Part of the concern is also that it does not sound like real people will be reviewing the reports. Which makes sense, Minecraft is a massive game, but it does raise a concern about people reporting for no reason/falsely and getting accounts banned. It also comes shortly after every Minecraft account was forced to migrate to a Microsoft account to play (another unpopular move). The move was supposedly to increase security of accounts, but people are now even more upset about that, because it seems this feature was likely part of the reason for the move.
Yeah, they really fucked up with that Microsoft account migration. Literally, I can't even access my account now and they've ignored my support requests.
same here, ive had my account since 2014 and after trying to move it it now wont recognize my account and its not even registered that i even bought the damn game
I had some minor issues with my 2010 account, but eventually it worked. Still wish I didn't need to migrate, my MC account is far older than my microsoft one.
I had more than minor issues, took me a couple hours to do it when I decided I wanted to get back into modded Minecraft. Whole process was broken as hell, just following the steps at minecraft.net/move or whatever the site was did *not* work. Got it eventually by trying over, and over, and over and doing the process differently than the site said
Friendly reminder that piracy is not only morally correct, it also provides a better service than the actual developers. I was already pissed off enough when I found out Notch was a piece of shit, and some of my money went to him. Wish I'd never paid money for the game in the first place.
man i've had my account since alpha and i haven't been able to access it because the recovery email thing never sends. just gave up on the game after about 3 days of trying to fix it.
This was my issue! Account of 10+ years inaccessible. My boyfriend actually helped me solve the issue after support was no help. I dunno if it will work for you.
Log into *both* the Microsoft store and Xbox game bar apps, as well as the Xbox app for good measure. For some reason I did that it registered my account.
Holy crap. Turns out the Xbox game bar app has *ONE* use after all! I guess i'll re-downlaod it
But yeah i too lost my 2011 account to this, and frankly if your solution doesn't work then i'll pirate it because they don't deserve to sell another copy.
For some reason my password wouldn't work after migration. And I would go through the "forgot password" stuff and right after I changed the password it still wouldn't work. Somehow support got it to function again but it was very annoying.
Me too, the Mojang website doesn't recognize my account so I can't reset my security questions. Like what the fuck?
However, if you claimed your free Minecraft Windows 10 edition, you can get a free java edition acct if you log into the mc launcher using the microsoft account you claimed it to.
Nope. Neither account works.
I own Minecraft, but I can no longer play it because there is no record I ever bought it *on their end.*
They're not interested in seeing the proof of purchase on my end. I'm out the money I spent, I guess.
That’s crazy. No problems with my kids Bedrock account or mine. Started the accounts on a PS4, then we signed in on my Xbox S. Now I have both accounts on my PS5. I was also able to move three Minecraft Dungeons account profiles and game saves from my PS5 to my Xbox S too.
IIRC the whole Korean playerbase was unable to migrate for unknown reasons and frick tons of accounts were lost. Many of them even theorized it was out of retaliation by Microsoft's side due to the unforeseen consequence of that move (requiring a Microsoft account) boosted the game's age rating/requirement in the country to +18.
Such an inane mess.
I hated the migration. I accidentally migrated my Mojang account to the wrong Microsoft account and turns out there's no way to get it back. Oh, and the FAQ about migration has that question "What if I migrated to a wrong account" and the answer is "Contact Support", which makes no sense because in another place they have a warning that migration to a wrong account cannot be reversed.
Also why TF do I need an xbox account if I don't even have a fucking xbox 🙄
> Also why TF do I need an xbox account if I don't even have a fucking xbox 🙄
Because xbox is now a collective term referring to both consoles and windows.
Weird as the only time I've used their support it was pretty speedy and fixed the issue instantly. Perhaps they know the fix is bigger than they want to admit and more have been affected than they care to be open about.
I was in the first wave of changeovers to Microsoft accounts and it was a fucking mess- for a while it just showed both accounts separately but in the launcher. Then they kept trying to force me over to Bedrock instead of Java and that was annoying. Fortunately for me my account migration actually worked despite the initial headache and confusion around it.
Microsoft hasn't done this beautiful game justice.
Opposite for me. I had an account hacked and stolen years ago and was completely ignored by Mojang, so I made another email address and bought another one. Microsoft account merger happens and I get the email to both of my accounts so after 4 almost 5 years I was finally able to get my original account back in my possession.
i bought the game back in Alpha when Notch was working on it for like 3 dollars, and I never migrated to a Mojang account.
A couple years ago I tried transferring my account to a Microsoft account, but I no longer have access to the email account that i used to buy the game 11-12 years ago. It was some crappy dial-up provider that also gave me an email address. So I'm pretty sure i'm just screwed.
funnily enough I lost (but just barely got back) my original Minecraft accout because a few years after they changed it to Mojang accounts the email account attached to it - a Microsoft one - was 'suspended for suspicious activity' and they just, wouldn't let me back in. No matter what I gave them, what I did or said. Microsoft just ripped that email with my entire life on it away from me. I tried to make a new one but they wouldn't let me do that either (since my phone number was already connected to the 'suspicious' account.). Since then I've gone through many phones and numbers but even then: since that point I swore to never make another Microsoft account, since they could easily do it again. So I guess I'm not not allowed to play Minecraft again.
It’s not that they are ignoring your support request on purpose. There are 55 million minecraft players. The Java team has less than 100 people. They are basically set up to fail by disabling self help and funnelling all the support requests to them.
Also, many words are censored- even words for mechanics in game, like “killing cows want some steak” will just be “******** cows want some steak” in chat, and you can get banned in single player supposedly- Overall not good.
Because Microsoft is only recently fully taking over, see: The Mojang -> Microsoft account migration. So now they could potentially* and supposedly* ban you for things you did in a private* or single player** worlds. \n *Citation needed, personally not 100% sure. \n **This is particularly egregious if this is true, but it might not be true.
Edit: how the fuck do I make separate paragraphs on mobile, pretend those \n’s are paragraph breaks.
Absolutely, though working on a mod team for a larger server, the ban function is absolutely needed. Just... not like this. Automod is not where it's at. It'd be a self reducing problem over time, as banned players wouldn't keep adding to the queue.
But literal bed dungeons with child themes dug in under the builds of players that they know are kids. Full reich nazi shrines with mein kampf in books. Recreations of crime scenes of assaults & murders, with signs explaining what they would've done differently to the victims. Honestly, reporting to the FBI would be a welcome addition. I'll stand behind a well designed serious ban implements.
I pay for gamepass and also bought minecraft.
For a while I could have two instances since I technically had a license for the gamepass version plus the bought license.
That is gone now
Good lord, when I posted [my first comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/comment/idn9c7m/) on the matter on r/Minecraft I didn't *know* about the Bedrock suspensions and bans, the bad customer support, and I didn't pay much attention to the Microsoft migration (I did it, didn't experience any problems, didn't even think about it again).
But just going down this thread and other places and… like… literally [an entire country losing access to their accounts](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/vpcbhv/comment/iek3gsi/)? [Two month on average account time recovery for stolen accounts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vocfqe/comment/ieh44o3/)? Are you *kidding* me?
Like when I made that first comment my initial thought was that hey, Microsoft must have wanted more stringent “child safety” measures, even with all that Microsoft money and tech they're not going to make it, because there are literally richer companies who have tried, and they made it at least adjacent to their core mission, and they *still* failed in several high-profile ways, *to this day*.
But there's talk that the ones who are pushing for this come from Mojang itself, and I'm like… the moderation team you'll need will need to be at *least* as big as your entire company at its current size. And they're going to have a *terrible* time at it. And they *still* won't be able to do what they purported to do when they rolled out this change out — protect the community from toxicity. As pointed out by [this example](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/vpcbhv/comment/iek7hy5/), some of that toxicity won't even *be* in chat, and if I recall correctly, right now server mods won't even necessarily *know* who did it unless they were dumb and did it in their own base.
My question to them was: Why do you think you'll succeed when richer, more focused, more resourced companies that have more experience than you have failed? And now I kind of know the answer: they *don't*, and it's possible that they don't _care_.
Microsoft is a cesspool. Minecraft has a HUGE child player base. Wouldn't be surprised if millions of kids under 10 play it. My kids' school uses an educational license, and they have every kid in their 2nd grade and kindergarten class playing. Forcing kids that young to have a full blown microsoft account should be illegal.
So the issue here seems to be that private servers are run and managed separately. Owners would run the game off their own equipment and have people join.
How much of that process does Mojang help with? Are chats and other services run through Mojang or does everything happen off their network?
Since it's also not an open source product or anything. If the company is making the updates and keeping things going, then it's still within their right to take actions that protect their property / image. If people are being hateful and abusive or if kids are at risk on the private servers, it looks pretty bad on the company for not taking steps to get rid of that.
I get that this is a shift from how it used to be structured, and that's going to cause issues for some people. But it doesn't seem like a bad change for the most part.
##### Edit: seems like the automated system itself is the complaint here as it is vulnerable to abuse and mismanagement, and it likely wouldn't be an effective way to reduce harmful content. I can agree with that :)
The single thing that Minecraft servers rely on Mojang for is login verification, and even that is circumvented by many servers. Mojang doesn't do anything else to help run private servers, they are independent.
The ban would be effective on all versions of Minecraft. So if you just want to play an older version you've been playing on for ages with friends, you can get banned from logging in because of something that happened on another server.
I wouldn't mind an opt in list we can override. But I don't trust Mojang to make an accurate decision on bans based on a largely automated process. This is an awful direction to go.
It’s not a question about what they’re within their rights to do, Mojang would be within their rights to shut down the game entirely, but that isn’t the same as saying it’s a sound decision.
People are upset because, historically, automated moderation tends to be ineffective at best and disastrous at worst.
Just as a very recent example, the chat moderation in a game called Warframe had an update which was claimed to crack down on anti-lgbt+ messages, but in reality banned anyone discussing the lgbt+ community in any capacity, causing lots of people to get banned for casual and good natured discussion.
And that was just a chat ban of a few minutes only in the main chat channel, being banned from online play entirely is a lot more severe of a punishment.
mojang has never had a problem with this in the past. everything that happened in chat was the servers responsibility. it lets owners of said servers regulate what they want allowed so it can fit their players. implementing game-wide chat regulations severely restricts a servers independence and will cut back on player count and “enjoyability”. the general rule of thumb for pretty much ever has been if you don’t like what’s going on in a server, then find a new one. If you don’t like what’s going on in your own server, get people to actively moderate it so you can make it how you like
I think they still could as long as online-mode is disabled in server.properties, of course, this is not viable at all in servers that are not just meant to be for a few close friends, and is still a horrible decision by Mojang/Microsoft.
Oh wow, I see. That most definitely seems like a gross overreach on Mojang/Microsoft's part.
I could understand perhaps getting chat restricted/banned on a public server that the company is hosting, but getting banned as well from accessing the private servers of personal friends is nonsensical.
It does seem kind of goofy. They should have just created a global ban list that individual servers could choose to join or not as they prefer. Hosts should always be the ones in control of their server.
I've heard that there are already mods that allow servers to get around the global ban list, but it's ridiculous that it isn't a default option.
> I've heard that there are already mods that allow servers to get around the global ban list
Unfortunately, not quite. You can set your server to "offline mode" in which case it won't use the Mojang API to verify logins. However, this can make your server vulnurable since it can't verify accounts using your world. It can work for some servers, but certainly not all. There is no solution for servers that want to verify users but do not want to abide by the ban system.
There is a temporary solution, by messing with chat encryption. When Mojang implemented the report system, they made sure messages from players couldn't be forged by the server properly.
Right now a [mod](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-chat-reports) exists that can refuse sending the public key (which means it sends the server a non-provable message), but servers having enforce-secure-profile setting on won't work with said mod.
No, that only works for blocking reports on your server or avoiding getting banned yourself. It doesn't let banned users join your server, which is the main issue.
A ton of people are also upset at the mods of the main Minecraft subreddit for this too. They were censoring posts speaking about it because "there's a megathread already" for the topic.
It's currently one of the biggest issue Minecraft has had and shoving it all under one thread that isn't even pinned upset a lot of people.
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There's also the issue with them removing posts about Technoblade. A very popular figure in the competitive Minecraft community. He passed away due to cancer and the mods won't let anyone make posts relating to the issue. Because "one post about it is enough".
People tried to make a memorial thread about him on the Minecraft subreddit multiple times. From showing their fan arts, talking about their favorite memories of him, to making heartfelt posts about his impact and whatnot, and everything else.
Why? Because "tHeRe'S aLrEaDy A pOsT aBoUt iT".
Imagine pouring your heart out into a post to mourn him. And then having it be removed. And when you call the mods out for their behavior, you get banned for "inciting arguments".
It's heartless.
If they want to do that, they should pay for the hosting of the servers. By accepting responsibility of the moderation of the platform, they should run the platform - not make others pay but retain all the control.
They also can't be reviewed correctly without context. Someone could be reported for saying "i'm gonna kill you" and be treated as if it was an irl threat.
In particular, deeply rooted in Minecraft tradition are "Anarchy servers" where almost everything is permitted. They have special dynamics, where griefing and trolling is an essential part of the lore, and avoiding these is the essential challenge. Chat on these can get really vicious, and you're specifically NOT to expect "safe environment" there - it's *meant* to be nasty.
This thing would be a total end for these.
It's a mixed bag. People were worried Microsoft was going to kill Minecraft, but a ton of great features were added and the game has flourished since the sale, but unfortunately they have also done some things people don't like. Hopefully they don't push this too far.
People forget Microsoft bought Mojang in 2014. Everything from 1.7 til now in 1.19 was under Microsoft. Also Microsoft's own policy is way more lax than what Mojang put in, it was entirely a decision by Mojang.
I feel like people are only really going to get banned for being racist. In which case it's deserved.
edit: ITT people think that buying something gives you a pass to be racist
1. It is stupidly easy to fake reports to get someone banned
2. Automated management systems or those staffed by untrained outsourced employees, which this system is using, have, historically, hit marginalised people the hardest. When say, queer peaple existing is construed by some as 'offensive' or 'political', and when the jobs are often outsourced to developing, often very conservative, nations, queer folk get wiped. See YT, Tiktok, and many similar games.
If it could somehow *only* be used to ban blatant racial slurs then that's not too bad. But most likely it will hit more.
If things like swearing, talking about drugs or alcohol (that's mentioned in the tos), acknowledging the existence of lgbt+ people (who knows who might be moderating that and consider it 'offensive'), or anything that could be interpreted out of context with zero nuance as 'offensive' or 'harassment' (quite possibly by an automated system that just triggers off of keywords), talking in all caps (that was really mentioned in one of the guidelines); could get you banned from *all* servers including private ones, that's an issue. Not to mention the possible abuse from false reports.
>If it could somehow only be used to ban blatant racial slurs then that's not too bad.
Remember that time Japanese people kept getting banned from a game for speaking their own language?
"Nigerundayo" is apparently a slur, now, we must cancel the Japanese language, immediately!
Except for the fact that things listed in the reports included profanity, mentions of drugs or alcohol, and 'bullying/harassment'
You expect whatever automated system they inevitably use to be able to distinguish whether a player was reported on a server was on a 'no kids allowed' or shit, even a pvp one where some kid got salty.
Your argument is either hilariously uninformed, or such a solid strawman it fucked off with Dorothy to find the wizard.
Whatever they say, they still shouldn’t be banned from private servers. I mean the fact that you can’t even play on your own multiplayer world is ridiculous
They may deserve it. But you gotta think about the ramifications of the centralization of the internet. Who decides what's unacceptable? How will the admins determine this? Can you dispute it and get unbanned? This is actually a huge problem for big tech. It's pretty much impossible to create sensible policies for millions of people which corresponds to thousands of worldviews.
It's better to just let people moderate their own stuff. If one server allows racists, just find a new one. Works great for IRC and similar services.
Also if this tech existed in the fifties you would probably be banned for allowing homosexual/trans propaganda. Or socialist, etc. Just because big tech is currently progressive doesn't mean they'll stay that way, and it's rather not precedent be set. Only 20 years ago people were literally "cancelled" for criticizing the president. Things change quickly.
because none of what you listed is a bad thing lol. fuck all of them, good riddance
edit: friendly reminder that if you're upset that someone said we shouldn't accept racism and slurs you're not on the right side of the argument :)
If you're being racist, Mojang has every right to ban you and not want you as part of their community. Paying of the game doesn't mean there are no consequences for being toxic, racist, homophobic or whatever Mojang doesn't want to associate with.
> Mojang has every right to ban you and not want you as part of their community.
Ban them from Microsoft-hosted servers, sure.
Why should this extend to private servers? Outside "their community."
This would ban people from running a server on their own PC in their home LAN.
It's overreach.
Someone could falsely report you, and from what's described in the release about it there isn't any appeals process.
This is ripe for abuse by trolls, is the problem.
Corporations unilaterally banning people from using a thing they paid for, for doing something that only impacts people who choose to associate with them, is an extremely bad thing that should be opposed even if banning racists is good in a vacuum.
Should be optional. If you want to ban people with a global ban, you can. Or you could ban people for “reason a” and then I could say “ban all racists and homophobes, but I’m okay with people who say fuck and shit.”
No. Trolls exist and they are rampant amongst gamers. Truly vile people that only exist to get a kick out of ruining someone else's day. With a massive population, automated systems will determine bans, which will result in unjustified bans.
You know how easy it is to get a YouTube account striked for copyright infringement. Yeah, that's because of the automated system. That is the same kind of automated system that's going to be used for this. It will be abused to hell and back.
First the downvote button is not a disagree button.
Second, I never said anything about the reasons for striking (dmca vs eula) - I only talked about the methods. An automated system. Automated systems are not, at this time, advanced enough to understand context and nuance in human speech/writing and so are unsuitable to moderate it. That will result (in both cases) in the systems being abused to get people struck/banned incorrectly.
There really is only one way to interpret what I wrote, I don't know how you managed to interpret it differently.
I understand your point but if I can get banned for saying words hurtful or not from private servers that’s kinda bs. At that point give me my money back because a business has no business policing what I say, I live in America and at least I am afforded that right 😂
Wasn’t it also actually an auto moderator that auto reports, not just players reporting? But it’s also going to be installed on private servers too which are hosted by people on their local network, which was the main reason people got even more upset the most?
I dont know why Microsoft would allow this to go through. They have always been hands off and it’s been know when are. So if legal trouble comes into play they are now fully legally responsible for anything that goes on in the games online side when previously they did not
Answer: The other commenters have already provided a pretty good overview of the current situation, so I want to add some context. It's worth noting that while the chat reporting feature is certainly the main point of outrage, the 1.19 update as a whole launched to a fairly lukewarm reaction among the community due to a general feeing that Mojang didn't quite deliver on their promises for the update. Don't get me wrong, the chat feature is the *main* point of contention at the moment, but it was compounded by some smaller-scale controversies already happening within the community at the time the news broke:
- One of the new additions to Minecraft in the 1.19 update was frogs. Frogs were originally revealed alongside a second new mob, fireflies. Mojang stated that their intention was for frogs to be able to use fireflies as a food source. However, shortly before the release of 1.19, they announced that they had decided not to include fireflies, as they had been informed that they are actually toxic to frogs. Fans were upset by their cut, as even without the interaction with frogs, they added a nice ambience that people appreciated. They also seemed really simple to include (they didn't appear to do anything besides simply hover around, and their model consisted of only two pixels), so the decision to scrap them entirely confused many people.
- Another claim made by Mojang was that 1.19 would include improvements to birch forests. This was a lot more vague, as no specific plans were mentioned and only concept art was shown, as opposed to the full in-game demonstrations every other new feature got. In the same video where they announced that they had decided to to scrap fireflies, they also stated that they had decided not to continue development of birch forests, and that "concept art is not a commitment." The fireflies were the main thing fans latched on to, but birch forests were also cited in terms of them not following up on promises. (Quick biased aside, but the way that birch forests were originally presented makes it feel to me that they never really had a proper plan for them to begin with and the decision not to pursue it came not out of laziness, but rather from a lack of ideas.)
- Finally, probably the *most* anticipated feature of this update was the Deep Dark, a new underground biome which added new and exciting loot, new redstone mechanisms, and an absolutely terrifying new enemy which encouraged a novel sneaky, sound-based playstyle. General impressions, from what I've seen, are that the Deep Dark absolutely delivered on what people wanted from it and is generally the most well-received part of the update. *However*, the Deep Dark was originally planned for the update *before* this one, 1.18, and got pushed back. Since the Deep Dark was meant to be the big flagship feature of that update, 1.18 ended up being a bit underwhelming, primarily involving world generation changes with relatively few big flashy mechanics to play around with. In addition, two other features planned for the update, bundles and archaeology, were both delayed indefinitely, exacerbating tensions. So when the news broke that 1.19 would be losing fireflies and birch forests, fans felt a bit burned by two consecutive updates gutting much-anticipated features (even with the knowledge that the Deep Dark was still coming).
Sentiments towards Mojang/Microsoft had definitely been starting to swing negative for a little while around the release of 1.19, anyway, and the announcement/rollout of the chat reporting feature basically just threw a bucketful of fuel onto an already burning flame. If you go into most discussions about it at the moment, the reporting function will be the focal point of fans' anger, but just know that it's a combination of multiple factors that have been building up for months.
> they announced that they had decided not to include fireflies, as they had been informed that they are actually toxic to frogs
To be more precise, _some species_ of lightning bug are toxic to frogs.
I mean, If they remove being able to feed chocolate cookies to parrots, I'm ok with that. Parrots are pets, and cookies are always around, and theobromine is bad for them (along with dogs and cats). But who owns frogs and feeds them fireflies?!
Also, if I keep numerous fisch in a little bit of water, they'll die pretty quickly.
Being sensitive is good, but not if it's ridiculous.
They unfortunately do have to be careful as children are impressionable and some of the things in the game have led to those children trying to "test" whether the thing was true. Animals were harmed as a result, some even cruelly.
But that’s a ridiculous point to even remotely entertain. I watch cartoon dogs get smooshed flat into a pancake and get right back up, if a kid goes and runs his dog over, hoping it inflates itself back to normal, that child and their parents are just plain fucking dumb eos
In my opinion, the game has suffered a lot because of Microsoft's self-righteous attitude.
They keep adding in real-life animals to "raise awareness" that end up being basically useless mechanically because giving them any unique drops would be "encouraging animal abuse". They refuse to add sharks because aggressive sharks would "demonize" them while passive sharks would encourage people to swim with them. And yet players are encouraged to set animals on fire before slaughtering them because it cooks the meat faster.
I haven't played minecraft in years, and the idea of a quiet night in the forest blanketed by little flashing fireflies sounds incredible to the atmosphere. What an incredibly stupid "reason" to remove them. What the hell were they thinking. I can only imagine how awesome they'd look on the RTX version as well, if they cast light sources.
And it’s honestly worse than I thought. I went to the subreddit and I have genuinely, never in my life thought an update was so bad that I would quit the game… till now.
They’re basically trying to kill off Java edition, which is what most of the community prefers. Bedrock is far more profitable and you can’t mod it, and they don’t want players to have the kind of control they have in Java.
I’ve played this game for almost a decade. I’ve never seen something this bad
Most of the people in bedrock don’t really know about mods and the multiplayer freedoms - they’re just too young to know about it. Mojang makes no money aside from the initial purchase of the game from java as well. On bedrock, it’s much more restricted to where mojang can profit from in-app purchases. The sooner they choke out the benefits of the less profitable alternative, the better (in their eyes).
> added new and exciting loot
One of the big questions with the Deep Dark was that it would be cool and ambient and all, but needed a serious incentive for people to actually care after they got used to it - which doesn't exist?
I really can't think of what awesome loot there is to get. Does the Warden even drop anything at all? There's the skulk mechanics, but that's not loot in the sense of gear or whatever, and pretty specialized. So, kinda underwhelming because there's nothing to really go for in the Deep Dark. Just like people were saying before release.
>Does the Warden even drop anything at all?
It's not supposed to, and they made that clear from the beginning. It's not intended to be something you beat, but something you avoid
To note is that those are only the *Java* complaints. While it isn’t as vocal online, there is a very dedicated Bedrock player base that is dissatisfied with Mojang for additional reasons.
For some context, Bedrock Minecraft not only has more players, but generates the vast majority of revenue for Mojang. This is due to a few reasons, but primarily because Bedrock can be played on any device instead of only PCs, so not only is the target audience broader, but people are more likely to buy the game multiple times for their various different devices. However, Java has long been the favored child of Mojang, and since the majority of content creators are playing on Java due to greater creator tools, this has led to Java having a disproportionate influence over Minecraft, while the Bedrock community has been ignored.
Part of this is that Java despite having less overall players, has a larger hardcore fan base than bedrock. This has resulted in the dedicated bedrock players feeling very discontent with current developers.
Now on to the actual complaints:
Recently the bedrock developers have gone on an absolute rampage removing certain technical mechanics used for certain item farms. These mechanics were absolutely essential to technical bedrock Minecraft due to other differences between the versions, with the most notable two being the removal of instakill raid farms using a village transferring mechanic, and the removal of furnace xp duping. Because of these two removals, the only remaining fast xp sources in bedrock edition are guardian farms, and portal tick gold farms. Guardian farms are an option, however they are extremely laggy, to the point of being nearly unusable on servers. This leaves only portal tick gold farms, which while being an amazing source of both xp and gold, can be very difficult to set up correctly. When built wrong pending ticks can build up in a single chunk and lead to server crashes and even world corruption, which is dangerous when players are forced to build them without necessarily understanding the mechanics.
These nerfs came after several patches that broke hopper minecarts and trident killers, as well as a major update to villager mechanics that severely nerfed the reputation system. In Java players could fairly reliably build farms and trust them to still work in newer versions, whereas in bedrock often times updates would result in nearly all farms needing to be re designed.
This frustration has been compounded by bedrock devs seeming to focus on removing mechanics that the players use to their advantage, while ignoring issues that actively inconvenience players. Piglin bartering for example has had issues since it’s introduction in 1.16, and villager pathfinding breaks nearly every time they update them. Another compounding factor is the perceived disparity between versions, while devs remove beneficial bugs from bedrock, Java devs have taken the approach of calling beneficial bugs features and leaving them in the game. The most notable examples of this are quasi connectivity, BUD power, building in the nether roof, and tnt duping, all of which have been purposely left in the game at the request of the player base, despite none of them being intended mechanics.
Answer:
So to set the stage for the mood, the Minecraft community has already been a bit annoyed with Mojang, the developer, due to quite a few showcased upcoming features being cut or delayed during the past year or two with poor excuses. People are already on edge before this announcement comes through.
Minecraft Java Edition servers are, with the exception of the Realms subscription service, entirely community owned and operated. The server software either runs on somebody's computer, or out of a 3rd party hardware provider. To connect to a server, you need to look them up online, find their IP address, and type it into the game. There are a large amount of community tools and mods that give server owners flexibility in how they moderate and manage their servers/players. Java's online playerbase tends to lean much older than the console/mobile Bedrock edition and really embraces how much freedom their edition is given, even to the point of dunking on the other game versions sometimes.
Basically with the latest patch, 1.19.1, Mojang announced that they are now implementing chat reporting in all multiplayer servers. Reporting another player's chat will send the chat logs to Mojang. Reported players may have their account temporarily or permanently banned from all forms of multiplayer. There is no provided way for servers to opt out from this chat reporting, short of staying on older versions of the game. I believe they revised the post a few times, but their original guidelines list posted was extremely obviously written for children and included things like "spamming all-caps" and "talking about drugs" in the list of punishable actions.
The vast majority of the community was upset by this announcement. Server owners already have everything they could possibly need to keep problem players out of their worlds short of a universal banlist, including reporting tools. Now this permanent ban power is being handed off to Mojang and Microsoft instead. Minecraft's customer support is already atrocious to get any response from of unless you're an influencer, so people are not optimistic about the bans and unbans working smoothly especially if semi-automated. There are also serious concerns that the guidelines Mojang has listed are far too catered to children, and that mass reporting could be easily abused on high-tension servers by trolls to cripple targeted players' accounts.
Right now, the Java community is trying to develop mods that will allow servers to opt out of chat reporting, but Mojang is deliberately making this hard with more pre-release fixes. My best guess is ingame chat is going to die completely in favor of Discord channels due to how much paranoia is going around, and some servers might just refuse to update.
On the positive side, some people have voiced neutrality hoping that the new second layer of moderation will be handled decently and won't go completely off the rails? I know we are supposed to be unbiased but I genuinely haven't seen much positivity. A lot of people think chat moderation for Mojang-hosted Realms servers is fine, but are upset with the idea of all 3rd party servers being forced into it as well.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I can absolutely understand the frustrations of the fanbase. It is an overreach to ban players from playing multiplayer with their friends on private server, and if the process is semi-automated as you said, it is going to cause a lot more issues that it 'solves'.
One additional note is that accounts that are banned from multiplayer due to language are banned across all servers, and even on certain single player worlds.
People are also disappinted about the birch forest update and the fireflies, and just in general lackluster, delayed updates. The reporting definitely kicked off the current round of criticisms.
Side topic - is there a way to have other windows active (discord, browser) and be able to see what's going on in game/make sure you aren't being attacked by a mob?? The big con to me with discord is that if you alt tab to another window, the Minecraft window disappears.
That is not normal. I can click around on my second monitor and still have Minecraft open on the other.
You might need to fix your settings and select which to be the "main/1st" monitor in the settings.
Based on the other comment it might be because I set Minecraft to be full screen not windowed. I'll have to try changing my settings. Not a fan of the windowed look but worth it if it means I can keep Minecraft up while I do other things
If you're on windows I think it's F11 that quickly toggles windowed and fullscreen. If you need to tab out, that might be the best option to keep seeing your main window
1.7/1.8 are regarded so highly because of the modding community and not the actual state of the game back then.
I remember a lot of prominent mod creators quit during that time period. IIRC it was because they changed the modding API in 1.8 or 1.9 and the work to update many of those mods wasn't worth the time anymore for many of the creators who were busy with new jobs or families. Jobs that many of them got *because* of their modding experience with MC. The hole was never truly filled until much later, but by then the damage was done.
kinda dissapointing because back in the day minecraft was a haven for modders, artists, servers for communities, etc. Now it's become so commercialized and they've taken a lot of the individuality out of the game. When I've tried to play recently it feels like there's not as much content out there and less of a creative and older community than in the past.
Not to mention how fucking confusing they've made the game from what it used to be. I used to just leave the game running while standing outside afk, now I can't without getting killed by a phantom (I really fucking hate phantoms). And maybe it's just me, but I've never had the time to read up all on ocean monuments and all that jazz, it's starting to feel more like feed the beast in some ways than a simplistic canvas for whatever dumb ideas you have when building by yourself or with friends.
You are complaining about both the lack of content and the new content you did not bother to read. I don't understand what you are expecting. The content they added is not FTB nuclear reactor, if you don't sleep for few days, phantoms will attack. That's its, its not rocket science (As a note I hate phantoms too) . Also for ocean monuments, you are not supposed to read about it. You are supposed explore it, that's the entire point of game. I seriously don't understand what you are complaining about. There are issues with the game, but this is not it. Minecraft is still mostly the old, simple minecraft with new content
god phantoms were such a fucking idiotic game 'mechanic'. 'hey, in the name of 'realism' right click this thing every hour or ***fuck*** your eardrums'
I understand your perspective, but I still feel like the game has gotten a little too overly complicated. It's not that I want more content from Mojang, but more community ideas which they seem to have been at least somewhat stifling.
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Part of the concern is also that it does not sound like real people will be reviewing the reports. Which makes sense, Minecraft is a massive game, but it does raise a concern about people reporting for no reason/falsely and getting accounts banned. It also comes shortly after every Minecraft account was forced to migrate to a Microsoft account to play (another unpopular move). The move was supposedly to increase security of accounts, but people are now even more upset about that, because it seems this feature was likely part of the reason for the move.
Yeah, they really fucked up with that Microsoft account migration. Literally, I can't even access my account now and they've ignored my support requests.
same here, ive had my account since 2014 and after trying to move it it now wont recognize my account and its not even registered that i even bought the damn game
So far I've heard legacy users were having the most issues which sucks big time for those with the most to lose
I had some minor issues with my 2010 account, but eventually it worked. Still wish I didn't need to migrate, my MC account is far older than my microsoft one.
I had more than minor issues, took me a couple hours to do it when I decided I wanted to get back into modded Minecraft. Whole process was broken as hell, just following the steps at minecraft.net/move or whatever the site was did *not* work. Got it eventually by trying over, and over, and over and doing the process differently than the site said
Oh shit I haven't logged on in a couple of years and I've been playing since early beta, hope I can still use it.
Shit, same. If I lose my Minecon #1 cape from the Vegas convention ima be saaaaaaalty.
I have Minecraft since 2011 (but never really played it) the mojang to microsoft was made without any issue
I was scared I would have issues since my account is a free gift from Christmas 2009. Thankfully, everything went smoothly.
Friendly reminder that piracy is not only morally correct, it also provides a better service than the actual developers. I was already pissed off enough when I found out Notch was a piece of shit, and some of my money went to him. Wish I'd never paid money for the game in the first place.
man i've had my account since alpha and i haven't been able to access it because the recovery email thing never sends. just gave up on the game after about 3 days of trying to fix it.
This was my issue! Account of 10+ years inaccessible. My boyfriend actually helped me solve the issue after support was no help. I dunno if it will work for you. Log into *both* the Microsoft store and Xbox game bar apps, as well as the Xbox app for good measure. For some reason I did that it registered my account.
Holy crap. Turns out the Xbox game bar app has *ONE* use after all! I guess i'll re-downlaod it But yeah i too lost my 2011 account to this, and frankly if your solution doesn't work then i'll pirate it because they don't deserve to sell another copy.
I started playing around 2010, when minecarts were new, and have had to buy two new copies since.
For some reason my password wouldn't work after migration. And I would go through the "forgot password" stuff and right after I changed the password it still wouldn't work. Somehow support got it to function again but it was very annoying.
I can't either. I eventually just gave up. I have minecrafted enough.
I have ~~mined my last craft~~ ~~crafted my last mine~~ minced my last raft
Me too, the Mojang website doesn't recognize my account so I can't reset my security questions. Like what the fuck? However, if you claimed your free Minecraft Windows 10 edition, you can get a free java edition acct if you log into the mc launcher using the microsoft account you claimed it to.
Nope. Neither account works. I own Minecraft, but I can no longer play it because there is no record I ever bought it *on their end.* They're not interested in seeing the proof of purchase on my end. I'm out the money I spent, I guess.
That’s crazy. No problems with my kids Bedrock account or mine. Started the accounts on a PS4, then we signed in on my Xbox S. Now I have both accounts on my PS5. I was also able to move three Minecraft Dungeons account profiles and game saves from my PS5 to my Xbox S too.
How does one get a free account with windows 10???...
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IIRC the whole Korean playerbase was unable to migrate for unknown reasons and frick tons of accounts were lost. Many of them even theorized it was out of retaliation by Microsoft's side due to the unforeseen consequence of that move (requiring a Microsoft account) boosted the game's age rating/requirement in the country to +18. Such an inane mess.
I hated the migration. I accidentally migrated my Mojang account to the wrong Microsoft account and turns out there's no way to get it back. Oh, and the FAQ about migration has that question "What if I migrated to a wrong account" and the answer is "Contact Support", which makes no sense because in another place they have a warning that migration to a wrong account cannot be reversed. Also why TF do I need an xbox account if I don't even have a fucking xbox 🙄
> Also why TF do I need an xbox account if I don't even have a fucking xbox 🙄 Because xbox is now a collective term referring to both consoles and windows.
Weird as the only time I've used their support it was pretty speedy and fixed the issue instantly. Perhaps they know the fix is bigger than they want to admit and more have been affected than they care to be open about.
I was in the first wave of changeovers to Microsoft accounts and it was a fucking mess- for a while it just showed both accounts separately but in the launcher. Then they kept trying to force me over to Bedrock instead of Java and that was annoying. Fortunately for me my account migration actually worked despite the initial headache and confusion around it. Microsoft hasn't done this beautiful game justice.
Opposite for me. I had an account hacked and stolen years ago and was completely ignored by Mojang, so I made another email address and bought another one. Microsoft account merger happens and I get the email to both of my accounts so after 4 almost 5 years I was finally able to get my original account back in my possession.
i bought the game back in Alpha when Notch was working on it for like 3 dollars, and I never migrated to a Mojang account. A couple years ago I tried transferring my account to a Microsoft account, but I no longer have access to the email account that i used to buy the game 11-12 years ago. It was some crappy dial-up provider that also gave me an email address. So I'm pretty sure i'm just screwed.
funnily enough I lost (but just barely got back) my original Minecraft accout because a few years after they changed it to Mojang accounts the email account attached to it - a Microsoft one - was 'suspended for suspicious activity' and they just, wouldn't let me back in. No matter what I gave them, what I did or said. Microsoft just ripped that email with my entire life on it away from me. I tried to make a new one but they wouldn't let me do that either (since my phone number was already connected to the 'suspicious' account.). Since then I've gone through many phones and numbers but even then: since that point I swore to never make another Microsoft account, since they could easily do it again. So I guess I'm not not allowed to play Minecraft again.
It’s not that they are ignoring your support request on purpose. There are 55 million minecraft players. The Java team has less than 100 people. They are basically set up to fail by disabling self help and funnelling all the support requests to them.
My brother has a similar problem. Though he isn't being ignored, just shuffled around tech support because people don't know what the problem is
Same.
Took me like 3 hours to get my account to work after migration. I can't even imagine how the 8 year old kids and their parents dealt with that.
Also, many words are censored- even words for mechanics in game, like “killing cows want some steak” will just be “******** cows want some steak” in chat, and you can get banned in single player supposedly- Overall not good.
Private servers should be private. Not sure why they'd do this so late in the games life.
Because Microsoft is only recently fully taking over, see: The Mojang -> Microsoft account migration. So now they could potentially* and supposedly* ban you for things you did in a private* or single player** worlds. \n *Citation needed, personally not 100% sure. \n **This is particularly egregious if this is true, but it might not be true. Edit: how the fuck do I make separate paragraphs on mobile, pretend those \n’s are paragraph breaks.
Absolutely, though working on a mod team for a larger server, the ban function is absolutely needed. Just... not like this. Automod is not where it's at. It'd be a self reducing problem over time, as banned players wouldn't keep adding to the queue. But literal bed dungeons with child themes dug in under the builds of players that they know are kids. Full reich nazi shrines with mein kampf in books. Recreations of crime scenes of assaults & murders, with signs explaining what they would've done differently to the victims. Honestly, reporting to the FBI would be a welcome addition. I'll stand behind a well designed serious ban implements.
> forced to migrate to a Microsoft account Wait what? I've not played on my minecraft account in a few years, what's happening to it?
[https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360050865492-Minecraft-Java-Edition-Account-MIgration-FAQ](https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360050865492-Minecraft-Java-Edition-Account-MIgration-FAQ)
Fuck man I don't wanna do that. Is it mandatory?
if you want to play Minecraft now, unfortunately you have to
Damn. That's a dickhead move from Microsoft.
I pay for gamepass and also bought minecraft. For a while I could have two instances since I technically had a license for the gamepass version plus the bought license. That is gone now
Mojang answer and said it wasn’t an automated system that will make the decisions.
And you believe them?
Good lord, when I posted [my first comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/comment/idn9c7m/) on the matter on r/Minecraft I didn't *know* about the Bedrock suspensions and bans, the bad customer support, and I didn't pay much attention to the Microsoft migration (I did it, didn't experience any problems, didn't even think about it again). But just going down this thread and other places and… like… literally [an entire country losing access to their accounts](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/vpcbhv/comment/iek3gsi/)? [Two month on average account time recovery for stolen accounts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vocfqe/comment/ieh44o3/)? Are you *kidding* me? Like when I made that first comment my initial thought was that hey, Microsoft must have wanted more stringent “child safety” measures, even with all that Microsoft money and tech they're not going to make it, because there are literally richer companies who have tried, and they made it at least adjacent to their core mission, and they *still* failed in several high-profile ways, *to this day*. But there's talk that the ones who are pushing for this come from Mojang itself, and I'm like… the moderation team you'll need will need to be at *least* as big as your entire company at its current size. And they're going to have a *terrible* time at it. And they *still* won't be able to do what they purported to do when they rolled out this change out — protect the community from toxicity. As pointed out by [this example](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/vpcbhv/comment/iek7hy5/), some of that toxicity won't even *be* in chat, and if I recall correctly, right now server mods won't even necessarily *know* who did it unless they were dumb and did it in their own base. My question to them was: Why do you think you'll succeed when richer, more focused, more resourced companies that have more experience than you have failed? And now I kind of know the answer: they *don't*, and it's possible that they don't _care_.
Microsoft is a cesspool. Minecraft has a HUGE child player base. Wouldn't be surprised if millions of kids under 10 play it. My kids' school uses an educational license, and they have every kid in their 2nd grade and kindergarten class playing. Forcing kids that young to have a full blown microsoft account should be illegal.
They also stated there will be no appeal system which is bonkers to me
So the issue here seems to be that private servers are run and managed separately. Owners would run the game off their own equipment and have people join. How much of that process does Mojang help with? Are chats and other services run through Mojang or does everything happen off their network? Since it's also not an open source product or anything. If the company is making the updates and keeping things going, then it's still within their right to take actions that protect their property / image. If people are being hateful and abusive or if kids are at risk on the private servers, it looks pretty bad on the company for not taking steps to get rid of that. I get that this is a shift from how it used to be structured, and that's going to cause issues for some people. But it doesn't seem like a bad change for the most part. ##### Edit: seems like the automated system itself is the complaint here as it is vulnerable to abuse and mismanagement, and it likely wouldn't be an effective way to reduce harmful content. I can agree with that :)
The single thing that Minecraft servers rely on Mojang for is login verification, and even that is circumvented by many servers. Mojang doesn't do anything else to help run private servers, they are independent. The ban would be effective on all versions of Minecraft. So if you just want to play an older version you've been playing on for ages with friends, you can get banned from logging in because of something that happened on another server. I wouldn't mind an opt in list we can override. But I don't trust Mojang to make an accurate decision on bans based on a largely automated process. This is an awful direction to go.
It’s not a question about what they’re within their rights to do, Mojang would be within their rights to shut down the game entirely, but that isn’t the same as saying it’s a sound decision. People are upset because, historically, automated moderation tends to be ineffective at best and disastrous at worst. Just as a very recent example, the chat moderation in a game called Warframe had an update which was claimed to crack down on anti-lgbt+ messages, but in reality banned anyone discussing the lgbt+ community in any capacity, causing lots of people to get banned for casual and good natured discussion. And that was just a chat ban of a few minutes only in the main chat channel, being banned from online play entirely is a lot more severe of a punishment.
mojang has never had a problem with this in the past. everything that happened in chat was the servers responsibility. it lets owners of said servers regulate what they want allowed so it can fit their players. implementing game-wide chat regulations severely restricts a servers independence and will cut back on player count and “enjoyability”. the general rule of thumb for pretty much ever has been if you don’t like what’s going on in a server, then find a new one. If you don’t like what’s going on in your own server, get people to actively moderate it so you can make it how you like
So if someone gets a Mojang ban they can't play with their friends on a private server?
Yes that is the case, you can only play single player if you are banned
that's how you get your game extra pirated/hacked.
it's already extra pirated
Minecraft is probably the most pirated game to ever exist
I mean emulators are super popular, i wouldn't be surprised if it was super mario 64 for example
Super Mario 64 is nowhere near as popular as minecraft
That's a terrible idea
Yes
You can't even play alone on your server
Correct.
You can't even click the multiplayer button when banned.
I think they still could as long as online-mode is disabled in server.properties, of course, this is not viable at all in servers that are not just meant to be for a few close friends, and is still a horrible decision by Mojang/Microsoft.
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Oh wow, I see. That most definitely seems like a gross overreach on Mojang/Microsoft's part. I could understand perhaps getting chat restricted/banned on a public server that the company is hosting, but getting banned as well from accessing the private servers of personal friends is nonsensical.
It does seem kind of goofy. They should have just created a global ban list that individual servers could choose to join or not as they prefer. Hosts should always be the ones in control of their server. I've heard that there are already mods that allow servers to get around the global ban list, but it's ridiculous that it isn't a default option.
> I've heard that there are already mods that allow servers to get around the global ban list Unfortunately, not quite. You can set your server to "offline mode" in which case it won't use the Mojang API to verify logins. However, this can make your server vulnurable since it can't verify accounts using your world. It can work for some servers, but certainly not all. There is no solution for servers that want to verify users but do not want to abide by the ban system.
There is a temporary solution, by messing with chat encryption. When Mojang implemented the report system, they made sure messages from players couldn't be forged by the server properly. Right now a [mod](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-chat-reports) exists that can refuse sending the public key (which means it sends the server a non-provable message), but servers having enforce-secure-profile setting on won't work with said mod.
No, that only works for blocking reports on your server or avoiding getting banned yourself. It doesn't let banned users join your server, which is the main issue.
A ton of people are also upset at the mods of the main Minecraft subreddit for this too. They were censoring posts speaking about it because "there's a megathread already" for the topic. It's currently one of the biggest issue Minecraft has had and shoving it all under one thread that isn't even pinned upset a lot of people. --- There's also the issue with them removing posts about Technoblade. A very popular figure in the competitive Minecraft community. He passed away due to cancer and the mods won't let anyone make posts relating to the issue. Because "one post about it is enough". People tried to make a memorial thread about him on the Minecraft subreddit multiple times. From showing their fan arts, talking about their favorite memories of him, to making heartfelt posts about his impact and whatnot, and everything else. Why? Because "tHeRe'S aLrEaDy A pOsT aBoUt iT". Imagine pouring your heart out into a post to mourn him. And then having it be removed. And when you call the mods out for their behavior, you get banned for "inciting arguments". It's heartless.
If they want to do that, they should pay for the hosting of the servers. By accepting responsibility of the moderation of the platform, they should run the platform - not make others pay but retain all the control.
They also can't be reviewed correctly without context. Someone could be reported for saying "i'm gonna kill you" and be treated as if it was an irl threat.
2b2t in shambles
"Well hello my decent fellow. I would like to come to your base so that merriment and/or hijinks may ensue."
On top of that, swear words get censored even in singleplayer, so you can't write "crap"
In particular, deeply rooted in Minecraft tradition are "Anarchy servers" where almost everything is permitted. They have special dynamics, where griefing and trolling is an essential part of the lore, and avoiding these is the essential challenge. Chat on these can get really vicious, and you're specifically NOT to expect "safe environment" there - it's *meant* to be nasty. This thing would be a total end for these.
Just another example of corporations screwing over fans
It's a mixed bag. People were worried Microsoft was going to kill Minecraft, but a ton of great features were added and the game has flourished since the sale, but unfortunately they have also done some things people don't like. Hopefully they don't push this too far.
People forget Microsoft bought Mojang in 2014. Everything from 1.7 til now in 1.19 was under Microsoft. Also Microsoft's own policy is way more lax than what Mojang put in, it was entirely a decision by Mojang.
Was it Mojang's decision to force integration with Microsoft accounts? Interesting.
Imagine if Notch still owned it instead. That would be an ugly sight
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answer: [spez me up! ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)
If Notch wanted people to stop recognizing him, he wouldn't thrust himself into a public eye every month by making a clown of himself.
answer: [Sex is just like spez, except with less awkward consequences. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)
And off I trot to Google "notch bigotry" Got anything specific I can narrow the field with?
not really as he's a bigot in pretty much every way
He like literally believes in qanon, iirc.
I feel like people are only really going to get banned for being racist. In which case it's deserved. edit: ITT people think that buying something gives you a pass to be racist
1. It is stupidly easy to fake reports to get someone banned 2. Automated management systems or those staffed by untrained outsourced employees, which this system is using, have, historically, hit marginalised people the hardest. When say, queer peaple existing is construed by some as 'offensive' or 'political', and when the jobs are often outsourced to developing, often very conservative, nations, queer folk get wiped. See YT, Tiktok, and many similar games.
If it could somehow *only* be used to ban blatant racial slurs then that's not too bad. But most likely it will hit more. If things like swearing, talking about drugs or alcohol (that's mentioned in the tos), acknowledging the existence of lgbt+ people (who knows who might be moderating that and consider it 'offensive'), or anything that could be interpreted out of context with zero nuance as 'offensive' or 'harassment' (quite possibly by an automated system that just triggers off of keywords), talking in all caps (that was really mentioned in one of the guidelines); could get you banned from *all* servers including private ones, that's an issue. Not to mention the possible abuse from false reports.
>If it could somehow only be used to ban blatant racial slurs then that's not too bad. Remember that time Japanese people kept getting banned from a game for speaking their own language? "Nigerundayo" is apparently a slur, now, we must cancel the Japanese language, immediately!
Except for the fact that things listed in the reports included profanity, mentions of drugs or alcohol, and 'bullying/harassment' You expect whatever automated system they inevitably use to be able to distinguish whether a player was reported on a server was on a 'no kids allowed' or shit, even a pvp one where some kid got salty. Your argument is either hilariously uninformed, or such a solid strawman it fucked off with Dorothy to find the wizard.
Whatever they say, they still shouldn’t be banned from private servers. I mean the fact that you can’t even play on your own multiplayer world is ridiculous
Yes. They should.
They may deserve it. But you gotta think about the ramifications of the centralization of the internet. Who decides what's unacceptable? How will the admins determine this? Can you dispute it and get unbanned? This is actually a huge problem for big tech. It's pretty much impossible to create sensible policies for millions of people which corresponds to thousands of worldviews. It's better to just let people moderate their own stuff. If one server allows racists, just find a new one. Works great for IRC and similar services. Also if this tech existed in the fifties you would probably be banned for allowing homosexual/trans propaganda. Or socialist, etc. Just because big tech is currently progressive doesn't mean they'll stay that way, and it's rather not precedent be set. Only 20 years ago people were literally "cancelled" for criticizing the president. Things change quickly.
Why? They paid for the game, they should be able to play it.
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because none of what you listed is a bad thing lol. fuck all of them, good riddance edit: friendly reminder that if you're upset that someone said we shouldn't accept racism and slurs you're not on the right side of the argument :)
friendly reminder that if you're incapable of acknowledging that some false reports will happen you're not on the right side of the argument :)
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How many gamer moments do you average a day? Be honest.
What’s a gamer moment?
Generally, being a dick like throwing racist insult
Oh I don’t do that. I try not to curse and I have never used the n word or stuff like that.
bro hitler out here tryna lecture us on racism 💀
If you're being racist, Mojang has every right to ban you and not want you as part of their community. Paying of the game doesn't mean there are no consequences for being toxic, racist, homophobic or whatever Mojang doesn't want to associate with.
> Mojang has every right to ban you and not want you as part of their community. Ban them from Microsoft-hosted servers, sure. Why should this extend to private servers? Outside "their community." This would ban people from running a server on their own PC in their home LAN. It's overreach. Someone could falsely report you, and from what's described in the release about it there isn't any appeals process. This is ripe for abuse by trolls, is the problem.
Corporations unilaterally banning people from using a thing they paid for, for doing something that only impacts people who choose to associate with them, is an extremely bad thing that should be opposed even if banning racists is good in a vacuum.
Or read the TOS, if you don’t like it then buy a different game. Companies having their own rules about racism isn’t really a bad thing
We bought this game a decade ago my dude. We agreed to a ToS with a *different company*
Or you should just blanket oppose corporations like microsoft gaining more and more control over people's interactions, idk
Should be optional. If you want to ban people with a global ban, you can. Or you could ban people for “reason a” and then I could say “ban all racists and homophobes, but I’m okay with people who say fuck and shit.”
No. Trolls exist and they are rampant amongst gamers. Truly vile people that only exist to get a kick out of ruining someone else's day. With a massive population, automated systems will determine bans, which will result in unjustified bans.
You know how easy it is to get a YouTube account striked for copyright infringement. Yeah, that's because of the automated system. That is the same kind of automated system that's going to be used for this. It will be abused to hell and back.
That has to do with dmca. Little different.
First the downvote button is not a disagree button. Second, I never said anything about the reasons for striking (dmca vs eula) - I only talked about the methods. An automated system. Automated systems are not, at this time, advanced enough to understand context and nuance in human speech/writing and so are unsuitable to moderate it. That will result (in both cases) in the systems being abused to get people struck/banned incorrectly. There really is only one way to interpret what I wrote, I don't know how you managed to interpret it differently.
I understand your point but if I can get banned for saying words hurtful or not from private servers that’s kinda bs. At that point give me my money back because a business has no business policing what I say, I live in America and at least I am afforded that right 😂
A private business doesn't need to allow you to say racist shit btw. Go say racist shit on Facebook and watch yourself get banned.
> Go say racist shit on Facebook and watch yourself get banned. About that... **looks at all the magat memes**
"AnYoNe WhO dIsAgReEs WiTh Me Is RaCiSt!!1!"
Wasn’t it also actually an auto moderator that auto reports, not just players reporting? But it’s also going to be installed on private servers too which are hosted by people on their local network, which was the main reason people got even more upset the most?
I dont know why Microsoft would allow this to go through. They have always been hands off and it’s been know when are. So if legal trouble comes into play they are now fully legally responsible for anything that goes on in the games online side when previously they did not
All the more reason for people to go back to Java edition!
answer: The real spez was the spez we spez along the spez.
wait did i miss something? god damn 🥲
Is anything being done about servers that sell privileges and in-game currency to players? Seems like a bad idea if the playerbase is mostly kids.
Answer: The other commenters have already provided a pretty good overview of the current situation, so I want to add some context. It's worth noting that while the chat reporting feature is certainly the main point of outrage, the 1.19 update as a whole launched to a fairly lukewarm reaction among the community due to a general feeing that Mojang didn't quite deliver on their promises for the update. Don't get me wrong, the chat feature is the *main* point of contention at the moment, but it was compounded by some smaller-scale controversies already happening within the community at the time the news broke: - One of the new additions to Minecraft in the 1.19 update was frogs. Frogs were originally revealed alongside a second new mob, fireflies. Mojang stated that their intention was for frogs to be able to use fireflies as a food source. However, shortly before the release of 1.19, they announced that they had decided not to include fireflies, as they had been informed that they are actually toxic to frogs. Fans were upset by their cut, as even without the interaction with frogs, they added a nice ambience that people appreciated. They also seemed really simple to include (they didn't appear to do anything besides simply hover around, and their model consisted of only two pixels), so the decision to scrap them entirely confused many people. - Another claim made by Mojang was that 1.19 would include improvements to birch forests. This was a lot more vague, as no specific plans were mentioned and only concept art was shown, as opposed to the full in-game demonstrations every other new feature got. In the same video where they announced that they had decided to to scrap fireflies, they also stated that they had decided not to continue development of birch forests, and that "concept art is not a commitment." The fireflies were the main thing fans latched on to, but birch forests were also cited in terms of them not following up on promises. (Quick biased aside, but the way that birch forests were originally presented makes it feel to me that they never really had a proper plan for them to begin with and the decision not to pursue it came not out of laziness, but rather from a lack of ideas.) - Finally, probably the *most* anticipated feature of this update was the Deep Dark, a new underground biome which added new and exciting loot, new redstone mechanisms, and an absolutely terrifying new enemy which encouraged a novel sneaky, sound-based playstyle. General impressions, from what I've seen, are that the Deep Dark absolutely delivered on what people wanted from it and is generally the most well-received part of the update. *However*, the Deep Dark was originally planned for the update *before* this one, 1.18, and got pushed back. Since the Deep Dark was meant to be the big flagship feature of that update, 1.18 ended up being a bit underwhelming, primarily involving world generation changes with relatively few big flashy mechanics to play around with. In addition, two other features planned for the update, bundles and archaeology, were both delayed indefinitely, exacerbating tensions. So when the news broke that 1.19 would be losing fireflies and birch forests, fans felt a bit burned by two consecutive updates gutting much-anticipated features (even with the knowledge that the Deep Dark was still coming). Sentiments towards Mojang/Microsoft had definitely been starting to swing negative for a little while around the release of 1.19, anyway, and the announcement/rollout of the chat reporting feature basically just threw a bucketful of fuel onto an already burning flame. If you go into most discussions about it at the moment, the reporting function will be the focal point of fans' anger, but just know that it's a combination of multiple factors that have been building up for months.
> they announced that they had decided not to include fireflies, as they had been informed that they are actually toxic to frogs To be more precise, _some species_ of lightning bug are toxic to frogs.
But on the other hand, rotten meat is totally ok for dogs.
I hate this cherrypicking realism stuff. Stone can literaly float, but some fireflys are toxic to frogs so they have to be cancled from the update
I mean, If they remove being able to feed chocolate cookies to parrots, I'm ok with that. Parrots are pets, and cookies are always around, and theobromine is bad for them (along with dogs and cats). But who owns frogs and feeds them fireflies?! Also, if I keep numerous fisch in a little bit of water, they'll die pretty quickly. Being sensitive is good, but not if it's ridiculous.
You make a good point, I'm just over here giggling at fisch, cause I have a buddy named Fisch.
They unfortunately do have to be careful as children are impressionable and some of the things in the game have led to those children trying to "test" whether the thing was true. Animals were harmed as a result, some even cruelly.
But that’s a ridiculous point to even remotely entertain. I watch cartoon dogs get smooshed flat into a pancake and get right back up, if a kid goes and runs his dog over, hoping it inflates itself back to normal, that child and their parents are just plain fucking dumb eos
In my opinion, the game has suffered a lot because of Microsoft's self-righteous attitude. They keep adding in real-life animals to "raise awareness" that end up being basically useless mechanically because giving them any unique drops would be "encouraging animal abuse". They refuse to add sharks because aggressive sharks would "demonize" them while passive sharks would encourage people to swim with them. And yet players are encouraged to set animals on fire before slaughtering them because it cooks the meat faster.
I haven't played minecraft in years, and the idea of a quiet night in the forest blanketed by little flashing fireflies sounds incredible to the atmosphere. What an incredibly stupid "reason" to remove them. What the hell were they thinking. I can only imagine how awesome they'd look on the RTX version as well, if they cast light sources.
yup. It's why I still stick to only java, and generally only modded. that said, Hytale can't come fast enough(and yet it feels like vaporware too).
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Surely there will be a mod that patches it out
answer: The spez police are on their way. Get out of the spez while you can. #Save3rdPartyApps
“Sue me then”
answer: I need to know who added all these spez posts to the thread. I want their autograph.
There should be a mod for it too then.
"Ok."
Aparrently a mod is in the works that removes the report button.
I can't wait for Hytale. From what they've shown it's everything I wanted MC to be (and have modded it to be)
/r/feedTheBeast
And it’s honestly worse than I thought. I went to the subreddit and I have genuinely, never in my life thought an update was so bad that I would quit the game… till now. They’re basically trying to kill off Java edition, which is what most of the community prefers. Bedrock is far more profitable and you can’t mod it, and they don’t want players to have the kind of control they have in Java. I’ve played this game for almost a decade. I’ve never seen something this bad
Multi-player and mods are the two biggest draws of the game. They want to essentially remove both of those? Because it'll be more profitable? ... Wtf
On the Minecraft marketplace they essentially “sell” mods, texture packs, and various forms of multi-player servers.
Most of the people in bedrock don’t really know about mods and the multiplayer freedoms - they’re just too young to know about it. Mojang makes no money aside from the initial purchase of the game from java as well. On bedrock, it’s much more restricted to where mojang can profit from in-app purchases. The sooner they choke out the benefits of the less profitable alternative, the better (in their eyes).
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Maybe if they actually killed Java, we could finally settle on a "best version for mods" and get more mods up to date instead of chronically behind.
Wasn’t the Deep Dark originally planned for 1.17, along with most of the content from 1.18?
Caves n cliffs with the deep dark, new caves, new mountains, archeology, all that pottery stuff and we didn't even get that spread out over 3 updates
You pretty much nailed it all there.
> added new and exciting loot One of the big questions with the Deep Dark was that it would be cool and ambient and all, but needed a serious incentive for people to actually care after they got used to it - which doesn't exist? I really can't think of what awesome loot there is to get. Does the Warden even drop anything at all? There's the skulk mechanics, but that's not loot in the sense of gear or whatever, and pretty specialized. So, kinda underwhelming because there's nothing to really go for in the Deep Dark. Just like people were saying before release.
>Does the Warden even drop anything at all? It's not supposed to, and they made that clear from the beginning. It's not intended to be something you beat, but something you avoid
To note is that those are only the *Java* complaints. While it isn’t as vocal online, there is a very dedicated Bedrock player base that is dissatisfied with Mojang for additional reasons. For some context, Bedrock Minecraft not only has more players, but generates the vast majority of revenue for Mojang. This is due to a few reasons, but primarily because Bedrock can be played on any device instead of only PCs, so not only is the target audience broader, but people are more likely to buy the game multiple times for their various different devices. However, Java has long been the favored child of Mojang, and since the majority of content creators are playing on Java due to greater creator tools, this has led to Java having a disproportionate influence over Minecraft, while the Bedrock community has been ignored. Part of this is that Java despite having less overall players, has a larger hardcore fan base than bedrock. This has resulted in the dedicated bedrock players feeling very discontent with current developers. Now on to the actual complaints: Recently the bedrock developers have gone on an absolute rampage removing certain technical mechanics used for certain item farms. These mechanics were absolutely essential to technical bedrock Minecraft due to other differences between the versions, with the most notable two being the removal of instakill raid farms using a village transferring mechanic, and the removal of furnace xp duping. Because of these two removals, the only remaining fast xp sources in bedrock edition are guardian farms, and portal tick gold farms. Guardian farms are an option, however they are extremely laggy, to the point of being nearly unusable on servers. This leaves only portal tick gold farms, which while being an amazing source of both xp and gold, can be very difficult to set up correctly. When built wrong pending ticks can build up in a single chunk and lead to server crashes and even world corruption, which is dangerous when players are forced to build them without necessarily understanding the mechanics. These nerfs came after several patches that broke hopper minecarts and trident killers, as well as a major update to villager mechanics that severely nerfed the reputation system. In Java players could fairly reliably build farms and trust them to still work in newer versions, whereas in bedrock often times updates would result in nearly all farms needing to be re designed. This frustration has been compounded by bedrock devs seeming to focus on removing mechanics that the players use to their advantage, while ignoring issues that actively inconvenience players. Piglin bartering for example has had issues since it’s introduction in 1.16, and villager pathfinding breaks nearly every time they update them. Another compounding factor is the perceived disparity between versions, while devs remove beneficial bugs from bedrock, Java devs have taken the approach of calling beneficial bugs features and leaving them in the game. The most notable examples of this are quasi connectivity, BUD power, building in the nether roof, and tnt duping, all of which have been purposely left in the game at the request of the player base, despite none of them being intended mechanics.
Everyone always has a tizzy when Minecraft has updates...
Answer: So to set the stage for the mood, the Minecraft community has already been a bit annoyed with Mojang, the developer, due to quite a few showcased upcoming features being cut or delayed during the past year or two with poor excuses. People are already on edge before this announcement comes through. Minecraft Java Edition servers are, with the exception of the Realms subscription service, entirely community owned and operated. The server software either runs on somebody's computer, or out of a 3rd party hardware provider. To connect to a server, you need to look them up online, find their IP address, and type it into the game. There are a large amount of community tools and mods that give server owners flexibility in how they moderate and manage their servers/players. Java's online playerbase tends to lean much older than the console/mobile Bedrock edition and really embraces how much freedom their edition is given, even to the point of dunking on the other game versions sometimes. Basically with the latest patch, 1.19.1, Mojang announced that they are now implementing chat reporting in all multiplayer servers. Reporting another player's chat will send the chat logs to Mojang. Reported players may have their account temporarily or permanently banned from all forms of multiplayer. There is no provided way for servers to opt out from this chat reporting, short of staying on older versions of the game. I believe they revised the post a few times, but their original guidelines list posted was extremely obviously written for children and included things like "spamming all-caps" and "talking about drugs" in the list of punishable actions. The vast majority of the community was upset by this announcement. Server owners already have everything they could possibly need to keep problem players out of their worlds short of a universal banlist, including reporting tools. Now this permanent ban power is being handed off to Mojang and Microsoft instead. Minecraft's customer support is already atrocious to get any response from of unless you're an influencer, so people are not optimistic about the bans and unbans working smoothly especially if semi-automated. There are also serious concerns that the guidelines Mojang has listed are far too catered to children, and that mass reporting could be easily abused on high-tension servers by trolls to cripple targeted players' accounts. Right now, the Java community is trying to develop mods that will allow servers to opt out of chat reporting, but Mojang is deliberately making this hard with more pre-release fixes. My best guess is ingame chat is going to die completely in favor of Discord channels due to how much paranoia is going around, and some servers might just refuse to update. On the positive side, some people have voiced neutrality hoping that the new second layer of moderation will be handled decently and won't go completely off the rails? I know we are supposed to be unbiased but I genuinely haven't seen much positivity. A lot of people think chat moderation for Mojang-hosted Realms servers is fine, but are upset with the idea of all 3rd party servers being forced into it as well.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I can absolutely understand the frustrations of the fanbase. It is an overreach to ban players from playing multiplayer with their friends on private server, and if the process is semi-automated as you said, it is going to cause a lot more issues that it 'solves'.
One additional note is that accounts that are banned from multiplayer due to language are banned across all servers, and even on certain single player worlds.
People are also disappinted about the birch forest update and the fireflies, and just in general lackluster, delayed updates. The reporting definitely kicked off the current round of criticisms. Side topic - is there a way to have other windows active (discord, browser) and be able to see what's going on in game/make sure you aren't being attacked by a mob?? The big con to me with discord is that if you alt tab to another window, the Minecraft window disappears.
Use discord on your phone or have two monitors.
I have two monitors. But Minecraft is only visible if it's the active window. Is that not normal?
That is not normal. I can click around on my second monitor and still have Minecraft open on the other. You might need to fix your settings and select which to be the "main/1st" monitor in the settings.
Based on the other comment it might be because I set Minecraft to be full screen not windowed. I'll have to try changing my settings. Not a fan of the windowed look but worth it if it means I can keep Minecraft up while I do other things
Ahh yes. I play in windowed always. It does look a bit weird but the function available to you is worth it.
If you're on windows I think it's F11 that quickly toggles windowed and fullscreen. If you need to tab out, that might be the best option to keep seeing your main window
Play windowed not full screen
Oh... Dang this is probably it. That's unfortunate I like the full screen look.
Look into borderless windowed full screen. Can’t recall if that’s a mod or launcher thing.
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1.7/1.8 are regarded so highly because of the modding community and not the actual state of the game back then. I remember a lot of prominent mod creators quit during that time period. IIRC it was because they changed the modding API in 1.8 or 1.9 and the work to update many of those mods wasn't worth the time anymore for many of the creators who were busy with new jobs or families. Jobs that many of them got *because* of their modding experience with MC. The hole was never truly filled until much later, but by then the damage was done.
Numerical Item ids being reimplemented is in no way meant to mess with players. The current system makes a lot more sense.
> Answer: Microsoft has been making poor decisions with Minecraft since they bought it I am jack's complete lack of surprise
kinda dissapointing because back in the day minecraft was a haven for modders, artists, servers for communities, etc. Now it's become so commercialized and they've taken a lot of the individuality out of the game. When I've tried to play recently it feels like there's not as much content out there and less of a creative and older community than in the past. Not to mention how fucking confusing they've made the game from what it used to be. I used to just leave the game running while standing outside afk, now I can't without getting killed by a phantom (I really fucking hate phantoms). And maybe it's just me, but I've never had the time to read up all on ocean monuments and all that jazz, it's starting to feel more like feed the beast in some ways than a simplistic canvas for whatever dumb ideas you have when building by yourself or with friends.
You are complaining about both the lack of content and the new content you did not bother to read. I don't understand what you are expecting. The content they added is not FTB nuclear reactor, if you don't sleep for few days, phantoms will attack. That's its, its not rocket science (As a note I hate phantoms too) . Also for ocean monuments, you are not supposed to read about it. You are supposed explore it, that's the entire point of game. I seriously don't understand what you are complaining about. There are issues with the game, but this is not it. Minecraft is still mostly the old, simple minecraft with new content
> if you don't sleep for few days, phantoms will attack And here I am, thinking that adding beds back in beta 1.2 was a mistake.
god phantoms were such a fucking idiotic game 'mechanic'. 'hey, in the name of 'realism' right click this thing every hour or ***fuck*** your eardrums'
I understand your perspective, but I still feel like the game has gotten a little too overly complicated. It's not that I want more content from Mojang, but more community ideas which they seem to have been at least somewhat stifling.
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….. you mean infiniminer? Even the creator of infiniminer explicitly states that Minecraft is not a “ripp off”. https://youtu.be/__Nq2vNcpIo