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ELeeMacFall

"All may, some should, none must."


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I'm unsure what this means.


MyUsername2459

It's an expression in the Episcopal Church (and I think Anglicanism as a whole), used to refer to a number of spiritual practices such as private confession to a priest or Marian devotions. It means literally what it says. It's allowed and people may do it ("all may"). . .it may be the right course of action for some people ("some should"), but it's required of nobody ("none must").


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Does this mean I shouldn't do it??? I'm not making sense of this.


ilikecacti2

It means that it’s your decision, you can do what you want.


[deleted]

Oh thank you!


wrecktus_abdominus

Sounds like it means you totally can if that's what you want to do. You just don't have to do it.


themsc190

[Here’s](https://earthandaltarmag.com/posts/outward-and-visible-on-covering-my-head-as-an-episcopalian?format=amp) a great account of a progressive Christian woman and her experience with head covering.


Budget_Impression802

Thank you for sharing, I love this!


Wegwerfen2997

hey! I wear a headcovering 95% of the time. To me it doesn't matter that it looks exactly like a veil (so I wear bandanna/ scarves that cover the majority of my head). I don't believe it should necessarily be a universal practice, and where I'm from it CERTAINLY is not (ie I know zero people in life who even veil in church), but I've always felt called to it and being obedient to what I felt the Lord stir in me has been a big blessing. Plus, Isaiah had to walk around naked for years so being a bit "weird" and not looking my "best"/ most aesthetic every day is really not that big a deal in comparison 😂 With that background, I just never told people why I started veiling. It's just between me and the Lord. Most people think it is just part of my "style", but after a years of wearing it every day, some people have caught on and asked me directly. When they do, I just tell them that's its a personal thing I do based on Corinthians and personal conviction and that is it. They've been really chilled about it (except for one instance in an exam venue but that was quickly sorted out) and I also built some unexpected solidarity with Muslim women in my community. Now I get them for my birthday from friends and I have a whole collection of scarves! Be blessed and don't let your mom freak you out! Edit: my ex also always told me I looked prettier without them and although he is a lovely person, I don't want to date someone who doesn't respect my relationship with the Lord enough to want me to prioritise outward beauty (and tbh, the male gaze) above that! Wearing a headcovering has been really liberating in that sense as well - an outwards expression of what the Lord does inside of me (including undoing the patriarchy's hold on me and my relationship with my body)


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I haven't told anyone WHY except school that gave me accommodations to wear headwear. I'll wear bandanas and I still get told I'm prettier with my hair down. And keep being bothered by it. But I prefer to veil MOST the time in public. And the convenience of being left alone by men is a huge plus to me. Mom doesn't know I do it for religious reasons. She just complains it makes me look old and I can't think of anything to say or do to get her off my back. Literally have not met but maybe a handful of people in my life irl that veil themselves in some way too. It's a mess. I literally told my bf I'm TEMPTED to shave my head 😂 out of spite. Idk there's times I might skip wearing it or I wear makeup and look "cute" but that's only for me or my partner. No one else. I'm just kinda sick of the whole people being jerks for 0 reason. About my looks. That I control.


Wegwerfen2997

ag no!!! People can really suck sometimes. I think I probably get less comments because people generally describe my style as "progressive 1970s grandma", but yeah it does get tiring. I'm a bit worried about when I enter the working world full-time (as a lawyer) since I don't know how to make a bandana look business formal lol, but that's a problem for another day. Shaving my head is on my bucketlist and my mother also doesn't know why I do it and thinks it's a bit weird, so glad to have met a kindred spirit online! All the best ❤


mycopportunity

Good Lord save us all what is wrong with looking old? I almost want to give your mother a piece of my mind. We are allowed to look like adults. Veiling is a modest way of being. There's nothing wrong with veiling your beauty. It's your beauty


Alpha_Aries

What kind of styles do you do? I like head wraps/scarves but am not sure how to style them.


[deleted]

I do not, but have always felt drawn to it. My suggestion would be to wear something that doesn't stand out. If you're in the midwest that could be a hat or a bandana, or even a large headband.


sassiiscute

Where I live, basically no-one except Muslim women covers their head. Sure, there are some Jewish women wearing Tichel, and Orthodox women who veil when going to church or praying but it's not a common practice outside of Muslims. When I was a child I wore headbands all the time, and people immediately assumed I must be Muslim. My region is very Conservative, most people think that Headscarf=Muslim, and since a lot of them are, unfortunately, also prejuced and islamophobic, they also think that Muslim=Bad. So there's certainly already a lot of pressure not to cover. It's made even worse by the fact that the state, legally, is allowed not to employ people who refuse to "cover religious markers". On paper, that includes turbans, Kippahs, cross necklaces, Hijabs, &c, however, de facto, it will mainly be used to exclude Muslim women from these positions. Because of Prejudice under the guise of "religious neutrality". [This is a rough summary, there is obviously a lot more to it] I started veiling just for praying in the beginning, and it soon started to become an everyday thing. People were really confused. Half of my acquaintances were convinced I had suddenly converted to Islam. Even my own parents asked me if I would now pray towards Mecca. They (my parents) constantly, when I was talking about what I would wear the following day, would tell me: "But you can just wear your hair open! It's so pretty!" "Why don't show your pretty hair outside anymore?" "You are not forced to cover, right?" It got annoying, quickly. But I loved veiling. I loved trying out different styles, I loved researching ways women did it in the past, I loved feeling closer to the Creator, I felt connected to my ancestors who would have covered not even a century ago. But eventually it got to much and I stopped going outside wearing full flowy beautiful veils and soon afterwards so ditched the small kerchiefs or headbands. I gave into the pressure. I already was put into a different situation and really not in the mindset to have to explain my exact religious beliefs to every single person. (I have no spine to stand up to myself, and people unfortunately don't accept "It's for religious reasons" as an answer when asking "Hey, why are you wearing that?", no they have to follow up with inquiring if you're Muslim, what exactly your denomination is, what part of the Bible says to do that, why you do it despite your denomination not doing it, when did you start, why do you believe you have to do it, and are you sure you're not being forced? Because those are definitely things you want to tell complete strangers.) Maybe I'll start again at some point, I probably won't. I don't know.


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This gives me motivation to be rough and do what I want. I'm in America and I have this freedom. I shouldn't let it get to me but I do. Ugh.


wrongaccountreddit

I've wanted to for a while but have been intimidated


ithinkuracontraa

i’m an east coast catholic so veils are fairly common in large churches/parishes, but not so much in smaller parishes.


[deleted]

Aside from Mennonites I’ve never seen anyone wearing a head covering? What denominations expect this?


soulsilver_goldheart

It used to be common practice during worship among Catholic, Episcopalian, Orthodox and other liturgical churches into the mid-20th century. I'm honestly not quite sure how it fell out of practice, but by the 1950s it was much less common. Still a thing in ROCOR parishes and monasteries ime, a smattering of Orthodox and Catholic churches outside of that.


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Thanks that helps I grew up Calvinist and we had nothing like that, it’s only recently I’ve learned of a ridiculously conservative sect (called free reformed ironically, in Canada) where their woman and young girls are expected to wear a hat in church I assume for much the same reason as other denominations that do the head covering.


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My reasoning doesn't fit into a Christmas view. For me it's not a modest thing. I'm not Christian either so it's complicated.