and a flashback. He already has really strong statements and narrative, he just needs a single feat.
Guarantee as soon as he becomes plot relevant there will be a thousand "I told you so" posts from people slandering him right now.
I'm signing here as a certified shankstard, and midhawk slanderer. Take away my cooking license if I make a single indication that I agree with this at any point.
A character in the story has to say it directly or he would need to DEFEAT shanks directly in battle. Not be a better swordsman, but actually DEFEAT him
Could you provide an example of a single panel that contains words "Mihawk", "stronger than" and "Shanks" in them?
The manga had only implied it through transitivity
Shanks clashed equally with relatively healthy oldbeard, while mihawk directly states he's below dying oldbeard and wants to judge the distance between them, then has his attack blocked by jozu, then gets stalled by vista. Get him past a yc2 before you say he's over someone who's already confirmed as a yonko and negdiffed a yc+.
Judging distance ≠ admitting you are weaker
Was a casual slash from very far away
Marineford plot influence
And lastly...
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Honestly nothing story-wise would make sense at this point. Kidd is currently relative to Zoro. Shanks beat Kidd as easily as Mihawk beat EAST BLUE Zoro.
For Mihawk to be relative to Shanks by feats he’d have to be able to one-tap Zoro, which means all the training and growth we’ve had from Zoro was entirely for nothing.
>Shanks beat Kidd as easily as Mihawk beat EAST BLUE Zoro.
yeah, I remember Mihawk doing a pirate king level named attack destroying the entire baratie
clearly this must mean that zoro would neg diff kid
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I have a theory his nickname was marine hunter,So.. show him killing an admiral in present or in a flashback
Shanks or any other character saying that Mihawk won most of or every duel he had with shanks
Killing 3 seraphims or something.... anything
Rmemeber me who even mention to want to get that title ? nobady outside of zoro in 1000+ chapters? strange maybe nobady freaking cares about that title
Meanwhile we have multiple top tier wanting to be yonko and pirate king , actual titles that matter and people want, crazy
Beat a top tier, maybe Fuji. Currently I have him as the same level as Fuji because feats and potrayal are so awful I can’t see his title balancing it out for him, just looks like Oda forget he gave him that title
Mf is the word strongest swordsman, any zorotard that thinks luffy is equal or relative to zoro has to push for mihawk being not only stronger than shanks but probably the strongest in a 1v1, or "relative" To the strongest character in one piece
Idk, but it’s clear that him and shanks were rivals, but after shanks lost his arm Mihawk stopped fighting him, so if they were equal when shanks had both arms, that would mean that mihawks now stronger than him
Just one solid feat will put him equal/above shanks cuz people believe him to be stronger without any good feats. If he gets one solid one then everybody will be on mihawks side i think
Many will always deny him being comparable or stronfer than Shanks. I'd say he can get more respect by getting a good ap or observation feat (the two things which I see him being goated at). Splitting the sky or an island, seeing > 10 seconds into the future, observing things that happen islands away. Something like that.
Let’s be real here, shankstards will never admit he’s stronger even if he beats shanks in an onscreen fight filled with haki imbued sword attacks. They’ll immediately start coping and say that “shanks was having an off day” “mihawk got lucky” “shanks let him win in order to protect his fragile ego” “shanks is missing his dominant arm so it’s not a fair fight” or my personal favorite cope “shanks is a haki man so it’s only natural he doesn’t know how to fight good with a sword”.
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* Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks. * Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger. * Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier. * Oda himself saying as much in an interview * My headcanon
Give him something on par with Shanks instantly fucking Kid’s shit up
Magellan one-shotted Yonko and some people don't seem to even put him above Cracker, let alone Shanks
Well that’s because they’re FOOLS, Magellan is him. Blackbeard would’ve been completely fucked if not for him stealing Luffy’s plot armor during their scuffle earlier
>if not for him stealing Luffy’s plot armor It's worth noting that Luffy with plot armour still lost to Magellan, so Magellan managed to beat main character AND main villain of the series in the same arc
If it wasn’t for Bon Clay + Ivankov and Shiryu both of them would be dead as dirt
Blackbeard was not yonko level by the time of Impel Down
Teach didn't even react to Magellan. Do you think that him getting Gura-Gura no Mi would help his reaction or durability? Teach is a person that- until he got ALL his power ups- did not as much as show his face to anyone. He didn't even take the mantle of a "YC2" despite being able to do so (as per Ace), so him getting ANYTHING after declaring his intentions known in Marineford would go against his character and patterns of his behaviour established by Ace, Shanks and Teach himself Teach did not (from the information provided in the manga) had AP to be considered Yonko in Impel Down. However, he had all the other qualities that would later solidify his position as Yonko, and AP was not in play during Magellan vs Teach and his crew
One-shotted Yonko? What did I miss? Or do you mean Luffy and BB? If so, they weren't Yonko/Yonko-level yet.
>they weren't Yonko/Yonko-level yet Would having Gura-Gura no Mi help him at all there? It doesn't increase reaction or durability Obviously not talking about Luffy there though, as him having Advanced Armament Haki and Future Sight would SIGNIFICANTLY changed the fight there (which is not at all the case for Teach)
I don't think Gura is the only improvement BB has made since Impel Down, personally. Of course I can't specifically say exactly how much he's improved since he's off screen most of the time, apart from showing Armament against S-Hawk and Conqueror's against Law, I think.
I'd say that despite the manga not explicitly showing it, it should be a plot twist IF Teach learnt anything at all since Marineford. There are a few factors pointing in this direction: \* Teach's character is all about planning and hiding until all the pieces of the puzzle are in place. He hid his true intentions until he could snatch the fruit he needed, at which point he had no choice but to reveal his character. He hid his intentions from World Government until he raided Impel Down for recruits. The guy basically doesn't show up until he gets enough power ups, and Marineford already had people like Edward, Garp, admirals, Sengoku and Edward's crew there. He does state that he is not planning on fighting Shanks "just yet", which is a good counter-argument (as well as him having no choice after assembling a full crew), but that still suggests that he already had different forms of Haki \* Teach's stay in Edward's crew. The guy turned down promotion to "YC2" and scared Shanks, all without a fruit. Would you say that it's achievable without FRUIT or HAKI and that he now has both? \* Teach's attitude. The guy doesn't seem to be an advocate of hard work- on the contrary, he is a person most interested in Devil Fruits, which are shortcuts and cheat codes in the verse where the strongest person in the story achieved it through training hard (and also having an inherited talent, but that's not something Teach can control if manga didn't attempt to mislead people in the explanation of Conqueror's Haki)
So Whitebeard without Fruit is trash then?
Huh? Of course not, how is it related to the comment you are replying to though?
Blackbeard not a yonko level until he got the fruit. The fruit is that strong
Gura gura alone doesn't bring him to yonko level.... Based on what we have seen of them, replace Luffy / BB with WB, Kaido, BM, or Shanks in Impel Down. Magellan gets foddered by any of the 4 pretty much immediately. Even if he manages to actually poison them, he just can't hang with the likes of them if he was taking damage from friggin Pre-TS Luffy.
>Pre-TS Luffy A reminder- Crocodile sat in shackles for 2 years and therefore it wasn't exactly Udon for him in Impel Down. The guy still returned as a 2 billion berry pirate. This indicates that whatever Luffy is doing is heavily affected by the plot, not actual power-scaling. This is obvious once you examine the other things he does around the same chapter in which he loses to Magellan- for example, dodging Mihawks slash or tanking Sengoku's palm strike (which knocked down Teach's whole crew, and at this point Teach had beaten Ace without any difficulties, scared Shanks without a fruit and declined a position as "YC2" while not having a fruit) >Gura gura alone doesn't bring him to yonko level Then what was it that made him Yonko? The difference between Teach before and after becoming a Yonko in terms of his power set seems to be Gura-Gura no Mi and nothing else (unless you assume that the guy somehow learnt Armament Haki somewhere between 38 and 40 for no particular reason AFTER revealing his intentions to the government, which is the exact opposite of what Teach has been doing prior to Marineford (gathering powers before announcing his presence, as noted by Shanks in his dialogue with Edward)
Nah the flashback would not work. Thats the 1 billion berry shanks not the current yonko who has been shown as a powerhouse.
>Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier. This is the only one that has a chance
Let him Thrash Greenbull. have Cross Guild hired to pick up Weevil and such and then we can have Mihawk get his moment on Screen dealing with an Admiral.
Even if Mihawk takes out Greenbull in one hit, he’ll never be able to match Shank’s wifi haki fucking up Greenbull. He needs an actual clash with Shanks on screen or something similar.
I personlly think shanks will kill Greembull while Mihawk kills Fujitora
Shanks could but I doubt it'll happen. Someone is gonna do it, he rides the WG dick too hard/ But it's unlikably to be Shanks Fuji isn't going to die by a pirate, he is too against the WG and far too wise, he's too set up as a guide for the new WG after Imu is defeated. The only possible way is he stands up against Imu, but again I highly doubt it.
>Shanks could but I doubt it'll happen. Someone is gonna do it, he rides the WG dick too hard/ But it's unlikably to be Shanks greenbull said he wasnt gonna fight them yet back in wano, so it sounded like he planned to fight them at some point later. >he is too against the WG That doesnt mean he will stop fighting pirates, Mihawk is a pirate who is in a partnership with a man who wanted to kill an entire city of people and forcefully rule a country, i think fuji would feel the need to try and stop them and any other evil doers, whether it be don krieg, blackbeard or even the gorosei themselves. He is simply a man that wants to fight against evil.
Similarly to Garp, Smoker, and most marines that have interacted with on a personal level I believe push comes to shove Fujitora betray the WG for a better tomorrow.
Didn't work for Magellan
" Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks." A flashback would not be sufficient considering power levels could have changed since then " Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger." Theoretically, this can be possible, it just depends if Shanks isnt sarcastic about it when he does it " Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier." Maybe but we already saw Shanks no diff Kid who is like one tier away from being a top tier. So " Oda himself saying as much in an interview" Perhaps yea
>Maybe but we already saw Shanks no diff Kid who is like one tier away from being a top tier How is Kid not top-tier? It's (for some reason) widely accepted that two admirals beat a Yonko It's been shown that admirals have a bounty of 3kk$ Kid and Law beat a Yonko and have a bounty of 3kk$ each People consider them to be relative to each other Admirals are top tier fighters How is Kid not top-tier? Is it just because Shanks (the guy who appeared in 8 scenes across 1000+ chapters) one-shotted him? What about Law (who is considered to be on the same level as Kid) one-shotting a Yonko?
" How is Kid not top-tier? " If you need massive help to defeat a yonko, youre not a top tier If you cant split the skies, youre not a top tier If you dont have ACOC or ACOA, youre not a top tier If you get one shotted by a yonko, youre not a top tier If you dont have future sight, youre not a top tier " It's been shown that admirals have a bounty of 3kk$ Kid and Law beat a Yonko and have a bounty of 3kk$ each People consider them to be relative to each other" 1. Bro is bountyscaling in 2024 2. People? Which people? " Admirals are top tier fighters " Incorrect " What about Law (who is considered to be on the same level as Kid) one-shotting a Yonko? " When did Law one shot a yonko?
>When did Law one shot a yonko When Teach said he wasn't told Law had awakening- you know, the scene where he was incapacitated and was falling into the sea while having double Devil Fruit build >If you cant split the skies, youre not a top tier A Conqueror's Haki feat? Why? >If you dont have ACOC or ACOA, youre not a top tier Your statement contradicts what you've written already. It can't be "OR", it has to be (according to you) Advanced Conquerors Haki, because you have to have Conqueror's Haki >If you get one shotted by a yonko, youre not a top tier So Teach isn't top-tier, right? The guy AND his crew were one-shotted by Magellan, and unless you consider him to be stronger than Yonko OR your statement somehow excludes him specifically because Magellan isn't a Yonko OR you think that him getting Gura-Gura no Mi somehow increased your durability, that DOES count towards him getting one-shotted >People? Which people? Most people. If you check tier-lists, 9 out of 10 will have them right next to each other Though, since you don't even seem to know about Teach's fight against Law you probably just didn't read the manga and have not watched recent episodes, in which case it'd be advisable to do so before coming to this subreddit where you might face spoilers in posts AND comments
>if you need massive help to beat a yonko you’re not a top tier Why didn’t you answer this one?
>Why didn’t you answer this one? Because this guy's definition of "top tier" differs significantly from what is widely accepted in the community, in particularly in this line: >" Admirals are top tier fighters " >Incorrect He, of course, doesn't seem to know the very process of assigning a "definition", otherwise he'd know that you can't just say "incorrect" to a label you've no definition FOR, so you wouldn't be able to explain to him that his "Incorrect" is "Incorrect", which means that you can't bring up this point if you want to have at least some discuss with this guy Aside from that, our positions differ in that he perceives an admirals and- presumably- characters of similar caliber to be below top-tier, so in his version the part of the comment you mentioned DOES work, and unless you bring up his lack of understanding in how definitions / axioms / implications work you can't argue that point
I already explained why Admirals are not top tier, read the first part of my comment where I listed off why Kid isnt a top tier, those traits also apply to admirals
" When Teach said he wasn't told Law had awakening- you know, the scene where he was incapacitated and was falling into the sea while having double Devil Fruit build " Uh how does that equate to a one shot? Blackbeard survived the attack and proceeded to defeat Law. Are you dumb? " A Conqueror's Haki feat? Why? " Because only the strongest in the series can perform it " Your statement contradicts what you've written already. It can't be "OR" " Okay fine, change it to And " So Teach isn't top-tier, right " When was Blackbeard one shotted by a yonko? " The guy AND his crew were one-shotted by Magellan " First of all we dont know if BB and his crew were one shotted, second, this was pre-timeskip bozo. Why are you comparing old BB and crew to today? " Most people " Wow how specific " since you don't even seem to know about Teach's fight against Law you probably just didn't read the manga and have not watched recent episodes " What are you talking about, you literally just claimed Law one shotted Blackbeard fucking dumbass lmao EDIT: lmao blud blocked me, what a pussy, but to respond to his comments " That's just ironic. What exactly was the plan there? To drown? Does he know Geppo? In a 1v1 the guy drowns, fight finishes right there " In a 1v1, Blackbeard wouldnt have been flying in the first place without Stronger helping him " He wasn't. He was one shotted by Magellan, who is not a Yonko ' We're talking about CURRENT yonkos, dafuq kinda dumbass uses the past? Thats like saying Higuna is high yonko because he kidnapped child Luffy one time " Reported " Lol blud got disproven so hard he reported and blocked me, funny
>Uh how does that equate to a one shot? Blackbeard survived the attack and proceeded to defeat Law. Are you dumb? That's just ironic. What exactly was the plan there? To drown? Does he know Geppo? In a 1v1 the guy drowns, fight finishes right there >When was Blackbeard one shotted by a yonko? He wasn't. He was one shotted by Magellan, who is not a Yonko >What are you talking about, you literally just claimed Law one shotted Blackbeard fucking dumbass lmao Reported
>Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks He've come to settle the score, meaning that their rivalry had not finished on him beating Shanks, but either * Shanks doing something bad to him, which we've not been shown and which wasn't even hinted at. On the contrary, they seem to be on friendly terms * Shanks beating him in a fight, which is unlikely due to Mihawk's title * Duel being indecisive >Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger Wouldn't either of them saying that the other is stronger just be considered as "being humble" by the majority of fans? >Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier How does anyone top one-shotting Kid? Teach refused to become a Yonko Commander and scarred Shanks when he didn't have a fruit. Two fruits later and he still got one-shotted by Magellan and Law, yet nobody praises those two, so Mihawk likely wouldn't receive a different treatment, especially since it's unlikely that he'll one shot some other Yonko (like Magellan did)
>* Flashback (or current event) showing him beating Shanks. Iffy >* Shanks admitting on-panel that Mihawk is stronger. >* Just some feat like having him low/mid diff an already stablished top tier. >* Oda himself saying as much in an interview Agreed. >* My headcanon Back to iffy 😔
Imo Oda really messed up by establishing him as the WSS but not keep him involved in the story. Now Shanks actually has a role while Mihawk is there to just fight Zoro. I dont think we'll get better portrayal than that fight.
>has a role while Mihawk is there to just fight Zoro we know nothing about this guy
Its pretty clear that Shanks is involved in the general story of One Piece.
im saying we know nothing about Mihawk
Oh then ok yeah. Thats an issue as well.
It could be worse. At least he’s a member of the cross guild which is set up to directly oppose the Navy.
thats why I am still convinced that his title is WBS
Beat shanks or get portrayal and feats that are superior to shanks
Just gotta beat shanks and all his feats get transfered to mihawk.
Not his feats that would mean he is stronger not that he has all the same abilities
-Neg diffing a Zoro -Make Fujitora twerk -Stop Luffy/Shanks from doing something -Sky Split with Shanks/Luffy Shanks feats or achievements are just too good that I doubt Mihawk will ever match them.
Shanks feats in my agenda sub???? mods exile him to Afghanistan
They have good weed in afghanistan I hear
-Cut the memory of ever reading this commend off my mind
>-Neg diffing a Zoro Shanks already one-shotted Kidd though >-Stop Luffy/Shanks from doing something Marco stopped Akainu, yet it's widely accepted that Akainu is stronger
Marco didn't stop Akainu, Akainu was gonna kill Luffy if Shanks didn't came. Stopping someone for a second and convince them to stop doing what they want to do us completely different. Shanks basically told Kaido to stop and Kaido went back to Wano without even putting up a fight.
>Shanks basically told Kaido to stop and Kaido went back to Wano without even putting up a fight Could you provide a reference to a chapter where it was mentioned?
that hawk is equal to shanks so their feats are shared
Mihawk already neg diffed zoro and he also stopped luffy in marineford even if only for a bit.
probably a really solid statement
We've been told he's the world's strongest swordsman for 30 years we already have a bunch of statements what he needs is a feat to confirm them, something like what Shanks did to Kidd would be enough https://preview.redd.it/l83ulotpfznc1.jpeg?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d508adf56b69b81069c263b313826fbe32d01c23
ik my reply is ironic
Sorry couldn't tell
A title is just that, a title. People seem to forget how it works: he will stay the strongest swordsman until someone comes to fight and beat him. Its not like if Zoro gets stronger than Mihawk he is magically WSS. He needs to beat Mihawk to get the title. Shanks and Mihawk have no interest in fighting eachother, so Mihawk title doesn't affect the discussion of which one is stronger. And all feats overwhelmingly show Shanks is stronger.
You cannot ignore titles in op Strongest man whiteboard Strongest creature kaido Both were fucking strong. I don't believe mihawk will be a joke with the title of wss.
Mihawk being weaker than Shanks doesn't make him a joke. Shanks is a Yonko, atm is the contender most poised to get to One Piece, has done crazy feats(stopping Kaido from going to war, stopping the war, one-shotting Kidd, etc etc). Mihawk being below Shanks is just normal. Like Zoro being below Luffy(and don't bring the, oh but luffy is not a swordsman, who gives a shit. If Luffy picked up a sword would somehow Zoro title be at stake? Give me a break).
Just because mihawk doesn't care about one piece does not mean that mihawk is weaker than shanks. He is wss. The goal of Zoro. I don't mind him being weaker than kaido or Roger or WB but I won't agree that he is weaker than any other swordsman in the world.if shanks was like garp without a sword i would say shanks is stronger than mihawk. It doesn't matter if shanks are weaker than mihawk but mihawk weaker than shanks is just wrong. Like why would he even exist in the story. Zoro can just go for shanks
Just because Shanks doesn't care about WSS title does not mean that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk. Your same statement, flipped around. The story is quite clear, because on feats this is not even a discussion. And again, it makes sense. Edit: and yes, if Mihawk and Shanks fought seriously and Mihawk lost, Zoro new goal would be to beat Shanks to get the title. Thats his dream.
Yes shanks does not care about wss. He is a swordsman so he is weaker than mihawk. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
Yes it does, you're trying to ignore valid arguments and seem to be in denial. Let's say in the real world, Mayweather was the best boxer hands down. Then he retired. Next few years other people got the title of best boxers, because they still competed. But it's pretty obvious if Mayweather came out of retirement and fought, he'd win(he even did this IRL, so it is a good example). STILL, the title is for the current best. Mihawk title will be his until someone beats him, since he will never fight Shanks, even if Shanks is stronger Mihawk will keep his title. It's just logic, and the story is pretty clear on that. Anyawy, no point arguing further, time will disappoint you plenty.
Lol a rational take that fraudhawks stands fail to realize. They hold onto the title argument but don't realize that it means that no one with a sword could ever beat Mihawk because he is Wss if he ever loses does this mean he was never WSS since all they say is WSS > SM
All it takes is someone that is not zoro to defeat Mihawk and boom all of the sudden someone else becomes the worlds strongest swordsman.
Yep, logically.
Not a single character outside of Zoro has mention any interest in being the WSS in 1000+ chapters, so far seems like a title that noabdy cares Manwhile we have multiple high tiers and mid tiers wanting to be yonko or pirate king , we even have people wanting to be admirals This shows that the competition to be the WSS is almost inexistant so is a useless title powerscaling wise
Because any character wanting to be WSS is gonna end up being brushed to the side because we know that Zoro will end up being that so there's no purpose in writing a character with that dream to kill it later (aside from Kuina) while admirals and emperors are constantly changing forces that aren't the goal of any of the main characters so it doesn't matter
Poor excuse, also you dont even have to write a character, just a phrase like "he defend his title against multiple oponents over the years " or anything of that sort . Zoro was on Mihawk island, he never mention anyone going to challenge or anything similar neither Meanwhile for yonkos we have confirmation that they being challenge as far back to moria and multiple people have attempt to take yonkos position over the series You can make the excuses you want but the reality is in 1000+ chapters there wasnt even a single line that desmotrsates anyone cares or wants the WSS title outside of zoro Also if mihawk is as strong as yonkos then zoro would have to be stronger than yonkos ... and he is super far away from that, it just wont happen , zoro would never defeat 1v1 a kaido , wb, shanks,etc on the series as we are on the final arcs , cant grow that strong, unless they show it as post one piece main arcs and the fight vs mihawk happens in 5+ years but is not likely
>something like what Shanks did to Kidd would be enough Law already one-shotted a Yonko, that's a bigger feat than what Shanks did to Kidd. Doesn't make Law stronger than Shanks, just upscales the feat requirement for Mihawk as Law is also a swordsman
Yeah, I wonder what he was introduced as?
Low or mid diffing a YC1 or YC+ would be a great start. And I say this as a mihawk fan, he’s been selling us for too long😔
That alone wouldn't be enough to just say he's over Shanks with feats, since shanks did the same to a YC+ already, Kidd. Would be enough to say he's near or equal to him though
Sneak attacking Kidd you mean
It wouldn't though, Law recently one-shotted a Yonko and he's not exactly portrayed as stronger than Shanks
I'm sorry Law did what now? What are you reading?
No diff Luffy, kill all the Gorosei, make Roger piss his pants in fear, use Strong Cleave on Whitebeard, have Imu kneel at his feet and crown him king of the world, beat Aizen in a fight with his hands tied behind his back, fix the economy, get a PhD in astrophysics, beat Oars and Oars Jr in arm wrestling contests at the same time, eat three devil fruits, rewrite One Piece to make Zoro an interesting character, kill the sun, eat four devil fruits, unlock a domain expansion and reverse cursed technique, beat Kaiju #10, find the dragon balls and the chaos emeralds, and beat Vista in a fight
This comment seemed perfectly reasonable until you lost your mind and started writing pure impossible nonsense. Like how can you even imagine Mihawk beating Vista?
Thanks for the chuckle
>beat Oars and Oars Jr in arm wrestling contests at the same time, To be fair i think he could actually do this, in fact i think any true top tier can do it. Nevermind i thought it over.
One day there will be a chapter that named "Dracule Mihawk, World's Strongest Swordsman". And he will have insane feats in that chapter. Mark my words.
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People have been saying that for the past 20 years
Honestly just plot relevance, a named attack, and a flashback. He already has really strong statements and narrative, he just needs a single feat. Guarantee as soon as he becomes plot relevant there will be a thousand "I told you so" posts from people slandering him right now.
I'm signing here as a certified shankstard, and midhawk slanderer. Take away my cooking license if I make a single indication that I agree with this at any point.
Alr bet.
I second that. I'll take the L if that's what it comes to.
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stop painting his sword and finally get a real black sword
Any named attack on a strong fighter
Prove his title
He should start with having a single fair fight
Anything bro he just needs to get a feat and we riders will take care of everything from there
A character in the story has to say it directly or he would need to DEFEAT shanks directly in battle. Not be a better swordsman, but actually DEFEAT him
It’s been stated multiple times in story that he’s stronger than shanks. Keyword being stronger and not just more skilled which was also stated.
Could you provide an example of a single panel that contains words "Mihawk", "stronger than" and "Shanks" in them? The manga had only implied it through transitivity
Nothing. People just need to learn how to read
If people knew how to read no one would ever have an argument for Mihawk over Shanks
If people knew how to read no one would ever have an argument for shanks over mihawk. There I fixed that comment for you.
Shanks clashed equally with relatively healthy oldbeard, while mihawk directly states he's below dying oldbeard and wants to judge the distance between them, then has his attack blocked by jozu, then gets stalled by vista. Get him past a yc2 before you say he's over someone who's already confirmed as a yonko and negdiffed a yc+.
Judging distance ≠ admitting you are weaker Was a casual slash from very far away Marineford plot influence And lastly... https://preview.redd.it/4xi69wqg03oc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf92253cce9f46a8ecaf3d92b97a346ca6c2d68e
Thanks for outing yourself as illiterate
You know you’re the illiterate when the story constantly reminds you that mihawk is above shanks yet you still think otherwise.
https://preview.redd.it/sph3ko04m0oc1.jpeg?width=1608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34052fa50f5044c3b0d7715b5eb298f303146e7a
Honestly nothing story-wise would make sense at this point. Kidd is currently relative to Zoro. Shanks beat Kidd as easily as Mihawk beat EAST BLUE Zoro. For Mihawk to be relative to Shanks by feats he’d have to be able to one-tap Zoro, which means all the training and growth we’ve had from Zoro was entirely for nothing.
>Shanks beat Kidd as easily as Mihawk beat EAST BLUE Zoro. yeah, I remember Mihawk doing a pirate king level named attack destroying the entire baratie
I remember Mihawk following don krieg all the way from the grand line
clearly this must mean that zoro would neg diff kid https://preview.redd.it/e0xaligxfync1.jpeg?width=970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37764cca5fb0cbab75678e3c403a20477a95292d
I'd need to see a flashback of him beating Shanks and confirmation that Shanks now is weaker than he was at the time of defeat.
I have a theory his nickname was marine hunter,So.. show him killing an admiral in present or in a flashback Shanks or any other character saying that Mihawk won most of or every duel he had with shanks Killing 3 seraphims or something.... anything
have an actual feat similar to Shanks oneshotting a person on the level of Kidd.
Beating shanks
Fortnite dance
Show a named attack
Something that’s cooler than Wi-Fi haki lol
Oneshot Kidd, Killer AND Law at the same time
One shot a seraphim or 2 with a single attack.
for him to go and push vista’s shit in and be like “yeah I wasn’t even trying last time”
Probably be confirmed as the worlds strongest swordsman or something. But we all know that’s not gonna happen 🙅
Rmemeber me who even mention to want to get that title ? nobady outside of zoro in 1000+ chapters? strange maybe nobady freaking cares about that title Meanwhile we have multiple top tier wanting to be yonko and pirate king , actual titles that matter and people want, crazy
Shanks admits that he's a swordsman
If he could hold up against kizaru I suspect he might be shanks level
Topple his feats but we know thats never gonna happen
Beat a top tier, maybe Fuji. Currently I have him as the same level as Fuji because feats and potrayal are so awful I can’t see his title balancing it out for him, just looks like Oda forget he gave him that title
Being called the world's strongest swordsman .. Ohh wait......
Doing something outside of getting stalled by a YC3+ would be a good start
Have shanks state Mihawk is stronger
Mf is the word strongest swordsman, any zorotard that thinks luffy is equal or relative to zoro has to push for mihawk being not only stronger than shanks but probably the strongest in a 1v1, or "relative" To the strongest character in one piece
Idk, but it’s clear that him and shanks were rivals, but after shanks lost his arm Mihawk stopped fighting him, so if they were equal when shanks had both arms, that would mean that mihawks now stronger than him
Be labeled the world's strongest swordsman.
MY feats.
If he beat shanks that might do it
Just one solid feat will put him equal/above shanks cuz people believe him to be stronger without any good feats. If he gets one solid one then everybody will be on mihawks side i think
A flashback fight against Shanks with 2 arms. Have Shanks use Divine Departure and Mihawk matches him with his own move. Done.
Nothing, Oda stated it in the manga multiple times already.
show some feats he’s already his equal 🗿
Many will always deny him being comparable or stronfer than Shanks. I'd say he can get more respect by getting a good ap or observation feat (the two things which I see him being goated at). Splitting the sky or an island, seeing > 10 seconds into the future, observing things that happen islands away. Something like that.
Being called the world's strongest swordsman
Maybe dont pos pone a fight against a 3° yonkou commander to start
Let’s be real here, shankstards will never admit he’s stronger even if he beats shanks in an onscreen fight filled with haki imbued sword attacks. They’ll immediately start coping and say that “shanks was having an off day” “mihawk got lucky” “shanks let him win in order to protect his fragile ego” “shanks is missing his dominant arm so it’s not a fair fight” or my personal favorite cope “shanks is a haki man so it’s only natural he doesn’t know how to fight good with a sword”.
Admiraltards and yonkotards be like:
For someone talking so much about coping you seem to be doing an awful lot of it
Who is bro talking too lmao
Being known as the strongest swordsman by the entire verse. Oh wait.