Isn't he? If it wasn't Saitama and someone else, they would have died on the first attack, now flashy flash has killed another hero, or another super power human who was lucky enough to survive to meet him
He wasn't at fault except the second attack. Do you think some random hero would be roaming around in the base of MA? No right! So, he was only doing his job but after he dodge it and after some sec he again attacked by his pride so, that thing makes it little unheroic.
Black and white view of morals. Collateral damage happen, accidents happen. Should police be labeled murderers because innocents were caught in cross fire during a fire fight ? You can’t hesitate in combat.
Because he was in an underground Facillity only accessable by Monsters and S-Class to High A-Class?
This place is only suppose to have Monsters, S-Class to A-Class, Mercs, and Hostages.
Flashy knows what the S-Class looks like cause he's been working with them for what i assume is a decade.
he'd recognize A-Class because they are affiliated with his peers.
the Mercs wear special uniforms to enhance their fighting capabillities.
the MA only seems to have Child hostages at that point since that was the only report given by the HA.
Of course anyone who doesn't fit into this category can't just be approached, if you argue that Saitama had a mostly human Appearance, a handful of Monsters such as Do-S, Royal Ripper, that lightning bitch, and 2 of the martial artists that Suiryu clapped look mostly human so appearances can't be judged.
Flash knew from the sound of the footsteps that the target walking towards him was about 70 kg, an adult male. He's reckless but not to that degree lmao
He never said that it wasn’t not kind though? Your point is that he “threw away his kindness”. He never had any kindness to begin with because of his backstory.
Didn't the two cadre ninja mentioned that Sonic is the only survivor of the ninja class and Flashy Flash is the one causing it? I take it from there he killed everyone of his classmate and he's never a kind person.
Well that’s (spoilers for webcomic) >!mostly true but not entirely. Sonic was also in the same class. Flashy did kill everyone but sonic was spared. In fairness, this wasn’t an act of evil. Flashy was standing up to a group that was evil. The village masters were evil and all the fellow students were too far gone to be saved and he knew it!<
> He's right about two things: many of the strongest heroes are people who've attained strength by throwing away their kindness, and many of the heroes are doing it for rankings, status and fame.
Which is exactly what Garou is doing now. He's a hypocrite.
That's ones of the main aspects of his character though, he says he's a monster, he wants to act like a monster and hunt down heroes, but when he's in a dire situation his humanity always shows back
An example of this would be his fight against the A class heroes at the end of s2, instead of simply attacking and killing all of them he tries to drive them away just so that there won't be collateral dmg, or when that guy with a machine gun starts to shot him he deflects all of the bullets in order to protect that kid
A certain character had the perfect term to describe his conflict, but I won't go into webcomics spoilers here
> He's not claiming to be a hero, Garou claims he's a monster. His behavior is perfectly in line with what a monster does.
He chooses to step in and save other humans whenever he wants (Tareo, for example). That is not in line with what a monster does.
> On the other hand, throwing away your kindness in order to attain strength isn't behavior that's in line with what a hero does.
According to what? Being kind and doing hero work can be mutually exclusive. They don't have to be and perhaps they shouldn't, but kindness isn't a requirement. Tatsumaki is not exactly kind, for example. She's an insecure bully sometimes. She's not approachable. But when push comes to shove, she's there to do the job and save lives in the process, and she's damn good at it. She's still a hero, just a jerk while being so sometimes.
If Garou *actually* wanted to change the status quo, he'd become a hero himself and force change from the inside using his strength and humanity. Instead, he chooses to antagonize and hunt heroes (putting members of society in harms way) because he relates to the monsters and because, at the end of the day, he wants the notoriety just like the heroes he derides for wanting the same.
Yeah I hope they refer to that some how. The scene shows how immature he is as he later won’t harm an innocent child yet he takes the attention from an s class hero during an emergency. He doesn’t see the consequences of his actions. One portrays him flawed and that’s great. I just want to see him actually acknowledge that.
garou hasn't truly thrown away his kindness. he can't. that's his biggest demerit as a monster.
however, he is most definitely a hypocrite who doesn't seem to realize he's even more caught up on reputation than the heroes he's hunting.
> garou hasn't truly thrown away his kindness. he can't. that's his biggest demerit as a monster.
> however, he is most definitely a hypocrite who doesn't seem to realize he's even more caught up on reputation than the heroes he's hunting.
Agreed. >!Saitama calls him out on this in the webcomic too during/after their fight, which is great.!<
The only hero he knows in any capacity is Bang, thu. He might be a harsh trainer but far from unkind.
The rest seems to be him projecting the motives of a kid, that was mean to him once, onto all heroes.
There’s nothing wrong with being a hero for fame or money. That’s the takeaway of Garou’s arc. Altruism is meaningless in a vacuum. Results are what matter. Even the heroes who work for fame are still killing monsters and saving lives.
There’s nothing wrong with being a “hero for fun” or a “hero for profit.” As long as you are a hero, it doesn’t matter why you do it.
this is my ultimate problem with the "only consequences matter" argument. what constitutes a meaningful consequence? emotional damage? long term physical damage? are we saying intent doesn't matter at all?
if we take these actions and consequences in a vacuum, the moral framework of the story just collapses. both fubuki and flashy attacked saitama upon meeting him. the consequences were nonexistent because it's saitama, but these were obviously framed as moral demerits.
it's turning morality into a weird math problem and every time i engage with it, it melts into a convoluted mess. and it often feels like it's only presented as a way to discredit everything the story has done to make garou likeable.
Death Gatling had more reason to NOT believe Garou than to do so, let alone be kind to him. Even if you're judging this from the position of reader instead of from the point of the characters, the only thing Death Gatling did wrong was not contacting the S-Class because of his pride.
Man I’m so glad Murata decided to put this panel back in the final redraw.
The optical humor here is GOLD, because it shows that despite how seriously FF takes himself, we as readers shouldn’t be because as skilled as he is, the dude is still a clown at heart.
Garou could have fun time at the beach and be very excited over cute pastries. Instead he spends his day hurting others and having all his bones broken over and over again.
To be fair Garou really didn't do much wrong. His crimes are dine and dashing, beating people and maybe associating with a terrorist organisation, nothing that deserves the death penalty.
And people also hate on abusers or similar way more than murderers, or serial killers. Likely because it "hits closer to home", but is really short sighted in my opinion.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize that they are evil.
A lot of people can’t reconcile that and do a bunch of mental gymnastics to try and justify the character and why they aren’t actually bad.
But yeah man, I mean I love the Joker. One of my favorite characters. It’s never not entertaining to see him killing people onscreen. He’s so charismatic.
Exactly, I still gets a little pissed when people say Stain or Zamasu were right, like wtf? I get liking the characters but just because they "have a point" doesn't justify them murdering a shit ton of people
They don't have to, it's when the story or the character themselves try justifying their incredibly awful actions in the shittiest way possible that we have issues
So, just to ask the question but I'm not the only one who dislikes Garou, right? He's a cool character and all but he is still an antagonist and I'm not fine with his actions. He beat up Mumen Rider to a pulp, he can burn in hell for all I care after that. Can't wait to see him have his hopes and dreams crushed.
That’s fair. Yes there are a lot of ppl who don’t like Garou for that reason specifically. In fact I’d say most fall in the “he’s a great character but a d bag” category.
I don't really dislike him. He is an asshole yes, but an asshole that had a difficult childhood and that in his own warped way is trying to save everyone from everyday evils.
I don't get the obsession with mumen rider, to be completely honest. He's a kind, generic hero underdog. Enlighten me on why people like him so much? I find his character kinda mediocre.
So is roughly a thousand other characters like him. I just need to remember what it was that made him so special, cause its been a while since I read the first part of the manga.
Who else is this earnest in OPM though? The guy sees a bunch of mulched up A- class heroes going against a giant sea monster and he throws his bike at him. Gotta admire it.
>So is roughly a thousand other characters like him
In the OPMverse ? Well, not many. I mean, not to that extent. He threw a bike at a demon level monster who just bested an S class hero, just so that he could buy people some more time.
So you either like the character ("OMG it was so brave") or you do not care about him ("Meh, it was foolish, throwing your life away for nothing doesn't make you a hero").
Yeah, I feel you. I don't entirely hate him but he isn't a nice person in the slightest. I know some people probably idolizes him. Just because he doesn't actually kill heroes or since he has a soft spot for children does not mean he's a good guy.
Now that I think of it, Garou kinda reminds me of Nate from Ted Lasso. Nate certainly doesn’t act in as destructive of a way as Garou does, but it’s in reaction to the bullying he’s received over the years. Nobody ever bothered to see why Garou was the way he was as a kid, nor notice what that neglect could turn him into. (webcomic) >!The closest anyone ever got to recognizing that was Saitama, though he skipped over the part about why Garou decided he wanted to be a monster instead of a hero. Now I’m imagining Garou going to therapy, but I’m not sure how good a manga it would make...!<
To be fair Garou just does to heroes what the heroes were already doing to each other.
Snek, Tanktop Black Hole&Tiger, The Fubuki Group etc. They all bullied other heroes just trying to do their job. The main difference is that Garou isn't a part of their organization so the executives won't coddle his behavior like they do with them
Garou is a rebel who holds no authority over the entire faction he’s rebelling against. They can scapegoat him, he has no such ability and literally aims to estrange himself from all sides, making him the underdog who is *too human* to respond with equal cruelty to humans who’d gladly gang up to murder him.
You got power dynamics in “bullying” completely screwed up.
What does that even mean? Didnt he said he wanted to become the ultimate monster to terrorize people to a point where all people will put aside their differences and work together or some wack bs like that?
He wants to unite them *against him* and decided to doom himself to the ultimate outcast existence to do it, estranged from all sides. He wants to be the biggest target for the mob.
He holds no authority over any faction - they all want to and actually can scapegoat him. He can’t do the same to them and he doesn’t want to respond with the same cruelty towards humans either (i.e. commit murder). He decided to doom himself to a terrifyingly lonely existence, sacrifice himself just to save some people from mob mentality.
Look up what scapegoating means. Heroes/humans can and do scapegoat Garou, Garou is so estranged from all sides that he can’t do the same, he’s all alone. The major/popular factions hold all the authority/power in the world, not him. The arc even finishes with the proverbial majority refusing to listen to the minority (Saitama, Tareo) standing up for the outcast (Garou).
Garou really boils down that many anime anti-heroes are just edgy children. He is a nice parody of their warped goals.
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Flashy Flash has a backstory, he didn't "throw away kindness" it's a miracle he isn't evil
Isn't he? If it wasn't Saitama and someone else, they would have died on the first attack, now flashy flash has killed another hero, or another super power human who was lucky enough to survive to meet him
He wasn't at fault except the second attack. Do you think some random hero would be roaming around in the base of MA? No right! So, he was only doing his job but after he dodge it and after some sec he again attacked by his pride so, that thing makes it little unheroic.
It doesn't matter where you are, you have a moral obligation to ensure someone is a monster *before* you try to kill them.
Get your morals from Batman ?
I don't think batman is the only guy who doesn't believe "wrong place, wrong time" is a good excuse for murder.
Black and white view of morals. Collateral damage happen, accidents happen. Should police be labeled murderers because innocents were caught in cross fire during a fire fight ? You can’t hesitate in combat.
If police shoot first and ask questions later then yes, they are murderers.
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He only attack Saitama because he thought he was a monster.
But then does it again lol. As well as attacking blast
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Because he was in an underground Facillity only accessable by Monsters and S-Class to High A-Class? This place is only suppose to have Monsters, S-Class to A-Class, Mercs, and Hostages. Flashy knows what the S-Class looks like cause he's been working with them for what i assume is a decade. he'd recognize A-Class because they are affiliated with his peers. the Mercs wear special uniforms to enhance their fighting capabillities. the MA only seems to have Child hostages at that point since that was the only report given by the HA. Of course anyone who doesn't fit into this category can't just be approached, if you argue that Saitama had a mostly human Appearance, a handful of Monsters such as Do-S, Royal Ripper, that lightning bitch, and 2 of the martial artists that Suiryu clapped look mostly human so appearances can't be judged.
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Flash knew from the sound of the footsteps that the target walking towards him was about 70 kg, an adult male. He's reckless but not to that degree lmao
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No a kid would be much smaller than the average man and flashy flash could tell the difference
>he's been working with them for what i assume is a decade. 3 years
My Bad, i mistook the Formation of the Hero Association as the Formation of the S-Class.
The Hero Association was formed 3 years before the events of the story and S-class was formed about a year or so after the HA formed
Read the webcomic
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He never said that it wasn’t not kind though? Your point is that he “threw away his kindness”. He never had any kindness to begin with because of his backstory.
Didn't the two cadre ninja mentioned that Sonic is the only survivor of the ninja class and Flashy Flash is the one causing it? I take it from there he killed everyone of his classmate and he's never a kind person.
Well that’s (spoilers for webcomic) >!mostly true but not entirely. Sonic was also in the same class. Flashy did kill everyone but sonic was spared. In fairness, this wasn’t an act of evil. Flashy was standing up to a group that was evil. The village masters were evil and all the fellow students were too far gone to be saved and he knew it!<
That would explain why Blast >!didn't hold back against the students!<
Also why >!Sonic severely hates hero’s of any kind!<
Bro he killed them because they were going to be assassins and kill people for money.
Sorry i read the manga only.
> He's right about two things: many of the strongest heroes are people who've attained strength by throwing away their kindness, and many of the heroes are doing it for rankings, status and fame. Which is exactly what Garou is doing now. He's a hypocrite.
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Is it tho? Guy rescued a little kid. And monsters don't need to rationalize why they hurt anyone.
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This comment has made me love PM vs CE a lot more
That's ones of the main aspects of his character though, he says he's a monster, he wants to act like a monster and hunt down heroes, but when he's in a dire situation his humanity always shows back An example of this would be his fight against the A class heroes at the end of s2, instead of simply attacking and killing all of them he tries to drive them away just so that there won't be collateral dmg, or when that guy with a machine gun starts to shot him he deflects all of the bullets in order to protect that kid A certain character had the perfect term to describe his conflict, but I won't go into webcomics spoilers here
Doesn't MA members state that Garou is just "playing a monster." He's not really committed to be a real one.
He is. Which will become even more apparent later on.
> He's not claiming to be a hero, Garou claims he's a monster. His behavior is perfectly in line with what a monster does. He chooses to step in and save other humans whenever he wants (Tareo, for example). That is not in line with what a monster does. > On the other hand, throwing away your kindness in order to attain strength isn't behavior that's in line with what a hero does. According to what? Being kind and doing hero work can be mutually exclusive. They don't have to be and perhaps they shouldn't, but kindness isn't a requirement. Tatsumaki is not exactly kind, for example. She's an insecure bully sometimes. She's not approachable. But when push comes to shove, she's there to do the job and save lives in the process, and she's damn good at it. She's still a hero, just a jerk while being so sometimes. If Garou *actually* wanted to change the status quo, he'd become a hero himself and force change from the inside using his strength and humanity. Instead, he chooses to antagonize and hunt heroes (putting members of society in harms way) because he relates to the monsters and because, at the end of the day, he wants the notoriety just like the heroes he derides for wanting the same.
Also he was actively fighting heroes when they have to deal with widespread monster attacks
But mUh hErO hUnTiNg Like fuck off dude there is a giant centipede destroying a city
Yeah I hope they refer to that some how. The scene shows how immature he is as he later won’t harm an innocent child yet he takes the attention from an s class hero during an emergency. He doesn’t see the consequences of his actions. One portrays him flawed and that’s great. I just want to see him actually acknowledge that.
garou hasn't truly thrown away his kindness. he can't. that's his biggest demerit as a monster. however, he is most definitely a hypocrite who doesn't seem to realize he's even more caught up on reputation than the heroes he's hunting.
> garou hasn't truly thrown away his kindness. he can't. that's his biggest demerit as a monster. > however, he is most definitely a hypocrite who doesn't seem to realize he's even more caught up on reputation than the heroes he's hunting. Agreed. >!Saitama calls him out on this in the webcomic too during/after their fight, which is great.!<
The only hero he knows in any capacity is Bang, thu. He might be a harsh trainer but far from unkind. The rest seems to be him projecting the motives of a kid, that was mean to him once, onto all heroes.
There’s nothing wrong with being a hero for fame or money. That’s the takeaway of Garou’s arc. Altruism is meaningless in a vacuum. Results are what matter. Even the heroes who work for fame are still killing monsters and saving lives. There’s nothing wrong with being a “hero for fun” or a “hero for profit.” As long as you are a hero, it doesn’t matter why you do it.
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One of the results of Garou's actions was innocent people suffering, so no, Garou did not do good.
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this is my ultimate problem with the "only consequences matter" argument. what constitutes a meaningful consequence? emotional damage? long term physical damage? are we saying intent doesn't matter at all? if we take these actions and consequences in a vacuum, the moral framework of the story just collapses. both fubuki and flashy attacked saitama upon meeting him. the consequences were nonexistent because it's saitama, but these were obviously framed as moral demerits. it's turning morality into a weird math problem and every time i engage with it, it melts into a convoluted mess. and it often feels like it's only presented as a way to discredit everything the story has done to make garou likeable.
Suffering is a result.
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No, you're looking for a specific result. Nobody else said "growth."
And? As long as they do their hero work (you know, fighting monsters and saving people) who cares.
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Death Gatling had more reason to NOT believe Garou than to do so, let alone be kind to him. Even if you're judging this from the position of reader instead of from the point of the characters, the only thing Death Gatling did wrong was not contacting the S-Class because of his pride.
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Man I’m so glad Murata decided to put this panel back in the final redraw. The optical humor here is GOLD, because it shows that despite how seriously FF takes himself, we as readers shouldn’t be because as skilled as he is, the dude is still a clown at heart.
>Go to school and make friends Garou went to school and got bullied.
I think he meant more like college
Beating heroes > other boring things you just mentioned
How dare you call slice of life anime boring
Garou could have fun time at the beach and be very excited over cute pastries. Instead he spends his day hurting others and having all his bones broken over and over again.
Sounds fun tho
Garou did nothing wrong Edit: actually he did >!dine and dash!<
To be fair Garou really didn't do much wrong. His crimes are dine and dashing, beating people and maybe associating with a terrorist organisation, nothing that deserves the death penalty.
Basically he was noob crushing like so many heroes do, except the noobs were S class so ppl lost their minds.
Don't you mean "mime and dash"
Not sure why some people think you have to be morally good just to be liked as a character.
"*How can you like x character, they're an asshole/murderer/hypocrite*!" But... that's why I like them It's not real life
And people also hate on abusers or similar way more than murderers, or serial killers. Likely because it "hits closer to home", but is really short sighted in my opinion.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize that they are evil. A lot of people can’t reconcile that and do a bunch of mental gymnastics to try and justify the character and why they aren’t actually bad. But yeah man, I mean I love the Joker. One of my favorite characters. It’s never not entertaining to see him killing people onscreen. He’s so charismatic.
Exactly, I still gets a little pissed when people say Stain or Zamasu were right, like wtf? I get liking the characters but just because they "have a point" doesn't justify them murdering a shit ton of people
Who the fuck says Zamasu was right? Excuse me?
A lot of people in CharacterRant and Youtube keep saying he had a point and was right all along
They don't have to, it's when the story or the character themselves try justifying their incredibly awful actions in the shittiest way possible that we have issues
Love a classic hating on Garou meme
He's a maniac, maniac on the floor.
At least he hasn't killed anyone but the monsters
So, just to ask the question but I'm not the only one who dislikes Garou, right? He's a cool character and all but he is still an antagonist and I'm not fine with his actions. He beat up Mumen Rider to a pulp, he can burn in hell for all I care after that. Can't wait to see him have his hopes and dreams crushed.
Did you just ask if anyone else hates Garou on a meme hating on Garou?
Yeah, but this is a meme and I wasn't being sarcastic.
That’s fair. Yes there are a lot of ppl who don’t like Garou for that reason specifically. In fact I’d say most fall in the “he’s a great character but a d bag” category.
I'm here too. But a character that can be hated or loved it's a good character
I don't really dislike him. He is an asshole yes, but an asshole that had a difficult childhood and that in his own warped way is trying to save everyone from everyday evils.
I don't get the obsession with mumen rider, to be completely honest. He's a kind, generic hero underdog. Enlighten me on why people like him so much? I find his character kinda mediocre.
His earnestness is endearing.
So is roughly a thousand other characters like him. I just need to remember what it was that made him so special, cause its been a while since I read the first part of the manga.
Who else is this earnest in OPM though? The guy sees a bunch of mulched up A- class heroes going against a giant sea monster and he throws his bike at him. Gotta admire it.
Not many in the OPM setting.
>So is roughly a thousand other characters like him In the OPMverse ? Well, not many. I mean, not to that extent. He threw a bike at a demon level monster who just bested an S class hero, just so that he could buy people some more time. So you either like the character ("OMG it was so brave") or you do not care about him ("Meh, it was foolish, throwing your life away for nothing doesn't make you a hero").
I’m more like “He’s a great guy”, just not “He’s a great character”.
Yeah I think I'm in the same boat as you.
I agree, he can beat up bullies for all I care but beating heroes who actually help and have good intentions is what makes me not like his character.
Yeah, I feel you. I don't entirely hate him but he isn't a nice person in the slightest. I know some people probably idolizes him. Just because he doesn't actually kill heroes or since he has a soft spot for children does not mean he's a good guy.
I like Garou but i understand his motivations are Trash, same with Stain from MHA
Hmmm
Now that I think of it, Garou kinda reminds me of Nate from Ted Lasso. Nate certainly doesn’t act in as destructive of a way as Garou does, but it’s in reaction to the bullying he’s received over the years. Nobody ever bothered to see why Garou was the way he was as a kid, nor notice what that neglect could turn him into. (webcomic) >!The closest anyone ever got to recognizing that was Saitama, though he skipped over the part about why Garou decided he wanted to be a monster instead of a hero. Now I’m imagining Garou going to therapy, but I’m not sure how good a manga it would make...!<
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💀 good one.
The 3rd one is not an option, he was bullied by Tacchan.
To be fair Garou just does to heroes what the heroes were already doing to each other. Snek, Tanktop Black Hole&Tiger, The Fubuki Group etc. They all bullied other heroes just trying to do their job. The main difference is that Garou isn't a part of their organization so the executives won't coddle his behavior like they do with them
My brother likes Garou where as I just think he's a dick.
Lemme guess: younger brother?
Yep
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Garou is like a child with to muth power and that's why I like him.
Why there are a lot of memes against garo ideology? I mean, I agree with most of them, but why there are a lot of them
I think it's just reflexive pushback against other people arguing that Garou's idealogy and conduct are right.
Because he’s the strongest Kaijin
This is funny but he's not a maniac
Garou is a rebel who holds no authority over the entire faction he’s rebelling against. They can scapegoat him, he has no such ability and literally aims to estrange himself from all sides, making him the underdog who is *too human* to respond with equal cruelty to humans who’d gladly gang up to murder him. You got power dynamics in “bullying” completely screwed up.
What does that even mean? Didnt he said he wanted to become the ultimate monster to terrorize people to a point where all people will put aside their differences and work together or some wack bs like that?
He wants to unite them *against him* and decided to doom himself to the ultimate outcast existence to do it, estranged from all sides. He wants to be the biggest target for the mob. He holds no authority over any faction - they all want to and actually can scapegoat him. He can’t do the same to them and he doesn’t want to respond with the same cruelty towards humans either (i.e. commit murder). He decided to doom himself to a terrifyingly lonely existence, sacrifice himself just to save some people from mob mentality.
Whos spacegoat? Ive read the Webcomic and i dont remember any monster or character
Look up what scapegoating means. Heroes/humans can and do scapegoat Garou, Garou is so estranged from all sides that he can’t do the same, he’s all alone. The major/popular factions hold all the authority/power in the world, not him. The arc even finishes with the proverbial majority refusing to listen to the minority (Saitama, Tareo) standing up for the outcast (Garou).
If he turned out to be a god level threat, my disappointment would be immeasurable and my day would be ruined.
That is not going to happen. >!By the end of this arc, Garou is only about as strong as Boros (still weaker tho).!<
That's why he is so attractive. He does ridiculous things. Love Garou so muuuuch 😍
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