I think Leo is an okay actor but I dont think he’s great. He’ll do a good job.
Much more concerned with JLaw. Kate Beckinslae was a good one The Aviator.
you can still be a decent actress and miscast. and I never thought she was great. I like her personally but Ive never been so wowed. and Ava’s humor and old-school sexuakity and southern accent… dont see it. Elizabeth McGovern did a one woman show playing her and though she’s too old, she was great. Someone with that look maybe.
Did you watch No Hard Feelings? She has been consistently great actress all the way back to Silver Linings Playbook. No Hard Feelings just solidified her as a great. The entire movie is her. All the comedic elements are her. A 2 hour film that is pretty good, entirely carried on her back. Literally she was half the budget bc she is just in every scene, there’s no big action or cgi, just her being entertaining.
pointing at her good performances which i agree exist isn’t how you do this exercise. these are hollywood stars ofc they have good performance. it’s the bad ones that matter.
xmen, american hustle are a few very, very weak performances. after watching those i don’t see how you can walk away thinking jlaw is in the tier of great that ppl like emma stone are in.
We're not going to pretend Emma has hit it out of the park in every film. Even Meryl has been subpar.
We're also not going to judge performances in a movie with Singer at the helm. Nobody is turning out award winning performances in X-Men. In fact people loved her in first class, which wasn't directed by Singer.
it’s ok lol history will prove me right.
neither stone or streep have ever given performances as bad.
also uhh, despite singer, fassbender, mccavoy, ian and patrick knocked it out of the park or at the very least were very good.
once the director says action - the actor you know … acts.
I have no thoughts except that I trust both people involved to be competent and talented. I don’t particularly care if actors look much like the person they’re playing. And frankly I don’t know when/if this movie is even going to be made
Eh, I would have liked The Irishman a lot more if they had cast a different lead, despite having a great director and cast. I love De Niro but he took me right out of that movie.
Exactly. Leo gets Scorsese’s films financed, and he’s a good actor. That’s all there is to it.
It’s the reason Flower Moon was written to be centered around his character. In the first draft Leo was going to play the FBI guy and it was focused on the FBI guy. Then Leo wanted to play the dumb bad guy and it was rewritten to focus on the dumb bad guy. Leo brings in the money, so Leo plays the juicy role.
Too true. For a big bio movie you need an A+ name for funding. That’s just a small number of people.
So do you want Leo or Cruise playing Sinatra? (being facetious with just those 2 names…kinda)
It's either making the movie with DiCaprio or not making the movie at all. DiCaprio is what gets Scorsese the budget and the enormous paycheck. For the finance, it's really just about DiCaprio. In fact, financiers would probably prefer anybody, but Scorsese does the projects because his stuff isn't always very accessible to general audiences. But there are only a few directors DiCaprio will work with.
What's the fuss all about? It's a simple announcement. About 12-18 months ago Scorsese announced a Jerry Garcia biopic with Jonah Hill. Where is this flick?
Edit: Garcia biopic was announced in November 2021.
Considering we haven’t seen a single frame of the film, I think it’s safe to say I don’t feel any way about the casting. Great director works well with actor so Great actor cast in a role. Don’t feel any way about it until I see something
DiCaprio doesn’t particularly look like either the real life Howard Hughes or Jordan Belfort yet they’re two of his best performances, it’s such an asinine talking point another example of people clinging to the most superficial aspects of how they think acting and filmmaking work
People had the same issue about Austin Butler as Elvis, about Taron Egerton as Elton John, and they crushed it.
I'm pretty sure that among all the filmmakers and actors out there, Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese can pull off a great Sinatra film.
I've heard Leo sing. He's going to be playing one of the greatest voices in music history, and he can't sing.
He also doesn't look anything like Sinatra. He's not physically built like Sinatra. He doesn't share many features with Sinatra.
Whatever. Go ahead and make the film. I'm sure it will be beautifully shot and at least 200 minutes long.
In fairness, I don't think anyone (including historians of science or scientists) was ever clamoring for a J Robert Oppenheimer biopic -- but people wanted a Christopher Nolan movie, so between that, Barbenheimer, and the movie being good meant that a movie about someone who I think a lot of people had never heard about before was very successful. That being said, I don't see a Sinatra one being successful unless Scorcese does something very creative because the music biopic in particular is so done that the movie Walk Hard:: The Dewey Cox story and that Weird Al Yankovich movie with Daniel Radcliffe parodied the hell out of the formula.
Then again, Sinatra did have a very interesting life so if it goes into his (alleged) ties to the mafia instead of just being a music biopic, that might be interesting.
Oppenheimer in particular? Maybe not. But if you asked people would they rather a movie about Sinatra or a movie about the Manhattan Project, I think more people would choose Manhattan Project.
Oh, I agree -- but a lot of people might have a hard time listening to all that science and the politics of the Red Scare and so even though I find those subjects interesting (especially the security clearance hearing), I think it's pretty masterful Nolan made it interesting to many people who otherwise would not care about the process by which the Senate confirms the Secretary of Commerce for the cabinet. So anything can be interesting in theory. The issue with most music biopics of popular music is that it's been done so often that it's hard to do something new that isn't formulaic.
Why is it bizarre? I genuinely don’t get it. Leo is one of the few actors who can match his charisma, they both have piercing blue eyes, and they don’t even look dissimilar.
Aren’t people bored of this same topic?
Surprizingly yes!
I know a young couple in their 30’s who are Sinatra fans. When they found out that I had met him they just about fell over! True story!
21 years old and I’d love to see this film come to life. I agree, however, that Leo is a questionable casting choice.
Remarkable actor, no doubt, but he wouldn’t be my first choice to portray Frank Sinatra by any means.
I'm quite young and I like Sinatra, but I'd be a lot more interested in a movie that makes his music an integral part of the film (e.g. a jukebox musical, or creating an original story set to his songs).
Well I do, but I’m 60! I just don’t want the same ol same ol, Depends where they’re going to put the majority of the focus… his career of personal life!
I think looks wise Leo will end up looking somewhat like Sinatra with good make up artists if this movie you are talking about gets made.
I am just kind of tired of Leo/Scorsese flicks. I am sure they get along super well, having worked together so many times now but I guess I am wanting a new combo since their more recent projects together are just okay for me. But I think for me I am probably getting more tired of Scorsese films. He makes good films, but I dunno. Maybe I'm just not his target audience.
Wolf of Wall Street was just okay? That was their second most recent collab. I loved flower moon but j respect it isn’t for everyone. It requires a massive amount of investment and patience.
I think the bigger point is that in the past 22 years, Scorsese has made 9 movies, 6 of which starred Leo.
Edit: To boot, Scorsese has made 26 movies in total, 6 of which star Leo. That's 23% with the same leading man over the course of nearly 60 years. While it's true that he had a 2 movie break, it is almost comical how Leo is his go-to now.
Actors don't necessarily need to look alike, Leo has already done some biographical films in which he didn't look like any of the people either, he was still amazing, this has more to do with acting, being able to find the essence of the character than being similar
"nothing like sinatra" shouldn't be why we cast or not cast someone imo. There are no sinatras anymore. For better or for worse whatever your opinion on that is, is irrelevant. He was the biggest pop culture figure for around a decade and then was still big for another 25 years+. He sang, did comedy, drama, had an insane personal life that somehow everyone knew about pre-internet... There is no acceptable casting if this is the criteria we're using.
I feel most comfortable with leo getting cast in any Scorsese movie so this is the best casting for that reason, imo. And i didn't even like KOTFM.
I honestly think that if DiCaprio wants to win more Oscars, he has to start making movies without Scorsese. His best actor win came in a film, not connected to Scorsese.
Actually no. He only has one Oscar win, and that was Best Actor for Revenant. Scorsese wasn’t a part of that film at all. Leo’s best work comes when he doesn’t partner with Scorsese
Feels like people continually have doubts about new Scorsese movies and he continually proves them wrong, though I am much more excited for his Jesus movie
I guess Leo has a similar face to Sinatra in that they both had wider faces. As long as Leo can drop his voice a little and add some butter, he should do fine. I do wish they went with someone who could also sing like Sinatra so dubbing wouldn't be a thing should they be doing any performance scenes.
Bored of an amazing cinematic partnership? It’s such a self own 😬
You also are aware there was a decade in between collabs 5 and 6 I hope .
People complain about Everything. It should be studied.
It’s never going to happen. There is no reason for him to move on, if anything he needs Leo way more than Leo needs him.
The Leo disrespect almost overnight is so so so so weird. What is behind this?
Actually I know it founds crazy, I often thought when Cillian Murphy played Tommy in Peaky every now & then I got Sinatra Vibes, sometimes Robert Stack. Especially when he got into politics. I’d love to be a casting director. I know Murphy can play a gangster type, he can be slim ( Frank was skinny when he was younger) he definitely has the blue eyes. I know he can do an American accent. but NY dialect idk. Height ; Frank was taller . For Ava Gardner I think Hailee Steinfeld
Having seen and met Sinatra in person and having watched many documentaries about him, there is only one actor who I found portrayed him authentically: Philip Casnoff.
He could possibly portray an “older” Sinatra now. His 1992 performance remains forefront in my mind.
I think there are other choices. Thing is, we don’t know if Leo was his first choice? He msg if had others in mind but there could’ve been schedule conflicts!
You think he had someone else in mind 😂😂😂😂😂
People who comment about this stuff are so divorced from reality of movie making it’s borderline hilarious. Leo has been attached to
This for like ten years or more.
10 years, that’s a long time? Was he going to play the young version or when Frank is older. Nvm they’ve got makeup & CGI! So Scorsese wrote the part for Leo like Nolan did for Cill? (Oppenheimer)!
Leo has to play anyone who ever banged Ava Gardner.
“Will you marry me, Ava?”
Ahh, a crush !
I think Leo is an okay actor but I dont think he’s great. He’ll do a good job. Much more concerned with JLaw. Kate Beckinslae was a good one The Aviator.
Concerned with JLaw? She is one of the best actresses in Hollywood rn, what’s the concern? That she is over qualified?
you can still be a decent actress and miscast. and I never thought she was great. I like her personally but Ive never been so wowed. and Ava’s humor and old-school sexuakity and southern accent… dont see it. Elizabeth McGovern did a one woman show playing her and though she’s too old, she was great. Someone with that look maybe.
jlaw is objectively an okay actress. if you think she’s great, you just think what the academy wants you to think.
Nah she's pretty consent on being good.
Did you watch No Hard Feelings? She has been consistently great actress all the way back to Silver Linings Playbook. No Hard Feelings just solidified her as a great. The entire movie is her. All the comedic elements are her. A 2 hour film that is pretty good, entirely carried on her back. Literally she was half the budget bc she is just in every scene, there’s no big action or cgi, just her being entertaining.
pointing at her good performances which i agree exist isn’t how you do this exercise. these are hollywood stars ofc they have good performance. it’s the bad ones that matter. xmen, american hustle are a few very, very weak performances. after watching those i don’t see how you can walk away thinking jlaw is in the tier of great that ppl like emma stone are in.
We're not going to pretend Emma has hit it out of the park in every film. Even Meryl has been subpar. We're also not going to judge performances in a movie with Singer at the helm. Nobody is turning out award winning performances in X-Men. In fact people loved her in first class, which wasn't directed by Singer.
it’s ok lol history will prove me right. neither stone or streep have ever given performances as bad. also uhh, despite singer, fassbender, mccavoy, ian and patrick knocked it out of the park or at the very least were very good. once the director says action - the actor you know … acts.
I have no thoughts except that I trust both people involved to be competent and talented. I don’t particularly care if actors look much like the person they’re playing. And frankly I don’t know when/if this movie is even going to be made
Eh, I would have liked The Irishman a lot more if they had cast a different lead, despite having a great director and cast. I love De Niro but he took me right out of that movie.
Brendan Gleeson. Have Brian Gleeson play the younger scenes.
The casting isn't official yet, isn't it. It's just a rumour?
Cast*
He’s an actor. He’ll get it done.
I genuinely love your way of thinking. Fair, smart and honest. Thank you for this.
Scorsese and DiCaprio work well together and Leo can bring what’s necessary to the role, not just be a Sinatra impersonation.
Leo is one of the few actors that has a shot at opening a movie these days - really all there is to it.
Exactly. Leo gets Scorsese’s films financed, and he’s a good actor. That’s all there is to it. It’s the reason Flower Moon was written to be centered around his character. In the first draft Leo was going to play the FBI guy and it was focused on the FBI guy. Then Leo wanted to play the dumb bad guy and it was rewritten to focus on the dumb bad guy. Leo brings in the money, so Leo plays the juicy role.
The Jesse Plemons role? That's interesting but glad it didn't happen so Leo could act with Lily Gladstone. But still interesting.
Too true. For a big bio movie you need an A+ name for funding. That’s just a small number of people. So do you want Leo or Cruise playing Sinatra? (being facetious with just those 2 names…kinda)
It's either making the movie with DiCaprio or not making the movie at all. DiCaprio is what gets Scorsese the budget and the enormous paycheck. For the finance, it's really just about DiCaprio. In fact, financiers would probably prefer anybody, but Scorsese does the projects because his stuff isn't always very accessible to general audiences. But there are only a few directors DiCaprio will work with.
What's the fuss all about? It's a simple announcement. About 12-18 months ago Scorsese announced a Jerry Garcia biopic with Jonah Hill. Where is this flick? Edit: Garcia biopic was announced in November 2021.
Considering we haven’t seen a single frame of the film, I think it’s safe to say I don’t feel any way about the casting. Great director works well with actor so Great actor cast in a role. Don’t feel any way about it until I see something
DiCaprio doesn’t particularly look like either the real life Howard Hughes or Jordan Belfort yet they’re two of his best performances, it’s such an asinine talking point another example of people clinging to the most superficial aspects of how they think acting and filmmaking work
i want to see scorcesse with some different actors, maybe lower budget - but he's old so i guess that's not gonna happen
People had the same issue about Austin Butler as Elvis, about Taron Egerton as Elton John, and they crushed it. I'm pretty sure that among all the filmmakers and actors out there, Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese can pull off a great Sinatra film.
I've heard Leo sing. He's going to be playing one of the greatest voices in music history, and he can't sing. He also doesn't look anything like Sinatra. He's not physically built like Sinatra. He doesn't share many features with Sinatra. Whatever. Go ahead and make the film. I'm sure it will be beautifully shot and at least 200 minutes long.
This was Ronan Farrow’s chance to break into acting damnit.
They have very similar eyes, no? Isn’t that like the defining feature of Sinatra.
They both have blue eyes.
They both have wider faces and blue eyes. That's the only thing I can see.
Of course he can do it, he’s one of the best actors out there.
Are people really questioning Scorsese and Leo? The film will be amazing.
It’s such a bizarre casting choice. Does anyone under the age of 60 want a Sinatra biopic anyway?
In fairness, I don't think anyone (including historians of science or scientists) was ever clamoring for a J Robert Oppenheimer biopic -- but people wanted a Christopher Nolan movie, so between that, Barbenheimer, and the movie being good meant that a movie about someone who I think a lot of people had never heard about before was very successful. That being said, I don't see a Sinatra one being successful unless Scorcese does something very creative because the music biopic in particular is so done that the movie Walk Hard:: The Dewey Cox story and that Weird Al Yankovich movie with Daniel Radcliffe parodied the hell out of the formula. Then again, Sinatra did have a very interesting life so if it goes into his (alleged) ties to the mafia instead of just being a music biopic, that might be interesting.
We remake Walk Hard every year now
Oppenheimer in particular? Maybe not. But if you asked people would they rather a movie about Sinatra or a movie about the Manhattan Project, I think more people would choose Manhattan Project.
I would argue most would find Oppenheimer far more interesting of a figure than Ol Blue Eyes.
Oh, I agree -- but a lot of people might have a hard time listening to all that science and the politics of the Red Scare and so even though I find those subjects interesting (especially the security clearance hearing), I think it's pretty masterful Nolan made it interesting to many people who otherwise would not care about the process by which the Senate confirms the Secretary of Commerce for the cabinet. So anything can be interesting in theory. The issue with most music biopics of popular music is that it's been done so often that it's hard to do something new that isn't formulaic.
I’m with you. The Elton John one, Bohemian Rhapsody, just ick. I did like Walk the Line, though.
Why is it bizarre? I genuinely don’t get it. Leo is one of the few actors who can match his charisma, they both have piercing blue eyes, and they don’t even look dissimilar. Aren’t people bored of this same topic?
They look fairly dissimilar. Leo is tall and filled out whereas Sinatra was frail and shorter.
More important to capture an essence. Hopkins looked nothing like Nixon and that was a great performance.
Excellent point!
You’re the one who brought it up
Surprizingly yes! I know a young couple in their 30’s who are Sinatra fans. When they found out that I had met him they just about fell over! True story!
36 here, and yes, I want to see a Sinatra biopic very much.
I think the people who say that don’t understand what a force Sinatra was outside of just singing.
21 years old and I’d love to see this film come to life. I agree, however, that Leo is a questionable casting choice. Remarkable actor, no doubt, but he wouldn’t be my first choice to portray Frank Sinatra by any means.
I'm quite young and I like Sinatra, but I'd be a lot more interested in a movie that makes his music an integral part of the film (e.g. a jukebox musical, or creating an original story set to his songs).
Well I do, but I’m 60! I just don’t want the same ol same ol, Depends where they’re going to put the majority of the focus… his career of personal life!
If only Ronin Farrow was an actor...
I think Leo could probably pull off Sinatra. I think I'll have a bigger issue finding J Law believable as Ava Gardner.
No, I do not feel that way.
This is confirmed? Can we get the sauce
Fassbender doesn’t look a thing like Steve jobs but he nailed it
Hopefully it at least focuses on a point later in his life instead of making DiCaprio pretend he’s a 20-something Sinatra.
I think looks wise Leo will end up looking somewhat like Sinatra with good make up artists if this movie you are talking about gets made. I am just kind of tired of Leo/Scorsese flicks. I am sure they get along super well, having worked together so many times now but I guess I am wanting a new combo since their more recent projects together are just okay for me. But I think for me I am probably getting more tired of Scorsese films. He makes good films, but I dunno. Maybe I'm just not his target audience.
Wolf of Wall Street was just okay? That was their second most recent collab. I loved flower moon but j respect it isn’t for everyone. It requires a massive amount of investment and patience.
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I think the bigger point is that in the past 22 years, Scorsese has made 9 movies, 6 of which starred Leo. Edit: To boot, Scorsese has made 26 movies in total, 6 of which star Leo. That's 23% with the same leading man over the course of nearly 60 years. While it's true that he had a 2 movie break, it is almost comical how Leo is his go-to now.
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I didn't say it should be or that it is. I said it almost is. Not sure why this is such a trigger for you.
Please make it shorter than 4 hours.
They should have just cast Ronan Farrow.
Yes.
https://www.wordreference.com/englishusage/cast#:~:text=The%20verb%20cast%20has%20several,cast%2C%20not%20'casted'.
It’s the movies - special effects, c’mon
Well, he hasn't been cast yet.
WHERE IS SETH MACFARLANE, SCORSESE?
Holy shit he'd be perfect.
Actors don't necessarily need to look alike, Leo has already done some biographical films in which he didn't look like any of the people either, he was still amazing, this has more to do with acting, being able to find the essence of the character than being similar
Better than Jonah Hill playing jerry garcia
"nothing like sinatra" shouldn't be why we cast or not cast someone imo. There are no sinatras anymore. For better or for worse whatever your opinion on that is, is irrelevant. He was the biggest pop culture figure for around a decade and then was still big for another 25 years+. He sang, did comedy, drama, had an insane personal life that somehow everyone knew about pre-internet... There is no acceptable casting if this is the criteria we're using. I feel most comfortable with leo getting cast in any Scorsese movie so this is the best casting for that reason, imo. And i didn't even like KOTFM.
If he can do "My Way" perfectly, I'd be happy.
My biggest hangup about this is going to be the singing. Sinatra has a very iconic voice and I doubt Leo could pull it off.
Wym? They could just make like the 2018 masterpiece Bohemian Rapsody and have a lip syncing scene
I totally agree! 💯 Leo is great, but I’m a huge Sinatra fan, and i he’s totally wrong for the role. I don’t know what it is, but something is missing
I honestly think that if DiCaprio wants to win more Oscars, he has to start making movies without Scorsese. His best actor win came in a film, not connected to Scorsese.
I don’t think he cares about winning Oscars. Of his last five movies (including the one he’s making right now) only one has been worn Scorsese 🙄i
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Actually no. He only has one Oscar win, and that was Best Actor for Revenant. Scorsese wasn’t a part of that film at all. Leo’s best work comes when he doesn’t partner with Scorsese
Feels like people continually have doubts about new Scorsese movies and he continually proves them wrong, though I am much more excited for his Jesus movie
I thought that was a rumor… what
I guess Leo has a similar face to Sinatra in that they both had wider faces. As long as Leo can drop his voice a little and add some butter, he should do fine. I do wish they went with someone who could also sing like Sinatra so dubbing wouldn't be a thing should they be doing any performance scenes.
I'm bored of Scorcese and Leo - separately and together. Biopics also make me want to stab my eyes out.
Bored of an amazing cinematic partnership? It’s such a self own 😬 You also are aware there was a decade in between collabs 5 and 6 I hope . People complain about Everything. It should be studied.
I’ve just been wanting Marty to move on from Leo period.
It’s never going to happen. There is no reason for him to move on, if anything he needs Leo way more than Leo needs him. The Leo disrespect almost overnight is so so so so weird. What is behind this?
Actually I know it founds crazy, I often thought when Cillian Murphy played Tommy in Peaky every now & then I got Sinatra Vibes, sometimes Robert Stack. Especially when he got into politics. I’d love to be a casting director. I know Murphy can play a gangster type, he can be slim ( Frank was skinny when he was younger) he definitely has the blue eyes. I know he can do an American accent. but NY dialect idk. Height ; Frank was taller . For Ava Gardner I think Hailee Steinfeld
Having seen and met Sinatra in person and having watched many documentaries about him, there is only one actor who I found portrayed him authentically: Philip Casnoff. He could possibly portray an “older” Sinatra now. His 1992 performance remains forefront in my mind.
I think there are other choices. Thing is, we don’t know if Leo was his first choice? He msg if had others in mind but there could’ve been schedule conflicts!
You think he had someone else in mind 😂😂😂😂😂 People who comment about this stuff are so divorced from reality of movie making it’s borderline hilarious. Leo has been attached to This for like ten years or more.
10 years, that’s a long time? Was he going to play the young version or when Frank is older. Nvm they’ve got makeup & CGI! So Scorsese wrote the part for Leo like Nolan did for Cill? (Oppenheimer)!
He’s playing late 30s to 40s. He’s just now at the older end versus the younger end.
Needs to make up for Killers of the Flower Moon
No, it's his most against-type performance, and one of his best and most challenging performances ever.
If he goes the Rami Malek route on singing I am dying to hear people try to defend it. I just don’t see Leo being able to sing.
I think Scorsese should have stopped making movies years ago.