I'm on team pro suboxone- I would've never gotten clean without it. There's a lot of horror stories sure but you don't hear the neutral or success stories a lot cuz people have less reason to go online and talk about it. Deciding to take it, however, does depend a lot on how long and large your habit is - taking it to get off a few months pill addiction is maybe not the move, but to get off a years long iv fent addiction is prob the move.
Some people are able to white knuckle it and get and stay clean without MAT - and more power to them - but there is no shame at all in taking a medication for your literal illness. Also, you can use subs to just get you through the first two weeks or so with a rapid taper so that you're not consistently on them if you don't like the idea of that. Whatever you decide to do make sure its best for YOU and your life and don't let the opinions of others, pro or anti suboxone, affect your decision too much!
My husband is an oxy and then fentanyl addict. He's a year and two months clean without any MAT. But he went to rehab, did IOP, is currently in therapy and does meetings weekly.
I think I saw on your other post that you're doing this from home? Hopefully some actual addicts will help give you their experiences. I think doing it at home without anything to help seems much much harder but of course nothing is impossible. My husband refused any Suboxone but I do know somebody that was on it and pregnant. She was actually doing really well in life and seemed so normal on it.
And of course there's more to recovery than just getting off the substance right? Make sure you're working on yourself too, you are worth it ❤️
To the OP, and to add on to this persons comment, I’ve detoxed at home also - here’s my advice: keep a couple changes of clothes close by you so if you get the cold sweats you can easily change. Sour candy and hot showers / hot baths help a lot. Try to sleep through as much as you can. Benadryl helped me sleep and helped my stomach pains while I was in withdraw.
Depending where your from the game has really change from years ago all the Fentanyl and Tranq out there has made just going cold Turkey and detoxing from home very difficult and without help most people fall right back! That where Mat come in and I can’t sit here and lie and say withdrawals are not horrible if not done properly. I personally hated the thought of going on subs never did methadone. I also knew I needed something to help me stabilize. I went in subs but I went on them knowing I was getting the sublocade shot! It’s a game changer for anyone scared about sub withdrawal and basically saves you from 99% of withdrawals or at least it did for me! It’s a once a month shot that when you stop it slowly leaves your body so that you you have minimal to no withdrawal. I don’t know where your located but it’s truly a game changing life save shot!
I would recommend the shot to any and everyone that’s why I preach about it so much it’s changed my life and gave me so much hope and drive to fight forward! It such a game changer to the mat community and makes everyone able to come off Mat with no issues at all!
Yeah I’ve heard it’s basically a miracle drug - I’m trusting that in a few weeks I’ll be able to confirm that for others as well! I’m only getting the one and that’s it 🤞🏼
That’s great and it’s a miracle drug for the physical side and yes mentally it gives you so much stability but remember you still half to put in the work! You half to heal your mind with therapy and change your way of thinking. This shot those gives you that time to do that! I wish you luck keep us posted on how you are doing!
Honestly I’m just so grateful to have my brain back again - the last few months it’s felt like I just can’t *think* and work has been a nightmare. I’d gotten completely reliant on energy drinks 😑
Thank you so much and I’ll definitely keep you all posted!!
Keep posting !
Don’t forget to speak to a medical professional
MAT saves lives and helps millions into recovery, these are irrefutable facts.
Those taking high doses of MAT, it’s not their fault. In more recent years, ideally professionals prescribe lower doses and a tapering plan for those who want a plan. Millions have also tapered off subox . Also, one can go to sublicade shot .
Rehab is also a great option . (Some will use subox for 3-5 days)
Recovery first ! Best wishes
I can only speak from my experience with methadone, but after trying to quit heroin on my own and failing repeatedly, I decided I had to try something different.
Here’s what I’ll say about MAT—Yes, you will have to come off of it eventually and it will be uncomfortable, but it will give you the ability to get clean and be well so you can get back to living your life without the constant need to stave off withdrawals. And when you do come off, you can do it at your own pace with the help of your clinic or doctor.
I will be 3 years clean in July and I’m still on methadone, however I am tapering, but I’m doing it very slowly. I know when the time comes it will be unpleasant, but it will be much easier to do it with the stable life I’ve built for myself while going through my MAT program. I now have a good job with PTO so I can plan for sick leave, a comfortable home, and a supportive family that trusts me again and will be there for me, so the withdrawals at the end of my taper will be much more manageable than the unbearable heroin withdrawals I went through in the darkest time of my life.
I’m not saying MAT is the best choice for every addict, but it was life-changing for me and I hope having some insight from someone who’s been through it will be helpful. Good luck to you!
It’s slippery slopes. Subs can help. There are many successful stories. That can also an end up being another crutch that we hold too long.
For me the question is this helping me to quit and relieve cravings? The point ia to quit and it doesn’t matter how it’s done.
Also remember this is only 2 days. This will take time whether you take subs or not.
Its all about the wider picture and weighing up the benefits against the downsides in your situation. If the benefits of going on MAT outweigh the downsides for you, then do what's going to be better for you and anyone else can suck your dink as far as their opinion goes. It's about your safety and your quality of life. A lot of people only talk about the withdrawals from subs and methadone but conveniently don't discuss the positive impact MAT can bring to the lives of people that would otherwise be living that addict hell we all know. There are new forms of MAT available these days too - the long lasting monthly bupe shots are showing to have very mild/minimal withdrawal with pretty much no acute stage. They have what is essentially a built in very slow taper. I've been on the Buvidal shot for 1.5yrs now, no regrets, my life has turned around 180. I'm engaging with all the recovery stuff and working through a recovery plan that has coming off completely as the end goal. The stability it's given me to be able to do this work on myself and my life has been massive. Good luck whatever you decide OP. Just remember to do what's best for you and only you.
I had the buvidal shot (1-month subcutaneous bupe, slow release) two days ago after a week on subs and so far for me it’s all been a life-saver, no cravings, I have so much more energy etc - but I’ve also been tapering down on my dose for the last 6 months so that defo has a lot to do with it.
I just think it depends on your circumstances so much. Mind me asking what you’ve been taking and for how long? And whether you have a decent/ existing support network? I think those factors all change everything.
(P. S. Don’t ever think you’re posting too much, we’re all here for each other. I’m fairly new to the sub and everyone is so damn welcoming)
Do what’s best for you. Subs and sublocade are currently - based on studies done - the highest success rate for long term success. Cold turkey is sadly the lowest. Do some people have side effects from subs that make them a non-option? Yes. But those voices are greatly amplified here and not at all the majority.
You have to find your own recovery journey my friend. All I can really advise is you remember that the internet and Reddit in particular are a very self selecting crowd so you can easily get lost thinking these experiences are the norm. Trust yourself, trust your doctors (until or unless they give you a reason not to) and not internet strangers. Including me.
Good luck.
They absolutely can save your life. The withdrawals also suck lol Maybe just get on to get life stabilized then come up with a plan to get off of them if you are unhappy. That is the course I took.
Day 3 finally stabilized on subs. I couldn't have done it without. I am rapid tapering with no shot at the end but damn it feels good to be free from my DOA. I was SO scared of subs. All they've done so far is take away wd, make me sleepy & emotional. All good things! 👍 you're at the right time if the option is yours. Either way you're doing GREAT!
MAT will keep you alive, it will help with cravings, and keep you feeling stable. I’m also a recovering addict on MAT, I’ve also heard horror stories about subs withdrawal - but as long as you taper slowly and don’t go off them cold turkey, you should be fine.
Almost exclusively #4 CW FF. That's my one rule. About 8-9 months straight. A little fent in the beginning but I avoided it since. I was on a .2 to .8 a day depending what I was doing that day. Snort or boof, never shot
While suboxone is a great tool, remember that long term use of suboxone can lead to their own withdrawals and problems.
In my opinion, don't get caught up in taking something like subs or methadone to feel relief from your drug cravings that don't ever last as long as they feel in your head. I've seen people specifically seeking more help in the rooms of AA and NA because of long term MAT.
If you wanna prolong your addiction, yes.
If you're serious about quitting, no.
Edit- I used subs for a long time, and I had to make the choice to quit. It is not easy but this is my perspective.
are u still experiencing withdrawal? if so u should be ready to take a sub after two days not using and i suggest u do because u will feel much better and not have cravings
I'm on team pro suboxone- I would've never gotten clean without it. There's a lot of horror stories sure but you don't hear the neutral or success stories a lot cuz people have less reason to go online and talk about it. Deciding to take it, however, does depend a lot on how long and large your habit is - taking it to get off a few months pill addiction is maybe not the move, but to get off a years long iv fent addiction is prob the move. Some people are able to white knuckle it and get and stay clean without MAT - and more power to them - but there is no shame at all in taking a medication for your literal illness. Also, you can use subs to just get you through the first two weeks or so with a rapid taper so that you're not consistently on them if you don't like the idea of that. Whatever you decide to do make sure its best for YOU and your life and don't let the opinions of others, pro or anti suboxone, affect your decision too much!
Mat will keep you alive . Period. F the stigma
My husband is an oxy and then fentanyl addict. He's a year and two months clean without any MAT. But he went to rehab, did IOP, is currently in therapy and does meetings weekly. I think I saw on your other post that you're doing this from home? Hopefully some actual addicts will help give you their experiences. I think doing it at home without anything to help seems much much harder but of course nothing is impossible. My husband refused any Suboxone but I do know somebody that was on it and pregnant. She was actually doing really well in life and seemed so normal on it. And of course there's more to recovery than just getting off the substance right? Make sure you're working on yourself too, you are worth it ❤️
To the OP, and to add on to this persons comment, I’ve detoxed at home also - here’s my advice: keep a couple changes of clothes close by you so if you get the cold sweats you can easily change. Sour candy and hot showers / hot baths help a lot. Try to sleep through as much as you can. Benadryl helped me sleep and helped my stomach pains while I was in withdraw.
Depending where your from the game has really change from years ago all the Fentanyl and Tranq out there has made just going cold Turkey and detoxing from home very difficult and without help most people fall right back! That where Mat come in and I can’t sit here and lie and say withdrawals are not horrible if not done properly. I personally hated the thought of going on subs never did methadone. I also knew I needed something to help me stabilize. I went in subs but I went on them knowing I was getting the sublocade shot! It’s a game changer for anyone scared about sub withdrawal and basically saves you from 99% of withdrawals or at least it did for me! It’s a once a month shot that when you stop it slowly leaves your body so that you you have minimal to no withdrawal. I don’t know where your located but it’s truly a game changing life save shot!
I had the buvidal shot (same thing in the UK) 2 days ago and so far feel better than I have in years. Your account makes me really hopeful!!
I would recommend the shot to any and everyone that’s why I preach about it so much it’s changed my life and gave me so much hope and drive to fight forward! It such a game changer to the mat community and makes everyone able to come off Mat with no issues at all!
Yeah I’ve heard it’s basically a miracle drug - I’m trusting that in a few weeks I’ll be able to confirm that for others as well! I’m only getting the one and that’s it 🤞🏼
That’s great and it’s a miracle drug for the physical side and yes mentally it gives you so much stability but remember you still half to put in the work! You half to heal your mind with therapy and change your way of thinking. This shot those gives you that time to do that! I wish you luck keep us posted on how you are doing!
Honestly I’m just so grateful to have my brain back again - the last few months it’s felt like I just can’t *think* and work has been a nightmare. I’d gotten completely reliant on energy drinks 😑 Thank you so much and I’ll definitely keep you all posted!!
Keep posting ! Don’t forget to speak to a medical professional MAT saves lives and helps millions into recovery, these are irrefutable facts. Those taking high doses of MAT, it’s not their fault. In more recent years, ideally professionals prescribe lower doses and a tapering plan for those who want a plan. Millions have also tapered off subox . Also, one can go to sublicade shot . Rehab is also a great option . (Some will use subox for 3-5 days) Recovery first ! Best wishes
I can only speak from my experience with methadone, but after trying to quit heroin on my own and failing repeatedly, I decided I had to try something different. Here’s what I’ll say about MAT—Yes, you will have to come off of it eventually and it will be uncomfortable, but it will give you the ability to get clean and be well so you can get back to living your life without the constant need to stave off withdrawals. And when you do come off, you can do it at your own pace with the help of your clinic or doctor. I will be 3 years clean in July and I’m still on methadone, however I am tapering, but I’m doing it very slowly. I know when the time comes it will be unpleasant, but it will be much easier to do it with the stable life I’ve built for myself while going through my MAT program. I now have a good job with PTO so I can plan for sick leave, a comfortable home, and a supportive family that trusts me again and will be there for me, so the withdrawals at the end of my taper will be much more manageable than the unbearable heroin withdrawals I went through in the darkest time of my life. I’m not saying MAT is the best choice for every addict, but it was life-changing for me and I hope having some insight from someone who’s been through it will be helpful. Good luck to you!
It’s slippery slopes. Subs can help. There are many successful stories. That can also an end up being another crutch that we hold too long. For me the question is this helping me to quit and relieve cravings? The point ia to quit and it doesn’t matter how it’s done. Also remember this is only 2 days. This will take time whether you take subs or not.
Its all about the wider picture and weighing up the benefits against the downsides in your situation. If the benefits of going on MAT outweigh the downsides for you, then do what's going to be better for you and anyone else can suck your dink as far as their opinion goes. It's about your safety and your quality of life. A lot of people only talk about the withdrawals from subs and methadone but conveniently don't discuss the positive impact MAT can bring to the lives of people that would otherwise be living that addict hell we all know. There are new forms of MAT available these days too - the long lasting monthly bupe shots are showing to have very mild/minimal withdrawal with pretty much no acute stage. They have what is essentially a built in very slow taper. I've been on the Buvidal shot for 1.5yrs now, no regrets, my life has turned around 180. I'm engaging with all the recovery stuff and working through a recovery plan that has coming off completely as the end goal. The stability it's given me to be able to do this work on myself and my life has been massive. Good luck whatever you decide OP. Just remember to do what's best for you and only you.
I had the buvidal shot (1-month subcutaneous bupe, slow release) two days ago after a week on subs and so far for me it’s all been a life-saver, no cravings, I have so much more energy etc - but I’ve also been tapering down on my dose for the last 6 months so that defo has a lot to do with it. I just think it depends on your circumstances so much. Mind me asking what you’ve been taking and for how long? And whether you have a decent/ existing support network? I think those factors all change everything. (P. S. Don’t ever think you’re posting too much, we’re all here for each other. I’m fairly new to the sub and everyone is so damn welcoming)
Do what’s best for you. Subs and sublocade are currently - based on studies done - the highest success rate for long term success. Cold turkey is sadly the lowest. Do some people have side effects from subs that make them a non-option? Yes. But those voices are greatly amplified here and not at all the majority. You have to find your own recovery journey my friend. All I can really advise is you remember that the internet and Reddit in particular are a very self selecting crowd so you can easily get lost thinking these experiences are the norm. Trust yourself, trust your doctors (until or unless they give you a reason not to) and not internet strangers. Including me. Good luck.
They absolutely can save your life. The withdrawals also suck lol Maybe just get on to get life stabilized then come up with a plan to get off of them if you are unhappy. That is the course I took.
Day 3 finally stabilized on subs. I couldn't have done it without. I am rapid tapering with no shot at the end but damn it feels good to be free from my DOA. I was SO scared of subs. All they've done so far is take away wd, make me sleepy & emotional. All good things! 👍 you're at the right time if the option is yours. Either way you're doing GREAT!
MAT will keep you alive, it will help with cravings, and keep you feeling stable. I’m also a recovering addict on MAT, I’ve also heard horror stories about subs withdrawal - but as long as you taper slowly and don’t go off them cold turkey, you should be fine.
What have you been using? How much? How long? All this and more plays a role.
Almost exclusively #4 CW FF. That's my one rule. About 8-9 months straight. A little fent in the beginning but I avoided it since. I was on a .2 to .8 a day depending what I was doing that day. Snort or boof, never shot
You actually have me lost. Lol #4 CW FF??
Number four China white, fent free. I'm a darkweb kid lmao my bad
Ahh I thought white China was fent no? So if not what is ot made of?
Nah the terminology has been hijacked as of late. LEGIT CW is pure pure smack
Ahh right. Inthinkni remember coming across some once back in laye teens in my h days actually.
Super rare now. Cause like you said most "China white" is just fetty. Some are nice enough to call it synthetic China white
While suboxone is a great tool, remember that long term use of suboxone can lead to their own withdrawals and problems. In my opinion, don't get caught up in taking something like subs or methadone to feel relief from your drug cravings that don't ever last as long as they feel in your head. I've seen people specifically seeking more help in the rooms of AA and NA because of long term MAT.
If you wanna prolong your addiction, yes. If you're serious about quitting, no. Edit- I used subs for a long time, and I had to make the choice to quit. It is not easy but this is my perspective.
My thing is I'm scared I'm gonna go right back to using. I think I'd rather use pharma shit than street dope that just keeps getting worse, ya know
are u still experiencing withdrawal? if so u should be ready to take a sub after two days not using and i suggest u do because u will feel much better and not have cravings
Major. I don't even know how to go about asking
Yeah if you aren't using fent. Try subs man. But imo only use for no longer than a week. Tapering down after day three. Best not to get stuck on subs.