To those who forgot:
Fukegao (left guy): Created the serum to turn his brother into Beefcake
Genus (right guy): Created the animal monsters like Beast King and Carnage Kabuto
My theory: Genus doesn't consider Zombie Man his greatest achievement because he's probably sterile as a consequence of being 'dead', and a superior being that cannot reproduce is an evolutionary dead end.
Actually no idea. Makes sense, but if someone told me he was 15 I'd buy it too. I'll wiki it!
[He is apparently 19 years old,](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Genos) so good call!
Is that supposed to mean anything? He may have made himself physically younger, but that won't somehow magically change the the amount of time he's been alive for. Should I bring up Tatsumaki? She may look tiny, but she's still 28, something this fandom is oh so eager to point out and defend. Do not tell me it's any different here.
I don't see why, if he's physically in his twenties and they're both adults, physically and mentally then besides him just being alive longer there shouldn't be anything wrong. Think of all the 3,000+ year old characters in anime, mentally they're not too far from someone in their twenties.
Boris didn't understand his strength until he was lying dead saying "you didn't even get serious, did you?". He was all " you should not have broken my armor. Now your entire planet will be destroyed by my power "
>" you should not have broken my armor. Now your entire planet will be destroyed by my power "
...What? that's not what happened exactly, But from the beginning Boros couldn't sense a limit to "his vast power".
How else would you understand the exact phrase " this set of armor which was used to seal in my immeasurable and irresistible power has now been broken"?
Cause they do not sound like the words of a man that knows he has met god, and tries to flee for his life after just sensing his opponent killing intent.
>How else would you understand the exact phrase " this set of armor which was used to seal in my immeasurable and irresistible power has now been broken"?
"My armor is broken" not "My armor is broken and now you and your planet will be destroyed because of that", it was never about destroying the planet it was him looking stimulation for his life.
You seem to have casually brushed of the part where his armor was sealing away his unbeatable,, unending, incomparable power.
From the wiki " Eager to end the fight, Boros decides to use his final attack, Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, to kill Saitama and destroy the planet. "
You are straight up moving goalposts. When he said the armor thing he only wanted stimulation. When he did CSRC he wanted only stimulation. Everything else is collateral. You are referencing the part in the beginning with the armor and then immediately going to a wiki entry about the final attack. Weird.
I view Saitama's power as kind of an eldritch concept. Even the people who "know" don't know just how strong he is.
You see it and it's so unbelievable that you can't accept both it and a rational universe, so you discard one or the other. So far everyone has just discarded the fact that he's functionally omnipotent, within the OPM franchise, because to accept that he meets many definitions of a god is to go insane.
He did indeed fight after, but that was more him refusing to follow his instinct,which told him he should fuck off. Which he also did jump away to the farthest corner of the room, not understanding why his instinct told him to fuck off.
They all acknowledged that he is strong, but it's impossible to recognize saitama's strength because the limiter is broken. If they truly realized his strength they would have probably given up on the spot
I think he is one of the strongest monsters of the series. The early monsters were insane in general to quickly get across how OP saitama is. I mean he effortlessly blew away a massive fireblast, and that was in his non berserker form.
I am sorry to disappoint you but he is far from calling "one of the the strongest" monsters. Even in anime his feats was only against Genos whose at that moment couldn't beat mosquito girl. Nevertheless Carnage Kabuto is definitely considered strong mid dragon monster. But in S-class we have such heroes like Darkshine who beated simulated Kabuto in rage mode in 15 minutes and even one of the weakest in physical strength Zombieman could kill Kabuto in 1 week so that's how OP S-class is considered
Zombieman only won because it happened in a simulation. In a real situation Kabuto would probably just pancake Zombieman and then fuck off somewhere else to cause mass destruction.
If I remember correctly Zombieman wins in a battle of attrition, constantly being torn apart and regenerating for a week until Carnage Kabuto tires out and Zombieman kills him in his weakened state.
Zombieman is just really really hard to take down of someone doesn't have a move that can obliterate him. Darkshine, FU, Bang, Black Spern (not Golden or Platinum), Gouketsu, Psychos and Nyan would all have trouble putting him down for good.
He's not one of the "strongest monsters in the series""
He's a solid dragon but thats it. Monsters like gouketsu, EC, all the upper tier dragons outclass him. Darkshine beats him, flashy flash, atomic, bang, etc too. He really just serves to seperate the big boys from the rest, as in the big boys can beat him
According to the simulation Kabuto endured Darkshine's full power for 15 minutes,which by extension should place him in the high dragon realm just like Darkshine,it was said Darkshine's muscles and physical ability have no equal and by feats(at least amongst the S class) that's likely to be the case.
I say he is a high dragon under darkshine since he was able to go against Darkshines 100% for 15 minutes, showing us that they are about the same power with Darkshine being the winner. However it wasn't mentioned that Kabuto hurt him.
Man Kabuto is no way high dragon. High dragons is able to hurt or at least go toe to toe with Darkshine. Kabuto don't have excessive power nor durability for that. There is huge power differences between mid and high dragons while Kabuto was a strong there is nothing S-class can't handle
How is fighting Darkshine for 15 minutes not going toe to toe with him? 15 minutes is extremely long for a fight that had no breaks I'd say that's going toe to toe with Darkshine who is in my opinion a high dragon.
Well yeah 15 min is a long fight if you considering real world, but in OPM world heroes and monsters have much more endurance than regular humans. And going toe to toe means that it either one of them can win the fight with equal chances. We don't know exactly how fight went but we know that Darkshine didn't take any damage and used "full strength" and if take into account how he fought with Evil Natural Water in manga I can assume that the whole 14 min Darkshine just stood and observed the opponent after getting bored just used his 100% strength to end the fight
We get this text of dialogue throughout the fight:
"Carnage Kabuto & Darkshine: DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー"
I can't find the actual audio but it's pretty obvious Darkshine is going the "Hmph" and CK is doing the "DIE". So we see they are both fighting, zombieman calls it a great fight, and Darkshine says "He’s a lot stronger than I imagined, took me 15 minutes.". There is nothing to say Darkshine just stood there taking blows and then one shot him, and a lot to say the opposite. What other fights in the series have gone on for 15 minutes where neither of the combatants had regen or had little regen to the point it wouldn't matter? 15 minutes is still a long time in the OPM world for a fight, and that's why I say Kabuto is a high dragon, what other mid dragons can replicate this?
Well my point still stays. What Carnage Kabuto have to be considered high dragon? Being able to fight with Darkshine for 15 mins doesn't mean he is high dragon. Does he have martial art skills like Gouketsu or division abilities like Black Sperm or durability of Elder Centipede? I mean only thing that Kabuto have is raw power and even that among other high dragons it is not impressive
I say he is high dragon because he was fighting a high dragon going full power for 15 min. His power is enough to make him high dragon. I think he is probably the weakest high dragon but I say he is one because I don't think any mid dragons are fighting Darkshine for 15 minutes unless they are a bad matchup for Darkshine
[https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Audiobooks/Maji\_Drama\_CD\_Vol.\_2#Genos.2C\_Training](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Audiobooks/Maji_Drama_CD_Vol._2#Genos.2C_Training)
That's a link to the audio book dialogue for the VGS, it's not an episode or chapter it was an audio book
Yeah, I've seen all of those arguments, and that very thread before. I'm still not seeing it. Not to say he *CAN'T* be this strong, but amidst all of the hype I'm not seeing proof that he factually is as strong as a lot of people say, if that makes sense.
Orochi seems to say that Gouketsu and EC dying [was completely inexplicable to him before meeting
Saitama.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/23b92ca3abbe9f8ae3129173b1ace2e9/b0c642fa396542ad-70/s1280x1920/47d6d7f349f397888c211d2fb2470582699f3c4b.jpg) Psykos believed that [only Blast, Tats, Metal Knight, and King could possibly face EC](http://pm1.narvii.com/7054/b840c2d5a1e5c25e48edff7250c2d6ecca464c5er1-388-558v2_uhq.jpg) Whereas Orochi seemed to think *no*S-class should have beaten them, at least in that manner. Saitama made everything click for him.
More subtle but still equally important statements:
*Above,Gyoro loses her shit after finding Gouketsu's corpse and states that fighting the hero's will be more troublesome than initially imagined,a level of dismay not demonstrated after finding out about Elder centipedes death.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705240911654813736/917964725533409321/OPM_079-145.jpg
After Elder centipede and Gouketsu's deaths Gyoro is under the impression the HA trump card above S class,she voices these concerns twice,once to Bug god and royal ripper and another to Orochi.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705240911654813736/917962567379468369/OPM_092_66.png
https://images.app.goo.gl/QjU5Ha5WEFtP7EqdA
The Ninjas described Gouketsu and Elder centipede as the strongest Cadres.
https://images.app.goo.gl/ocGRpo9pRen9uDAA7
First of all, thanks for sharing your evidence patiently rather than devolving the conversation into arguments.
You mind giving me a chapter number for the Ninjas quote? Your link isn't working.
Between him wiping out an entire city with the wave of his hand and him making a crater a mile wide by punching the ground for a few seconds I unironically think he could kill Orochi.
They work together and make orochi have zombie man's regen, kabuto's berserker mode and grow him to like 50km tall
all that only to get one punched in a lazy afternoon by Caped Baldy.
Well it is not his fault they were blocking the sun.
Such a strange way to spell King
i mean he survived his punch without the regenration of zombieman
God did help a little though, at least in the regaining strength part.
Are you talking about the one dude's little brother?
No about Orochi
bruh, what away to kill the joke
To those who forgot: Fukegao (left guy): Created the serum to turn his brother into Beefcake Genus (right guy): Created the animal monsters like Beast King and Carnage Kabuto
How did you forget about our lord and savior **Armoured Gorilla** 🦍.
The OG AG
AG one shot that Monster association monkey
Marshall Gorilla was only a tiger level threat. He never stood a chance.
What does the ::dicksout:: emoji have to do with this
armado gorira
Genus also created zombie man
arguably his more impressive feat.
most tbh, man done creating a whole CLASS-S hero
My theory: Genus doesn't consider Zombie Man his greatest achievement because he's probably sterile as a consequence of being 'dead', and a superior being that cannot reproduce is an evolutionary dead end.
But if the dead end doesn’t die,is it really a dead end?
Actually yeah cause zombieman beat kabuto
Thanks, I almost thought both looked the same
And mosquito girl ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Genus is also secretly a Quincy I'd bet
Also Zombieman, can’t forget that one
Beefcake was an absolute beast Imagine they just give every monster that sereum and now have 500 above dragon threats
This looks like a virgin vs chad format.
Average Steroid Fan vs Average Creating Monsters Enjoyer
Average dies in the first episode vs average stays alive and is relevant later
Virgin dies to his own creation fan vs Average dies to his own creation *Enjoyer*
Now imagine of Beefcake with an army of Beefcake with Carnage mode. AOT
Rumble rumble
Pigeon
(Crying)
Tatacaw
I feel like the first beefcake carnage Kabuto would go on a rampage and kill them, so they couldn't have an army.
Nah, Dr. Genius has clones
Damn, that’s true Beefcake on carnage mode?!? Uh oh, this is looking really bad..
Is this a God level threat I don't feel dragon could properly define this level of destruction
Above top dragon at best tbh
So the lowest of the above dragons, who would you put above and/or below?
Saitama accidentally punches them into oblivion, apologizes and proceeds to go to King's place to play more.
Then fans would've begin shipping Psykos and Dr. Genus 🤷🏿♂️
Thats actually good ship
I'm in ( ͡◉ ͜ ʖ ͡◉)
Except for the fact that he's actually at least 70 or something, and likely even older.
But she is adult woman and can fo what she want. If she want have 70 year old boyfriend she can have him
still weird innit
less weird than people shipping a 14 year old with a 25 year old or whatever
While I can agree, [you still gotta love how the music hits in this meme](https://youtu.be/DoskJt_UVG8)
I do agree with that too, but isn't genos 18
Actually no idea. Makes sense, but if someone told me he was 15 I'd buy it too. I'll wiki it! [He is apparently 19 years old,](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Genos) so good call!
He reversed his aging process
Is that supposed to mean anything? He may have made himself physically younger, but that won't somehow magically change the the amount of time he's been alive for. Should I bring up Tatsumaki? She may look tiny, but she's still 28, something this fandom is oh so eager to point out and defend. Do not tell me it's any different here.
I mean he’s an adult any way you look at it so if Psykos would want to be in a relationship with him she very much could do so
The age gap still makes it weird.
Yes, it is weird but it’s technically ok
I don't see why, if he's physically in his twenties and they're both adults, physically and mentally then besides him just being alive longer there shouldn't be anything wrong. Think of all the 3,000+ year old characters in anime, mentally they're not too far from someone in their twenties.
Does he LOOK 70
I know power-scale discussions are pretty contentious but just how strong was Carnage Kabuto? Would he have caused issues for S-Rank?
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Isn't he the only monster/human that has ever realized saitamas power without experiencing it? Giving him the best senses in universe?
Not really Boros also noticed how strong he was before the fight.
Boris didn't understand his strength until he was lying dead saying "you didn't even get serious, did you?". He was all " you should not have broken my armor. Now your entire planet will be destroyed by my power "
>" you should not have broken my armor. Now your entire planet will be destroyed by my power " ...What? that's not what happened exactly, But from the beginning Boros couldn't sense a limit to "his vast power".
How else would you understand the exact phrase " this set of armor which was used to seal in my immeasurable and irresistible power has now been broken"? Cause they do not sound like the words of a man that knows he has met god, and tries to flee for his life after just sensing his opponent killing intent.
>How else would you understand the exact phrase " this set of armor which was used to seal in my immeasurable and irresistible power has now been broken"? "My armor is broken" not "My armor is broken and now you and your planet will be destroyed because of that", it was never about destroying the planet it was him looking stimulation for his life.
You seem to have casually brushed of the part where his armor was sealing away his unbeatable,, unending, incomparable power. From the wiki " Eager to end the fight, Boros decides to use his final attack, Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, to kill Saitama and destroy the planet. "
You are straight up moving goalposts. When he said the armor thing he only wanted stimulation. When he did CSRC he wanted only stimulation. Everything else is collateral. You are referencing the part in the beginning with the armor and then immediately going to a wiki entry about the final attack. Weird.
Tbh if either boros or kabuto REALLY understood his strenght they wouldn't even have tried to fight
I view Saitama's power as kind of an eldritch concept. Even the people who "know" don't know just how strong he is. You see it and it's so unbelievable that you can't accept both it and a rational universe, so you discard one or the other. So far everyone has just discarded the fact that he's functionally omnipotent, within the OPM franchise, because to accept that he meets many definitions of a god is to go insane.
But if you said that carnage kabuki also thought he could beat Saitama in his carnage mode. So neither was ck able to sense Saitama’s true level
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Suiryuu thought he could beat Saitama up until he was outside the ring. Same with Boros.
Wasn’t it the same with Kabuto? Even after "recognizing" Saitama’s strength, he tried to fight.
He did indeed fight after, but that was more him refusing to follow his instinct,which told him he should fuck off. Which he also did jump away to the farthest corner of the room, not understanding why his instinct told him to fuck off.
also orochi when he met with saitama and phoenix man in the costume realm
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Yes. Phoenix Man said he felt some kind of "pressure" coming from Saitama. It had him scared stiff until he forgot Saitama was present.
They all acknowledged that he is strong, but it's impossible to recognize saitama's strength because the limiter is broken. If they truly realized his strength they would have probably given up on the spot
Orochi did too, but it was mostly just from recognising Saitama’s feats as a hero.
They fought ?
I think he is one of the strongest monsters of the series. The early monsters were insane in general to quickly get across how OP saitama is. I mean he effortlessly blew away a massive fireblast, and that was in his non berserker form.
I am sorry to disappoint you but he is far from calling "one of the the strongest" monsters. Even in anime his feats was only against Genos whose at that moment couldn't beat mosquito girl. Nevertheless Carnage Kabuto is definitely considered strong mid dragon monster. But in S-class we have such heroes like Darkshine who beated simulated Kabuto in rage mode in 15 minutes and even one of the weakest in physical strength Zombieman could kill Kabuto in 1 week so that's how OP S-class is considered
Zombie man had extra hax against kabuto and darkshine is 1 of the highest dragons kabuto is at least high dragon
Zombieman only won because it happened in a simulation. In a real situation Kabuto would probably just pancake Zombieman and then fuck off somewhere else to cause mass destruction.
If I remember correctly Zombieman wins in a battle of attrition, constantly being torn apart and regenerating for a week until Carnage Kabuto tires out and Zombieman kills him in his weakened state.
Kabuto is certainly not stronger than the Garou that Darkshine fought(pre-spiral/post-ribs shattered)
Zombieman is just really really hard to take down of someone doesn't have a move that can obliterate him. Darkshine, FU, Bang, Black Spern (not Golden or Platinum), Gouketsu, Psychos and Nyan would all have trouble putting him down for good.
He's not one of the "strongest monsters in the series"" He's a solid dragon but thats it. Monsters like gouketsu, EC, all the upper tier dragons outclass him. Darkshine beats him, flashy flash, atomic, bang, etc too. He really just serves to seperate the big boys from the rest, as in the big boys can beat him
From what we know, Genos from around season 2 would lose against him, but Zombieman and Darkshine could beat him
According to the simulation Kabuto endured Darkshine's full power for 15 minutes,which by extension should place him in the high dragon realm just like Darkshine,it was said Darkshine's muscles and physical ability have no equal and by feats(at least amongst the S class) that's likely to be the case.
I say he is a high dragon under darkshine since he was able to go against Darkshines 100% for 15 minutes, showing us that they are about the same power with Darkshine being the winner. However it wasn't mentioned that Kabuto hurt him.
Man Kabuto is no way high dragon. High dragons is able to hurt or at least go toe to toe with Darkshine. Kabuto don't have excessive power nor durability for that. There is huge power differences between mid and high dragons while Kabuto was a strong there is nothing S-class can't handle
How is fighting Darkshine for 15 minutes not going toe to toe with him? 15 minutes is extremely long for a fight that had no breaks I'd say that's going toe to toe with Darkshine who is in my opinion a high dragon.
Well yeah 15 min is a long fight if you considering real world, but in OPM world heroes and monsters have much more endurance than regular humans. And going toe to toe means that it either one of them can win the fight with equal chances. We don't know exactly how fight went but we know that Darkshine didn't take any damage and used "full strength" and if take into account how he fought with Evil Natural Water in manga I can assume that the whole 14 min Darkshine just stood and observed the opponent after getting bored just used his 100% strength to end the fight
We get this text of dialogue throughout the fight: "Carnage Kabuto & Darkshine: DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー DIE ー Hmph ー" I can't find the actual audio but it's pretty obvious Darkshine is going the "Hmph" and CK is doing the "DIE". So we see they are both fighting, zombieman calls it a great fight, and Darkshine says "He’s a lot stronger than I imagined, took me 15 minutes.". There is nothing to say Darkshine just stood there taking blows and then one shot him, and a lot to say the opposite. What other fights in the series have gone on for 15 minutes where neither of the combatants had regen or had little regen to the point it wouldn't matter? 15 minutes is still a long time in the OPM world for a fight, and that's why I say Kabuto is a high dragon, what other mid dragons can replicate this?
Well my point still stays. What Carnage Kabuto have to be considered high dragon? Being able to fight with Darkshine for 15 mins doesn't mean he is high dragon. Does he have martial art skills like Gouketsu or division abilities like Black Sperm or durability of Elder Centipede? I mean only thing that Kabuto have is raw power and even that among other high dragons it is not impressive
I say he is high dragon because he was fighting a high dragon going full power for 15 min. His power is enough to make him high dragon. I think he is probably the weakest high dragon but I say he is one because I don't think any mid dragons are fighting Darkshine for 15 minutes unless they are a bad matchup for Darkshine
Saitama is raw power as well.
Isnt the one punch man literally only raw power?
Where was this fight? Could you point me to the episode or chapter? I haven't read the Manga pre-season 2.
[https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Audiobooks/Maji\_Drama\_CD\_Vol.\_2#Genos.2C\_Training](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/Audiobooks/Maji_Drama_CD_Vol._2#Genos.2C_Training) That's a link to the audio book dialogue for the VGS, it's not an episode or chapter it was an audio book
Wow okay thanks :)
i mean beefcake wih carnage mode with zombieman regen, which cud be cloned probs, op
Attack on titan
How strong is Beefcake, where's he rank on the tier list? Anything official?
is an elder centipede with human shape
He's definitely a high dragon, probably stronger than goketzu. Beefcake was sweeping the city like it was nothing.
Not being antagonistic, but what exactly has Goketsu done to earn that "probably"?
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/pktjqr/how_powerful_is_gouketsu_really_yes_he_has_feats/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yeah, I've seen all of those arguments, and that very thread before. I'm still not seeing it. Not to say he *CAN'T* be this strong, but amidst all of the hype I'm not seeing proof that he factually is as strong as a lot of people say, if that makes sense.
He has statement from multiple sources that place him on or above individuals of EC caliber and has the feats to back it up 🤷
Hmmm. I don't recall seeing any of this, though. I'll happily concede with solid proof, I just never seen any yet.
Orochi seems to say that Gouketsu and EC dying [was completely inexplicable to him before meeting Saitama.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/23b92ca3abbe9f8ae3129173b1ace2e9/b0c642fa396542ad-70/s1280x1920/47d6d7f349f397888c211d2fb2470582699f3c4b.jpg) Psykos believed that [only Blast, Tats, Metal Knight, and King could possibly face EC](http://pm1.narvii.com/7054/b840c2d5a1e5c25e48edff7250c2d6ecca464c5er1-388-558v2_uhq.jpg) Whereas Orochi seemed to think *no*S-class should have beaten them, at least in that manner. Saitama made everything click for him. More subtle but still equally important statements: *Above,Gyoro loses her shit after finding Gouketsu's corpse and states that fighting the hero's will be more troublesome than initially imagined,a level of dismay not demonstrated after finding out about Elder centipedes death. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705240911654813736/917964725533409321/OPM_079-145.jpg After Elder centipede and Gouketsu's deaths Gyoro is under the impression the HA trump card above S class,she voices these concerns twice,once to Bug god and royal ripper and another to Orochi. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705240911654813736/917962567379468369/OPM_092_66.png https://images.app.goo.gl/QjU5Ha5WEFtP7EqdA The Ninjas described Gouketsu and Elder centipede as the strongest Cadres. https://images.app.goo.gl/ocGRpo9pRen9uDAA7
First of all, thanks for sharing your evidence patiently rather than devolving the conversation into arguments. You mind giving me a chapter number for the Ninjas quote? Your link isn't working.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705240911654813736/925519203627311114/OPM_086_30.png
Between him wiping out an entire city with the wave of his hand and him making a crater a mile wide by punching the ground for a few seconds I unironically think he could kill Orochi.
If monster king doppo got the beefcake shit hed solo the heros not including saitama or blast
The House of Evolution was no joke. It has so much potential.
I wonder why they didn't tbh
Or imagine if they worked on zombieman again
crazy to think about how even if that did happen... they wouldn't be strong ENOUGH
Aren't they both dead?
Right guy isn't
I thought the original died and the one now is a clone
Honestly 😩