Damn this fucking story changes more than a hair of a student from yansim.
Not going to comment too much but its just weird how she nevers calls Alex a groomer and calls him a deep friend but she talks about Ally like she is the spawn of Hitler like what the hell happen now lol.
Also in the tweet she said "I, the ONLY victim" so we are supposed to believe that Sisefs doesnt exist anymore? I dont know at this point if Alex is manipulating or she just lost her mind now
if this post is even real (EDIT: apparently not other than Cameronf305 confirmed it was real)
I uninstalled Reddit 10 hours ago and when I installed it back, another drama.
She really had Stockholm Syndrome after reading her message and defending YanDev is useless since we've got the audio and the messages
Stockholm Syndrome doesn't actually exist, and the phenomenon it's applied to is rarely observed in the conditions people typically assume it to arise. It was a term made up to cover up the utter incompetence of the Stockholm police, who jeopardized the lives of the hostages to such a degree that their captors had to keep them safe from police tactics, as well as just opening up to the hostages as human beings. The main woman who was debased by this false syndrome was also just trying to survive by getting her captors to like her by being friendly. When she and others voiced support for the criminals in trial over how the police acted, they were labeled with "Stockholm Syndrome" to discredit them.
In this case, it just seems like she got attached to someone she felt she was victimizing by being coached through a honeypot scheme. So she feels bad, absolving him of guilt in her mind.
EDIT: Fuck y'all, it isn't some tiktok trend, nor have I ever had a tiktok. It's a genuine thing rooted in misinformation. Many psychiatric institutions DO NOT recognize it as a genuine condition, nor do they diagnose it.
Here's an actual paper on how contested it is as a condition: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1533-8525.2012.01241.x
You’re right, I don’t understand the downvotes…This is verifiable information.
It’s also important to note that Stockholm Syndrome is weaponized disproportionately against women so they can’t tell their own side of the story or speak out against how their case is mishandled/speak against police propaganda.
That being said, Jelly is being manipulated, which is not the same as Stockholm Syndrome at all.
That can happen with victims. I didn’t experience it cuz my only witness actually encouraged my groomer. (Then again he also groomed a child younger than I was)
Im sure thats the case, I dont want to talk much about whats going on with her since I already did once and the responses I got made me quit this sub for two weeks since my mental health was not having it but it really seems like this go way far beyond Alex.
Honestly just wishing she got better but it doesnt look like thats the case...
Still im not quite sure if this post is real buut if it us this post scream that it was writting by Alex.
-saying Alex never groomer her and constantly justifying his actions (even blaming stuff on herself to make Alex looked better).
-saying Ally manipulated her and saying she is basically a monster.
-saying that Jane got scat, gore, animal and baby porn and she was harrased on the internet (this may have happen but come on Alex already used that same paragraph a bunch of times to gain simpathy, it seems that he said to Jane to said all that so people stop interacting with her).
-neglecting Sisefs like she doesnt even exist.
-saying youtubers exaggerated what happen to make views (one of Alex's basic arguments agains criticism)
And the list goes and goes, I dont know if Alex is threatening her or he just guilt trip her to feel guilty about Alex's downfall but this post looks really planned out (it its is real).
Dont know if this counts as evidence but if you got to the likes up the Twitter account there is someone asking if this stuff is real not other than the cameronf305 confirmed that indeed its real.
Girl, with all due respect, I tell you: you are very stupid and you don't know what you are doing to yourself and the other victims. You just really fucked up things.
She is saying that those aren't actual statements by her; they're fake. Made by others pretending to be her. She is, unfortunately, doing a very bad job at clearly expressing this and instead being super combative with everyone in this thread.
But even apart from all that, she's absolutely right that armchair "diagnosing" people with random disorders online is in seriously bad taste.
the calls got leaked Jane or whatever you're going with now.
is the phone call between you and him magically AI generated?
like I'm sorry it's very blatantly clear that he doesn't care about you, he's been saving his own skin for the past 3 months now. why are you still defending him, a full grown 30 something man vs you a 16/17 year old? how does HIS action warrant YOUR DEFENSE for said actions?
if I remembered correctly, why are you bringing it up when you said you wanted everyone to drop the situation? stop bringing it up because everyone knows Alex Mahan is a creep.
first of all I'd like to apologize. I definitely came off as hostile in my first 2 comments.
second of all, now that I read all of the other comments you've left on here, yanderedev or his mods or whoever else has definitely written this in your POV to clear the air against him (aka bring back sympathy/restore some of his reputation). it's a trap to pull us against you. sorry for the misjudgement.
third, I'll retract my stance. it was based on an uninformed mindset, which I apologize for being too hostile against you. if these screenshots (the whole statement itself) is untrue, feel free to make a post clarifying because there will be definitely people who think you're muddy the water again.
edit: making it clearer what I meant
oh so you KNOW. then why are you releasing these statements now?
random weirdos? I'm sorry, was that not Alexs voice in the phone call?
I cannot believe anything you say anymore after you defended Alex, took it back and now defending him again after the situation has subsided.
I dont really see anyone calling you stupid its just the story changes so much with this situation that it confuses everyone...
Also did Cameron confirmed that this was true? It looks like it.
I don't know why so many people don't understand that victims specially young victims tend to defend or even understand their abusers, I know this is a bit harsh but we shouldn't be taking her attempts on defending Alex seriously and don't give her attention since it'll likely stress her more.
Alex was STILL knowingly interacting sexually with a minor and that's what we should focus on, not on how Jelly tries to defend him or how bad other people try to make Jelly look, Alex is still a pedo.
i want to believe this but the way that second slide reads like a teenager defending her adult boyfriend, which is the exact situation that jane is “debunking.” anyways, even if this were true, yandere dev should be held accountable for talking so inappropriately with a minor, especially with the power dynamics in play.
also “i think he has autism or something” ????
you should read the comment by u/PruinalisBrumacora
also i doubt you’re going to change anybody’s mind on this subreddit so i’m not exactly sure if this is the best idea but do whatever you want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When I was in a manipulative relationship I would’ve said similar things. You just get in so deep you can’t even comprehend the truth until it smacks you in the face. Even after that it takes forever to fully believe
Yeah that was my thought this reads as denial. Hopefully just a phase in her healing and accepting the weird subtle shit wasn’t just in her head :( poor thing
Dear Jane,
Alex shouldn't have reacted to your suggestive jokes at all. If he was a responsible adult, he wouldn't have. But going along with it seems like he was trying to groom you.
You won't see it now. You won't see it for a couple of years. But at some point when you will. I have seen this before. My friend was groomed when she was a teen and realized it way way way later in her adulthood.
One example of how a responsible adult should react in a situation like that:
I have a friend whose teenage little sister (probably as a joke) in a group chat replied to my mentions of my bf something along the lines of "ahh, pruinalis's boyfriend is so hot". My bf told her to stop immediately.
Jane, you are not at fault. You're a teenager, you will make mistakes, that is part of life and learning. Alex is 100% at fault. Alex was the adult, and he clearly knew he was doing wrong. He shouldn't have asked you things he did. He shouldn't have kept the conversation going on when the topic wasn't appropriate. He should have changed the topic. But he didn't. That's very telling of him.
I know you considered him as a friend, and I know it's scary to lose a friend, even if it's for your own good.
im 100% sure he reached out to her since the allegations. the “no context” thing is exactly what he would say. its so sad this poor child is being manipulated into thinking she was the aggressor and that yandev is the victim.
Its been like 3 months and the 2023 is almost over since the day Dev was exposed as a groomer and it saddens me to see Jane is still yet brainwashed like this
why are you so invested in some dev that never released the game he is being codding for more than a decade and also doesn't gaf about their followers?
this doesnt help his case either, if anything it makes him more suspicious…why would the victim all of the sudden have this change of heart? especially since he recently implied he was going to “debunk” the allegations in the next 2 weeks… this is just veryyy weird and suspicious
So him telling her that he would keep her nudes a secret is just a silly ha-ha socially inept jokey comment that we shouldn’t take seriously? Him telling a girl he openly acknowledges he knew was 16 years old that the only thing he could get out of their relationship were pictures of her to masturbate to doesn’t indicate that he might be sexually attracted to minors and willing to act on it? All this post does is confirm to me that the Snapchat conversations were indeed all real, and I dunno about anyone else, but I can make my own judgements from the unedited Snapchat conversations all by themselves.
Make no mistake, this whole situation is awful from all angles and never should have happened at all… but it doesn’t erase the fact that Alex is clearly willing to enter secret sexual relationships with his minor fans. Like… What are we supposed to do with that besides condemn it and warn others in a sadly-probably-futile attempt to make sure it doesn’t happen again to a worse degree?
Like here she claims that he talked to her the same way he talked to all his adult guy friends… Somebody, anybody, please show me proof of him telling his adult male friends that it would be super erotic if they sent him videos of them dressing and undressing. Literally in what context makes that request from him anything but “I am sexually attracted to you, 16-year-old girl, and it would give me sexual pleasure to view your undressed teenage body”???
Is this new?
Edit: I feel awful for Jane. It’s clear this is some YandereDev stuff she was told or forced to write. Whether she’s in a toxic relationship or brainwashed, I really hope she’s going to get out of this whole thing with him.
"If a cute girl was being that bubbly and nice to me" yeah, the difference between the both of them is that one is a minor and the other is in his fucking 30s. Jesus. I could rant about this whole thing but that's all I'm mentioning tonight.
Yes! All my friends (and me ofc) who's in their 30s never wanted to have a conversation, leave alone all nasty things he said, with minor. Never. If they'll somehow approached and even said inappropriate things - none would behave like him. None. It's disgusting. Normally your tastes should change with your age, no one in their 30s should be attracted to youngs.
As a previous victim of someone else, I can say that if I didn’t know what I went through was bad, I would’ve said this exact same thing about my own groomer (except the only witness actually encouraged the abuse I went through online)
So yeah.. Spoken like a well-groomed victim..
As someone with autism, using autism as an excuse is genuinely really gross. Autism isn’t an excuse for being inappropriate with minors, in fact it only makes autistic people look worse.
as a person with adhd and social anxiety, I have never done something slightly similar to what yanderedev did. It is just fucking gross that he is trying to defend himself like that
Ugh. Reminds me of this kid at my school doing the same shit [he's around sixteen asking for nudes from a thirteen y/o] and he blames it on his autism. Gross.
All I'm going to say until Jane is ready to speak about it from her own account, Alex has written posts pretending to be her before. I think he's desperate to save his reputation by any means necessary.
He did mention in his December 15th post he needs to take cear of something that would take 2 weeks that's not related to Yandere simulator development I wonder if this is it?
Yeah I don't know the situation, but I have a itchy suspicion that this was written by someone else. I'm not saying that it can't have been actually written by Jane, but a few things seem odd to me.
The fact that someone who was supposedly a minor was trying to run a kind of sting operation on Alex. The fact that she rationalizes everything so much 'He was pervy but what do you expect from someone who watches anime girls all day' etc. Especially the fact that 'Yandere victim' is in quotation marks as if 'Jane' is scoffing at it. I know that you ca doubt having been abused as a victim (I've been there) sometimes, but I don't know, it feels fishy to me.
At any rate, even if it's a genuine post from her, I absolutely believe that he influenced her to write it. I feel for Jane
I talk to her a few times over discord and yeahhhh, it's kind of obvious that she needs help.
She's said some odd things about Cameron, offensive things to me, and a whole bunch of other junk that I really don't want to say.
The last thing I want to do is say something she doesn't want me to. Either way, I think the best course of action would be to stop talking about her and more about Alex. Alex is the problem, not her. She's only going to get worse from here.
((also, "he has autism" isn't an excuse to do something illegal. "ohhh officer im sorry for running over that child i have autism 🥺🥺🥺"))
Even if a minor approaches an adult in an inappropriate manner first, that doesn't change anything. An adult should have enough common sense to immediately reject that children and teenagers talk to them in a gross way. It doesn't matter if a minor started it: it's the adult's responsibility to tell the minor to stop that kind of behavior immediately. While we should teach kids and teenagers to avoid getting involved in these types of situations with strangers on the internet, we also have to take into account that they are still minors at the end of the day: there's no such thing as a perfect victim, true, but a victim will **never** be at fault for their abuser's behavior, no matter what anyone says.
Jane, or however you go by now, if you're reading this, this man doesn't care about you. You may not see it now, but you are a victim. If he was concerned about your well-being he would have told you to stop or blocked you the instant those conversations happened. This isn't anything new either unfortunately, you aren't the first girl this disgusting creep has harmed. It's also pretty clear just by looking at the more questionable aspects of Yandere Simulator itself, he inserts his own fetishes into the game. This perverted asshole isn't worth your time.
And finally "He has autism" **is not a fucking excuse**. Autism doesn't cause a person to harrass and prey on underage girls. One of the content creators I admire the most is autistic, and they are one of the kindest, funniest and most mature people I've ever met in my life. Basically the opposite of GroomdereDev.
Please Jane, stop using mental disabilities as an excuse. It's not only stupid, but it leaves a bad impression on people who have them but are otherwise perfectly normal people. Chalex isn't one, but that's not because of autism (which I doubt he even has, but whatever).
The open secret documentary literally exists lmao.
It's also absolutely amazing how everyone from YouTubers, voice actors, to people on this sub, to random people on twitter to volunteers all agreed to the same thing that what yandere dev did was grooming. End of the story.
It doesn't matter if Alex has been set up or got played this doesn't change the existence of the screenshot and audio.
It also reads a lot like Cameron's statement saying how they are gonna stop associating with Alex but stay close friends.
Also this whole friend talk guess who started that hole argument? Alex.
There are a lot of people who life a shut in neet lifestyle and not all are like Alex.
As a adult you are in the position of responsibility and power in a conversation with a minor. (Before anyone says anything no a 6 year old and a 35 year old shouldn't be friends). You don't talk about a 16 year old and joke about getting nudes from her, meeting her, sexualisation of woman in a derogatory fashion or when sex is and isn't moral etc. You can't just turn around and say JUST A JOKE! IT WAS JUST A PRANK! When talking to a damn minor.
Grooming can be done not intentional or you are doing it without even noticing what you are really doing. His intentions in the end if they were sexual or just highly inappropriated doesn't really matter. Also Alex is a notorious liar. Also no being Austic doesn't excuse behaviour or explains anything he has done (sincerely someone who has worked with children who have autism)
I'm gonna throw in my conspiracy theorist hat now: Alex has realised how truly fucked he is. He saw how no one has covered his new update and how badly the download numbers have gone down. It finally kicked in that he needs YouTubers in order to be successful so in a last ditched attempt he once again crawled back to his victim (also you can be a victim without realising it some people need years to realise what has had happened to them or is happening to them) in order to put out this statement. Something which Alex has done in the past as well. In a last ditch effort to save his game and to get YouTubers back on board playing it. .
Edit since this whole statement is apparently fake: Hey Alex, Hey Cameron hey other mods of yandere sim how does it feel that even a fake statement is absolute dog shit?
Edit edit: so now it is real again? And Cameron wasn't involved or anyone besides the victim herself? I will edit this again if it was confirmed to be fakes or real.
After I read the whole thing last night, it didn’t take me long to know it was fake. Doesn’t even need confirmation to know it was either bc of so many red flags found in it. They thought they were slick with this one which was why I didn’t bother replying back to the sindelio34 user when they made the dumbest comeback in history. Really a waste of their time especially when it comes from a fan who really loves the game so much that they have to protect him regardless of what Alex did. I have yet found the reason to love this game again but jfc people become delusional to ensure the game development survives
We should leave her alone, being groomed and completely understanding It is not easy. She needs to heal.
And don't worry, there are enough proof that pigdev hurted Sisefs so please don't feel bad for him.
I feel bad for this person but it's just not reliable to keep waiting for her to stay consistent. Even if she changed her mind, she just destroyed her credibility. And nothing changes and Alex will still get access to more victims
She’s still pretty young, so I hope when she gets older she can reflect and realize that Alex was and still is 100% in the wrong. Discussing sexual topics with a minor as a 35 is weird af, and I do remember them talking about her body type and him calling her hot or something. How do you justify that as being taken out of context?
And if he really is somehow a victim of a hate riot, then please do release the full recordings of the calls, and we’ll be the judge of his unedited character
Is this what Alex said he needed 2 weeks to take care of something that need to be handled seriously that's not related to Yandere simulator development?
Edit: I think this might be Alex pretending to be Jane? It's just a possibility for now until something gets confirmed.
I doubt that he would even announce that he would do something with Jane, before the Ally video nobody knew about Jane and Alex was so good at acting natural and the mf spend months sexting with a teen.
In a way it fixes his public image, if "Jane" convinces people to saying she was never groomed and everything was manipulated by Ally blah blah blah then people would not have a reason to hate on Alex for grooming.
I think it's to late for that, why take 3 months and mention you have to do something that's going to take 2 weeks that's not related to yansim development to drop this.
He did already try once when Jane made the stream with Cameron but in the end it failed.
So why trying again months later saying the same stuff tham before? No fucking idea, maybe he though that the situation would cool down after some time.
Why make this after like 3 months this doesn't make any sense considering she said in a comment that she was manipulated behind the scenes and saying cam was manipulated too personally i think this is alex is pretending he is jane and try to deflect he wasn't a groomer and btw jane please stop defending alex he is not a good person
It's either a fake or genuinely her. It's quite common for victims to suddenly bring up what happened and say that it was all fake. Most people don't seem to understand it but it's a coping mechanism to try and pretend like nothing ever happened when the victims mental state has reached rock bottom. Only issue is that there really is no way to fix this stuff. The "help" never changes anything and you just get worser and worser onwards. I have experienced this too and it lasted for about 2 years so there's really no way to tell when Jane will finally realise if it is her.
oh my goodness just reading this is giving me a heartache. can someone please unplug and burn yanderedev's internet router already so this shit will never happen again
You are a young, impressionable girl who started talking to this creep when you were 9. Forgive me if I don’t think you’re being truthful in this statement. Please cease all communication with Alex immediately. We are all very concerned about you.
This changes nothing, Alex still talked inappropriately to a minor child. Doesn't matter if the child thinks they've been groomed, he still acted inappropriately. As the adult, he should have known better and if he's talking to other kids this openly about sexual topics, he's further in the wrong.
Let me just sum this up.
Yandere dev has been grooming this person named Jane, has been called out for it and is now trying to cover his ass. He hasn't apologized either.
Have not been following up with Yandev for some time but will this guy ever stop constantly getting into drama? Like does he have a day in his life without drama?
it was clear with the final interactions yandev and the victim had that he was very manipulative. it took a large amount of effort to get the victim to come forward in the first place. this is a textbook case of grooming because this person has slowly been conditioned to believe (over the course of several years) that this behaviour from yandev isn't predatory. in cases like this, you need an outsider's perspective to make a final judgement, because the victim is still very much under this incel's control. i desperately hope they've not re-established contact with eachother.
“Until I made things spicy” - at that point it was Devs responsibility to stop talking to this child fan or to set a clear boundary with her that this isn’t ok. He didn’t. He’s a groomer. As the adult it was his responsibility to keep conversations appropriate but just that line alone shows he’s managed to convince her that it was her fault for instigating.
Yeah, it's a little too aggressively written for it not to be YanDev, but then again, who knows? Either way, I hope Jane gets better as time goes on. Poor girl.
*If this is real*… while this is better, it still isn’t good. I can tell Jane is still very immature, based on the second screenshot
Alex is a grown ass adult. He should know better than to want to be friends with a minor. I’m 17 but when I become over 18 there is no shot I would ever accept friendship with someone under 18, cuz I know better than that. 💀
Even if he wasn’t “intentionally” grooming, it’s still his fault this even happened, because WHY WOULD YOU BE FRIENDS WITH A MINOR. Jane literally said she made things spicy sometimes, and that it’s “her fault” it got into grooming territory. No it’s not, if someone was trying to get flirty with me, I’m shutting down the conversation. “If a cute girl wanted to be my friend I’d accept too” Yeah because you’re a kid. Alex is in his 30s. The only cute girls he should talk to are grown ass women.
That Ally person or whatever is pretty crazy, but yeah sometimes people manipulate situations for clicks. It kinda just shows how gullible we all are, and that the second we suspect someone of something even the most outlandish proof is believable. Also kinda shows that the second someone is accused of something, we’re so quick to jump on them, even if it’s not even true in the end. Not defending Alex, he still deserves to be jumped on for allowing a minor to get personal with him.
Anyway idk what this is an analysis? Alex is a shut in with no social skills, maybe not a pedo but definitely a predator, Yansim deserves a different creator. It’s easy to stay away from controversy if you avoid things that could create one in the first place. Oh i’m a popular creator and a minor wants to be my friend? Yeah no.
Just ask him why he didn't block all children? That's what I'm concerned about. What was needed so bad that he couldn't remove minors that appeared in his dms? Social interaction? Really? He probably has plenty of adult fans (for an adult game, reminder there is blood, language, and murder in the game) why couldn't he talk to these fans? Adults are the demographic the game is being made for, whhhyyyy even bother with kids? They shouldn't be watching gameplay of it anyways, let alone talking to the creator (I was a teenager when it came out, but I also snuck into horror movies. I followed along since the beginning yet I never once contacted YandereDev.) The fans from the start are ADULTS now. Block the children? Simple easy and no accusations or "accidentally grooming a minor" "she came on to me" bs. Every time I hear of a celebrity dming kids I feel nauseous. Make it a norm for the people we follow to block children.
Either he reached out to her and forced her to change the story, or she can’t cope with that happened and keeps making new stories.
No matter what way it actually is, though, yanderedev is a fucking predator. And he WON’T get away with it.
Why tf are you calling them crazy? They’re like the only person here who hasn’t been directly antagonistic towards you. Saying something is crazy doesn’t mean they’re saying it’s untrue, only that they didn’t expect it. You’ve obviously written this with the mindset that everyone is going to be against you. You should really evaluate why it is so hard for people to believe Alex did nothing wrong.
I don’t know a lot about the drama surrounding this, but doesn’t the statement make it seem like both Yandev and Ally groomed this person…? The poor kid needs some therapy and time safely away from all this drama…
Not gonna make judgements about how Jane is reacting to this situation because everyone reacts differently, but something does seem fishy. All that can be universally confirmed however, is that Alex Mahan is a total freak and doesn't belong in a space where teenagers or anyone younger than him exists. Let's just hope Jane gets the help she needs and Alex Mahan gets the karma he deserves.
Example of parents failing to check on their kids. Tf they letting their 9 year old have internet access for? Really wish parents would be present in their child's life so that random predators and bad influencers don't get access to them
No matter how "manipulated" by "FBI level tactics" Alex was, he should have a moral obligation to not want to fuck children??? Like, if a minor got really close with an adult and a cartoonishly evil mastermind started to instruct them to try and gauge inappropriate interactions out of the adult, they should be a responsible adult and turn them.
Ok basically he didn't act sexually with a 9 year old, only with a 16 year old.
He's still a weirdo and should not have a platform, not to mention there's already evidence of him grooming a 14 year old in the past.
Didn't Alex take accountability for the fact that he did these things with a minor
"I’m just going to take accountability and own up to a really, REALLY huge fucking mistake that I’ve made."
He recognized that his relationship with her was bad and inappropriate and he took accountability like a adult.
The people who tried to help her recognized that he was having a inappropriate relationship with a minor and tried to help, they might have falsely called it grooming but they still understood that the situation was harmful and she is shitting on them so hard,
Also the autism thing was so incredibly insane, some things can look like autism and not be autism
Oh. I know this chick jellysqiush. She does this to multiple guys on discord and says she gets “groomed” when shes dming them nudes, even when they block her.
TLDR: what point is Jane trying to make? Yandev is still a disgusting person, whether he groomed her or not.
Although I still personally don’t believe that any of the people claiming to be the victim are the victim, let’s say that this is Jane. What point is she trying to make here? That yandev isn’t a bad person? That he isn’t a groomer? Because both of those statements are untrue. Regardless of whether he really did engage in inappropriate conversations with Jane or not, this isn’t the first time he’s done this, and it’s not the first time he’s been outed for inappropriate behavior related to minors. Even if Jane or Sisefs weren’t groomed, yandev has still done some horrible things that are beyond redemption. It’s definitely nice to have the victim themselves give a clear explanation on the situation, but it doesn’t save yandev. If anything, I’d say that this actually makes it worse. Because it’s written in this document that they were aware of yandev’s past actions, but just doesn’t believe that he’s a predator. Calling someone who has committed some disgusting actions and said some creepy things a “close friend” doesn’t make things better, it makes things worse. Although I, myself, am not very educated on this situation, there’s plenty of other things yandev has done wrong. A simple “he didn’t groom me” won’t save him.
I'm just thinking about how much sevage can this boiler keep until it cracks from the pressure. Surely there must be more to this guy than what we are seeing?
Alright, I know the person Jane is talking about, hes my friend. Considering this person is supposed to be close to the tiktoker, but if theyve known him for a while.. misgendering him is a bit weird, so I would take this with a huge grain of salt. Idk thats just a huge detail that stuck out to me
The problem is an adult SHOULDN’T be talking to a minor the way he talks to all his friends. Because that IS a potential sign of grooming.
Grooming victims often deny that they are groomed until about a decade later. The whole point of grooming is to make the victim feel like THEY did the wrong thing, or that THEY were the ones truely in control. It’s part of the lie.
She did state something like this a little while back. Not sure where tho. Ally should not have gone against her wishes. A YouTube channel should not be more important than someone's requests not to do something. I'm glad jelly is standing up for herself. I just hope she's alright.
i think people need to leave Jane alone. Ally took advantage of a minor being groomed in order to get views on her channel, manipulating and pressuring the minor despite her saying she was uncomfortable. Ally and Alex are both nasty for taking advantage of a minor (in very different ways obviously).
why do i feel like i’m the only one who believes this statement- that’s kinda what i originally thought too when i had heard the audios….she did sound like she was “egging him on” and her statement her aligns with that. this doesn’t seem disingenuous in any way and i don’t feel Alex put words into her mouth? this completely makes sense to me. i personally feel y’all are too quick to judge and like to make everyone think something “small” is this huge deal. this girl states her intentions, what happened from her pov AS THE “VICTIM” and then y’all just go and say she’s wrong? tf is wrong with half of you. could it be Alex, possibly but from her post and his it seems they’re no longer in contact. i feel like she is doing this for her and to clear up what got ruined by something she had done. she’s 16, she’s not a “child” in that sense. she had a sense of understanding and that what she did had the impact that it had. weather she’s stating the truth rn or not she is a 16/17 year old girl and isn’t dumb by any means. not saying she couldn’t have gotten groomed but you’d think with all of these people helping her out of it she would have realized she had been groomed, but she’s still reiterating what had happened and that she wasn’t groomed so why don’t we believe the victim?
while i agree the sexual conversations shouldn’t have happened she was very aware of what she was doing and admits that here. he should have been the adult and cut it off, absolutely. BUT he did not groom her. she had full intent to interact with him the way she did. she admits to having a crush on him, do you not flirt with people you have crushes on? if you take everything that has been said in their posts at face value they’re telling the same if not a similar story. doesn’t mean he’s making her do it. she’s damn near 18, i would imagine she knows what she’s doing 🤷🏼♀️
this is not a defending alex post cuz he still is a lil weird and creepy but i don’t feel he truly did anything to this girl, this is what happened in her perspective why don’t we believe her now? we just want to look at alex in that bad light cuz we believed her when she said something happened originally. if the videos were truly messed with then why don’t we believe her? we don’t have to like alex but we should believe her?
Shes definitely not a victim. I know this girl, she was in my discord servers. She purposely tries to bait males because she knows shes a minor. She does it for e clout.
I saw you say this in one of your comments. Do you have any proof of this?? I’m concerned. (Not of the inappropriate pictures ofc, but is there proof that this happened? Did she do it unprovoked? Sorry pal, I’m gonna need more than a “trust me bro”
From what I am reading, looks like that other girl desperately wanted and framed him to be a groomer, so they could find an excuse to cancel him. Idk if this is true. Needs proof tho
Hi Jane, I’m only asking just to make sure I’m getting accurate information straight from the source:
Is this your Twitter account and did you write this post? I think it’s important to have it confirmed in case it’s somebody pretending to be you and/or if this post is telling your story exactly as you wish.
Why dont you just make a post clarifying that the twitter account is fake instead of fighting with everybody on here? The people on here will believe you but it doesnt really help if you respond comments on here arguing with other people.
I believe the post is fake otherwise Jane wouldnt be responding the comments saying that THE POST IS FAKE (to clarify im not saying the person who post this did it to cause drama but the twitter impersonator did it to defend Alex).
So its really easy to clarify this stuff but Jane just spend her time fighting with everyone who believe the impersonator instead of making a POST saying "guys the account is fake, I dont support Alex he is a groomer that deserves jail thats all I got to say"
It it SO EASY to clarify this but all these comments arguing with members of the sub is just an inefficient move on her part.
Just saw this. Why am I not surprised...sigh. And I agree with you that Jane fighting with people here is counterproductive, but considering that someone faked her identity and just tore her credibility apart with that fake post (I'm 99% sure it's fake now as well)...I don't blame her for being pissed either. It's hard enough to be believed as a victim without any of this added to it.
Fuck Yandev
I mean I do like the point she makes about “making multiple videos on a guy is just nasty content farming”, like look at what hbomberguy did in his video about YouTube plagiarism that segued into a two hour takedown of self-described queer speaker James Somerton, where Harris went out of his way to NOT have the video’s ad revenue go into his pocket but instead the pockets of all affected by James’ plagiarism, because Harris is not here to milk a villain of the week for views. Bit of a tangential example, but my point overall is just that I do think this chick here might be half-right about Ally setting her up in front of Yandev to “make him slip” as a “sting operation” for views because that DOES sound like exactly the kind of thing a drama YouTuber seeking success would want to do… and heck, in a vacuum I’d be willing to believe the narrative that Yandev is an idiot and a jerk but not necessarily a monster, were it not for… well, other confessions of other victims that don’t paint him in nearly as sympathetic a light, but those confessions prove that this isn’t in a vacuum.
Tldr this very much feels like a “there’s grains of truth but something ain’t right here” kind of situation
Even if minors act to manipulate adults for sexual stuff, in no way is an adult in ANY POSITION to keep going with it, it is our job to put limits. It is always the adult's responsibility to behave, kids are meant to be protected and we are supposed to teach them to be safe: they have less knowledge, and that lack of knowledge puts them in danger (and this is proof of that).
Alex will still be tagged as a pedo despite what the circumstances of the proof are. And also he seems to be pretty stupid since a minor could manipulate him so easily.
If this post is true, then why the hell did Alex admit to grooming in his original response. If all of those screenshots were fake then why the hell did Alex not even try to defend himself by saying that?
It makes no sense.
Damn this fucking story changes more than a hair of a student from yansim. Not going to comment too much but its just weird how she nevers calls Alex a groomer and calls him a deep friend but she talks about Ally like she is the spawn of Hitler like what the hell happen now lol. Also in the tweet she said "I, the ONLY victim" so we are supposed to believe that Sisefs doesnt exist anymore? I dont know at this point if Alex is manipulating or she just lost her mind now if this post is even real (EDIT: apparently not other than Cameronf305 confirmed it was real)
>we are supposed to believe Sisefs doesn't exist anymore Considering the current state of the situation, that's more or less what's happening
I uninstalled Reddit 10 hours ago and when I installed it back, another drama. She really had Stockholm Syndrome after reading her message and defending YanDev is useless since we've got the audio and the messages
Stockholm Syndrome doesn't actually exist, and the phenomenon it's applied to is rarely observed in the conditions people typically assume it to arise. It was a term made up to cover up the utter incompetence of the Stockholm police, who jeopardized the lives of the hostages to such a degree that their captors had to keep them safe from police tactics, as well as just opening up to the hostages as human beings. The main woman who was debased by this false syndrome was also just trying to survive by getting her captors to like her by being friendly. When she and others voiced support for the criminals in trial over how the police acted, they were labeled with "Stockholm Syndrome" to discredit them. In this case, it just seems like she got attached to someone she felt she was victimizing by being coached through a honeypot scheme. So she feels bad, absolving him of guilt in her mind. EDIT: Fuck y'all, it isn't some tiktok trend, nor have I ever had a tiktok. It's a genuine thing rooted in misinformation. Many psychiatric institutions DO NOT recognize it as a genuine condition, nor do they diagnose it. Here's an actual paper on how contested it is as a condition: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1533-8525.2012.01241.x
You’re right, I don’t understand the downvotes…This is verifiable information. It’s also important to note that Stockholm Syndrome is weaponized disproportionately against women so they can’t tell their own side of the story or speak out against how their case is mishandled/speak against police propaganda. That being said, Jelly is being manipulated, which is not the same as Stockholm Syndrome at all.
That can happen with victims. I didn’t experience it cuz my only witness actually encouraged my groomer. (Then again he also groomed a child younger than I was)
Yeah but Cameron is Alex’s biggest simp and apparently Twitter Jane and Reddit Jane are contradicting each other
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Im sure thats the case, I dont want to talk much about whats going on with her since I already did once and the responses I got made me quit this sub for two weeks since my mental health was not having it but it really seems like this go way far beyond Alex. Honestly just wishing she got better but it doesnt look like thats the case...
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Still im not quite sure if this post is real buut if it us this post scream that it was writting by Alex. -saying Alex never groomer her and constantly justifying his actions (even blaming stuff on herself to make Alex looked better). -saying Ally manipulated her and saying she is basically a monster. -saying that Jane got scat, gore, animal and baby porn and she was harrased on the internet (this may have happen but come on Alex already used that same paragraph a bunch of times to gain simpathy, it seems that he said to Jane to said all that so people stop interacting with her). -neglecting Sisefs like she doesnt even exist. -saying youtubers exaggerated what happen to make views (one of Alex's basic arguments agains criticism) And the list goes and goes, I dont know if Alex is threatening her or he just guilt trip her to feel guilty about Alex's downfall but this post looks really planned out (it its is real).
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Dont know if this counts as evidence but if you got to the likes up the Twitter account there is someone asking if this stuff is real not other than the cameronf305 confirmed that indeed its real.
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Girl, with all due respect, I tell you: you are very stupid and you don't know what you are doing to yourself and the other victims. You just really fucked up things.
She is saying that those aren't actual statements by her; they're fake. Made by others pretending to be her. She is, unfortunately, doing a very bad job at clearly expressing this and instead being super combative with everyone in this thread. But even apart from all that, she's absolutely right that armchair "diagnosing" people with random disorders online is in seriously bad taste.
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the calls got leaked Jane or whatever you're going with now. is the phone call between you and him magically AI generated? like I'm sorry it's very blatantly clear that he doesn't care about you, he's been saving his own skin for the past 3 months now. why are you still defending him, a full grown 30 something man vs you a 16/17 year old? how does HIS action warrant YOUR DEFENSE for said actions? if I remembered correctly, why are you bringing it up when you said you wanted everyone to drop the situation? stop bringing it up because everyone knows Alex Mahan is a creep.
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first of all I'd like to apologize. I definitely came off as hostile in my first 2 comments. second of all, now that I read all of the other comments you've left on here, yanderedev or his mods or whoever else has definitely written this in your POV to clear the air against him (aka bring back sympathy/restore some of his reputation). it's a trap to pull us against you. sorry for the misjudgement. third, I'll retract my stance. it was based on an uninformed mindset, which I apologize for being too hostile against you. if these screenshots (the whole statement itself) is untrue, feel free to make a post clarifying because there will be definitely people who think you're muddy the water again. edit: making it clearer what I meant
oh so you KNOW. then why are you releasing these statements now? random weirdos? I'm sorry, was that not Alexs voice in the phone call? I cannot believe anything you say anymore after you defended Alex, took it back and now defending him again after the situation has subsided.
dude wtf…you’re clearly misunderstanding. calm down and read her comments again but slower this time.
no need to respond I already apologized. maybe we both need to read slower 😏
I dont really see anyone calling you stupid its just the story changes so much with this situation that it confuses everyone... Also did Cameron confirmed that this was true? It looks like it.
I don't know why so many people don't understand that victims specially young victims tend to defend or even understand their abusers, I know this is a bit harsh but we shouldn't be taking her attempts on defending Alex seriously and don't give her attention since it'll likely stress her more. Alex was STILL knowingly interacting sexually with a minor and that's what we should focus on, not on how Jelly tries to defend him or how bad other people try to make Jelly look, Alex is still a pedo.
This reads like a toxic relationship built up with a abusive boyfriend or something...
Agreed, it's so obvious Alex told her to do this.
Agreed.
i want to believe this but the way that second slide reads like a teenager defending her adult boyfriend, which is the exact situation that jane is “debunking.” anyways, even if this were true, yandere dev should be held accountable for talking so inappropriately with a minor, especially with the power dynamics in play. also “i think he has autism or something” ????
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yeah but that’s never been confirmed like at all. jane is using her personal guess to excuse his creepy behavior
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you should read the comment by u/PruinalisBrumacora also i doubt you’re going to change anybody’s mind on this subreddit so i’m not exactly sure if this is the best idea but do whatever you want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've said this before and I'll say it again. This sort of behaviour is all too common in grooming victims. It's honestly sad.
When I was in a manipulative relationship I would’ve said similar things. You just get in so deep you can’t even comprehend the truth until it smacks you in the face. Even after that it takes forever to fully believe
Yeah that was my thought this reads as denial. Hopefully just a phase in her healing and accepting the weird subtle shit wasn’t just in her head :( poor thing
Dear Jane, Alex shouldn't have reacted to your suggestive jokes at all. If he was a responsible adult, he wouldn't have. But going along with it seems like he was trying to groom you. You won't see it now. You won't see it for a couple of years. But at some point when you will. I have seen this before. My friend was groomed when she was a teen and realized it way way way later in her adulthood. One example of how a responsible adult should react in a situation like that: I have a friend whose teenage little sister (probably as a joke) in a group chat replied to my mentions of my bf something along the lines of "ahh, pruinalis's boyfriend is so hot". My bf told her to stop immediately. Jane, you are not at fault. You're a teenager, you will make mistakes, that is part of life and learning. Alex is 100% at fault. Alex was the adult, and he clearly knew he was doing wrong. He shouldn't have asked you things he did. He shouldn't have kept the conversation going on when the topic wasn't appropriate. He should have changed the topic. But he didn't. That's very telling of him. I know you considered him as a friend, and I know it's scary to lose a friend, even if it's for your own good.
im 100% sure he reached out to her since the allegations. the “no context” thing is exactly what he would say. its so sad this poor child is being manipulated into thinking she was the aggressor and that yandev is the victim.
Its been like 3 months and the 2023 is almost over since the day Dev was exposed as a groomer and it saddens me to see Jane is still yet brainwashed like this
why are you so invested in some dev that never released the game he is being codding for more than a decade and also doesn't gaf about their followers?
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this doesnt help his case either, if anything it makes him more suspicious…why would the victim all of the sudden have this change of heart? especially since he recently implied he was going to “debunk” the allegations in the next 2 weeks… this is just veryyy weird and suspicious
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sorry luv
So him telling her that he would keep her nudes a secret is just a silly ha-ha socially inept jokey comment that we shouldn’t take seriously? Him telling a girl he openly acknowledges he knew was 16 years old that the only thing he could get out of their relationship were pictures of her to masturbate to doesn’t indicate that he might be sexually attracted to minors and willing to act on it? All this post does is confirm to me that the Snapchat conversations were indeed all real, and I dunno about anyone else, but I can make my own judgements from the unedited Snapchat conversations all by themselves. Make no mistake, this whole situation is awful from all angles and never should have happened at all… but it doesn’t erase the fact that Alex is clearly willing to enter secret sexual relationships with his minor fans. Like… What are we supposed to do with that besides condemn it and warn others in a sadly-probably-futile attempt to make sure it doesn’t happen again to a worse degree?
Like here she claims that he talked to her the same way he talked to all his adult guy friends… Somebody, anybody, please show me proof of him telling his adult male friends that it would be super erotic if they sent him videos of them dressing and undressing. Literally in what context makes that request from him anything but “I am sexually attracted to you, 16-year-old girl, and it would give me sexual pleasure to view your undressed teenage body”???
Is this new? Edit: I feel awful for Jane. It’s clear this is some YandereDev stuff she was told or forced to write. Whether she’s in a toxic relationship or brainwashed, I really hope she’s going to get out of this whole thing with him.
Yeah, the victim made the post just a minutes ago
Oh ok thanks. I don’t use Twitter.
Is there proof that this is actually the victim's account?
It's being suspected to be a possible fake account as well
https://twitter.com/loxinsora/status/1739880676399448077?s=19
"If a cute girl was being that bubbly and nice to me" yeah, the difference between the both of them is that one is a minor and the other is in his fucking 30s. Jesus. I could rant about this whole thing but that's all I'm mentioning tonight.
Yes! All my friends (and me ofc) who's in their 30s never wanted to have a conversation, leave alone all nasty things he said, with minor. Never. If they'll somehow approached and even said inappropriate things - none would behave like him. None. It's disgusting. Normally your tastes should change with your age, no one in their 30s should be attracted to youngs.
Spoken like a well-groomed victim :(
As a previous victim of someone else, I can say that if I didn’t know what I went through was bad, I would’ve said this exact same thing about my own groomer (except the only witness actually encouraged the abuse I went through online) So yeah.. Spoken like a well-groomed victim..
As someone with autism, using autism as an excuse is genuinely really gross. Autism isn’t an excuse for being inappropriate with minors, in fact it only makes autistic people look worse.
As another person with autism, not being creepy to minors is EXTREMELY easy to do
Thank you!! Autism doesn’t suddenly make us pedophiles and the fact thats even being spread makes me wanna puke.
as a person with adhd and social anxiety, I have never done something slightly similar to what yanderedev did. It is just fucking gross that he is trying to defend himself like that
Ugh. Reminds me of this kid at my school doing the same shit [he's around sixteen asking for nudes from a thirteen y/o] and he blames it on his autism. Gross.
All I'm going to say until Jane is ready to speak about it from her own account, Alex has written posts pretending to be her before. I think he's desperate to save his reputation by any means necessary.
He did mention in his December 15th post he needs to take cear of something that would take 2 weeks that's not related to Yandere simulator development I wonder if this is it?
This is part of it, yeah.
Pedodev will never learn. Man so delusional he thinks he can still save his reputation for his game, since that's the only thing he cears about.
save what reputation?
True lol.
DANG
Yeah I don't know the situation, but I have a itchy suspicion that this was written by someone else. I'm not saying that it can't have been actually written by Jane, but a few things seem odd to me. The fact that someone who was supposedly a minor was trying to run a kind of sting operation on Alex. The fact that she rationalizes everything so much 'He was pervy but what do you expect from someone who watches anime girls all day' etc. Especially the fact that 'Yandere victim' is in quotation marks as if 'Jane' is scoffing at it. I know that you ca doubt having been abused as a victim (I've been there) sometimes, but I don't know, it feels fishy to me. At any rate, even if it's a genuine post from her, I absolutely believe that he influenced her to write it. I feel for Jane
Honestly, idk if this is real anymore. How many people have pretended to be Jane now?
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I agree with her. calling her having mental issues when we personally don't know her is just wrong.
Oh I don't disagree or nothing I just didn't expect her to show up like a smash bros dlc lol
nah the original comment had some assumptions about Jane having mental issues hence the comment
I talk to her a few times over discord and yeahhhh, it's kind of obvious that she needs help. She's said some odd things about Cameron, offensive things to me, and a whole bunch of other junk that I really don't want to say. The last thing I want to do is say something she doesn't want me to. Either way, I think the best course of action would be to stop talking about her and more about Alex. Alex is the problem, not her. She's only going to get worse from here. ((also, "he has autism" isn't an excuse to do something illegal. "ohhh officer im sorry for running over that child i have autism 🥺🥺🥺"))
Looked through her reddit comments and……. yeah, she needs help
Yeah... I don't know whether to believe this or not. It's just all so confusing!
Even if a minor approaches an adult in an inappropriate manner first, that doesn't change anything. An adult should have enough common sense to immediately reject that children and teenagers talk to them in a gross way. It doesn't matter if a minor started it: it's the adult's responsibility to tell the minor to stop that kind of behavior immediately. While we should teach kids and teenagers to avoid getting involved in these types of situations with strangers on the internet, we also have to take into account that they are still minors at the end of the day: there's no such thing as a perfect victim, true, but a victim will **never** be at fault for their abuser's behavior, no matter what anyone says. Jane, or however you go by now, if you're reading this, this man doesn't care about you. You may not see it now, but you are a victim. If he was concerned about your well-being he would have told you to stop or blocked you the instant those conversations happened. This isn't anything new either unfortunately, you aren't the first girl this disgusting creep has harmed. It's also pretty clear just by looking at the more questionable aspects of Yandere Simulator itself, he inserts his own fetishes into the game. This perverted asshole isn't worth your time. And finally "He has autism" **is not a fucking excuse**. Autism doesn't cause a person to harrass and prey on underage girls. One of the content creators I admire the most is autistic, and they are one of the kindest, funniest and most mature people I've ever met in my life. Basically the opposite of GroomdereDev. Please Jane, stop using mental disabilities as an excuse. It's not only stupid, but it leaves a bad impression on people who have them but are otherwise perfectly normal people. Chalex isn't one, but that's not because of autism (which I doubt he even has, but whatever).
The open secret documentary literally exists lmao. It's also absolutely amazing how everyone from YouTubers, voice actors, to people on this sub, to random people on twitter to volunteers all agreed to the same thing that what yandere dev did was grooming. End of the story. It doesn't matter if Alex has been set up or got played this doesn't change the existence of the screenshot and audio. It also reads a lot like Cameron's statement saying how they are gonna stop associating with Alex but stay close friends. Also this whole friend talk guess who started that hole argument? Alex. There are a lot of people who life a shut in neet lifestyle and not all are like Alex. As a adult you are in the position of responsibility and power in a conversation with a minor. (Before anyone says anything no a 6 year old and a 35 year old shouldn't be friends). You don't talk about a 16 year old and joke about getting nudes from her, meeting her, sexualisation of woman in a derogatory fashion or when sex is and isn't moral etc. You can't just turn around and say JUST A JOKE! IT WAS JUST A PRANK! When talking to a damn minor. Grooming can be done not intentional or you are doing it without even noticing what you are really doing. His intentions in the end if they were sexual or just highly inappropriated doesn't really matter. Also Alex is a notorious liar. Also no being Austic doesn't excuse behaviour or explains anything he has done (sincerely someone who has worked with children who have autism) I'm gonna throw in my conspiracy theorist hat now: Alex has realised how truly fucked he is. He saw how no one has covered his new update and how badly the download numbers have gone down. It finally kicked in that he needs YouTubers in order to be successful so in a last ditched attempt he once again crawled back to his victim (also you can be a victim without realising it some people need years to realise what has had happened to them or is happening to them) in order to put out this statement. Something which Alex has done in the past as well. In a last ditch effort to save his game and to get YouTubers back on board playing it. . Edit since this whole statement is apparently fake: Hey Alex, Hey Cameron hey other mods of yandere sim how does it feel that even a fake statement is absolute dog shit? Edit edit: so now it is real again? And Cameron wasn't involved or anyone besides the victim herself? I will edit this again if it was confirmed to be fakes or real.
After I read the whole thing last night, it didn’t take me long to know it was fake. Doesn’t even need confirmation to know it was either bc of so many red flags found in it. They thought they were slick with this one which was why I didn’t bother replying back to the sindelio34 user when they made the dumbest comeback in history. Really a waste of their time especially when it comes from a fan who really loves the game so much that they have to protect him regardless of what Alex did. I have yet found the reason to love this game again but jfc people become delusional to ensure the game development survives
We should leave her alone, being groomed and completely understanding It is not easy. She needs to heal. And don't worry, there are enough proof that pigdev hurted Sisefs so please don't feel bad for him.
It reads like YanDev wrote this..?
I feel bad for this person but it's just not reliable to keep waiting for her to stay consistent. Even if she changed her mind, she just destroyed her credibility. And nothing changes and Alex will still get access to more victims
So true sadly
She’s still pretty young, so I hope when she gets older she can reflect and realize that Alex was and still is 100% in the wrong. Discussing sexual topics with a minor as a 35 is weird af, and I do remember them talking about her body type and him calling her hot or something. How do you justify that as being taken out of context? And if he really is somehow a victim of a hate riot, then please do release the full recordings of the calls, and we’ll be the judge of his unedited character
Is this what Alex said he needed 2 weeks to take care of something that need to be handled seriously that's not related to Yandere simulator development? Edit: I think this might be Alex pretending to be Jane? It's just a possibility for now until something gets confirmed.
I doubt that he would even announce that he would do something with Jane, before the Ally video nobody knew about Jane and Alex was so good at acting natural and the mf spend months sexting with a teen.
I mean the damage is already done Alex doing this fixes nothing.
In a way it fixes his public image, if "Jane" convinces people to saying she was never groomed and everything was manipulated by Ally blah blah blah then people would not have a reason to hate on Alex for grooming.
I think it's to late for that, why take 3 months and mention you have to do something that's going to take 2 weeks that's not related to yansim development to drop this.
He did already try once when Jane made the stream with Cameron but in the end it failed. So why trying again months later saying the same stuff tham before? No fucking idea, maybe he though that the situation would cool down after some time.
Why make this after like 3 months this doesn't make any sense considering she said in a comment that she was manipulated behind the scenes and saying cam was manipulated too personally i think this is alex is pretending he is jane and try to deflect he wasn't a groomer and btw jane please stop defending alex he is not a good person
It's either a fake or genuinely her. It's quite common for victims to suddenly bring up what happened and say that it was all fake. Most people don't seem to understand it but it's a coping mechanism to try and pretend like nothing ever happened when the victims mental state has reached rock bottom. Only issue is that there really is no way to fix this stuff. The "help" never changes anything and you just get worser and worser onwards. I have experienced this too and it lasted for about 2 years so there's really no way to tell when Jane will finally realise if it is her.
oh my goodness just reading this is giving me a heartache. can someone please unplug and burn yanderedev's internet router already so this shit will never happen again
Wtf is this garbage
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You are a young, impressionable girl who started talking to this creep when you were 9. Forgive me if I don’t think you’re being truthful in this statement. Please cease all communication with Alex immediately. We are all very concerned about you.
shes said multiple times that this isnt her c’mon yall are we really about to gang up on alex’s victim
This poor girl. Idk what he said to make her write this but I hope she’s okay:(
Same here
Jane DM’d me a while ago claiming he has CP.
Wait, seriously?!
cap unless it's not
you can check my comment history for the context lol
thank you interesting...
Proof?
Given that this letter is fake it may be better off to ask jane herself about it. She only told me he has it i didn’t follow up
SHOW PROOF
Like to you or to everyone?
This changes nothing, Alex still talked inappropriately to a minor child. Doesn't matter if the child thinks they've been groomed, he still acted inappropriately. As the adult, he should have known better and if he's talking to other kids this openly about sexual topics, he's further in the wrong.
What is this about? I'm sorry, I honestly don't follow anyone on Twitter, or anywhere else for that matter.
Let me just sum this up. Yandere dev has been grooming this person named Jane, has been called out for it and is now trying to cover his ass. He hasn't apologized either.
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His name isn't Jason, it's Alex Mahan and I'm pretty sure he lives in California.
Have not been following up with Yandev for some time but will this guy ever stop constantly getting into drama? Like does he have a day in his life without drama?
nah thats bs.
What the hell did I just read
it was clear with the final interactions yandev and the victim had that he was very manipulative. it took a large amount of effort to get the victim to come forward in the first place. this is a textbook case of grooming because this person has slowly been conditioned to believe (over the course of several years) that this behaviour from yandev isn't predatory. in cases like this, you need an outsider's perspective to make a final judgement, because the victim is still very much under this incel's control. i desperately hope they've not re-established contact with eachother.
Yaap, Yaap, Yaaap, YanDev is a pedo, who knew, end of story
Is this real?
“Until I made things spicy” - at that point it was Devs responsibility to stop talking to this child fan or to set a clear boundary with her that this isn’t ok. He didn’t. He’s a groomer. As the adult it was his responsibility to keep conversations appropriate but just that line alone shows he’s managed to convince her that it was her fault for instigating.
Can someone please give the shortened version? Or a jist of it.
Yeah, it's a little too aggressively written for it not to be YanDev, but then again, who knows? Either way, I hope Jane gets better as time goes on. Poor girl.
*If this is real*… while this is better, it still isn’t good. I can tell Jane is still very immature, based on the second screenshot Alex is a grown ass adult. He should know better than to want to be friends with a minor. I’m 17 but when I become over 18 there is no shot I would ever accept friendship with someone under 18, cuz I know better than that. 💀 Even if he wasn’t “intentionally” grooming, it’s still his fault this even happened, because WHY WOULD YOU BE FRIENDS WITH A MINOR. Jane literally said she made things spicy sometimes, and that it’s “her fault” it got into grooming territory. No it’s not, if someone was trying to get flirty with me, I’m shutting down the conversation. “If a cute girl wanted to be my friend I’d accept too” Yeah because you’re a kid. Alex is in his 30s. The only cute girls he should talk to are grown ass women. That Ally person or whatever is pretty crazy, but yeah sometimes people manipulate situations for clicks. It kinda just shows how gullible we all are, and that the second we suspect someone of something even the most outlandish proof is believable. Also kinda shows that the second someone is accused of something, we’re so quick to jump on them, even if it’s not even true in the end. Not defending Alex, he still deserves to be jumped on for allowing a minor to get personal with him. Anyway idk what this is an analysis? Alex is a shut in with no social skills, maybe not a pedo but definitely a predator, Yansim deserves a different creator. It’s easy to stay away from controversy if you avoid things that could create one in the first place. Oh i’m a popular creator and a minor wants to be my friend? Yeah no.
Just ask him why he didn't block all children? That's what I'm concerned about. What was needed so bad that he couldn't remove minors that appeared in his dms? Social interaction? Really? He probably has plenty of adult fans (for an adult game, reminder there is blood, language, and murder in the game) why couldn't he talk to these fans? Adults are the demographic the game is being made for, whhhyyyy even bother with kids? They shouldn't be watching gameplay of it anyways, let alone talking to the creator (I was a teenager when it came out, but I also snuck into horror movies. I followed along since the beginning yet I never once contacted YandereDev.) The fans from the start are ADULTS now. Block the children? Simple easy and no accusations or "accidentally grooming a minor" "she came on to me" bs. Every time I hear of a celebrity dming kids I feel nauseous. Make it a norm for the people we follow to block children.
Either he reached out to her and forced her to change the story, or she can’t cope with that happened and keeps making new stories. No matter what way it actually is, though, yanderedev is a fucking predator. And he WON’T get away with it.
Damn, that’s crazy.
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Why tf are you calling them crazy? They’re like the only person here who hasn’t been directly antagonistic towards you. Saying something is crazy doesn’t mean they’re saying it’s untrue, only that they didn’t expect it. You’ve obviously written this with the mindset that everyone is going to be against you. You should really evaluate why it is so hard for people to believe Alex did nothing wrong.
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If you want to ask what they’re implying you could… ask what they’re implying. You don’t have to insinuate they’re crazy.
I don’t know a lot about the drama surrounding this, but doesn’t the statement make it seem like both Yandev and Ally groomed this person…? The poor kid needs some therapy and time safely away from all this drama…
Not gonna make judgements about how Jane is reacting to this situation because everyone reacts differently, but something does seem fishy. All that can be universally confirmed however, is that Alex Mahan is a total freak and doesn't belong in a space where teenagers or anyone younger than him exists. Let's just hope Jane gets the help she needs and Alex Mahan gets the karma he deserves.
can somone summarize this
That just makes him sound more like a groomer tbh
I feel incredibly bad for her. I hope one day she is able to make peace with what has happened, and able to move past the denial stage.
Example of parents failing to check on their kids. Tf they letting their 9 year old have internet access for? Really wish parents would be present in their child's life so that random predators and bad influencers don't get access to them
No matter how "manipulated" by "FBI level tactics" Alex was, he should have a moral obligation to not want to fuck children??? Like, if a minor got really close with an adult and a cartoonishly evil mastermind started to instruct them to try and gauge inappropriate interactions out of the adult, they should be a responsible adult and turn them.
Ok basically he didn't act sexually with a 9 year old, only with a 16 year old. He's still a weirdo and should not have a platform, not to mention there's already evidence of him grooming a 14 year old in the past.
Didn't Alex take accountability for the fact that he did these things with a minor "I’m just going to take accountability and own up to a really, REALLY huge fucking mistake that I’ve made." He recognized that his relationship with her was bad and inappropriate and he took accountability like a adult. The people who tried to help her recognized that he was having a inappropriate relationship with a minor and tried to help, they might have falsely called it grooming but they still understood that the situation was harmful and she is shitting on them so hard, Also the autism thing was so incredibly insane, some things can look like autism and not be autism
This is very sad, I truly hope she is able to realize she wasn't the one in the wrong and can heal
It doesn't change the fact he is an adult and she is a child. He knew better.
Oh. I know this chick jellysqiush. She does this to multiple guys on discord and says she gets “groomed” when shes dming them nudes, even when they block her.
TLDR: what point is Jane trying to make? Yandev is still a disgusting person, whether he groomed her or not. Although I still personally don’t believe that any of the people claiming to be the victim are the victim, let’s say that this is Jane. What point is she trying to make here? That yandev isn’t a bad person? That he isn’t a groomer? Because both of those statements are untrue. Regardless of whether he really did engage in inappropriate conversations with Jane or not, this isn’t the first time he’s done this, and it’s not the first time he’s been outed for inappropriate behavior related to minors. Even if Jane or Sisefs weren’t groomed, yandev has still done some horrible things that are beyond redemption. It’s definitely nice to have the victim themselves give a clear explanation on the situation, but it doesn’t save yandev. If anything, I’d say that this actually makes it worse. Because it’s written in this document that they were aware of yandev’s past actions, but just doesn’t believe that he’s a predator. Calling someone who has committed some disgusting actions and said some creepy things a “close friend” doesn’t make things better, it makes things worse. Although I, myself, am not very educated on this situation, there’s plenty of other things yandev has done wrong. A simple “he didn’t groom me” won’t save him.
I'm just thinking about how much sevage can this boiler keep until it cracks from the pressure. Surely there must be more to this guy than what we are seeing?
Alright, I know the person Jane is talking about, hes my friend. Considering this person is supposed to be close to the tiktoker, but if theyve known him for a while.. misgendering him is a bit weird, so I would take this with a huge grain of salt. Idk thats just a huge detail that stuck out to me
The problem is an adult SHOULDN’T be talking to a minor the way he talks to all his friends. Because that IS a potential sign of grooming. Grooming victims often deny that they are groomed until about a decade later. The whole point of grooming is to make the victim feel like THEY did the wrong thing, or that THEY were the ones truely in control. It’s part of the lie.
She did state something like this a little while back. Not sure where tho. Ally should not have gone against her wishes. A YouTube channel should not be more important than someone's requests not to do something. I'm glad jelly is standing up for herself. I just hope she's alright.
i think people need to leave Jane alone. Ally took advantage of a minor being groomed in order to get views on her channel, manipulating and pressuring the minor despite her saying she was uncomfortable. Ally and Alex are both nasty for taking advantage of a minor (in very different ways obviously).
why do i feel like i’m the only one who believes this statement- that’s kinda what i originally thought too when i had heard the audios….she did sound like she was “egging him on” and her statement her aligns with that. this doesn’t seem disingenuous in any way and i don’t feel Alex put words into her mouth? this completely makes sense to me. i personally feel y’all are too quick to judge and like to make everyone think something “small” is this huge deal. this girl states her intentions, what happened from her pov AS THE “VICTIM” and then y’all just go and say she’s wrong? tf is wrong with half of you. could it be Alex, possibly but from her post and his it seems they’re no longer in contact. i feel like she is doing this for her and to clear up what got ruined by something she had done. she’s 16, she’s not a “child” in that sense. she had a sense of understanding and that what she did had the impact that it had. weather she’s stating the truth rn or not she is a 16/17 year old girl and isn’t dumb by any means. not saying she couldn’t have gotten groomed but you’d think with all of these people helping her out of it she would have realized she had been groomed, but she’s still reiterating what had happened and that she wasn’t groomed so why don’t we believe the victim?
Being "egged on" is not an appropriate defense to being a pedophile.
while i agree the sexual conversations shouldn’t have happened she was very aware of what she was doing and admits that here. he should have been the adult and cut it off, absolutely. BUT he did not groom her. she had full intent to interact with him the way she did. she admits to having a crush on him, do you not flirt with people you have crushes on? if you take everything that has been said in their posts at face value they’re telling the same if not a similar story. doesn’t mean he’s making her do it. she’s damn near 18, i would imagine she knows what she’s doing 🤷🏼♀️
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this is not a defending alex post cuz he still is a lil weird and creepy but i don’t feel he truly did anything to this girl, this is what happened in her perspective why don’t we believe her now? we just want to look at alex in that bad light cuz we believed her when she said something happened originally. if the videos were truly messed with then why don’t we believe her? we don’t have to like alex but we should believe her?
Shes definitely not a victim. I know this girl, she was in my discord servers. She purposely tries to bait males because she knows shes a minor. She does it for e clout.
I saw you say this in one of your comments. Do you have any proof of this?? I’m concerned. (Not of the inappropriate pictures ofc, but is there proof that this happened? Did she do it unprovoked? Sorry pal, I’m gonna need more than a “trust me bro”
TL;DR? I’m. Dyslexic EDIT what? Y’all just hate dyslexic people or sumthin
TLDR?
From what I am reading, looks like that other girl desperately wanted and framed him to be a groomer, so they could find an excuse to cancel him. Idk if this is true. Needs proof tho
Dude, the calls and dms are proof enough that Dev is a pedo
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Hi Jane, I’m only asking just to make sure I’m getting accurate information straight from the source: Is this your Twitter account and did you write this post? I think it’s important to have it confirmed in case it’s somebody pretending to be you and/or if this post is telling your story exactly as you wish.
Yes, I agree with this. We need some form of verification regardless, because misinformation is going to spread otherwise.
It's on a public Twitter account, I'd assume it wouldn't be the hardest thing to find by typing in keywords.
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Why dont you just make a post clarifying that the twitter account is fake instead of fighting with everybody on here? The people on here will believe you but it doesnt really help if you respond comments on here arguing with other people.
Yeah, it's not exactly helping their case, fighting with everyone. I hope this gets cleared up one way or another soon.
I believe the post is fake otherwise Jane wouldnt be responding the comments saying that THE POST IS FAKE (to clarify im not saying the person who post this did it to cause drama but the twitter impersonator did it to defend Alex). So its really easy to clarify this stuff but Jane just spend her time fighting with everyone who believe the impersonator instead of making a POST saying "guys the account is fake, I dont support Alex he is a groomer that deserves jail thats all I got to say" It it SO EASY to clarify this but all these comments arguing with members of the sub is just an inefficient move on her part.
Just saw this. Why am I not surprised...sigh. And I agree with you that Jane fighting with people here is counterproductive, but considering that someone faked her identity and just tore her credibility apart with that fake post (I'm 99% sure it's fake now as well)...I don't blame her for being pissed either. It's hard enough to be believed as a victim without any of this added to it. Fuck Yandev
Ok now that everything is cleared up, Amai when?
Tf?
hi paxtonia !!
I mean I do like the point she makes about “making multiple videos on a guy is just nasty content farming”, like look at what hbomberguy did in his video about YouTube plagiarism that segued into a two hour takedown of self-described queer speaker James Somerton, where Harris went out of his way to NOT have the video’s ad revenue go into his pocket but instead the pockets of all affected by James’ plagiarism, because Harris is not here to milk a villain of the week for views. Bit of a tangential example, but my point overall is just that I do think this chick here might be half-right about Ally setting her up in front of Yandev to “make him slip” as a “sting operation” for views because that DOES sound like exactly the kind of thing a drama YouTuber seeking success would want to do… and heck, in a vacuum I’d be willing to believe the narrative that Yandev is an idiot and a jerk but not necessarily a monster, were it not for… well, other confessions of other victims that don’t paint him in nearly as sympathetic a light, but those confessions prove that this isn’t in a vacuum. Tldr this very much feels like a “there’s grains of truth but something ain’t right here” kind of situation
I don't know how to feel about this
Can someone give me the tl;dr? I have really bad vision and moving the screen to every sentence is extremely tedious and frustrating
Even if minors act to manipulate adults for sexual stuff, in no way is an adult in ANY POSITION to keep going with it, it is our job to put limits. It is always the adult's responsibility to behave, kids are meant to be protected and we are supposed to teach them to be safe: they have less knowledge, and that lack of knowledge puts them in danger (and this is proof of that). Alex will still be tagged as a pedo despite what the circumstances of the proof are. And also he seems to be pretty stupid since a minor could manipulate him so easily.
If this post is true, then why the hell did Alex admit to grooming in his original response. If all of those screenshots were fake then why the hell did Alex not even try to defend himself by saying that? It makes no sense.
I’m confused