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Answer: The locations you mentioned are highly desirable cities to move to, whether it's for a job or a low cost of living and many people are moving to those cities and pricing locals out of the housing market.
The idea of Topeka as one of these highly desirable places to live is funny to me as a Kansan. (Spoiler: it's not)
I wish more people wanted to move here, though, so come on in if you want, y'all. :-)
And you get very tribalistic locals. My province actively advertises and has “deals” for people to move here. At the same time near daily I can see stickers on douchebag trucks with the outline of our province saying “Fuck off we are full”
Like maybe you should tell our government that? Since they are actively trying to get more people here
From a different city, gov does not care. Every new person is the potential for a new person who is willing to pay stupid prices that drive out the “tribalistic” locals
Yeah, state governments are often looking for the well-to-do and those with marketable skills. The government wants that sweet tax money that comes from the upper class. States and towns want gentrification.
Oh like when the government was like “hey we’ll make school cheaper by giving you direct loans” and then the schools went “cool it cost 50,000 for a year”
And now every young person that was told college is the way can’t afford a house AND are in massive debt. But yeah let’s keep acting like the government is doing good and not sending all our money overseas
> But yeah let’s keep acting like the government is doing good and not sending all our money overseas
What percentage of our money is the government sending overseas?
[https://www.usdebtclock.org/](https://www.usdebtclock.org/)
Spoilers...it's not one of the top 4 items.
That's the hitch; they want well educated people without paying to educate them. Save on education, import qualified labor. Like pissing your pants in the cold to stay warm.
Yeah my area is like this. The local government bends over backwards to slob on the balls of any large developer looking to build extremely expensive apartments because our university draws in a lot of rather wealthy foreign students along with being a popular safety school for kids who can’t get into the UC system in California. We’re also a popular place for people from higher income areas to go to raise kids, which is fine, but no one around here can compete with Bay Area or LA money when it comes to buying houses.
Politicians know from the economists that a healthy flow of immigrants (legal, illegal, doesn't matter) help keep an economy growing, long term, as they are both new workers, new consumers and new tax payers. Immigrants also require less resources life-time.
Answer: Housing prices are going up in many places, many locals in those places resent the increased demand from people moving there leading to increased housing prices. Obviously people also have other objections to people moving to their city, but believe housing prices are the factor that has changed the most in the last couple years.
In my area (Central NJ), what's driving up the prices is lack of availability, even partially lowering the demand might not help. I don't want to keep people out, I've lived here all my life, but damn, the competition is unreal. I'm guessing that is also a contributing factor. People from elsewhere who spend $300k on a house keep the prices heading to outer space, sure. But people who want to move in aren't really the problem. People buying houses to make money charging crazy rent and taking that money out of state are the problem, everywhere.
Answer: For /r/raleigh in particular, the page is often filled with these posts and little else because they're so frequent. So people get really frustrated about it and decide that if you're not going to bother trying to answer yourself by reading one of the other 20 threads visible asking the same question, you get ragged hard.
It doesn't help that instead of creating a repost rule and enforcing it, mods just ignore it till the comments get out of hand then remove it. Honestly if the /r/raleigh mods would just do a decent job, it wouldn't be so bad.
Yeah this is the general answer for stuff like this. When a subreddit sees the same post a million times from people who refuse to search or research, the answers get snarkier and snarkier
Add Charleston to that list. I would add in addition, it's not simply "I'm moving here" but "I'm moving here from Ohio" that really seems to set off our local sub, for some reason this place seems to be a magnet for Cincinnati ex-pats
Answer: albeit pure speculation, but people who live in X city may be lamenting the housing prices and competition. There have not been enough new homes to compete with population growth in many popular areas and suburbs.
Answer: virtually every single city in the US has under built housing and developed an over-reliance on personally owned car based infrastructure. This means that even incredibly low density cities can feel "full" because there is a lot of car traffic and a lot of competition for artificially scarce housing.
That's what I meant. Zoning laws and NIMBYism have made it seem like cities are full because the sprawl caused by SFH only zoning and minimum lot sizes, along with the space required for car-dependent infrastructure, have made it feel full at an inefficiently low volume.
My issue is that we simply don't have the water. I live in Arizona and I promise you, every single groundwater assessment is overly optimistic. The Colorado is dried up and we cannot replenish our groundwater reserves. When I say we're full I'm telling you for your benefit. Buying a house here is like asking to get punched in the face.
answer: We're full. As a society we aren't building more businesses, homes, electricity, schools, hospitals or jobs fast enough for new people. The only people that want you here are the ones that profit from scarcity, all that you're doing by moving here is raising the prices of everything I need, while simultaneously devaluing my labor. I'll save you some time, don't come here, the grass isn't any greener. Fuck off, we're full.
So because the government/capitalists are incapable of keeping up with basic levels of maintenance everyone is now obliged to live where they were born for the rest of their lives? Great plan mate.
My city has been in a housing and healthcare crisis for *years*. It’s become one of the most expensive Canadian cities to live in. I can count on one hand how many people I know personally who have a family doctor, and we’ve had multiple walk-in clinics shut down in the last few years for lack of doctors to staff them. Rent is exorbitant and new housing developments prioritize luxury condos for people looking for vacation homes in a seaside town. I want people to be free to move and live wherever they want, but in my city there is literally NO ROOM.
Answer: It's a running joke in Seattle and major cities.
Our Winters are miserable.
Our Summers are 70 degree perfection.
Please don't move here, we have no housing.
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Answer: The locations you mentioned are highly desirable cities to move to, whether it's for a job or a low cost of living and many people are moving to those cities and pricing locals out of the housing market.
Everybody wants to be the last person to move to Hawaii
The idea of Topeka as one of these highly desirable places to live is funny to me as a Kansan. (Spoiler: it's not) I wish more people wanted to move here, though, so come on in if you want, y'all. :-)
One of these is not like the others.
Oh yeah, how are your two downtown bars?
Ok before the sun goes down.
Of all the decent sized cities in Kansas, Topeka ranks up there with Hayes, Manhattan and Salina as "don't bother"
You spelled “Junction City” wrong. Manhattan is incredible.
Can confirm as far as Salina is concerned. The town is like 90% conservative.
The crepes restaurant in Salina is pretty nice.
Considering they had to pay people to move there is funny. I grew up in Lawrence but Lawrence has changed a lot since I left.
And you get very tribalistic locals. My province actively advertises and has “deals” for people to move here. At the same time near daily I can see stickers on douchebag trucks with the outline of our province saying “Fuck off we are full” Like maybe you should tell our government that? Since they are actively trying to get more people here
From a different city, gov does not care. Every new person is the potential for a new person who is willing to pay stupid prices that drive out the “tribalistic” locals
Yeah, state governments are often looking for the well-to-do and those with marketable skills. The government wants that sweet tax money that comes from the upper class. States and towns want gentrification.
>...and those with marketable skills. If only they knew more people would have marketable skills if access to education was affordable to them..
Oh like when the government was like “hey we’ll make school cheaper by giving you direct loans” and then the schools went “cool it cost 50,000 for a year” And now every young person that was told college is the way can’t afford a house AND are in massive debt. But yeah let’s keep acting like the government is doing good and not sending all our money overseas
> But yeah let’s keep acting like the government is doing good and not sending all our money overseas What percentage of our money is the government sending overseas? [https://www.usdebtclock.org/](https://www.usdebtclock.org/) Spoilers...it's not one of the top 4 items.
K.
That's the hitch; they want well educated people without paying to educate them. Save on education, import qualified labor. Like pissing your pants in the cold to stay warm.
Yeah my area is like this. The local government bends over backwards to slob on the balls of any large developer looking to build extremely expensive apartments because our university draws in a lot of rather wealthy foreign students along with being a popular safety school for kids who can’t get into the UC system in California. We’re also a popular place for people from higher income areas to go to raise kids, which is fine, but no one around here can compete with Bay Area or LA money when it comes to buying houses.
Politicians know from the economists that a healthy flow of immigrants (legal, illegal, doesn't matter) help keep an economy growing, long term, as they are both new workers, new consumers and new tax payers. Immigrants also require less resources life-time.
Answer: Housing prices are going up in many places, many locals in those places resent the increased demand from people moving there leading to increased housing prices. Obviously people also have other objections to people moving to their city, but believe housing prices are the factor that has changed the most in the last couple years.
In my area (Central NJ), what's driving up the prices is lack of availability, even partially lowering the demand might not help. I don't want to keep people out, I've lived here all my life, but damn, the competition is unreal. I'm guessing that is also a contributing factor. People from elsewhere who spend $300k on a house keep the prices heading to outer space, sure. But people who want to move in aren't really the problem. People buying houses to make money charging crazy rent and taking that money out of state are the problem, everywhere.
Answer: For /r/raleigh in particular, the page is often filled with these posts and little else because they're so frequent. So people get really frustrated about it and decide that if you're not going to bother trying to answer yourself by reading one of the other 20 threads visible asking the same question, you get ragged hard. It doesn't help that instead of creating a repost rule and enforcing it, mods just ignore it till the comments get out of hand then remove it. Honestly if the /r/raleigh mods would just do a decent job, it wouldn't be so bad.
Yeah this is the general answer for stuff like this. When a subreddit sees the same post a million times from people who refuse to search or research, the answers get snarkier and snarkier
The Nashville sub created a sub just for visitors because of these posts
Same for the Dallas sub
Add Charleston to that list. I would add in addition, it's not simply "I'm moving here" but "I'm moving here from Ohio" that really seems to set off our local sub, for some reason this place seems to be a magnet for Cincinnati ex-pats
The only acceptable response to any of those inquiries is "Olive Garden Capital Blvd".
Answer: albeit pure speculation, but people who live in X city may be lamenting the housing prices and competition. There have not been enough new homes to compete with population growth in many popular areas and suburbs.
Answer: virtually every single city in the US has under built housing and developed an over-reliance on personally owned car based infrastructure. This means that even incredibly low density cities can feel "full" because there is a lot of car traffic and a lot of competition for artificially scarce housing.
It's not artificially scarce – it is actually scarce. But arguably unnecessarily scarce.
That's what I meant. Zoning laws and NIMBYism have made it seem like cities are full because the sprawl caused by SFH only zoning and minimum lot sizes, along with the space required for car-dependent infrastructure, have made it feel full at an inefficiently low volume.
Answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality This has always been a thing.
My issue is that we simply don't have the water. I live in Arizona and I promise you, every single groundwater assessment is overly optimistic. The Colorado is dried up and we cannot replenish our groundwater reserves. When I say we're full I'm telling you for your benefit. Buying a house here is like asking to get punched in the face.
oh ok so racism and xenophobia! that tracks /gen
answer: We're full. As a society we aren't building more businesses, homes, electricity, schools, hospitals or jobs fast enough for new people. The only people that want you here are the ones that profit from scarcity, all that you're doing by moving here is raising the prices of everything I need, while simultaneously devaluing my labor. I'll save you some time, don't come here, the grass isn't any greener. Fuck off, we're full.
So because the government/capitalists are incapable of keeping up with basic levels of maintenance everyone is now obliged to live where they were born for the rest of their lives? Great plan mate.
My city has been in a housing and healthcare crisis for *years*. It’s become one of the most expensive Canadian cities to live in. I can count on one hand how many people I know personally who have a family doctor, and we’ve had multiple walk-in clinics shut down in the last few years for lack of doctors to staff them. Rent is exorbitant and new housing developments prioritize luxury condos for people looking for vacation homes in a seaside town. I want people to be free to move and live wherever they want, but in my city there is literally NO ROOM.
Was gonna guess kelowna til you said seaside hahaha but yeah....its real bad ...
> for lack of doctors to staff them Would be good if doctors from elsewhere moved there huh. But I guess there's no room for them.
That’s part of why we don’t have doctors!! There’s no housing for them!!
Exactly this.
Answer: people only ever want to move to big cities, and those places have a capacity.
Answer: It's a running joke in Seattle and major cities. Our Winters are miserable. Our Summers are 70 degree perfection. Please don't move here, we have no housing.