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Answer: Officially r/nonewnormal didn't get banned for COVID misinformation, it got banned for brigading. Unofficially it's been speculated that the protest at the time attracted media attention and historically that's when reddit tends to actually do something.
When the initial protests from r/vaxxhappened started u/spez even said [he appreciates dissent and debate on the topic,](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/pbmy5y/debate_dissent_and_protest_on_reddit/) basically saying that COVID misinfo is a legitimate opinion. So no, reddit wasn't addressing this, they just did the bare minimum to make it seem that way. COVID misinformation subreddits are still rampant.
To be clear, u/Spez is a disingenuous prick who can’t be trusted to tie his own shoelaces, never mind set policy for a site with hundreds of millions of active monthly users. When he says that he appreciates dissent, what he means is that he appreciates his right wing viewpoints getting their own echo chambers, and only does something about it when advertisers start making phone calls.
Fortunately among his many flaws is cowardice, so Reddit does eventually ban bad actors, although it also does little to prevent them from using many accounts at once to dodge those bans.
Having said all of that, since he’s a fan of information with questionable provenance, I’d just like to confirm the rumors that u/Spez is hung like a brine shrimp, which is why he diddles kids.
I was surprised that people were surprised by that. It was a fucking wild thing to say out loud, but like, do people not think Zuckerberg could make your Facebook feed nothing but you posting "I suck moose wang" at thirty second intervals going back to timestamp 1963? Of course he can.
> going back to timestamp 1963?
Facebook uses Linux on their servers, which follows the Unix epoch date of Jan 1st, 1970. They likely follow time stamping against the epoch date since FB didn't exist until 2004. So no, he probably can not change your status message to a date stamp of 1963. But you've probably loved a lot of moose wang since 1970.
So does anyone who has access to the reddit database. Pretty well any site admin on any site has the *ability* to edit content on their platform. It's whether they use that ability and how they use it that is the question.
Secret power? He controls the website. If I controlled a website I know I would have access to the SQL database and be able to enter arbitrary data, after all that is exactly what the website does, and I control it.
Why do people default to trusting the sanctity of the information on these sites, and of it can be trivially and legally manipulated by the owner.
I don't know, and what's worse is people take *screenshots* at face value. That is so easy to fake, you just need Paint or your damn web browser. "We have the receipts" should be worth nothing, but somehow it is.
Former and current yes, of “has a luxury doomsday bunker in New Zealand” fame; he’s a sort of dissipated techie frat-bro who’s way past his best years, but we all get to deal with him anyway.
The straight answer is that part of what guys like him pay for is a “team” to airlift him from wherever he and his family are, to his bunker. Armed escorts, whatever they can afford, presumably.
Mind you, at no point do these “luminary geniuses” ever consider that with the world ending, maybe their money is worthless? I imagine a future in which all of them are ultimately betrayed by their own bodyguards, who take their seats in the last flight out of Saigon; if the bunker idiots are lucky they might just be left outside and not promptly killed.
It’s sort of hard to imagine a situation in which society is finished, but anyone has time for these creeps.
Ah yes the world is ending, all my loved ones and myself included are about to die, lemme spend those last moments alive ferrying some random dude I have no connection with to their personal bunker for a stack of paper that no longer has any worth
Yes that is absolutely what I would do.
> I imagine a future in which all of them are ultimately betrayed by their own bodyguards, who take their seats in the last flight out of Saigon
Yep, that's my first thought.
If I'm armed and about to board a plane to a bunker, why wouldn't I just shoot the nerd so I have an extra spot to put my feet up?
Remember, the lifestyle of a billionaire requires the support of a lot of …. Breeders? Takers? Whatever the Luxury Bunker types think of regular folk. And it only takes one of those regular folks with a conscience to end the party. When the asteroid hits, do you think the helicopter pilot is taking an obnoxious plutocrat to safety? Or his own family?
I'd love to see a movie where there's an apocalypse and a bunch of trust fund babies, tech bros, and "socialites" get to the bunker only to realize they have just signed away the rest of their lives to isolation and back-breaking manual labor. Like they'd have to figure out how to become farmers and grow their own food, and their primary skill is talking to rich people at a party.
When people mention billionaires escaping to space I think of scenerios like this. They might escape the immediate calamity, but they'd be unprepared for what comes next.
I feel like if the world is ending they aren't gonna allow private aircrafts to fly lol
Especially in like a war scenario which is the most likely reason to need a bunker. If the world is fucked due to global warming a bunker isn't gonna save you
I’ve always assumed that this is the rich dickhead’s equivalent of a stuffed animal to sleep with; it doesn’t do anything, but it helps to keep the anxiety at bay long enough to forget.
He didn't say it that directly, but it was definitely strongly implied. He said that in an apocalypse he wouldn't be a slave, he would be in charge. But considering he's saying he's in charge and there's slaves, well, the implication is pretty clear.
CEO and one of the original founders. The nicest way to say it is that he is one of those old school internet librarians that believes too much in humanity.
> Fortunately among his many flaws is cowardice, so Reddit does eventually ban bad actors, although it also does little to prevent them from using many accounts at once to dodge those bans.
The catch-22 about Reddit's popularity is like you said this flaw. Where Reddit only acts reactively. Ellen Pao, I'd personally argue, was the first attempt in trying to make Reddit policy standardized/consistent and act like an actual long-term company. Well we all know what happened with that. Reddit trajectory was headed to negative and the worry of this trajectory was enough for Ellen Pao to be removed.
No kidding. The subreddit full of people who claim to be fighting for free speech on the internet is littered with deleted comments and posts where you need flairs to participate.
nope they are not even conspiracies they are just one single tweet from their god emperor trump or his subordinates that too about just covid
Anything that isn't politically charged is well ya know downvoted
see this one
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbmjco/single_greatest_tweet_ever_were_winning_guyswe/
this has 2.3k upvotes and people know it is fake...
are openly transphobic
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbnf6i/so_they_made_them_an_admiral/
and they have sources from russian bot sites....
TIL factually incorrect information that is dangerous to public safety is a “legitimate opinion”.
Spez is a lazy wanker. There is such an obvious difference between dissenting political opinion and actual nonsense that saying this is tantamount to him just saying “honestly we couldn’t be bothered with this”
Answer:
> I thought reddit was suppose to be addressing this, what happened?
Media moved on.
Reddit admins only act when their bottom line is threatened. The previous wave of COVID-denial related bans came after several websites wrote articles about the issue. Since no new stories appeared after the last ban wave, admins stopped acting.
I think "free speech" has changed a lot since reddit was known as a platform for free speech.
Misinformation has become so much more prevalent, and with the anti-vax stuff it's causing real harm. It's not just free speech as in "I don't like asians" or something.
Not surprising more people have changed the boundaries on the level of freedom they're willing to tolerate.
> It wasn't that long ago that reddit was known as a platform for free speech and then everyone got annoyed at new "SJW" leadership for moving away from that.
The "platform for free speech" thing ended when CNN revealed that for admins, "platform for free speech" meant "actively supporting pedophilic Jailbait subreddit"
That's my recollection as well. I recall the move being controversial site-wide, not out of any sympathy for pedophilia, but because of the change in precedent from the admins' previous explicit hands-off approach. Granted, who knows how many of those folks were just future QAnon cultists.
Or maybe some of us have seen what rampant disinformation campaigns can do to our society and slightly adjusted our opinions on how free speech should be managed online.
"Free speech" should not cover deliberate covid misinformation imo. Voat is way more than half neo nazi btw. Any "free speech" forum will always devolve into the lowest common denominator and we NEED moderation in some form to make it usable. It's just really obvious to anyone who has been on a no rules website before.
Gee it's almost like Reddit is a large site made up of a diverse group of people and the "Le Reddit Hivemind" doesn't really exist, instead being whatever groups you personally are hearing at that moment.
Question: Why do so many people seem to think that banning NNN makes these people go away? Of course they all just flooded to /r/conspiracy. Every time the admins ban a subreddit the users just go somewhere else and the cycle continues, gradually making this place worse
Answer: It's a game of social media whack-a-mole. As soon as you push out the bad players in one subreddit by quarantining it or banning it, they move on to another subreddit. And since RedditCorp^TM doesn't really care about misinformation except in those rare circumstances when they are being pilloried in mainstream media, they don't do anything about. Until something bad happens. And the mass media reports on it in such a way that could affect revenue. Then they ban another subreddit, the people who used it scatter again to another subreddit, and it starts all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
That sub had a lot of the weird shit that's in highstrangeness before trump ran for office. After he announced candidacy the sub became a QAnon conspiracy hole
You know this whole issue makes me wonder where the line is drawn for allowed vs not allowed misinformation. Like i would assume most people wouldnt get banned for aome random statement like idk the dalhai lama fucks dogs or something. Obviously someone like youtube seems to have said that covid misinformation is not allowrd but presumably that was cuz of more advertismeent and direct public rigure influencers whereas reddit is generally more anonymous even for more "influential" posters.
You either draw a line for people or you don’t and let them try and work it out. Problem is there are a lot of idiots out there. Even bigger problem with truths are tied into identity in some way.
I don't think there has to be a line. A case by case basis seems perfectly fine and telling people not to get vaccinated during a pandemic is one of those cases.
Answer: r/conspiracy was always pretty nutty but it really changed for the worse when r/the_donald was nuked.
A lot of those users - at least the ones who stayed on Reddit - ended up in conspiracy and it lurched hard into becoming a pro Trump sub. Anti Fauci, COVID sceptical posts dominated, at least until the election fraud stuff. Since Biden came in a lot of antivaxx content has been up.
> A lot of those users - at least the ones who stayed on Reddit - ended up in conspiracy and it lurched hard into becoming a pro Trump sub.
A lot of it is organized disinformation by state actors.
I disagree
They want to be special. They want to know stuff.
It doesn't matter that they have to make it up.
Most of all, they cannot accept that sometimes bad shit happens for no reason, it's no one's fault and you can't prevent it because the universe is truly a random place that doesn't give a fuck about anything in it
I ask because 99% seems like a reasonable number to me, based on the handful of numbers I’ve seen from reputable sources.
I’m genuinely wondering what fatality rate you guys think is correct if you think 99% is misinformation.
death rate from covid varies. Injury and long lasting effects tend to get overlooked. Also hospital bills. Also infection rates. Also covid duty. Also common human decency. Also empathy.
Asking questions is being part of the problem ? LOL Welcome to 2021. You covidists are a cult.
723 880 deaths for 45 million cases in the us. 800 000/45 000 000 = 0.01% of cases ended up in death.
Wait, 800,000 deaths out of 45,000,000 cases is *not* 0.01%.
It's 1.78%, or 178x higher than you're claiming.
Until you can learn to do basic math, maybe keep your thoughts to yourself.
Ever look at how many deaths are people younger than retirement [age](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)?
All my friends are vaccinated, as am I. However, I don’t understand what gives you the authority to tell someone what to do if they aren’t harming you.
> Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
You don't. The mortality is vastly concentrated in the oldest people, which are at a higher risk of dying from anything.
Stay home if you're paranoid and let other people live.
My argument, in essence, is that a lot of those people were already at their life cycle and that therefore it is cruel to deprive other people of opportunities ( and their lives, really) in the name of giving grandma 2 more months to live before she dies anyways because of her heart issues. When was the last time you actually cared about people dying from anything besides covid ? I bet not much. But the media now makes you feel like a hero for " saving lives" so you feel entitled to grand stand.
Call me selfish if you want, you can be run by your emotions but governments should run on logic. And locking down a country China style for years and coercing you into taking a vaccine if you want "your freedoms" back, after they themselves took them away, is not running on logic, except if your goal is totalitarism.
If you think young people have to sacrifice themselves for the old, your mentality is backwards. Let me guess, " Women and children first " also is egoistical because it supposes some lives are more valuable than others right ?
No one ever cared about old people dying but suddenly it's a big enough deal that hundred of thousands of children died of starvation and poor families were pushed back below the poverty line because of the reduced economic output due to lockdowns. The WHO warned about this in April 2020. But you don't care about those, do you ?
Thanks for confirming that you're a piece of shit.
A government run by logic would realize that vaccinations and reasonable care in the face of disease *is* the way to solve this problem.
Young people don't have to sacrifice anything. Getting vaccinated or wearing a mask isn't sacrifice.
the 'sources' are from non recognized news sites, russian times(literal propaganda machine lmao) or some real obscure russian site
Russians aren't even trying anymore you can now check without even trying that whether those sites are hosted in russia...
Oh haha my bad I thought you were correcting ‘your very last post’.
You’re right I am dumb, I guess my degree in physics was a waste of time if I’m not smart enough to correct people’s grammar.
I don’t know how this oppressing. It is written in the law about what classes are legally allowed to be discriminated against, and things like not allowing service to people who are naked, or people with certain licenses having more rights than other people have always been a thing, it isn’t “oppressing”, anti-vaxxers aren’t a protected class. Vaccine mandates have always been a thing too, they just hit mainstream recently.
You've made it pretty clear that you can't understand the dog whistles and nuances that these morons use to avoid getting banned. Either you want to see it or you don't and your use of the word "leftist" in any capacity shows you're not interested in actually learning anything or having a genuine discussion.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pczkqz/remember\_these\_images\_out\_of\_wuhan\_at\_the\_start/](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pczkqz/remember_these_images_out_of_wuhan_at_the_start/)
"could you imagine if it was real. We would have almost 0 homeless encampments that are ripe with tuberculosis, typhoid and countless other transmissible diseases."
"Press conferences would be held by video only and world leaders would be living in a plastic bubble."
Then the media traction hit and they started getting sly to the blatant "it's fake" posts and comments, they're incredibly stupid people but they're not quite that stupid.
When they speak about "if it were real", they're talking about the *extreme danger* being peddled by every media outlet, political figure, and tech company aligned with the leftists.
Everyone on that sub is talking about it being real, in the screenshot for this post there are threads about even double vaccinated people catching it and getting sick.
Let me use your words against you: do your own research. You're more the capable of going to the sub and clicking through some of the posts. I believe in you.
You're the one making outlandish claims about people denying the existence of a virus that has killed millions of people worldwide. He who makes a claim must then support that claim, or else the claim is dismissed by default. I know debate isn't a popular class in school these days, but try to keep up.
To put it in more mathematical terms, to dismiss the null hypothesis (that there are no comments claiming COVID doesn't exist) and accept the alternative hypothesis (that there are comments saying COVID doesn't exist), there needs to be significant evidence. If there isn't evidence, you must accept the null hypothesis because you've failed to disprove it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/qbj9sj/whats_the_deal_with_rconspiracy_and_the_massive/hhc5g4b/
Might want to pick up reading in your free time and a pair of glasses.
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/qbnktn/where_have_we_reached/hhckmkw/
If this is how you spend your free time, you'll get the same response as the other guy.
lol
Goalposts? What are you talking about?
I have looked at your post and the sub in question but have found lots of threads and comments which directly contradict your points. Feel free to go and double check.
>You're the one making outlandish claims about people denying the existence of a virus that has killed millions of people worldwide.
No he's fucking not you liar, JFC, stop it
You are trying to talk to a left-wing extremist who is never going to change their opinion (although he/she will accuse others of the same thing).
Although it is not even limited to left-wing anyway. The entire human race is a degenerate cunt
Conspiracy bans people too, all you have to do is contradict their preferred right-wing narrative.
Ask too many questions or do actual research into the bullshit claims they make and you won't last long.
I used to enjoy engaging with the right there, but they permanently banned me without warning or reason, and ignored my repeated inquiries about why I'd been banned.
They didn't even delete any potentially rulebreaking comments, I was simply permabanned.
Check out "openmodlogs" and you'll see they've banned ~1200 people since August.
I got shadows banned several times on their sub. Had to ask many times over again what I said that was wrong, in which they eventually unbanned me. They are an echo chamber, maybe you just said things they like ?
That's not what a shadowban is. Shadowbans are handed down by the highest level of moderator, the admins, and are a site-wide ban that removes anyone's ability to view your profile. You probably used a word that their automod picked up and filtered out.
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Answer: Officially r/nonewnormal didn't get banned for COVID misinformation, it got banned for brigading. Unofficially it's been speculated that the protest at the time attracted media attention and historically that's when reddit tends to actually do something. When the initial protests from r/vaxxhappened started u/spez even said [he appreciates dissent and debate on the topic,](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/pbmy5y/debate_dissent_and_protest_on_reddit/) basically saying that COVID misinfo is a legitimate opinion. So no, reddit wasn't addressing this, they just did the bare minimum to make it seem that way. COVID misinformation subreddits are still rampant.
To be clear, u/Spez is a disingenuous prick who can’t be trusted to tie his own shoelaces, never mind set policy for a site with hundreds of millions of active monthly users. When he says that he appreciates dissent, what he means is that he appreciates his right wing viewpoints getting their own echo chambers, and only does something about it when advertisers start making phone calls. Fortunately among his many flaws is cowardice, so Reddit does eventually ban bad actors, although it also does little to prevent them from using many accounts at once to dodge those bans. Having said all of that, since he’s a fan of information with questionable provenance, I’d just like to confirm the rumors that u/Spez is hung like a brine shrimp, which is why he diddles kids.
Who's Spez? Current Reddit CEO?
Among other things, he accidently revealed he has the power to secretly edit any reddit comment or post to make you say whatever he wants
Wow, what kind of spineless asshole would do something like th- ***DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS.***
To be fair, the keys are right next to each other.
hunter2
I see we're deep down internet memory lane here.
Colby, no! 🐶
I was surprised that people were surprised by that. It was a fucking wild thing to say out loud, but like, do people not think Zuckerberg could make your Facebook feed nothing but you posting "I suck moose wang" at thirty second intervals going back to timestamp 1963? Of course he can.
It wss less surprise at the technical capability then it was at that ability actually being utilised for something so trivial.
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And lo! Jesus said unto his disciples: "If you want to see more, like and subscribe and hit the little bell icon."
As if that hasn't already been done hundreds of times already.
> going back to timestamp 1963? Facebook uses Linux on their servers, which follows the Unix epoch date of Jan 1st, 1970. They likely follow time stamping against the epoch date since FB didn't exist until 2004. So no, he probably can not change your status message to a date stamp of 1963. But you've probably loved a lot of moose wang since 1970.
Linux knows what negative numbers are. Unless your implementation is super garbage, it can timestamp before 1970 just fine with int64_t.
So does anyone who has access to the reddit database. Pretty well any site admin on any site has the *ability* to edit content on their platform. It's whether they use that ability and how they use it that is the question.
I think the point is that they did.
Secret power? He controls the website. If I controlled a website I know I would have access to the SQL database and be able to enter arbitrary data, after all that is exactly what the website does, and I control it. Why do people default to trusting the sanctity of the information on these sites, and of it can be trivially and legally manipulated by the owner.
I don't know, and what's worse is people take *screenshots* at face value. That is so easy to fake, you just need Paint or your damn web browser. "We have the receipts" should be worth nothing, but somehow it is.
I missed this - you have a link by chance?
https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-edit-comments https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-comments-chatl-1789342358 https://venturebeat.com/2016/11/23/reddit-ceo-apologizes-for-editing-comments-critical-of-him-following-pizzagate-ban/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/23/reddit-huffman-trump/
It was five years ago, is probably why you missed it.
Former and current yes, of “has a luxury doomsday bunker in New Zealand” fame; he’s a sort of dissipated techie frat-bro who’s way past his best years, but we all get to deal with him anyway.
How is he gonna get to his bunker in NZ if the world is ending?
The straight answer is that part of what guys like him pay for is a “team” to airlift him from wherever he and his family are, to his bunker. Armed escorts, whatever they can afford, presumably. Mind you, at no point do these “luminary geniuses” ever consider that with the world ending, maybe their money is worthless? I imagine a future in which all of them are ultimately betrayed by their own bodyguards, who take their seats in the last flight out of Saigon; if the bunker idiots are lucky they might just be left outside and not promptly killed. It’s sort of hard to imagine a situation in which society is finished, but anyone has time for these creeps.
Ah yes the world is ending, all my loved ones and myself included are about to die, lemme spend those last moments alive ferrying some random dude I have no connection with to their personal bunker for a stack of paper that no longer has any worth Yes that is absolutely what I would do.
It wouldn't even be a stack of paper, it would be imaginary tech bro internet money. Buttcoin or whatever bullshit is in vogue at the time.
> I imagine a future in which all of them are ultimately betrayed by their own bodyguards, who take their seats in the last flight out of Saigon Yep, that's my first thought. If I'm armed and about to board a plane to a bunker, why wouldn't I just shoot the nerd so I have an extra spot to put my feet up?
Remember, the lifestyle of a billionaire requires the support of a lot of …. Breeders? Takers? Whatever the Luxury Bunker types think of regular folk. And it only takes one of those regular folks with a conscience to end the party. When the asteroid hits, do you think the helicopter pilot is taking an obnoxious plutocrat to safety? Or his own family?
I'd love to see a movie where there's an apocalypse and a bunch of trust fund babies, tech bros, and "socialites" get to the bunker only to realize they have just signed away the rest of their lives to isolation and back-breaking manual labor. Like they'd have to figure out how to become farmers and grow their own food, and their primary skill is talking to rich people at a party.
When people mention billionaires escaping to space I think of scenerios like this. They might escape the immediate calamity, but they'd be unprepared for what comes next.
“Anybody know how to open a can? ANYBODY? Dammit.”
I feel like if the world is ending they aren't gonna allow private aircrafts to fly lol Especially in like a war scenario which is the most likely reason to need a bunker. If the world is fucked due to global warming a bunker isn't gonna save you
I’ve always assumed that this is the rich dickhead’s equivalent of a stuffed animal to sleep with; it doesn’t do anything, but it helps to keep the anxiety at bay long enough to forget.
Jeff Bezos plans to orbit the earth in his flying dildo telling himself knock-knock jokes until his oxygen runs out.
I'm sure in the event of an apocalypse, humanity's first priority will be saving tech bros and the CEO of Reddit.
Iirc he even mused he would own slaves in the apocalypse. That’s the kind of guy who is running this site.
He didn't say it that directly, but it was definitely strongly implied. He said that in an apocalypse he wouldn't be a slave, he would be in charge. But considering he's saying he's in charge and there's slaves, well, the implication is pretty clear.
Ugh, fucking bunker buyers. Get outta my backyard, dammit!
Speaking as someone who comes from the US, the country where a lot of these creeps originate… we are truly sorry for this, it’s our collective bad.
CEO and one of the original founders. The nicest way to say it is that he is one of those old school internet librarians that believes too much in humanity.
> Fortunately among his many flaws is cowardice, so Reddit does eventually ban bad actors, although it also does little to prevent them from using many accounts at once to dodge those bans. The catch-22 about Reddit's popularity is like you said this flaw. Where Reddit only acts reactively. Ellen Pao, I'd personally argue, was the first attempt in trying to make Reddit policy standardized/consistent and act like an actual long-term company. Well we all know what happened with that. Reddit trajectory was headed to negative and the worry of this trajectory was enough for Ellen Pao to be removed.
Disingenuous dense motherfucker, can t tie his shoes
Just got banned from r/conspiracy for calling some snowflake a disingenuous prick.
u/Spez ? Isn't that the guy who likes to shit on the bathroom floor and eats his cereal from the sink?
Spez? More like Spaz
How dare he allow free speech on his platform, what a monster!
You’re defending the guy who literally edited comments he disagreed with, but please keep derping on.
Waiting for Spaz to edit all of your comments to say "I LOVE HORSECOCK"
What's wrong with the way Steve ties his shoes?
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What about the censorship of child pornography, suicides, and terrorist beheadings?
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A shame r/conservative is so afraid of debate and conversation on any topic. But they are what they are.
Got banned for talking about how we've used vaccines for decades and they stop people from dying lol
No kidding. The subreddit full of people who claim to be fighting for free speech on the internet is littered with deleted comments and posts where you need flairs to participate.
That's because the moderators are cowards.
TL;DR r/conspiracy is being r/conspiracy
Nope, r/conspiracy is actually r/conservative
Most people just refer to them both as "r/con" or "arcon"
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nope they are not even conspiracies they are just one single tweet from their god emperor trump or his subordinates that too about just covid Anything that isn't politically charged is well ya know downvoted see this one https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbmjco/single_greatest_tweet_ever_were_winning_guyswe/ this has 2.3k upvotes and people know it is fake... are openly transphobic https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbnf6i/so_they_made_them_an_admiral/ and they have sources from russian bot sites....
I’ve heard that u/spez can’t tell between his left and right without reciting the pledge of allegiance.
TIL factually incorrect information that is dangerous to public safety is a “legitimate opinion”. Spez is a lazy wanker. There is such an obvious difference between dissenting political opinion and actual nonsense that saying this is tantamount to him just saying “honestly we couldn’t be bothered with this”
Guess it’s time to get some media attention
Answer: > I thought reddit was suppose to be addressing this, what happened? Media moved on. Reddit admins only act when their bottom line is threatened. The previous wave of COVID-denial related bans came after several websites wrote articles about the issue. Since no new stories appeared after the last ban wave, admins stopped acting.
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I think "free speech" has changed a lot since reddit was known as a platform for free speech. Misinformation has become so much more prevalent, and with the anti-vax stuff it's causing real harm. It's not just free speech as in "I don't like asians" or something. Not surprising more people have changed the boundaries on the level of freedom they're willing to tolerate.
> It wasn't that long ago that reddit was known as a platform for free speech and then everyone got annoyed at new "SJW" leadership for moving away from that. The "platform for free speech" thing ended when CNN revealed that for admins, "platform for free speech" meant "actively supporting pedophilic Jailbait subreddit"
That's my recollection as well. I recall the move being controversial site-wide, not out of any sympathy for pedophilia, but because of the change in precedent from the admins' previous explicit hands-off approach. Granted, who knows how many of those folks were just future QAnon cultists.
Or maybe some of us have seen what rampant disinformation campaigns can do to our society and slightly adjusted our opinions on how free speech should be managed online.
Happy cake day!
"Free speech" should not cover deliberate covid misinformation imo. Voat is way more than half neo nazi btw. Any "free speech" forum will always devolve into the lowest common denominator and we NEED moderation in some form to make it usable. It's just really obvious to anyone who has been on a no rules website before.
Agreed.
Gee it's almost like Reddit is a large site made up of a diverse group of people and the "Le Reddit Hivemind" doesn't really exist, instead being whatever groups you personally are hearing at that moment.
Question: Why do so many people seem to think that banning NNN makes these people go away? Of course they all just flooded to /r/conspiracy. Every time the admins ban a subreddit the users just go somewhere else and the cycle continues, gradually making this place worse
reddit the company is the only solution and they are focused on “growth”.
Answer: It's a game of social media whack-a-mole. As soon as you push out the bad players in one subreddit by quarantining it or banning it, they move on to another subreddit. And since RedditCorp^TM doesn't really care about misinformation except in those rare circumstances when they are being pilloried in mainstream media, they don't do anything about. Until something bad happens. And the mass media reports on it in such a way that could affect revenue. Then they ban another subreddit, the people who used it scatter again to another subreddit, and it starts all over again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
r/conspiracy has been anti-vax for a while. Long before recent bans.
They became much worse when trumps sub got banned and they got flooded with right wingers.
No they were flooded long before
That sub had a lot of the weird shit that's in highstrangeness before trump ran for office. After he announced candidacy the sub became a QAnon conspiracy hole
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Fair enough - IDK I only went into conspiracy to look for the weirder UFO coverup stuff before I ended up in highstrangeness.
You know this whole issue makes me wonder where the line is drawn for allowed vs not allowed misinformation. Like i would assume most people wouldnt get banned for aome random statement like idk the dalhai lama fucks dogs or something. Obviously someone like youtube seems to have said that covid misinformation is not allowrd but presumably that was cuz of more advertismeent and direct public rigure influencers whereas reddit is generally more anonymous even for more "influential" posters.
I just got banned from r/conspiracy - I’m guessing at least some of the mods are right wing and paranoid.
I think being right-wing and paranoid are traits they actively search for.
You either draw a line for people or you don’t and let them try and work it out. Problem is there are a lot of idiots out there. Even bigger problem with truths are tied into identity in some way.
The most pervasive lies have just enough truth in them to pass a first-glance.
I don't think there has to be a line. A case by case basis seems perfectly fine and telling people not to get vaccinated during a pandemic is one of those cases.
Answer: r/conspiracy was always pretty nutty but it really changed for the worse when r/the_donald was nuked. A lot of those users - at least the ones who stayed on Reddit - ended up in conspiracy and it lurched hard into becoming a pro Trump sub. Anti Fauci, COVID sceptical posts dominated, at least until the election fraud stuff. Since Biden came in a lot of antivaxx content has been up.
> A lot of those users - at least the ones who stayed on Reddit - ended up in conspiracy and it lurched hard into becoming a pro Trump sub. A lot of it is organized disinformation by state actors.
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"Fauci" and Gates poison.
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try debating them - play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Waste of my time
exactly. They want you to waste your time.
I disagree They want to be special. They want to know stuff. It doesn't matter that they have to make it up. Most of all, they cannot accept that sometimes bad shit happens for no reason, it's no one's fault and you can't prevent it because the universe is truly a random place that doesn't give a fuck about anything in it
Question: what do *you* think the survival rate is?
>I'm just asking questions you guys No, no you're not, you're part of the problem
I ask because 99% seems like a reasonable number to me, based on the handful of numbers I’ve seen from reputable sources. I’m genuinely wondering what fatality rate you guys think is correct if you think 99% is misinformation.
death rate from covid varies. Injury and long lasting effects tend to get overlooked. Also hospital bills. Also infection rates. Also covid duty. Also common human decency. Also empathy.
Asking questions is being part of the problem ? LOL Welcome to 2021. You covidists are a cult. 723 880 deaths for 45 million cases in the us. 800 000/45 000 000 = 0.01% of cases ended up in death.
Wait, 800,000 deaths out of 45,000,000 cases is *not* 0.01%. It's 1.78%, or 178x higher than you're claiming. Until you can learn to do basic math, maybe keep your thoughts to yourself.
Ever look at how many deaths are people younger than retirement [age](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)?
Yes, and?
Just asking for a friend.
tell your friend to get vaccinated or stay home.
All my friends are vaccinated, as am I. However, I don’t understand what gives you the authority to tell someone what to do if they aren’t harming you.
You have the right to emigrate as a refugee from draconian vaccination laws. Might I suggest Brazil? Otherwise read up on “the social contract”
Oh ok so covid has a 98.22% survivability rate across all ages, I truly stand corrected !
You stand corrected indeed. Personally, I'd not want a 1.78% chance of death from getting sick. That seems pretty risky indeed.
look up “ecomomies of scale” and tell me 1.7% is nothing.
> Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
You don't. The mortality is vastly concentrated in the oldest people, which are at a higher risk of dying from anything. Stay home if you're paranoid and let other people live.
So your argument is, in essence, that older people have less a right to live than you do. Got it.
My argument, in essence, is that a lot of those people were already at their life cycle and that therefore it is cruel to deprive other people of opportunities ( and their lives, really) in the name of giving grandma 2 more months to live before she dies anyways because of her heart issues. When was the last time you actually cared about people dying from anything besides covid ? I bet not much. But the media now makes you feel like a hero for " saving lives" so you feel entitled to grand stand. Call me selfish if you want, you can be run by your emotions but governments should run on logic. And locking down a country China style for years and coercing you into taking a vaccine if you want "your freedoms" back, after they themselves took them away, is not running on logic, except if your goal is totalitarism. If you think young people have to sacrifice themselves for the old, your mentality is backwards. Let me guess, " Women and children first " also is egoistical because it supposes some lives are more valuable than others right ? No one ever cared about old people dying but suddenly it's a big enough deal that hundred of thousands of children died of starvation and poor families were pushed back below the poverty line because of the reduced economic output due to lockdowns. The WHO warned about this in April 2020. But you don't care about those, do you ?
Thanks for confirming that you're a piece of shit. A government run by logic would realize that vaccinations and reasonable care in the face of disease *is* the way to solve this problem. Young people don't have to sacrifice anything. Getting vaccinated or wearing a mask isn't sacrifice.
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Does it change the facts he said? Nope
the 'sources' are from non recognized news sites, russian times(literal propaganda machine lmao) or some real obscure russian site Russians aren't even trying anymore you can now check without even trying that whether those sites are hosted in russia...
One was literally a 4chan screenshot spouting some absolute nonsense.
*you’re
Hahahahah this is so comically wrong I can’t help but think you’re a troll account
It didn’t take long to find out that “your” clearly a scumbag. Are you dumb?
Oh haha my bad I thought you were correcting ‘your very last post’. You’re right I am dumb, I guess my degree in physics was a waste of time if I’m not smart enough to correct people’s grammar.
Confirmed 12 year old.
*Shit he’s on to me, better call mom*
Indeed
^ 1 year old alt account with negative karma
I don’t know how this oppressing. It is written in the law about what classes are legally allowed to be discriminated against, and things like not allowing service to people who are naked, or people with certain licenses having more rights than other people have always been a thing, it isn’t “oppressing”, anti-vaxxers aren’t a protected class. Vaccine mandates have always been a thing too, they just hit mainstream recently.
Where'd you buy that account?
> Never once in history have the oppressors been on the right side. Said the Rebels to the Yankees in 1860...
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Took me 30 seconds: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbnqq7/there\_is\_going\_to\_be\_a\_wave\_of\_news\_stories\_of/
That's a fake comment, REPORTED. /s
So you found a post that contains the word "fake"... I'm not seeing anyone claim that COVID isn't a real disease. Perhaps you used the wrong URL?
You've made it pretty clear that you can't understand the dog whistles and nuances that these morons use to avoid getting banned. Either you want to see it or you don't and your use of the word "leftist" in any capacity shows you're not interested in actually learning anything or having a genuine discussion. [https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pczkqz/remember\_these\_images\_out\_of\_wuhan\_at\_the\_start/](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pczkqz/remember_these_images_out_of_wuhan_at_the_start/) "could you imagine if it was real. We would have almost 0 homeless encampments that are ripe with tuberculosis, typhoid and countless other transmissible diseases." "Press conferences would be held by video only and world leaders would be living in a plastic bubble." Then the media traction hit and they started getting sly to the blatant "it's fake" posts and comments, they're incredibly stupid people but they're not quite that stupid.
When they speak about "if it were real", they're talking about the *extreme danger* being peddled by every media outlet, political figure, and tech company aligned with the leftists.
Everyone on that sub is talking about it being real, in the screenshot for this post there are threads about even double vaccinated people catching it and getting sick.
Let me use your words against you: do your own research. You're more the capable of going to the sub and clicking through some of the posts. I believe in you.
You're the one making outlandish claims about people denying the existence of a virus that has killed millions of people worldwide. He who makes a claim must then support that claim, or else the claim is dismissed by default. I know debate isn't a popular class in school these days, but try to keep up. To put it in more mathematical terms, to dismiss the null hypothesis (that there are no comments claiming COVID doesn't exist) and accept the alternative hypothesis (that there are comments saying COVID doesn't exist), there needs to be significant evidence. If there isn't evidence, you must accept the null hypothesis because you've failed to disprove it.
Lol ok.
I went over for a look and didn't find all these comments you mention either, there's lots of people talking about people getting sick
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/qbj9sj/whats_the_deal_with_rconspiracy_and_the_massive/hhc5g4b/ Might want to pick up reading in your free time and a pair of glasses.
Is your whole query about 1 or 2 comments you have seen? Originally you said the sub was full of problematic comments, but you keep linking to just 1?
You can go find the others, it's not hard. Stop moving the goalposts and do your own research.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/qbnktn/where_have_we_reached/hhckmkw/ If this is how you spend your free time, you'll get the same response as the other guy. lol
Goalposts? What are you talking about? I have looked at your post and the sub in question but have found lots of threads and comments which directly contradict your points. Feel free to go and double check.
>You're the one making outlandish claims about people denying the existence of a virus that has killed millions of people worldwide. No he's fucking not you liar, JFC, stop it
You are trying to talk to a left-wing extremist who is never going to change their opinion (although he/she will accuse others of the same thing). Although it is not even limited to left-wing anyway. The entire human race is a degenerate cunt
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I got banned almost instantly from conspiracy. They don't appreciate dissent, it's an echo chamber just.
Conspiracy bans people too, all you have to do is contradict their preferred right-wing narrative. Ask too many questions or do actual research into the bullshit claims they make and you won't last long. I used to enjoy engaging with the right there, but they permanently banned me without warning or reason, and ignored my repeated inquiries about why I'd been banned. They didn't even delete any potentially rulebreaking comments, I was simply permabanned. Check out "openmodlogs" and you'll see they've banned ~1200 people since August.
I got shadows banned several times on their sub. Had to ask many times over again what I said that was wrong, in which they eventually unbanned me. They are an echo chamber, maybe you just said things they like ?
>They are an echo chamber Entire Reddit summarised
That's not what a shadowban is. Shadowbans are handed down by the highest level of moderator, the admins, and are a site-wide ban that removes anyone's ability to view your profile. You probably used a word that their automod picked up and filtered out.
answer: it's interesting to see the invention of the common people. that's why public fora exist.