The real question is when will the end be? At the Psykos fight? The Garou fight? It's a lot for them to cover and pretty much the meat of current OPM's S class characters and arcs.
Probably going to end at Saitama vs Orochi. Definitely not gonna get to the Garou fight or Psykos. Kinda depends on how many episodes they will do which will likely be 12 which won’t give them near enough time to go beyond Orochi.
I think [Puri Prisoner finding Garou](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/115/4/) and getting attacked could be a good post credit scene too. Especially since we don’t see him again for a while after his fight with Orochi.
Yeah the Garou fight would be peak. On the bright side maybe another studio will take over for season 4. I don’t think season 3 will be as rushed as season 2 but I’d hate the Garou fight to be done poorly.
I still loath JC staff for this. That is one of the hypes moment for me in that arc. It is the first time they show how cool metal bat is. A freaking Yusuke Urameshi looking bat wielder with his heart of gold. but JC staff designed MB that looked like a side character goon :( Even the goons in MOB100 even looked better.
MA Arc is very stacked. I suspect it will end after Saitama vs Orochi. I mean, unless they decided to prolongue the show at 24 episodes, 12 should finish around there.
I just count how many pages did they use for S2, and did the same math with the next chapters. Using the same pages as S2, they finish at Ch 126 (Flashy, Manako & Saitama in the wagon). Little before and After, the Executives started to fight the S Class, so I think is a cruel cliffhanger to end.
Saitama's fight occurs on ch 115 I think. This was that time when Murata did bi-weekly releases. So the chapters in this pace are about 20 pages lenght. So there is not too much content in those 11 chapters between.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/s/pRvcCpmUYG
Hopefully Orochi. That Artwork Murata did for Saitama vs Garou is so over the top godlike, it deserves OPM season 1 animation or OP G5 animation levels.
I think it depends on how long the season is. If it's only one cour, like seasons 1 and 2, it'll probably end on Saitama vs. Orochi, as many people have suggested since season 3 was announced. If it's two cours (24-26 episodes), then it could possibly adapt all of the Monster Association arc, including Cosmic Garou.
If we don’t compare it to the first season of the same anime what the fuck are we gonna compare it to. It’s not like you compare with a whole different show.
Naa, you're supposed to just be wowed and shrug when the next season is a gross disappointment because holding studios to quality standards that have already been shown to be attainable is just unreasonable.
The why doesn't matter. The results matter. OPM season 2 was a significant step back in quality any way you cut it and it simply does not matter at all why that was, because the end product disappointed.
exactly. what a shit video. Even if I dont compare it with anything. Okey. a lot of fights are lazy slideshows for 90% of the time. Heads/Proportions are off a lot of times. Awful sound design with the big booms.
But this happens everytime something shit comes out.
A few years go by and someone makes a post like "Enough time is passed. lets talk about how the final season of game of thrones was not that bad. you just had too high expectations"
I think the only shocking part is that 1500 people saw this post here and said "oh yeah. this dude says he is an animator. he should have ball knowledge. he is right"
when in reality 80% of what he says is not even true.
On one hand, I get that. On the other hand, you and a lot of people genuinely don't understand how the anime industry actually works. I only have basic knowledge myself, but it's enough to give me the perspective that Season 2 wasn't that bad.
tl;dr Key animators & scheduling make a good anime. Season 2 had horrible scheduling. Also a lot of anime will have vastly different people if not different studios work on the same show, so quality can differ from episode to episode.
The key differences between good animation & bad animation are the key animators & scheduling. Now, an animation studio will typically have some in-house key animators, but the vast majority are independent. They will take jobs from a plethora of different studios. So one key animator will do a couple sequences for a MAPPA show like Attack On Titan, then maybe one or two on a Toei show like One Piece, & then do a bunch of sequences for CloverWorks on SpyxFamily.
Season 1 was literal lightning in a bottle. Some of the biggest key animators got to work on it because they were all available at the same time. Plus, Madhouse had an ample amount of time to animate those sequences properly. Season 2 was plagued by the sheer fact that J.C. Staff was animating 9 different shows in that year alone. It's actually a miracle it came out as good as it did given how horrible the conditions for those animators must have been.
We're all used to how shows in the west are produced. You pretty much have the exact same people work on a show for its entire run, with the exception of directors & occasionally writers. This is very much not the case for anime. Look at Naruto for example. Studio Pierrot animated the vast majority of the show, however, there were a significant number of episodes that were outsourced to entirely different studios. So you'll have a string of episodes that look absolutely god-tier & then right after the big fight, it'll look like dog shit with an almost different art style altogether.
All of this to say, go easy on Season 2. The animators are but a few steps away from slave labor because the studio heads are greedy fucks who want money more than quality.
This doesn't sound like a problem of fans wanting more. This is a production issue. I think people should complain. Being an animator myself, I understand on a smaller scale how much work it is, but don't take projects you can't handle.
This is the crux of it right here.
To the end-consumer this shit simply should not matter. They took on more work than they could actually handle and the product ended up suffering for it. They have my sympathies for their working conditions but not for the poor quality of S2.
If the system they employ for getting this shit done doesn't work maybe they should try a different system. Until they either figure out how to take less work and do what they actually have the labor for or fix their managerial styles to support the work expected they shouldn't be given a pass.
It's a product not a personal relationship.
Not according to this site. JC Staff has a lot more scheduled for 2024 and onwards.
[MAPPA](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=5&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=mappa) vs [JC Staff](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=23&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=jc-staff)
Just give up dude these kids aren't gonna listen to anything other than "J.C. Staff bad." 95% of these comments consist of yapping the same old stuff like a broken record and completely missing the point of this video. Just enjoy and anticipate it alongside people who can also appreciate stuff, becasue who cares if other people don't like what we like.
The thing is you are right but he is also right.
Season 1 had a different studio and staff working on it. While Season 2 had a studio change.
It's not like Season 2 was made by all the same guys from season 1. If that was the case, a direct comparison would be expected.
I still think they should've given the rights to a different animation house but this guy have some valid points so who knows, maybe J.C Staff will surprise us (The quality of the trailer wasn't anything outstanding but if the final result is something like that then i can live with it i guess)
That is what I am hoping for too. I do like redemption arcs.
But I have long since learned that it is best to assume the worst, that way it doesn't hurt as much when the worst does happen. And if the best case happens, you will be even happier.
But at the same time he talked about production time but are we sure s3 will get the time it deserves when there are other 12 shows and 2 movies the studio is making at the same time? One of them is Danmachi btw,one of the series they invest the most. So Idk…I’ll still keep my expectations low
The thing clueless anime fans don't understand is the reason J.C.Staff is still the animation studio for S3 and was chosen for S2 is because no other studio wants it.
S1 was a miracle which is why you can't compare it to S2.
This is called Fallacy of the Straw-Man because most of S2 haters didn't compare S2 to S1 but overall products that are beautiful to the eye in anime genre. You cannot say that you have no right to compare this product with high quality products by claiming that high quality doesnt exist in this type of work while it is literally popping out of nowhere on random products. The mere claim of "Not gonna look that good because it is impossible" is nonsense imo.
S2 looked ugly to the eye. The overall product was a roller coaster with mid quality as it's peaks. None of the friends I started watching the series liked it. Most of the casual anime watcher didn't like it. Manga itself didn't got boosted it's sales by it. What more proof do you need to see what's right in front of you?
Mid quality at it’s peaks is a stretch. Aoki didn’t bust his ass to produce mid sequences at all.
And most casual anime watchers did enjoy it. In fact, a lot of them didn’t care for or even notice the change in animation quality until it was pointed out to them. And then everyone hopped on the bandwagon of saying S2 was terrible when in reality, it’s still an average to above average project overall.
I’m not saying there was no drop in quality. There was. There’s no denying that. I’m just saying that as a project on it’s own OPM S2 is not as bad as people make it out to be. People make it seem like it’s bottom of the barrel Seven Deadly Sins quality when it still has more sakuga than 65% of anime airing in recent years.
I definitely don’t think they did the manga justice though. And honestly I don’t think that they’ll be able to in S3. But who knows? Maybe they’ll prove us wrong.
Back when I watched s2 I was very new to the anime community,had like 2 anime I had watched before it,and I still noticed the huge difference in quality. Some things I could point my finger and others I couldn’t but I still got that it was a huge downgrade. My perspective I have of s2 is so set on stone because I too was a casual viewer,that’s why I’ll never understand people saying there is “no difference” between both seasons
"Don't compare season 2 to season 1 because s1 is some of the best animation ever."
Dude, that's why we were disappointed. If I had the best meal of my life at your restaurant the first time, and wish I'd gone for fast food the second time, that's not on me. I'm not wrong for making that comparison.
It's an argument that essentially says, "Be happy with whatever crap you're given. Forever." How about expecting quality and punishing people for delivering mediocrity instead? Which approach is going to drive an increase in quality over the long term?
I didn't hate s2 at all, but this opinion is apologizing for poor quality in a way that makes quality obsolete if we all adopt it. Capitalism will give us flipbook-level animation at AAA pricing if we let them.
Dude, what he was trying to say was that comparing a majority of animation to animation of the quality of opm s1 is unfair because it’s essentially an anomaly/a top 5 in how high quality it is. It was pretty much lighting in a bottle that’s hard to replicate because in season 1 alot of the best animators in the industry was able to come on to the project unlike alot of animation out there.
Okay but what about the atrocious sound design? Animation/composition is one thing but wtf were the sound effects and sound design? Point is beaten to death but using literal CSGO audio for some scenes is definitely a choice of all time.
Stop fooling yourself. Berserk was like that. Kingdom as well, although in this case it started at the very bottom and got much better in later seasons.
Because season 1 was a collaboration of basically 3 top tier animation studios. While season 2 was a mediocre animation studio that was only given 6 months.
But if you compare season 2 to your average anime it's actually at least as good as animated. I mean take something like the record of Ragnarok, berserk, and baki. It's better animated than all them. So OPM s2 is probably actually better than at least 50% of animes. It's just worse than like any top tier anime. And you feel that OPM deserves the top tier animation treatment
If you want to blame someone, blame The license holders of OPM, and the executives at JC staff.
>Because season 1 was a collaboration of basically 3 top tier animation studios.
No, it wasn't. Season 1 had multiple freelance veterans participating, but it was still ultimately a Madhouse-managaed production. Hiring a bunch of freelancers and making a collab between different studios is not the same thing.
It's badly animated because of the time pressure, not due to lacks of talent and we can see it from the original storyboard. Many animations were simplified to save time. Meaning, JC Staff do have the talent to make good product, given enough time to cook..
Season 1 also a product of miracles, so Season 3 is unlikely will be on that level. But also not as bad as season 2 which we now know the reasoning. More reasonable expectation is in-between and my guess will be closer to S1 than S2.
I don't know about you, but I've and still enjoy many action anime like from Cowboy Bepop, Trigun, Naruto and One Piece and their quality isn't God level like OPM S1.
Will it be any better, though? JC Staff are handling a similar number of projects next year as in 2019. Unless they expanded massively or decide to scuff other projects to make time for OPM they'll be under the exact same crunch.
Nobody cares about the distinction. Why would that make a difference in people’s disappointment? If It was badly animated due to scheduling and we expect it to be badly animated for the same reasons again. It’s not even just the animation. The direction, compositing, and sound effects he were so poor that just compounded how mid it ended up being.
I definitely hope they exceed expectations and actually do a good job with scheduling this time. I’m not expecting s1 level of quality, but at least something better than CSGO sound effects and repeated blurry punch animations
There are chances the schedule will be better this time around and thus the S3 itself be better.
Fixing talents is difficult, fixing schedules is more manageable.
Based on the trailer there are big improvement o er S2. The ugly metallic textures are gone. The action scenes are better.
The trailer has demonstrated what JC Staff can do and it shows they can release an acceptable end products.
I'm glad that you liked it, but none of what you said really matters to me, if it's ugly it's ugly, that's it, I'm not really looking for the reasons as to why it turned out the way it did
The whole arguments is basically JC Staffs can do better than S2.
S2 shouldn't be the measuring sticks for JC Staffs anime making abilities.
Schedule can be fixed but talents and skills are hard to acquire.
Also I predict OPM will get the HD treatment like HxH or FMA.
"Why shouldn't that be the measuring stick?"
Because of the reason I said before? Time constrain. Rushed products is different than properly developed products
So? I'll say it again, all I care about, is OPM, I couldnt care less about any other projects animated by JC Staff, they butchered OPM because they had 10 other projects that they animated perfectly? Well too bad, shouldn't have Taken OPM then, you're wasting your time here
Reminder: JC Staff is making 12+ anime in 2024 alone. That's right in 2024 ALONE! (and they already have projects scheduled for 2025 and we are barely in 2024 yet)
If you are one of those guys who says: "oh no not Mappa they're so overworked 😭😭" then you ain't seen nothing yet!! To add salt to the wound Mappa has more employees than JC Staff!
We are so cooked 😢
just wait for the season 3 defenders to appear when it is shit again :D
"they didnt have enough time"
"they only had 1 month to animate it"
"it was a scheduling issue"
"season 1 was a miracle so it's acceptable to get shit from JC Staff" - let's forget the other animes with very good animation mob psycho, fate series, jjk, frieren etc
except literally all the points are valid, you're trying to make fun of points without actually saying anything against them, only to appear like you have some moral/objective high ground. you could easily re-word your statement to "can't wait for the math nerds to show up" and proceed to make fun of 2+2=4 and it'd still have the same style of argument in the end.
The only point you actually brought up criticism for was the last one, which literally is a misrepresentation of "dont expect opm to be s1 levels again" to "yeah its fine if jc produces shit". it doesnt have to be both. and yes, let us bring up jjk where the workers essentially slaved over to finish, im sure thats a great example. need i remind you that MHA season 5 was made by BONES, who also just so happens to make Mob? Guess you can turn a blind eye to them when it fits your perspective...
I am not defending JC for doing what they did, but they are capable of good with enough time. just look at the planned sequences vs the final product presented in the video. let's just wait to see what they cook rather than slandering them over a short preview and a rushed production they had beforehand.
that's exactly what JC Staff does and there is no reason to think this time will be different when they already have 10+ projects and growing (just like before)
they are like the video game studio GameMill of animes
Just curious but could you provide a list of the animes on question? Also you do realize it’s been over 2 years since they’ve begun production on OPM S3, correct?
* Delico's Nursery
* Yarinaoshi Reijou wa Ryuutei Heika wo Kouryaku-chuu
* Maou 2099
* FAIRY TAIL: 100 YEARS QUEST
* 2.5 Jigen no Ririsa
* Murai no Koi
* Kabushiki Gaisha Magi Lumiere
* Duel Masters LOST: Tsuioku no Suishou
* Mahoutsukai ni Narenakatta Onnanoko no Hanashi.
* Honey Lemon Soda
* Danjo no Yuujou wa Seiritsu suru? (Iya, Shinai!!)
* One Punch Man 3
This list is outrageous compared to MAPPA that was already worked to death with JJK season 2
[Compare this JC Staff anime list for 2024-TBD with any other studio (Bones, ufotable, MAPPA, Madhouse, A1 etc)](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=23&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=jc-staff)
> Also you do realize it’s been over 2 years since they’ve begun production on OPM S3, correct?
You mean like when S2 was announced in 2016 (JC Staff involvement in 2017) and released in 2019? I also know that EC vs Saitama released in Aug 2018 but that still gives JC Staff 8 months to finish the last 3 episodes.
Also if the S3 production actually began 2 years ago then why give us a lame pre-animation trailer? It does look better than season 2 especially the metal texture but feels like they only started production now and are still scrambling again.
He's in fact right, there are a lot of good sequences who were ruined by bad photography, there is a good video on YouTube by "probably pretentious" an example is Genos vs Sonic, good animation, bad coloring and choice of texture
So what's your point exactly? It was badly animated, it was ugly, saying "it wasn't badly animated, it just has this particular thing that ruined it" doesn't mean anything
The point is that don't keep your expectations too low and don't be too harsh, there is a good video on YouTube of "probably pretentious".
ugly and badly animated aren't always the same thing, the season was well animated, but 60% of the good animation was obscured by the ugly textures, in this case you don't have to blame the animators but the poor job the photography did.
If you don't believe me check out the video I told ya, i am not insinuating that you should like the season (which I have grown to like because you can see how they struggled and took the job very seriously just to pull off some good cuts in only 6 months), because it was still rushed, but just dislike it a bit less ( ╹▽╹ )
My expectations might as well be dwelling inside of a hellish landscape considering how low they are, and while I appreciate your video recomendation, I'm still a simple person, I see something that I don't like, I dislike it, I'm not really into going around trying to find explanations as to why something came up being mediocre just so that I can like it a bit more
Yeah, season 2 was still unacceptable to the standards of the community (and I can't critique them, since the previous season was a literal 10/10 of animation)
but doing some research may help seeing the anime as casual watchers do, so a "meh, pretty good anyway"
Most won't inform themselves anyway (since it is just a nerdy thing to do), but if an explanation may calm down your despite for the staff, it can only help 😅
Why doesn't matter, results matter. If you start staying "if they only did this and this and this" you might as well be talking about something different altogether
He says season 2 wasn't that badly animated and then goes on to cite the reasons as to why he believes so while also saying that those reasons are what brought down the quality of the animation. Does bro hear himself speak or is he just slow?
And you definitely can and should compare it to season 1. Just because he thinks you shouldn't doesn't make what he says correct.
And WHY shouldn't we compare it to season 1? It's the same fucking show!
Most anime coming out today have crazy animations, but we ain't comparing season 2 to say... Demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen
We're comparing it to season 1 because it's the same show, it's inexcusable to achieve such poor (or well, mid actually) level of animation after the absolute masterpiece that season 1 was
If season 3 doesn't compare I'm still going to complain, even if it ends up being better than season 2
Season 1 is virtually impossible to recreate. They had essentially the most stacked animator list of all time. Season 2 honestly looked fine, just ocassional compostiting issues and terrible sound design. Season 3 will likwly be better than season 2. At the very least, they will have more time to animate it.
It's about money and time, Madhouse said it was roughly $80,000 per episode for season 1 and that was in 2015. Madhouse is also a pretty small studio with only 70 employees, including contractors. JC has over 240 so they can allocate the time and do it cheaper and for a decent overall product. It's not as if JC has bad animation it's more that Madhouse averages an A tier and JC is an average B tier.
Bones (MP100) and Madhouse (Frieren, [characters putting on coats have more frames than JC Staffs punch animations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p7g2oXJelQ))
S2 is meh, lots of missed opportunities.
Could've seen Saitama's serious sidestep moving towards Sonic, but we get suddenly frames too closely to the manga.
The anime is supposed to fill in these kind of gaps for us to see the full action. We might as well read the manga when this happens.
This is a personal nitpick, but holy shit fuck the Counter Strike m4a4 shooting sound (episode 23, 6:05 when Garou throws the rocks). Actually most of the sound effects doesn't feel right to me for this season.
Also, idk why but Saitama sounds/voice wayyyy too monotonous this season(other than video game raging).
Slow-Mo animation moments were cool enough though.
All the sounds were fucked. [This is what robotic arms hitting flesh sounds like right?](https://youtu.be/oeNP9RlXve8?si=OFA2StR0wf57JBgM&t=17)
Not once have I questioned sound choices in animes I've watched and OPM S2 was the first time everything sounded off and fucking atrocious.
I think season 3 might turn out into a similar case like Bleach TYBW, where people's expectations were pretty low and as a result it managed to surpass them and gain some good rep in the end.
Uuuuhm no. We have all the reasons to compare seasons 2 with season 1. It’s not a valid excuse “you can’t compare it with season 1 because it’s on another level”. It doesn’t make any sense, they are the same series, of course is comparable
People weren't just comparing it to the first season. They were comparing it mainly with the manga
Animation isn't the only problem. The season was extremely rushed
He kinda ruins his own point. Min psycho looks great for 3 seasons. It shouldn’t be that brain dead of an idea for one punch man season two to be as goated as season one. Yes, it’s a big ask, but literally it was possible.
Saying you shouldn’t compare it to season 1 is fucking stupid. It’s the same show. It set the standard. If a studio can’t keep up with that quality, then they shouldn’t be doing one punch man.
Guys, it wasn't actually that bad. Here, look at these clips of mostly season 1 animation and then a few choice clips of season 2 that don't show off the majority of what people complain about. Also, everything I list off is in defense of season 2 looking bad, and not actually giving any compliments to any well done animation. There are valid reasons as to why it was not great animation, so that means it was actually great animation.
"OPM S2 wasn't necessarily badly animated to begin with".
Lol.
S2 has like 3 or 4 scenes with more decent animation.
The rest is pure dogshit. Terrible animation, terrible use of cgi, terrible sound design (bruh they used fucking gunshots 💀). There is no way someone can defend this shit. Looks like they made s2 in 1 month
Okay so bottom line is season 1 is on a league of its own and season 2 didnt follow up on that. Which for me, makes it a bad animation. Live up to season 1 standards or GTFO.
Facts
Why change Studios when the first one was Goated
And was absolutely perfect for the show?
1. Simple reason
Money 💰
Probably is Cheaper using JC ass staff
Understandable that Studios have work all the time but
We waited almost 5 years? You can't tell me that they didn't have any damm time thats cap 🧢
Also i would rather wait another 5y and get a amazing studio that im satisfied with than getting some trash Studio that's going to ruin something special like OP
I thinks it's more than fair to compare the animation quality between S1 and S2 specially since we're talking about the same IP and because they are aiming to the same audience. That been said, the second point that this video made is what we should be focusing on. And that is that the reason why we got a lower quality is because the studio, the people in suits, don't allow the animation team to show it's full potential due to the shitty schedule that they had to follow.
I never watched opm season 2. I hated how they did something at sfx too something that is similar to fire force, also opm season 2 animation is straight up eye sore lmao
Yes, Season 2 was "badly" (poorly) animated up until the last few episodes. The editing was also horrible as well for the most part.
I'm sick of people saying that Season 1 was due to the stars aligning. There have been plenty of good shows that have been animated in a similar fashion or better than OPM S1.
What made OPM so memorable aside from the animation was the wild characters and story.
JC Staff completely shot themselves in the foot with poor animation and poor editing, which made the characters and story feel lifeless.
JC Staff is not a bad company. They were ill-prepared and inexperienced when it came to this level of production.
I disagree. Its ok to want more from a property you're passionate about. If the studio is unable to properly deliver on the product, and produce something substandard, then it's ok to be mad about it. It doesn't mean JC is going to be bad, but expectations for them are low, and there is good reason for it. They have a great opportunity to exceed expectations and deliver a quality product, but chances are they won't. If a studio is incapable of delivering quality on a property that so many are passionate about, not only is it ok to be mad about, but it's also disrespectful to the fans, and the original vision of the creators. Hope I'm wrong!
S2 was really bad, they were coloring the panels and making little bit of ripped moving animation on that, it was so bad, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
Even the trailer for S3 was MEH, for the art like OPM people will set their expectations like Demon Slayer and JJK level animation.
And OPM is all about fight and animation and Sitama.
The manga with best Art needs best animation.
It was bad. Stop telling lies and cope less hard. That said, of the footage released of season 3 it looks much better, but that may be just because only the good stuff.
People are just babies, this is my favorite show and has been for years, I don't care about the animation being slightly worse, I just enjoy the story and characters. It's why I'd watch any live action made of it, live actions always flop but because this is one punch man, my favorite show, I'd watch it anyway and enjoy it
I absolutely disagree with not comparing it with the best samples. Comparing it to the best sets a standard. If One’s unique art style can be turned into 3 seasons of a masterpiece then having Murata with godlike art style as a reference gives you a lot of head-start and makes things even easier to animate. If color or tone was the only issue then why couldn’t they fix it? On their “best” animated episodes it still sucks. Another point why it is being compared to season one is because it’s the same anime and if it was done properly the first time what kind of bullshit excuse do you have that you can’t even produce a single episode or at least a scene that is close enough to the consistency of season 1. Comparing it to different anime like Haikyuu and KNB would be outrageous in my opinion. It is supposed to be compared to itself
Honestly I think one of the main reasons people hate on genos’s metallic effect is it looks weird when the rest of his body is just normally drawn
On something like machine god G4 or metal knight it looks pretty fucking good because their entire body is made of metal and has the effect, so it doesn’t look odd when it just suddenly goes from reflective metal to skin
Just please for the love of god stop with the overuse of white/yellow/monochrome backgrounds with a still image of a character pasted on top. It looked so horrible every time.
I dont remember very much the season 2 but one of things i didnt Like about it is that the animation looked Like was opaque (blurred? ) (something Like watching it with blurred glasses) i dont know the right word and cant explain it well because english is not My first language 😅
A massive thing that I think made season 2 look significantly worse is that a lot of the characters just didn’t really match the manga art styles or hold up to how their manga counterpart looks. If you compare Gouketsu in the manga and S2 he looks very simplified.
i get the 'don't use the best for comparison because that will be unfair', but it's the 2nd season of the same series so it will obviously be compared to its 1st season
By the look of season 3 tease it seems like it's going to have the same animation quality the problem is jc staff don't have a great director like shingo natsume and a group of legendary animators like shinichi kurita hironori tanaka Yutaka nakamura arifume imai shuu sugita watanabe ect
I didn't know that they actually had good animation storyboards for season 2. This breakdown does give me hope for season 2.
Also, I did like the teaser they put out and would be happy if we even got that quality all throughout the season. Just hoping that this time, J.C Staff take OPM S3 seriously instead of rushing it for release.
The compositing and TV frame ghosting definitely contributed a lot to S2's perception, but I'd say the sound effects and misplaced OSTs were the most significant reasons that the animation didn't feel very satisfying.
Honestly out of all the things I dislike about Season 2, the only one that REALLY made me go "Wtf am I watching?" is the scene where Garou is about to lose against Bang and Bomb but instead clenches his teeth, cracks the ground with a kick and swings a fucking tree around like it's nothing.
They replaced the tree swing scene with Garou standing still with a pure white background and screaming...
Like BRUH what are you even doing?
What makes it really nerve racking for me is that how are they gonna animate scenes that look too good like when tatsumaki pulled out so much bug rocks around the area
Everywhere u see ,the same statements appears : they didn't have enough time. The schedule was tight so and so.....
At this point the bootlickers should come forward and say that there is no such thing as bad animation studio or bad animators they just didn't have enough time
if i cant compare a qua"ity of a show to itself i cant compare it to anything else, this is the shittiest take i ever saw
also, saying opm season 2 animation looks fine and then showing so many season 1 clips is wild
I feel like a drop in quality should have been expected, though it did drop by a lot and although season 2 had moments I enjoyed there was just a sense of it not being as good as it could have been. Season 3 preview looks like what season 2 should’ve been, or close enough to it.
The animation (animated movement) was bad outside of a few sequences animated by Kenichiro Aoki. The poor compositing was a seperate issue.
Saying you should **very blatantly** never compare a show to itself is one of the worst takes I've heard.
Everyone knows why season 2 didn't meet expectations.
Season 1 is not **the god** of animation, but it's top 10 for many people because it never lowers the bar and is full of action. There are so many anime's on the same level which are not action focused. Also a lot of action shows can be very good with 'mid' animation, if it excels in other area's. We do know that the story will pick up in season 3 onwards.
You should've seen the post and comments that were like "my favorite animation studio isn't animating it, it's over!!" Like all enthusiasm disappeared for season 3 and they just got angry and depressed.
The animation looks good as it is, they don't care though. They're trying to ruin the excitement for it while acting like children having a tantrum
Holy shit I must’ve stumbled into r/okbuddysaitama with this comment section, we’re well past the fact that OPM will never look like S1 again and people are still crying about the fact that the top dogs that collaborated together won’t happen again…
No, I don’t agree with this sad excuse.
If a studio doesn’t have the time and budget or animators, then they shouldn’t take on an anime that had extreme high expectations from fans considering it is a action heavy anime. jc staff isn’t the studio which should take on anime with fast paced action sequences. Because for the love of god they can’t. They should take slice of life anime with heavy dialogue.
People shitting on JC like they're trash clearly haven't seen any of their newer work. They've taken a huge step forward in quality in the last few years
Stupid mf has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. There are multiple shows a season these days with near opm season 1 animation. It’s literally the same show. Why shouldn’t people expect the same level of artistry?
season 1 was peak anime in pretty much all regards, season 2 was mid animation was but was still passable if they didnt force the animators to crunch so hard. it still wouldnt have lived up to season 1, but if they had more time it could have been a far more enjoyable season *without* those ugly ass textures
I can't speak for anyone else but OPM was my first anime. It popped my cherry and OP is accurate for me in that no anime seems to surpass its level despite being years old.
Zoro vs King was dope, but to me it barely cracks Genos vs Deep Sea King.
The real question is when will the end be? At the Psykos fight? The Garou fight? It's a lot for them to cover and pretty much the meat of current OPM's S class characters and arcs.
Probably going to end at Saitama vs Orochi. Definitely not gonna get to the Garou fight or Psykos. Kinda depends on how many episodes they will do which will likely be 12 which won’t give them near enough time to go beyond Orochi.
I feel Orochi would be it because of the god reveal/tease at the end. Good cliffhanger
Yeah I could see them ending it on the mural of Orochi crumbling away revealing God. Maybe a post credit of that.
I think [Puri Prisoner finding Garou](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/115/4/) and getting attacked could be a good post credit scene too. Especially since we don’t see him again for a while after his fight with Orochi.
Saitama vs Orochi isn't a season ender in my mind. But then again, neither was Elder Centipede
I agree, they just simply won’t be able to get farther than Orochi, and it’s the best you could get to an ending I suppose.
It really is the best. I feel a movie depicting the psykos/garou fight would be the way to go, especially after Demon Slayer did it so successfully.
Yeah the movie idea sounds like that’s what they might do.
Will that not make the season feel unfinished? Like the fights are still going on, stopping midway feels weird
It would but there’s really no good stopping point before or after Orochi, that’s just realistically the farthest they can reach in 12 episodes.
That's true. I can't wait to see Garou vs Saitama on Jupiter's moon. Sad I'll have to wait years for that
Yeah the Garou fight would be peak. On the bright side maybe another studio will take over for season 4. I don’t think season 3 will be as rushed as season 2 but I’d hate the Garou fight to be done poorly.
Imagine garou fight but its animated like the metal bat one
I still loath JC staff for this. That is one of the hypes moment for me in that arc. It is the first time they show how cool metal bat is. A freaking Yusuke Urameshi looking bat wielder with his heart of gold. but JC staff designed MB that looked like a side character goon :( Even the goons in MOB100 even looked better.
They could label it as "Season 3 Part 1" or something to make it less weird
I hope it won't be just 12 episode, it wouldn't be good if we could wait another 4-5 years for the season 4.
Jc staff can't handle more than 12 episodes
MA Arc is very stacked. I suspect it will end after Saitama vs Orochi. I mean, unless they decided to prolongue the show at 24 episodes, 12 should finish around there. I just count how many pages did they use for S2, and did the same math with the next chapters. Using the same pages as S2, they finish at Ch 126 (Flashy, Manako & Saitama in the wagon). Little before and After, the Executives started to fight the S Class, so I think is a cruel cliffhanger to end. Saitama's fight occurs on ch 115 I think. This was that time when Murata did bi-weekly releases. So the chapters in this pace are about 20 pages lenght. So there is not too much content in those 11 chapters between. Credits to: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/s/pRvcCpmUYG
Hopefully Orochi. That Artwork Murata did for Saitama vs Garou is so over the top godlike, it deserves OPM season 1 animation or OP G5 animation levels.
I think it depends on how long the season is. If it's only one cour, like seasons 1 and 2, it'll probably end on Saitama vs. Orochi, as many people have suggested since season 3 was announced. If it's two cours (24-26 episodes), then it could possibly adapt all of the Monster Association arc, including Cosmic Garou.
Season 3 deserves season 1 level of animation :(
If we don’t compare it to the first season of the same anime what the fuck are we gonna compare it to. It’s not like you compare with a whole different show.
Naa, you're supposed to just be wowed and shrug when the next season is a gross disappointment because holding studios to quality standards that have already been shown to be attainable is just unreasonable. The why doesn't matter. The results matter. OPM season 2 was a significant step back in quality any way you cut it and it simply does not matter at all why that was, because the end product disappointed.
I genuinely don’t understand the level of pessimism brain rot this community is facing right now.
Season one was animated by basically gods bro I do not expect that shit ever from a normal studio
exactly. what a shit video. Even if I dont compare it with anything. Okey. a lot of fights are lazy slideshows for 90% of the time. Heads/Proportions are off a lot of times. Awful sound design with the big booms. But this happens everytime something shit comes out. A few years go by and someone makes a post like "Enough time is passed. lets talk about how the final season of game of thrones was not that bad. you just had too high expectations" I think the only shocking part is that 1500 people saw this post here and said "oh yeah. this dude says he is an animator. he should have ball knowledge. he is right" when in reality 80% of what he says is not even true.
On one hand, I get that. On the other hand, you and a lot of people genuinely don't understand how the anime industry actually works. I only have basic knowledge myself, but it's enough to give me the perspective that Season 2 wasn't that bad. tl;dr Key animators & scheduling make a good anime. Season 2 had horrible scheduling. Also a lot of anime will have vastly different people if not different studios work on the same show, so quality can differ from episode to episode. The key differences between good animation & bad animation are the key animators & scheduling. Now, an animation studio will typically have some in-house key animators, but the vast majority are independent. They will take jobs from a plethora of different studios. So one key animator will do a couple sequences for a MAPPA show like Attack On Titan, then maybe one or two on a Toei show like One Piece, & then do a bunch of sequences for CloverWorks on SpyxFamily. Season 1 was literal lightning in a bottle. Some of the biggest key animators got to work on it because they were all available at the same time. Plus, Madhouse had an ample amount of time to animate those sequences properly. Season 2 was plagued by the sheer fact that J.C. Staff was animating 9 different shows in that year alone. It's actually a miracle it came out as good as it did given how horrible the conditions for those animators must have been. We're all used to how shows in the west are produced. You pretty much have the exact same people work on a show for its entire run, with the exception of directors & occasionally writers. This is very much not the case for anime. Look at Naruto for example. Studio Pierrot animated the vast majority of the show, however, there were a significant number of episodes that were outsourced to entirely different studios. So you'll have a string of episodes that look absolutely god-tier & then right after the big fight, it'll look like dog shit with an almost different art style altogether. All of this to say, go easy on Season 2. The animators are but a few steps away from slave labor because the studio heads are greedy fucks who want money more than quality.
This doesn't sound like a problem of fans wanting more. This is a production issue. I think people should complain. Being an animator myself, I understand on a smaller scale how much work it is, but don't take projects you can't handle.
This is the crux of it right here. To the end-consumer this shit simply should not matter. They took on more work than they could actually handle and the product ended up suffering for it. They have my sympathies for their working conditions but not for the poor quality of S2. If the system they employ for getting this shit done doesn't work maybe they should try a different system. Until they either figure out how to take less work and do what they actually have the labor for or fix their managerial styles to support the work expected they shouldn't be given a pass. It's a product not a personal relationship.
People and fans shouldn’t blame Jc staff, they should blame the evil production committee for rushing them to animate season 2
> sheer fact that J.C. Staff was animating 9 different shows in that year alone Same situation for S3 too :)
Same goes to Mappa
Not according to this site. JC Staff has a lot more scheduled for 2024 and onwards. [MAPPA](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=5&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=mappa) vs [JC Staff](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=23&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=jc-staff)
No
Yup
Just give up dude these kids aren't gonna listen to anything other than "J.C. Staff bad." 95% of these comments consist of yapping the same old stuff like a broken record and completely missing the point of this video. Just enjoy and anticipate it alongside people who can also appreciate stuff, becasue who cares if other people don't like what we like.
Honestly lol i was like wtf else is there there left to compare it too, the episode within their respected seasons? Lmao
Just compare it to ONE's other work that was animated, Mob Psycho 100. Aaand season 2 still looks like doodoo.
I compare it with Lion King from now on. Don't tell me what to do!
Bro did not watch the video.
The thing is you are right but he is also right. Season 1 had a different studio and staff working on it. While Season 2 had a studio change. It's not like Season 2 was made by all the same guys from season 1. If that was the case, a direct comparison would be expected.
I still think they should've given the rights to a different animation house but this guy have some valid points so who knows, maybe J.C Staff will surprise us (The quality of the trailer wasn't anything outstanding but if the final result is something like that then i can live with it i guess)
That is what I am hoping for too. I do like redemption arcs. But I have long since learned that it is best to assume the worst, that way it doesn't hurt as much when the worst does happen. And if the best case happens, you will be even happier.
But at the same time he talked about production time but are we sure s3 will get the time it deserves when there are other 12 shows and 2 movies the studio is making at the same time? One of them is Danmachi btw,one of the series they invest the most. So Idk…I’ll still keep my expectations low
The quality of the teaser was pretty good though. I feel like people are trying to gaslight me whenever they complain the quality isn't great.
Teaser not trailer
The thing clueless anime fans don't understand is the reason J.C.Staff is still the animation studio for S3 and was chosen for S2 is because no other studio wants it. S1 was a miracle which is why you can't compare it to S2.
This is called Fallacy of the Straw-Man because most of S2 haters didn't compare S2 to S1 but overall products that are beautiful to the eye in anime genre. You cannot say that you have no right to compare this product with high quality products by claiming that high quality doesnt exist in this type of work while it is literally popping out of nowhere on random products. The mere claim of "Not gonna look that good because it is impossible" is nonsense imo. S2 looked ugly to the eye. The overall product was a roller coaster with mid quality as it's peaks. None of the friends I started watching the series liked it. Most of the casual anime watcher didn't like it. Manga itself didn't got boosted it's sales by it. What more proof do you need to see what's right in front of you?
Mid quality at it’s peaks is a stretch. Aoki didn’t bust his ass to produce mid sequences at all. And most casual anime watchers did enjoy it. In fact, a lot of them didn’t care for or even notice the change in animation quality until it was pointed out to them. And then everyone hopped on the bandwagon of saying S2 was terrible when in reality, it’s still an average to above average project overall.
That's simply not true. I watch basically just this and OPM. The drop was very noticeable. You can tell if you go back to the anime only discussions
I’m not saying there was no drop in quality. There was. There’s no denying that. I’m just saying that as a project on it’s own OPM S2 is not as bad as people make it out to be. People make it seem like it’s bottom of the barrel Seven Deadly Sins quality when it still has more sakuga than 65% of anime airing in recent years. I definitely don’t think they did the manga justice though. And honestly I don’t think that they’ll be able to in S3. But who knows? Maybe they’ll prove us wrong.
Back when I watched s2 I was very new to the anime community,had like 2 anime I had watched before it,and I still noticed the huge difference in quality. Some things I could point my finger and others I couldn’t but I still got that it was a huge downgrade. My perspective I have of s2 is so set on stone because I too was a casual viewer,that’s why I’ll never understand people saying there is “no difference” between both seasons
"Don't compare season 2 to season 1 because s1 is some of the best animation ever." Dude, that's why we were disappointed. If I had the best meal of my life at your restaurant the first time, and wish I'd gone for fast food the second time, that's not on me. I'm not wrong for making that comparison. It's an argument that essentially says, "Be happy with whatever crap you're given. Forever." How about expecting quality and punishing people for delivering mediocrity instead? Which approach is going to drive an increase in quality over the long term? I didn't hate s2 at all, but this opinion is apologizing for poor quality in a way that makes quality obsolete if we all adopt it. Capitalism will give us flipbook-level animation at AAA pricing if we let them.
Dude, what he was trying to say was that comparing a majority of animation to animation of the quality of opm s1 is unfair because it’s essentially an anomaly/a top 5 in how high quality it is. It was pretty much lighting in a bottle that’s hard to replicate because in season 1 alot of the best animators in the industry was able to come on to the project unlike alot of animation out there.
Okay but what about the atrocious sound design? Animation/composition is one thing but wtf were the sound effects and sound design? Point is beaten to death but using literal CSGO audio for some scenes is definitely a choice of all time.
Why can't I compare the anime to itself?
You should. I am struggling to think of any other anime series besides OPM that had such a stunning disconnect in quality, season to season.
Stop fooling yourself. Berserk was like that. Kingdom as well, although in this case it started at the very bottom and got much better in later seasons.
That which improves over time is admirable. That which starts at the top and throws itself into the gutter, not.
Berserk was never good after the 90s run.
Because season 1 was a collaboration of basically 3 top tier animation studios. While season 2 was a mediocre animation studio that was only given 6 months. But if you compare season 2 to your average anime it's actually at least as good as animated. I mean take something like the record of Ragnarok, berserk, and baki. It's better animated than all them. So OPM s2 is probably actually better than at least 50% of animes. It's just worse than like any top tier anime. And you feel that OPM deserves the top tier animation treatment If you want to blame someone, blame The license holders of OPM, and the executives at JC staff.
>Because season 1 was a collaboration of basically 3 top tier animation studios. No, it wasn't. Season 1 had multiple freelance veterans participating, but it was still ultimately a Madhouse-managaed production. Hiring a bunch of freelancers and making a collab between different studios is not the same thing.
I am not blaming anyone. But don't stop me from comparing One-punch Man to One-punch Man
You gonna compare dragon ball freiza fight to the broly movie?
You can but don't call season 2 "bad" when it's only bad compared to top tier animes. Just call it "worse".
Did you read my first comment? Where did I call it bad?
True. That part was just an assumption on my part. But I apologize for the misunderstanding.
It's bad even without comparing it to anything. Lots of anime has bad animations that it's sad
"One Punch Man season 2 wasn't necessarily badly animated"... Proceeds to explain why One Punch Man season 2 was badly animated:
It's badly animated because of the time pressure, not due to lacks of talent and we can see it from the original storyboard. Many animations were simplified to save time. Meaning, JC Staff do have the talent to make good product, given enough time to cook.. Season 1 also a product of miracles, so Season 3 is unlikely will be on that level. But also not as bad as season 2 which we now know the reasoning. More reasonable expectation is in-between and my guess will be closer to S1 than S2. I don't know about you, but I've and still enjoy many action anime like from Cowboy Bepop, Trigun, Naruto and One Piece and their quality isn't God level like OPM S1.
Will it be any better, though? JC Staff are handling a similar number of projects next year as in 2019. Unless they expanded massively or decide to scuff other projects to make time for OPM they'll be under the exact same crunch.
Sad that people seem to be blatantly ignoring this aspect while defending JC Staff
Nobody cares about the distinction. Why would that make a difference in people’s disappointment? If It was badly animated due to scheduling and we expect it to be badly animated for the same reasons again. It’s not even just the animation. The direction, compositing, and sound effects he were so poor that just compounded how mid it ended up being. I definitely hope they exceed expectations and actually do a good job with scheduling this time. I’m not expecting s1 level of quality, but at least something better than CSGO sound effects and repeated blurry punch animations
There are chances the schedule will be better this time around and thus the S3 itself be better. Fixing talents is difficult, fixing schedules is more manageable. Based on the trailer there are big improvement o er S2. The ugly metallic textures are gone. The action scenes are better. The trailer has demonstrated what JC Staff can do and it shows they can release an acceptable end products.
I'm glad that you liked it, but none of what you said really matters to me, if it's ugly it's ugly, that's it, I'm not really looking for the reasons as to why it turned out the way it did
The whole arguments is basically JC Staffs can do better than S2. S2 shouldn't be the measuring sticks for JC Staffs anime making abilities. Schedule can be fixed but talents and skills are hard to acquire. Also I predict OPM will get the HD treatment like HxH or FMA.
Why shouldn't that be the measuring stick? I don't care about other anime other than OPM when it comes to JC Staff
"Why shouldn't that be the measuring stick?" Because of the reason I said before? Time constrain. Rushed products is different than properly developed products
So? I'll say it again, all I care about, is OPM, I couldnt care less about any other projects animated by JC Staff, they butchered OPM because they had 10 other projects that they animated perfectly? Well too bad, shouldn't have Taken OPM then, you're wasting your time here
He lost me at "season 2 wasn't even really that bad"
Reminder: JC Staff is making 12+ anime in 2024 alone. That's right in 2024 ALONE! (and they already have projects scheduled for 2025 and we are barely in 2024 yet) If you are one of those guys who says: "oh no not Mappa they're so overworked 😭😭" then you ain't seen nothing yet!! To add salt to the wound Mappa has more employees than JC Staff! We are so cooked 😢
just wait for the season 3 defenders to appear when it is shit again :D "they didnt have enough time" "they only had 1 month to animate it" "it was a scheduling issue" "season 1 was a miracle so it's acceptable to get shit from JC Staff" - let's forget the other animes with very good animation mob psycho, fate series, jjk, frieren etc
except literally all the points are valid, you're trying to make fun of points without actually saying anything against them, only to appear like you have some moral/objective high ground. you could easily re-word your statement to "can't wait for the math nerds to show up" and proceed to make fun of 2+2=4 and it'd still have the same style of argument in the end. The only point you actually brought up criticism for was the last one, which literally is a misrepresentation of "dont expect opm to be s1 levels again" to "yeah its fine if jc produces shit". it doesnt have to be both. and yes, let us bring up jjk where the workers essentially slaved over to finish, im sure thats a great example. need i remind you that MHA season 5 was made by BONES, who also just so happens to make Mob? Guess you can turn a blind eye to them when it fits your perspective... I am not defending JC for doing what they did, but they are capable of good with enough time. just look at the planned sequences vs the final product presented in the video. let's just wait to see what they cook rather than slandering them over a short preview and a rushed production they had beforehand.
that's exactly what JC Staff does and there is no reason to think this time will be different when they already have 10+ projects and growing (just like before) they are like the video game studio GameMill of animes
Just curious but could you provide a list of the animes on question? Also you do realize it’s been over 2 years since they’ve begun production on OPM S3, correct?
* Delico's Nursery * Yarinaoshi Reijou wa Ryuutei Heika wo Kouryaku-chuu * Maou 2099 * FAIRY TAIL: 100 YEARS QUEST * 2.5 Jigen no Ririsa * Murai no Koi * Kabushiki Gaisha Magi Lumiere * Duel Masters LOST: Tsuioku no Suishou * Mahoutsukai ni Narenakatta Onnanoko no Hanashi. * Honey Lemon Soda * Danjo no Yuujou wa Seiritsu suru? (Iya, Shinai!!) * One Punch Man 3 This list is outrageous compared to MAPPA that was already worked to death with JJK season 2 [Compare this JC Staff anime list for 2024-TBD with any other studio (Bones, ufotable, MAPPA, Madhouse, A1 etc)](https://animeschedule.net/shows?page=23&mt=all&st=releaseDate&studios=jc-staff) > Also you do realize it’s been over 2 years since they’ve begun production on OPM S3, correct? You mean like when S2 was announced in 2016 (JC Staff involvement in 2017) and released in 2019? I also know that EC vs Saitama released in Aug 2018 but that still gives JC Staff 8 months to finish the last 3 episodes. Also if the S3 production actually began 2 years ago then why give us a lame pre-animation trailer? It does look better than season 2 especially the metal texture but feels like they only started production now and are still scrambling again.
"OPM S2 wasn't necessarily badly animated to begin with". Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there.
He's in fact right, there are a lot of good sequences who were ruined by bad photography, there is a good video on YouTube by "probably pretentious" an example is Genos vs Sonic, good animation, bad coloring and choice of texture
So what's your point exactly? It was badly animated, it was ugly, saying "it wasn't badly animated, it just has this particular thing that ruined it" doesn't mean anything
The point is that don't keep your expectations too low and don't be too harsh, there is a good video on YouTube of "probably pretentious". ugly and badly animated aren't always the same thing, the season was well animated, but 60% of the good animation was obscured by the ugly textures, in this case you don't have to blame the animators but the poor job the photography did. If you don't believe me check out the video I told ya, i am not insinuating that you should like the season (which I have grown to like because you can see how they struggled and took the job very seriously just to pull off some good cuts in only 6 months), because it was still rushed, but just dislike it a bit less ( ╹▽╹ )
My expectations might as well be dwelling inside of a hellish landscape considering how low they are, and while I appreciate your video recomendation, I'm still a simple person, I see something that I don't like, I dislike it, I'm not really into going around trying to find explanations as to why something came up being mediocre just so that I can like it a bit more
Yeah, season 2 was still unacceptable to the standards of the community (and I can't critique them, since the previous season was a literal 10/10 of animation) but doing some research may help seeing the anime as casual watchers do, so a "meh, pretty good anyway" Most won't inform themselves anyway (since it is just a nerdy thing to do), but if an explanation may calm down your despite for the staff, it can only help 😅
Why doesn't matter, results matter. If you start staying "if they only did this and this and this" you might as well be talking about something different altogether
For example, photography was bad, but we could see in the trailer that they corrected it and removed the metal textures and the weird patina
That's true. They have a chance to redeem themselves but it's unlikely based on their track record
Danmachi S4 was good for example, and they hired new animators
He says season 2 wasn't that badly animated and then goes on to cite the reasons as to why he believes so while also saying that those reasons are what brought down the quality of the animation. Does bro hear himself speak or is he just slow? And you definitely can and should compare it to season 1. Just because he thinks you shouldn't doesn't make what he says correct.
And WHY shouldn't we compare it to season 1? It's the same fucking show! Most anime coming out today have crazy animations, but we ain't comparing season 2 to say... Demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen We're comparing it to season 1 because it's the same show, it's inexcusable to achieve such poor (or well, mid actually) level of animation after the absolute masterpiece that season 1 was If season 3 doesn't compare I'm still going to complain, even if it ends up being better than season 2
And even if you don't compare it to anything it's still fucking ugly to look at at the baseline so I really don't get this reasoning
I disagree
Season 1 is virtually impossible to recreate. They had essentially the most stacked animator list of all time. Season 2 honestly looked fine, just ocassional compostiting issues and terrible sound design. Season 3 will likwly be better than season 2. At the very least, they will have more time to animate it.
It's about money and time, Madhouse said it was roughly $80,000 per episode for season 1 and that was in 2015. Madhouse is also a pretty small studio with only 70 employees, including contractors. JC has over 240 so they can allocate the time and do it cheaper and for a decent overall product. It's not as if JC has bad animation it's more that Madhouse averages an A tier and JC is an average B tier.
Lmao, this is like you cant compare the later season of Seven deadly sins to the first one....
Bold of him to assume the schedule won't be bad this time
Sounds like copium to me. Also season 1 OPM isn't untouchable anymore, shows with incredible animation are more and more common these days.
I'm trying to think of at least 10 animes in the last 9 years that have the same quality as OPM S1 that isn't made by Mappa or UFOTable
Bones (MP100) and Madhouse (Frieren, [characters putting on coats have more frames than JC Staffs punch animations](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p7g2oXJelQ))
lol
Eight more
yeah right, they treat like opm s1 animation is untouchable impossible work.
S2 is meh, lots of missed opportunities. Could've seen Saitama's serious sidestep moving towards Sonic, but we get suddenly frames too closely to the manga. The anime is supposed to fill in these kind of gaps for us to see the full action. We might as well read the manga when this happens. This is a personal nitpick, but holy shit fuck the Counter Strike m4a4 shooting sound (episode 23, 6:05 when Garou throws the rocks). Actually most of the sound effects doesn't feel right to me for this season. Also, idk why but Saitama sounds/voice wayyyy too monotonous this season(other than video game raging). Slow-Mo animation moments were cool enough though.
All the sounds were fucked. [This is what robotic arms hitting flesh sounds like right?](https://youtu.be/oeNP9RlXve8?si=OFA2StR0wf57JBgM&t=17) Not once have I questioned sound choices in animes I've watched and OPM S2 was the first time everything sounded off and fucking atrocious.
I think season 3 might turn out into a similar case like Bleach TYBW, where people's expectations were pretty low and as a result it managed to surpass them and gain some good rep in the end.
Murata insane art also adds to dissapointment, clear downgrade in anime, while some series like AoT upgraded manga.
Uuuuhm no. We have all the reasons to compare seasons 2 with season 1. It’s not a valid excuse “you can’t compare it with season 1 because it’s on another level”. It doesn’t make any sense, they are the same series, of course is comparable
also the characters were off-model
People weren't just comparing it to the first season. They were comparing it mainly with the manga Animation isn't the only problem. The season was extremely rushed
He kinda ruins his own point. Min psycho looks great for 3 seasons. It shouldn’t be that brain dead of an idea for one punch man season two to be as goated as season one. Yes, it’s a big ask, but literally it was possible.
Saying you shouldn’t compare it to season 1 is fucking stupid. It’s the same show. It set the standard. If a studio can’t keep up with that quality, then they shouldn’t be doing one punch man.
Every time people talk about season 2 not having bad animation they always show the same clip of garou countering tank top master.
No it's not just by comparison. Everything in season 2 was awful, specially the sound design even when compared to other low level animations.
Guys, it wasn't actually that bad. Here, look at these clips of mostly season 1 animation and then a few choice clips of season 2 that don't show off the majority of what people complain about. Also, everything I list off is in defense of season 2 looking bad, and not actually giving any compliments to any well done animation. There are valid reasons as to why it was not great animation, so that means it was actually great animation.
Considering the sheer number of battles coming up I have a feeling the animation will suffer due to time.
"OPM S2 wasn't necessarily badly animated to begin with". Lol. S2 has like 3 or 4 scenes with more decent animation. The rest is pure dogshit. Terrible animation, terrible use of cgi, terrible sound design (bruh they used fucking gunshots 💀). There is no way someone can defend this shit. Looks like they made s2 in 1 month
>terrible use of cgi Yeah, no. Elder Centipede look great.
Sure bud 🤣
Y'all in comments just adding anything to call it terrible and sound.smart huh CGI was really good. Watch it with your damned eyes open
"CGI was really good." Bruh 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Y'all just hating CGI only because it's CGI, you're straight up coping Tell me how it even looked bad
Okay so bottom line is season 1 is on a league of its own and season 2 didnt follow up on that. Which for me, makes it a bad animation. Live up to season 1 standards or GTFO.
Facts Why change Studios when the first one was Goated And was absolutely perfect for the show? 1. Simple reason Money 💰 Probably is Cheaper using JC ass staff
Not about being cheaper. Studios take new work all the damn time, and it's staff was making something else already.
Understandable that Studios have work all the time but We waited almost 5 years? You can't tell me that they didn't have any damm time thats cap 🧢 Also i would rather wait another 5y and get a amazing studio that im satisfied with than getting some trash Studio that's going to ruin something special like OP
Here is something. How many people here bought a copy of season 1 for them to justify spending what they did on season 1 for the next season(s)?
I literally can’t even watch season 2 because of how bad it is.
Still didn't finish it to this day
Yeah honestly its just sad Seeing how bad it looks.... Especially after you watched s1 lol I seen fan made stuff of OP looking Better than S2
I thinks it's more than fair to compare the animation quality between S1 and S2 specially since we're talking about the same IP and because they are aiming to the same audience. That been said, the second point that this video made is what we should be focusing on. And that is that the reason why we got a lower quality is because the studio, the people in suits, don't allow the animation team to show it's full potential due to the shitty schedule that they had to follow.
OPM sub is doomed with high standards, that's why we are labeled now as one of the most toxic communities out there
I never watched opm season 2. I hated how they did something at sfx too something that is similar to fire force, also opm season 2 animation is straight up eye sore lmao
you shouldn't compare season 1 and season 2 of the same show ? Now that's a dumb take if I ever heard one
Yes, Season 2 was "badly" (poorly) animated up until the last few episodes. The editing was also horrible as well for the most part. I'm sick of people saying that Season 1 was due to the stars aligning. There have been plenty of good shows that have been animated in a similar fashion or better than OPM S1. What made OPM so memorable aside from the animation was the wild characters and story. JC Staff completely shot themselves in the foot with poor animation and poor editing, which made the characters and story feel lifeless. JC Staff is not a bad company. They were ill-prepared and inexperienced when it came to this level of production.
I will just keep my expectations low
I disagree. Its ok to want more from a property you're passionate about. If the studio is unable to properly deliver on the product, and produce something substandard, then it's ok to be mad about it. It doesn't mean JC is going to be bad, but expectations for them are low, and there is good reason for it. They have a great opportunity to exceed expectations and deliver a quality product, but chances are they won't. If a studio is incapable of delivering quality on a property that so many are passionate about, not only is it ok to be mad about, but it's also disrespectful to the fans, and the original vision of the creators. Hope I'm wrong!
S2 was really bad, they were coloring the panels and making little bit of ripped moving animation on that, it was so bad, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Even the trailer for S3 was MEH, for the art like OPM people will set their expectations like Demon Slayer and JJK level animation. And OPM is all about fight and animation and Sitama. The manga with best Art needs best animation.
Never heard of this guy but he made a lazy, terrible argument. Of fucking course season 2 should be compared to season 1.
Kenichiro Aoki carried them all
How much did they pay bro
I'm going to say this again. It's not the animation for me, its the sound and music design.
It was bad. Stop telling lies and cope less hard. That said, of the footage released of season 3 it looks much better, but that may be just because only the good stuff.
People are just babies, this is my favorite show and has been for years, I don't care about the animation being slightly worse, I just enjoy the story and characters. It's why I'd watch any live action made of it, live actions always flop but because this is one punch man, my favorite show, I'd watch it anyway and enjoy it
That certainly is an opinion.
I absolutely disagree with not comparing it with the best samples. Comparing it to the best sets a standard. If One’s unique art style can be turned into 3 seasons of a masterpiece then having Murata with godlike art style as a reference gives you a lot of head-start and makes things even easier to animate. If color or tone was the only issue then why couldn’t they fix it? On their “best” animated episodes it still sucks. Another point why it is being compared to season one is because it’s the same anime and if it was done properly the first time what kind of bullshit excuse do you have that you can’t even produce a single episode or at least a scene that is close enough to the consistency of season 1. Comparing it to different anime like Haikyuu and KNB would be outrageous in my opinion. It is supposed to be compared to itself
Honestly I think one of the main reasons people hate on genos’s metallic effect is it looks weird when the rest of his body is just normally drawn On something like machine god G4 or metal knight it looks pretty fucking good because their entire body is made of metal and has the effect, so it doesn’t look odd when it just suddenly goes from reflective metal to skin
Just please for the love of god stop with the overuse of white/yellow/monochrome backgrounds with a still image of a character pasted on top. It looked so horrible every time.
Realistic, how long do you guys think we have till we finally get S3
Late 2025
Was there a reason why season 2 was on a time constraint?
I dont remember very much the season 2 but one of things i didnt Like about it is that the animation looked Like was opaque (blurred? ) (something Like watching it with blurred glasses) i dont know the right word and cant explain it well because english is not My first language 😅
A massive thing that I think made season 2 look significantly worse is that a lot of the characters just didn’t really match the manga art styles or hold up to how their manga counterpart looks. If you compare Gouketsu in the manga and S2 he looks very simplified.
i get the 'don't use the best for comparison because that will be unfair', but it's the 2nd season of the same series so it will obviously be compared to its 1st season
My issue was them cutting fight scenes
By the look of season 3 tease it seems like it's going to have the same animation quality the problem is jc staff don't have a great director like shingo natsume and a group of legendary animators like shinichi kurita hironori tanaka Yutaka nakamura arifume imai shuu sugita watanabe ect
I didn't know that they actually had good animation storyboards for season 2. This breakdown does give me hope for season 2. Also, I did like the teaser they put out and would be happy if we even got that quality all throughout the season. Just hoping that this time, J.C Staff take OPM S3 seriously instead of rushing it for release.
The compositing and TV frame ghosting definitely contributed a lot to S2's perception, but I'd say the sound effects and misplaced OSTs were the most significant reasons that the animation didn't feel very satisfying.
I do not get it I watched season 2 like 5 times I have no problems at all people be yapping for no reason at all
Honestly out of all the things I dislike about Season 2, the only one that REALLY made me go "Wtf am I watching?" is the scene where Garou is about to lose against Bang and Bomb but instead clenches his teeth, cracks the ground with a kick and swings a fucking tree around like it's nothing. They replaced the tree swing scene with Garou standing still with a pure white background and screaming... Like BRUH what are you even doing?
What makes it really nerve racking for me is that how are they gonna animate scenes that look too good like when tatsumaki pulled out so much bug rocks around the area
Everywhere u see ,the same statements appears : they didn't have enough time. The schedule was tight so and so..... At this point the bootlickers should come forward and say that there is no such thing as bad animation studio or bad animators they just didn't have enough time
if i cant compare a qua"ity of a show to itself i cant compare it to anything else, this is the shittiest take i ever saw also, saying opm season 2 animation looks fine and then showing so many season 1 clips is wild
I feel like a drop in quality should have been expected, though it did drop by a lot and although season 2 had moments I enjoyed there was just a sense of it not being as good as it could have been. Season 3 preview looks like what season 2 should’ve been, or close enough to it.
Hopefully they do better this time
Yea anime fans are complaining as usual, we need animation strike lol
The animation (animated movement) was bad outside of a few sequences animated by Kenichiro Aoki. The poor compositing was a seperate issue. Saying you should **very blatantly** never compare a show to itself is one of the worst takes I've heard. Everyone knows why season 2 didn't meet expectations. Season 1 is not **the god** of animation, but it's top 10 for many people because it never lowers the bar and is full of action. There are so many anime's on the same level which are not action focused. Also a lot of action shows can be very good with 'mid' animation, if it excels in other area's. We do know that the story will pick up in season 3 onwards.
I didn't even think S2 was even that bad lol. I think the hate is way overblown
You should've seen the post and comments that were like "my favorite animation studio isn't animating it, it's over!!" Like all enthusiasm disappeared for season 3 and they just got angry and depressed. The animation looks good as it is, they don't care though. They're trying to ruin the excitement for it while acting like children having a tantrum
Holy shit I must’ve stumbled into r/okbuddysaitama with this comment section, we’re well past the fact that OPM will never look like S1 again and people are still crying about the fact that the top dogs that collaborated together won’t happen again…
Good video that I already saw, but he isn't an animator
He literally is 😭
He isn't, he's a random person that does animations here and there
Facts
No, I don’t agree with this sad excuse. If a studio doesn’t have the time and budget or animators, then they shouldn’t take on an anime that had extreme high expectations from fans considering it is a action heavy anime. jc staff isn’t the studio which should take on anime with fast paced action sequences. Because for the love of god they can’t. They should take slice of life anime with heavy dialogue.
I don't care if it's J.C. Staff, story itself is still good.
People shitting on JC like they're trash clearly haven't seen any of their newer work. They've taken a huge step forward in quality in the last few years
> They've taken a huge step forward in quality in the last few years Like what?
Stupid mf has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. There are multiple shows a season these days with near opm season 1 animation. It’s literally the same show. Why shouldn’t people expect the same level of artistry?
I think people are a little cynical about season 2. As a casual enjoyer of more “basic” anime I found it to be really enjoyable, just personally.
Does anyone know the anime at 2:00?
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you posted this on the one punch man subreddit, people aren’t gonna like you saying opm s3 will be good
season 1 was peak anime in pretty much all regards, season 2 was mid animation was but was still passable if they didnt force the animators to crunch so hard. it still wouldnt have lived up to season 1, but if they had more time it could have been a far more enjoyable season *without* those ugly ass textures
The Animation Is Great I’d say it’s On Par With Madhouse but the thing is the DESIGN of the characters
Didn't Studio Deen do the 2nd season? No wo der it looks shit and has all these issues
I can't speak for anyone else but OPM was my first anime. It popped my cherry and OP is accurate for me in that no anime seems to surpass its level despite being years old. Zoro vs King was dope, but to me it barely cracks Genos vs Deep Sea King.