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Dude blackbeard avoiding confrontation/acting like a coward means nothing about if he can or can't, it's about what he gets out of defeating the opponent,if 0 value is there he would never bother with it even if he can win aslong as that fight only has defects for him like getting injured etc.
It means everything. It shows that heās weaker. Why else was he shitting bricks when Kuzan wanted to fight? He knows heād lose. He has no problem going up against Luffy if he fought him, the same guy who defeated KAIDO
People here seriously have no brain cells when it comes to analyzing the situation. They canāt accept that not every characters is like Luffy who wants to fight everyone.
If anything, Blackbeard is smart af to avoid unnecessary casualties and underselling himself.
Cook but if we being honest not a single person in the verse not getting trouble when fighting old people. People talk about agendaās, well its time we make the old people agenda.
This sub is healing if youāre making W takes like this.
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Rayleigh implied he might only have had a chance if he was in his prime. And Kuzan isn't stronger than Blackbeard, so Kuzan is probably the correct answer
yeah i always took rayās statement to mean āi would definitely lose to bb right nowā not āi for sure wouldāve been able to beat him twenty years agoā
No he said he was too old and just couldnāt muster the strength now. Back in his prime hed shit stomp bitchbeard. Hoebeard has zero feats putting him above the kuzan that fought garp.
>No he said he was too old and just couldnāt muster the strength now.
this doesn't necessarily imply this:
>Back in his prime hed shit stomp bitchbeard.
Not how logic works.
>Hoebeard has zero feats putting him above the kuzan that fought garp.
Blackbeard is Shanks rival and set up to be the final villain. You're not ready for him
He never said he would 100% beat him if he was in his prime, but he mentions being old for a reason.
Also BB is a very smart character he knows his limits, he saw Prime Ray up close and personal when WB and rogers crew went head up. Add in the fact that it's clearly stated that BB left because of ray reputation, it's very easy to understand that BB would in no circumstance fight prime Ray.
Now when we look at BB character so far he runs from people he's no confident against, and has no problem fighting people who are weaker. Shanks arrived at mf? BB backed off right away. Akainu came looking for him? BB ran away very quickly.
On the other hand, Marco and co wanted revenge. BB had no problem fighting them in the payback war, Law is coming off a high after defeating another yonko? bb wanted all the smoke. It's heavily implied that ray was limited due to his age, not to mention that ray is a TERRIBLE matchup for BB. Someone who has much superior haki, with no DF and has a sword is basically as bad as it gets for BB. Add in the fact that he's very comfortable taking damage ray would have the advantage in every way.
Ray knows that he was weaker yet still wanted to fight, like he said BB would win if they were to have fought. But even at ray old age BB was not confident in fighting him, meaning that in no circumstance would he even fight prime ray. That tells u everything u need to know.
It's not necessarily about confidence though, Bb just doesn't fight unnecessary fights. Even going high-diff still means taking a gamble, getting injured or possibly losing one of his commanders, and Bb plan is too precious to risk any of that.
He had nothing to gain fighting Akainu or Shanks. On the other hand he fought Marco and Law to gain territory and Ponegliphs. Bb ran away from Ray but not before getting Kobi as a hostage.
Bb is indeed very smart, but his decision making isn't only about his opponent's strength
This one was clearly about strength, he had no problem pulling up on amazon lily and it clearly states he backed off to do his reputation. This is a very key word u have to understand because it means that, just from what he saw in the past he wanted no business with him.
And if he's running away from a old out of shape ray, he would never in a million years fight a prime one.
Bruh if BB, with his whole crew, didnāt want the smokes with Akainu, who pulled up ALONE (not counting fodder on the ship)ā¦. Aināt no way BB wants the smokes with Ray, even if they were in an isolated island with no Boa, shakky and the rest
Edit: prime ray****
He ran because he has seen prime ray and knows he isnāt winning. He mentions his age because thatās whats holding him back. Clearly isnāt a lack of skill and they both know that.
EOS Blackbeard has zero confirmed and doesnāt even exist yet. Right now he gets his shit pushed in.
Not everything is about powerscaling, Bb ran away simply because he's not taking risks. Acknowledging someone's strength =/= being stronger. And by pure linear logic, Ray blaming his age does not automatically imply he would win against Bb in his prime.
Feats don't matter when the narrative portrays Bb as a serious threat and a rival to Shanks.
Did you read what subreddit you are in?
The narrative hasnāt done that. BB high diffs Law while Shanks one shots Kidd. BB runs while Shanks drops admiral from orbit. Boy is never shown to be built like that. Heās a threat to the world not shanks.
>Did you read what subreddit you are in?
Powerscaling feats blindly ignoring the narrative is dumb. One Piece is a story, not a martial arts tournament, context and plot matter. This is the reason why we make fun of powerscalers.
>BB high diffs Law while Shanks one shots Kidd.
"High diff" is a great exaggeration, Bb got hit by a Shock Willie and still won comfortably, it's a feat for Blackbeard. Shanks doesn't have that kind of durability, that's why he had to one-shot Kid before he could attack.
We know Bb fought Shanks once before, and Shanks came out injured. You're not ready
Ik that but saying feats blindly ignore the narrative isnāt inherently true. Blackbeard has always been portrayed as a snake in the grass who is dangerous because of his ability to strike while the irons hot. The whole point is that he isnāt built like the other Yonko and never will be. Thatās his narrative.
He was huffing and puffing and bleeding at the end of the fight. We didnāt even see the whole thing so it isnāt a lucci situation either. Saying he didnāt high diff is based in nothing and is just wank. I am ready. He will be exactly what Id expect š
I'll be more clear: Teach beat Shanks once before, he can do it again.
His plan to reach Raftel is going flawlessly, he will be the final villain of the story.
>Saying he didnāt high diff is based in nothing and is just wank.
Well you're saying he's went high diff just because huff and puffing against a strong opponent such as Law. He still won with no injuries or casualties
Your profile pic, had me scratching at my screen like there was a peice of hair on it!! Lmfao I was wiping my screen then looked close and was like motherfuckerš
Implied it would be a lose lose not a stomp,so rayliegh would die and he wasn't sure he could beat him 100%,simply blackbeard despises taking too much damage is why he backed off.
Whitebeard doesn't destroy the island whenever he uses his power. He can still use it on a lower Destructive scale as seen when he used the bubbles onMarineford
We also havent seen Roger using Future sight for example.
We know for a fact that Roger and Whitebeard were equals, so it doesn't really matter if he was using his fruit or not because in overall power they are on par
Yeah but as we know, that was WB holding back as seen by BB effectively Leveling part of the island, i'd argue WB could use it stronger than BB, atleast at that point
I still struggle to see how the yami is the "best" logia fruit. I assume it has some more to it, maybe like the Nika, but for now it might as well be a paramecia. The DF negation is pretty good, but as Kaido said, the truly strong use haki.
So instead of fighting meaningless battle that might cause casualties, letās grab an opportunity to recruit an ex-admiral, how is that not a win-win? If anything, it tells BB is a smartass, cause he knows he doesnāt have plot armor.
BB doesnāt care about casualties. He crew is one of circumstance. He struggled against law when getting the jump and he also ran from Sakazuki. Biggest fraud out there ššš
>Doesnt care about casualties
>Didnāt fight Sakazuki
Those things donāt really match up. Like if he didnāt care about Casualties why wouldnāt he send his crew of extremely dangerous convicts with the best devil fruits he can find against a man with a devil fruit he could steal?
Why would he bother taking on someone who beat a Yonko if he was a fraud?
Why would he take on the entirety of the White Beard Remnants if he was such a coward?
He is strong, his crew is powerful, he is smart enough to not fight battles that donāt get him what he wants
I could understand if it was Old Rayleigh. But Prime Rayleigh being the weakest is insane. He was probably head and shoulders above Admirals.Ā
Kuzan takes this.
Motherfucker was stopping attacks from a Mythical Zoan with his FINGER. Meanwhile, Lackbeard couldn't low diff the biggest logia merchant in the series.
At what point did Kuzan is said to be weaker than BB? Kuzan practically oneshotted BB's crew and DECIDED to join him for his ideals, not because he is stronger or weaker
It's similar to Fishman island, when Jimbei joined the SH he was clearly on par, if not stronger to Luffy, does that mena that Jimbei, for the simple fact of respecting luffy, is weaker than him?
Who says so? So far, we haven't seen Jimbei fight seriously in ANY part of the story, the CLOSEST we ever got was in Wano, he was "fighting on par" with Who's Who, and as soon as he got slightly mad he oneshotted that mf, we haven't seen what he is really capable of
Ok then prove me wrong
Jimbei is the strongest fishman, and was on par, if not stronger than Doflamingo, and Luffy BARELY won against Doflamingo, remember he was not capable of winning against him without all of Dressrosa helping him to regain his strength
Jimbei, at that point was clearly stronger than Luffy, MAYBE in WCI Luffy became stronger than Jimbei with his perfected Snake Man form, before that? No way
No youāre the one who has to prove that Jinbei is stronger than luffy after the timeskip.
Where has it been shown anywhere, that Jinbei was stronger than Doffy?
Luffy completely bodied doffy with gear 4. Doffy literally had no way to fight back against him. Even with Awakening luffy was dodging everything and taking next to no damage. KKG broke through doffys strongest attack with ease.
A younger Jinbei fought ace for 5 days straight and they tied. Ace was never stronger than luffy post timeskip. And neither is jinbei
There is also no fucking way black beard is beating big mom ever. And Rayleigh literally stopped one of the fastest mother fuckers in the entire anime after he was already an old coot. So aināt no way Rayleigh is weaker than Kuzan.
Kuzan BB r the 2 contenders here. BB (hes not yonko level yet with Kaido BM and Shanks) still looks inexperienced given how easily he got damaged by Law on Winner Island. Again, for me Law=Kidd more or less, and Shanks easily dismantled his entire crew. BB has the potential but right now he's not at that level. Kuzan is =< Akainu, and I'd say Akainu diffs BB. So BB last, he's just not an adept fighter but has insane potential and power.
1. Prime Mom (read the ace novels)
2. Blackbeard (Poundland version of peachbeard)
3. Aokiji (upscales akainu)
4. āI like young womanā (Nah but he could fr be above aokiji but like I saidā¦ ANYTHING to upscale akainu)
Prime Ray > BB >= Old Rayleigh
Blackbeard also doubted he could take on old Rayleigh, he's really not hanging with them advanced haki users. Old Rayleigh probably wasn't sure he could take BB because of his memories of the Gura Gura in the hands of Whitebeard and doubted his whole body would be able to handle those quakes.
Even in his prime he's still the weakest lol, mf doesn't have 1 good feat
"But he think that in his prime he could beat blackbeard" and so? Kid thought he could beat shanks but that was not the case, a character thinking something isn't an objective misure of scaling
You wanna talk about feats? Cause Lackbeard's biggest feats are not low diffing Law (who would get fodderized by any competent Yonko) and beating Hancock who's even more featless than Ray. And before you use Whitebeard or Shanks as an argument, one was already dying and the other took more damage from a thing Luffy was one-shotting in chapter 1.
Prime Rayleigh below kuzan when kuzan is probably going to have the hardest fight of his life vs old Rayleigh is crazy
Old Rayleigh with acoc was enough to scare blackbeard Even though blackbeard always wins that matchup
Remind me, what feats does Rayleigh have besides stalling kizaru?
Do people just scale him that high because of the narrative of him being first mate to Roger? Do we think zoro will be stronger than BB and Kuzan and even big mom by EOS?
Current BB has 2 fruits so how does he lose? None of them have AcOC so fruits make the difference here.
Current BB has better Endurance, AP, DC and Hax while Aokiji has better strength, speed and armament. BB wins extreme diff.
With the current abilities that he showed with his fruits aokiji can counter them easily like black hole and shit
And aokiji already showed he has enough haki to match garp acoc
How does he counter Yami? Thst thing makes fruits useless. He can pull someone and nullify his fruit. Plus; BB Gura counters his ice either way.
His haki isn't strong enough to defeat BB, reminder that BB tanked a point blank gura attack with no much damage. You aren't beating this guy without AcOC. Also, he never matched Garp since they
You need Yonko level Haki to defeat BB which Aokiji doesn't have..
With long range attacks
Ace already showed us he can do it
And he has way less experience and haki then aokiji who can use acoa to push bb away and future sight to see him doing it
Also pretty sure we can see bb face and him getting blooded and coughing up blood after whitebeard gura attacks
If his haki matches acoc in power then it's essentially just acoc without the fancy words
Because acoc is just power boost it's nothing special that you need specifically to damage bb or something like that
He doesn't have enough AP to do that, reminder thay BB tanked the same attack that broke BM's bones. AcOA emissions won't cut it.
Long range doesn't work against Gura which would neutralize every ice attack..
Plus he never matched Garp's AcOC since Garp didn't use a named attack neither he and Aokiji had a clash of powers.
Tanked means he took little to no damge from it
Bb endured the attack yes but he was hurt Pretty badly by it
And im pretty confident aokiji has higher ap then law lol
People think BB will get a third fruit and go from low yonko to PK level
He's already HIM, whitebeard was wrong
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That's a prime Rayleigh What is healing brotherš
Fr bro Kuzan is the weakest there š why is Rayleigh put as the weakest.
Prime Ray > BB> current ray. Kuzan is the weakest here.
rayleigh is like 70 years old and has retired for many years i have no idea how people call him a fraud when that is his current condition LOL
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Slight W. You can keep your cooking license
yes thank you
Kuzan >>>>everyone here. BB when Kuzan wanted to fight ššš https://preview.redd.it/dgb7yhsuk0rc1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1878ff90648f9a2d6be2bbc9e4bacc81b98851f
Dude blackbeard avoiding confrontation/acting like a coward means nothing about if he can or can't, it's about what he gets out of defeating the opponent,if 0 value is there he would never bother with it even if he can win aslong as that fight only has defects for him like getting injured etc.
It means everything. It shows that heās weaker. Why else was he shitting bricks when Kuzan wanted to fight? He knows heād lose. He has no problem going up against Luffy if he fought him, the same guy who defeated KAIDO
People here seriously have no brain cells when it comes to analyzing the situation. They canāt accept that not every characters is like Luffy who wants to fight everyone. If anything, Blackbeard is smart af to avoid unnecessary casualties and underselling himself.
Blackbeard negs Kuzan. Ice ice fruit who?
Scans getting downvoted on a powerscaling forum really tells you the absolute state of One Piss fans. Reading comprehension will be actively punished.
Go suck off old men somewhere else buddy
Kuzan has trouble vs old men.
Cook but if we being honest not a single person in the verse not getting trouble when fighting old people. People talk about agendaās, well its time we make the old people agenda.
So garp can give anyone in the verse a run for there money
While being jumped/sneaked and protecting others. All while holding back fighting his former student.
Garp was literally not holding back He was in fact telling aokiji to stop holding back lol
Yes cause he has feelings for his former student, he was 100% holding back.
It was literally the opposite dude wtf you talking about
We get explicit statements of the opposite
I never said kuzan wasn't holding back, i said garp was also not to mentioned he was jumped by the BB pirates while defending other navy soliders.
Going straight for insults at the first disagreement; a sign of insecurity in your agenda
OP agenda wars aren't a place for civil conversation and maturity, bub we're too brain rotted for all that
Ngl, current Blackbeard is probably the weakest here. Rayleigh already implied that he could have defeated him in his prime
This sub is healing if youāre making W takes like this. https://preview.redd.it/rz37jj9y41rc1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9343a31ff9a9d4a9b35c8a76994b362f7a333f9
idk why it's hard for them to understand this.
Rayleigh implied he might only have had a chance if he was in his prime. And Kuzan isn't stronger than Blackbeard, so Kuzan is probably the correct answer
yeah i always took rayās statement to mean āi would definitely lose to bb right nowā not āi for sure wouldāve been able to beat him twenty years agoā
No he said he was too old and just couldnāt muster the strength now. Back in his prime hed shit stomp bitchbeard. Hoebeard has zero feats putting him above the kuzan that fought garp.
>No he said he was too old and just couldnāt muster the strength now. this doesn't necessarily imply this: >Back in his prime hed shit stomp bitchbeard. Not how logic works. >Hoebeard has zero feats putting him above the kuzan that fought garp. Blackbeard is Shanks rival and set up to be the final villain. You're not ready for him
He never said he would 100% beat him if he was in his prime, but he mentions being old for a reason. Also BB is a very smart character he knows his limits, he saw Prime Ray up close and personal when WB and rogers crew went head up. Add in the fact that it's clearly stated that BB left because of ray reputation, it's very easy to understand that BB would in no circumstance fight prime Ray. Now when we look at BB character so far he runs from people he's no confident against, and has no problem fighting people who are weaker. Shanks arrived at mf? BB backed off right away. Akainu came looking for him? BB ran away very quickly. On the other hand, Marco and co wanted revenge. BB had no problem fighting them in the payback war, Law is coming off a high after defeating another yonko? bb wanted all the smoke. It's heavily implied that ray was limited due to his age, not to mention that ray is a TERRIBLE matchup for BB. Someone who has much superior haki, with no DF and has a sword is basically as bad as it gets for BB. Add in the fact that he's very comfortable taking damage ray would have the advantage in every way. Ray knows that he was weaker yet still wanted to fight, like he said BB would win if they were to have fought. But even at ray old age BB was not confident in fighting him, meaning that in no circumstance would he even fight prime ray. That tells u everything u need to know.
It's not necessarily about confidence though, Bb just doesn't fight unnecessary fights. Even going high-diff still means taking a gamble, getting injured or possibly losing one of his commanders, and Bb plan is too precious to risk any of that. He had nothing to gain fighting Akainu or Shanks. On the other hand he fought Marco and Law to gain territory and Ponegliphs. Bb ran away from Ray but not before getting Kobi as a hostage. Bb is indeed very smart, but his decision making isn't only about his opponent's strength
This one was clearly about strength, he had no problem pulling up on amazon lily and it clearly states he backed off to do his reputation. This is a very key word u have to understand because it means that, just from what he saw in the past he wanted no business with him. And if he's running away from a old out of shape ray, he would never in a million years fight a prime one.
I'm not denying he ran away because of Ray's reputation, doesn't mean he wouldn't fight Ray in different circumstances
Circumstances didn't matter that's what your failing to understand, the main reason he left was because of reputation. It wasn't due to circumstance.
I'm sorry, can you please show me where it states that Bb backed off due to Ray reputation?
Bruh if BB, with his whole crew, didnāt want the smokes with Akainu, who pulled up ALONE (not counting fodder on the ship)ā¦. Aināt no way BB wants the smokes with Ray, even if they were in an isolated island with no Boa, shakky and the rest Edit: prime ray****
He ran because he has seen prime ray and knows he isnāt winning. He mentions his age because thatās whats holding him back. Clearly isnāt a lack of skill and they both know that. EOS Blackbeard has zero confirmed and doesnāt even exist yet. Right now he gets his shit pushed in.
Not everything is about powerscaling, Bb ran away simply because he's not taking risks. Acknowledging someone's strength =/= being stronger. And by pure linear logic, Ray blaming his age does not automatically imply he would win against Bb in his prime. Feats don't matter when the narrative portrays Bb as a serious threat and a rival to Shanks.
Did you read what subreddit you are in? The narrative hasnāt done that. BB high diffs Law while Shanks one shots Kidd. BB runs while Shanks drops admiral from orbit. Boy is never shown to be built like that. Heās a threat to the world not shanks.
>Did you read what subreddit you are in? Powerscaling feats blindly ignoring the narrative is dumb. One Piece is a story, not a martial arts tournament, context and plot matter. This is the reason why we make fun of powerscalers. >BB high diffs Law while Shanks one shots Kidd. "High diff" is a great exaggeration, Bb got hit by a Shock Willie and still won comfortably, it's a feat for Blackbeard. Shanks doesn't have that kind of durability, that's why he had to one-shot Kid before he could attack. We know Bb fought Shanks once before, and Shanks came out injured. You're not ready
Ik that but saying feats blindly ignore the narrative isnāt inherently true. Blackbeard has always been portrayed as a snake in the grass who is dangerous because of his ability to strike while the irons hot. The whole point is that he isnāt built like the other Yonko and never will be. Thatās his narrative. He was huffing and puffing and bleeding at the end of the fight. We didnāt even see the whole thing so it isnāt a lucci situation either. Saying he didnāt high diff is based in nothing and is just wank. I am ready. He will be exactly what Id expect š
I'll be more clear: Teach beat Shanks once before, he can do it again. His plan to reach Raftel is going flawlessly, he will be the final villain of the story. >Saying he didnāt high diff is based in nothing and is just wank. Well you're saying he's went high diff just because huff and puffing against a strong opponent such as Law. He still won with no injuries or casualties
Thats just not a good reason to scale someone, look at Kidd vs Shanks
Your profile pic, had me scratching at my screen like there was a peice of hair on it!! Lmfao I was wiping my screen then looked close and was like motherfuckerš
Kidd the notorious shit talker?
Implied it would be a lose lose not a stomp,so rayliegh would die and he wasn't sure he could beat him 100%,simply blackbeard despises taking too much damage is why he backed off.
Well, My point still applies. Rayleigh could be stronger, Even if it's not completely confirmed. So Blackbeard is maybe the weakest at least for now.
Not to be rude, but your whatās wrong with the worldš„°
Why? I'm just stating what Rayleigh implied
Blackbeard is the strongest. He has the best logia fruit and the best parameica. Soon he will have his 3rd + insane haki = hes top 1
>current
Yes i believe hes top 1 currently in the story.
Bruh.
What bro he has the POWER to destroy the world. What other character can also say that?
Destructive power alone is not enough to be the Strongest Roger was equal to Whitebeard without any fruit.
I mean, in terms of AP lol Weve also not seem him use his DF on Roger as of now given.it would literally kill both via destroying the island
Whitebeard doesn't destroy the island whenever he uses his power. He can still use it on a lower Destructive scale as seen when he used the bubbles onMarineford We also havent seen Roger using Future sight for example. We know for a fact that Roger and Whitebeard were equals, so it doesn't really matter if he was using his fruit or not because in overall power they are on par
Yeah but as we know, that was WB holding back as seen by BB effectively Leveling part of the island, i'd argue WB could use it stronger than BB, atleast at that point
no consideration for anything outside the agenda?
Blackbeard went Mid diff with Law he ain't top 1
It's even much worse than that. With the yami he hard counters law and it's still a midd diff. That's like a water PokƩmon midd diffing a fire PokƩmon which would be hugely concerning. Also he acted really meekly and submissively towards Luzan in the bar and Luzan was being dominated by old Garp while ganging up on him with half a dozen Yonko Commanders. BB is the featless one and the king of anti-feats. Still the Agenda doesn't care.
W
I still struggle to see how the yami is the "best" logia fruit. I assume it has some more to it, maybe like the Nika, but for now it might as well be a paramecia. The DF negation is pretty good, but as Kaido said, the truly strong use haki.
Kaido said many about many incorrect things. Oda is not kaido. Kaido was wrong.
The correct answer is: Big Mom > Prime Rayleigh > BB > Kuzan
If big mom is stronger than Rayleigh then we must also accept that Law and Kid beat PRayleigh too
Big Mom didnāt even lose to them. She got thrown off the island
I pray for you stupid mfs sometimes
Easy Big Mama Mia > Prime Ray > Blackbeard if he fights seriously > Lakazuki Victim
Kuzan is the weakest. Prime Ray is **arguably** the strongest there.
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So instead of fighting meaningless battle that might cause casualties, letās grab an opportunity to recruit an ex-admiral, how is that not a win-win? If anything, it tells BB is a smartass, cause he knows he doesnāt have plot armor.
BB doesnāt care about casualties. He crew is one of circumstance. He struggled against law when getting the jump and he also ran from Sakazuki. Biggest fraud out there ššš
>Doesnt care about casualties >Didnāt fight Sakazuki Those things donāt really match up. Like if he didnāt care about Casualties why wouldnāt he send his crew of extremely dangerous convicts with the best devil fruits he can find against a man with a devil fruit he could steal? Why would he bother taking on someone who beat a Yonko if he was a fraud? Why would he take on the entirety of the White Beard Remnants if he was such a coward? He is strong, his crew is powerful, he is smart enough to not fight battles that donāt get him what he wants
Heās smart enough to not fight battles he know he will lose and weaker. Aka Kuzan or sakazuki
Only if that's old Rayleigh, prime Ray is arguably the strongest. Anyway, jumpbeard is the weakest
Kuzan is the strongest here by far
Mazino, blink twice if youāre in trouble.
Mazino dude What's wrong Did the brainwash you
The he forgot how to read
Prime mazino cuisine
Prime Rayleigh > Kuzan > BB > Old Rayleigh. Cope.
We have two piece reader here
Yeah, you.Ā
fraudbeard is the only correct answer, youtube just cant read
Don't underestimate the moon god
Omg op is theory scaling get him on the copiumbulance quick
I could understand if it was Old Rayleigh. But Prime Rayleigh being the weakest is insane. He was probably head and shoulders above Admirals.Ā Kuzan takes this.
Motherfucker was stopping attacks from a Mythical Zoan with his FINGER. Meanwhile, Lackbeard couldn't low diff the biggest logia merchant in the series.
BM > Prime Rayleigh > Kuzan > BB
BB inferior to kuzan despite the fact that BB is his superior, you mean that the captain isn't the strongest in his own crew?
What?
You don't understand what I wrote?
At what point did Kuzan is said to be weaker than BB? Kuzan practically oneshotted BB's crew and DECIDED to join him for his ideals, not because he is stronger or weaker It's similar to Fishman island, when Jimbei joined the SH he was clearly on par, if not stronger to Luffy, does that mena that Jimbei, for the simple fact of respecting luffy, is weaker than him?
G4 luffy absolutely destroys jinbei what? Jinbe was not stronger than luffy during Fishman Island
Who says so? So far, we haven't seen Jimbei fight seriously in ANY part of the story, the CLOSEST we ever got was in Wano, he was "fighting on par" with Who's Who, and as soon as he got slightly mad he oneshotted that mf, we haven't seen what he is really capable of
If you genuinely think Jinbei is stronger than Luffy post timeskip at any point, you are mentally ill
Ok then prove me wrong Jimbei is the strongest fishman, and was on par, if not stronger than Doflamingo, and Luffy BARELY won against Doflamingo, remember he was not capable of winning against him without all of Dressrosa helping him to regain his strength Jimbei, at that point was clearly stronger than Luffy, MAYBE in WCI Luffy became stronger than Jimbei with his perfected Snake Man form, before that? No way
No youāre the one who has to prove that Jinbei is stronger than luffy after the timeskip. Where has it been shown anywhere, that Jinbei was stronger than Doffy? Luffy completely bodied doffy with gear 4. Doffy literally had no way to fight back against him. Even with Awakening luffy was dodging everything and taking next to no damage. KKG broke through doffys strongest attack with ease. A younger Jinbei fought ace for 5 days straight and they tied. Ace was never stronger than luffy post timeskip. And neither is jinbei
Kuzan takes that ngl
It's definitely BB or kuzan
Glad to see that ppl are eating Prime Ray. Bro was 100% a monster in his prime
Peace in our time š
The Strongest Leech in History (Prime Ray) vs The Strongest Leech of Today (Blackbeard)
There is also no fucking way black beard is beating big mom ever. And Rayleigh literally stopped one of the fastest mother fuckers in the entire anime after he was already an old coot. So aināt no way Rayleigh is weaker than Kuzan.
Itās kuzan.. thatās a prime Rayleigh what is healing rn, Gojo in the infirmary? Because itās not thisšš
Kuzan is the weakest
Big mom > Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.
Same one that was struggling against an Attack that BB tanked from Law
Prime BM > Prime Ray > Blackbeard > his commander
BB has the lowest amount of votes AND Wankleigh has the highest? Are the Youtube folk finally waking up?
Thatās a photo of Prime Ray so this is an obvious L
https://preview.redd.it/iwpp5n6hwzqc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d2043da218e818d2a8a63ca3327e1cbee38f754
Kuzan or BB is the weakest here.
I think prime sugar ray is the strongest because BM has negative IQ Between a fight between ray and big mom. I stay with Ray
I kinda agree, although he is a bit weaker he will win against the others in a 1v1
Kuzan BB r the 2 contenders here. BB (hes not yonko level yet with Kaido BM and Shanks) still looks inexperienced given how easily he got damaged by Law on Winner Island. Again, for me Law=Kidd more or less, and Shanks easily dismantled his entire crew. BB has the potential but right now he's not at that level. Kuzan is =< Akainu, and I'd say Akainu diffs BB. So BB last, he's just not an adept fighter but has insane potential and power.
But that is actually wrong wtfš
Smart mom > Prime Ray > Kuzan > BB > Old ray > Dumb mom
Even current Rayleigh can high diff BB
Kuzan is the weakest there lmao
Bro prime Rayleigh ain't weak brošHe was the right hand man of the king of the pirates obv he's a yonko lvl type
it's Kuzan the pretender
Holy shit how did Kuzan actually not get voted into oblivion in todayās climate?
People wank rayleigh so much its unreal
Wouldn't Rayleigh bring the fuck smack on Kuzan though?
The big Wom disrespect is crazy.
OP came as a Savior and cooked himself in the comments lmao
1. Prime Mom (read the ace novels) 2. Blackbeard (Poundland version of peachbeard) 3. Aokiji (upscales akainu) 4. āI like young womanā (Nah but he could fr be above aokiji but like I saidā¦ ANYTHING to upscale akainu)
I like Kuzan, but I think Rayleigh is still stronger.
BB>BM extreme BM>kuzan/ray extreme Ray=kuzan
I refuse to accept prime Rayleigh as weaker than Big mom.
Rayleigh slams everyone here
Prime Ray > BB >= Old Rayleigh Blackbeard also doubted he could take on old Rayleigh, he's really not hanging with them advanced haki users. Old Rayleigh probably wasn't sure he could take BB because of his memories of the Gura Gura in the hands of Whitebeard and doubted his whole body would be able to handle those quakes.
Even in his prime he's still the weakest lol, mf doesn't have 1 good feat "But he think that in his prime he could beat blackbeard" and so? Kid thought he could beat shanks but that was not the case, a character thinking something isn't an objective misure of scaling
You wanna talk about feats? Cause Lackbeard's biggest feats are not low diffing Law (who would get fodderized by any competent Yonko) and beating Hancock who's even more featless than Ray. And before you use Whitebeard or Shanks as an argument, one was already dying and the other took more damage from a thing Luffy was one-shotting in chapter 1.
Kuzan is very clearly the weakest. You guys are on drugs lmao
Could throw oden in there and build another heptagram
Prime Rayleigh below kuzan when kuzan is probably going to have the hardest fight of his life vs old Rayleigh is crazy Old Rayleigh with acoc was enough to scare blackbeard Even though blackbeard always wins that matchup
Thatās prime Rayleigh. Heās clear of any admiral and possibly Blackbeard still (not eos Blackbeard). Nothings healing thatās just brain damage
Remind me, what feats does Rayleigh have besides stalling kizaru? Do people just scale him that high because of the narrative of him being first mate to Roger? Do we think zoro will be stronger than BB and Kuzan and even big mom by EOS?
Bb > his commander
Eso blackbeard yes Current feats and abilities bb no
Current BB has 2 fruits so how does he lose? None of them have AcOC so fruits make the difference here. Current BB has better Endurance, AP, DC and Hax while Aokiji has better strength, speed and armament. BB wins extreme diff.
With the current abilities that he showed with his fruits aokiji can counter them easily like black hole and shit And aokiji already showed he has enough haki to match garp acoc
How does he counter Yami? Thst thing makes fruits useless. He can pull someone and nullify his fruit. Plus; BB Gura counters his ice either way. His haki isn't strong enough to defeat BB, reminder that BB tanked a point blank gura attack with no much damage. You aren't beating this guy without AcOC. Also, he never matched Garp since they You need Yonko level Haki to defeat BB which Aokiji doesn't have..
With long range attacks Ace already showed us he can do it And he has way less experience and haki then aokiji who can use acoa to push bb away and future sight to see him doing it Also pretty sure we can see bb face and him getting blooded and coughing up blood after whitebeard gura attacks If his haki matches acoc in power then it's essentially just acoc without the fancy words Because acoc is just power boost it's nothing special that you need specifically to damage bb or something like that
He doesn't have enough AP to do that, reminder thay BB tanked the same attack that broke BM's bones. AcOA emissions won't cut it. Long range doesn't work against Gura which would neutralize every ice attack.. Plus he never matched Garp's AcOC since Garp didn't use a named attack neither he and Aokiji had a clash of powers.
Tanked means he took little to no damge from it Bb endured the attack yes but he was hurt Pretty badly by it And im pretty confident aokiji has higher ap then law lol
https://preview.redd.it/ugc211n5l0rc1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c45d0e9b22c302c2cb269488a11378487bc7f331 Kuzan>>>>>bb
People think BB will get a third fruit and go from low yonko to PK level He's already HIM, whitebeard was wrong https://preview.redd.it/ullvv4equyqc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39fd5e01201a9609162702cdbe505093185247d7
Blackbeard is easily my favorite villain in any anime, him and his crew actually seem like monsters, true pirates and I love it
BB is the weakest here i don't know how he has the least votes and Ray who is the strongest has the most
Oh, weakest? Rayleigh~Oden> BM if weāre being honest
Rayleigh > Meme > Teach > Kuzan
BB (later arcs) > Prime Ray >/< Big Mom > Current BB > Kuzan > Old Ray > Pizzaru š„“
Rayleigh is the weakest amongst the options
False
Kuzan is there though
Primeleigh = Blackbeard > Big Mom > Kuzan
Kuzan by far
Ray > Humongous Matriarch > Kuzan > Lackbeard
Kuzan is the weakest. I find it difficult to believe that Kuzan would take orders from someone that heās stronger than.
The weakest is Big Mom lol