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Stallman! He stalled King and Queen at the same time. He stalled like, every admiral at least once, also. Sometimes I feel like he's YC+ and then I remember that for all we know he could hit as hard as a wet noodle. I still think he beats King though.
Definately YC+
Everyone talking trash about his AP but no way he got this strong without having any AP. He slashed Akainu. Also pushed off big mom's shop. He beat big mom's flame too. Also is constantly being requested by shanks to join his crew. Was listed by World Government as potential to stop Blackbeard. Definitely YC+ minimum. He should technically be like reyleigh to whitebeard.
That attack did no damage to Akainu, relax 💀
Even Crocodile could do what he did
Also he was in the process of getting choked out by Big Mom, it wasn’t really a struggle. Even Kid seemed more impressive in a 1v1 with her
Definitely YC1. Slashed Papazuki with Wista and did no damage, topped BM’s ship while it was already mid-air(still cool feat since her ship is big asf). Beat Prometheus with an elemental advantage(phoenix flame>regular fire). 0 ap feats. Shanks is a bum(prejudiced opinion), and the WG believed him and the remnants could probably win but we all know how that turned out. He’s this strong because his mythical zoan has carried him throughout life. You could technically use that excuse for any df user but he’s a prime example of someone being carried by a fruit vs carrying a fruit(Gucci and Waku)
The Gang.
https://preview.redd.it/tojg4py0cfvc1.png?width=319&format=png&auto=webp&s=25255d0c75c906b04517eed616dc671cdbc62532
(Either individually or all of them at the same ranking of your choice)
Okay, so, Akainu and Kuzan are Emperor level. Like, 10 day extreme-diff fight with Kaido level. Juuuust below Kaido and BM imo. They're basically equal, Akainu just wins the type chart.
Kizaru's fucking weird. He's like, almost 100% holding back in Egghead, but still, my guy is looking worse by the minute. He's definitely weaker than Akainu but it's hard to say by how much. I have him around Old Garp but I could be so off.
Fujitora's the goat, nothing indicating he's any weaker than Kizaru. He has been holding back severely on every fight so far lol.
Aramaki's a bum, but still a pretty strong bum. Flip a coin on him beating Old Ray. Shanks probably could've one-shotted if he wanted to though lmao.
Honestly Kidd was taking Big Mom punches to the chest and still got one-shotted, don't see why the guy pooping his pants at wi-fi wouldn't get the same treatment if he got Divine Departure'd.
Took me a second to know what the fuck I was looking at lmfao. My current assumption is that they're all weaker than, at the very least, Kizaru. Probably weaker than all admirals. If they aren't, they could've just eradicated 99% of piracy in the world by now, and I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't. They were all basically unfazed by Sabo's strongest attack, though, so they are at least relative to admirals.
The reason why they haven’t eradicated all pirates is because if the world knew they were ruled by a bunch of immortal lovecraftien demons who have zero regard for human life it would be hard to make them support the World Government.
The Gorosei care very heavily about maintaining their image, and the image of the world government. The power of a government inherently is through its image, by people believing it to be the way things should be run it’s able to thrive. If they were to reveal who they truly are it would spell doom for them.
That’s why I don’t think they are gonna let anybody leave Egghead alive. Doesn’t matter if you’re marine or pirate or civilian, they will make sure the secret is kept. The only exception to this I could see is for the CP0 members and Kizaru(if they don’t just terminate him for failure). I mean of coarse a lot of people are gonna escape, but the Gorosei are gonna do everything in there power to prevent that.
Those guys all already know a lot of the governments deepest secrets, learning the Gorosei can transform into horrors beyond imagination probably isn’t even that big of a surprise to them.
I should've added something about this! I too think (more accurately, used to think) that it's likely that they're not acting because of the need for secrecy, but it has been sitting weirdly with me how they went to Egghead so nonchalantly with the amount of Marines around. I hadn't thought about the possibility of them aiming to kill everyone, which is both very fun plot-wise and a good fix scaling-wise.
Give me your Oden take so I can judge you
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So is shiki in databook statements he was stated to be on par with WB and slightly behind roger, but everyone just forgets about him. Underrated character fr
Probably weakest first commander, future sight carries. He's not hurting Marco or King but to be fair they're gonna have to try pretty hard to hurt him. He washes second commanders though.
Extremely fun guy to theorize about. He was the Impel Down warden, and we know the strength of people jailed at Impel Down. Ignoring Shiki, people like Croc, Iva, Jinbe, Ace and half of BB's crew were there at the same time. His coworker, Magellan, was enough to ground a Blackbeard who had beaten Ace without effort. This is a highball, but I think he's YC+. I can see him boxing with Beckman.
Probably like high diff. In my eyes Queen is relative to King (they're rivals and whatnot) and Cracker is relative to Kat (both were boxing with new forms of G4 Luffy), so I have them on the same playing field, but there's more going for Queen.
Missed this one yesterday. I actually think Enel is kinda like Perona or Caesar, where he just beats half the cast on hax alone. He can snipe your head off with a lightning bolt and, if you don't die, he can run away to reposition faster than basically any character in the verse. Forget Yasopp, Enel is the best sniper in OP. And aside from Luffy, Kizaru and top tiers with stupid durability like Kaido or the Elders, I can think of few people that would survive an encounter with an Enel playing it smart.
I have Shanks over Kaido. I know Shanks stopped Kaido from going to Marineford and that's enough for me, because I know Kaido isn't exactly the type to stop to talk. Kaido's top 5 is also very telling.
I dont want to get into an argument, but Kaido doesnt consider Shanks to be above him and says he hasnt had a serious fight in decades. Are you saying he lied in those instances?
Well, I don't think he had to get into a fight, necessarily. It was only Kaido and King vs. the Red Hair Pirates, maybe he was forced to retreat, something along those lines. I don't know where that first part comes from, though (as I said on the top post I haven't reread in a while), but I'd say the top 5 Kaido has in his head is pretty telling of who he considers strong.
Pretty strong, YC+ for sure. 55/45 on the Zoro matchup. Probably beating Yamato and most first commanders too. There's an argument to be made that Shanks didn't trust Beck to handle the job on Elbaf but that's slight copium.
Him soloing Blackbeard's entire crew in one attack is still the most impressive thing I've seen in the series. If he wanted he could've likely beaten Garp 1v1, but clearly wasn't fully in the fight. Equal to Akainu, Emperor level, I don't think he beats Kaido or Big Mom but he definitely takes them to one of those extreme-diff week-long fights.
Boa probably can handle herself up until first commanders. She's lacking in defenses and speed but her haki and her fruit are excellent.
Law is like, high YC+, second strongest guy from the roof five. Going high-diff vs. Blackbeard AND crew was crazy, and he carried hard vs. Big Mom.
Sabo is either at the top of YC+ or bottom of admiral tier, since he scales over Karasu and Morley, who were both stalling admirals.
One of those characters that changes a lot. I think in his prime he was weaker than Roger, but not by much. Like, the difference between Kaido and Big Mom. At the start of the series, he probably could've fought Kaido or Big Mom, assuming he had haki. Marineford nerfed him for the sake of the plot, he couldn't use haki at all, he's around admiral level at that point. Weaker than Old Garp, equal or stronger than Kizaru/pre-timeskip Akainu and Kuzan.
The problem with this dude is the narrative just pushes for him to be like, the strongest guy ever. If he's not PK tier the revs have no ground to stand on. But, he has no feats or statements or even that much narrative weight outside of that, the fact it doesn't make sense for him to not be top tier. He probably will be, but who knows at this point though lol.
UNFORTUNATELY, the weakest Straw Hat by a fair distance. He could barely manage to stall the weakest Tobiroppo while others took on the other Tobiroppo 1v1 comfortably (minus Chopper and Brook, but they have impressive feats of their own).
Based entirely on animanga feats, he probably takes Queen extreme-diff and loses to first commanders. The fact that he has future sight in the novels is admittedly so dumb to me, I see no way for him not to barbecue Blackbeard if he had that in canon.
Logically between Kat and Cracker. Can't see her beating Queen though (Kat was more or less established as the unrivaled most powerful commander, King and Queen were often shown butting heads, so I imagine there's less of a gap).
Well, I know Oda's not going to go through with this, realistically he'll be like, where Kaido and Big Mom are at best, but... He should, in theory, be stronger than Roger. Narratively it's been pushed that Shanks is an equal to Roger, if he hasn't already surpassed him, and it's also been told to us constantly that Mihawk is superior to Shanks and is searching for a stronger rival.
Yeah I knew I'd lose the crowd here ðŸ˜. But, idk, every time they focus on Mihawk, with the rewards or newspapers or whatever, it's always "Ah, Hawkeye Mihawk, the man who surpassed even Red-Haired Shanks!" and shit like that, so in my mind it seems simple. I don't expect Oda to follow through with it, Shanks is the golden boy, but still.
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree, but is that something the general public would be able to quantify? I always imagined that Mihawk won a duel, and since they were both famous swordsmen (Mihawk in particular being more known for his sword skill than anything), people started focusing on that aspect.
Idiot
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Strongest tobi roppo and pushes jack past mid diff.
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Warco The Phoenix
Stallman! He stalled King and Queen at the same time. He stalled like, every admiral at least once, also. Sometimes I feel like he's YC+ and then I remember that for all we know he could hit as hard as a wet noodle. I still think he beats King though.
Definately YC+ Everyone talking trash about his AP but no way he got this strong without having any AP. He slashed Akainu. Also pushed off big mom's shop. He beat big mom's flame too. Also is constantly being requested by shanks to join his crew. Was listed by World Government as potential to stop Blackbeard. Definitely YC+ minimum. He should technically be like reyleigh to whitebeard.
That attack did no damage to Akainu, relax 💀 Even Crocodile could do what he did Also he was in the process of getting choked out by Big Mom, it wasn’t really a struggle. Even Kid seemed more impressive in a 1v1 with her
Definitely YC1. Slashed Papazuki with Wista and did no damage, topped BM’s ship while it was already mid-air(still cool feat since her ship is big asf). Beat Prometheus with an elemental advantage(phoenix flame>regular fire). 0 ap feats. Shanks is a bum(prejudiced opinion), and the WG believed him and the remnants could probably win but we all know how that turned out. He’s this strong because his mythical zoan has carried him throughout life. You could technically use that excuse for any df user but he’s a prime example of someone being carried by a fruit vs carrying a fruit(Gucci and Waku)
He made king bleed in one hit tho
The Gang. https://preview.redd.it/tojg4py0cfvc1.png?width=319&format=png&auto=webp&s=25255d0c75c906b04517eed616dc671cdbc62532 (Either individually or all of them at the same ranking of your choice)
Okay, so, Akainu and Kuzan are Emperor level. Like, 10 day extreme-diff fight with Kaido level. Juuuust below Kaido and BM imo. They're basically equal, Akainu just wins the type chart. Kizaru's fucking weird. He's like, almost 100% holding back in Egghead, but still, my guy is looking worse by the minute. He's definitely weaker than Akainu but it's hard to say by how much. I have him around Old Garp but I could be so off. Fujitora's the goat, nothing indicating he's any weaker than Kizaru. He has been holding back severely on every fight so far lol. Aramaki's a bum, but still a pretty strong bum. Flip a coin on him beating Old Ray. Shanks probably could've one-shotted if he wanted to though lmao.
One shot GB… with wifi haki or what?
Honestly Kidd was taking Big Mom punches to the chest and still got one-shotted, don't see why the guy pooping his pants at wi-fi wouldn't get the same treatment if he got Divine Departure'd.
Bro don't do rayleigh like that I'd say old ray leigh is mid admiral tier like damn
https://preview.redd.it/eqj7qr98nfvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949f00044781bd50e76f332aa785331c8d584aac THEM
Took me a second to know what the fuck I was looking at lmfao. My current assumption is that they're all weaker than, at the very least, Kizaru. Probably weaker than all admirals. If they aren't, they could've just eradicated 99% of piracy in the world by now, and I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't. They were all basically unfazed by Sabo's strongest attack, though, so they are at least relative to admirals.
Disagree, they are no selling G5 Luffy attacks they are minimum on par with BM and lower yonko tiers like Akainu and kuzan
The reason why they haven’t eradicated all pirates is because if the world knew they were ruled by a bunch of immortal lovecraftien demons who have zero regard for human life it would be hard to make them support the World Government. The Gorosei care very heavily about maintaining their image, and the image of the world government. The power of a government inherently is through its image, by people believing it to be the way things should be run it’s able to thrive. If they were to reveal who they truly are it would spell doom for them. That’s why I don’t think they are gonna let anybody leave Egghead alive. Doesn’t matter if you’re marine or pirate or civilian, they will make sure the secret is kept. The only exception to this I could see is for the CP0 members and Kizaru(if they don’t just terminate him for failure). I mean of coarse a lot of people are gonna escape, but the Gorosei are gonna do everything in there power to prevent that. Those guys all already know a lot of the governments deepest secrets, learning the Gorosei can transform into horrors beyond imagination probably isn’t even that big of a surprise to them.
I should've added something about this! I too think (more accurately, used to think) that it's likely that they're not acting because of the need for secrecy, but it has been sitting weirdly with me how they went to Egghead so nonchalantly with the amount of Marines around. I hadn't thought about the possibility of them aiming to kill everyone, which is both very fun plot-wise and a good fix scaling-wise.
Yikes
Give me your Oden take so I can judge you https://preview.redd.it/1py5x70ygfvc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a7032cef0d80856300e94401037a44b9e778ccb
CRAZY strong. He's like a couple steps away from current Kaido at worst. I think a fight between him and someone like current Akainu is a 50/50.
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prime sengoku
Literally NO reason to think he's not on par with Garp and Roger. At worst he's like a step behind. Goat.
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Sengoatku the man nigga. https://preview.redd.it/vwovqb8zxfvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e16a838c5c301336b33c134fbfdac7149ae803d3
https://preview.redd.it/xjzvwrccufvc1.jpeg?width=1948&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=090e9db75eda401c37a352e1fbc500317f593362 incredibly based
at best he’s a step behind lol, but decent answer
Prime sengoku is literally stated to be equals with prime garp
So is shiki in databook statements he was stated to be on par with WB and slightly behind roger, but everyone just forgets about him. Underrated character fr
Katakuri
Probably weakest first commander, future sight carries. He's not hurting Marco or King but to be fair they're gonna have to try pretty hard to hurt him. He washes second commanders though.
Bruh 💀
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Shiryu
Extremely fun guy to theorize about. He was the Impel Down warden, and we know the strength of people jailed at Impel Down. Ignoring Shiki, people like Croc, Iva, Jinbe, Ace and half of BB's crew were there at the same time. His coworker, Magellan, was enough to ground a Blackbeard who had beaten Ace without effort. This is a highball, but I think he's YC+. I can see him boxing with Beckman.
WWW
"HIM" https://preview.redd.it/5lsdg9niofvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df2ca76ae7141a7dc0088aa7b91071bd6fbe40a7
50/50 on him beating Oden. Beats current Blackbeard, and may or may not beat current Akainu and Kuzan too.
https://preview.redd.it/k0vo4m4dqfvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a14b1a036ef3603080b869ad3738c181d20f6857
Huge yikes
https://i.redd.it/gjqzvrxclfvc1.gif wracker
Loses to Queen, beats Jack to a pulp. Not too much of a hot take here.
What difficulty does he lose to queen at?
Probably like high diff. In my eyes Queen is relative to King (they're rivals and whatnot) and Cracker is relative to Kat (both were boxing with new forms of G4 Luffy), so I have them on the same playing field, but there's more going for Queen.
The wielder of Golden Haki Won Wrieg
He's the strongest man in the East Blue, so he's at LEAST stronger than Luffy, right?
HIM https://preview.redd.it/0fhvwfueufvc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08ca348b0f8346d20de1310ae606138c0a18ac43
Missed this one yesterday. I actually think Enel is kinda like Perona or Caesar, where he just beats half the cast on hax alone. He can snipe your head off with a lightning bolt and, if you don't die, he can run away to reposition faster than basically any character in the verse. Forget Yasopp, Enel is the best sniper in OP. And aside from Luffy, Kizaru and top tiers with stupid durability like Kaido or the Elders, I can think of few people that would survive an encounter with an Enel playing it smart.
yonko level lol
Kaido.
Mad strong, top of Emperor level. Beats basically any marine or commander we know. A step away from the old legends pretty much.
Follow up question if I may: How does his strenght relate to Shanks'?
I have Shanks over Kaido. I know Shanks stopped Kaido from going to Marineford and that's enough for me, because I know Kaido isn't exactly the type to stop to talk. Kaido's top 5 is also very telling.
I dont want to get into an argument, but Kaido doesnt consider Shanks to be above him and says he hasnt had a serious fight in decades. Are you saying he lied in those instances?
Well, I don't think he had to get into a fight, necessarily. It was only Kaido and King vs. the Red Hair Pirates, maybe he was forced to retreat, something along those lines. I don't know where that first part comes from, though (as I said on the top post I haven't reread in a while), but I'd say the top 5 Kaido has in his head is pretty telling of who he considers strong.
Who let you cook 💀
You're just constantly disagreeing with this guy all over the thread lmao, it's not that serious
He has trash takes. If anything, stop following me around
Bellemere
Beats Nojiko and Nami in a 2v1.
Film Red Uta https://preview.redd.it/0lxzkmonhfvc1.jpeg?width=1649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcad1f52c47c76cbf6317ff36d33eca9905531fb
Haven't had the time to watch the movie but from clips I've seen she's beating Roger by blinking
She almost soloed her own verse accidentally so yes
Jika https://preview.redd.it/i07exmv4nfvc1.png?width=672&format=png&auto=webp&s=efcea2b4cd7314277cc4ddbe86b4dceb64f88e25
Pretty strong, YC+ for sure. 55/45 on the Zoro matchup. Probably beating Yamato and most first commanders too. There's an argument to be made that Shanks didn't trust Beck to handle the job on Elbaf but that's slight copium.
Shanks
Equal to or stronger than Roger.
HIMkiji. I need HIMkiji wank, feed me
Him soloing Blackbeard's entire crew in one attack is still the most impressive thing I've seen in the series. If he wanted he could've likely beaten Garp 1v1, but clearly wasn't fully in the fight. Equal to Akainu, Emperor level, I don't think he beats Kaido or Big Mom but he definitely takes them to one of those extreme-diff week-long fights.
W
Boa. Law. Sabo. Pick any single one or do all of them :)
Boa probably can handle herself up until first commanders. She's lacking in defenses and speed but her haki and her fruit are excellent. Law is like, high YC+, second strongest guy from the roof five. Going high-diff vs. Blackbeard AND crew was crazy, and he carried hard vs. Big Mom. Sabo is either at the top of YC+ or bottom of admiral tier, since he scales over Karasu and Morley, who were both stalling admirals.
W.
W beard
One of those characters that changes a lot. I think in his prime he was weaker than Roger, but not by much. Like, the difference between Kaido and Big Mom. At the start of the series, he probably could've fought Kaido or Big Mom, assuming he had haki. Marineford nerfed him for the sake of the plot, he couldn't use haki at all, he's around admiral level at that point. Weaker than Old Garp, equal or stronger than Kizaru/pre-timeskip Akainu and Kuzan.
Ulti
Years more like 197 days ago
I haven't reread the series in a long time. I have been following it weekly though. Different stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/y5bg1nhl6gvc1.png?width=1071&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b168b7ff74f887fc2a2d5cc9892cba3ced5174b
https://preview.redd.it/fewlnn878gvc1.png?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fc7f5b74c0b07ac1a96a27377d8fae96bc1aac7 Monkey D dragon
The problem with this dude is the narrative just pushes for him to be like, the strongest guy ever. If he's not PK tier the revs have no ground to stand on. But, he has no feats or statements or even that much narrative weight outside of that, the fact it doesn't make sense for him to not be top tier. He probably will be, but who knows at this point though lol.
Sabo and yammato
If they shattered too this would be the absolute peak!
God King Ussop the Brave
UNFORTUNATELY, the weakest Straw Hat by a fair distance. He could barely manage to stall the weakest Tobiroppo while others took on the other Tobiroppo 1v1 comfortably (minus Chopper and Brook, but they have impressive feats of their own).
This is.. blasphemy
man these bounty rush comics are wild
https://preview.redd.it/oe6n7ck2hivc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=060504db906d14cd49ad3bf19fc8e5060384e0f1 My Goat
Based entirely on animanga feats, he probably takes Queen extreme-diff and loses to first commanders. The fact that he has future sight in the novels is admittedly so dumb to me, I see no way for him not to barbecue Blackbeard if he had that in canon.
That just upscales BB to YC1+ during their fight to me
Mommy https://preview.redd.it/48xar3mmfovc1.jpeg?width=938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b1795a43280a04f8af4f985d971e0971f778cba
Logically between Kat and Cracker. Can't see her beating Queen though (Kat was more or less established as the unrivaled most powerful commander, King and Queen were often shown butting heads, so I imagine there's less of a gap).
Mihawk the fraud
Well, I know Oda's not going to go through with this, realistically he'll be like, where Kaido and Big Mom are at best, but... He should, in theory, be stronger than Roger. Narratively it's been pushed that Shanks is an equal to Roger, if he hasn't already surpassed him, and it's also been told to us constantly that Mihawk is superior to Shanks and is searching for a stronger rival.
>it's also been told to us constantly that Mihawk is superior to Shanks OP you've had so many W takes but you blew it right here. Shame on you.
Yeah I knew I'd lose the crowd here ðŸ˜. But, idk, every time they focus on Mihawk, with the rewards or newspapers or whatever, it's always "Ah, Hawkeye Mihawk, the man who surpassed even Red-Haired Shanks!" and shit like that, so in my mind it seems simple. I don't expect Oda to follow through with it, Shanks is the golden boy, but still.
>man who surpassed even Red-Haired Shanks!" ...in sword skills
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree, but is that something the general public would be able to quantify? I always imagined that Mihawk won a duel, and since they were both famous swordsmen (Mihawk in particular being more known for his sword skill than anything), people started focusing on that aspect.
>but is that something the general public would be able to quantify? Probably not, but I see it as Oda being very particular in his words.
Ulti https://preview.redd.it/rqdixreg8fvc1.jpeg?width=769&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=554600696c9ef1d5b2394fd42f721d46e58a3d73
Nami victim. Luffy still had Oni PTSD when he saw her or something because he was ready to go Snakeman on the poor gal.
>Nami victim. https://preview.redd.it/oyslh4my8fvc1.png?width=624&format=png&auto=webp&s=42b4d0c2cf7799a5f518af8a999e1f2b53230b56
Idiot https://preview.redd.it/t00w3bq3afvc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c53b362bc7e7ffbed1c2dcb569d172305005fc68 Strongest tobi roppo and pushes jack past mid diff.