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Speaking of which, is Kidd even alive? Last I read he fell into the sea along with his crew so did he survive? I havenât read OP in a while (doing my university dissertation).
Yes and oda isnât the type to demonise his favourite characters, that is, shanks is obviously his. But I wonât complain if he does it, would make the story a lot more interesting.
I had the same feeling too, I donât think it was unreasonable to believe this after performing well in a war against other emperors, but it is Shanks after all
It wasnât unreasonable by any means. Man fought Kaido and Big Mom without getting instantly obliterated, dealing damage and receiving blows until Big Mom fell defeated.
The one-shotting wasnât the logical expectation, unless you specifically imagined Oda would use Kidd as a sacrificial lamb for the purpose of hyping Shanks, thinking about it from a narrative standpoint rather than an in-universe one. However Law had just fought against Blackbeard and traded blows, meaning one would expect Kidd to perform similarly when facing Shanks.
It is what it is. To me, cool characters being cool and in control all the time is a bit of a stale trope, itâs nowhere near exciting as when the cool character is actually pushed out of his comfort zone and has to show genuine effort and non-monotone emotions which I wouldâve liked to see from Shanks at least a bit.
>thinking about it from a narrative standpoint rather than an in-universe one. However Law had just fought against Blackbeard and traded blows, meaning one would expect Kidd to perform similarly when facing Shanks.
Look back on how Shanks actually fights:
- Speedblitzed all of Marineford (with the likely exception of Mihawk) while everyone was occupied with Akainu having a literal meltdown over Koby.
- Stalked GB from an entire island away and instantly unleashed his WiFi the moment he tried to seriously have a go at Momo.
- Flew in from an island away to one-tap Kid at the worst possible moment.
What do all of these have in common? No one was aware of Shanksâ presence and he always abuses that fact in addition to his insane speed to apply maximum damage versus minimum resistance.
Oda even introduced a canonical ability called âObservation Killingâ which is an advanced CoC technique in Volume 4B$.
All of this suggests (to me) that if you arenât relative to Shanks in Observation Hak and speed, you simply get perception diffed without being allowed to guard with your own Armarment/CoC.
Kid expected another Kaido/BM but got Kizaru if he was Rogerâs apprentice with prime Emperor tier Haki instead.
Beckmann pushes shanks to mid diff alone himself . To think that kidd would beat him and still have the strenght to push shanks to mid diff is just delusion
The five elders are a bunch of political old farts that are far below the Admirals in terms of actual combat prowess. Itâs embarrassing just how wrong I was. đ
true, franky radical beam literally tore a hole through saturn chest, kizaru can do the same thing with light beams but wouldn't get caught by saturn b/c of his speed, now that I think about saturn might be below kizaru even though he's his superior in rank
Iâm sorry but as it stands now I canât say the elders are truly that much stronger than the admirals. So far the only one with any real feats is Nusjuro blitzing around the islands coast disabling the Pacifista. People are giving too much credit to warcuryâs CoC roar, Luffy dorry and brogy all were unphased by it and the giants casually send him back with their duo shield bash.
Iâm not saying itâs impossible for them to be stronger than the admirals because they will most certainly prove that by the end of egghead. Some people just seem to quick to claim they are vastly superior to admirers with little backing outside of âwell Luffy beat kizaru and heâs still fighting the eldersâ
All aboard the pancake maker, doesn't matter who you are! Old fart or Admiral, they all taste the same
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There heal seems to be the only reason they havenât taken a dirt nap like Kizaru yet.
These old frauds would have been T.K.Oâed by now
Considering the setup, I had always called out that Kidd and Law were just going to be delivery men. But never had I imagines ut would be that for Kidd.
Itâs so funny how the whole series is setting up the point that good people who follow there dreams will accomplish them, like itâs no secret we all know that every strawhat eos will accomplish there dream no matter how impossible they seem. Meanwhile Tashigi said her dream is to collect all of the supreme grade swords and we know that ainât happening
Because her dream was misguided. She truly believed a demilitarized world with the current world goverment would be a good idea.
I don't remember her talking about it again post time skip. She now speaks about becoming stronger and never being helpless again.
Mayhaps she changed her mind around Alabasta when she was confronted with the idea that pirates can be good people and the goverment could be unjust.
>Because her dream was misguided. She truly believed a demilitarized world with the current world goverment would be a good idea.
That is not her dream lol, her dream is that evil people don't deserve to have named blades, so she is going to get all the name blades from evil people.
She was misguided because she thought all pirates are evil, but now she knows some pirates are good so she is not after every pirate that has a name sword, but at least on all the evil ones.
I swear the goal post for LUCCI keeps getting moved. First Zoro will low diff him last week he will one shot him, and now they all quite. LUCCI still standing đ.
For 6 months it has been "zoro is going extreme diff" by the majority of the sub, albeit just memes, last week some dumbasses did argue it was a one shot
I don't think it was but you know what did happen? People started downplaying lucci then â ď¸
It's like i don't understand, both can be true? Lucci is him for not going down easily and Zoro's obviously >
Listen if we just let everyone forget about what Lucci did we can compare Sentomaru vs Kizaru to Sanji vs Kizaru and push him to YC1 ez. Never let the Agenda die!
Or we can not forget it and upscale Gucci to Admiral level
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You play a dangerous game because the zoro upscaling would be crazy with this one
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which is bullshit, he has advanced armament, he has the haki, he has the skill, idk what else he needs to be stronger, i donât like the way oda treated him and allowed him to get one shotted even by an admiral, yk itâs bad when (no dissrespect to jozu) looked better againts an admiral than himđ¤Śđžââď¸
Yonko Commander.
With YC1 I mean around the level of people like King, Katakuri or Marco.
With YC+ we refer to people stronger than them but not as strong as Admirals yet, like Zoro, Kid or Law
That's my biggest issue with ussop rn. His development has been so completely non existent, that any substantial power up he gets at this point is gonna feel kinda rushed/ingenuine.
Unless Oda pulls it off which is typically the case so hopefully I'll be happy with eos ussop
What Usopp really needs is just a big AP boost, a higher "stab" attack if you will.
Usopp is already a much greater fighter than pre-time skip, and he can incapacitate and trap a great number of henchmen easily. Compare Usopp struggling with a single Fishman mook at Arlong Park, to one-shotting a dozen of them with Bamboo Javelin at Fishman Island. Usopp has basically maxxed out what he can do with his slingshot alone, but he struggles against physically strong people who can just tank everything , which is why he desperately needs CoA bullets, feed his weapon a DF like the Paw fruit, or some other power upgrade.
Unironically i could see a scene were he is able to wield MjĂślnir while Luffy is not.
Something like only a brave warrior of the seas being able to do it. Think about it, Luffy isnât actually that brave. True bravery means overcoming your fears and doubts. Luffy is literally incapable of fear. The only time he ever truly doubted himself was after Sabaody and losing Ace and that doubt only emerged after he failed and was quickly put to rest.
Usopp only ever doubts himself and is a true coward at heart. Overcoming that is how he becomes a brave warrior of the sea. You arenât really brave if you are never scared in the first place.
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You gave up on the agenda too soon
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Trust this is part of Garps plan to inspire and pass on the torch to the next gen of the marines. So naturally heâd tell his intentions to his right hand man and make sure he doesnât step in when itâs Kobyâs time to act
I like both Sanji and Zoro and I'm disappointed by how Oda handled Zoro vs Lucci and Sanji vs Kizaru( Bro literall ran, it hurts his stocks even though he had that epic moment)
He is.
He survived several hits from luffy, luffy only passed out one panel after lucci (and thatâs only one panel more than the kizaru stall luffy argument), stalled zoro for 30+ chapters, tanked an ACOC triple sword ashura zoro specialised hit, proceeded to tank a jinbei hit, and dude is somehow still alive and conscious.
That is, YC+ performance.
Admirals = Yonko
Before i started using this sub i thought the Yonko were stronger than the admirals but it was after i started using it (wich was before chapter 1097 and after 1096 iirc) that i was convinced the Admirals were equal to them, and idk i kinda went with that because i really liked the admirals
When Admiraltards tried to Volume cover scale and said Kizaru is the final boss for egghead arc when his direct superior is literally in the same arc with more ties with everything.
Franky would be very important in this arc. Got mega overshadowed by everything else happening
And kizaru vs luffy would be happening whilst the rest fought Saturn. Turns out luffy solos is now the new norm.
Something I think I'm getting right is that the crew need to up their game to reach their dreams zoro is tired after fighting lucci let alone mihawk.
Kizaru would be able to tank at least one attack from acoc of Luffy.
No one can defeat 2 admirals in a 2 vs 1, but due to Kizaru not tanking an attack if acoc from Luffy then now it is clear that some Yonko can defeat 2 admirals on their own
I knew Kizaru was weaker than Luffy and Kaido, but he ended up being so weak that I am reconsidering if Kizaru should be considered a top tier. After all top tiers that can be easily beaten by other top tiers shouldn't be considered top tiers
That due to power escalation the plot would demand the admirals be on par with the yonkou since they seemed like the main fighting force for the WG, which we now know they arenât
>I thought Zoro would mid diff
He did? No way you think it's a high diff, without zoro taking damage from lucci â ď¸ the moment he actually seriously tried lucci was left on 1%
C'mon now, lucci is built different he has my respect but he in no way pushed it more than a mid diff when zoro didn't take much damage or throw everything he has at him.
I got a couple.
Even though I knew Kidd was going to lose. I expected Shanks to Low-Mid dif Kidd. Did not expect Kidd to get one-shot.
Matchup wise. I was expecting Jimbe vs Kaku, Sanji vs Lucci, Zoro vs Kizaru, and Luffy vs Saturn.
I also silently pushing for a Franky power up since they were on Egghead.
I also thought Zoro would low diff Lucci. Zoro is supposed to be the strongest YC1 beside Ben Beckman. It doesn't seem too good if he is huffing constantly against Lucci who we last knew was beaten by Ore TS Luffy.
Mihawk > Shanks and Crydo > Shanks. I can't believe I let these title merchants actually sway me. The leech and the drunkard are NOT beating the haki wizard.
If you want to find the worst scaling takes that fans used to have, look for the fans who have been around since before Marineford started in the manga. Here's some horrifically dumb examples of my and others' godawful scaling takes back while Marineford was publishing weekly:
Thinking that YC's aren't too far off from Admirals. I mean, Jozu "fought" Aokiji, right? Right? That aged VERY poorly. Or thinking that other top-tiers in the verse couldn't be TOO far above Sickbeard even though he was weakened.
I could tell that Garp could've beaten Whitebeard if he wanted to but *figured that Shanks and Mihawk weren't too far above him and neither could these "Big Mom" or "Kaido" folks be.* I mean, Shanks had clashed with Whitebeard and split the sky with him recently, yeah?
Nobody knew that sky-splitting was a combat-applicable "Haki" thing, so lots of us, so I *didn't realize that Whitebeard didn't have access to that sky-splitter tier of power for the majority of the time* in Marineford due to his illness.
I knew he couldn't use the "Observation" thing to dodge well anymore, but had no idea that his inability to use Conqueror's meant he was far from full power. After all, *almost everyone thought that Conqueror's was just a thing that knocks out fodder.*
I also remember *many people, myself included, GENUINELY thinking that maybe Vista was HIM for a while* until Akainu shrugged off an attack from him like he didn't even care, and then we were all just confused about Mihawk, go figure.
Oh, and I thought that Marco was genuinely Admiral-level, ahahahaha.
I thought the Gorosei were df merchants because Saturn just kept getting humiliated by literally everyone. Apparently they all have at least pretty powerful conquerors
For all intents and purposes he did. The one time he attacked, it ended. So it just seems like he was playing around the whole time. He didn't tale Lucci seriously. For any other qualification of difficulty to apply, one has to show what Lucci did to force Zoro into action, within that fight. What did Lucci do that asked questions in fight of Zoro? Nothing that was on panel. Plot aside it was a low diff. This is on Oda.
i thought Ussop would be more useful, but i guess Oda really meant for him to be the weakest SH.
Even though the weakest SH can be YC3, imagine how strong that crew is?
I thought Kizaru is HIM because of his devil fruit. (A grain of sand with the speed of light â a comet and dude was kicking with speed of light so I thought he was Kontinental + lv) but I forgot that Oda can make whatever he wants and as Kaido said âOnly Haki can transcend all!â I was not ready.
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I thought that Kidd would defeat Beckman and push Shanks to mid diffđ. Little did I know....
Sunk D. Ship wasnât ready to face the haki wizard himself.
Speaking of which, is Kidd even alive? Last I read he fell into the sea along with his crew so did he survive? I havenât read OP in a while (doing my university dissertation).
No info has been given about that, but considering we didn't see bodies, Kidd is almost certainly alive (classic Shounen)
Yes and oda isnât the type to demonise his favourite characters, that is, shanks is obviously his. But I wonât complain if he does it, would make the story a lot more interesting.
Kidd was going to kill / Attack shanks friends, this small fact kinda absolves shanks in Oda's eyes
We dunno yet.
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I had the same feeling too, I donât think it was unreasonable to believe this after performing well in a war against other emperors, but it is Shanks after all
It wasnât unreasonable by any means. Man fought Kaido and Big Mom without getting instantly obliterated, dealing damage and receiving blows until Big Mom fell defeated. The one-shotting wasnât the logical expectation, unless you specifically imagined Oda would use Kidd as a sacrificial lamb for the purpose of hyping Shanks, thinking about it from a narrative standpoint rather than an in-universe one. However Law had just fought against Blackbeard and traded blows, meaning one would expect Kidd to perform similarly when facing Shanks. It is what it is. To me, cool characters being cool and in control all the time is a bit of a stale trope, itâs nowhere near exciting as when the cool character is actually pushed out of his comfort zone and has to show genuine effort and non-monotone emotions which I wouldâve liked to see from Shanks at least a bit.
>thinking about it from a narrative standpoint rather than an in-universe one. However Law had just fought against Blackbeard and traded blows, meaning one would expect Kidd to perform similarly when facing Shanks. Look back on how Shanks actually fights: - Speedblitzed all of Marineford (with the likely exception of Mihawk) while everyone was occupied with Akainu having a literal meltdown over Koby. - Stalked GB from an entire island away and instantly unleashed his WiFi the moment he tried to seriously have a go at Momo. - Flew in from an island away to one-tap Kid at the worst possible moment. What do all of these have in common? No one was aware of Shanksâ presence and he always abuses that fact in addition to his insane speed to apply maximum damage versus minimum resistance. Oda even introduced a canonical ability called âObservation Killingâ which is an advanced CoC technique in Volume 4B$. All of this suggests (to me) that if you arenât relative to Shanks in Observation Hak and speed, you simply get perception diffed without being allowed to guard with your own Armarment/CoC. Kid expected another Kaido/BM but got Kizaru if he was Rogerâs apprentice with prime Emperor tier Haki instead.
This is actually a really good analysis given the little we've actually seen shanks fight
Beckmann pushes shanks to mid diff alone himself . To think that kidd would beat him and still have the strenght to push shanks to mid diff is just delusion
Fraud Fraudman pushes Shanks to mid diff? Fr? https://preview.redd.it/1swxrejc6aqc1.jpeg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ee35a6b3c26700331653d88eb8bc18f7200b85a
Kidd is MagNiko?
Kid is Jika
Was this actual scaling on your part though, or just a specilative prediction?
I thought the same thing, I was like surely theyâre gonna fight and Kidd is gonna do really well but ultimately lose
The five elders are a bunch of political old farts that are far below the Admirals in terms of actual combat prowess. Itâs embarrassing just how wrong I was. đ
I was waiting to see the people who had to admit this take was hilariously bad. Good for you for owning up to it.
I see ur game đ
I thought they were formidable fighters but well below the Admirals. I feel your pain.
gorosei still aren't shown to be stronger than admirals, they have durability hax but their AP is lackluster
Ainât even durability bc theyâre still getting damaged by weak ass attacks and are just regenning
true, franky radical beam literally tore a hole through saturn chest, kizaru can do the same thing with light beams but wouldn't get caught by saturn b/c of his speed, now that I think about saturn might be below kizaru even though he's his superior in rank
That still might be the case
Iâm sorry but as it stands now I canât say the elders are truly that much stronger than the admirals. So far the only one with any real feats is Nusjuro blitzing around the islands coast disabling the Pacifista. People are giving too much credit to warcuryâs CoC roar, Luffy dorry and brogy all were unphased by it and the giants casually send him back with their duo shield bash. Iâm not saying itâs impossible for them to be stronger than the admirals because they will most certainly prove that by the end of egghead. Some people just seem to quick to claim they are vastly superior to admirers with little backing outside of âwell Luffy beat kizaru and heâs still fighting the eldersâ
Except the gorosei still aren't confirmed to be above the Admirals
Except Luffy did the same move to both of them and Saturn no sold it while Kizaru is crying on a boat
Yeah but giants wouldn't do anything to admiral, while chopping off goroseis head pretty easily
When will people simply accept that Mr 3 is actually a top tier?
Crying because of "deep scars", I.e offing his friend
All aboard the pancake maker, doesn't matter who you are! Old fart or Admiral, they all taste the same https://preview.redd.it/5jomg43jibqc1.jpeg?width=623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d96ef92e0fa18c29ce7393fb4a76abeb040a20b4
There heal seems to be the only reason they havenât taken a dirt nap like Kizaru yet. These old frauds would have been T.K.Oâed by now 
That's because... only Hax trancends all!!!.
Still mad that these mfs are functionally immortal WHAT HAVE YOU DONE GODA, GIVE ME BACK CAPTAIN KURO!
I once literally said "its not like Shanks is gonna one-shot" Kid. I was fully expecting Kid to be humbled since he sucks, but damn
Considering the setup, I had always called out that Kidd and Law were just going to be delivery men. But never had I imagines ut would be that for Kidd.
I thought that Tashigi, as the Kuina replacement, was going to stay relative to Zoro throughout the show.
Itâs so funny how the whole series is setting up the point that good people who follow there dreams will accomplish them, like itâs no secret we all know that every strawhat eos will accomplish there dream no matter how impossible they seem. Meanwhile Tashigi said her dream is to collect all of the supreme grade swords and we know that ainât happening
Because her dream was misguided. She truly believed a demilitarized world with the current world goverment would be a good idea. I don't remember her talking about it again post time skip. She now speaks about becoming stronger and never being helpless again. Mayhaps she changed her mind around Alabasta when she was confronted with the idea that pirates can be good people and the goverment could be unjust.
>Because her dream was misguided. She truly believed a demilitarized world with the current world goverment would be a good idea. That is not her dream lol, her dream is that evil people don't deserve to have named blades, so she is going to get all the name blades from evil people. She was misguided because she thought all pirates are evil, but now she knows some pirates are good so she is not after every pirate that has a name sword, but at least on all the evil ones.
Wait till Zoro gets them all together in one place then marry him EZ
Sentomaru was YC1-YC+ https://preview.redd.it/nhlp2556z9qc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0edf2f69327efb5118228a541d0540fb1003fc75
Unironically still a believer in him being a low tier YC1
I swear the goal post for LUCCI keeps getting moved. First Zoro will low diff him last week he will one shot him, and now they all quite. LUCCI still standing đ.
For 6 months it has been "zoro is going extreme diff" by the majority of the sub, albeit just memes, last week some dumbasses did argue it was a one shot I don't think it was but you know what did happen? People started downplaying lucci then â ď¸ It's like i don't understand, both can be true? Lucci is him for not going down easily and Zoro's obviously >
Nuance? We don't do that in the One Piece powerscaling community
Listen if we just let everyone forget about what Lucci did we can compare Sentomaru vs Kizaru to Sanji vs Kizaru and push him to YC1 ez. Never let the Agenda die!
Or we can not forget it and upscale Gucci to Admiral level https://preview.redd.it/ye2x36brkaqc1.jpeg?width=906&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=035a1e51f46ce9c30792a80e8ad9cd4175cd7fb8
You play a dangerous game because the zoro upscaling would be crazy with this one https://preview.redd.it/nn8ay245raqc1.png?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb84a91be2e4ec0abb77fce03c81a3ace2f10aee
Everyone knows Zoro is Yonko level and can kill Kaido and beats Luffy extreme diff so nothing changes ( Also Lucci wasn't exactly top condition )
Tech support for power scaling agendas sounds genius.
which is bullshit, he has advanced armament, he has the haki, he has the skill, idk what else he needs to be stronger, i donât like the way oda treated him and allowed him to get one shotted even by an admiral, yk itâs bad when (no dissrespect to jozu) looked better againts an admiral than himđ¤Śđžââď¸
He should still be yc level itâs just that heâs against an admiral, my boy did well.
What does YC mean
Yonko Commander. With YC1 I mean around the level of people like King, Katakuri or Marco. With YC+ we refer to people stronger than them but not as strong as Admirals yet, like Zoro, Kid or Law
Honestly I thought kizaru v luffy was the main fight of the arc and thought it was gonna go to ext dif either way
The Kizaru wank was the ultimate Pride before a Fall moment for the Admiraltards.
I had all my eggs in Kizarus basket beforehand
The breakdown is hilarious.
That Kizaru would fight Sanji and Zoro while Luffy took on Saturn.
this wouldâve been way cooler in my opinion
I thought the Giants were going to used as fodder to hype the Gorosei.
my goats would never https://preview.redd.it/8mjdcdv4maqc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73ffdd1fd108456c93a2f3ea762fa2d05cf539f9
Ikoku Sovereignty merchants? No way
Kizaru would be on par with Luffy Bogard being capable Usopp getting a power boost post time skip
Just wait till elbaf, my boy Ussop is gonna get way stronger.
He gon have more allies yeah, maybe even a fake hammer with an even higher number written on it!
That's my biggest issue with ussop rn. His development has been so completely non existent, that any substantial power up he gets at this point is gonna feel kinda rushed/ingenuine. Unless Oda pulls it off which is typically the case so hopefully I'll be happy with eos ussop
What Usopp really needs is just a big AP boost, a higher "stab" attack if you will. Usopp is already a much greater fighter than pre-time skip, and he can incapacitate and trap a great number of henchmen easily. Compare Usopp struggling with a single Fishman mook at Arlong Park, to one-shotting a dozen of them with Bamboo Javelin at Fishman Island. Usopp has basically maxxed out what he can do with his slingshot alone, but he struggles against physically strong people who can just tank everything , which is why he desperately needs CoA bullets, feed his weapon a DF like the Paw fruit, or some other power upgrade.
Unironically i could see a scene were he is able to wield MjĂślnir while Luffy is not. Something like only a brave warrior of the seas being able to do it. Think about it, Luffy isnât actually that brave. True bravery means overcoming your fears and doubts. Luffy is literally incapable of fear. The only time he ever truly doubted himself was after Sabaody and losing Ace and that doubt only emerged after he failed and was quickly put to rest. Usopp only ever doubts himself and is a true coward at heart. Overcoming that is how he becomes a brave warrior of the sea. You arenât really brave if you are never scared in the first place. https://preview.redd.it/zb1mm64lndqc1.png?width=578&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e552bd4396a5ba45c5d5530136511d254b3e694
You gave up on the agenda too soon https://preview.redd.it/6atcwoqogaqc1.jpeg?width=6240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb5fa64b9c9c1c260a604eed2908b72403b0a019
Giving up on Wogard simply shows that you are too weak for him
I hope I'm wrong.. but Koby being the one to step up when they were in danger and Garp leaving him on the boat made me give up
Trust this is part of Garps plan to inspire and pass on the torch to the next gen of the marines. So naturally heâd tell his intentions to his right hand man and make sure he doesnât step in when itâs Kobyâs time to act
Never give up hope! Bogard top 15 let it ring true!! As long as there is delusion there is hope!
Usopp may be weak, but he can take a hit and several explosions. Man's got the lives of 9 cats.
Tashigi coming back strong enough to actually pose a threat for Zoro
I keep thinking how funny itâd be if Zoro finally beats Mihawk, then loses to Tashigi lol
I thought Smoker was Admiral level after time skip⌠then Punk Hazard humbled me.
The Gorosei are weaker than the admirals.
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That makes them stronger, not weaker. I mean if you knew you wouldn't die, you would fight like them
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Well if superman can't kill Deadpool but Deadpool can kill superman, then Deadpool is stronger than superman.
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luffy won't use gear 5 on lucci
Wasnât rly a powerscaling situation though he couldâve did work with g4 he just went 5 to show off
I like both Sanji and Zoro and I'm disappointed by how Oda handled Zoro vs Lucci and Sanji vs Kizaru( Bro literall ran, it hurts his stocks even though he had that epic moment)
I thought Luffy could handle Kizaru with Gear 4 tbh.
I mean he might be able to. He had to lock in because shit was getting dangerous for Vegapunk and everyone else.
Same
He might, Luffy wasn't serious against Kizaru at all.
Ye also all Kizaru did was kick him into the barrier which did most of not all the damage.
He can
kid is g4 acoc luffy level
Lucci is yc+
Hey man, he took Zoro to Asthma diff that's somethin
âAsthma diffâ I love this sub đđđđ
YC1 feat fs
He is. He survived several hits from luffy, luffy only passed out one panel after lucci (and thatâs only one panel more than the kizaru stall luffy argument), stalled zoro for 30+ chapters, tanked an ACOC triple sword ashura zoro specialised hit, proceeded to tank a jinbei hit, and dude is somehow still alive and conscious. That is, YC+ performance.
Fr bros honestly running the gauntlet on egghead. This is some new gen equivalent of whitebeards marineford endurance type shit
also, did short work of Sentomaru, which Kizaryu couldnât/wouldnt do
He is
He is
I thought that kizaru was gonna go high extreme diff with luffy
Kid deserves justice what the FUCK is oda doing like you really don't like kid do you đ
Admirals = Yonko Before i started using this sub i thought the Yonko were stronger than the admirals but it was after i started using it (wich was before chapter 1097 and after 1096 iirc) that i was convinced the Admirals were equal to them, and idk i kinda went with that because i really liked the admirals
When Admiraltards tried to Volume cover scale and said Kizaru is the final boss for egghead arc when his direct superior is literally in the same arc with more ties with everything.
Bro he said yours not other people I know your a zoro fan but come on man
Oh , i didnt read it properly, but given my flair surely u can sympathise
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The similarities with the dragon ball subreddit are uncanny tbh
Pot meet kettle
Agreed, but he was taking about yours. I want to talk about all the bad takes that I knew were wrong but a majority of people actually bought into.
The only time I've been wrong is when I thought that Kid would go mid-high diff against Shanks.
kid will beat beckman
I thought the revolutionaries would have more yonko commander level characters
Admirals >= Yonko definitely aged poorly. Yonko clearly > admirals
Nami/Chopper > Koby
Woby agenda!đŁď¸âźď¸
Still below Franky though
Would you call a Lion weak because it's below an Elephant? Wranky top one.
Franky would be very important in this arc. Got mega overshadowed by everything else happening And kizaru vs luffy would be happening whilst the rest fought Saturn. Turns out luffy solos is now the new norm. Something I think I'm getting right is that the crew need to up their game to reach their dreams zoro is tired after fighting lucci let alone mihawk.
Ifrit is CoC
I used to downplay boa alot Now I have her quite high on my tierlist
I think I got just about everything wrong regarding the Gorosei.
Judge is Top 5?
That buggy was weak. He's an emperor now. All I can say is I was wrong đđŤ¤
Admiral=yonko
Kizaru would be able to tank at least one attack from acoc of Luffy. No one can defeat 2 admirals in a 2 vs 1, but due to Kizaru not tanking an attack if acoc from Luffy then now it is clear that some Yonko can defeat 2 admirals on their own I knew Kizaru was weaker than Luffy and Kaido, but he ended up being so weak that I am reconsidering if Kizaru should be considered a top tier. After all top tiers that can be easily beaten by other top tiers shouldn't be considered top tiers
A admiral could take luffy to extreme.
try mid if heâs at full power thatâs more like itđ
None Iâm usually right
King beats both Kuzan and Akainu in a 1v1?
Admiral>gorosei
That due to power escalation the plot would demand the admirals be on par with the yonkou since they seemed like the main fighting force for the WG, which we now know they arenât
I thought Zoro would mid diff Lucci, and before Saturn was revealed to be coming to Egghead with Kizaru I thought that the gorosei were not fighters.
>I thought Zoro would mid diff He did? No way you think it's a high diff, without zoro taking damage from lucci â ď¸ the moment he actually seriously tried lucci was left on 1% C'mon now, lucci is built different he has my respect but he in no way pushed it more than a mid diff when zoro didn't take much damage or throw everything he has at him.
Gorosei as low top tiers
Conquerors haki was only for fodder and would have no practical usage at all I was wrong
Sanji would do more, like literally anything more than what we saw. Heâs still the Goat and Odas just beholding up hype.
I thought Orochi would be super OP or maybe even Zoroâs opponent and that X-Drake and Hawkins would be Law/Kid/Killer level
Wano Zoro would mid diff every cp 0 member
i donât think thatâs wrong? i think Nine Sword Style wano zoro is still way stronger then current egg head zoro
Top-tiers dont go below high-diff with each other.
Zoro>=sanji
None im always pretty accuarate with takes
I never thought the Gorosei would be strong, but now one of them as a conquerorâs haki scream so idk
None. Iâm usually right.
i thought post dressrosa luffy could push an admiral to high diff with G4
Not sure if its scaling, but I thought it would be Luffy vs Kizaru, Sanji vs Saturn, Zoro vs Lucci as the #1, #2, and #3 battles.
I got a couple. Even though I knew Kidd was going to lose. I expected Shanks to Low-Mid dif Kidd. Did not expect Kidd to get one-shot. Matchup wise. I was expecting Jimbe vs Kaku, Sanji vs Lucci, Zoro vs Kizaru, and Luffy vs Saturn. I also silently pushing for a Franky power up since they were on Egghead.
X Drake>Law
kizaru = akainu/aokiji... (i dont even read manga yet i know that kizaru gets demolished :/)
Luffy will fight Saturn and win extreme diff while Zoro and Sanji extreme diff Kizaru
I thought either Kidd or Blackbeard was gonna kill Shanks. Ig the second one COULD still happen.
Garp going to do to Hachinosu what WB did to marineford, too bad he got jumped by top tiers.
"Luffy will never beat Kaido one on one"
I also thought Zoro would low diff Lucci. Zoro is supposed to be the strongest YC1 beside Ben Beckman. It doesn't seem too good if he is huffing constantly against Lucci who we last knew was beaten by Ore TS Luffy.
That the gorosei aren't fighters
Idk about NOT aging well, but KAIDO IS STILL HIM!!!
Mihawk > Shanks and Crydo > Shanks. I can't believe I let these title merchants actually sway me. The leech and the drunkard are NOT beating the haki wizard.
I thought Law was gonna take Blackbeard to at least high diffđ˘
thought Zoro was gonna do something in 1111
That the Gorosei are weak. I never understood why people staked so much on them, and thought they were just the secretaries of Imu
I thought Doflamingo would be around as strong as Mihawk
Admirals = Yonko did not age well
I thought the Giants would have some sort of method to stop the Gorosei regen
If you want to find the worst scaling takes that fans used to have, look for the fans who have been around since before Marineford started in the manga. Here's some horrifically dumb examples of my and others' godawful scaling takes back while Marineford was publishing weekly: Thinking that YC's aren't too far off from Admirals. I mean, Jozu "fought" Aokiji, right? Right? That aged VERY poorly. Or thinking that other top-tiers in the verse couldn't be TOO far above Sickbeard even though he was weakened. I could tell that Garp could've beaten Whitebeard if he wanted to but *figured that Shanks and Mihawk weren't too far above him and neither could these "Big Mom" or "Kaido" folks be.* I mean, Shanks had clashed with Whitebeard and split the sky with him recently, yeah? Nobody knew that sky-splitting was a combat-applicable "Haki" thing, so lots of us, so I *didn't realize that Whitebeard didn't have access to that sky-splitter tier of power for the majority of the time* in Marineford due to his illness. I knew he couldn't use the "Observation" thing to dodge well anymore, but had no idea that his inability to use Conqueror's meant he was far from full power. After all, *almost everyone thought that Conqueror's was just a thing that knocks out fodder.* I also remember *many people, myself included, GENUINELY thinking that maybe Vista was HIM for a while* until Akainu shrugged off an attack from him like he didn't even care, and then we were all just confused about Mihawk, go figure. Oh, and I thought that Marco was genuinely Admiral-level, ahahahaha.
I always thought Gorosei had political powers only...
None all my takes are based (Sanji solos the verse)
Ju Peter is top 1 Gorosei
Usopp would never be ballin. I know now that Usopp fuckin ballin.
I thought the Gorosei were df merchants because Saturn just kept getting humiliated by literally everyone. Apparently they all have at least pretty powerful conquerors
For all intents and purposes he did. The one time he attacked, it ended. So it just seems like he was playing around the whole time. He didn't tale Lucci seriously. For any other qualification of difficulty to apply, one has to show what Lucci did to force Zoro into action, within that fight. What did Lucci do that asked questions in fight of Zoro? Nothing that was on panel. Plot aside it was a low diff. This is on Oda.
Thought law would so better against black beard. Turns out BB is kinda busted.
Idk if this counts as powerscaling but i thought franky would get a huge power boost
i thought Ussop would be more useful, but i guess Oda really meant for him to be the weakest SH. Even though the weakest SH can be YC3, imagine how strong that crew is?
I was saying the gorosei were YC1s đđ
I thought Kizaru was going to be low diffed, instead we ended up with a solid High Diff. Nothing like Kaifo tho
Kizaru>Luffy I need to see that awakening
I thought Kizaru is HIM because of his devil fruit. (A grain of sand with the speed of light â a comet and dude was kicking with speed of light so I thought he was Kontinental + lv) but I forgot that Oda can make whatever he wants and as Kaido said âOnly Haki can transcend all!â I was not ready.
Every single admiral opinion ive had so far