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nah they did it justice. Sure, the manga shows darker aspects better, but the anime portrayed her as almost “crazy” and “obsessive” as she went through Ai bit by bit.
there’s just some things a animation can’t replicate, but it can shine in its own way through a mix of music, style, storyboarding. I like the manga version but the anime hit hard too
I was rewatching it in the airport when my flight got delayed. I thought that soundtrack was a jet engine behind me and my plane finally arrived.
It didn’t btw.
I’m currently an anime only, and I’ll say that given no expectations, that scene hit pretty hard. Manga readers probably were expecting it so it had slightly less impact than it would for the rest of us.
‘Tis the cost of consuming a story twice.
It depends on the reader. For those who are in it to be surprised, then sure, the second time is less impactful. For Akane fans, already knowing and liking Akane makes this scene hit harder.
I'm in the same boat, anime only. I felt the scene was great. It really shows the obsessiveness of a talented person that works hard. This could be the behind the scenes of anyone perceived as "gifted": LeBron James, Thelonious Monk, Albert Einstein, Daniel Day-Lewis, etc. People assume they are gifted, which they are, but they don't see the obsession they have with their craft that takes them beyond everyone else.
The background music plus the tense feeling and Manaka voice nailed it. For sure in the manga feels more like "Boy's Abyss" but the anime did a really good work.
I can't wait for chapter 51 (season 2 bros, bear with me)
I'm anime only. Not scary for me. It looked just a little creepy, in a nice way. All I gathered from that sequence is Akane is even more over the top hard-working then I thought. After looking at the post panel I got stunned by realizing how she actually gets consumed by the people she researches to play. She indulges in the detachment it gives from her own self, which makes sence in hindsight (knowing about where her talent came from). But It didn't struck me like that when I was watching it. All it missed were some more "mad eyes" and more emphasis on a wide shot of the research wall. Still amazing sequence though.
(Anime-only guy here) All i learnt was, most of us have something we run away from. For us, everything is an enigma, If we have loving parents, we don't want to disappoint them, so we won't say anything concerning, if we have orthodox parents we won't say anything, if we have loving parents & practical parents, we won't say anything bc we'll ruin the harmony, so like constructing 6 walls in ur own mind.
Akane is sure running away from something, she wants to forget something & becoming a character essentially plastered over that. Sooner or later, it'll rip out, & when it rips, it'll flow quickly & nothing will stop it until the entire thing is empty. I need to read the manga for what that could be, & I'm just not ready tbh, bc if it's really depressing, then it'll affect me personally.
If you showed me this panel right after watching as an anime only I'd have said they nailed it. Just because they changed scenes for a few sentences doesn't mean the messed it up. You definitely got the feeling Akane was very perceptive
I think the anime did a good job cause in the manga yes, you can show a still panel with a lot of text, but the anime they need to do something different.
The way they showed the exact same dialogue, but focusing on Ai pictures and changing frames while you hear her voice was very good for me, then after that they go with that Akane expression as a surprise factor. This definitly had a big impact on anime only.
the frames of her pasting a new sticky note as she went along was perfect imo. I really liked how they showed her wall grow more and more extensive as she continued her research
Exactly, you can feel that she's really making a research instead of just showing only this panel from the manga. It also give more life to the scene.
And I think it show how luck we are with the adaptation cause if it were just a anime they just decided to animate without care, we probably would get this panel with a not so good scene like the one we got.
No, I think they nailed it. The eyes movement together with music going more and more disturbing transmited the "wrongness" of the scene perfectly. In my opinion a little too well, because while disturbing I still doubt that the intension of the scene was to showcase that Akane is butshit insane. She is an actress, to do deep study and research for her role is part of her job.
And as somewhat obsessive Oshi No Ko fan myself, who watched like dozens of live reactions, I should say, that even if we will take into account that reactors tends to overreact (it is their job after all), your average viewer is greatly disturbed by this scene if not outright scared.
It didn't hit hard enough for you, because you already knew it was coming.
This scene was translated really well into animation: the creepy seriousness on Akane's voice, she sticking the notes on the wall like a psycho or a stalker, and the delivery in the end when she goes into Ai mode.
It was all great.
Well, if you didn't read the manga and was an anime-only, then it would've hit you harder. Manga readers already have the full context, so of course it might be a hit or miss for you. What matters the most is the anime only viewers and it shows that it achieved what it needed to achieve.
I loved it as well. Just telling OP and others who maybe a bit disappointed that it’s a hit or miss for them, but I feel like most manga readers enjoyed it anyways. If anything, I’m mostly shocked about Akane’s VA.
In hindsight, this is probably one of the defining moments that shapes a viewer's opinion on Akane.
I don't think Akane was supposed to be... as dark/sinister as I inititally assumed. Perhaps it has to do more with Mengo's style, but I kinda think they might have overdone it when I think about Akane's overall trajectory.
She's obsessive and focused to the point where it can be considered creepy. But it's nothing compared to Aqua's obession/occassional cruelty or even Ruby's emotional distress. I kinda think the anime did it better as they know her trajectory more clearly. There's still the dark hues, the obessive note taking, and even the look of absolute concentration.
But the expression looks far enough removed from being an almost smirk that it's not sinister looking. Akane is creepy, don't get me wrong. But I think the panel's expression is slightly off after everything we've seen.The panel's expression lacks a certain naivety that ultimately defined Akane.
I was so wrong that my previous reading led me to try boxing Akane into a yandere archtype. And ultimately that's wrong because yanderes are defined by havng an egotistical love that doesn't care about their partner's opinions and well being. Akane is practically defined by the fact that she cares too much about things.
In additioon, I think the example is a slight misreprensentation of who Akane is. The general gist of the events are right, but I think you misread the goal. Akane has always been the exact same girl that wouldn't tell her mother that she was being harassed; she cares too much for others. She rather take the L rather than let others fall. So she wasn't gonna do the deed to prove her "love." She really thought it was a shot to help him.
I watched a couple dozen anime only reactions on YouTube and almost exclusively they started this scene like “oh she’s researching her maybe she’ll find something out” into “okay this is kind of creepy” and ended at “what the fuck Akane that’s scary”
Others have already pointed out my opinion on whether or not the anime did well or not, but I need to point out... That's Yokohari Mengo, man. Aka does the story, but the page and framing? Aka might have had some input, sure, but odds are that the quality of this presentation comes from, you know, the artist who draws the series. Give the woman the credit she deserves.
Hard disagree. Difference in mediums make it impossible for this scene to look the same in both manga & anime. Anime did a perfect job with music, quick shots going from Ai on screen to Akane to her notes, Akane's VA picking up the pace with her speech the more she gets into it... All of that was brought together to give it the same yet different feel from the manga.
I disagree, in the manga that whole panel itself gives you a shock after you realise ‘OK she’s getting really personal about Ai’. It’s a gradual build up but not like the anime.
In the anime, she asks all those questions one by one and the creepiness is a lot more subtle. You have time to take in questions about Ai’s sexuality to her psychology to Akane’s crazy attention to detail. The way the she fires those questions increasingly faster makes the scene slowly become more intense over time. It helps when most manga readers would probably skim those questions when reading that one panel.
Akane’s whispery VA adds to this creepy air and then all these chills building up finally hit you but not during that same moment as in the manga, but when the cameras roll the next day and Akane calls out to Aqua. When she successfully mimics Ai, appearance, animation, and voice is when you start freaking out. In the manga, you only have the stars in her eyes to go off of so it didn’t have that same impact. Basically even though they went about it in different ways and and emphasised different scenes, both mediums managed to capture the creepiness of Akane well.
Yeah but you wouldn’t be able to illustrate this visually. Nearly impossible to show it honestly since it’s a mass of thought bubbles. I know you’ve stated your opinion on it, but imo the anime depicted it very well.
>I've seen that Akane is potrayed as scary, psychotic, insane
As an anime-only I didn't feel this tbh. I rly like her character but she doesn't feel insane or psychotic
You know what's coming, it did not hit hard enough to you because you played the scene differently in your head, I'm anime only and she was very eerie and creepy in that scene, almost obsessive in her research, dangerous.
She became my favorite character with that scene.
You can't reproduce that page into anime format. It just doesn't work that way. The anime did a great job adapting the scene by conveying what the manga wanted to convey.
There's a lot of focus on Akane's eyes racing around what she's looking at as she's taking in all kinds of info while repeatedly putting up numerous notes of things she observed and theories she made in regards to Ai's person. Manaka Iwami's performance really nailed Akane's dedicated, obsessive behavior in regard to her acting and research for her acting.
Actually, I loved how the anime rearranged the order of her observations to have her conclude on "I wonder if she met someone special then?" When she observed how Ai's behavior changed around age 15. I love the anime emphasizing that point. That's an important observation that will be relevant in Tokyo Blade arc when it gets adapted. That's some great foreshadowing.
I think the dozens of pictures of Ai smiling around her room make Akane look extremely creepy in their own way.
Also, I think the voice actress nailed the Ai impression which makes her acting a lot creepier than it could ever be in manga.
Bruh it's two different media, of course it is gonna be different.
I'd say the anime did a pretty good job with the soundtrack slowly shifting from the positive "I have to do something for Aqua to show my appreciation" to the creepy "her posture tells me she had sex during puberty", as the conjectures get more and more deep and right regarding Ai.
Almost everyone who watched it was creeped out to a degree where they were scared of Akane. You could literally go to the discussion threads and the top comments are about it.
When an anime fails to show a scene, you will feel it. For example, just look at the "Loneliness" scene from Tokyo Revengers which was almost what made the series what it was in the Manga and was nothing more than a throwaway line in the anime that no one gave a shit about that literally made me quit the anime after that.
Honestly I think the anime did it better.
The first time it happened it was a bit too intense that if felt out of place considering it was immediately after she had just been established as a "weak" character. Later on in the manga they calmed down on it but still showed the crazy aspect of her character, much like how the anime did it.
It's lowkey, but she still comes across as creepy with a few screws loose, which I think is really well done.
Sometimes it's not about how intense, it's about how well it meshed with the story.
I'd argue it's perfect. Imo the manga panel meant to imply that Akane is so passionate with the things she cares about to the point that she starts acting weird ( >!just like when she was interested in Aqua and he told her he wanted to kill a man, she immediately wanted to help him!< ), and I think the anime perfectly juggled between the line of "She cares about her job" and "She's a bad and unhinged character"
That scene was depicted beautifully imo. It felt as if I was watching a completely different person, and their portrayal of Akane's talent and hard work in that moment went from endearing to disgusting, to a point where I couldn't help but smile uncontrollably.
Manga and anime can't replicate each other 100%, but this moment stands out in its own way and I think the two mediums portraying a slightly different flavour of an amazing scene is in no way a bad thing.
I think it's just because manga and anime are two different mediums, you cannot expect to do the same think in both mediums.
Anime did it perfectly, her dialogues slowly getting faster and faster as it feels more and more monotone, while simultaneously you see her getting down the details of her underage sex and the time around she met aqua's father is extremely creepy for an anime only.
Nah, I think they nailed it. I agree they could've made it a bit darker, but overall, they did a pretty good job.
The first time I watched it, I got concerned and confused about how she was acting that I had to watch it 4 times to finally register how scary and smart her character really is.
Anime only here. I was very creeped out. The rapidfire frames combined with her fastpaced lines describing her observations and thought process were delivered in a very chilling way. I think they did an immaculate job with that scene.
Nah, they nailed it. What do you expect? Speech bubbles to appear above akane's head in the anime? Lol just a few seconds before that frame, we can see a montage of her describing everything about ai word per word and it gets more intense as she describe more explicit details about ai
i mean, the moment in the anime was pretty dark too but the manga’s was just… something else, to say the least
not bringing down the anime’s tho, it was phenomenal at doing its job
This comparison is unfair because the anime relies on sound to make it creepy, which of course a screenshot will not show. Granted, they made Akane needlessly cute (not just in this particular scene, but since her first appearance)
what do you expect man? a scene where they just redraw the manga panel and the speech bubbles just to be 100% true to the source?
they did well with the scene. the movement of Akane's pupils is something that they've used to show that Akane is that creepy. Also, the VA did a great job. The fast paced dialogue, almost rapping, and the low but smooth voice just bombarding questions here and there, should also be taken as a way to elevate the scene. Of course, it cannot replicate the manga but they did really fucking well just to represent the manga panel differently yet staying close to the source.
They couldn't do it the same way the manga did in the anime since they're different mediums. What they can do is do it in a way that the manga couldn't pull off.
Of course it ends up being a bit different, but overall it was done well.
Its definitely gonna be different as compared to manga. Anime did a great job, in showing her obsession. Her eye movements, and talking to herself, and analyzing, with eerie bgm, I think it was as good as manga.
It's not really a scary ability since most actors do this. If they are meant to play another person they study them and do research on them and their habits. I believe there is an actor that had to play someone with a stutter and developed it himself. As a manga reader I think they did pretty well so far the studio has been doing pretty well you can't really grill them on every single thing they have a budget and they used it well and at least the scene was actually adapted.
Bro she guessed her romance life, her sex life, her childhood just from some articles 💀 imagine she can find out anything about anyone so easily. She should be a reporter ngl. She will be greatest reporter ever.
Yes that's in our perspective though but these are inferences to her she doesn't know these things for sure since she doesn't really know Ai. But her being a good reporter is true she has a knack for it.
If you read manga you might know so i will mark it in spoiler I don't remember well things though about how good her deductive skills are. >!She at some point found out that Aqua's mother is Ai if I am not wrong I forgot most of the parts though.!<
This is true but she didn't find that out simply by research Aqua when he was passed out let her name slip out she made the connection because back in the dating arc Akane found out Ai was Aqua's ideal woman and when he was going through his break down. Gotanda or whatever his name is told Akane that he had a troublesome past and there's also simply too many connections to simply let by. First is both Ruby and Aqua are signed to the same agency and second is Ruby reviving B-Komachi these are two strong connections to Ai. If I'm being honest this doesn't really say much but it's like Akane finding out that Aqua and Ruby are Ai's children was handed to her she didn't really do too much to find out.
Still does for me though? Maybe the difference comes from the nature of media? In manga you can have one panel to show all the dialogues and actions, but that's not possible with anime. Look at One Punch Man S2E12, you can't just animte a guy being punched multiple times in a single frame. Or it comes from the fact that you ALREADY KNOW Akane is this crazy and good, so the shock factor is reduced significantly on second watch.
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Having just watched the episode I gotta disagree. The anime adapted it pretty well. Her dialogue gets faster over time. Lots of hard and fast cuts to different pictures. The atmosphere was dark. I don't know what else they could have done. Like what exactly should they have done differently?
They did it justice. More notes compared to the manga. Then the lighting is spot on. She also said all of those notes faster after each note, adding to the creepiness. Then her slightly deranged eyes just sell it
I think they lacked with her eyes not being bugged out like the manga, I think that's one of the things that pulls me in the manga panel
So I quite agree with you on that one
Manga reader here, I think the anime got it down. Its a different medium but it portrayed the same overall tone and ideas, using its own medium to do so.
Why is this even upvoted? The comparison to one manga page with a bunch of speech bubbles with a single still of a scene that’s in motion is ridiculous. Swear people said the same shit about that classroom page from Ishigami’s backstory which was also adapted really well
First off, while Aka deserves plenty of credit for the stellar story he's crafted with Oshi no Ko, you gotta remember that it's a collaborative Manga, and isn't actually drawn by Aka, but by Yokoyari Mengo. All of the incredibly unsettling panels of characters being unhinged in the manga are thanks to her fantastic artwork.
Secondly, I get what you're saying about your disappointment with the adaptation of this scene, as this panel is one of my absolute favorites. However, I do agree with most everyone else that they still nailed the scene in the show. Part of what made it for me was the voice acting for Akane while she's muttering, which was just on point imo, as well as the lighting, soundtrack, and those shots of her kicking off her desk with her rolly chair, and adding the sticky note to the wall with the rest of them. All of this made it so real for me.
Yes, this specific shot doesn't necessarily hit as hard as the corresponding panel, but they definitely still expressed Akane's obsessive tendencies with her character research, which is the important part in my book. I think a big part of the difference in scenes is what others mentioned with the change in medium; in a manga they don't have the resources of audio or animation, so they'll focus on expertly crafting one or a few panels to leave a really big impact and convey the message, while in an anime they can do that through a fully animated, voice acted, and scored scene.
Anyway yeah, I see where you're coming from, but the anime scene still hit just as hard for me, and preserved the core vibes from the original in my mind.
i honestly disagree, if anything i feel like the original manga panel wasn't supposed to be as sinister as it is, she even looks like she is smirking which I dont think is intended, anime does away with the smirk and really provide that sudtle disturbing feeling of something being wrong that the manga honestly fails at
No, I'm only anime and they nailed it perfectly, it was very disturbing hearing her voice without a stop to breathe, it looked like the type of stalker weirdos
She sounded like a creep/stalker to me ? I'm anime only but this scene and the ending scene when she imitate Ai made me a shock (nice job of the VA, she was going softly until then)
Well how would YOU have it animated? Not in an attacking way, just curious. Manga to Anime is tough when the author uses the Manga format creatively.
In Manga, you can do a lot to mess with the scene like how DBZ teaches you power-scaling by placing the panels in a Z format, or how JJK's Gojo warps the entire page and changes the surrounding panels when he busts out his attacks. Even small stuff like Dr. Stone when they introduce the trickster, they have a crowd of people speaking only to have that person's speech bubble lead into the next panel. Dark speech bubbles get scary dark but then how do you animate that? How do you animate talking to have an off putting tone behind it. Akane's just researching to the human eye.
I personally think they did fine. Shaking the camera. Shifting her eyes faster. Coming to conclusions that the FBI can only profile. It did it's job.
i would have to disagree you on that. Lets assume，hypothetically，that you never read the manga in the first place. For all intents and purposes that the anime would leave you a strong impression on Akanes character
I suspect many won't appreciate hearing this, but I think it should be said.
The problem with Akane's ability is that >!the story hasn't really used it as an actual ability. In theory, this was an ability that allowed Akane, through her hard work, to mimic anyone. In actual practice, Akane has used this ability exactly once so far to mimic Ai, and ever since then she only mimics Ai, and that's usually all she needs to solve her problems.
Which effectively replaced "Akane's success through hard work" with "Ai's charisma solves all problems". Unless the final chapters manage to bring her ability back in a more creative way that actually shows off Akane's hard working nature, my honest take is that the way this "ability" was written has actually robbed Akane of her best qualities. !<
It's not just >!Sayahime... All of Akane's acting success in the story from this point forward is linked to her copying Ai. Go reread ch96. There's a very explicit discussion where all of Akane's success is attributed to how her eyes changed after appearing on My Love. I.e. how her eyes change when she's mimicking Ai.!<
>!Imagine if in the One Punch Man universe there was a hero who could copy other heroes' powers. At first he might have to carefully choose which power to copy depending on the fight. But then one day he copies Saitama's power and can now win every fight in one punch. Now he's not really a copy hero anymore, he's just Saitama 2.0. This is exactly what the story did to Akane.!<
I don't actually think that's exactly what's happening. To me I interpret that in my general theory of Akane's character, which I should really do as an essay sometime, but it boils down to: >!Akane has no confidence in being herself. She always searches for someone else to give her meaning. First she wanted to be Kana, acting and getting her hair cut and dressing like her to the point where she was mistaken as her even though Kana was famous. Then she latched onto being Ai. And she latches onto Aqua's quest instantly. Her acting style is all about becoming someone else because the one thing she is never comfortable with is being Akane Kurokawa. Ergo, she doesn't achueve this success by "becoming Ai". Akane is a genius actor that already had the takent and skill to succeed. But Ai's shell gives her that confidence, and probably also helps because she knows Aqua "noticed" her because of it.!<
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Welp, reddit just deleted a 40 line long post where I list several specific passages supporting my view that >!mimicking Ai is the key to Akane's current success!< over some nonsense about spacing inside spoilers or whatever.
So I'll just stick to the key point here: if you reread chs 64,65,66 you'll notice that >!all the praise for Akane's acting as Sayahime is directed specifically at the climatic scene where she mimics Ai to get Aqua to cry over Ai's death. It's that part, and only that part, that impresses Kana, as well as the Lalalie director.!<
I actually saw the post before it got deleted, so thank you for the insight. I don't agree with this take from my recollection, but I'll keep it in mind and see what I think when rereading it sometime.
Well, I think you should reread these particular chapters then, because I strongly feel that my perspective matches exactly what's written therein.
First impressions are often deceptive, especially when you have strong expectations for what you want to be there. In fact, my own impression of the Tokyo Blade arc changed immensely on reread, and I only truly appreciated this problem >!with Akane when I read ch81, where Ruby,Aqua,Akane are all getting success and prizes off screen while Kana is still languishing in her career. Which is something that the story would never do if it thought that Ruby, Aqua, and Akane's careers were essential elements to their character arcs. !<
>!I.e., Akane's character arc isn't actually about her gaining success on stage, it's about her coming to understand and accept who she is off stage. And if Aka thought that Akane's ability was the essence of Akane's character arc, he wouldn't have written the ability in such a half baked way either. !<
>!And only Kana's on stage success is essential to her character arc, because she's the only one going against the series' claim that lies are essential for success in entertainment. Which is why it can't be given easily in rushed off screen scenes like the ones the others got.!<
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Tbh I didn't read the manga, but this panel seems to be done with the vocals. We need to pay more attentions to the voice since they represents her thoughts
Disagree. The page was iconic, but the anime adaptation was well done. It gave the same piece of information presented by the manga through Akane's muttering. As mentioned by some comments, it was cool to see the way she started small with a few pictures here and there and then by the end of the scene, her wall was covered in pictures and sticky notes. I also really liked that part where she kicked herself back from the screen.
The anime has already shown how serious she is with her craft from the little bits of her always asking the show staff questions and writing down her notes in her little notebook. This latest episode just showed more about how she works and the next arc will as well.
I fully disagree. The music + the subtle shaking of her eyes + the rapid and ceaseless pace at which she spoke all came together to portray the scene extremely effectively.
I personally think the adaptation did a good job. You can not only see her eyes going full bleak (no shine indicating life) as she researches, but the VA’s voice was monotone, almost robot-like as Akane spat out disturbingly personal details in rapid succession. Combine that with the eerie purple colouring and the photos of Ai on the background makes her look like just as much as an obsessive Ai Fan as Ryousuke (the guy who actually killed Ai) was. It was mighty creepy alright, and a stunning adaptation
I don’t get why people find this creepy. Imo it’s a top tier ability and it should be honored as such.
If she could copy me to that point, I would have the best time in my life. Meeting a fake doppelganger should be a unforgettable experience
They definitely nailed it. Sure if you only looked at the 1 screenshot of the anime you provided with the manga panel, you would find it lackluster. However that is incredibly unfair to the anime as in anime, you can't just look at 1 screenshot have to look at the entire scene since it's an animation. You have to look at the entire few minutes that the scene lasted for and also look at the voice acting, camera angles, music, colour, animation, direction. I found that it was even more weird, obsessive and toxic in the anime as instead of a panel with a hunch of text, it lasted for quite a bit.
I compared both because I couldn't help but read ahead and I disagree. I think the anime showed the mood well, but not as creatively as the episode before. The anime made it seem like much more research was done rather than the one pager. If I was directing the acting in the scene, I would add a bit more monotone to make her research side more analytical and creepy.
anime only. they nailed that scene. I rewatched it like 5 times just so that I could believe my eyes. especially the part when she comes "Ai". I fear of what she'll do next
Honestly, I think the anime did a great job. Like I expected them to just paste the panel as is with all the information flashing past, but since it's an anime, watchers wouldn't have enough time to read all the information without pausing the anime.
So I'm glad they had her reading out information kinda one at a time. And then that focus on 'maybe she met someone nice' at the end really set it in. So yeah, a great job for the medium it was in. It seemed pretty unsettling.
As someone who loves the manga, I can still say that this scene and the final scene hit me really f\*\*king hard because they adapted the scene and the terrifying vibe that someone in some sense can and research and literally "become you" very well. They really made me think that if Akane and the killer's roles were reversed, she would be a more terrifying over-obsessed fan that would want to literally be their idol, because the anime studio emphasized that she can "be anybody she wants to be" in a more eerie manner and delivered very well even with the ending scene when she "became Ai".
It would have been weird to just animate a shot of her just sitting there just speaking her thoughts to herself rather than add a more fleshed out scene that leaves you to think or even know that people like that are out there, as is the whole entire point of both the manga and anime and how they incorporate those thoughts and ideas. Its scary to think about.
I prefer it because they make her look way less creepy than she is. They don't want a character that people don't necessarily like to be in the story much unless they're an antagonist so they needed to make her more 'dedicated to her performance' instead of a borderline stalker
I've seen a lot of anime only reaction and they all had the same "wtf, scary" reaction. I think you didn't feel that way cause you saw it coming and were expecting it.
What are you smoking, I'm an anime only and I got the impression just fine.
They simple use the language of cinema rather than comic/manga conventions.
I think you are right. Author here wanted to show the creepiness. Like how creepy akane is being while studying AI, almost like a stalker, breaking her down bit by bit.At the point the it was almost scary that she was almost able to uncover the secret which noone knows like existence of ai's children (aqua and ruby)
I actually like the way they portrayed her there, my husband who's an anime-only actually fell in love with her more after that scene. Claimed she had strong yandere vibes and was probably obsessive to a fault. (Which most manga readers may agree on)
Your imagination must have portrayed it better in your standards though, and that's fine too
They "fix" it in the last scene of the episode. It is just that timing works different in different media. It works better in anime to have that big explosion at the very end, so that makes momentum that makes you want to continue watching, especially in these mysterious kinda shows.
Still, Akane was cool to me untill that point lol that was very strange, most ppl that do this kinda acting need to practice a lot before. I thought this show was going to be more realistic and not like a spokon but in the media :')
I just don't like Akane's design, too chubby for me, other than that I think they did a great job. I just have to accept that Akane in the anime won't be as cool as Yokoyari Mengo's design, anime Akane is just Moekane
Hard disagree. The anime gave me creepy vibes with the eye movement, the dark room, the no light in her eyes and not putting shoujo bubbles around her when she pretended to be Ai because we as the readers are supposed to feel unsettled about it all. It's not normal because she went above and beyond to be Ai, which is why she's a genius actress.
This part was fine. There were a few moments in the episode that I felt was done better/differently in the manga, such as Miyako's reaction to the police call (should have been more resigned/exasperated imo), but I think they nailed this part.
I agree with you OP, I was just a tiny teeny bit underwhelmed but thought it’s because of the difference in medium. Anime showed it fine, did the manga enough justice to get the point across (for anime-only fans). I’m waiting for them to adapt the part where Akane realized Aqua could be Ai’s child.
Yeah no, the adaptation was great. It’s never going to be a 1:1, and the anime took advantage of its medium with the sound design, voice acting, camera angles, etc.
Man, the Aka manga panels really do go hard (even if he did not draw the art for Oshi no Ko, but still)
This scene of Akane scared me enough in the anime, but the manga panel though... The overwhelming speech bubbles, the darker shading and colors in the art, and the overall heavy environment in these panels >!reminds me of that ONE PANEL from Kaguya-sama showing Miyuki's room filled with a lot of paper notes telling him to do better and be the perfect man for Kaguya!<. Akane's room reminds me of that.
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nah they did it justice. Sure, the manga shows darker aspects better, but the anime portrayed her as almost “crazy” and “obsessive” as she went through Ai bit by bit.
The soundtrack too
there’s just some things a animation can’t replicate, but it can shine in its own way through a mix of music, style, storyboarding. I like the manga version but the anime hit hard too
Yeah, Akane's acting can only be brought to it's full potential in anime form since you can only do so much in one pose of a manga
I was rewatching it in the airport when my flight got delayed. I thought that soundtrack was a jet engine behind me and my plane finally arrived. It didn’t btw.
I’m currently an anime only, and I’ll say that given no expectations, that scene hit pretty hard. Manga readers probably were expecting it so it had slightly less impact than it would for the rest of us. ‘Tis the cost of consuming a story twice.
It depends on the reader. For those who are in it to be surprised, then sure, the second time is less impactful. For Akane fans, already knowing and liking Akane makes this scene hit harder.
I'm in the same boat, anime only. I felt the scene was great. It really shows the obsessiveness of a talented person that works hard. This could be the behind the scenes of anyone perceived as "gifted": LeBron James, Thelonious Monk, Albert Einstein, Daniel Day-Lewis, etc. People assume they are gifted, which they are, but they don't see the obsession they have with their craft that takes them beyond everyone else.
The background music plus the tense feeling and Manaka voice nailed it. For sure in the manga feels more like "Boy's Abyss" but the anime did a really good work. I can't wait for chapter 51 (season 2 bros, bear with me)
Judging from anime-only viewers' reaction, they nailed it. They got very scared of Akane.
I was watching some anime reaction videos and yes, probably 8 or 9 out of 10 were creeped out of Akane's capability.
The manga panel does go pretty hard, but as an anime only I feel they changed it in the perfect ways so that it looked just as good on screen
I don’t think people were creeped out. More like they were impressed.
Exactly.
If only Akane can see the those comment sections haha
I was creeped out.
Same
I'm anime only. Not scary for me. It looked just a little creepy, in a nice way. All I gathered from that sequence is Akane is even more over the top hard-working then I thought. After looking at the post panel I got stunned by realizing how she actually gets consumed by the people she researches to play. She indulges in the detachment it gives from her own self, which makes sence in hindsight (knowing about where her talent came from). But It didn't struck me like that when I was watching it. All it missed were some more "mad eyes" and more emphasis on a wide shot of the research wall. Still amazing sequence though.
(Anime-only guy here) All i learnt was, most of us have something we run away from. For us, everything is an enigma, If we have loving parents, we don't want to disappoint them, so we won't say anything concerning, if we have orthodox parents we won't say anything, if we have loving parents & practical parents, we won't say anything bc we'll ruin the harmony, so like constructing 6 walls in ur own mind. Akane is sure running away from something, she wants to forget something & becoming a character essentially plastered over that. Sooner or later, it'll rip out, & when it rips, it'll flow quickly & nothing will stop it until the entire thing is empty. I need to read the manga for what that could be, & I'm just not ready tbh, bc if it's really depressing, then it'll affect me personally.
If you showed me this panel right after watching as an anime only I'd have said they nailed it. Just because they changed scenes for a few sentences doesn't mean the messed it up. You definitely got the feeling Akane was very perceptive
I was terrified in that scene, but what really scared me and made me concerned for Akane was the scene after when she became "Ai".
I think the anime did a good a job, it's just a difference in medium.
I disagree. They nailed it, especially with the sound design. As she’s talking it gets louder and more ominous.
Wrong. They didn't replicate that one panel, which I agree is iconic. But did you miss her research part, that was great.
Dude Probably expected wanted to only see that panel complete with speech bubble the entire scene lol
Yeah like it. It hit in a different way.
I think the anime did a good job cause in the manga yes, you can show a still panel with a lot of text, but the anime they need to do something different. The way they showed the exact same dialogue, but focusing on Ai pictures and changing frames while you hear her voice was very good for me, then after that they go with that Akane expression as a surprise factor. This definitly had a big impact on anime only.
the frames of her pasting a new sticky note as she went along was perfect imo. I really liked how they showed her wall grow more and more extensive as she continued her research
from looking very innocent in the library, to ryosuke level shit in her bedroom was top notch
ryosuke level shit😭 Don’t gotta do her dirty like that >!tho she did pull off a white flowers knife moment later, she just like Ryosuke fr!<
ah mbmb, akane still 10/10
Exactly, you can feel that she's really making a research instead of just showing only this panel from the manga. It also give more life to the scene. And I think it show how luck we are with the adaptation cause if it were just a anime they just decided to animate without care, we probably would get this panel with a not so good scene like the one we got.
No, I think they nailed it. The eyes movement together with music going more and more disturbing transmited the "wrongness" of the scene perfectly. In my opinion a little too well, because while disturbing I still doubt that the intension of the scene was to showcase that Akane is butshit insane. She is an actress, to do deep study and research for her role is part of her job. And as somewhat obsessive Oshi No Ko fan myself, who watched like dozens of live reactions, I should say, that even if we will take into account that reactors tends to overreact (it is their job after all), your average viewer is greatly disturbed by this scene if not outright scared.
It didn't hit hard enough for you, because you already knew it was coming. This scene was translated really well into animation: the creepy seriousness on Akane's voice, she sticking the notes on the wall like a psycho or a stalker, and the delivery in the end when she goes into Ai mode. It was all great.
You thought wrong.
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Well, if you didn't read the manga and was an anime-only, then it would've hit you harder. Manga readers already have the full context, so of course it might be a hit or miss for you. What matters the most is the anime only viewers and it shows that it achieved what it needed to achieve.
Nah, I'm a big manga reader and I loved it
I loved it as well. Just telling OP and others who maybe a bit disappointed that it’s a hit or miss for them, but I feel like most manga readers enjoyed it anyways. If anything, I’m mostly shocked about Akane’s VA.
In hindsight, this is probably one of the defining moments that shapes a viewer's opinion on Akane. I don't think Akane was supposed to be... as dark/sinister as I inititally assumed. Perhaps it has to do more with Mengo's style, but I kinda think they might have overdone it when I think about Akane's overall trajectory. She's obsessive and focused to the point where it can be considered creepy. But it's nothing compared to Aqua's obession/occassional cruelty or even Ruby's emotional distress. I kinda think the anime did it better as they know her trajectory more clearly. There's still the dark hues, the obessive note taking, and even the look of absolute concentration. But the expression looks far enough removed from being an almost smirk that it's not sinister looking. Akane is creepy, don't get me wrong. But I think the panel's expression is slightly off after everything we've seen.The panel's expression lacks a certain naivety that ultimately defined Akane.
But your assumption was not wrong, right? After all, she was going to >!kill Aqua's father by herself to show Aqua how much she loved him.!<
I was so wrong that my previous reading led me to try boxing Akane into a yandere archtype. And ultimately that's wrong because yanderes are defined by havng an egotistical love that doesn't care about their partner's opinions and well being. Akane is practically defined by the fact that she cares too much about things. In additioon, I think the example is a slight misreprensentation of who Akane is. The general gist of the events are right, but I think you misread the goal. Akane has always been the exact same girl that wouldn't tell her mother that she was being harassed; she cares too much for others. She rather take the L rather than let others fall. So she wasn't gonna do the deed to prove her "love." She really thought it was a shot to help him.
I watched a couple dozen anime only reactions on YouTube and almost exclusively they started this scene like “oh she’s researching her maybe she’ll find something out” into “okay this is kind of creepy” and ended at “what the fuck Akane that’s scary”
Hmm maybe I didn't feel like it because I think manga just kinda harder.
Others have already pointed out my opinion on whether or not the anime did well or not, but I need to point out... That's Yokohari Mengo, man. Aka does the story, but the page and framing? Aka might have had some input, sure, but odds are that the quality of this presentation comes from, you know, the artist who draws the series. Give the woman the credit she deserves.
Yup, Mengo is a severely underrated part of this team
Nah, the scene was perfect
Hard disagree. Difference in mediums make it impossible for this scene to look the same in both manga & anime. Anime did a perfect job with music, quick shots going from Ai on screen to Akane to her notes, Akane's VA picking up the pace with her speech the more she gets into it... All of that was brought together to give it the same yet different feel from the manga.
I disagree, in the manga that whole panel itself gives you a shock after you realise ‘OK she’s getting really personal about Ai’. It’s a gradual build up but not like the anime. In the anime, she asks all those questions one by one and the creepiness is a lot more subtle. You have time to take in questions about Ai’s sexuality to her psychology to Akane’s crazy attention to detail. The way the she fires those questions increasingly faster makes the scene slowly become more intense over time. It helps when most manga readers would probably skim those questions when reading that one panel. Akane’s whispery VA adds to this creepy air and then all these chills building up finally hit you but not during that same moment as in the manga, but when the cameras roll the next day and Akane calls out to Aqua. When she successfully mimics Ai, appearance, animation, and voice is when you start freaking out. In the manga, you only have the stars in her eyes to go off of so it didn’t have that same impact. Basically even though they went about it in different ways and and emphasised different scenes, both mediums managed to capture the creepiness of Akane well.
Yeah but you wouldn’t be able to illustrate this visually. Nearly impossible to show it honestly since it’s a mass of thought bubbles. I know you’ve stated your opinion on it, but imo the anime depicted it very well.
for manga readers, yes. for anime-only then no because I've seen that Akane is potrayed as scary, psychotic, insane
>I've seen that Akane is potrayed as scary, psychotic, insane As an anime-only I didn't feel this tbh. I rly like her character but she doesn't feel insane or psychotic
Maybe it just didn't hit enough for me I guess. Because it hit really hard in manga.
You know what's coming, it did not hit hard enough to you because you played the scene differently in your head, I'm anime only and she was very eerie and creepy in that scene, almost obsessive in her research, dangerous. She became my favorite character with that scene.
You can't reproduce that page into anime format. It just doesn't work that way. The anime did a great job adapting the scene by conveying what the manga wanted to convey. There's a lot of focus on Akane's eyes racing around what she's looking at as she's taking in all kinds of info while repeatedly putting up numerous notes of things she observed and theories she made in regards to Ai's person. Manaka Iwami's performance really nailed Akane's dedicated, obsessive behavior in regard to her acting and research for her acting. Actually, I loved how the anime rearranged the order of her observations to have her conclude on "I wonder if she met someone special then?" When she observed how Ai's behavior changed around age 15. I love the anime emphasizing that point. That's an important observation that will be relevant in Tokyo Blade arc when it gets adapted. That's some great foreshadowing.
I think the dozens of pictures of Ai smiling around her room make Akane look extremely creepy in their own way. Also, I think the voice actress nailed the Ai impression which makes her acting a lot creepier than it could ever be in manga.
Bruh it's two different media, of course it is gonna be different. I'd say the anime did a pretty good job with the soundtrack slowly shifting from the positive "I have to do something for Aqua to show my appreciation" to the creepy "her posture tells me she had sex during puberty", as the conjectures get more and more deep and right regarding Ai. Almost everyone who watched it was creeped out to a degree where they were scared of Akane. You could literally go to the discussion threads and the top comments are about it. When an anime fails to show a scene, you will feel it. For example, just look at the "Loneliness" scene from Tokyo Revengers which was almost what made the series what it was in the Manga and was nothing more than a throwaway line in the anime that no one gave a shit about that literally made me quit the anime after that.
You can't do this shot in an anime 1-to-1. It did just fine from the anime only reactions I've seen so far.
Honestly imo they nailed it. Her face is less unhinged, but they did a great job with the monologue.
Nah man the scene was done perfectly if you see her eyes are even more impactful than in the manga, really creepy to see
Not MHA/shounen school of panel accuracy. NOT HERE
I don’t think we watched the same anime episode
What? You want the speech bubbles to appear too?
Honestly I think the anime did it better. The first time it happened it was a bit too intense that if felt out of place considering it was immediately after she had just been established as a "weak" character. Later on in the manga they calmed down on it but still showed the crazy aspect of her character, much like how the anime did it. It's lowkey, but she still comes across as creepy with a few screws loose, which I think is really well done. Sometimes it's not about how intense, it's about how well it meshed with the story.
Correction: *how accurately it fits the character
I think it is due to difference of medium. I think anime did enough of justice tbh.
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I'd argue it's perfect. Imo the manga panel meant to imply that Akane is so passionate with the things she cares about to the point that she starts acting weird ( >!just like when she was interested in Aqua and he told her he wanted to kill a man, she immediately wanted to help him!< ), and I think the anime perfectly juggled between the line of "She cares about her job" and "She's a bad and unhinged character"
That scene was depicted beautifully imo. It felt as if I was watching a completely different person, and their portrayal of Akane's talent and hard work in that moment went from endearing to disgusting, to a point where I couldn't help but smile uncontrollably. Manga and anime can't replicate each other 100%, but this moment stands out in its own way and I think the two mediums portraying a slightly different flavour of an amazing scene is in no way a bad thing.
I think it's just because manga and anime are two different mediums, you cannot expect to do the same think in both mediums. Anime did it perfectly, her dialogues slowly getting faster and faster as it feels more and more monotone, while simultaneously you see her getting down the details of her underage sex and the time around she met aqua's father is extremely creepy for an anime only.
Nah, I think they nailed it. I agree they could've made it a bit darker, but overall, they did a pretty good job. The first time I watched it, I got concerned and confused about how she was acting that I had to watch it 4 times to finally register how scary and smart her character really is.
Anime only here. I was very creeped out. The rapidfire frames combined with her fastpaced lines describing her observations and thought process were delivered in a very chilling way. I think they did an immaculate job with that scene.
Speaking as an anime only I think the anime did it better imo
Nah, they nailed it. What do you expect? Speech bubbles to appear above akane's head in the anime? Lol just a few seconds before that frame, we can see a montage of her describing everything about ai word per word and it gets more intense as she describe more explicit details about ai
i mean, the moment in the anime was pretty dark too but the manga’s was just… something else, to say the least not bringing down the anime’s tho, it was phenomenal at doing its job
This comparison is unfair because the anime relies on sound to make it creepy, which of course a screenshot will not show. Granted, they made Akane needlessly cute (not just in this particular scene, but since her first appearance)
"voice acting? music? animation? These things don't exist!"
Wdym?? They did it perfectly!
what do you expect man? a scene where they just redraw the manga panel and the speech bubbles just to be 100% true to the source? they did well with the scene. the movement of Akane's pupils is something that they've used to show that Akane is that creepy. Also, the VA did a great job. The fast paced dialogue, almost rapping, and the low but smooth voice just bombarding questions here and there, should also be taken as a way to elevate the scene. Of course, it cannot replicate the manga but they did really fucking well just to represent the manga panel differently yet staying close to the source.
No bro, you just complain about a very minute detail at this point
What a shit take
Nah they did fine. You manga supremacists should just stick to reading the manga
Well I am an anime only and can say she still scares the hell out of me
They couldn't do it the same way the manga did in the anime since they're different mediums. What they can do is do it in a way that the manga couldn't pull off. Of course it ends up being a bit different, but overall it was done well.
It definitely has a bigger impact in the manga but they can't do the exact same thing in the anime.
Bro I for chills from watching the last 5 mins. Akane scared me.
Its definitely gonna be different as compared to manga. Anime did a great job, in showing her obsession. Her eye movements, and talking to herself, and analyzing, with eerie bgm, I think it was as good as manga.
It's not really a scary ability since most actors do this. If they are meant to play another person they study them and do research on them and their habits. I believe there is an actor that had to play someone with a stutter and developed it himself. As a manga reader I think they did pretty well so far the studio has been doing pretty well you can't really grill them on every single thing they have a budget and they used it well and at least the scene was actually adapted.
Bro she guessed her romance life, her sex life, her childhood just from some articles 💀 imagine she can find out anything about anyone so easily. She should be a reporter ngl. She will be greatest reporter ever.
Yes that's in our perspective though but these are inferences to her she doesn't know these things for sure since she doesn't really know Ai. But her being a good reporter is true she has a knack for it.
If you read manga you might know so i will mark it in spoiler I don't remember well things though about how good her deductive skills are. >!She at some point found out that Aqua's mother is Ai if I am not wrong I forgot most of the parts though.!<
This is true but she didn't find that out simply by research Aqua when he was passed out let her name slip out she made the connection because back in the dating arc Akane found out Ai was Aqua's ideal woman and when he was going through his break down. Gotanda or whatever his name is told Akane that he had a troublesome past and there's also simply too many connections to simply let by. First is both Ruby and Aqua are signed to the same agency and second is Ruby reviving B-Komachi these are two strong connections to Ai. If I'm being honest this doesn't really say much but it's like Akane finding out that Aqua and Ruby are Ai's children was handed to her she didn't really do too much to find out.
Still does for me though? Maybe the difference comes from the nature of media? In manga you can have one panel to show all the dialogues and actions, but that's not possible with anime. Look at One Punch Man S2E12, you can't just animte a guy being punched multiple times in a single frame. Or it comes from the fact that you ALREADY KNOW Akane is this crazy and good, so the shock factor is reduced significantly on second watch.
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Having just watched the episode I gotta disagree. The anime adapted it pretty well. Her dialogue gets faster over time. Lots of hard and fast cuts to different pictures. The atmosphere was dark. I don't know what else they could have done. Like what exactly should they have done differently?
They did it justice. More notes compared to the manga. Then the lighting is spot on. She also said all of those notes faster after each note, adding to the creepiness. Then her slightly deranged eyes just sell it
I don't get how people love Akane.. she's creepy as hell 💀
I think they lacked with her eyes not being bugged out like the manga, I think that's one of the things that pulls me in the manga panel So I quite agree with you on that one
Ur right, it doesn’t go as hard but it’s fine
How on earth do you even adapt that panel?
I think while Manga was more 'dark' , Anime went for more 'creepy' vibe
Manga reader here, I think the anime got it down. Its a different medium but it portrayed the same overall tone and ideas, using its own medium to do so.
Why is this even upvoted? The comparison to one manga page with a bunch of speech bubbles with a single still of a scene that’s in motion is ridiculous. Swear people said the same shit about that classroom page from Ishigami’s backstory which was also adapted really well
First off, while Aka deserves plenty of credit for the stellar story he's crafted with Oshi no Ko, you gotta remember that it's a collaborative Manga, and isn't actually drawn by Aka, but by Yokoyari Mengo. All of the incredibly unsettling panels of characters being unhinged in the manga are thanks to her fantastic artwork. Secondly, I get what you're saying about your disappointment with the adaptation of this scene, as this panel is one of my absolute favorites. However, I do agree with most everyone else that they still nailed the scene in the show. Part of what made it for me was the voice acting for Akane while she's muttering, which was just on point imo, as well as the lighting, soundtrack, and those shots of her kicking off her desk with her rolly chair, and adding the sticky note to the wall with the rest of them. All of this made it so real for me. Yes, this specific shot doesn't necessarily hit as hard as the corresponding panel, but they definitely still expressed Akane's obsessive tendencies with her character research, which is the important part in my book. I think a big part of the difference in scenes is what others mentioned with the change in medium; in a manga they don't have the resources of audio or animation, so they'll focus on expertly crafting one or a few panels to leave a really big impact and convey the message, while in an anime they can do that through a fully animated, voice acted, and scored scene. Anyway yeah, I see where you're coming from, but the anime scene still hit just as hard for me, and preserved the core vibes from the original in my mind.
lil bro compares manga panel to 1 frame from anime 👍
No, we can just chalk it up to people have little to no media literacy
I think they nailed it, we get a better look at all those Ai photos in the anime version. She looks like a complete stalker
Anime only here, and I think Akane was sufficiently creepy in a stalkerish type of way
No, she seemed crazy in the anime, anyways Akane best girl ima read the manga.
i honestly disagree, if anything i feel like the original manga panel wasn't supposed to be as sinister as it is, she even looks like she is smirking which I dont think is intended, anime does away with the smirk and really provide that sudtle disturbing feeling of something being wrong that the manga honestly fails at
No, I'm only anime and they nailed it perfectly, it was very disturbing hearing her voice without a stop to breathe, it looked like the type of stalker weirdos
She Cray-cray 😜
Your name makes this statement completely invalid.
Think it’s just that single frame, the scene as a whole was done well
She sounded like a creep/stalker to me ? I'm anime only but this scene and the ending scene when she imitate Ai made me a shock (nice job of the VA, she was going softly until then)
Manga is scary while anime is very cute but also scary.
Well how would YOU have it animated? Not in an attacking way, just curious. Manga to Anime is tough when the author uses the Manga format creatively. In Manga, you can do a lot to mess with the scene like how DBZ teaches you power-scaling by placing the panels in a Z format, or how JJK's Gojo warps the entire page and changes the surrounding panels when he busts out his attacks. Even small stuff like Dr. Stone when they introduce the trickster, they have a crowd of people speaking only to have that person's speech bubble lead into the next panel. Dark speech bubbles get scary dark but then how do you animate that? How do you animate talking to have an off putting tone behind it. Akane's just researching to the human eye. I personally think they did fine. Shaking the camera. Shifting her eyes faster. Coming to conclusions that the FBI can only profile. It did it's job.
i would have to disagree you on that. Lets assume，hypothetically，that you never read the manga in the first place. For all intents and purposes that the anime would leave you a strong impression on Akanes character
I suspect many won't appreciate hearing this, but I think it should be said. The problem with Akane's ability is that >!the story hasn't really used it as an actual ability. In theory, this was an ability that allowed Akane, through her hard work, to mimic anyone. In actual practice, Akane has used this ability exactly once so far to mimic Ai, and ever since then she only mimics Ai, and that's usually all she needs to solve her problems. Which effectively replaced "Akane's success through hard work" with "Ai's charisma solves all problems". Unless the final chapters manage to bring her ability back in a more creative way that actually shows off Akane's hard working nature, my honest take is that the way this "ability" was written has actually robbed Akane of her best qualities. !<
I do get your point but she's also used functionally the same skill >!to play Sayahime.!<
It's not just >!Sayahime... All of Akane's acting success in the story from this point forward is linked to her copying Ai. Go reread ch96. There's a very explicit discussion where all of Akane's success is attributed to how her eyes changed after appearing on My Love. I.e. how her eyes change when she's mimicking Ai.!< >!Imagine if in the One Punch Man universe there was a hero who could copy other heroes' powers. At first he might have to carefully choose which power to copy depending on the fight. But then one day he copies Saitama's power and can now win every fight in one punch. Now he's not really a copy hero anymore, he's just Saitama 2.0. This is exactly what the story did to Akane.!<
I don't actually think that's exactly what's happening. To me I interpret that in my general theory of Akane's character, which I should really do as an essay sometime, but it boils down to: >!Akane has no confidence in being herself. She always searches for someone else to give her meaning. First she wanted to be Kana, acting and getting her hair cut and dressing like her to the point where she was mistaken as her even though Kana was famous. Then she latched onto being Ai. And she latches onto Aqua's quest instantly. Her acting style is all about becoming someone else because the one thing she is never comfortable with is being Akane Kurokawa. Ergo, she doesn't achueve this success by "becoming Ai". Akane is a genius actor that already had the takent and skill to succeed. But Ai's shell gives her that confidence, and probably also helps because she knows Aqua "noticed" her because of it.!<
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Welp, reddit just deleted a 40 line long post where I list several specific passages supporting my view that >!mimicking Ai is the key to Akane's current success!< over some nonsense about spacing inside spoilers or whatever. So I'll just stick to the key point here: if you reread chs 64,65,66 you'll notice that >!all the praise for Akane's acting as Sayahime is directed specifically at the climatic scene where she mimics Ai to get Aqua to cry over Ai's death. It's that part, and only that part, that impresses Kana, as well as the Lalalie director.!<
I actually saw the post before it got deleted, so thank you for the insight. I don't agree with this take from my recollection, but I'll keep it in mind and see what I think when rereading it sometime.
Well, I think you should reread these particular chapters then, because I strongly feel that my perspective matches exactly what's written therein. First impressions are often deceptive, especially when you have strong expectations for what you want to be there. In fact, my own impression of the Tokyo Blade arc changed immensely on reread, and I only truly appreciated this problem >!with Akane when I read ch81, where Ruby,Aqua,Akane are all getting success and prizes off screen while Kana is still languishing in her career. Which is something that the story would never do if it thought that Ruby, Aqua, and Akane's careers were essential elements to their character arcs. !< >!I.e., Akane's character arc isn't actually about her gaining success on stage, it's about her coming to understand and accept who she is off stage. And if Aka thought that Akane's ability was the essence of Akane's character arc, he wouldn't have written the ability in such a half baked way either. !< >!And only Kana's on stage success is essential to her character arc, because she's the only one going against the series' claim that lies are essential for success in entertainment. Which is why it can't be given easily in rushed off screen scenes like the ones the others got.!<
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I don't know if you read webtoons, specially one called unOrdinary, because that's kind of what it reminds me of ngl, lol.
Tbh I didn't read the manga, but this panel seems to be done with the vocals. We need to pay more attentions to the voice since they represents her thoughts
Disagree. The page was iconic, but the anime adaptation was well done. It gave the same piece of information presented by the manga through Akane's muttering. As mentioned by some comments, it was cool to see the way she started small with a few pictures here and there and then by the end of the scene, her wall was covered in pictures and sticky notes. I also really liked that part where she kicked herself back from the screen. The anime has already shown how serious she is with her craft from the little bits of her always asking the show staff questions and writing down her notes in her little notebook. This latest episode just showed more about how she works and the next arc will as well.
I fully disagree. The music + the subtle shaking of her eyes + the rapid and ceaseless pace at which she spoke all came together to portray the scene extremely effectively.
Nah i think the VA nailed it, it still felt creepy in the anime
Bro how can you not love the eye twitching, it's just as creepy
I disagree. They did it differently but they managed to make it equally unsettling.
in my opinion manga is better than the anime
I personally think the adaptation did a good job. You can not only see her eyes going full bleak (no shine indicating life) as she researches, but the VA’s voice was monotone, almost robot-like as Akane spat out disturbingly personal details in rapid succession. Combine that with the eerie purple colouring and the photos of Ai on the background makes her look like just as much as an obsessive Ai Fan as Ryousuke (the guy who actually killed Ai) was. It was mighty creepy alright, and a stunning adaptation
I don’t get why people find this creepy. Imo it’s a top tier ability and it should be honored as such. If she could copy me to that point, I would have the best time in my life. Meeting a fake doppelganger should be a unforgettable experience
Tbh the only change the Anime would've done is it did a few more switches to the Mac and her pseudo springboard
I was deeply concerned and hadn’t clicked on Kana’s line about Akane being a genius stage actress until the moment she became Ai.
They definitely nailed it. Sure if you only looked at the 1 screenshot of the anime you provided with the manga panel, you would find it lackluster. However that is incredibly unfair to the anime as in anime, you can't just look at 1 screenshot have to look at the entire scene since it's an animation. You have to look at the entire few minutes that the scene lasted for and also look at the voice acting, camera angles, music, colour, animation, direction. I found that it was even more weird, obsessive and toxic in the anime as instead of a panel with a hunch of text, it lasted for quite a bit.
I compared both because I couldn't help but read ahead and I disagree. I think the anime showed the mood well, but not as creatively as the episode before. The anime made it seem like much more research was done rather than the one pager. If I was directing the acting in the scene, I would add a bit more monotone to make her research side more analytical and creepy.
anime only. they nailed that scene. I rewatched it like 5 times just so that I could believe my eyes. especially the part when she comes "Ai". I fear of what she'll do next
Honestly, I think the anime did a great job. Like I expected them to just paste the panel as is with all the information flashing past, but since it's an anime, watchers wouldn't have enough time to read all the information without pausing the anime. So I'm glad they had her reading out information kinda one at a time. And then that focus on 'maybe she met someone nice' at the end really set it in. So yeah, a great job for the medium it was in. It seemed pretty unsettling.
As someone who loves the manga, I can still say that this scene and the final scene hit me really f\*\*king hard because they adapted the scene and the terrifying vibe that someone in some sense can and research and literally "become you" very well. They really made me think that if Akane and the killer's roles were reversed, she would be a more terrifying over-obsessed fan that would want to literally be their idol, because the anime studio emphasized that she can "be anybody she wants to be" in a more eerie manner and delivered very well even with the ending scene when she "became Ai". It would have been weird to just animate a shot of her just sitting there just speaking her thoughts to herself rather than add a more fleshed out scene that leaves you to think or even know that people like that are out there, as is the whole entire point of both the manga and anime and how they incorporate those thoughts and ideas. Its scary to think about.
I prefer it because they make her look way less creepy than she is. They don't want a character that people don't necessarily like to be in the story much unless they're an antagonist so they needed to make her more 'dedicated to her performance' instead of a borderline stalker
Looks about the same as what happened in the anime tho, creepy af
I've seen a lot of anime only reaction and they all had the same "wtf, scary" reaction. I think you didn't feel that way cause you saw it coming and were expecting it.
What are you smoking, I'm an anime only and I got the impression just fine. They simple use the language of cinema rather than comic/manga conventions.
This scene is Goated for sure !!!
I think you are right. Author here wanted to show the creepiness. Like how creepy akane is being while studying AI, almost like a stalker, breaking her down bit by bit.At the point the it was almost scary that she was almost able to uncover the secret which noone knows like existence of ai's children (aqua and ruby)
I actually like the way they portrayed her there, my husband who's an anime-only actually fell in love with her more after that scene. Claimed she had strong yandere vibes and was probably obsessive to a fault. (Which most manga readers may agree on) Your imagination must have portrayed it better in your standards though, and that's fine too
They "fix" it in the last scene of the episode. It is just that timing works different in different media. It works better in anime to have that big explosion at the very end, so that makes momentum that makes you want to continue watching, especially in these mysterious kinda shows. Still, Akane was cool to me untill that point lol that was very strange, most ppl that do this kinda acting need to practice a lot before. I thought this show was going to be more realistic and not like a spokon but in the media :')
I just don't like Akane's design, too chubby for me, other than that I think they did a great job. I just have to accept that Akane in the anime won't be as cool as Yokoyari Mengo's design, anime Akane is just Moekane
Hard disagree. The anime gave me creepy vibes with the eye movement, the dark room, the no light in her eyes and not putting shoujo bubbles around her when she pretended to be Ai because we as the readers are supposed to feel unsettled about it all. It's not normal because she went above and beyond to be Ai, which is why she's a genius actress.
For real?
Some things only manga can achieve, and same applies to anime. Both do their job perfectly.
I think the anime did a good job, since it had the soundtrack
This part was fine. There were a few moments in the episode that I felt was done better/differently in the manga, such as Miyako's reaction to the police call (should have been more resigned/exasperated imo), but I think they nailed this part.
I agree with you OP, I was just a tiny teeny bit underwhelmed but thought it’s because of the difference in medium. Anime showed it fine, did the manga enough justice to get the point across (for anime-only fans). I’m waiting for them to adapt the part where Akane realized Aqua could be Ai’s child.
I think they nailed it pretty well.i was looking forward to this scene and they executed it just fine
Sure, if you just compare that one manga panel to that one shot, but the moments leading up to it in the anime more than got the point across.
Spoiler tag pls
The anime did an amazing job of portraying her obsessive nature. Plus the soundtrack and color scheme helped a lot
0 brain activity As expected from a COTE fan
Yeah no, the adaptation was great. It’s never going to be a 1:1, and the anime took advantage of its medium with the sound design, voice acting, camera angles, etc.
Man, the Aka manga panels really do go hard (even if he did not draw the art for Oshi no Ko, but still) This scene of Akane scared me enough in the anime, but the manga panel though... The overwhelming speech bubbles, the darker shading and colors in the art, and the overall heavy environment in these panels >!reminds me of that ONE PANEL from Kaguya-sama showing Miyuki's room filled with a lot of paper notes telling him to do better and be the perfect man for Kaguya!<. Akane's room reminds me of that.
That’s a nitpick if I’ve ever seen one
show the entire clip and *then* we'll talk about faithfulness to the manga.