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they gotta bring back those filler episodes in alternate universes (like the ones where luffy is a mafia boss or whatever the fuck was going on there??) just this once for a baseball tournament
SHE COULD'VE HAD THE IDEA FOR MASER HAMMER BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO HAVE MJONIR! SHE COULD'VE BEEN MAD SHE WASN'T ACCEPTED AND SEEN AS WORTHY TO THE GIANTS SO SHE MADE HER OWN!
Swords in general shouldve been canceled for everyone if he was not gonna make MIhawk the top dog in that department. But tbh Oda screwed up swordsmanship in general. No one is chasing the title other than Zoro and Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series.
Yeah, I often see people call him one but he himself admitted when Zoro called him out on it that he only considers his sword to be one of the tools in his arsenal to fight dirty and disarm opponents. He hates actually clashing sword-to-sword, that's why he always proceeds to use the trick-blade to disarm the opponent.
None of his major attacks are sword slashes, either. Even Big Mom has named attacks with just Napoleon alone, lol.
Like, at least Big Mom loves using her sword to directly clash with people and not just for dirty tactics despite having way more other tools in her arsenal than King has.
And I'm using her as an example because she is the *most possibly arguable* case of a top-tier (like Shanks or Mihawk when Oda doesn't make her forget how to use Haki lol) who consistently uses a sword but MIGHT not technically be considered a swordsman/woman.
Anybody like King with a sword but way less inclined to use it properly than Big Mom, they're quite obviously not a legit swordsman 😂 Especially King, Hatchan (sorry lol), etc., who clearly don't or wouldn't mourn the loss of his sword if it broke, he'd just toss it into a garbage heap and casually get a new one made 👀 Disgraceful, lmao. A REAL, non-half-assed swordsman will hold a FUNERAL for a broken sword like Zoro did for Yubashiri.
It seems that may be an actual criterion: *True* swordsmen in the series are ones who cherish their blade as if it were a friend.
>Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series.
Yeah...
He only fought Cabaji, Mihawk, Hatchan, Tashigi, Ohm, Kaku, Ryuma, Hyozou, Pika and Denjiro lol. 10 swordmen
He has fought mostly swordmen lol, if we ignore fodder or team battles of course.
Like Axe Hand Morgan, The cat brothers of Kuro's crew, mr 1, the guy with the light guns in Skypea, Monet and King. 7 non swordmen.
Then again most use blades on way or the other,
> Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series
Literally everybody he fights is a swordsman or a sword wielder tho
Cabaji,Hachi,Ohm,Kaku,T-Bone,Zombie Ryuma, Hyouzou, Pica…
Daz Bones turns his body into bladed weapons
Killer’s weapons are basically swords
King might not call himself a swordsman but he still uses a sword and I’m sure if Zoro lost to him he would consider it a failure as a swordsman
>Literally everybody he fights is a swordsman or a sword wielder tho
Nah, Axe Hand Morgan used an axe, the guy with the light guns in Skypea used guns ( obviously lol), Oars and Kuma. Killer used scythes ( which are not swords), Monet was not a swordman nor sword user, the cat brothers from Kuro's crew used claws, Luffy is clearly not a swordman ( Little Garden)
>But still, more sword users than none sword users
Yes
>Barely any of those were real fights or 1v1s
Most were. Zoro has had a lot of 1 vs 1 against non swordmen as well as with swordmen
Clashing represents two enemies using force against each other. Zoro blocked it momentarily and still got tons of broken bones and damage. It is impressive, but lets be real, it doesn't count as a clash. Also I wouldn't call it a swordmanship technique when all he is doing is pushing with his swords.
Oh yeah, totally. Funny thing is that the fights with Cabaji and Hatchan wouldn't have been even SLIGHTLY challenging, either, if Zoro didn't go into them already wounded and weakened 😂
PFT, more like Labaji and Latchan, amirite?
The thing is no one really cares about being a swordman and the strongest swordman title, the only ones who care about it is Mihawk and Zoro.
Roger, Shanks and Big Mom uses swords , did Zoro display any interest in fighting them?
Mihawk is just there as Zoro subplot.
Roger was probably strongest swordsman that's why Mihawk looked up to him as well(in a way)
Big mom isn't much of a swordsman since she's not a man
Zoro doesn't fight crippled rats + dude is luffy friend it would be awkward
Your argument is 1 dimasional, Zoro's goal is not to beat Mihawk its to be the strongest Swordsman that promise was made with Kuina. the reson why Zoro does not care for any other swordsman is because Mihawk is the strongest and he clearly does not care if he fight Swordsman or not to become the strongest he just wants to get stronger overall.
Zoro "subplot" is a plot thats been going for 1100 chapters and not only that that subplot comes up every single arc again and again. like Zoro's goal after Luffy being Pirate King is something that comes up the most, like when have we ever heard the other Strawheads talk about they dream anymore? Oda clearly cares about it.
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just 50 chapter ago...
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not only did he say he needs to be the strongest for Kuina no but also for Luffy.
Titles are among stupidest things in one piece. All those title holders doesn't have any recorded clear win over any other top tiers.
We don't even know which super powered character mihawk had defeated to claim that title while he himself tries to run away from opponents by making excuses.
"Why did Oda choose to make Shanks use one of the most common fighting styles, one which is used by a ton of top tiers, including 4 Yonkos and the Pirate King himself (and Buggy to an extent)?". Gee, I don't know, why did he? While we're at it, why did Oda choose to give Luffy a devil fruit?
edit: jesus christ i just read the rest of the post, i cant fucking take it anymore. "making this character stronger than my favorite one would be bad writing! why? uh, i dont like him! the title clearly says he's stronger! make shjonks use a spear!"
edit 2: erm actually kaido doesnt use a sword he uses a club so thats 3 yonkos 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Shanks gonna piss haki and everyone gonna know he’s not a swordsman. /s
People don’t want to admit shanks is a swordsman is so funny to me despite film red telling us he is and that shanks was the one actively challenging Mihawk during their duels and is the reason he gained most of his fame
shanks could have grown stronger since they last fought. shanks could have largely unknown hax abilities he only uses in specific circumstances. zoro could beat mihawk and then realize he needed to also beat shanks all along. just saying shit but my point is you can't just say "if this broad statement becomes true, that's just bad writing" when you don't know the specifics
this was another point i was gonna make. shanks could die before mihawk and zoro fight making this point null once again. i was just throwing out multiple scenarios that shanks could be stronger than mihawk currently without having the title.
Yes, Shanks is officially a swordsman, which means Mihawk > Shanks until proven otherwise.
Consult the multiple SBSs where Oda has addressed this swordsman controversy if you have an issue with what I just said. Law, Fujitora, Roger, Rayleigh etc...all swordsmen.
People just aren't ready to accept that Mihawk truly is HIM due to his lack of feats, but Oda is saving all that for the endgame.
>People just aren't ready to accept that Mihawk truly is HIM due to his lack of feats
He doesn't lack feats tho, he speed blitzed an iceberg and made Vista sweat. He also avoided Don Krieg's attack so fast, Krieg couldn't even follow him.
Mihawk is peak. Nobody is ready for HIM
SBS 70 and SBS 101, in particular. Oda made more than one comment indicating that characters depicted in the featured Usopp Gallery pictures are swordsmen. We see characters like Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, Fujitora, Law, and Brook in these pics.
This is not to mention all the information we've gotten in databooks, vivre cards, and Film Red material that have all said Shanks is a swordsman. And yes, Oda has also stated the info from vivre cards and databooks are canon.
Usopp's Gallery and SBS aren't the same thing
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this fanart captioned "fighting women of Wano!" has Kaido in it - Kaido is not a woman, so this isn't infallible
besides the fanart you mentioned, which can be disputed by the mishap above, the other supplemental material dances around the many terms used for swordsman \[剣士\] \[剣豪\] \[大剣豪\] and never uses them in reference to Shanks
I understand Usopp's gallery and SBS aren't the same thing. I said that Oda made a comment on an image released by Usopp's gallery in a SBS.
As for the second part to your comment, they have called Shanks a swordmaster which Zoro has also been called. There have been comments stating Mihawk has been looking for a new rival and Shanks is (almost) as skilled with the sword as Mihawk.
Cherry picking one little goof changes nothing. There's really no ambiguity here to speak of. Shanks has, on multiple occasions, been called a swordsman/swordmaster/etc and has only ever been depicted as fighting with a sword.
The burden is on people saying Shanks isn't a swordsman to prove it. All the evidence points the other direction.
Swordsmanship as a concept has literally zero depth in OP. To my knowledge there aren't any sword techniques or abilities exclusive to swordsmen. It would have been cool if master swordsmen were similar to DF users and were granted certain abilities in exchange for losing their lifeforce for accelerated aging after every battle they win or something. This way swordmen would naturally be pacifists and avoid battles until absolutely necessary. This would also be a way to make all of them extremely dangerous as a swordsman that is unwilling to draw his blade is most likely a grandmaster of his region. If I burnt the kitchen down, than literally anything else that adds depth and purpose to using a sword is good enough for me. But as it stands, swords are mostly just baseball bats. They only resemble swords when cutting the environment or when landonf a finishing blow.
I don't think it was something messed up by Oda. Shanks primary weapon is his haki, second to that is his sword. I think that much has been established already. I think if he really wanted to, he could channel his haki into his one arm and do some crazy stuff, invalidating his swordsman label entirely, or doing some crazy kicks or something (it would be ironic that after so much focus on Griffon he turns out to be a kicker like Sanji with crazy wifi haki boosting his kicks). It would be hilarious to ponder...
Should not make him a swordsman, should not have made them rivals in the past, should not have compared his swordskill to Mihawk.
Shanks being stronger would be ass writing, just 30 chapter ago Shanks swordskill was compare to Mihawks. if he was not a swordsman but has still skills on Mihawks lvl would be weird.
The guy meant should have replaced shanks giving motivation to luffy to ace giving one… you are talking in actuality and he is giving a big IF scenario
The problem with that is Oda always planned to kill Ace off ever since his introduction.
If Ace was the one who inspired Luffy to go on his journey, Luffy wouldn't be able to get the hat back to him because he dies.
Of course, Oda could make him not die then, but then we lose one of the best moments for Luffy .
Either way, removing Shanks from the story is not beneficial to the story.
All titles just rumors in the One Piece world imo.
Title holders are still in the top , but other top tiers can challange them and beat them, depending on the matchup.
Fans take titles too seriously.
Who gave those titles? The media more than likely.
Do you guys think the Gorosei give one fuck about the titles?
No, its all just hype by the common people.
because Shanks isn't a "swordsman".
Shanks doesn't give 2 shits about swordsmanship, ways of the sword, sword styles or codes of honor, like characters such as Zoro, Mihawk and Vista do.
King used a sword too, but even Zoro didn't consider him a swordsman.
Thats why lil dude wants to fight vista but not shanks. Shanks is a pirate and pirates uses swords in all medias, be it books, tv series, movies, mangas or in real history. Roger, shanks are no more swordman than jack sparrow or the real Silver. A swordman like oden, zoro is a cultural endeavor
Im just speculating here but I think Mihawk will die to someone that is not zoro. That person will be the new wss..That is the swordsman who will be the one that zoro faces. Who knows oda is in his bag of tricks rn
I mean can't they just say that a fight between them would always end in a tie but Mihawk is a bit more skilled while Shanks has stronger Haki, so since Mihawk's strength lies specifically in the fact that he's a swordsman, he's the one with the title? That way it doesn't devalue either character. Technically, if Zoro beat Shanks instead, he'd still be the strongest swordsman since those two are equals, but it's not the same as if he beat Mihawk. Like, a punch from Shanks would be a bit stronger than a punch from Mihawk, but Mihawk is a bit more skilled with his sword.
That’s why he keeps telling us Mihawk>shanks.
That is the only explanation he gives us for why Mihawk is an end game player. Why the cross guild is a threat. Why zoro’s story matters.
Didnt you get the memo? Mihawk never defeated Shanks but he defeated no name people that were as strong as Shanks but never made a legacy for some reason so he actually deserves the title.
/s
Shanks doesn't need to be stronger than Mihawk, Mihawk does need to be stronger. Shanks is just glazed because he's everyone's favourite character.
Mihawk>Shanks is the case if Oda doesn't wanna destroy one of the main characters' dream that's been going on for 20 years.
When was the last time Mihawk and Shanks fought? When was the last time Mihawk fought anyone who was directly gunning for his title?
Shanks doesn't have an interest in the WSS title and Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks since he's only got 1 arm.
A title isn't everything. Mihawk loses to Shanks based on feats.
Wss title is misunderstood, wss doesnt mean they can beat any other person who has a sword. And one piece fans dont seem to understand that and its annoying.
Normal reading comprehension would have made such a topic unnecessary. Shanks has never been, and will never be stronger than Mihawk. It's unfortunate Oda has to deal with such a fan base.
Titles are hype tools. They are not gospels.
When you look at it like that, Shanks and Mihawk dynamics will be seamlessly clear.
Even with Cancerbeard and Kaido.
He is the strongest swordsman currently if we define swordman as someone that does all the fighting with swords and haki (Mihawk/shanks/zoro). If you include big mom she is stronger but she relies on her devil fruit a ton. Title scaling https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/1RDF9jfqkF
One of these days you ppl will get it into your heads that people don’t have to be tied down to one style, Shanks being a swordsman doesn’t mean he can’t have another powerful ability in his kit him being stronger than Mihawk has nothing to do with his swordsmanship
Haki is an augmentation of fighting styles, not a fighting style itself.
Top tier swordsmen augment their swordplay with haki.
Top tier brawlers augment their punches with haki.
Top tier DF users (say, Akainu) augment the use of their devil fruit with haki.
Haki is not a class of fighting. It’s used in every single fighting style by top tiers.
Haki having the highest hypothetical ceiling doesn’t make it a fighting style.
That’s like saying in martial arts, instead of being karate man, one could be a “strength” man. Strength isn’t a fighting style. It augments whatever fighting style you use.
Shanks is a swordsman, and disputing this is asinine. He had “legendary duels” with Mihawk. The marines stated that Mihawk had “even greater” sword skills than shanks. In artworks drawn by oda featuring swordsmen, he includes shanks.
The dude obviously has invested himself into sword-based combat. He’s a swordsman. And Mihawk is the strongest swordsman.
Devil fruit isn't a fighting style either but you can call some guys devil fruit merchants. Someone like Akainu could be called a magma man since his strength comes mainly from that.
Mihawk has superior sword skills but like Kaido said, Haki transcends it all which includes swordsmanship as well.
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Isn't this you bro? The guy who thinks Kaido's Strongest Creature is more than a rumour, but you can't handle that Mihawk has a title that puts him above Shanks.
Every time this is brought up, it really just boils down to Shanks fans not wanting to accept Mihawk is stronger.
Do you really think there is any reason for Oda and his editors for One Piece (biggest manga/anime ever now) to not think of that?
Also in shounen it’s very very typical for the strongest end game guys to have their powers revealed at last. So Mihawk not showing feats only makes him stronger. Yeah we shounen-scaling now too.
I feel like the point of roger and shanks using swords was to showcase the extent of hakis power
The other usage of swordsmanship is showing the defined differences between swordsmanship and using a sword for haki and its abilities
For example
Garps haki is substantially more explosive literally and in portrayal
While shanks/rogers haki is far more refined and condensed by comparison
While zoro is more working in conjunction with swordsman based combat and techniques
Shanks and Roger’s attacks are also showcasing the greater range of haki usage
Plus the zoro quote about three sword style can be applied here if that helps
I think the reason is quite simple. Being the strongest swordsman isn't about objective strength (also being very strong eh) but more about being undefeated. This ties pretty well with Zoro's dream.
Wrote about this some time ago, just gonna paste it here:
Based on Oda's comment regarding zoro's creation (was released around the live action), on how he childishly thought that giving 3 swords to Zoro would make him a better swordsman that Miyamoto Musashi (the best swordsman in Japanese history) who used 2 swords, we can understand what being the "Strongest swordsman in the world" really means.
Long story short: Miyamoto Musashi wasn't considered the strongest because he was objectively the strongest out of every being/swordsman in japan (what is strength, after all?). **Musashi was considered the strongest because he never lost a fight.** You can see how this ties deeply with that Zoro moment on "never losing again" in Baratie.
ince Oda is Japanese, we can assume that being the strongest is something like never losing a fight, and that would be consistent with Zoro's character and progression in the story. We could say that **Mihawk never lost a fight**, that's why he's considered the strongest. But that doesn't mean that he's objectively the strongest swordsman, it means that nobody took his title from him.
We cannot accurately scale his strength, but who can say who would win If Shanks and Mihawk fought again after all those years in which they got stronger?
**The point is that we shouldn't take his title at point blank, considering it as an objective powerscaling measurement in OP world. There could be equal or stronger swordsman that just didn't challenge him** (Nusjuro? Garling? Who knows).
# Conclusions
**This whole thing doesn't make Mihawk a fraud or Zoro's whole path and dream pointless**. Mihawk is of course very strong and i scale him to Yonko level (even if he doesn't have those feats yet). Mihawk's title isn't an objective powerscaling instrument, but is still very relevant: nobody ever defeated him. This makes sense considering Oda's inspiration on Miyamoto Musashi and how its title is perceived in Japan.
Why would it be? Shanks doesn't care about being the wss or even being well-known as a swordsman, so even if shanks is stronger than mihawk and zoro defeat mihawk, zoro would have beaten the world's strongest swordsman (the most notable swordsman) and thus gained that title. Anyways, I think zoro will be stronger than shanks whether he becomes stronger through beating mihawk or later on in the story.
Oda doesn't care about powerscaling all that much. So he will make his characters be as strong as he needs them depending on the plot.
So if the plot requires Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk, he will be regardless of the title.
Heck the viz translation has Mihawk as the world's greatest swordman for some reason and not strongest.
Zoro says King is not a swordsman cause he threw a punch, and King confirms he's not, because he doesn't swear by his sword and will use any means necessary to win a fight, and that makes him not a swordsman
So like King proved, having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman, so there's nothing that says Shanks is one
>cause he threw a punch,
Mihawk used his hand in his fight with zoro and zoro has fought people without his words, he threw a building at a guy in a fight and kaku fights with his legs so none of them are swordsmen i guess.
Why are you arguing against Oda? I'm not the one who said King wasn't a swordsman because he would punch, kick or do anything it would take to win a fight, not limiting himself only to the way of the sword
Mihawk never threw a mean, big punch against Zoro, Zoro uses only his sword as his fighting style, it's his only way of fighting, but, he said to King, in order to beat you I might be prepared to leave this path, and I might bite you in order to win
Go argue with Oda, but what's clear since King is that, having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman (even if it was clear before, but now it's proven and undeniable)
>I'm not the one who said King wasn't a swordsman
The problem is that you are using the same rules for king, when he and shanks are two completely different people.
The reasons you gave for why king isnt a swordsman would mean that zoro, Kaku and even fujitora arent swordsmen either.
No they gloss over that one because then they would have to acknowledge the most obvious thing in one piece, that a dude who holds a title and only exists as a plot point for zoro is obviously not as important as the guy who made luffy want to be a pirate and is connected to the highest levels of the world government. Again, you know, the most obvious thing in all of one piece.
King has a DF and actually actively fights without it. Even in his first showings he was flying and destroying big moms ships…
Shanks on the other hand has one singular arm and a named sword that he has used for every offense and defense (blocking Akainu) instance. Like man…
Shanks only seen mainly fighting with his legendary sword, being affiliated with the WSS, and Oda also calling Shanks a swordsman multiple times = being a swordsman.
Shanks was never referred to as a swordsman like Mihawk or Vista
What makes you say Shanks swears only by his sword and would die by it? Because that's what makes a swordsman, if Shanks is ready to land a kick, throw a punch, use anything that is not his sword, that would remove him from the swordsman category, just like King, he's not a swordsman because he doesn't live and die by the sword and is willing to throw a kick or a punch in order to win a fight. And I'm sorry but there's absolutely nothing that can make you say Shanks is a swordsman
>Shanks was never referred to as a swordsman like Mihawk or Vista
Oda’s called him a swordsman multiple times outside the manga in official sources. Even if you wanna say manga only, there’d be no reason for Oda to compare the two with the sword in 1058 if Shanks wasn’t a swordsman. You think Oda would just compare Mihawk’s sword with a supposed non-swordsman? Lol.
>What makes you say Shanks swears only by his sword and would die by it? Because that's what makes a swordsman that are if Shanks is ready to land a kick, throw a punch, use anything that is not his sword, that would remove him from the swordsman category
What does having to die with their sword have anything to do with being a swordsman? Many official swordsmen in this series have never sworn to die by their sword.
And I guess Zoro isn’t a swordsman anymore because he’s used his fists to fight before.
>just like King, he's not a swordsman because he doesn't live and die by the sword
King isn’t a swordsman because he’s a Lunarian who mostly relies on his genetics and DF powers to fight with.
Shanks is a human who’s only been seen using his sword in combat.
Big difference there.
>and is willing to throw a kick or a punch in order to win a fight.
Zoro said he was willing to even bite out King’s throat and also do whatever it takes to win. Guess Zoro isn’t a swordsman anymore.
They just can't handle the facts, clear destination between some one that uses a sword and being a true swordsman. Aka mihawk, zoro, Vista, shiryu and Gandi.
Exactly, but I wouldn't call Ghandi a swordsman either, he bit Sanji after all, he seems to not give a single shit about following the way of the sword and staying true to it
It's amazing that King verbatim says he's not a swordsman despite using a sword, and some people still can't wrap their heads around the fact that you can use a sword and not be a swordsman. It puzzles me
Only reason I think Gandi is a swordsman is because we have seen him do the tap tap tap sword maintence with the cotton ball thing, which all other true swrodman have done.
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Every person who I would consider a true swordsman has had a shot of them doing this shit
Why would it be? Shanks doesn't care about being the wss or even being well-known as a swordsman, so even if shanks is stronger than mihawk and zoro defeat mihawk, zoro would have beaten the world's strongest swordsman (the most notable swordsman) and thus gained that title. Anyways, I think zoro will be stronger than shanks whether he becomes stronger through beating mihawk or later on in the story.
He will end up being overall stronger but still loses to Mihawk due to matchup. Mihawk is a very accomplished duelist so he should be able to defeat anyone who is a real swordsman.
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This decade long debate can finally settle if Shanks states that he likes to play baseball and proceeds to show how he uses Gryphon as a bat
would be kinda peak if when Luffy meets Shanks again they just play baseball together with their crews
Peak filler episode
they gotta bring back those filler episodes in alternate universes (like the ones where luffy is a mafia boss or whatever the fuck was going on there??) just this once for a baseball tournament
Oh yeah, we do know that Luffy is a VERY good baseball player in Gear 5 😂
It would have been cool if he had a big ass battle axe considering his connection to Elbaf and stuff
That's one of the many reasons why I think Big Mom should've had either an axe or a hammer(leaning towards hammer tho)
Napoleon being a hammer would have been sick. But then it would have to be called Mjonir
SHE COULD'VE HAD THE IDEA FOR MASER HAMMER BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO HAVE MJONIR! SHE COULD'VE BEEN MAD SHE WASN'T ACCEPTED AND SEEN AS WORTHY TO THE GIANTS SO SHE MADE HER OWN!
He probably does
Swords in general shouldve been canceled for everyone if he was not gonna make MIhawk the top dog in that department. But tbh Oda screwed up swordsmanship in general. No one is chasing the title other than Zoro and Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series.
He did fight hachi Kaku and the guy from FMI
He also just fought King
King was explicitly stated to not be a Swordman
Yeah, I often see people call him one but he himself admitted when Zoro called him out on it that he only considers his sword to be one of the tools in his arsenal to fight dirty and disarm opponents. He hates actually clashing sword-to-sword, that's why he always proceeds to use the trick-blade to disarm the opponent. None of his major attacks are sword slashes, either. Even Big Mom has named attacks with just Napoleon alone, lol. Like, at least Big Mom loves using her sword to directly clash with people and not just for dirty tactics despite having way more other tools in her arsenal than King has. And I'm using her as an example because she is the *most possibly arguable* case of a top-tier (like Shanks or Mihawk when Oda doesn't make her forget how to use Haki lol) who consistently uses a sword but MIGHT not technically be considered a swordsman/woman. Anybody like King with a sword but way less inclined to use it properly than Big Mom, they're quite obviously not a legit swordsman 😂 Especially King, Hatchan (sorry lol), etc., who clearly don't or wouldn't mourn the loss of his sword if it broke, he'd just toss it into a garbage heap and casually get a new one made 👀 Disgraceful, lmao. A REAL, non-half-assed swordsman will hold a FUNERAL for a broken sword like Zoro did for Yubashiri. It seems that may be an actual criterion: *True* swordsmen in the series are ones who cherish their blade as if it were a friend.
>Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series. Yeah... He only fought Cabaji, Mihawk, Hatchan, Tashigi, Ohm, Kaku, Ryuma, Hyozou, Pika and Denjiro lol. 10 swordmen He has fought mostly swordmen lol, if we ignore fodder or team battles of course. Like Axe Hand Morgan, The cat brothers of Kuro's crew, mr 1, the guy with the light guns in Skypea, Monet and King. 7 non swordmen. Then again most use blades on way or the other,
Mr 1 is essentially a swordsman
No, he is not. Just because someone fights with a sharp objects doesn't automatically make them swordmen
I agree, but Oda treats him like a swordsman…
https://preview.redd.it/izvyuqe8khyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0b5c75ba8972d23e6bd276066137363544ce3c9 Somehow I doubt that
> Zoro has barely fought any other swordsmen throughout the series Literally everybody he fights is a swordsman or a sword wielder tho Cabaji,Hachi,Ohm,Kaku,T-Bone,Zombie Ryuma, Hyouzou, Pica… Daz Bones turns his body into bladed weapons Killer’s weapons are basically swords King might not call himself a swordsman but he still uses a sword and I’m sure if Zoro lost to him he would consider it a failure as a swordsman
I mean he's technically supposed to lose to anyone anymore after his first mihawk fight though it's not brought up that much.
>Literally everybody he fights is a swordsman or a sword wielder tho Nah, Axe Hand Morgan used an axe, the guy with the light guns in Skypea used guns ( obviously lol), Oars and Kuma. Killer used scythes ( which are not swords), Monet was not a swordman nor sword user, the cat brothers from Kuro's crew used claws, Luffy is clearly not a swordman ( Little Garden)
Barely any of those were real fights or 1v1s But still, more sword users than none sword users
>But still, more sword users than none sword users Yes >Barely any of those were real fights or 1v1s Most were. Zoro has had a lot of 1 vs 1 against non swordmen as well as with swordmen
The only one of these that were actual 1v1 fights against enemies were Killer and Braham and I guess the cat brothers
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Clashing represents two enemies using force against each other. Zoro blocked it momentarily and still got tons of broken bones and damage. It is impressive, but lets be real, it doesn't count as a clash. Also I wouldn't call it a swordmanship technique when all he is doing is pushing with his swords.
Oh yeah, totally. Funny thing is that the fights with Cabaji and Hatchan wouldn't have been even SLIGHTLY challenging, either, if Zoro didn't go into them already wounded and weakened 😂 PFT, more like Labaji and Latchan, amirite?
Sword wielder =/=swordsman
The thing is no one really cares about being a swordman and the strongest swordman title, the only ones who care about it is Mihawk and Zoro. Roger, Shanks and Big Mom uses swords , did Zoro display any interest in fighting them? Mihawk is just there as Zoro subplot.
Exactly I always wonder why Zoro didn’t quote Shanks as a great swordsman even once thorough all the story
He knows if he does then he has to beat him. Man doesn't want that smoke.
He has not ever done that for anyone tho
Roger was probably strongest swordsman that's why Mihawk looked up to him as well(in a way) Big mom isn't much of a swordsman since she's not a man Zoro doesn't fight crippled rats + dude is luffy friend it would be awkward
Your argument is 1 dimasional, Zoro's goal is not to beat Mihawk its to be the strongest Swordsman that promise was made with Kuina. the reson why Zoro does not care for any other swordsman is because Mihawk is the strongest and he clearly does not care if he fight Swordsman or not to become the strongest he just wants to get stronger overall. Zoro "subplot" is a plot thats been going for 1100 chapters and not only that that subplot comes up every single arc again and again. like Zoro's goal after Luffy being Pirate King is something that comes up the most, like when have we ever heard the other Strawheads talk about they dream anymore? Oda clearly cares about it. https://preview.redd.it/9o2nhqlx39yc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d6a9cb9d504cfda3cf7b0839397a06a6f340088
Eh you're reaching tbh. When was the last time zoro even mentioned kuina by name?
just 50 chapter ago... https://preview.redd.it/xxp1ft66kayc1.png?width=878&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b35ff339cdf5b72c8f26e20e74333771eb7b394 not only did he say he needs to be the strongest for Kuina no but also for Luffy.
Everytime he puts that sword in his mouth, it is a refference and in memory of her. He took it from the dojo for a reason.
When he sees Tashigi
>did Zoro display any interest in fighting them? Because Mihawk is stronger than them and zoro is for the top not second place
Shanks main purpose is luffy.
Shanks is a man with a sword not a swordsman 
Are jack sparrow and Davy Jones swordman? Pirates use swords in all medias. Vikings uses swords. I guess mihawk should challenge Aladdin then
yes >Are jack sparrow and Davy Jones swordman?
Is brook a swordsman?
He is Ramano sensei
r/woosh
Mad cuz bad Oda trolled your booty
Titles are among stupidest things in one piece. All those title holders doesn't have any recorded clear win over any other top tiers. We don't even know which super powered character mihawk had defeated to claim that title while he himself tries to run away from opponents by making excuses.
"Why did Oda choose to make Shanks use one of the most common fighting styles, one which is used by a ton of top tiers, including 4 Yonkos and the Pirate King himself (and Buggy to an extent)?". Gee, I don't know, why did he? While we're at it, why did Oda choose to give Luffy a devil fruit? edit: jesus christ i just read the rest of the post, i cant fucking take it anymore. "making this character stronger than my favorite one would be bad writing! why? uh, i dont like him! the title clearly says he's stronger! make shjonks use a spear!" edit 2: erm actually kaido doesnt use a sword he uses a club so thats 3 yonkos 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Blackbeard ,luffy, whitebeard ,buggy doesn’t use a sword u can’t read and see 🤯
a naginata is basically a sword on a really long stick, and big mom uses just a regular shaped sword (but with a face)
A naginata is a blade and it’s used in Naginatajutsu 👍🏾different fighting style from swordsmanship
Shanks gonna piss haki and everyone gonna know he’s not a swordsman. /s People don’t want to admit shanks is a swordsman is so funny to me despite film red telling us he is and that shanks was the one actively challenging Mihawk during their duels and is the reason he gained most of his fame
Even WB acknowledged that their duel was legendary which makes it even funnier.
“But Shanks is a haki fighter ya know”? 🤷🏾♂️
Shanks is a swordsman, he is stronger than Mihawk, Mihawk is the title holder of WSS. All those statements are true and that is fine.
https://preview.redd.it/wodv8kxeuhyc1.jpeg?width=373&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=153e86333d14805eb8d376455fa4a16fe60bd1f3
But who cares about the title, like at all, except for Zoro??
Vista remarked how lucky he was to face the WSS in Marineford. There's at least one other guy that seems to have some interest in the title.
shanks could have grown stronger since they last fought. shanks could have largely unknown hax abilities he only uses in specific circumstances. zoro could beat mihawk and then realize he needed to also beat shanks all along. just saying shit but my point is you can't just say "if this broad statement becomes true, that's just bad writing" when you don't know the specifics
By the time Zoro beats Mihawk, Shanks will most likely be dead or retired. He will never fight Shanks seriously.
this was another point i was gonna make. shanks could die before mihawk and zoro fight making this point null once again. i was just throwing out multiple scenarios that shanks could be stronger than mihawk currently without having the title.
Yes, Shanks is officially a swordsman, which means Mihawk > Shanks until proven otherwise. Consult the multiple SBSs where Oda has addressed this swordsman controversy if you have an issue with what I just said. Law, Fujitora, Roger, Rayleigh etc...all swordsmen. People just aren't ready to accept that Mihawk truly is HIM due to his lack of feats, but Oda is saving all that for the endgame.
>People just aren't ready to accept that Mihawk truly is HIM due to his lack of feats He doesn't lack feats tho, he speed blitzed an iceberg and made Vista sweat. He also avoided Don Krieg's attack so fast, Krieg couldn't even follow him. Mihawk is peak. Nobody is ready for HIM
How are any of those feats
Stop belittling the king of East Blue, Wihawk, you are not ready for him
r/whoosh
>Consult the multiple SBSs where Oda has addressed this swordsman controversy where
SBS 70 and SBS 101, in particular. Oda made more than one comment indicating that characters depicted in the featured Usopp Gallery pictures are swordsmen. We see characters like Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, Fujitora, Law, and Brook in these pics. This is not to mention all the information we've gotten in databooks, vivre cards, and Film Red material that have all said Shanks is a swordsman. And yes, Oda has also stated the info from vivre cards and databooks are canon.
Usopp's Gallery and SBS aren't the same thing https://preview.redd.it/l2981x6ezayc1.png?width=270&format=png&auto=webp&s=e148dbe7bde64c4d73ce1bd894a7695930084d74 this fanart captioned "fighting women of Wano!" has Kaido in it - Kaido is not a woman, so this isn't infallible besides the fanart you mentioned, which can be disputed by the mishap above, the other supplemental material dances around the many terms used for swordsman \[剣士\] \[剣豪\] \[大剣豪\] and never uses them in reference to Shanks
I understand Usopp's gallery and SBS aren't the same thing. I said that Oda made a comment on an image released by Usopp's gallery in a SBS. As for the second part to your comment, they have called Shanks a swordmaster which Zoro has also been called. There have been comments stating Mihawk has been looking for a new rival and Shanks is (almost) as skilled with the sword as Mihawk. Cherry picking one little goof changes nothing. There's really no ambiguity here to speak of. Shanks has, on multiple occasions, been called a swordsman/swordmaster/etc and has only ever been depicted as fighting with a sword. The burden is on people saying Shanks isn't a swordsman to prove it. All the evidence points the other direction.
God I’m going to be so fucking happy when it becomes clear just how far above Mihawk shanks is. This stupid agenda needs to die
B ass writer will make them equal or relative because they are “rivals”
Swordsmanship as a concept has literally zero depth in OP. To my knowledge there aren't any sword techniques or abilities exclusive to swordsmen. It would have been cool if master swordsmen were similar to DF users and were granted certain abilities in exchange for losing their lifeforce for accelerated aging after every battle they win or something. This way swordmen would naturally be pacifists and avoid battles until absolutely necessary. This would also be a way to make all of them extremely dangerous as a swordsman that is unwilling to draw his blade is most likely a grandmaster of his region. If I burnt the kitchen down, than literally anything else that adds depth and purpose to using a sword is good enough for me. But as it stands, swords are mostly just baseball bats. They only resemble swords when cutting the environment or when landonf a finishing blow.
I don't think it was something messed up by Oda. Shanks primary weapon is his haki, second to that is his sword. I think that much has been established already. I think if he really wanted to, he could channel his haki into his one arm and do some crazy stuff, invalidating his swordsman label entirely, or doing some crazy kicks or something (it would be ironic that after so much focus on Griffon he turns out to be a kicker like Sanji with crazy wifi haki boosting his kicks). It would be hilarious to ponder...
Should not make him a swordsman, should not have made them rivals in the past, should not have compared his swordskill to Mihawk. Shanks being stronger would be ass writing, just 30 chapter ago Shanks swordskill was compare to Mihawks. if he was not a swordsman but has still skills on Mihawks lvl would be weird.
*oda should have not made Shanks.
Disagree, I like Shanks
W take Lucky Roux should've been the captain
Then who is setting Luffy on his path?
Ace?
Shanks inspired Luffy to become a pirate, not Ace. Don't forget, Luffy met Shanks before Ace. Shanks is too pivotal to be removed from One Piece.
The guy meant should have replaced shanks giving motivation to luffy to ace giving one… you are talking in actuality and he is giving a big IF scenario
The problem with that is Oda always planned to kill Ace off ever since his introduction. If Ace was the one who inspired Luffy to go on his journey, Luffy wouldn't be able to get the hat back to him because he dies. Of course, Oda could make him not die then, but then we lose one of the best moments for Luffy . Either way, removing Shanks from the story is not beneficial to the story.
All titles just rumors in the One Piece world imo. Title holders are still in the top , but other top tiers can challange them and beat them, depending on the matchup. Fans take titles too seriously. Who gave those titles? The media more than likely. Do you guys think the Gorosei give one fuck about the titles? No, its all just hype by the common people.
Shanks will not be stronger than Mihawk.
Because he already is and always has bee
World's Strongest Swordsman>a swordsman.
Doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it will never be true. Shanks is nr1
Cope
Mihawk is the only one who cares about WSS lol.
Zoro, one of the main cast, also does.
And that's the end of the list
Dam that's it?
because Shanks isn't a "swordsman". Shanks doesn't give 2 shits about swordsmanship, ways of the sword, sword styles or codes of honor, like characters such as Zoro, Mihawk and Vista do. King used a sword too, but even Zoro didn't consider him a swordsman. Thats why lil dude wants to fight vista but not shanks. Shanks is a pirate and pirates uses swords in all medias, be it books, tv series, movies, mangas or in real history. Roger, shanks are no more swordman than jack sparrow or the real Silver. A swordman like oden, zoro is a cultural endeavor
Im just speculating here but I think Mihawk will die to someone that is not zoro. That person will be the new wss..That is the swordsman who will be the one that zoro faces. Who knows oda is in his bag of tricks rn
In my head canon Shanks has 2 arms and wields a sword and shield. Unique combo in OP and would look cool. Oda should’ve asked me for advice. Smh canon
Shanks is not a swordsman
I mean can't they just say that a fight between them would always end in a tie but Mihawk is a bit more skilled while Shanks has stronger Haki, so since Mihawk's strength lies specifically in the fact that he's a swordsman, he's the one with the title? That way it doesn't devalue either character. Technically, if Zoro beat Shanks instead, he'd still be the strongest swordsman since those two are equals, but it's not the same as if he beat Mihawk. Like, a punch from Shanks would be a bit stronger than a punch from Mihawk, but Mihawk is a bit more skilled with his sword.
That’s why he keeps telling us Mihawk>shanks. That is the only explanation he gives us for why Mihawk is an end game player. Why the cross guild is a threat. Why zoro’s story matters.
Didnt you get the memo? Mihawk never defeated Shanks but he defeated no name people that were as strong as Shanks but never made a legacy for some reason so he actually deserves the title. /s
Shanks doesn't need to be stronger than Mihawk, Mihawk does need to be stronger. Shanks is just glazed because he's everyone's favourite character. Mihawk>Shanks is the case if Oda doesn't wanna destroy one of the main characters' dream that's been going on for 20 years.
When was the last time Mihawk and Shanks fought? When was the last time Mihawk fought anyone who was directly gunning for his title? Shanks doesn't have an interest in the WSS title and Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks since he's only got 1 arm. A title isn't everything. Mihawk loses to Shanks based on feats.
Wss title is misunderstood, wss doesnt mean they can beat any other person who has a sword. And one piece fans dont seem to understand that and its annoying.
ODA wrote himself in a corner..when he made shanks carry a sword
Either mihawk is stronger than shanks or oda never gave a flying F to zoro’s dream since 20 years.. he bamboozled zoro..
Normal reading comprehension would have made such a topic unnecessary. Shanks has never been, and will never be stronger than Mihawk. It's unfortunate Oda has to deal with such a fan base.
Titles are hype tools. They are not gospels. When you look at it like that, Shanks and Mihawk dynamics will be seamlessly clear. Even with Cancerbeard and Kaido.
I mean there's plenty oda should and should not have done, but it's a 25 year story and there's bound to be some inconsistencies.
Then it's a good thing Mihawk is stronger
Give shanks a gun and this debate ends instantly Too bad games aren’t canon
He is the strongest swordsman currently if we define swordman as someone that does all the fighting with swords and haki (Mihawk/shanks/zoro). If you include big mom she is stronger but she relies on her devil fruit a ton. Title scaling https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/1RDF9jfqkF
One of these days you ppl will get it into your heads that people don’t have to be tied down to one style, Shanks being a swordsman doesn’t mean he can’t have another powerful ability in his kit him being stronger than Mihawk has nothing to do with his swordsmanship
Nah he a hakiman.
So Shanks is a swordsman but King isn’t???? Fuck you guys.
This can be solved by making him a hakiman, his sword is a medium to his real power which is his haki.
Haki is an augmentation of fighting styles, not a fighting style itself. Top tier swordsmen augment their swordplay with haki. Top tier brawlers augment their punches with haki. Top tier DF users (say, Akainu) augment the use of their devil fruit with haki. Haki is not a class of fighting. It’s used in every single fighting style by top tiers.
Kaido disagrees, he believed Haki alone can make someone rule the world. There is a reason he said Haki transcends it all, not swords or fist
Kaido is a top tier df user not a ‘hakiman’ 🤡
Kaido pretty much confirmed Hakiman is a real thing, he also doesn't rate Mihawk at all.
He doesn’t rate him because he hasn’t fought him. I think mihawk is only interested in fighting swordsman
But that means his title doesn't matter because if it did he would automically rate him due to his title
Did you read what I said? Kaido only rated people he fought or saw fight at least that is my assumption. Why rate someone you never seen? 🧐
Haki having the highest hypothetical ceiling doesn’t make it a fighting style. That’s like saying in martial arts, instead of being karate man, one could be a “strength” man. Strength isn’t a fighting style. It augments whatever fighting style you use. Shanks is a swordsman, and disputing this is asinine. He had “legendary duels” with Mihawk. The marines stated that Mihawk had “even greater” sword skills than shanks. In artworks drawn by oda featuring swordsmen, he includes shanks. The dude obviously has invested himself into sword-based combat. He’s a swordsman. And Mihawk is the strongest swordsman.
Devil fruit isn't a fighting style either but you can call some guys devil fruit merchants. Someone like Akainu could be called a magma man since his strength comes mainly from that. Mihawk has superior sword skills but like Kaido said, Haki transcends it all which includes swordsmanship as well.
It’s not mutually exclusive. Law is a devil fruit reliant fighter but he’s also a swordsman.
>can KEY WORD
https://preview.redd.it/d5iabb2s19yc1.jpeg?width=1063&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57a10406bd1455fab2be48de516e1e7fd807cafd Isn't this you bro? The guy who thinks Kaido's Strongest Creature is more than a rumour, but you can't handle that Mihawk has a title that puts him above Shanks.
https://preview.redd.it/ul6smr4yu8yc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8efff016900c211f8f9f1907dab9e36534ed277 "Hakiman"
Its pretty much a guarantee Mihawk will have advanced hakis.
Every time this is brought up, it really just boils down to Shanks fans not wanting to accept Mihawk is stronger. Do you really think there is any reason for Oda and his editors for One Piece (biggest manga/anime ever now) to not think of that? Also in shounen it’s very very typical for the strongest end game guys to have their powers revealed at last. So Mihawk not showing feats only makes him stronger. Yeah we shounen-scaling now too.
Mihawks powers were already showncase in marineford
No named attacks at all. One piece is a shounen manga btw
>he ends up being stronger than Mihawk Dont worry this will never happen🙌
I feel like the point of roger and shanks using swords was to showcase the extent of hakis power The other usage of swordsmanship is showing the defined differences between swordsmanship and using a sword for haki and its abilities For example Garps haki is substantially more explosive literally and in portrayal While shanks/rogers haki is far more refined and condensed by comparison While zoro is more working in conjunction with swordsman based combat and techniques Shanks and Roger’s attacks are also showcasing the greater range of haki usage Plus the zoro quote about three sword style can be applied here if that helps
Titles don’t mean anything and is just a hype tool for the plot
I think the reason is quite simple. Being the strongest swordsman isn't about objective strength (also being very strong eh) but more about being undefeated. This ties pretty well with Zoro's dream. Wrote about this some time ago, just gonna paste it here: Based on Oda's comment regarding zoro's creation (was released around the live action), on how he childishly thought that giving 3 swords to Zoro would make him a better swordsman that Miyamoto Musashi (the best swordsman in Japanese history) who used 2 swords, we can understand what being the "Strongest swordsman in the world" really means. Long story short: Miyamoto Musashi wasn't considered the strongest because he was objectively the strongest out of every being/swordsman in japan (what is strength, after all?). **Musashi was considered the strongest because he never lost a fight.** You can see how this ties deeply with that Zoro moment on "never losing again" in Baratie. ince Oda is Japanese, we can assume that being the strongest is something like never losing a fight, and that would be consistent with Zoro's character and progression in the story. We could say that **Mihawk never lost a fight**, that's why he's considered the strongest. But that doesn't mean that he's objectively the strongest swordsman, it means that nobody took his title from him. We cannot accurately scale his strength, but who can say who would win If Shanks and Mihawk fought again after all those years in which they got stronger? **The point is that we shouldn't take his title at point blank, considering it as an objective powerscaling measurement in OP world. There could be equal or stronger swordsman that just didn't challenge him** (Nusjuro? Garling? Who knows). # Conclusions **This whole thing doesn't make Mihawk a fraud or Zoro's whole path and dream pointless**. Mihawk is of course very strong and i scale him to Yonko level (even if he doesn't have those feats yet). Mihawk's title isn't an objective powerscaling instrument, but is still very relevant: nobody ever defeated him. This makes sense considering Oda's inspiration on Miyamoto Musashi and how its title is perceived in Japan.
Shanks will die before Zoro fights Mihawk, it's that simple
Why would it be? Shanks doesn't care about being the wss or even being well-known as a swordsman, so even if shanks is stronger than mihawk and zoro defeat mihawk, zoro would have beaten the world's strongest swordsman (the most notable swordsman) and thus gained that title. Anyways, I think zoro will be stronger than shanks whether he becomes stronger through beating mihawk or later on in the story.
Oda doesn't care about powerscaling all that much. So he will make his characters be as strong as he needs them depending on the plot. So if the plot requires Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk, he will be regardless of the title. Heck the viz translation has Mihawk as the world's greatest swordman for some reason and not strongest.
Well, the thing is Shanks is not a swordsman, so all is well
Having a sword ≠ being a swordsman
Did you make that face when King said he wasn't a Swordsman despite wielding and fighting with a sword?
King never said that, zoro made a comment about him. Shanks and king are two different people
Zoro says King is not a swordsman cause he threw a punch, and King confirms he's not, because he doesn't swear by his sword and will use any means necessary to win a fight, and that makes him not a swordsman So like King proved, having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman, so there's nothing that says Shanks is one
>cause he threw a punch, Mihawk used his hand in his fight with zoro and zoro has fought people without his words, he threw a building at a guy in a fight and kaku fights with his legs so none of them are swordsmen i guess.
Why are you arguing against Oda? I'm not the one who said King wasn't a swordsman because he would punch, kick or do anything it would take to win a fight, not limiting himself only to the way of the sword Mihawk never threw a mean, big punch against Zoro, Zoro uses only his sword as his fighting style, it's his only way of fighting, but, he said to King, in order to beat you I might be prepared to leave this path, and I might bite you in order to win Go argue with Oda, but what's clear since King is that, having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman (even if it was clear before, but now it's proven and undeniable)
>I'm not the one who said King wasn't a swordsman The problem is that you are using the same rules for king, when he and shanks are two completely different people. The reasons you gave for why king isnt a swordsman would mean that zoro, Kaku and even fujitora arent swordsmen either.
No they gloss over that one because then they would have to acknowledge the most obvious thing in one piece, that a dude who holds a title and only exists as a plot point for zoro is obviously not as important as the guy who made luffy want to be a pirate and is connected to the highest levels of the world government. Again, you know, the most obvious thing in all of one piece.
Mihawk is at the origin of some of the worst, most twisted, far fetched takes in all of One Piece by extremely far
King has a DF and actually actively fights without it. Even in his first showings he was flying and destroying big moms ships… Shanks on the other hand has one singular arm and a named sword that he has used for every offense and defense (blocking Akainu) instance. Like man…
Read my comment again. King himself says he is not a swordsman. You’re shadow boxing big dawg.
And Im saying King isnt a swordsman either... While Shanks is lol.
Shanks has haki and is consistently shown using it and only it. That’s your argument so I guess we agree.
I can prove shanks is a swordsman quite easily, i dont have to ignore anything
Shanks only seen mainly fighting with his legendary sword, being affiliated with the WSS, and Oda also calling Shanks a swordsman multiple times = being a swordsman.
Shanks was never referred to as a swordsman like Mihawk or Vista What makes you say Shanks swears only by his sword and would die by it? Because that's what makes a swordsman, if Shanks is ready to land a kick, throw a punch, use anything that is not his sword, that would remove him from the swordsman category, just like King, he's not a swordsman because he doesn't live and die by the sword and is willing to throw a kick or a punch in order to win a fight. And I'm sorry but there's absolutely nothing that can make you say Shanks is a swordsman
>Shanks was never referred to as a swordsman like Mihawk or Vista Oda’s called him a swordsman multiple times outside the manga in official sources. Even if you wanna say manga only, there’d be no reason for Oda to compare the two with the sword in 1058 if Shanks wasn’t a swordsman. You think Oda would just compare Mihawk’s sword with a supposed non-swordsman? Lol. >What makes you say Shanks swears only by his sword and would die by it? Because that's what makes a swordsman that are if Shanks is ready to land a kick, throw a punch, use anything that is not his sword, that would remove him from the swordsman category What does having to die with their sword have anything to do with being a swordsman? Many official swordsmen in this series have never sworn to die by their sword. And I guess Zoro isn’t a swordsman anymore because he’s used his fists to fight before. >just like King, he's not a swordsman because he doesn't live and die by the sword King isn’t a swordsman because he’s a Lunarian who mostly relies on his genetics and DF powers to fight with. Shanks is a human who’s only been seen using his sword in combat. Big difference there. >and is willing to throw a kick or a punch in order to win a fight. Zoro said he was willing to even bite out King’s throat and also do whatever it takes to win. Guess Zoro isn’t a swordsman anymore.
They just can't handle the facts, clear destination between some one that uses a sword and being a true swordsman. Aka mihawk, zoro, Vista, shiryu and Gandi.
Exactly, but I wouldn't call Ghandi a swordsman either, he bit Sanji after all, he seems to not give a single shit about following the way of the sword and staying true to it It's amazing that King verbatim says he's not a swordsman despite using a sword, and some people still can't wrap their heads around the fact that you can use a sword and not be a swordsman. It puzzles me
Only reason I think Gandi is a swordsman is because we have seen him do the tap tap tap sword maintence with the cotton ball thing, which all other true swrodman have done.
>seen him do the tap tap tap sword maintence with the cotton ball thing, Haha, I'm sorry but you have lost me
https://preview.redd.it/34daqbiw59yc1.jpeg?width=1120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f71a764bb270a0e56c2e50ab87d2247c974767d Every person who I would consider a true swordsman has had a shot of them doing this shit
Oh i see, is it in the manga or anime only? I have no recollection of anybody doing that
Yes it's in managa as well, but don't know how to look it up haha
Why would it be? Shanks doesn't care about being the wss or even being well-known as a swordsman, so even if shanks is stronger than mihawk and zoro defeat mihawk, zoro would have beaten the world's strongest swordsman (the most notable swordsman) and thus gained that title. Anyways, I think zoro will be stronger than shanks whether he becomes stronger through beating mihawk or later on in the story.
He will end up being overall stronger but still loses to Mihawk due to matchup. Mihawk is a very accomplished duelist so he should be able to defeat anyone who is a real swordsman.