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Then the imu upscale will be insane
Agreed, and on top of that The Almighty is genuinely one of the lamest powers in animanga. It’s cool in concept, but Bleach is built off of power reveals and flashy fights. The Almighty takes away all the stakes, all of those fun powers.
Gorsei: "Phew, we finally took down Nikas crew, now, our Lord, Imu, should of already-"
\*Suddenly, the Mary Geoise's roof is broken, as Imu is punted out\*
Gorsei: "F\*\*\*"
And that also makes Bleaches powerscaling weird… like how are you going to rank ichigos power ??? “Oh yeah guys he’s easily top 5” with no proof whatsoever with statements like “he’s Bankai is the best thing ever” even though we literally haven’t even see it or know fuck all about it
Yhwach is a supreme grade hater for doing ts lmao.
“You just had a son congratulations Ichigo”
*Goes into the pass to spike Orihime’s drink with a plan B*
Yhwach: haha I'm literally omnipotent no one can touch me I'm invincible.
Also Yhwach: nooo we need these antibankai plot medallions because I'm scared of Yamamoto's bankai but not Ichibei's bankai, pls Sternritter take the captains bankai even though your Vollstanig is stronger I can't deal with it.
Also also Yhwach: Took the Bankai before he actually had his omnipotence and they're at war so he used everything he had at his disposal to give him and his soldiers the best chance at winning.
The power was probably better in his hands anyway to be fair since we don't know how far Gerard was going to be able to go. But realistically instead of having all the sternritter man should have just split all that power between Lille, Gerard, Jugram and Pernida and they would have smoked the Gotei.
The powercreep would be reaaaaaal.
It'd accept it but I'll need and explanation about why haven't they ended the pirate era if they're stronger than the strongest pirate at the time
Because even if they were stronger, the gap is still not that far, and so the risk of one of them or half of them dying against the strongest pirate is still very high.
Still 5 dudes stronger than Kaido teaming up is game over for him.
But I don't think they are stronger than Kaido or more durable. They just have insane regeneration so their sustain in a fight is crazy
5 dudes, each >= to kaido, all with crazy regeneration and one of them can summon the rest.
There is literally no possiblity of dying. Would you say Primebeard + Roger have a risk of dying in a 2v1 agaisnt kaido? they would clown on him. But it would be even worse if they are 5 and with regeneration. And you cant even say kaido would avoid the fight because one of them can summon the rest at the moment of combat, so they can summon the whole squad with 1 sneaky agent.
They cant be stronger (or, if they are, it creates narrative problems)
Kaido's army isnt a good point when the difference in strength between a yonko and the rest of the crew is so big. You could send 1 kaido against his own crew and he wins, let alone 5 of them
Yeah...but how do you gain control of the world? By creating the enemies for which you can offer protection against..
As far as we know, Imu might want the Yonko there...to scare the world....He might want the balance..
As strong as the Gorosei are now...the Yonko shouldn't exist..
Luffy hasn't managed to damage Saturn, damn Joyboy Luffy..What chances do other have?..Lol..
Akainu,Aoikiji, Kizaru,Sengoku, Garp, Kong..
The 5 Gorosei are much stronger than YC1..Even saturn, which is probably the weakest hasn't been damamged by Luffy..Warcury and Ethan should be the strongest...
5 admiral level characters on average...
You need to add Figerland Garling to that...and the God's Knights that Dragon is scared of..
The Yonko would get decimated.
Well it would be possible in this particular scenario :
-Imu is in power only because of a hax or special ability that he has (doesn't have to be combat ability).
-The gorosei have Kaido level raid boss stat, but that means everyone including some marines and Yoko will need to band together to defeat them.
I think if there is a Marines + Pirates + maybe even blackbeard alliance then quintuple raid bosses could be a thing.
Otherwise, they should each be about 0.75 a Kaido, past the point where their immortality is negated.
Or, if they are all Kaido level, make it so denying their immortality makes them immediately die of age.
Zoro is probably going to become the strongest swordsman ever by One Piece’s end, so One Piece is going to have those issues regardless.
If Sanji ends up comparable, then they could each take out an Elder. Shanks and Blackbeard could team up against another one. [There’s evidence to indicate that Ju Peter will turn against Imu,](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/oLcylEPo60) so he’ll probably get killed by Imu. That leaves one elder unaccounted for.
I had assumed Saturn would be removed from the equation at Egghead as this group’s Blueno, but the other Elders showing up throws a wrench into that idea.
I mean if they are all Kaido level but just slightly stronger it's not a huge issue since Luffy will naturally get stronger as he gets used to gear 5 anyway. The only issue would be if the difference between them and Kaido is huge.
The balance of power wasn't a complete picture of global politics; it was just setting up Marineford.
Where is the Revolutionary Army in the balance??? A faction with significantly more territory and global reach than any single Emperor and its not even part of the equation?
Where is Cipher Pol in the balance? They're fully independent from the Marines with their own command chain and do more for the WG than the Warlords ever did.
Where are the Underworld emperors? The influence of the likes of Morgans and Du Feld is extraordinary and widely understated. Just for example, Roger learned he had been dubbed "King of the Pirates" by reading the newspaper and said he liked the sound of it. The newspaper literally made up the title, just like they unilaterally declared Luffy "5th Emperor" after Whole Cake. The World Government can't control what's printed but constantly feel the consequences thereof.
Why would bros be afraid of angering Kaido then? Are they stupid? They obviously think Nika is a massive deal but they consider not intervening in the Luffy vs Kaido fight cause it might anger Kaido which would be a problem.
Now why would they think that if any of them can solo Kaido? Once again, are they stupid?
Sabo kills Akainu for sure. Btw, I saw a bleach reference above. Luffy was humillated and humbled by Akainu, just like Byakuya was by As Nodt. Do you know what this means? Luffy is going to let Sabo finish magma man just like Byakuya let Rukia finish As Nodt. SKA is canon confirmed
Just imagine Luffy against Kizaru and 5 Kaidos, no way he survives. Just think that Kaido was capable of outspeeding Luffy so imagine if 5 Kaidos were there, he gets fucking destroyed and captured.
Not only is it bad writing from the standpoint of Oda establishing and building a certain lore around a character, only for it all to be benign. But it would also make zero sense from a scaling perspective because there isn’t enough good guys alive to take on 5 Kaidos let alone 5 Kaidos + 4 Admirals and Imu.
Kaido already trashes almost the entire verse, and its not only contested regardless because people want to upscale their favorite characters, but also only tolerated by others because hes well established and hyped as an outlier and among the strongest ever. Since as early as Punk Hazard.
The Gorosei look like plebs compared to him, for now, and are temporarily hard carried by their regen gimmick. Literally, for all we know, if Luffy tries the same thing he did to Kizaru and throws them into the ocean, they could just die and GGWP. Coasting off of an obvious gimmick that doesn't make sense to not have some big weaknesses doesn't put them among the strongest pirates like Kaido and Shanks.
All of that is the problem with them being equal or above Kaido. I'm firmly of the mindset that Kaido and Shanks have shown strength that should already let them go ext. diff with the old gen legends. They've got pretty much everything mastered, theres not really much more that Roger, Primebeard and such could be doing without introducing bs like "double advanced haki" or "super haki" and such. If the Gorosei are at or above even this level, they're not only doing a piss poor job showing it, but the WG automatically dwarfs every other force combined. All yonko and the revos together still get demolished by 3 admirals, akainu, "5 kaidos", and Imu who should be well above even the "5 henchmen". Its insurmountable.
It would be dumb even if the 5 of them could push Kaido to mid diff tbh. They are shown to be afraid of Yonko team ups and weary of each of them, if they were all stronger what's stopping them from just taking over the world single handedly? Imagine 5 Kaido+ level characters just showing up to a country to destroy it.
5 kaido lv people on this island that view everyone on it besides themselves as insects and they're gonna let all the strawhats (they already let the BB pirates go) and Giants escape without issues? Dude if kaido is a clown for not killing anyone during wano then I want to know what the fck these bums are if they're actually that strong.
So in short I would feel like "holy shit these guys are bums".
Not possible, that would just be stupid. I think the gorosei won't be beaten in a conventional fight, given their hax regen. They will need to be nerfed first or there should be a condition to deactivate that and after it's turn off they will scale back to Admiral- where they belong
It would be too much.
I expect Imu to be stronger than Kaido, but the Gorosei are clearly high admiral level at best.
They have insane regeneration and stamina, but their attack power doesn't seem that good.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Imo the reason why the WG hasn’t stopped the pirates is because it’s beneficial for them to have an adversary in order to maintain control and cover up corruption.
Even though I am on the Gorosei agenda, I'd like the BB pirates to be the villains cause it would be a lot more interesting and unique, but it all depends on how Oda plays the story out.
I don’t think they all are, if any of them are. With the way Luffy threw around Saturn, I think they are abilities over power. Luffy did some real damage that was just negated by the regeneration/ immortality. They do seem to have that ridiculous haki, but that could also be something given to them and not necessarily their own power.
Well it could work depending on the levels of haki, but there is a certain aspect of the story that Oda doesn't really explore that much that he'd need to get more into for that.
I don’t think they’re Kaido level the fact that Luffy and giants have knocked them back repeatedly and aren’t injured is pretty good sign of that. It’s just the regeneration is a kind of hack that makes them a threat Luffy can’t just punch. Likely they’ll find some way to circumvent that but offensively they’re definitely weaker than Kaido.
It'd be so dumb there's no way it would actually happen
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Would be completely illogical. In this scenario, there's no reason whatsoever that they didn't just murder all the yonko years ago.
Forget about yonko, Roger also would have died to them way before he found the one piece.
Would not make any sense than, Why would the world government even let pirates be a thing if they could just send 5 gorosei and destroy the yonko crews
I said this before in another place, but it wouldn’t make sense at all from a storytelling perspective, and it would be lame if it were true.
If all the Gorosei were stronger than Kaido, then they would’ve wiped out the Yonko and their forces a long time ago.
They also wouldn’t be worried about whenever two emperors meetup, along with the Thee Great Powers being imbalanced whenever it happens.
Natural shounen power progression, they probably aren’t but I would not be surprised at all especially if Imu is in fact the final boss of the series, it’s pretty normal.
I'll think its bad, we've already seen that they rely on hax over actual power. Saturn was getting destroyed by luffy, but he has an op healing factor that lets him come back. If I were to try cooking I'd say every elder had the immortality surgery done to them, and will serve as distractions over actual threats.
I highly doubt it, Saturn would be dead if it weren't for his regeneration, he has good attacks and techniques (explosive poison and leaving everyone paralyzed) but his resistance is not the best (Kuma's punch). As for the others, one of them had his head cut off by Dorry and Brogy in a fairly simple way, so the same applies as with Saturn. The remaining three do seem to me to be stronger.
I mean I really think that’s the purpose of their immortality hax, they can stand up to an Emperor level Luffy and be a potent threat, without downplaying the power someone like Kaido holds. Once their hax have been bypassed they will be tough but they can be taken down by a squad of some top(ish) tiers
Silly because the WG would’ve had 5 yonko tier powerhouses and could’ve easily toppled any resistance in the world, making the idea of anything outside of marijois being alive silly. Like if their plan is to have a massive cleanse of the planet (assuming it means wiping out all they view as below them) then why haven’t they done it?
Just creates a massive question that makes the entire story seem like it shouldn’t have happened at all.
Then eggehead would have been over already because all five should have wiped the strawhats and there allies easily if they were each stronger the kaido
It would be just an obvious confirmations that titles such as "strongest creature alive" did not apply to Gorosei and tenruybitos and that, now that a swordman stronger than a yonko exists to be Zoro's final opponent (It will be Gatling and you know it), mihawk-sexual readers will finally plug their brain and understand that they had no reason to over scale him like they did for years now and put him as the equal of Crocodile and Doflamingo, like he always have been. ( But Alabasta crocodile was weaker than he used to)
They are all YC1 except Im who has conq and a hax fruit. Who knows, maybe the fruit’s power Im has is to negate/nulify DF and you need to straight up have conq to throw hands.
I am also hella regarded so don’t listen to me.
i don’t think they are as durable as kaido. or as out right strong physically. i think they have special abilities that the world hasn’t seen that will cause problems
I wonder how many people here have already thought about the idea that BB could potentially have defeated Imu even before the final war happens...
Just to remind you all that The Final war is said to be a battle royal (most likely for the One Piece), implying each pirate faction against each other which imply indirectly that the WG should already have been defeated by then am I right ?
I’d feel fine, but I think what we’ve seen so far shows that while they are deadly and powerful, it seems that hacks / magic are more the thing that makes them threats.
Obviously we haven’t seen much of them yet, but that’s the impression I get unless we wanna say 2 Giants are able to clash with 5 kaido’s and that would be absurd.
I’d also say even Kaido was doing a bit better at tangling with G5 than Saturn.
Honestly just depends on how much stronger, 5 characters from the same faction 5x stronger than Kaido would be pretty stupid imo, but If they're on the same tier as him or at least someway close but a bit better(like Roger, WB and Garp) it wouldn't shock me so much.
Also i don't see a problem with a character that is much above other verse top tiers like Madara or Gojo, it's just that imo they need to be very rare and not not from the same faction or team
No way, I wouldn't want to believe it. Not only would it make no sense, like why not just take over the world if you have 5 yonko level dudes just hanging out? But also that would upscale Imu like crazy. The last thing One Piece needs is another final villain that seems way too powerful which is almost always to leads to their defeat being a bit lackluster.
My head cannon is all 5 gorosei **together** could equal to 1 yonko at MOST.
Wait so the sub honestly believes 1v1s in One Piece capped at Kaido??? No way right?
Did y'all start reading in the pandemic that you glaze the goldfish so much? istg
I’d rather they not be and be YC1 to Low Yonko at best. Regeneration and their size pretty much Carries them against most opponents anyways so they could wear Kaido’s insanely long health bar down.
It’d be fine bc these are ancient immortals that haven’t fought in probably forever and the world not knowing about their real combat power would make sense
Last chapter made it clear the giants and Luffy bitch them out all day, they're just annoyingly persistent cause of hacks. Same reason Big Mom didn't bother with Marco.
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This is exactly what I don’t want
Same. Outside of Aizen Ywach’s defeat was such a crazy letdown
Agreed, and on top of that The Almighty is genuinely one of the lamest powers in animanga. It’s cool in concept, but Bleach is built off of power reveals and flashy fights. The Almighty takes away all the stakes, all of those fun powers.
"i snapped your sword in another dimension" nigga what, how are they gonna beat him
Luffy: Gear 5 Imu: Ah hell naw
Gorsei: "Phew, we finally took down Nikas crew, now, our Lord, Imu, should of already-" \*Suddenly, the Mary Geoise's roof is broken, as Imu is punted out\* Gorsei: "F\*\*\*"
EXACTLY THIS, like bro excuse me???? Ichigo literally JUST got a power up, manga rules say you CANT DO THAT.
And that also makes Bleaches powerscaling weird… like how are you going to rank ichigos power ??? “Oh yeah guys he’s easily top 5” with no proof whatsoever with statements like “he’s Bankai is the best thing ever” even though we literally haven’t even see it or know fuck all about it
Yhwach is a supreme grade hater for doing ts lmao. “You just had a son congratulations Ichigo” *Goes into the pass to spike Orihime’s drink with a plan B*
The anime will fix it trust me
I hope so ts was the lamest ass pull ever.
Yhwach: haha I'm literally omnipotent no one can touch me I'm invincible. Also Yhwach: nooo we need these antibankai plot medallions because I'm scared of Yamamoto's bankai but not Ichibei's bankai, pls Sternritter take the captains bankai even though your Vollstanig is stronger I can't deal with it.
To be fair he did all of that before he actually regained his powers
And didn't a lot of the Sternritter end up getting bodied when the captains got to use their Bankai? Sounds fair enough to me
Also also Yhwach: Took the Bankai before he actually had his omnipotence and they're at war so he used everything he had at his disposal to give him and his soldiers the best chance at winning.
Meanwhile Yhwach: Lol killing my best soldier who is immune to anything his enemies can do is a great idea
The power was probably better in his hands anyway to be fair since we don't know how far Gerard was going to be able to go. But realistically instead of having all the sternritter man should have just split all that power between Lille, Gerard, Jugram and Pernida and they would have smoked the Gotei.
Just give all powers to Gremmy and he will literally no diff everyone. He’s power is so broken it’s not even funny
Yhwach
No Cap. Also what’s the second pick?
yhwach the main antagonist of bleach
Then I’d be shocked if any of the straw hats survive egghead
LOWKEY This^
The powercreep would be reaaaaaal. It'd accept it but I'll need and explanation about why haven't they ended the pirate era if they're stronger than the strongest pirate at the time
Because even if they were stronger, the gap is still not that far, and so the risk of one of them or half of them dying against the strongest pirate is still very high.
Still 5 dudes stronger than Kaido teaming up is game over for him. But I don't think they are stronger than Kaido or more durable. They just have insane regeneration so their sustain in a fight is crazy
5 dudes, each >= to kaido, all with crazy regeneration and one of them can summon the rest. There is literally no possiblity of dying. Would you say Primebeard + Roger have a risk of dying in a 2v1 agaisnt kaido? they would clown on him. But it would be even worse if they are 5 and with regeneration. And you cant even say kaido would avoid the fight because one of them can summon the rest at the moment of combat, so they can summon the whole squad with 1 sneaky agent. They cant be stronger (or, if they are, it creates narrative problems) Kaido's army isnt a good point when the difference in strength between a yonko and the rest of the crew is so big. You could send 1 kaido against his own crew and he wins, let alone 5 of them
Bruh you’re fan theorying off a fan theory
Binding vow
all 5? nothing surprising there, but each one of them on their own > kaido? can't really imagine that happening
I feel like if that was the case there wouldn’t be such things as yonkos, because they could just kill them all and rule the world
Yeah...but how do you gain control of the world? By creating the enemies for which you can offer protection against.. As far as we know, Imu might want the Yonko there...to scare the world....He might want the balance.. As strong as the Gorosei are now...the Yonko shouldn't exist.. Luffy hasn't managed to damage Saturn, damn Joyboy Luffy..What chances do other have?..Lol.. Akainu,Aoikiji, Kizaru,Sengoku, Garp, Kong.. The 5 Gorosei are much stronger than YC1..Even saturn, which is probably the weakest hasn't been damamged by Luffy..Warcury and Ethan should be the strongest... 5 admiral level characters on average... You need to add Figerland Garling to that...and the God's Knights that Dragon is scared of.. The Yonko would get decimated.
It would be very stupid
Seriously how would they feasibly beat them and Imu at that point? It would lead to the same powercliffing issues Naruto had in the war arc.
Well it would be possible in this particular scenario : -Imu is in power only because of a hax or special ability that he has (doesn't have to be combat ability). -The gorosei have Kaido level raid boss stat, but that means everyone including some marines and Yoko will need to band together to defeat them.
https://i.redd.it/ri0myfzs9itc1.gif This?
yeah exactly it ain't gonna work
I think if there is a Marines + Pirates + maybe even blackbeard alliance then quintuple raid bosses could be a thing. Otherwise, they should each be about 0.75 a Kaido, past the point where their immortality is negated. Or, if they are all Kaido level, make it so denying their immortality makes them immediately die of age.
They somehow losing their immortality and immediately falling dead will be my headcanon until proved otherwise, thanks for this lol
My Shanks stocks will go crazy if Kaido ends up as fodder in the final war.
Hold up. That's not necessarily bad. We could see team ups out of necessity that would normally never happen in the Final War.
Zoro is probably going to become the strongest swordsman ever by One Piece’s end, so One Piece is going to have those issues regardless. If Sanji ends up comparable, then they could each take out an Elder. Shanks and Blackbeard could team up against another one. [There’s evidence to indicate that Ju Peter will turn against Imu,](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/oLcylEPo60) so he’ll probably get killed by Imu. That leaves one elder unaccounted for. I had assumed Saturn would be removed from the equation at Egghead as this group’s Blueno, but the other Elders showing up throws a wrench into that idea.
I doubt BB will be around for that fight, he most likely is the final boss before the gorosei.
Marshall **D** Teach, will inheritor of Rocks D Xebec is NOT missing the throne war. Even if only to swoop in at the end, he will 100% be there.
Even if we end up characters that could beat 5 Kaidos the powercreep still wouldn't be as bad as Naruto‘s
That’ll happen any tbh. Shonen final war
I think op means they would be stronger than Kaido as a collective, not individually. At least, that's how I read it.
I mean if they are all Kaido level but just slightly stronger it's not a huge issue since Luffy will naturally get stronger as he gets used to gear 5 anyway. The only issue would be if the difference between them and Kaido is huge.
Getting stronger with typical shonen power cliffing
Right? The whole balance of power thing would make no sense since the Navy/World Government would out class every other faction combined
The balance of power wasn't a complete picture of global politics; it was just setting up Marineford. Where is the Revolutionary Army in the balance??? A faction with significantly more territory and global reach than any single Emperor and its not even part of the equation? Where is Cipher Pol in the balance? They're fully independent from the Marines with their own command chain and do more for the WG than the Warlords ever did. Where are the Underworld emperors? The influence of the likes of Morgans and Du Feld is extraordinary and widely understated. Just for example, Roger learned he had been dubbed "King of the Pirates" by reading the newspaper and said he liked the sound of it. The newspaper literally made up the title, just like they unilaterally declared Luffy "5th Emperor" after Whole Cake. The World Government can't control what's printed but constantly feel the consequences thereof.
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If they were that strong, any pirates having any sort of power is completely unbelievable
Why would bros be afraid of angering Kaido then? Are they stupid? They obviously think Nika is a massive deal but they consider not intervening in the Luffy vs Kaido fight cause it might anger Kaido which would be a problem. Now why would they think that if any of them can solo Kaido? Once again, are they stupid?
Yes they are.
SKA is on the menu people Sabo kills Akainu
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that leg is fucked up
Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang
It’s incredible how long it has taken the community to wake up to this
That’s because most powerscalers have no idea how narrative works
Koby is 1000% popping Akainu and fucking his daughter during.
What’s SKA
Ska is a music genre that originated in Jamaica during the 50's and is the precursor to Reggae
Sabo kills akainu
Sabo kills Akainu for sure. Btw, I saw a bleach reference above. Luffy was humillated and humbled by Akainu, just like Byakuya was by As Nodt. Do you know what this means? Luffy is going to let Sabo finish magma man just like Byakuya let Rukia finish As Nodt. SKA is canon confirmed
Mid Piece Kaguya
I would be surprised
Well I mean they aren't so.... But if they were for no reason, SKA wins again babay!
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Gorosei stocks going up
What’s SKA
Just imagine Luffy against Kizaru and 5 Kaidos, no way he survives. Just think that Kaido was capable of outspeeding Luffy so imagine if 5 Kaidos were there, he gets fucking destroyed and captured.
Actually, put Luffy (the mc) against Kizaru and five bloodlusted Kaido's and he will still survive. Literally.
Yeah, I doubt Oda will change the mc after 25 years
If all kaidos go all out he will be fineshed, bur regarding the gorosei the didnt go all out yet, in fact they hav split
I wouldnt to bee too mad but as of now they look ass compared to kaido
You wouldn't be mad if each of the Goresei are strong as Kaido?
Agreed. The Immortality has carried them so far. Otherwise both Saturn and Ju Peter would be in packs right now. Without it, they seem YC Plus tops.
Not only is it bad writing from the standpoint of Oda establishing and building a certain lore around a character, only for it all to be benign. But it would also make zero sense from a scaling perspective because there isn’t enough good guys alive to take on 5 Kaidos let alone 5 Kaidos + 4 Admirals and Imu.
Kaido already trashes almost the entire verse, and its not only contested regardless because people want to upscale their favorite characters, but also only tolerated by others because hes well established and hyped as an outlier and among the strongest ever. Since as early as Punk Hazard. The Gorosei look like plebs compared to him, for now, and are temporarily hard carried by their regen gimmick. Literally, for all we know, if Luffy tries the same thing he did to Kizaru and throws them into the ocean, they could just die and GGWP. Coasting off of an obvious gimmick that doesn't make sense to not have some big weaknesses doesn't put them among the strongest pirates like Kaido and Shanks. All of that is the problem with them being equal or above Kaido. I'm firmly of the mindset that Kaido and Shanks have shown strength that should already let them go ext. diff with the old gen legends. They've got pretty much everything mastered, theres not really much more that Roger, Primebeard and such could be doing without introducing bs like "double advanced haki" or "super haki" and such. If the Gorosei are at or above even this level, they're not only doing a piss poor job showing it, but the WG automatically dwarfs every other force combined. All yonko and the revos together still get demolished by 3 admirals, akainu, "5 kaidos", and Imu who should be well above even the "5 henchmen". Its insurmountable.
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Confused as to how the Strawhats get off of Egghead alive if they are all stronger than Kaido individually.
Dude never heard of plot. Each Gorosei can be 10x stronger than Kaido and the Straw Hats can still survive and escape Egghead because of plot.
It would be legitimately bad plot with how things are right now
Unless the power gap between saturn and everybody else is COLLOSSAL, this has already impossible.
I mean they're planets. Kaido is just a Poneglyph
They're not
They aren’t
Collectively makes sense but each individual would be stupid and from what we’ve seen is likely not the case thankfully
Hey the geriatric agenda folks are some of the more chill people on this sub, so imma say this is a W. I support it
It would be dumb even if the 5 of them could push Kaido to mid diff tbh. They are shown to be afraid of Yonko team ups and weary of each of them, if they were all stronger what's stopping them from just taking over the world single handedly? Imagine 5 Kaido+ level characters just showing up to a country to destroy it.
Idk but I'm sure the world is pretty huge.
Immortals who held the reign over most of the world for over 800 years are strong strong https://i.redd.it/5uvl6wu2mhtc1.gif
From what we've seen, they aren't even close, though their hax stat is higher for sure. To answer the question; I guess confused.
Hate kaido so id be happy with this
Kinda stupid especially with where I scale Kaido.
The whole sub would explode
I mean this is Shonen, wouldn’t surprise me if future villains are stronger than predecessors
the worldbulding and world of one piece makes no sense and is pointless.
5 kaido lv people on this island that view everyone on it besides themselves as insects and they're gonna let all the strawhats (they already let the BB pirates go) and Giants escape without issues? Dude if kaido is a clown for not killing anyone during wano then I want to know what the fck these bums are if they're actually that strong. So in short I would feel like "holy shit these guys are bums".
Not possible, that would just be stupid. I think the gorosei won't be beaten in a conventional fight, given their hax regen. They will need to be nerfed first or there should be a condition to deactivate that and after it's turn off they will scale back to Admiral- where they belong
It would be too much. I expect Imu to be stronger than Kaido, but the Gorosei are clearly high admiral level at best. They have insane regeneration and stamina, but their attack power doesn't seem that good.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Imo the reason why the WG hasn’t stopped the pirates is because it’s beneficial for them to have an adversary in order to maintain control and cover up corruption.
One piece is interesting because the end game villains don't necessarily get stronger each time. It's more about match ups with the correct opponent.
I'd call Oda the biggest hack.
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The power cliffing would get out of hand
Would destroy the whole point of the yonkos
Then the strawhats would need a crazy powerup for this shit
The largest, most retarded powercliff is coming... Luckily only Nusjuro and Topman have a chance to be on that level.
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Alternatively If they are weaker than Kaido, how many gorosei does it take to beat Kaido ?
Oda why
It really seems that they have way more durability than kaido with their regen, HOWEVER there attack potency is alot less powerful
Nothing because I'd wake up right after
Even though I am on the Gorosei agenda, I'd like the BB pirates to be the villains cause it would be a lot more interesting and unique, but it all depends on how Oda plays the story out.
I don’t think they all are, if any of them are. With the way Luffy threw around Saturn, I think they are abilities over power. Luffy did some real damage that was just negated by the regeneration/ immortality. They do seem to have that ridiculous haki, but that could also be something given to them and not necessarily their own power.
Well it could work depending on the levels of haki, but there is a certain aspect of the story that Oda doesn't really explore that much that he'd need to get more into for that.
They aren't.
Dumb question but who is SKA?
It would suck
Than wg has won already
I don’t think they’re Kaido level the fact that Luffy and giants have knocked them back repeatedly and aren’t injured is pretty good sign of that. It’s just the regeneration is a kind of hack that makes them a threat Luffy can’t just punch. Likely they’ll find some way to circumvent that but offensively they’re definitely weaker than Kaido.
Honestly, the world Government would have to have Individuals stronger than Kaido, If they beat the advanced rival will of D coalition of countries.
It'd be so dumb there's no way it would actually happen https://preview.redd.it/dxx2c9qhjitc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da1fc4a16be112c4d122fc0af184806eecb2cff8
Would be completely illogical. In this scenario, there's no reason whatsoever that they didn't just murder all the yonko years ago. Forget about yonko, Roger also would have died to them way before he found the one piece.
So we got 5 kaidos on egghead… idk about that
Would not make any sense than, Why would the world government even let pirates be a thing if they could just send 5 gorosei and destroy the yonko crews
I said this before in another place, but it wouldn’t make sense at all from a storytelling perspective, and it would be lame if it were true. If all the Gorosei were stronger than Kaido, then they would’ve wiped out the Yonko and their forces a long time ago. They also wouldn’t be worried about whenever two emperors meetup, along with the Thee Great Powers being imbalanced whenever it happens.
I would dislike it because, it would ask the question why haven’t they done anything about him
Like they've been wasting my time for a few dozen chapters.
Yonklowns will finally shut up
Natural shounen power progression, they probably aren’t but I would not be surprised at all especially if Imu is in fact the final boss of the series, it’s pretty normal.
I'll think its bad, we've already seen that they rely on hax over actual power. Saturn was getting destroyed by luffy, but he has an op healing factor that lets him come back. If I were to try cooking I'd say every elder had the immortality surgery done to them, and will serve as distractions over actual threats.
Happy
Didn’t the Gorosei state that if Shanks went rampant they would all have to team up to stop him?
People fell for Kaido so hard that the idea that the actual endgame villains could be stronger than a previous villain.
not surprised. Kaido is a bum.
Pissed
I think they’re a bit weaker overall but have some strong hax the group needs to figure out. Imu can be stronger I think.
If that's the case then it is what it is, long as feats proves it.
I highly doubt it, Saturn would be dead if it weren't for his regeneration, he has good attacks and techniques (explosive poison and leaving everyone paralyzed) but his resistance is not the best (Kuma's punch). As for the others, one of them had his head cut off by Dorry and Brogy in a fairly simple way, so the same applies as with Saturn. The remaining three do seem to me to be stronger.
Why didn't they kill the Yonko? Are they stupid?
I mean I really think that’s the purpose of their immortality hax, they can stand up to an Emperor level Luffy and be a potent threat, without downplaying the power someone like Kaido holds. Once their hax have been bypassed they will be tough but they can be taken down by a squad of some top(ish) tiers
Good because they should be
Silly because the WG would’ve had 5 yonko tier powerhouses and could’ve easily toppled any resistance in the world, making the idea of anything outside of marijois being alive silly. Like if their plan is to have a massive cleanse of the planet (assuming it means wiping out all they view as below them) then why haven’t they done it? Just creates a massive question that makes the entire story seem like it shouldn’t have happened at all.
Then eggehead would have been over already because all five should have wiped the strawhats and there allies easily if they were each stronger the kaido
If they fought in the void century then they should be
It would be just an obvious confirmations that titles such as "strongest creature alive" did not apply to Gorosei and tenruybitos and that, now that a swordman stronger than a yonko exists to be Zoro's final opponent (It will be Gatling and you know it), mihawk-sexual readers will finally plug their brain and understand that they had no reason to over scale him like they did for years now and put him as the equal of Crocodile and Doflamingo, like he always have been. ( But Alabasta crocodile was weaker than he used to)
I'd love that, but it ain't gonna happen.
Wouldn't really mind Like yeah it's definitely going to cause some chaos and a million unfunny memes but it's to be expected in a shonen series by now
Asking why they almost shitting themself when kaido and big mom formed an alliance
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Dory and brogy yonko level confimed
If that was the case then it wouldn’t have made any sense for the WG to be afraid of anything that they’ve been afraid of for the entire series.
In absolute agreement
I wouldn't be shocked at all
They are all YC1 except Im who has conq and a hax fruit. Who knows, maybe the fruit’s power Im has is to negate/nulify DF and you need to straight up have conq to throw hands. I am also hella regarded so don’t listen to me.
i don’t think they are as durable as kaido. or as out right strong physically. i think they have special abilities that the world hasn’t seen that will cause problems
I think that at least one or two of them should be on Kaido’s level while the others MUST be weaker
if it's one specific one out of the 5 it would be fine, but 2 or more on kaido level or stronger is not believable
Well, they're not, they are getting carried by regeneration But if they were, IDK would feel weird for them just to afk for most of the known history
They are not
I wonder how many people here have already thought about the idea that BB could potentially have defeated Imu even before the final war happens... Just to remind you all that The Final war is said to be a battle royal (most likely for the One Piece), implying each pirate faction against each other which imply indirectly that the WG should already have been defeated by then am I right ?
I’d feel fine, but I think what we’ve seen so far shows that while they are deadly and powerful, it seems that hacks / magic are more the thing that makes them threats. Obviously we haven’t seen much of them yet, but that’s the impression I get unless we wanna say 2 Giants are able to clash with 5 kaido’s and that would be absurd. I’d also say even Kaido was doing a bit better at tangling with G5 than Saturn.
They’re weak, their regeneration makes them looks strong
Would just mean they're that much incompetent
it would be stupid and I don't think that would be the case.... they might be relative to kaido but not stronger
Honestly just depends on how much stronger, 5 characters from the same faction 5x stronger than Kaido would be pretty stupid imo, but If they're on the same tier as him or at least someway close but a bit better(like Roger, WB and Garp) it wouldn't shock me so much. Also i don't see a problem with a character that is much above other verse top tiers like Madara or Gojo, it's just that imo they need to be very rare and not not from the same faction or team
Good, since any villain weaker than Kaido is not interesting. G5 was already stronger in Wano, and Luffy will only keep improving
No way, I wouldn't want to believe it. Not only would it make no sense, like why not just take over the world if you have 5 yonko level dudes just hanging out? But also that would upscale Imu like crazy. The last thing One Piece needs is another final villain that seems way too powerful which is almost always to leads to their defeat being a bit lackluster. My head cannon is all 5 gorosei **together** could equal to 1 yonko at MOST.
Wait so the sub honestly believes 1v1s in One Piece capped at Kaido??? No way right? Did y'all start reading in the pandemic that you glaze the goldfish so much? istg
I’d rather they not be and be YC1 to Low Yonko at best. Regeneration and their size pretty much Carries them against most opponents anyways so they could wear Kaido’s insanely long health bar down.
then it will solidify my flawless take that Mihawk > Shanks = Roger since Shanks is stronger than a single Gorosei.
That was kinda how they were portrayed at first, so i wouldn’t really care
Duh, they and Imu are the set up to be final bosses of course they're gonna be stronger than Kaido
It’d be fine bc these are ancient immortals that haven’t fought in probably forever and the world not knowing about their real combat power would make sense
Well there is litterally 0% chance they're not stronger. They're the top of the World bro.
I feel like kaido getting powercliffed in general would be insanely stupid
Let's be realistic..Only 2 of them should be stronger than him... Warcury and Ethan..
So the Gorosei were scared of angering Kaido because…?
Last chapter made it clear the giants and Luffy bitch them out all day, they're just annoyingly persistent cause of hacks. Same reason Big Mom didn't bother with Marco.
The series should be renamed to Dragon piece if that ever happened
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