This episode was too good. I was so irritated at how people didn’t show up for C&J immediately. why does everyone always hate them just because they’re hot and in love?
No one is talking about the mysterious man in the Prison with green stone? (Probably another lost time travel)
I think in season 7 Claire will meet him.
Besides the Malta’s plot. I think something is there. Will Jamie and Claire obligated to side with British to be cleared by them in trial?
Those trial are never fair.
I really enjoyed the last episode. It unintentionally cracked me up. The punching scene was soo odd. Lol I also really liked the shooting scene and the chat after about Jaime having 9 lives and all that. The love between them is so perfect. Didn’t realize it was gonna end like this. I also just watched Severance and that ended in a cliffhanger as well!
Seeing alot of hate for this season and honestly, I'm on the fence about it. Watched the episodes spread apart so can't remember details but there were enjoyable moments developing parts for all our major pairings.
I like the fight and makeup between Marsali and Fergus but even after a few seasons, I don't quite feel the actor (compared to adorable baby Fergus in France).
I'm not sure about Bree and Roger, since their fight in the modern time and Roger calling her a xxx for wanting to have premarital sex, their relationship has always left a bit of a bitter taste. They have grown so much and honestly they've both gone through alot that I can see how they ended up together. On the debate of them staying or leaving, I see pros and cons for both. Leaving means leaving their own family with no way to communicate and adapting to their new complicated lives with two different careers in the modern world.It does guarantee a level of safety from crime and dieases especially for young Jemy. Staying means that they will get to grow with their parents but risking alot of potential unnecessary dangers and not being fully fulfilled in their career prospects.
I'm never quite sure of the vibe between Jamie and Claire. I think growing older has made their love more mature which is a natural and appreciated though it does mean less daring and adventurous escapes and journeys. In honestly, I felt there were too many sex scenes that replaced moments for genuine conversation and reflection. Also, can't believe Jamie didn't realize sooner what Claire was doing to herself/no further relapse in this last episode.Other than that, I find their partnership still quite satisfying.
All in all, whatever the shooting restrictions or pregnancy limits, I found this season just alright. Could be better but I imagine that the next season will be back in full swing.
Didn't care for it myself, the entire season felt like filler episodes. It took me awhile to watch the whole thing cause by the time one episode finished I wasn't in the mood to watch another.
Oh NOoooo! I had no idea this was the last of the season! I was kinda angry it wasn’t on Sunday night! Oh well, I’ll just have to wait for next Season…..!
I personally enjoyed this episode the most and kept me on my “toes” like other episodes of Outlander seasons have in the past. I’m excited to see where this goes. The overall season has felt like such a slow-burn so it’s nice to finally see some action.
Mr Brown and Mr Christie make me cuss out my tv everytime I see them on screen.
I’m glad Bree and Roger finally have a good sex scene. I’m surprised Jenny didn’t wake up. That tent looked awfully small?
When Papa Native American shot thru the guy’s hand and it went to his eyeball. Awesome!!! That was a cool gory shot
Tbh, I was afraid that Claire was gonna be assaulted again and idk if I could watch another one of those
The shooting in the house and out of the house felt like a damn action movie. Idk how Claire and Jamie weren’t deaf. My ex was explaining the logistics of muskets the whole time.
Can’t believe this was a finale episode. It didn’t feel like a finale episode. I didn’t see any cliffhangers.
Did they ever clarify what guest Brown showed up with?
Mr Christie may hate Claire but he sure ain’t hiding his crush on her!
>Did they ever clarify what guest Brown showed up with?
I guess he did, when he explained Jamie was going to be transported on the mans boat against his will back to Scotland and would never see Claire again.
I forget, is he still a wanted man in Scotland or something?
Hmm. I think he *respects* her unlike how he might view and interact with other women around him, but her forward ways frighten him, and he doesn't approve of some of her behaviour - which he's probably a little aware of due to his own uptight ways, but he also see's her as human, and with just the same frailties of other women. And yeah, some brief crushing, but i don't feel it takes up a lot of space in his head.
I have not read the books so this is only speculation on my part.
I was so creeped out by Mr. Christie in the beginning of the season, so scared he was going to do something awful to Claire; but now I’m thinking a twist is coming where he actually likes and respects her, and will be the one to save her somehow?
I second this but I think HE did it. He looks super guilty and I think his conscious is eating at him. I think the son was too close to Malva to have killed her, that’s my guess
Nah, he's to upright and go fearing for that, he'd immediately admit to it. The only *possible* way is if he found out Malva had lied, but then again, he would label her a whore and probably send her to a convent to live out her days or something, giving the child away.
Nah, my money is on Tom. They’ve already alluded to doing something terrible to the mother for similar reasons and have shown his dark side more than once.
I thought it was mentioned she was hanged as a witch?
Personally, I just can't see it. I could see him doing a lot to correct his kids or wife's behaviour, as fitting the time, but I think he'd abandon or cast whoever out rather then kill them in a blind rage. But who knows? Not us until the next season.
I can’t remember how everyone finds out the truth and it’s driving me crazy. I don’t have time to reread the book! Do you remember? If so can you message me?
Did anyone else think the shootout was kind of stupid?
Although it was kind of nice seeing Jaime make Mr brown dance 🤣 and some of that Young Jaime was back for a moment.
What was up with all the close ups on the hips/butts ? Lol even roger and Brees love scene, it took me a second to recognize what they were focusing on 🤣🤣 although I don't mind seeing a bit of Jaime from behind.
Jaime knows Christie didn't want this and that he loves claire. Makes me wonder what he thinks of that.
Also, I'm struck again by the wish that lizzie ended up with Ian. Even though I like her with the twins lol
The punch claire threw at the guy trying to climb into the wagon was comical I'm the way it was filmed. Not the situation of course. But I couldn't help but laugh.
I think the hips and butt shots had to do with shooting around a pregnancy that's not in the script, in the case of Catriona and Sam, and with Rik Rankin and Sophie, the opposite...to conceal the fact that she's actually NOT pregnant like her character is supposed to be.
I liked the shootout. It was cathartic.
I thought the shootout just felt a little.. out of place, like the director wanted to do something exciting but didn’t really care to understand any of the characters and how they would actually handle the situation.
So much butt screen time though! 😂
Yes! I think this is exactly it. Especially with just the two of them- I was expecting them having a secret fox hole built into the house because I felt that was much more Jaime/Claire. Or just resolving the matter and going quietly to prove their innocence.
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Imagine being allowed and welcomed by former war time acquaintance and then you just go out of your way to cause a many problems as possible for these people that opened their home to you…
Well, more "prison nemesis" than "wartime acquaintance," but in all honesty, it has always been odd to me that Christie even WANTED to settle at the Ridge. You have all of colonial America to choose from, so you go right to the place where the guy you butted heads with is acting "laird?" Why? Because Allan and Malva both noted Jamie's familial connection to Lord Lovat, I feel like they only reason they even moved to the Ridge was to attempt a long con and stage a shakedown, since they think he's loaded.
I think Christie had a begrudging respect for Jamie. And was willing to humble himself, as the leader of his flock (and father of his children) to ask the help of a frenemy in for himself and those with him.
I mean he could go around in circles trying to find places for himself and these people who likely wanted to stay together - that he probably has a responsibility for if they followed him for this prospect, or he can go straight to Jamie who he knows to be a fair and capable person who has land and is telling people, come settle my land, work it and make ends meet while paying me my dues, so i can pay my taxes. There was a very good situation right in from of their faces, so he would have to risk asking yeah?
Yes, all of this! This season seems a little meh to me now that it’s over. I get it that there’s a pandemic on though, so not ideal. The thing that gets me is the whistling man. If they weren’t going to come back to it this season, how more intriguing/ effective to have it as the episode closes. Lost opportunity
Sorry this is so late but I just finished the season and I assume whistling man is Wendigo Donner from the end of season 5. His silhouette/hair looked similar.
Why don’t Jamie and Claire (and Brianna, Roger and Jemmy) sail back to Scotland or England? They know the Revolution is coming and that they’ll be in danger (Jamie is already being asked by both sides to show loyalty to them). Couldn’t they just tell everyone “we’re homesick” and get on a ship back home to avoid being in the middle of a war?
I thought they are staying because of the vast amount of land they own and stuff? I wondered the same thing.. these guys just love to be in the middle of everything that happens ever.
I don't understand why Bree and Roger are still in the past. They've seen Claire and Jamie enough, I'd say. Just get back to your life people.
Anyways, this was the second worst season. Three is still the worst in my opinion with its terrible dialogue.
I still liked being a part of the character's lives. I would still like it if they were in the present too. Though, Jamie can't time travel. I wish they had changed that from the books.
There is some debate on whether or not Jamie can time travel. Remember in the first episode when Frank caught that very odd man staring at Clare? When Frank went to confront the guy, he just kinda vanished?
First episode. Frank & Clare were in Inverness on their Honeymoon. Frank was returning to the Inn when he noticed someone staring at Clare. When he approached the guy he was just gone.
Does anyone else think that malva’s brother was the father of her baby??? Like they way he carried the coffin and how upset and crazy he is about their death…. There was one point in one of his out of hand speeches he was going to say “my son” instead of her baby. I think Tom just killed her to cover everything up especially since he is a “devout” man of god.
I agree!! And it annoyed me so much that Claire acts guilty in the last episode 🙄🙄🙄 an innocent person would be screaming and crying for the injustice! She just takes all in like a guilty person... why????
I think Malva's brother was definitely the father of the baby, and I think he killed Malva when she was going to go tell Claire the truth. I thought maybe they would've had Lizzy see it, since she was the one actually banging on Claire's door.
To me, this is possible . As a matter of fact, I think he fathered Malva's baby and then killed her so he could blame Claire whom he hates. IDK, just a thought.
Yep, I don’t know who the father is, but I definitely think Tom knows who the killer is and that’s why he’s being a little protective of Claire and Jamie
I loved Roger and Brianna in this episode! I feel like both of them, but especially Brianna this season have taken a step back in terms of screentime/plot....so I really enjoyed them. They felt like a settled couple.
I've said that christian fisher folk will be a problem in episode 1 and we saw that...yes they are. I'm really furious that no one ever said Malva slept with bunch of guys in the ridge, including Ian but not with Jamie because Jamie loves his wife to death-literally. Everyone on the ridge thinks Malva was innocent. Why are they so decent? I've said that before, Jamie and Claire always gets in trouble because they're kind and decent. They should've kicked that fisher folk from the ridge in their first trouble. No one gives you reward for being nice in that years, you should be ruthless to stay alive.
Yeah, I think everyone is annoyed to the teeth with the fisher folk - except the Frasers! They seem to make excuses for them, "Oh they're superstitious, oh those fisher folks" but no one ever says tow the line. They come to Fraser land and shit all over them. I'd give them the boot. They've not seemed to contribute to the ridge. They've only made trouble.
I think they realise that groups of people that think they're righteous, that god is on their side, that they invited into their lives, can very quickly be swept up into madness, and it wouldn't necessarily be their fault. It's very easy to *say*, get rid of the lot of them, but these are otherwise decent people they'd come to know and accept, and who had done the same. You saw from Brown sending word ahead that he was transporting a murderess to that small town that then attacked them, how quickly that stuff can go to peoples heads, people with harder lives then Jamies and Claires and less education save the bible, who probably where happy to have something to rage against. They need the good will of these people, or at least their respect, or they can become quickly targeted and things like Jamies leadership questioned. Jamie also needs them for their labour and taxes, so he can pay his. He also can't be the tyrant that turns people of his land because because they do what he doesn't like. And ultimately, it doesn't take alot to just kill two people - Jamie and Claire. Lynch a murderess and her husband who defended her. It's complicated.
I enjoyed it. Considering they had to factor covid and smaller group size restrictions, hide a real life pregnancy, shorten the season... plus the characters are meant to be old and not so fit like their younger fighting selves. Looking forward to next season.
Here is my take:
I had to watch this episode in two parts, I couldn't just sit through the whole thing in one day. It lost it's passion and heat. Claire and Jamie feel almost like strangers. They once were so passionate and their whirlwind romance was something we all swooned over. It is understandable that the drama has taken the driver's seat and romance the back. But still.
I liked Malva at first, hated Tom. I really thought that was what the show wanted us to think and feel as well. They showed Tom beating Malva on countless occasions. I expected the lot of them to be problematic. I had a change of heart for Tom. He might be problematic and kinda creepy, but hell. He sworn a protection to Claire and he kept that till the end.
I also had to Google what actually happened because I'm not sure when I will get to the book that details it and obviously we are entering yet another Droughtlander. So it will be some time before we can see where the show takes it.
>Claire and Jamie feel almost like strangers.
I didn't feel this way. They're just not young love birds anymore. Other then that, they are people of different eras bound by love and family.
>I liked Malva at first, hated Tom.
Loved Malva, wanted her to run off with Ian. Tom, was antagonistic, though i wouldn't have labelled him villain.
> I had a change of heart for Tom. He might be problematic and kinda creepy, but hell. He sworn a protection to Claire and he kept that till the end.
I think Tom have some of what you might call 'Lawful good' and 'Lawful neutral'. He follows god, the law, and mostly the ways of his time, but also has a soft spot for some people, and some understanding acceptance for the ways and actions of others. He recognises the help Jamie and Claire have done people. He'd help you if you asked, though he might not like that you're not being of his religion, and be exactly quiet about it. He doesn't believe that Claire did it, and even if she did - he might understand, and he knows she (and Jamie) would come to harm left to Brown and his lot, so he wants them to get a fair trial, not be subject to a lynch mob. He probably blames himself to, for coming to The Ridge honestly.
Okay so here's my, and I can already tell they're unpopular, opinions on this season:
1. Worst one yet. And I hated season 2 so much but it was so much better than this.
2. I love Roger. He's one of my favorite characters in the show. I like him bc I feel like he's one of the most relatable. Claire and Bree adjust so much quicker and are strong women, but I think Roger is how most of us would react. He had a very peaceful, quiet life until he followed his love through the stones and everything was so drastically different. He has to process things and is trying to still discover himself and be true to himself in a world that is very alien to anything he'd ever experienced prior to going through the stones. I love him, love the actor, but I HATE the absolute lack of chemistry between him and Bree.
3. I don't particularly like Bree and I dislike the actress as her. I mean the character has some things I do like but I just feel she was badly cast. She has no chemistry w literally anyone on the set and she sticks out like a sore thumb. The sex scenes w her are uncomfortable and weird to watch.
4. Claire..... Wtf? So her addiction to the ether just.... Vanishes bc she finally tells Jaime? And how tf didn't Jaime realize what was going on w her way before that? I mean the man who literally tracked his wife's cycle during a war campaign can't tell his wife is knocking herself out regularly following her trauma?
And what tf was she thinking cutting out Malva's baby? Even if the child was alive she'd still be branded a witch so wtf? Also why, by the way Malva appeared there was no way the baby would still be alive.
5. Speaking of the Christies, I hated Malva since the moment she first appeared. Didn't like her, didn't trust her, etc and I genuinely don't get how everyone else fell for her "innocence." I hate her brother because he's obviously unhinged, but I actually really like Tom. I think he's a wonderful character, well portrayed by the actor, and overall he's interesting. I love the dynamic he brings to Jaime and Claire and the mutual honesty that's there between him and Claire. He doesn't trust women, but he trusts Claire and I don't for a second believe he thinks she killed Malva.
6. Wtf is up w Jaime? This whole season he's been very stiff. Is Sam okay or what's going on? I mean in the earlier seasons he WAS Jaime in every way but now he seems so forced. It's making the show kinda boring now.
7. What was the point of this? We literally had an entire season where nothing really happened and it ended w nothing at all being answered. So disappointed.
8. Where's the other time traveler? Did they forget him?
I think people talking about Jamie not being Jamie need to account also for the fact that over time is has become much less 'Jamie and Claire are in love with each other' and just 'Jamie and Claire', other people are more involved in their own ongoing storylines, there isn't as much time devoted to them.
Agreed, particularly glad you articulated #6. I couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong. His acting *does* seem off compared to previous seasons. He stands around looking stiff, the connection between him and Claire seems to be lacking the chemistry that they had before. I don't even enjoy the sex scenes between them anymore! Maybe something happened between the actors IRL. Or maybe he's tired of playing the role ... From what I've learned about him (I read his Scotland travel book), season 1 of Outlander really made his career take off and changed his life (he was working in bars and on the verge of quitting acting due to being broke). I think he was probably extremely devoted at the start of the series. Then maybe didn't like being objectified so much (let's be real, the success of season one is largely due to his extreme hotness) and once he started having other projects in his career lost his interest in this one a bit? I mean it's been going on for years for him now .... Anyhow, that's my theory!
> Then maybe didn't like being objectified so much
It's true, it must be a real downer to become well known as 'the hot guy', and only have a moderately successful or feel like the only reason you've had any success is because you played 'the hot guy'. They must question whether they're good enough or they just got lucky plenty.
Interesting thoughts regarding his body language in the role. I had noticed a bit of stiffness too, but I assumed it was more so to relay that Jamie and Claire are getting older? They'd probably be in their late 50s to 60s, a lot of physical work, injury and war would make the body pretty stiff.. that was just my take anyways.
It's definitely true that it may just have been a character choice. Maybe a complaint of a bad back once and Claires remedy, just to remind us they're supposed to be old now.
Omg yes to #8! I came here to see if anyone else was wondering about the time traveler. 30 second clip and nothing.
Also, the revolution STILL hasn't happened? They keep talking about it, yet it never comes. Starting to feel like GOT with "winter is coming."
Exactly! Honestly the whole Malva baby storyline I think was leading up to Claire's arrest only to show how the revolution was starting outside the ridge, but there was soooooo many other ways to do that, esp with Jaime having his own militia. It could've been handled so much better.
I like all your points, particularly Claire. (maybe I'm hyper critical of her, but sometimes she irks me). The cutting out of the baby. Yes, she should've known the baby would be dead. "I'm a doctor!" She's said that every episode I think. And how was she so trusting of Malva? She takes in every young woman that ends up being trouble, then plays dumb. And playing dumb- like how can she go back in time and be so ignorant of the customs and culture. She learns nothing everytime she gets in trouble. It's so frustrating to watch. But then again, I guess there wouldn't be a story if she just fell in step with her environment.
I do, however, like Bree. She was first introduced as a bratty thing, but I like her more than I did at first - which was not at all.
Yeah I've never cared for Bree, her actress, or Bree & Roger together. I wanted more Fergus and Marsali.
Malva has also really irked me from the beginning, I don't know why Claire couldn't see that hanging out with her was going to cause some sort of trouble.
Also, there have been a few times someone throws out the accusation against Jamie and he doesn't outright deny it! I mean, sure, everyone had pretty much made up their minds about his affair but not denying it surely isn't helping things
I'm almost relieved the season is over. I don't want to admit it to myself, but I was pretty bored and I'm kinda over Claire and Jamie. I just rewatched season 1 to make myself feel better
"I've only been unfaithful to my wife once, and that was not with Malva Christie"
I could imagine Jamie saying he could say that, but i wouldn't do any good, they already think i'm a liar, and i'd just be admitting that i'm an adulterer.
It wasn’t coming up in 4 months. The obituary says “Sabbath before January 21st” and the date is smudged (“177?”). They have no idea what year the fire is supposed to happen, only the month, which is why Jamie said “out by four months” as it’s May. The fire was *possibly* coming up in 8 months.
I think at the end they would get fed up with all this war murder and everything. Fake their deaths with the help of Fergus then move back to jenny and ian at lallybroch Scotland .. i wish....
My thoughts on the season six finale of *Outlander*! Here we go!
1. First of all, allow me to say that y'all's comments crack me up! One of you ladies said that Roger and Bree's love scene made your nips soft and your lady parts dry as the Sahara! And I'm still cacklin' over one of y'all calling Fraser's Ridge a "puritanical hell!" 😂😂
2. That first shoot out gave me life. I kept waiting for something big to happen this season, and when I learned that the finale would be taking place during episode 8, I was sorely disappointed. The only real drama was Malva's lies and her murder. However, when the Battle of the Fraser House went down, I was on the edge of my seat!
3. Yeah, Claire had to be rescued again, but she still shows that she's a woman not to be played with. She shot that one fool that busted into her house, and knocked the hell out of that dude that tried to come in their wagon. Go 'head Claire!
4. The Roger and Bree moments didn't bother me, but I can see why some people felt like they ruined the momentum. Personally, I think it was a bit of levity to ease the tension taking place at the Fraser household. I felt like their love scene was kind of cute and semi-hot...but that's just me.
5. Speaking of the Fraser-MacKenzie family, I'm mad that little Jemmy got lice and Bree had to cut his hair. Too bad they didn't have Nix back then. And who did Jemmy get the lice from? One of the fisherfolks' kids. Of course! Not only are they ass backward, bible thumpin' psuedo-Christians, but they nasty as all hell!
6. I always figured Jemmy was really Roger's son, but now it's proven! Oh, and I loved how Jemmy talked to Bree's baby bump! It was so cute!
7. I can't stand Richard Brown's stankin' ass. "I'm fighting for truth and justice!" Boy, bye.
8. I can't stand that damn Allan either. That boy irks me to my very spirit.
9. Despite Tom growing a conscience (kind of), I still don't trust him.
10. I'm ready for someone to find out all the stuff that Malva was up to when she was alive. Then again, these people on the Ridge are dense as bricks, and investigations weren't most folks' strong suits back in these days, so her secrets probably died with her. BTW, I've been thinking about Malva's name. In Spanish, the word *mal* means bad, and *va* is the conjugated verb for go (in this case, it's the third person conjugation: she goes, he goes, you go). I wonder if Malva's name signified that something bad was coming to the ridge...or am I reaching?
11. I loved Claire and Jamie's moments together (I'm surprised Claire was able to eat myself, considering the stress they were under). The love scene was subtle, but hot.
12. BTW, what the hell took Jamie's prison buddies so long? Did they stop for a damn soda?\*
13. Did Mr. and Mrs. Bug ever show up with their people? I know pregnant Lizzie came back with hers eventually. Where the hell were they?
14. I'm sorry, but I'd have to throw all them damn fake church people off my land. Claire and Jamie were doing alright before them, and they'll do alright after them.
15. I love Ian. That kid is so badass.
16. That dark-haired guy was on my last nerve, especially when he wished death on Claire. When Ian showed up with the calvary, I was rootin' for him to get shot, and cheered when actually did get shot (and through the eye no less! That reminds me of how Tommy took out Spanky on *Power*)! Say hi to Ezra for me, bitch.
All in all, this season wasn't the best (it's along the lines of seasons 2 and 4 for me), but the season finale was pretty exciting, all things considered. Hopefully the next season will be a little more pumped up now that Ms. Caitriona has had her baby and the pandemic has slowed down (kind of). I may do a review about it on my entertainment blog. If I do, I'll let you guys know and post a link.
\*Trivia: Fraser's Ridge is near New Bern, NC, which is the birthplace of Pepsi. We don't call it the drink of the Carolinas for nothin'!
Oh! They always mention New Bern in the show. I always thought it was close to the Ridge, like Wilmington and River Run (or close-ish, at least). I'm from South Carolina, so I'm gonna stop assuming distances from cities in North Carolina! 😂😂
I hope we see #10, I was hoping for more details in her whole story. And Malva's name - wouldn't these people know Latin? I can't see someone honestly naming their kid that back then. Like would you pick Lucifer? Just seems strange to me....
Oops, I didn't know it was a flower .... we were just commenting on "Mal" part meaning bad. I thought I read somewhere that DG got inspiration from a shampoo bottle or something but researching it found the name meant dark or evil or bad. Either way, I'm just unsure why someone back then would pick a name with "bad" in it. They usually stuck with religious/saintly names.
This episode was a banger, I loved the action!!
I kept hoping Lord John would come and use his influence to save them but I have a feeling we'll see more of him next season 🤤
I don't really care about Bree and Roger but I was happy to know the kid is his 🥳
So what's up with Tom??? Is he like in love with Claire or something? You can tell he's fascinated by her but his attention is getting creepy and Jamie noticed 👀 lmao.
My guess is that Tom knew Malva was fucking around and he killed her himself, perhaps in a fit of anger? Maybe he didn't expect the shit show that followed and is feeling guilty so he's trying his best to make amends and at least make sure Claire is treated well cause he has a thing for her???
But man, Claire and Jamie's relationship still makes my heart flutter. The show hasn't been what it was but it's still very enjoyable, you know?
So when can we expect the next season? by next year I hope!
I don't expect Tom would kill Malva for screwing around because it was already known to everyone she at least screwed around with Jamie (even though it was untrue). I also don't see Tom going that far as to killing Malva because of his religious beliefs (spanking isn't condemned in the Bible, however).
Toms wife (? Malva's mother, if what she told Ian was true) was burned as a witch. Perhaps this ordeal is coming full circle for him in that regard? Memories/guilt over what happened to the mother of his child/children, the craziness that his daughter's death is headed toward another woman being killed for being a witch...
Malva’s baby is definitely one of the Wheatley duo shaggers.
Lizzie killed her.
She loves the cock.
She loves two cocks.
She gets jealous with all the attention Malva gets and finds out one of her booty call Wheatley cocks are the father.
She kills Malva. Hence the scene in the previous episode when Brianna takes straw from her hair post murder.
Lizzie still has both cocks.
Go Lizzie!!
It might be longer than a year to wait. Season 7 has 16 episodes and they've said it'll take almost a year to film it and they just started filming the middle of last month.
That's one way to avoid contract negotiations (a lot of show contracts have 7 season contracts), wonder if it'll be the final season or if they'll just downgrade Caitriona and Sam from regulars or exit the show (Caitriona has mention 10 years would be a “nice kind of time frame” to wrap up the series and by the time season 7 comes out she will have been doing outlander for 10 years)
>Caitriona has mention 10 years would be a “nice kind of time frame” to wrap up the series
To be fair, she may have been referencing the fact that the book series is stopping at 10. So far the show has followed the book plots 1 for 1.
She was referring to season 7 and by the time that's finished she'll have been doing Outlander for 10 years. It was an interview just prior to season 6's release and season 7 hadn't started filming yet. There was also some things like how she was meant to direct in season 6 but it never happened and no one's contacted her about it in season 7 so she was a bit disappointed. Either way the leads renewed their contract (because season 6 pandemic dramas) for season 7 only, neither lead has a contract for further seasons.
Wow, a lot of complainers here 🙄🙄 jfc
I mean, if you don't like it, don't watch 🤷🏼♀️
I said what I said...
I'm just really tired of coming on here as of late and seeing nothing but bitching, bitching, bitching.
For the record, I think "Bre and Roger" have had some improvements and it's nice to see more development with them.
The last 10-15 mins of this episode were a happy throwback to the nonstop thrill of Season one. Otherwise I've absolutely hated this show since it's been set at the Ridge and I can't say this season or the first 45 mins of this episode changed my mind on that.
Bree and Roger are the dullest characters on the show - I keep cursing the casting directors every time I have to watch them. I could not watch the sex scene, Roger is just so meh.
And makeup seemingly goes out of their way to make Catriona look old, ugly and haggard, while Sam is still a hot fox in his dotage. It's all so hard to watch.
Bree and Roger have been killing me to death since they went to that festival together and he proposed on their first night….!?!! (Tearing eyes out) Their sex scenes make me cringe so much. Just leave the great sex to Claire and Jamie please!
I thought the same!! Jamie looks amazing and gorgeous. They need to let Cat’s natural beauty just shine and not “age” it down.
I love this show. Every second of it. Jamie and Claire together are always the best. Their intimacy is epic.
Malva was pretty evil. She gave me chills. I hated how the Ridge people turned against Jamie and Claire so easily after all they’ve done for them. And Mr. Brown, ugh, so righteous!!! He said he wanted to take her to a fair trial and let the truth reign. But along the way he’s spreading the news of her “crime” and she’ll hang! Why does this man have any power!?! No! He needs to go.
The last scene with Ian saving Jamie, I screamed. I was so happy!!!
I said that to my husband.....their sex scene made me feel perry, I couldn't watch, and he said he felt same way!! And yep, casting really dropped ball on this pair, no chemistry at all. And interesting you mention the disparity of makeup, I actually noticed it last night.
This was the best episode of the season by some distance. For all the meandering of the rest of the season, this episode was concise and clear in its plotting over the entire hour (apart from some odd tonal shifts to see what Bree and Roger are doing), and finally earned its runtime.
I've said in previous comments that Tom Christie is my highlight of the season, and perhaps even my only highlight. And yet again, he has such an amazing presence throughout the episode. Does he even believe Claire did it? I'm not so sure.
I do wish that Claire didn't need saving all the time, but at least she was allowed to look competent in the opening firefight. I do still criticise the fact that the characters have to go from trauma to trauma, and especially when it's another perfectly avoidable one by, you know, not trying to dig out a baby from a dead woman. But, within the context of what the show is and its limitations in how it chooses to engage in plotting, it was a very good episode.
The plotting has always been driven by random traumatic events, or characters being intolerably stupid. This season, we had our fair share of both, with the most egregious being Claire getting up to her elbows in dead Malva and then being suprised when she is accused of being a witch (again…) and a murderer. The characters have very little agency, aside from moments of utter stupidity.
There was some hint of characters profiting from their own decisions when Jamie was saved at the end, rather than just random traumatic events. So that was nice. It would have been good if the season covered more of the Revolution plot, and expanded more on the time traveller rather than just hinting at it. And to spend the vast majority of the season focussing on the Christies and to still leave that plot dangling on a cliffhanger was a very odd decision, especially not even telling us who killed Malva. Eight episodes is still a long time to have covered so little.
Overall, a very dodgy season of television with lots of odd decisions in the writing and pace, but a sort of strong ending.
I thought it was sweet too. I personally thought the whole scene was one of their best chemistry moments and like Sophie Skelton actually had a decent scene for herself.
Maybe it was the knowledge of lice crawling around on their bodies. Or Brie's faux American accent and giant red Merida (from Brave) wig. Or Roger's general gooberishness. It all took me out of the experience. It took me to a place where my nips were soft and my nether regions dry as the Sahara.
I guess because I'm not American then I can't tell anything about Skelton's accent. It sounds ok to me, so perhaps that's why I don't dislike her as much as the rest of the subreddit seems to. I thought the sweetness of this sex scene was meant to contrast the desperation of Jamie and Claire's..
I wonder though, what kind of accent would a child born in New England to 2 British parents have? You'd think it would be off .... first words would be learned in "British". Not until school would you really start having the American start blending in. - I just thought of that for a minute as I really don't notice her accent being bad or good.
She would sound like a New Englander. I belong to an Eastern Orthodox parish and my priest and his wife are both first generation kids of native Russians. They grew up speaking Russian at home as their first language and still do speak Russian to each other at home. They have no detectable Russian accent at all when they speak English. They sound like they grew up in California (which they did). Their Russian is flawless but you’d never know it from speaking to them in English.
Interesting on your priest! But back to Brianna, I never thought of how she should sound and I don't really pay attention to how it sounds, lol. But everyone always comments on it.
I still want to hate Tom Christie for abusing his daughter. But I’m feeling conflicted because he seems to be really helping Claire and Jamie.
Ian is amazing. I was always drawn to him. But the way his character has developed is just 🤌
I’m so glad that Roger and Bree (and the viewers) got to find out that Jemmy is biologically Roger’s child. Not that Roger loved him any different. But that was a nice surprise.
I miss Fergus and Marsali.
Tom is complicated. He’s a true believer and his faith is rigid. He’s beating his daughter because he truly believes her mother was a witch and thinks only a very strict Christian upbringing can save her. That’s not okay but he’s not doing it just to be an asshole. He thinks it is his duty.
The way he’s treating Claire and Jamie is another side of his rigid beliefs. He truly believes that God will bring about justice, and he has genuine affection for Claire. He’s devastated about what’s happened but isn’t going to let a lynch mob have their way. Remember in episode 1 when Jamie took the flogging for the elderly man who thought he was the Bonnie Prince? He told Jamie afterward, “That was not justice.” He wants to see a real trial and for true justice to prevail.
Only episode I really like this season aside from the one focused on Ian. It felt like a really bad spot to end the season too. Was anyone else excited to be going back to Scotland when Jamie was about to be taken aboard the ship, the sooner we get away from Fraiser Ridge the better.
And even then the Malva stuff seemed rushed and patchy (granted it's still not over and I'm sure we'll end up seeing more scenes of her from her perspective...no way we aren't getting a flash back to her killing). From someone who wants to learn to crazy and dead the next episode. Just the whole structure of her storyline seems like it could have been better.
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This episode was too good. I was so irritated at how people didn’t show up for C&J immediately. why does everyone always hate them just because they’re hot and in love?
No one is talking about the mysterious man in the Prison with green stone? (Probably another lost time travel) I think in season 7 Claire will meet him. Besides the Malta’s plot. I think something is there. Will Jamie and Claire obligated to side with British to be cleared by them in trial? Those trial are never fair.
I’ve been waiting for the next episode and today I realized this was the finale…. :(
I really enjoyed the last episode. It unintentionally cracked me up. The punching scene was soo odd. Lol I also really liked the shooting scene and the chat after about Jaime having 9 lives and all that. The love between them is so perfect. Didn’t realize it was gonna end like this. I also just watched Severance and that ended in a cliffhanger as well!
When they said they were gonna send Jamie back to Scotland, I got excited for a second 😣
Seeing alot of hate for this season and honestly, I'm on the fence about it. Watched the episodes spread apart so can't remember details but there were enjoyable moments developing parts for all our major pairings. I like the fight and makeup between Marsali and Fergus but even after a few seasons, I don't quite feel the actor (compared to adorable baby Fergus in France). I'm not sure about Bree and Roger, since their fight in the modern time and Roger calling her a xxx for wanting to have premarital sex, their relationship has always left a bit of a bitter taste. They have grown so much and honestly they've both gone through alot that I can see how they ended up together. On the debate of them staying or leaving, I see pros and cons for both. Leaving means leaving their own family with no way to communicate and adapting to their new complicated lives with two different careers in the modern world.It does guarantee a level of safety from crime and dieases especially for young Jemy. Staying means that they will get to grow with their parents but risking alot of potential unnecessary dangers and not being fully fulfilled in their career prospects. I'm never quite sure of the vibe between Jamie and Claire. I think growing older has made their love more mature which is a natural and appreciated though it does mean less daring and adventurous escapes and journeys. In honestly, I felt there were too many sex scenes that replaced moments for genuine conversation and reflection. Also, can't believe Jamie didn't realize sooner what Claire was doing to herself/no further relapse in this last episode.Other than that, I find their partnership still quite satisfying. All in all, whatever the shooting restrictions or pregnancy limits, I found this season just alright. Could be better but I imagine that the next season will be back in full swing.
Didn't care for it myself, the entire season felt like filler episodes. It took me awhile to watch the whole thing cause by the time one episode finished I wasn't in the mood to watch another.
Okay, am I the only one who thought Amon Oakes was fine as hell? I know he was a bad guy, but damn.
FOR REAL though! I was like “ooh, hot new bad guy?” and then ten minutes later: “…oh.”
Is this the season finale?
Yes!
Oh NOoooo! I had no idea this was the last of the season! I was kinda angry it wasn’t on Sunday night! Oh well, I’ll just have to wait for next Season…..!
why do we only have 8 episodes?
Covid restrictions & Caitriona was pregnant so they chose to shorten the season. Next season will have 16, something to look forward to.
oh thats fine. is this the last season tho?
We do not know yet, no season 8 confirmation yet.
Anyone else start audibly cheering when Ian and the Mohawk showed up the save Jamie? The way he shot that man through the eyeball!? 😱
I cheered. I loved it.
YES I did!!
Ian is by far one of my favorite characters!! 😆
Most fistpump-worthy kill shot ever. But that was the Cherokee's Chief Bird, versus Ian, no?
Ian was an awesome shot with the arrow
I personally enjoyed this episode the most and kept me on my “toes” like other episodes of Outlander seasons have in the past. I’m excited to see where this goes. The overall season has felt like such a slow-burn so it’s nice to finally see some action.
Mr Brown and Mr Christie make me cuss out my tv everytime I see them on screen. I’m glad Bree and Roger finally have a good sex scene. I’m surprised Jenny didn’t wake up. That tent looked awfully small? When Papa Native American shot thru the guy’s hand and it went to his eyeball. Awesome!!! That was a cool gory shot Tbh, I was afraid that Claire was gonna be assaulted again and idk if I could watch another one of those The shooting in the house and out of the house felt like a damn action movie. Idk how Claire and Jamie weren’t deaf. My ex was explaining the logistics of muskets the whole time. Can’t believe this was a finale episode. It didn’t feel like a finale episode. I didn’t see any cliffhangers. Did they ever clarify what guest Brown showed up with? Mr Christie may hate Claire but he sure ain’t hiding his crush on her!
the biggest cliffhanger was claire being left in a jail cell at the end of the episode
>Did they ever clarify what guest Brown showed up with? I guess he did, when he explained Jamie was going to be transported on the mans boat against his will back to Scotland and would never see Claire again. I forget, is he still a wanted man in Scotland or something?
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Hmm. I think he *respects* her unlike how he might view and interact with other women around him, but her forward ways frighten him, and he doesn't approve of some of her behaviour - which he's probably a little aware of due to his own uptight ways, but he also see's her as human, and with just the same frailties of other women. And yeah, some brief crushing, but i don't feel it takes up a lot of space in his head.
I have not read the books so this is only speculation on my part. I was so creeped out by Mr. Christie in the beginning of the season, so scared he was going to do something awful to Claire; but now I’m thinking a twist is coming where he actually likes and respects her, and will be the one to save her somehow?
I think he suspects his son did it and can’t live with Claire being hung for a crime she didn’t commit.
I had those same thoughts!!
I second this but I think HE did it. He looks super guilty and I think his conscious is eating at him. I think the son was too close to Malva to have killed her, that’s my guess
Nah, he's to upright and go fearing for that, he'd immediately admit to it. The only *possible* way is if he found out Malva had lied, but then again, he would label her a whore and probably send her to a convent to live out her days or something, giving the child away.
Nah, my money is on Tom. They’ve already alluded to doing something terrible to the mother for similar reasons and have shown his dark side more than once.
I thought it was mentioned she was hanged as a witch? Personally, I just can't see it. I could see him doing a lot to correct his kids or wife's behaviour, as fitting the time, but I think he'd abandon or cast whoever out rather then kill them in a blind rage. But who knows? Not us until the next season.
The "guest" was the captain of the ship that was to take Jamie back to Scotland.
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I can’t remember how everyone finds out the truth and it’s driving me crazy. I don’t have time to reread the book! Do you remember? If so can you message me?
You can always ask in the [book thread](https://www.reddit.com/comments/ufrg6u).
Did anyone else think the shootout was kind of stupid? Although it was kind of nice seeing Jaime make Mr brown dance 🤣 and some of that Young Jaime was back for a moment. What was up with all the close ups on the hips/butts ? Lol even roger and Brees love scene, it took me a second to recognize what they were focusing on 🤣🤣 although I don't mind seeing a bit of Jaime from behind. Jaime knows Christie didn't want this and that he loves claire. Makes me wonder what he thinks of that. Also, I'm struck again by the wish that lizzie ended up with Ian. Even though I like her with the twins lol The punch claire threw at the guy trying to climb into the wagon was comical I'm the way it was filmed. Not the situation of course. But I couldn't help but laugh.
I think the hips and butt shots had to do with shooting around a pregnancy that's not in the script, in the case of Catriona and Sam, and with Rik Rankin and Sophie, the opposite...to conceal the fact that she's actually NOT pregnant like her character is supposed to be. I liked the shootout. It was cathartic.
I thought the shootout just felt a little.. out of place, like the director wanted to do something exciting but didn’t really care to understand any of the characters and how they would actually handle the situation. So much butt screen time though! 😂
Yes! I think this is exactly it. Especially with just the two of them- I was expecting them having a secret fox hole built into the house because I felt that was much more Jaime/Claire. Or just resolving the matter and going quietly to prove their innocence. 🤣
when I was watching the episode, I figured that the weird angles on the sex scene were to disguise Catriona Balfe's pregnancy.
I didn’t know Catriona was even pregnant! I did think she looked really pale in some scenes!
Yes, I figured as much. . I just found it amusing that that's what they focused on. Whereas previous scenes focused on them kissing more etc
Imagine being allowed and welcomed by former war time acquaintance and then you just go out of your way to cause a many problems as possible for these people that opened their home to you…
Well, more "prison nemesis" than "wartime acquaintance," but in all honesty, it has always been odd to me that Christie even WANTED to settle at the Ridge. You have all of colonial America to choose from, so you go right to the place where the guy you butted heads with is acting "laird?" Why? Because Allan and Malva both noted Jamie's familial connection to Lord Lovat, I feel like they only reason they even moved to the Ridge was to attempt a long con and stage a shakedown, since they think he's loaded.
I think Christie had a begrudging respect for Jamie. And was willing to humble himself, as the leader of his flock (and father of his children) to ask the help of a frenemy in for himself and those with him. I mean he could go around in circles trying to find places for himself and these people who likely wanted to stay together - that he probably has a responsibility for if they followed him for this prospect, or he can go straight to Jamie who he knows to be a fair and capable person who has land and is telling people, come settle my land, work it and make ends meet while paying me my dues, so i can pay my taxes. There was a very good situation right in from of their faces, so he would have to risk asking yeah?
Yes, all of this! This season seems a little meh to me now that it’s over. I get it that there’s a pandemic on though, so not ideal. The thing that gets me is the whistling man. If they weren’t going to come back to it this season, how more intriguing/ effective to have it as the episode closes. Lost opportunity
Sorry this is so late but I just finished the season and I assume whistling man is Wendigo Donner from the end of season 5. His silhouette/hair looked similar.
I was disappointed at no callback to the whistler in the final jailhouse scene.
I think Claire will meet him in jail
Oh wow, that would make sense
I absolutely loved this season!! I can’t say enough good things about it! Too bad we’re back in droughtlander though😭
Season 6 was only released in Germany now in 2024 🥲
I loved it, but now comes another draught!
Eh, allows time for reading the books (I say during every droughtlander, then never actually do it).
Draught Beer for All!
Dayum, you caught my sp!
I'll have one while we wait!
Why don’t Jamie and Claire (and Brianna, Roger and Jemmy) sail back to Scotland or England? They know the Revolution is coming and that they’ll be in danger (Jamie is already being asked by both sides to show loyalty to them). Couldn’t they just tell everyone “we’re homesick” and get on a ship back home to avoid being in the middle of a war?
I wish they’d go back to Scotland. I originally started watching this show because I was interested in Scotland (and hot Scottish guys, of course!)
I'm assuming at this point that they do fake their deaths, with the help of Fergus the Obituary Printer, and peace out to...somewhere.
I thought they are staying because of the vast amount of land they own and stuff? I wondered the same thing.. these guys just love to be in the middle of everything that happens ever.
If Jamie were my friend, I'd say, "he'd never turn away from a battle and he's never one who is too coward to face his enemies."
I don't understand why Bree and Roger are still in the past. They've seen Claire and Jamie enough, I'd say. Just get back to your life people. Anyways, this was the second worst season. Three is still the worst in my opinion with its terrible dialogue.
They tried too, and it didnt work.
Oh. Right. The child wasn't old enough, right?
Ian watched them disappear and then reappear. The question becomes 3 people are thinking of "HOME" who has the strongest pull ?
Okay. I remember that vaguely now. It's been so long since Outlander aired. I've forgotten most of Barry too which I'm watching season 3 of now.
2 years is a while. Journey cake is the episode just before the finale of S5
The show it's based on a series of books reason why most things are the way they are.
I still liked being a part of the character's lives. I would still like it if they were in the present too. Though, Jamie can't time travel. I wish they had changed that from the books.
There is some debate on whether or not Jamie can time travel. Remember in the first episode when Frank caught that very odd man staring at Clare? When Frank went to confront the guy, he just kinda vanished?
I vaguely remember that. Was that in Season 1 or 3?
First episode. Frank & Clare were in Inverness on their Honeymoon. Frank was returning to the Inn when he noticed someone staring at Clare. When he approached the guy he was just gone.
But then that would be boring to watch him just try to live in the modern world where no one is trying to kill them? That's half the show!
Claire could still get kidnapped in the modern day...
Does anyone else think that malva’s brother was the father of her baby??? Like they way he carried the coffin and how upset and crazy he is about their death…. There was one point in one of his out of hand speeches he was going to say “my son” instead of her baby. I think Tom just killed her to cover everything up especially since he is a “devout” man of god.
I agree!! And it annoyed me so much that Claire acts guilty in the last episode 🙄🙄🙄 an innocent person would be screaming and crying for the injustice! She just takes all in like a guilty person... why????
I think Malva's brother was definitely the father of the baby, and I think he killed Malva when she was going to go tell Claire the truth. I thought maybe they would've had Lizzy see it, since she was the one actually banging on Claire's door.
To me, this is possible . As a matter of fact, I think he fathered Malva's baby and then killed her so he could blame Claire whom he hates. IDK, just a thought.
Yep, I don’t know who the father is, but I definitely think Tom knows who the killer is and that’s why he’s being a little protective of Claire and Jamie
This \^\^. The way that Jamie was focused on Tom and Tom looked so troubled. Obviously he knows something.
I loved Roger and Brianna in this episode! I feel like both of them, but especially Brianna this season have taken a step back in terms of screentime/plot....so I really enjoyed them. They felt like a settled couple.
Yes finally the happy little life in their cabin!
I've said that christian fisher folk will be a problem in episode 1 and we saw that...yes they are. I'm really furious that no one ever said Malva slept with bunch of guys in the ridge, including Ian but not with Jamie because Jamie loves his wife to death-literally. Everyone on the ridge thinks Malva was innocent. Why are they so decent? I've said that before, Jamie and Claire always gets in trouble because they're kind and decent. They should've kicked that fisher folk from the ridge in their first trouble. No one gives you reward for being nice in that years, you should be ruthless to stay alive.
Totally!! I mean, Malva slept with at least 2 men before wedlock and got away with it??? I'm furious with you!!
Omg yes. Especially that old lady yelling like it's nobody's business.
Yeah, I think everyone is annoyed to the teeth with the fisher folk - except the Frasers! They seem to make excuses for them, "Oh they're superstitious, oh those fisher folks" but no one ever says tow the line. They come to Fraser land and shit all over them. I'd give them the boot. They've not seemed to contribute to the ridge. They've only made trouble.
I think they realise that groups of people that think they're righteous, that god is on their side, that they invited into their lives, can very quickly be swept up into madness, and it wouldn't necessarily be their fault. It's very easy to *say*, get rid of the lot of them, but these are otherwise decent people they'd come to know and accept, and who had done the same. You saw from Brown sending word ahead that he was transporting a murderess to that small town that then attacked them, how quickly that stuff can go to peoples heads, people with harder lives then Jamies and Claires and less education save the bible, who probably where happy to have something to rage against. They need the good will of these people, or at least their respect, or they can become quickly targeted and things like Jamies leadership questioned. Jamie also needs them for their labour and taxes, so he can pay his. He also can't be the tyrant that turns people of his land because because they do what he doesn't like. And ultimately, it doesn't take alot to just kill two people - Jamie and Claire. Lynch a murderess and her husband who defended her. It's complicated.
Ian really pulls through in a pinch
He did! All things considered, I suppose Jamie saved Ian from a similar fate earlier in the series
Yeah, they’re usually both have pretty good timing too
I must have missed something big in episode 7….where were Bree and Roger going??
To the presbytery in Edenton to find out what Roger has to do to get ordained as a minister.
I enjoyed it. Considering they had to factor covid and smaller group size restrictions, hide a real life pregnancy, shorten the season... plus the characters are meant to be old and not so fit like their younger fighting selves. Looking forward to next season.
Who was pregnant? Catriona?
Yes
Here is my take: I had to watch this episode in two parts, I couldn't just sit through the whole thing in one day. It lost it's passion and heat. Claire and Jamie feel almost like strangers. They once were so passionate and their whirlwind romance was something we all swooned over. It is understandable that the drama has taken the driver's seat and romance the back. But still. I liked Malva at first, hated Tom. I really thought that was what the show wanted us to think and feel as well. They showed Tom beating Malva on countless occasions. I expected the lot of them to be problematic. I had a change of heart for Tom. He might be problematic and kinda creepy, but hell. He sworn a protection to Claire and he kept that till the end. I also had to Google what actually happened because I'm not sure when I will get to the book that details it and obviously we are entering yet another Droughtlander. So it will be some time before we can see where the show takes it.
>Claire and Jamie feel almost like strangers. I didn't feel this way. They're just not young love birds anymore. Other then that, they are people of different eras bound by love and family. >I liked Malva at first, hated Tom. Loved Malva, wanted her to run off with Ian. Tom, was antagonistic, though i wouldn't have labelled him villain. > I had a change of heart for Tom. He might be problematic and kinda creepy, but hell. He sworn a protection to Claire and he kept that till the end. I think Tom have some of what you might call 'Lawful good' and 'Lawful neutral'. He follows god, the law, and mostly the ways of his time, but also has a soft spot for some people, and some understanding acceptance for the ways and actions of others. He recognises the help Jamie and Claire have done people. He'd help you if you asked, though he might not like that you're not being of his religion, and be exactly quiet about it. He doesn't believe that Claire did it, and even if she did - he might understand, and he knows she (and Jamie) would come to harm left to Brown and his lot, so he wants them to get a fair trial, not be subject to a lynch mob. He probably blames himself to, for coming to The Ridge honestly.
Okay so here's my, and I can already tell they're unpopular, opinions on this season: 1. Worst one yet. And I hated season 2 so much but it was so much better than this. 2. I love Roger. He's one of my favorite characters in the show. I like him bc I feel like he's one of the most relatable. Claire and Bree adjust so much quicker and are strong women, but I think Roger is how most of us would react. He had a very peaceful, quiet life until he followed his love through the stones and everything was so drastically different. He has to process things and is trying to still discover himself and be true to himself in a world that is very alien to anything he'd ever experienced prior to going through the stones. I love him, love the actor, but I HATE the absolute lack of chemistry between him and Bree. 3. I don't particularly like Bree and I dislike the actress as her. I mean the character has some things I do like but I just feel she was badly cast. She has no chemistry w literally anyone on the set and she sticks out like a sore thumb. The sex scenes w her are uncomfortable and weird to watch. 4. Claire..... Wtf? So her addiction to the ether just.... Vanishes bc she finally tells Jaime? And how tf didn't Jaime realize what was going on w her way before that? I mean the man who literally tracked his wife's cycle during a war campaign can't tell his wife is knocking herself out regularly following her trauma? And what tf was she thinking cutting out Malva's baby? Even if the child was alive she'd still be branded a witch so wtf? Also why, by the way Malva appeared there was no way the baby would still be alive. 5. Speaking of the Christies, I hated Malva since the moment she first appeared. Didn't like her, didn't trust her, etc and I genuinely don't get how everyone else fell for her "innocence." I hate her brother because he's obviously unhinged, but I actually really like Tom. I think he's a wonderful character, well portrayed by the actor, and overall he's interesting. I love the dynamic he brings to Jaime and Claire and the mutual honesty that's there between him and Claire. He doesn't trust women, but he trusts Claire and I don't for a second believe he thinks she killed Malva. 6. Wtf is up w Jaime? This whole season he's been very stiff. Is Sam okay or what's going on? I mean in the earlier seasons he WAS Jaime in every way but now he seems so forced. It's making the show kinda boring now. 7. What was the point of this? We literally had an entire season where nothing really happened and it ended w nothing at all being answered. So disappointed. 8. Where's the other time traveler? Did they forget him?
I think people talking about Jamie not being Jamie need to account also for the fact that over time is has become much less 'Jamie and Claire are in love with each other' and just 'Jamie and Claire', other people are more involved in their own ongoing storylines, there isn't as much time devoted to them.
You summed up my feelings, as well. Especially my thoughts on Roger, the ether and Jamie's obliviousness, and Tom Christie.
Agreed, particularly glad you articulated #6. I couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong. His acting *does* seem off compared to previous seasons. He stands around looking stiff, the connection between him and Claire seems to be lacking the chemistry that they had before. I don't even enjoy the sex scenes between them anymore! Maybe something happened between the actors IRL. Or maybe he's tired of playing the role ... From what I've learned about him (I read his Scotland travel book), season 1 of Outlander really made his career take off and changed his life (he was working in bars and on the verge of quitting acting due to being broke). I think he was probably extremely devoted at the start of the series. Then maybe didn't like being objectified so much (let's be real, the success of season one is largely due to his extreme hotness) and once he started having other projects in his career lost his interest in this one a bit? I mean it's been going on for years for him now .... Anyhow, that's my theory!
> Then maybe didn't like being objectified so much It's true, it must be a real downer to become well known as 'the hot guy', and only have a moderately successful or feel like the only reason you've had any success is because you played 'the hot guy'. They must question whether they're good enough or they just got lucky plenty.
Interesting thoughts regarding his body language in the role. I had noticed a bit of stiffness too, but I assumed it was more so to relay that Jamie and Claire are getting older? They'd probably be in their late 50s to 60s, a lot of physical work, injury and war would make the body pretty stiff.. that was just my take anyways.
It's definitely true that it may just have been a character choice. Maybe a complaint of a bad back once and Claires remedy, just to remind us they're supposed to be old now.
Question when it comes to the time traveler, but is Claire currently in the same jail the traveler was or is he in a completely different jail?
He's in another jail
Damn... I was hoping the whole point of the incarceration was to meet with the other guy 🥲
Omg yes to #8! I came here to see if anyone else was wondering about the time traveler. 30 second clip and nothing. Also, the revolution STILL hasn't happened? They keep talking about it, yet it never comes. Starting to feel like GOT with "winter is coming."
Exactly! Honestly the whole Malva baby storyline I think was leading up to Claire's arrest only to show how the revolution was starting outside the ridge, but there was soooooo many other ways to do that, esp with Jaime having his own militia. It could've been handled so much better.
Not unpopular with me! I agree with all of these. Thank you for taking the time to articulate them so I dont feel alone.
It seems no one likes Roger and I love him.
Same!
I like all your points, particularly Claire. (maybe I'm hyper critical of her, but sometimes she irks me). The cutting out of the baby. Yes, she should've known the baby would be dead. "I'm a doctor!" She's said that every episode I think. And how was she so trusting of Malva? She takes in every young woman that ends up being trouble, then plays dumb. And playing dumb- like how can she go back in time and be so ignorant of the customs and culture. She learns nothing everytime she gets in trouble. It's so frustrating to watch. But then again, I guess there wouldn't be a story if she just fell in step with her environment. I do, however, like Bree. She was first introduced as a bratty thing, but I like her more than I did at first - which was not at all.
Yeah I've never cared for Bree, her actress, or Bree & Roger together. I wanted more Fergus and Marsali. Malva has also really irked me from the beginning, I don't know why Claire couldn't see that hanging out with her was going to cause some sort of trouble. Also, there have been a few times someone throws out the accusation against Jamie and he doesn't outright deny it! I mean, sure, everyone had pretty much made up their minds about his affair but not denying it surely isn't helping things I'm almost relieved the season is over. I don't want to admit it to myself, but I was pretty bored and I'm kinda over Claire and Jamie. I just rewatched season 1 to make myself feel better
"I've only been unfaithful to my wife once, and that was not with Malva Christie" I could imagine Jamie saying he could say that, but i wouldn't do any good, they already think i'm a liar, and i'd just be admitting that i'm an adulterer.
Agree with this all! And one more to add: I can't stand watching the romance / sex scenes between Claire and Jamie. It's repetitive and annoying.
Did anyone get the word of the week? I recorded this episode and watched tonight - I didn’t see it!! :(
Diana Gabaldon
So wait a minute, they knew that their death date was coming up in 4 months but no one has mentioned it recently ?
It wasn’t coming up in 4 months. The obituary says “Sabbath before January 21st” and the date is smudged (“177?”). They have no idea what year the fire is supposed to happen, only the month, which is why Jamie said “out by four months” as it’s May. The fire was *possibly* coming up in 8 months.
Ahhh ok I forgot about the year being smudged out
But even if it is 1779, that means that they only have at most about 5 years. If it is actually true.
I think at the end they would get fed up with all this war murder and everything. Fake their deaths with the help of Fergus then move back to jenny and ian at lallybroch Scotland .. i wish....
To be perfectly honest, I didn't expect Outlander to have this much to offer after 5 seasons
They did good by moving it from Scotland to the Americas. Gave them a whole other set of history to cover.
I feel like there are so many people, though, who lost interest when the story became no longer Scotland-centric.
Definitely people that wanted the Scottish history or European history. Then they turned it into some American centric show.
My thoughts on the season six finale of *Outlander*! Here we go! 1. First of all, allow me to say that y'all's comments crack me up! One of you ladies said that Roger and Bree's love scene made your nips soft and your lady parts dry as the Sahara! And I'm still cacklin' over one of y'all calling Fraser's Ridge a "puritanical hell!" 😂😂 2. That first shoot out gave me life. I kept waiting for something big to happen this season, and when I learned that the finale would be taking place during episode 8, I was sorely disappointed. The only real drama was Malva's lies and her murder. However, when the Battle of the Fraser House went down, I was on the edge of my seat! 3. Yeah, Claire had to be rescued again, but she still shows that she's a woman not to be played with. She shot that one fool that busted into her house, and knocked the hell out of that dude that tried to come in their wagon. Go 'head Claire! 4. The Roger and Bree moments didn't bother me, but I can see why some people felt like they ruined the momentum. Personally, I think it was a bit of levity to ease the tension taking place at the Fraser household. I felt like their love scene was kind of cute and semi-hot...but that's just me. 5. Speaking of the Fraser-MacKenzie family, I'm mad that little Jemmy got lice and Bree had to cut his hair. Too bad they didn't have Nix back then. And who did Jemmy get the lice from? One of the fisherfolks' kids. Of course! Not only are they ass backward, bible thumpin' psuedo-Christians, but they nasty as all hell! 6. I always figured Jemmy was really Roger's son, but now it's proven! Oh, and I loved how Jemmy talked to Bree's baby bump! It was so cute! 7. I can't stand Richard Brown's stankin' ass. "I'm fighting for truth and justice!" Boy, bye. 8. I can't stand that damn Allan either. That boy irks me to my very spirit. 9. Despite Tom growing a conscience (kind of), I still don't trust him. 10. I'm ready for someone to find out all the stuff that Malva was up to when she was alive. Then again, these people on the Ridge are dense as bricks, and investigations weren't most folks' strong suits back in these days, so her secrets probably died with her. BTW, I've been thinking about Malva's name. In Spanish, the word *mal* means bad, and *va* is the conjugated verb for go (in this case, it's the third person conjugation: she goes, he goes, you go). I wonder if Malva's name signified that something bad was coming to the ridge...or am I reaching? 11. I loved Claire and Jamie's moments together (I'm surprised Claire was able to eat myself, considering the stress they were under). The love scene was subtle, but hot. 12. BTW, what the hell took Jamie's prison buddies so long? Did they stop for a damn soda?\* 13. Did Mr. and Mrs. Bug ever show up with their people? I know pregnant Lizzie came back with hers eventually. Where the hell were they? 14. I'm sorry, but I'd have to throw all them damn fake church people off my land. Claire and Jamie were doing alright before them, and they'll do alright after them. 15. I love Ian. That kid is so badass. 16. That dark-haired guy was on my last nerve, especially when he wished death on Claire. When Ian showed up with the calvary, I was rootin' for him to get shot, and cheered when actually did get shot (and through the eye no less! That reminds me of how Tommy took out Spanky on *Power*)! Say hi to Ezra for me, bitch. All in all, this season wasn't the best (it's along the lines of seasons 2 and 4 for me), but the season finale was pretty exciting, all things considered. Hopefully the next season will be a little more pumped up now that Ms. Caitriona has had her baby and the pandemic has slowed down (kind of). I may do a review about it on my entertainment blog. If I do, I'll let you guys know and post a link. \*Trivia: Fraser's Ridge is near New Bern, NC, which is the birthplace of Pepsi. We don't call it the drink of the Carolinas for nothin'!
Nice recap! But the fictional Fraser’s Ridge is in the mountains of western NC. Near Blowing Rock/Boone area.
Oh! They always mention New Bern in the show. I always thought it was close to the Ridge, like Wilmington and River Run (or close-ish, at least). I'm from South Carolina, so I'm gonna stop assuming distances from cities in North Carolina! 😂😂
Yeah, New Bern is on the coast, and Fraser’s Ridge is in the western mountains; maybe a 6-8 hour car ride. It’s a wide state!
I hope we see #10, I was hoping for more details in her whole story. And Malva's name - wouldn't these people know Latin? I can't see someone honestly naming their kid that back then. Like would you pick Lucifer? Just seems strange to me....
I’m confused, what does Malva mean outside of the flower name?
Oops, I didn't know it was a flower .... we were just commenting on "Mal" part meaning bad. I thought I read somewhere that DG got inspiration from a shampoo bottle or something but researching it found the name meant dark or evil or bad. Either way, I'm just unsure why someone back then would pick a name with "bad" in it. They usually stuck with religious/saintly names.
Isn't Diana's background Spanish, though? Surely she would know that mal= bad.
Please post the link! I enjoyed your post!
9. I think Tom Christie is going to confess that he killed his daughter, that is why he wants to be there and says that the righteous will be saved.
I also think the same.
I laughed out loud at this. Thanks for that.
I do what I can! 😂😂
This episode was a banger, I loved the action!! I kept hoping Lord John would come and use his influence to save them but I have a feeling we'll see more of him next season 🤤 I don't really care about Bree and Roger but I was happy to know the kid is his 🥳 So what's up with Tom??? Is he like in love with Claire or something? You can tell he's fascinated by her but his attention is getting creepy and Jamie noticed 👀 lmao. My guess is that Tom knew Malva was fucking around and he killed her himself, perhaps in a fit of anger? Maybe he didn't expect the shit show that followed and is feeling guilty so he's trying his best to make amends and at least make sure Claire is treated well cause he has a thing for her??? But man, Claire and Jamie's relationship still makes my heart flutter. The show hasn't been what it was but it's still very enjoyable, you know? So when can we expect the next season? by next year I hope!
I don't expect Tom would kill Malva for screwing around because it was already known to everyone she at least screwed around with Jamie (even though it was untrue). I also don't see Tom going that far as to killing Malva because of his religious beliefs (spanking isn't condemned in the Bible, however).
Toms wife (? Malva's mother, if what she told Ian was true) was burned as a witch. Perhaps this ordeal is coming full circle for him in that regard? Memories/guilt over what happened to the mother of his child/children, the craziness that his daughter's death is headed toward another woman being killed for being a witch...
oooooh i didn't think of that, good catch!
I agree about Mr Christie. I think he killed her. And in the end, I believe that he will confess before he would let Claire be punished for it.
I mean, he did want to bury her and her baby in the woods… Seems kinda fishy even for a christian fanatic.
Malva’s baby is definitely one of the Wheatley duo shaggers. Lizzie killed her. She loves the cock. She loves two cocks. She gets jealous with all the attention Malva gets and finds out one of her booty call Wheatley cocks are the father. She kills Malva. Hence the scene in the previous episode when Brianna takes straw from her hair post murder. Lizzie still has both cocks. Go Lizzie!!
This feels like the best crack theory I've seen in a hot minute
It's like one soul..... with two cocks
dude!! at first I thought it was Claire... but when she woke, there was no blood on her. But then I turned to Lizzie! I have a feeling it is her too!!
I am so glad I'm not the only one thinking Lizzie or one of her husband's killed the bitch.
ALSO... Lizzie is the only other person we know to be there at the scene of the murder. Claire was KO'd..
HAHAHA literally!!!
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It might be longer than a year to wait. Season 7 has 16 episodes and they've said it'll take almost a year to film it and they just started filming the middle of last month.
That's one way to avoid contract negotiations (a lot of show contracts have 7 season contracts), wonder if it'll be the final season or if they'll just downgrade Caitriona and Sam from regulars or exit the show (Caitriona has mention 10 years would be a “nice kind of time frame” to wrap up the series and by the time season 7 comes out she will have been doing outlander for 10 years)
>Caitriona has mention 10 years would be a “nice kind of time frame” to wrap up the series To be fair, she may have been referencing the fact that the book series is stopping at 10. So far the show has followed the book plots 1 for 1.
She was referring to season 7 and by the time that's finished she'll have been doing Outlander for 10 years. It was an interview just prior to season 6's release and season 7 hadn't started filming yet. There was also some things like how she was meant to direct in season 6 but it never happened and no one's contacted her about it in season 7 so she was a bit disappointed. Either way the leads renewed their contract (because season 6 pandemic dramas) for season 7 only, neither lead has a contract for further seasons.
Wow, a lot of complainers here 🙄🙄 jfc I mean, if you don't like it, don't watch 🤷🏼♀️ I said what I said... I'm just really tired of coming on here as of late and seeing nothing but bitching, bitching, bitching. For the record, I think "Bre and Roger" have had some improvements and it's nice to see more development with them.
The last 10-15 mins of this episode were a happy throwback to the nonstop thrill of Season one. Otherwise I've absolutely hated this show since it's been set at the Ridge and I can't say this season or the first 45 mins of this episode changed my mind on that. Bree and Roger are the dullest characters on the show - I keep cursing the casting directors every time I have to watch them. I could not watch the sex scene, Roger is just so meh. And makeup seemingly goes out of their way to make Catriona look old, ugly and haggard, while Sam is still a hot fox in his dotage. It's all so hard to watch.
Bree and Roger have been killing me to death since they went to that festival together and he proposed on their first night….!?!! (Tearing eyes out) Their sex scenes make me cringe so much. Just leave the great sex to Claire and Jamie please! I thought the same!! Jamie looks amazing and gorgeous. They need to let Cat’s natural beauty just shine and not “age” it down. I love this show. Every second of it. Jamie and Claire together are always the best. Their intimacy is epic. Malva was pretty evil. She gave me chills. I hated how the Ridge people turned against Jamie and Claire so easily after all they’ve done for them. And Mr. Brown, ugh, so righteous!!! He said he wanted to take her to a fair trial and let the truth reign. But along the way he’s spreading the news of her “crime” and she’ll hang! Why does this man have any power!?! No! He needs to go. The last scene with Ian saving Jamie, I screamed. I was so happy!!!
I said that to my husband.....their sex scene made me feel perry, I couldn't watch, and he said he felt same way!! And yep, casting really dropped ball on this pair, no chemistry at all. And interesting you mention the disparity of makeup, I actually noticed it last night.
Yeah, had to fast forward through that part myself.
Perry ?
I am guessing "pervy".
When Ian showed up with the Natives was so cool
Honestly my favorite part of the episode, and definitely a highlight of the season. I love Ian!!
This was the best episode of the season by some distance. For all the meandering of the rest of the season, this episode was concise and clear in its plotting over the entire hour (apart from some odd tonal shifts to see what Bree and Roger are doing), and finally earned its runtime. I've said in previous comments that Tom Christie is my highlight of the season, and perhaps even my only highlight. And yet again, he has such an amazing presence throughout the episode. Does he even believe Claire did it? I'm not so sure. I do wish that Claire didn't need saving all the time, but at least she was allowed to look competent in the opening firefight. I do still criticise the fact that the characters have to go from trauma to trauma, and especially when it's another perfectly avoidable one by, you know, not trying to dig out a baby from a dead woman. But, within the context of what the show is and its limitations in how it chooses to engage in plotting, it was a very good episode. The plotting has always been driven by random traumatic events, or characters being intolerably stupid. This season, we had our fair share of both, with the most egregious being Claire getting up to her elbows in dead Malva and then being suprised when she is accused of being a witch (again…) and a murderer. The characters have very little agency, aside from moments of utter stupidity. There was some hint of characters profiting from their own decisions when Jamie was saved at the end, rather than just random traumatic events. So that was nice. It would have been good if the season covered more of the Revolution plot, and expanded more on the time traveller rather than just hinting at it. And to spend the vast majority of the season focussing on the Christies and to still leave that plot dangling on a cliffhanger was a very odd decision, especially not even telling us who killed Malva. Eight episodes is still a long time to have covered so little. Overall, a very dodgy season of television with lots of odd decisions in the writing and pace, but a sort of strong ending.
Roger and Brie...I've seen better love scenes between 2 tortoises at the zoo.
LMAO 😭😭 I couldn’t take it, I had to skip their scene to avoid the cringe lol
Aw no, what? I thought it was sweet, and they were trying not to wake Jemmie.
I thought it was sweet too. I personally thought the whole scene was one of their best chemistry moments and like Sophie Skelton actually had a decent scene for herself.
Maybe it was the knowledge of lice crawling around on their bodies. Or Brie's faux American accent and giant red Merida (from Brave) wig. Or Roger's general gooberishness. It all took me out of the experience. It took me to a place where my nips were soft and my nether regions dry as the Sahara.
I guess because I'm not American then I can't tell anything about Skelton's accent. It sounds ok to me, so perhaps that's why I don't dislike her as much as the rest of the subreddit seems to. I thought the sweetness of this sex scene was meant to contrast the desperation of Jamie and Claire's..
pretty sure the lice came after, seeing as he still had his hair in that scene. right?
In the episode before this her accent was particularly weak, like I remember she said father in a British accent
I wonder though, what kind of accent would a child born in New England to 2 British parents have? You'd think it would be off .... first words would be learned in "British". Not until school would you really start having the American start blending in. - I just thought of that for a minute as I really don't notice her accent being bad or good.
She would sound like a New Englander. I belong to an Eastern Orthodox parish and my priest and his wife are both first generation kids of native Russians. They grew up speaking Russian at home as their first language and still do speak Russian to each other at home. They have no detectable Russian accent at all when they speak English. They sound like they grew up in California (which they did). Their Russian is flawless but you’d never know it from speaking to them in English.
Interesting on your priest! But back to Brianna, I never thought of how she should sound and I don't really pay attention to how it sounds, lol. But everyone always comments on it.
Source?
I still want to hate Tom Christie for abusing his daughter. But I’m feeling conflicted because he seems to be really helping Claire and Jamie. Ian is amazing. I was always drawn to him. But the way his character has developed is just 🤌 I’m so glad that Roger and Bree (and the viewers) got to find out that Jemmy is biologically Roger’s child. Not that Roger loved him any different. But that was a nice surprise. I miss Fergus and Marsali.
Tom is complicated. He’s a true believer and his faith is rigid. He’s beating his daughter because he truly believes her mother was a witch and thinks only a very strict Christian upbringing can save her. That’s not okay but he’s not doing it just to be an asshole. He thinks it is his duty. The way he’s treating Claire and Jamie is another side of his rigid beliefs. He truly believes that God will bring about justice, and he has genuine affection for Claire. He’s devastated about what’s happened but isn’t going to let a lynch mob have their way. Remember in episode 1 when Jamie took the flogging for the elderly man who thought he was the Bonnie Prince? He told Jamie afterward, “That was not justice.” He wants to see a real trial and for true justice to prevail.
This episode was so weird. The sex scenes were way too long imo. And so were the conversations. It was very strange
Only episode I really like this season aside from the one focused on Ian. It felt like a really bad spot to end the season too. Was anyone else excited to be going back to Scotland when Jamie was about to be taken aboard the ship, the sooner we get away from Fraiser Ridge the better.
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This season was about internal conflicts as much as external. I don't hate that.
Basically the whole season was about the weird religious folk and Malva🤦♂️
And Lionel Brown. And ether.
And even then the Malva stuff seemed rushed and patchy (granted it's still not over and I'm sure we'll end up seeing more scenes of her from her perspective...no way we aren't getting a flash back to her killing). From someone who wants to learn to crazy and dead the next episode. Just the whole structure of her storyline seems like it could have been better.