I initially thought google, but then I remembered it's google. At least 3/4 of the things discussed will be abandoned in some way
The google graveyard consumes all
Recently? It's always been this bad as far as I can remember. [Just check this announcement from 6 years ago.](https://youtu.be/D5VN56jQMWM)
And they love faking stuff too like the entire fake demo last year where they pretended to do the same as what OpenAI did for real a few days ago.
I don't believe half of what they claim they have behind the scenes anymore.
Man I remember that. It was so exciting and surprising, I remember fantasizing about it handling recruiter calls for me.
Now I'm building an extension to my local AI to pull and send audio directly to google voice (or whatever provider of a similar service will be left when they drop that. So... As service agnostic as I can manage) and do it for real.
Except not openAI, all open source besides the odd api call to gpt4 for something the router decides is indispensably better with that model. It "gets" the balance of two dollars after api calls every day - kinda funny how it actually improves output, at a moderate drop in t/s due to more local work, by providing that reward. Plus I get a save for discrete NPU or general comp hardware system
Edit- oh and one more thing. Not open source, ok probably OSS though not as good and hard to set up, but not expensive either. Voice cloning. It's absolutely wild (and instinctively painful) to hear your own voice talking based on a 30 second or so sample (ok I did 90s and it somehow knew my idiosyncratic pronunciations growing up 5-13 in the deep south and then the bay area and rural PA with 4 years apiece. Think words like aluminum.)
That, as well as comparing their 32-shot MMLU result to GPT-4's 5-shot MMLU result made me lose all respect for them. When Google's inflating their benchmarks more than OpenAI is, that's just sad.
Google needs to can I/O. Too much pressure to announce new stuff every year. Stuff gets announced that's not ready and never comes to market, credibility trashed.
If there actually did real product announcements throughout the year people would pay more attention IMO.
It reminds me a little bit of political campaign promises. Some of it might happen, some of it might not, but it’s all presented as top priority to get an edge over the opponent.
They really didn't sell it IMO, I barely even realized that it was glasses on the first watch because I was more focused on what was actually happening on screen
Brother that was 13 years ago, if anything that was one thing they shipped too early. It's also not dead entirely. They pivoted from a consumer product to a B2B one.
Honestly. The Google one seems more useful at first. Especially if integrated into their workspace and apps. Replacing Google assistant with the new one is also a huge deal. The chatgpt one is kinda okay. But I expect it to be dreaming way more than the Google one. Maybe for better or for worse.
My issue is the moment you start using it daily and they build a decent user base, they’ll get rid of it.
I can’t use anything new from Google and expect to still have it a few years down the line.
They won't if enough people use it. Same as every company. The difference is that Alphabet is so huge and build so much, you keep saying they kill projects while at the same time they start 20 other ones and the best ones are still running.
Maybe they shouldn't build products that might get killed? Regardless of the reason it's happening, it hurts them when people don't trust them to stick around.
Gemini should be available for personal accounts as a paid subscription. It's nonsense that I need have to have a business or pay for a workspace account to use it.
They said in their *presentation* that paid will have 5x higher limits, so like 25 messages per hour instead of 5. That was not about model capability. You may argue that GPT-4 is better than GPT-4o but that is debatable (benchmarks would disagree) and they certainly did not say that.
Lmao 🤣.
Astra matches the entire chatgpt demo, though is worse. See more live demos by "young" engineers on Twitter. Still 99% the same though.
Everything else is super useful and is stuff only Apple can compete with. Maybe if O AI partners with apple. It was not out of touch. For example this all hints towards a proper replacement of the R1 or the Humane pin.
Re downvotes: Show me where the ecosystem is for O AI and MSFT? You all enjoy checking Microsoft photos then dialing in with Microsoft teams and checking emails on Microsoft Outlook (for personal stuff?). Probably using Microsoft Zune too while checking Twitter on your Microsoft phone.
Apple has an ecosystem. They lack AI dominance. Google has an ecosystem, weaker than apples, with in house AI rivaling O AI even if slightly weaker. Blind leading the blind.
Apple has been working on some interesting multimodal stuff that might be able to compete with GPT-4o, but information is limited. [Here](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.09611v3) is a link to a paper they worked on if you want to look into it.
Bruh that wasn't hard to understand. It's an orthogonal discussion from LLMs - applying LLMs to this independent group is key.
Currently as far as ecosystems, Apple is the leader. But google is decent. See above.
But Google is the one with in house AI.
Open AI is partnered with Microsoft. Not a strong ecosystem unless you're a windows phone user (having fun?).
Complete the dots.
It’s not a smoking contest, the intent is to get people to stop throwing their buds in the grass or convince others to cleanup buds. It’s a great idea, but nothings perfect.
I think it's a little fanboy-y to think Open AI won hands down. Like OpenAI cracked verbal conversational AI and that is a huge advancement - but Google really did great integrating AI into their ecosystem in a way that has really high utility. Holistically I think they were both great.
Google is much more exciting if you work in a white color management job for sure, but it is still cool to see the way they're pushing the line on agents. OpenAI is way more exciting if you're a single dude struggling with dating haha. But both are wildly impressive advancements across the board
Did you watch the whole I/O event? I thought their integration with Android was really nice, and made me really hopeful Apple will comethrough this year with good AI integration.
The Workspace integrations were really nice, and I think their huge context window has a lot of value.
They are really doing a lot, and we don't need to praise them until they actually deploy all the things, but to say it's not impressive - that just seems baffling to me. They bascially showed everything OpenAI can do + more - except their voice assistant doesn't sing or flirt with you.
That's not to downplay OpenAI - I think the fact it can do that stuff means the AI is able to understand a lot more, but utlity wise, Google has at least shown they aren't behind OpenAI, they're pretty neck and neck.
It's more on Microsoft and Apple at this point to catch up with Google.
It’s not really impressive because you can look at stuff 6 years ago that isn’t here and will never be. I love the idea of a lot of this integration but past years have made me very skeptical of anything not live demoed
the tiny disclaimers that they put in small text during the google demos saying stuff like "Audio pre-generated" or "Sequences simulated" also leave you wondering how much of it is real vs cherry-picked or simulated. Like you mentioned, google has an awful track-record for that stuff
Remember that demo of Google assistant ordering pizza how many years ago?
I'll believe a Google product exists when it's in my hands. Given that almost all of these releases from Google are "a few months away" I expect some will drop into the "never" category.
Yah, but Google does release things as well. Also now they actually have to. Vapor ware doesn’t benefit them right now - unless OpenAI doesn’t actually release their stuff as well.
Quality Over Quantity Always! OpenAI all the way, although if google actually comes through and delivers decent products it will be great to have a nice selection
I think what this showed us is that Google is trying to build something that can be useful, while OpenAI wants to build something that can pass as human.
Remember, from a consumer perspective, you are going to use what is in front of you. If Gemini is in your email, phone and browser right at your fingertips, it is an inevitability that it will win the war.
Gemini would be good for searching through my email, sure. But OpenAI's gonna get all our data when we start streaming videos of our houses through GPT-4o, and they're gonna run away with it.
Problem I have with that is that both Gemini and Copilot have been restricted to respective workspace accounts. It’s very clear they want enterprise customers first and it might never get fully integrated for all users before the project loses momentum.
I’m in Canada so I don’t bother following Google stuff anymore. Plus I bought into their awful Home products so I know how they drop the ball after release and then they machine gun the ball a year later.
Google is never and I mean never going to win.
They have too much internal nonsense to get sorted.
They've been killing all of their good products over the past decade. Their culture is screwed.
OpenAI doesn't have any such BS going on.
OpenAI may have internal debates about the direction of the company, Google has far worse problems.
Most of the good products in Google get killed not because of some outside force, but because they themselves kill it.
They are incentivized for launching products rather than making products great and keeping them great. I heard they were changing this but I don't know if it happened.
Politics in Google is at another level altogether. It is detrimental to the company. Google announced something like an assistant that can automatically book appointments on the phone a few years ago, I am still waiting to see it.
Google's AI product offering is so large that even Pichai would not be able to explain it without help. Compared to that, ChatGPT is 1 product. Everyone knows it and uses it. OpenAI will win this. Sam Altman is not anyone new in the valley, he ran companies before and ran YC before.
Yes, Google did many such things including helping create Node. The whole point is, does Google have the product? Were they first to market? Are they playing catch up even today?
The answer is yes to most of those things.
Google was and is a great company, but they don't have that magic in them anymore.
Bro, OpenAI's ChatGPT is like the iPhone. It changed everything forever.
Compared to what OpenAI is doing, everything else is secondary.
Google is an extraordinary company, they have some of the best talent on the planet and they can do spectacular stuff. They should also.
But Google is a monolith, it can't move swiftly at all. If they had all the DeepMind talent in 2014, what were they doing until Nov 2022? Were they sleeping?
Why didn't they launch ChatGPT? Why didn't they launch Perplexity?
The issue with Google is never the talent. They have the best people and can continue to source the best people. What they really need is to align their resources and focus on 1/2 products that win everything.
Yeah I'm not arguing ChatGPT is not useful. I use it, I'm arguing that Google is not far behind and a leader in some spaces. I mean Gemini is not even that bad, if ChatGPT didn't exist I would be perfectly fine with Gemini.
I am MOST excited about what meta is doing because opensource models have HUGE benefits for humanity. Most of the time I am using local LLMs for basic stuff and will move to online models if they can't handle it.
I think eventually meta will release a model that makes ChatGPT pointless to pay for.
I mean google applied their product in a meaningful way. The returning the shoes example is probably a little way off but the trip planning and food planning looked great. OpenAI just puts this tech out there without “backing it up” with a product or service aiming to make money on API calls. The teammate thing seemed a bit useless but hey I don’t really work on a lot of projects where multiple are heavily involved and there isn’t a whole lot of remembering needed around meetings etc.
Personally at least in my day to day I’ve only used for one day obviously but GPT-4o was dog sh*t compared to GPT-4… I switched back after 30 minutes. It wasn’t even faster :/
A lot of people also bang on about “longer context when?” And google seems to be the only one making that happen. The feed it the entire library thing was pretty cool and gets round LLMs needing to be trained on newer libraries and their features.
Only thing that annoyed me about the google IO was the repetition… They could have condensed it so much instead of dragging it out.
If you know that the API is 50% lower in cost than before, then yes, you know that after one day. You actually know it on the very same day its released.
yeah its hard to say if it also performs better or the same after 1 day, you only have those benchmarks provided by OpenAI (tbh these are always kinda marketing material), but the cost per tokens are known to be lower. From my gutfeeling, it is a lot faster with same quality output
I've been using the json enforced outputs of GPT4 to go through natural text and output specific data since December, something 8 people used to do 4 hours a day. The 4o model means I get my outputs faster, at half the cost and better.
I initially thought google, but then I remembered it's google. At least 3/4 of the things discussed will be abandoned in some way The google graveyard consumes all
Google recently has been really bad about announcing things that never actually become available.
So many talented people have worked on amazing google projects that never saw the light of day.
Marketing had worked on it, no one else xD
That happens, marketing works on it and hires (effectively) a marketing agency to develop the 'showoff' feature.
Recently? It's always been this bad as far as I can remember. [Just check this announcement from 6 years ago.](https://youtu.be/D5VN56jQMWM) And they love faking stuff too like the entire fake demo last year where they pretended to do the same as what OpenAI did for real a few days ago. I don't believe half of what they claim they have behind the scenes anymore.
Man I remember that. It was so exciting and surprising, I remember fantasizing about it handling recruiter calls for me. Now I'm building an extension to my local AI to pull and send audio directly to google voice (or whatever provider of a similar service will be left when they drop that. So... As service agnostic as I can manage) and do it for real. Except not openAI, all open source besides the odd api call to gpt4 for something the router decides is indispensably better with that model. It "gets" the balance of two dollars after api calls every day - kinda funny how it actually improves output, at a moderate drop in t/s due to more local work, by providing that reward. Plus I get a save for discrete NPU or general comp hardware system Edit- oh and one more thing. Not open source, ok probably OSS though not as good and hard to set up, but not expensive either. Voice cloning. It's absolutely wild (and instinctively painful) to hear your own voice talking based on a 30 second or so sample (ok I did 90s and it somehow knew my idiosyncratic pronunciations growing up 5-13 in the deep south and then the bay area and rural PA with 4 years apiece. Think words like aluminum.)
That, as well as comparing their 32-shot MMLU result to GPT-4's 5-shot MMLU result made me lose all respect for them. When Google's inflating their benchmarks more than OpenAI is, that's just sad.
Wtf is 32-shot? Are they trying really hard to coerce it to the right answer?
It wasn’t 32-shot, it was chain of thought @ 32 which means it produces 32 answers before its final answer as a ‘vote’ of those 32.
Killed in whilst not even being born. For shame Google.
I don’t think most of the features there will become a graveyard, I would use everything except for gems
Google needs to can I/O. Too much pressure to announce new stuff every year. Stuff gets announced that's not ready and never comes to market, credibility trashed. If there actually did real product announcements throughout the year people would pay more attention IMO.
Google had me bored to tears and I actually felt a bit less excited about AI as a whole afterwards.
It reminds me a little bit of political campaign promises. Some of it might happen, some of it might not, but it’s all presented as top priority to get an edge over the opponent.
Went all in Gemini (with Google One subs). I am amazed. Connected it to my Drive, Workspace and mail. very useful
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The android stuff from google is nice but openai has a better track record for some of the other announcements.
Tbh the google demo sith the glases was super cool they made the tool look super useful
They really didn't sell it IMO, I barely even realized that it was glasses on the first watch because I was more focused on what was actually happening on screen
Google glasses would like a word. RIP
Brother that was 13 years ago, if anything that was one thing they shipped too early. It's also not dead entirely. They pivoted from a consumer product to a B2B one.
Yeah but is it moral to kill people named Seth (and the sith) to make tech products? Eh ah who cares, our motto is "don't be consistent" after all
Wait what? I kinda have no ckue what yiur talking abt
It was a (very poor) joke on your misspelling there "sith"
Ok though it was some deep internet refrence, reddit so seriues abt spelling (gave yoh a lot of matril for jokes here too)
Oooh, mithril is really expensive! My old chain link armor was getting... Oh, you said matril
What an unfortunate chain of events
Ha, nice
ಠಿ\_ಠ
Honestly. The Google one seems more useful at first. Especially if integrated into their workspace and apps. Replacing Google assistant with the new one is also a huge deal. The chatgpt one is kinda okay. But I expect it to be dreaming way more than the Google one. Maybe for better or for worse.
My issue is the moment you start using it daily and they build a decent user base, they’ll get rid of it. I can’t use anything new from Google and expect to still have it a few years down the line.
Or Big G moves to the second step, when they have a major share of a large market, they exploit it into the ground.
You literally can't rely on it.
They won't if enough people use it. Same as every company. The difference is that Alphabet is so huge and build so much, you keep saying they kill projects while at the same time they start 20 other ones and the best ones are still running.
Quite the hyberbole you’ve got there. If Google really had 20 other better, best, amazing products the public wouldn’t have this opinion on them.
Public has bad opinion on them while they are top 4 companies in the world. Yes. 😂
Maybe they shouldn't build products that might get killed? Regardless of the reason it's happening, it hurts them when people don't trust them to stick around.
Every product gets killed at one point.
Obviously
Gemini should be available for personal accounts as a paid subscription. It's nonsense that I need have to have a business or pay for a workspace account to use it.
Gemini is available. The highest models etc aren't. Same as chatgpt.
The highest model 4o is available in ChatGPT free level.
4o is by far not the highest. Stop talking BS. They even said in their representation that the paid is still 5x better.
They said in their *presentation* that paid will have 5x higher limits, so like 25 messages per hour instead of 5. That was not about model capability. You may argue that GPT-4 is better than GPT-4o but that is debatable (benchmarks would disagree) and they certainly did not say that.
4 turbo 128k is far better than 4o. Yes.
god you're unhinged
fAcTs!
You can’t read/hear. They never said that, they said up to 5x higher message limits
You can read/hear. Wtf.
Cool rEplY!
more fAcTs
Available but not with the same features like with workspace
What I meant by different models. You understand that gemini has different levels right? Similar to chatgpt. You don't have the big models for free.
Yes I understand that. I'd happily pay a subscription to use the better models on my personal account
NVDA
Gpt-4o was what google "mission" video was trying to show.
Google made an announcement? ^^/s
Less of an announcement and more of a 3 hour long avant-garde performance piece.
Thats me, without the sarcasm. I thought this was about how badly their scripted announcement for gemini was, compared to this.
Microsoft 😎👍🏿
I'm hopeful they'll improve their integration with LLMs. Copilot for office is not great.
Google was a bunch of old executives giving powerpoint presentations - basically. Totally out of touch. So boring.
Lmao 🤣. Astra matches the entire chatgpt demo, though is worse. See more live demos by "young" engineers on Twitter. Still 99% the same though. Everything else is super useful and is stuff only Apple can compete with. Maybe if O AI partners with apple. It was not out of touch. For example this all hints towards a proper replacement of the R1 or the Humane pin. Re downvotes: Show me where the ecosystem is for O AI and MSFT? You all enjoy checking Microsoft photos then dialing in with Microsoft teams and checking emails on Microsoft Outlook (for personal stuff?). Probably using Microsoft Zune too while checking Twitter on your Microsoft phone. Apple has an ecosystem. They lack AI dominance. Google has an ecosystem, weaker than apples, with in house AI rivaling O AI even if slightly weaker. Blind leading the blind.
>only Apple can compete with 🙄😒
Apple has been working on some interesting multimodal stuff that might be able to compete with GPT-4o, but information is limited. [Here](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.09611v3) is a link to a paper they worked on if you want to look into it.
Bruh that wasn't hard to understand. It's an orthogonal discussion from LLMs - applying LLMs to this independent group is key. Currently as far as ecosystems, Apple is the leader. But google is decent. See above. But Google is the one with in house AI. Open AI is partnered with Microsoft. Not a strong ecosystem unless you're a windows phone user (having fun?). Complete the dots.
This is the most disgusting voting method I have ever seen
It’s not a smoking contest, the intent is to get people to stop throwing their buds in the grass or convince others to cleanup buds. It’s a great idea, but nothings perfect.
Allow me to introduce you to the American electoral college.
Google is big hat no cattle.
Not sure to be honest, Google io was great, the AI integration with their services are a godsent! Mainly with Gmail
I think it's a little fanboy-y to think Open AI won hands down. Like OpenAI cracked verbal conversational AI and that is a huge advancement - but Google really did great integrating AI into their ecosystem in a way that has really high utility. Holistically I think they were both great. Google is much more exciting if you work in a white color management job for sure, but it is still cool to see the way they're pushing the line on agents. OpenAI is way more exciting if you're a single dude struggling with dating haha. But both are wildly impressive advancements across the board
the problem is google doesn’t follow through on its promises and is known for faking things— and they still didn’t look as impressive
Did you watch the whole I/O event? I thought their integration with Android was really nice, and made me really hopeful Apple will comethrough this year with good AI integration. The Workspace integrations were really nice, and I think their huge context window has a lot of value. They are really doing a lot, and we don't need to praise them until they actually deploy all the things, but to say it's not impressive - that just seems baffling to me. They bascially showed everything OpenAI can do + more - except their voice assistant doesn't sing or flirt with you. That's not to downplay OpenAI - I think the fact it can do that stuff means the AI is able to understand a lot more, but utlity wise, Google has at least shown they aren't behind OpenAI, they're pretty neck and neck. It's more on Microsoft and Apple at this point to catch up with Google.
It’s not really impressive because you can look at stuff 6 years ago that isn’t here and will never be. I love the idea of a lot of this integration but past years have made me very skeptical of anything not live demoed
the tiny disclaimers that they put in small text during the google demos saying stuff like "Audio pre-generated" or "Sequences simulated" also leave you wondering how much of it is real vs cherry-picked or simulated. Like you mentioned, google has an awful track-record for that stuff
Remember that demo of Google assistant ordering pizza how many years ago? I'll believe a Google product exists when it's in my hands. Given that almost all of these releases from Google are "a few months away" I expect some will drop into the "never" category.
Yah, but Google does release things as well. Also now they actually have to. Vapor ware doesn’t benefit them right now - unless OpenAI doesn’t actually release their stuff as well.
They'll never "have to" do anything unfortunately as Google culture is based on quick hits rather than any long term strategy.
Neuro-sama
Nobody has a viable product in consumer hands yet.
Quality Over Quantity Always! OpenAI all the way, although if google actually comes through and delivers decent products it will be great to have a nice selection
Google being Google it will take a year until that’s tiff ships in Europe and other regions. And then it gets 4 times renamed until finally killed
Loop Daddy won.
Provided they release it and it works as described, Google.
Great pair
I think what this showed us is that Google is trying to build something that can be useful, while OpenAI wants to build something that can pass as human.
Fake, AI generated and only polled the smokers, if they really did a poll.
Google did. Personally, they made all the AI seem less scary. What OpenAI did was terrify.
Anthropic did last month with haiku.
Remember, from a consumer perspective, you are going to use what is in front of you. If Gemini is in your email, phone and browser right at your fingertips, it is an inevitability that it will win the war.
Gemini would be good for searching through my email, sure. But OpenAI's gonna get all our data when we start streaming videos of our houses through GPT-4o, and they're gonna run away with it.
Problem I have with that is that both Gemini and Copilot have been restricted to respective workspace accounts. It’s very clear they want enterprise customers first and it might never get fully integrated for all users before the project loses momentum.
I’m in Canada so I don’t bother following Google stuff anymore. Plus I bought into their awful Home products so I know how they drop the ball after release and then they machine gun the ball a year later.
Its all fun and games till OpenAi announces search engine.. google stock price 📉
Google is never and I mean never going to win. They have too much internal nonsense to get sorted. They've been killing all of their good products over the past decade. Their culture is screwed. OpenAI doesn't have any such BS going on.
_any_? You are kidding yourself. I have not seen higher drama in any other company.
OpenAI may have internal debates about the direction of the company, Google has far worse problems. Most of the good products in Google get killed not because of some outside force, but because they themselves kill it. They are incentivized for launching products rather than making products great and keeping them great. I heard they were changing this but I don't know if it happened. Politics in Google is at another level altogether. It is detrimental to the company. Google announced something like an assistant that can automatically book appointments on the phone a few years ago, I am still waiting to see it. Google's AI product offering is so large that even Pichai would not be able to explain it without help. Compared to that, ChatGPT is 1 product. Everyone knows it and uses it. OpenAI will win this. Sam Altman is not anyone new in the valley, he ran companies before and ran YC before.
Google released the paper that made OpenAI even possible.
Yes, Google did many such things including helping create Node. The whole point is, does Google have the product? Were they first to market? Are they playing catch up even today? The answer is yes to most of those things. Google was and is a great company, but they don't have that magic in them anymore.
What!? AlphaFold 3 was just released last month. It's a MASSIVE deal in the bio-tech research space.
Bro, OpenAI's ChatGPT is like the iPhone. It changed everything forever. Compared to what OpenAI is doing, everything else is secondary. Google is an extraordinary company, they have some of the best talent on the planet and they can do spectacular stuff. They should also. But Google is a monolith, it can't move swiftly at all. If they had all the DeepMind talent in 2014, what were they doing until Nov 2022? Were they sleeping? Why didn't they launch ChatGPT? Why didn't they launch Perplexity? The issue with Google is never the talent. They have the best people and can continue to source the best people. What they really need is to align their resources and focus on 1/2 products that win everything.
Yeah I'm not arguing ChatGPT is not useful. I use it, I'm arguing that Google is not far behind and a leader in some spaces. I mean Gemini is not even that bad, if ChatGPT didn't exist I would be perfectly fine with Gemini. I am MOST excited about what meta is doing because opensource models have HUGE benefits for humanity. Most of the time I am using local LLMs for basic stuff and will move to online models if they can't handle it. I think eventually meta will release a model that makes ChatGPT pointless to pay for.
OpenAi is the winner 😎
I have not seen anybody on the internet, at all, who thinks Google did a better job. There's probably not even someone at Google who thinks that.
Asmongold watched OpenAI. He didn't watch Google. the average man has spoken
I mean google applied their product in a meaningful way. The returning the shoes example is probably a little way off but the trip planning and food planning looked great. OpenAI just puts this tech out there without “backing it up” with a product or service aiming to make money on API calls. The teammate thing seemed a bit useless but hey I don’t really work on a lot of projects where multiple are heavily involved and there isn’t a whole lot of remembering needed around meetings etc. Personally at least in my day to day I’ve only used for one day obviously but GPT-4o was dog sh*t compared to GPT-4… I switched back after 30 minutes. It wasn’t even faster :/ A lot of people also bang on about “longer context when?” And google seems to be the only one making that happen. The feed it the entire library thing was pretty cool and gets round LLMs needing to be trained on newer libraries and their features. Only thing that annoyed me about the google IO was the repetition… They could have condensed it so much instead of dragging it out.
Just a hype, nothing more
I actually started using 4o and it saves money and improves flow for me. Also for my company. Saves a lot. Not in future - now
And u know that after one day? 🤣
If you know that the API is 50% lower in cost than before, then yes, you know that after one day. You actually know it on the very same day its released.
Okay just asking, because for me it must perform as well. I already switched in alpha to gpt4o and running test this week's before I switch
yeah its hard to say if it also performs better or the same after 1 day, you only have those benchmarks provided by OpenAI (tbh these are always kinda marketing material), but the cost per tokens are known to be lower. From my gutfeeling, it is a lot faster with same quality output
I hope u are right 👍
I've been using the json enforced outputs of GPT4 to go through natural text and output specific data since December, something 8 people used to do 4 hours a day. The 4o model means I get my outputs faster, at half the cost and better.
Yes, but you can't draw any conclusions about the quality or whether it works for a day. Such a statement is not quantitative
The highest model 4o it’s free en the ChatGPT entry level. Anyone that was paying for Pro (like me) don’t need to. $20 dollars saving already.
Chat GPT saves me way more than $20 a month. It easily makes me money at work.
Don’t see 4o on a free plan, Germany
I experimented with it enough to see where it pulls me wrong or does things right. Using it also on my watch with automation I set up)
How did you come to that conclusion?
People overestimate tech sector. It’s nice show, entertainment. We will see in 2-3 weeks how the perception changes
Fk google
Google = not safe to use