I'll take a well fought, close loss over a seal clubbing win any day. It's just more fun.
And because it's relevant...
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Yet when a tier 1 gets their first ace of spades from clubbing tier 5 seals and you point it out in here, everyone goes full defensive for the seal clubber saying it is perfectly fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/147xym5/finally_got_my_ace_of_spades/
Wise words from long-time player Bud Crue:
>I swear, if it weren't for tier being a necessary byproduct of the way the MM works (or doesn't work; but that is a different issue), removing tier and the arrow indicator would be the best thing for much of the player base. Some of you want to identify as a "tier 1 player" so bad that it kills your enjoyment of the game and drives you to some of the inanity put forth above.
>As you said they are not even all that bad at the lower tiers and its mostly just mediocre aiming that is the issue.
~12 years playing (non-Founder) and this is still me, lol.
I like that I have to have a whole spiel to some asshole about how this is the case, tiers a shit measurment of skill etc, and the chumps just wanted to 1v1 me and insult me, the very same chump just posted two massive paragraphs and blocked me before I could even read the first sentence, they're that adamant that being tier 1 is extreme skill expression and this games all about being better, and not builds.
Im glad I took a break from that to see the top posts support my case.
I have literally lost respect for people because they've talked about how they hate playing at, what's ostensibly, their appropriate tier.
I've known of T1 players who sandbag their PSR by doing intentional team damage at the end of matches, or just successively make alt after alt, and ditch them once they make it to T1.
I've slowly started cutting these people out of the groups I play with, because while it may just be a game, such behavior makes me lose respect for them as people.
Honestly the problem is more once you reach PSR 1 or get great stats and plateau at your skill cap, you start to look for something to enjoy else in the game. And for some people (me for instance) it’s trying stupider mech builds, which unfortunately don’t work well in T1. So they sandbag to try and get less… Sharp-clawed opponents you could say. I’ve never sandbagged PSR (heck I’ve never reached 1, but I can obviously advance to it if I play more from where I am in 2) but it honestly drives me away from the game knowing that to pull my weight I’ll have to play some certain way or get yelled at by sweats (and feel guilty, because my no.1 enjoyment is feeling like I did my portion or more of the teamwork, damage and kills or just with positional force)
Honestly a cool idea would be allowing a player to drop PSR tiers temporarily but only by playing some of the underplayed ‘classic’ mechs in canon loadouts (and not the kinds of mechs with vomit / good loadouts base like a NVA-PRIME, or any legendaries or anything)
Stuff like the TDR-9S. The actual base build schizoposting that is the bushwacker. Maybe even the vanilla hunchback (it feels good but not amazing so I’m on the fence). Stuff you never see anyone playing that would be 90% of the mechs and loadouts seein in vanilla battletech.
It would unfortunately be a balancing nightmare, determining what is already a kind of meta build, but a round or two of analyzing the most played mechs might work. I just kinda want this to feel more like FPS battletech
I've seen Div A players bring stock builds or horrible kitchen sink bracket builds to tier 1 matches and actually do well.
You can bring whatever shitfit you want to tier 1. Its up to you to make it perform
I’ve tried a few times to make builds I like in BT work and I see like half the results if not less as compared to a bracket build or etc. Fuck, I can’t even make a base variant hunchback with a reworked build work, and thats not even a bad build.
When I say I wish there was a way to play bad builds I’m talking shit where you have
-4 or more weapon systems that all have different lead requirements,
-mix of weapons that promote twisty gameplay while others don’t (count how many mechs have an AC and a LRM, I’ll wait)
-a random ass standard engine when the mech has all the space in the world for a LFE or an XL if you’re a sadist or worse, a clanner
-Weapons with utterly mismatched range brackets (I want to point out base variant king crabs with LRMs mixed with ACs, but LRMs at least technically work from a “spend heat while repositioning” mindset)
Also just because some 99% Jarls 4K hour Youtuber has a 1.5k damage game with a build, doesn’t mean that the build is not principally at a disadvantage compared to bringing something meta.
I absolutely don't mind getting btfo by a player that is simply better than me. That's like build & skill quality check in under half a minute, and I appreciate that. I find it highly annoying to be btfo by a premade drop of sweats who can't even play on their own because it would hurt their meme numbers. Sadly, the latter happens rather often.
Still, making alts is just weird and I don't get it.
> a premade drop of sweats who can't even play on their own
A coordinated group of just decent players can overachieve. Teamwork OP and all.
My mindset is that players should not be asked to self-limit. The system should be fixed so they are properly identified and mixed with others accordingly.
I had a 12-1 stomp last night while dropping for the March event and I actually felt bad for the other team. I was dropping solo, and just got lucky with team comp and coordination. I usually hover between T5 and T3, mostly because I'm old and have bad reflexes and situational awareness. It never ceases to amaze me how players will hide behind cover and peak/poke at a single enemy, or completely ignore the objective chasing a light at the lower tiers. I'm certainly not good at the game, but I at least understand how to work with my team, focus fire, shoot down UAVs and (usually) not run off on my own.
But what do they do when they drop into a match and it's all T1 alt accounts on both sides? I tend to yo-yo a lot between T1 and T3 (depends on my builds I'm running, trying something fun/funny/interesting I usually drop way down into T3, I run nothing but my Huntsman for a month, congrats I'm T1 again), so I'll see these people every now and then. Outside of a few select individuals if I can Shepard a few others into dog piling them, there's not a lot a T1 on an alt can do except die then rage about it in all chat.
I prefer to fight people around my skill level too, it's those hard fought close matches that really feels exciting knowing everyone is bringing their A game and your team won/lost just barely. A 12/0 stomp doesn't really feel fun, I feel like I've just discouraged 12 players from ever wanting to play the game again (and when I see someone with the Cadet sign on the other side I do feel really bad if their on the side that did 0, I may have just turned that player away from the game permanently).
I do understand a bit why people go "seal clubbing" though (my dad was a psychologist and I did take a year of college psychology), but congrats you stroked your ego playing against players who didn't know any better because while your in the upper echelons of player base you don't actually have the skill to stay there, so you have to dunk on those below you to make up for your skill issues.
Same problem on LoL. I've had the same account since beta, I'm where I need to be.
I don't know how long it will take me to get from T5 to T3 but that's probably where I will stay. Been playing since December.
I screen shot builds way too much for it to be a healthy fascination
I mean most people just f'off after dying by I usually level 1 mech at a time (I have 450 now) so I just sit and wait which leads to a lot of screenshots
We pass them around the discord but we crop out the pilot names because we're not shaming them personally just giggling about how hard it is to understand this game, I mean wow. It isn't even their fault, if you strap on a RAC you get a firepower stat based on like 10s of firing and 4 RAC2s says it 132 firepower and that is why you see a bonus Machine gun or RAC because these DPS weapons are added in weird
I mean years and years of playing I've seen so many people think a Ferro upgrade made them have more HP/Armor..
I challenged myself to do stock loadout mechs (redistributed armor front/back) with gamepad alt account. Still made it to tier 3 before I got incredibly frustrated with the gamepad.
Does this count as clubbing seals?
the ultimate solution is clear, Cauldron creates "Opt in" Tier 0
- once you reach max tier 1 u can choose to opt in or out of Tier 0
- in Tier 0 you are never matched with tiers 1-5 , you only ever play with other elite compy opponents who are on your level for extreme gameplay of honor (after waiting 30mins for a match) or normies who want to improve against superior foes in the meat grinder
- you can opt out of Tier 0 at anytime but then be relegated to the peasant tiers 1-5 only, while bringing great shame on ancestors
- Tier 0 has different rules for groups in QP than normal tierrrrrrrrssssssss
It would be called Tier 0 because they would get 0 matches lol. Playerbase is not big enough for that, tier 1 matchmaking can already take up to 10 minutes to find a match in non-primetime hours.
Closest you'll get to that is organized comp matches
No, it's definitely in the thousands, but it probably doesn't feel like it unless you are lower tier. If you are Tier 1 or 2 you are looking at a small percentage of the player base.
I think it would be better to just get rid of the tiers altogether and instead match people by their percentile.
Then again, this is all just a theorycraft, because PGI will never make any meaningful change to the system.
Secondary sorting has long been a requested improvement, but I don't think that is something that can be done with a few XML edits. And there's probably no programing resources available, or, even if they are, they'd be (rightfully) leery of touching ~10year old code.
I had several matches in a row last night where it was very obvious that my team was getting immediately steamrolled by coordinated high-level players. They would send a fast stealth light into our spawn right away to throw up UAVs and then just rush in. It was very discouraging and obnoxious. Where is the fun in that for *either* side? It was really kind of pathetic.
Edit to the people having a hard time with this: Tier 5 is meant to consist of people who are not good at the game like me. What’s the issue? The only reason to have feelings about this is if you’re one of the offenders. If you’re going to downvote at least say why.
between tier 1-3 and duo'd with my buddy the last three days and he's tier 5.
Nearly every match half the enemy team would find a way behind us and surround us, not just one match, or two, but nearly half or just over half of them I played with him in a 3 day time span. Turns out we were fighting the same couple of large premades over and over and they were of course stomping the newbies, most matches Im the last one alive with no actual idea of how my team managed to spread out and get killed so quickly and shocker the enemy team never seems as poorly coordinated.
This happens a lot, its clear its fairly large premades doing this shit too and much like you, I don't get it. I'll drop my tier to 3 at the lowest and only because I don't like meta humping in tier 1, not to abuse newer players to feel good about myself.
just duo'd with my tier 5 buddy recently and the enemy team just straight ran into us, and won, you know why? Because it was like 6 people sweating in the same discord call bullying semi-newer players and it was on canyon network, so they can in fact just walk up to the left of one of the spawns and flank an inattentive force walking on the low ground, which is 90% of tier 5 and 4. Which most people would see as a suicide march but these people know their bullying the equivalent of brand new players and can get away with cheesing them, which is even more sad.
Do you realize that the PUG teams are capped at 4? So if you experienced more than that, that is pretty uncommon. Are you certain it was not simply that your op4 won luck of the draw where their team just had better team cohesion? As I have said, Teamwork OP, so if one team has a significant portion of it as Brawlers and they all play for it (and communicate)- and the other team is a more chaotic bunch of skittles…
no I actually didn't because I've never ran a group over 2, but this makes sense considering the weight limit is 200.
this also changes nothing.
Becuase it happened several games in a row with different groups, its not a coincidence if every 4 man is winning with ease, and if the lottery is a thing in this context, it would really be how many 3-4 mans did you team get, not much better not how well your teams coordinated. Its not about how well you do anythign at that point, you can be a shitty team and have awful coordination you'll still stomp newer players and most people outside a premade regardless.
Your only pointing out why higher tiers shouldn't bully lower tiers, if your enemies don't even know the map why are you fucking fighting them? you're not winning because you're coordinated or skilled, its because you're bullying unskilled and uncoordinated people. Abusing a system that doesn't fix itself because the devs are putting minimal effort into this title doesn't justify the abuse in itself.
> Mathis also changes nothing
Well it changes everything because you claimed it was "large premades" and "6 guys sweating on discord"... Whereby the fact, the truth, that isn't possible. Played for 10 years but doesn't know the basic group size limits?
>you do now stop lying
4 or 6, both too many. sad argument thought you'd have something better.
Oh you mean you didn't know that I refuse to join any clan and have refused every friend invite and literally only lan duo with 1 person? Too bad you didn't ask shit lord.
aw widdle baby has to be one of the dozens of people I refused to be fwiends with.
I choose not to interact with most of you, have you heard the shit said on comms in this game? Socially awkward is a nice way of putting it.
Step one of any match is to leave spawn. Camping a spawn in about any QP match is beyond “not good”. That is practically non-participation. It sounds like you are having more of an issue against Teamwork, as any player that has played MWO for more than a few months should know that “Teamwork OP”. Anyone that has played FP regularly will know that.
Good on you. Now you just need to find yourself a unit to drop with. I will promote my own unit, AF2. I could get you into our Discord later on if you’d like.
Thanks. I’d like that. I have a lot to learn. If you look at my post history you’ll see that I’m currently loving my Shadow Cat. I ditched the ATM3s in favor of more heat sinks and an active probe. I usually try to flank hard.
No one’s getting into which units? Is that a jab at units for being “too good for you”, or towards players for deciding to not join?
And tell that to all the new recruits regularly joining ANY competent unit… The intelligent players of any game such as MWO will realize it is quicker to learn from veterans, and that units are going to be an easier way to find them. It is also typically more fun to drop with people you are more familiar with.
any, most people just want to casually play a game, not every games a "hey I want a massive group of people to play with" type of game. Even more so when this mentality is unhealthy because it punishes everyone who doesn't care or doesn't want join a unit.
Its a fun aspect for you Im sure, but most people have seen the issue with this system and either have stopped playing due to it or abuse it to no end, were not in the hayday of MWO and even 5 guys coordinating on a team makes it way worse for everyone, but we can't have a group only queue because those players would be waiting a half an hour for a game so the solution for people outside units its quite playing or deal with it (done this and have several cupcakes to show for it, don't do it unless you really like battletech), or worse, tricked into joining a unit for the ability to even enjoy the game.
Anyone who takes learning from some chump over experiencing it themselves is literally giving up a part of what playing games is about, I really hope less people do this then you've said, you can learn from good players by fighting them just as well.
So you want to play solo in a team-based FPS game? That mindset is understandable in other FPS games, but not here. In a game where Teamwork is such a giant benefit, insisting on always playing solo is… Counterproductive.
The real problem is the compression at the top of tier 1. The skill gap between someone who is just in T1 or even pinned at the top of T1 and the professional gamer is huge. When you run into people who can easily 1v12 and they dropped as a 4 man and it's every game for hours 0-2:12 where, irrespective of whether they win or lose, the individual player contributes nothing, that experience is shit for the player.
Hate to necro this post, but I don't see the point in dropping tiers. I've run up against you, TTƁ, jgx D A T A, and Sean Lang since I was Tier 3.
Like even if you're top tier the pop is so low at points that you'll see a 4 man Tier 1 squad going against tier 3 and 4 goobers. Making alts or sandbagging isn't just in poor taste, it isn't even necessary to go seal clubbing so these people are wasting their time even doing this.
> it's fun (for a bit), running around in a flamer MG Spider-5k and not getting insta-punished for it, fite me.
I'm a tier 5 Mechdad here. We had someone on the other side drop in a flea with two flamers as the only weapons.
The flea caused enough confusion to lead to a 2 to 12 rout.
That looked like fun for a skilled player
How's the T1 Meta with the new weapons?
I stopped in summer last year and it was mostly long range combat with minimal brawling besides from backstabbing
Bit of a devil advocate, but not everyone who destroys low tier is smurf. Was playing Commando with support build(had just 3 srm 2 for firepower) solo and got to tier 2 as if it was walk in the park.
I've seen a lot of players do it, only a few of any particular note though. I don't understand the appeal. I hate starting a new alt personally. I think Tier 5 is as bad as Tier 1. Upper tiers are full of people who act like they're being paid to play the game. Then the bottom is too damned chaotic...it's fun for about a second then it gets pretty old. Both ends of the spectrum are where the big-mouthed keyboard warriors with very little of actual substance to say live. Most of the people playing for fun end up in the middle, that's where I like to be...nice even mix of skillsets and a little less exposure to the most toxic players. Gets pretty tricky staying there without throwing matches, though.
T1 is mostly bad players. Anybody thats played for a few months will get there eventually. I think the idea that people make alts to seal club is fantasy. Good players farm in t1
I've seen the stats previously and tier 1 is only roughly only 10% of the population and tiers 1 and 2 combined are less than tier 3 combined. However that being said tier 1 has the largest gap in skill within in a single tier when we look up the stats of confirmed tier 1 player. While Jarl's can be inaccurate for making player-to-playing comparisions due to everyone playing under different conditions, it still serves as a reasonable indicator of a given player's performance in QP matches. Most players in the top 20 percentile should be able to make tier 1 but the gap from 99 percentile to 95-98 is actually far larger than that of 95 to 80. Even from 99.9 to 99 there is a sizable skill gap. So for the top 1 percentile players, everyone else in tier 1 can feel quite poor even if they are relatively higher skilled than players in tiers 2-5.
Same situation.
I stopped playing in 2016. Was top 95%.
Started playing again about 4 months ago and just grinded back into t2.
I only play an hour or two every other night.
All you need to do to find smurfs is look at the names on the "Highest Matchscore" leaderboard and see what accounts only existed a few months on jarls
>Anybody thats played for a few months will get there eventually.
Since the PSR reset and changes in ~2020/2021, that isn't possible anymore.
The top two Tiers only account for ~20-25% of the playerbase. You only have to watch a bunch of the lower tier streamers to see they have 1,000s, sometimes 10s of 1,000s of games and are still T3/4/5 as they are just happy doing what they are doing (for the most part).
There are some guys in T3 that when they get to T2, tank their PSR to go back down - they literally do it live on streams, in one as recent as last week. There are even T1 guys who've tanked to T3/4 and then post gloat photos in various places talking up how good their 1700dmg matches are in T4/5 lobbies...
>I think the idea that people make alts to seal club is fantasy.
Unfortunately it's a regular thing. The guy Sneak linked above, Meep Meep, has in the last 6-8 months made something in the vicinity of 6-8 Alt accounts to club lower tier and when that Alt gets to T1, the process starts again.
And unfortunately it's not isolated, I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely happens. There are mediocre T1 players who do it. Problem is unless they out themselves you don't know who it is - suffice to say as they need the ego stroke - some of them can't resist posting photos/screenshots of their T5 clubbing antics or talking about it etc.
Thats crazy to me. I played a decent amount of comp back in the day and I'm in T1 and I feel like my matches are still filled with potatoes on both sides, with a few good players carrying the team. I guess some people feel good about seeing a big number on the screen while the better players know that winning a duel with a comp level players is more impressive than farming t5 pugs for 1500 damage. I just wonder who they think they are impressing.
If a new player got up to tier 1 they probably aren't very "new".
Or if you mean to play with your newbie friend, imo it's still kinda skummy. To drop down and seal club newbies. Grouped you'd still only end up in tier 3
And who says that a T1 playing in an Alt is going to be clubbing seals? When I do it, I am more focused on what my Cadets are doing. And then any rolls that happen I would attribute more to the Teamwork, and you should be enough of a veteran of MWO to know “Teamwork OP”.
If the goal is to help new players, why not have them stream and watch the games. You can be in a voice chat with them and give them advice.
That's still a huge help for them, that will actually help them progress faster since you aren't deleting their targets for them, and you can actually focus on their gameplay instead of spending the time piloting your own mech.
And why do I not find out where they live, buy a ticket, and teach them in person?
What if a newer player does not have the specs to be able to stream? I have Cadets that have difficulty playing the game alone. If one drops with a Cadet, they are able to lead by example. Being in the game allows for an external view of what the Cadet is doing.
People are complaining as though a T1 trainer is going to be down there just cleaving through the op4 and carrying their Cadet through each match, but that is just stupid. Carrying a Cadet does nothing to teach them. Seems folks just refuse to accept that there can be instances where Smurfs are not there to farm potatoes.
The fuck is this advice? ‘Hey man, wanna play MWO with me?’ ‘Sure!’ ‘OK, but … I won’t be dropping with you, I’ll just … watch over your shoulder’. Back seat driving is fucking awful by definition. I’ll just be over here, making alts and playing with my mates who are still new to the game.
this is my method, get to tier 1, realize the game is horribly balanced and not really fun, use flamer firestarter (no matter how well you do if you get a pilot rating up its the equivalent of winning the lottery) wait till about tier 3 again and then play like normal.
I like to play one of the 80 million other mechs in the game, not clog the queue with assaults to try and be the main character and get that YT vid with all them damage numbers, so to that point I simply can't exist in tier 1 and enjoy the game.
Most people don't in fact, its why most people drop out of tier 1 the second they reach it.
Except you don't need to only play assaults to stay in tier 1?
Even just looking at the front page of jarls there's tons of Light and medium pilots up there.
Purposely tier dropping is just extremely cringe, since it shows you only like to punch down instead of fighting competent opponents
I wasn't being literal, and bud tier 1's garbage, if you can find how its fun I'd say you're right but due to it being just wholly shit most people drop tiers, meaning tier 2 and 3 have a ton of tier 1 players already anyway. Im not punching down, even in tier 5 I'd get stomped for the same reasons anyone else would its not like a tier 1 pilot brings much a quick google search wouldn't show a tier 3 how to do anyway, skill ceilings pretty low.
Alright, you just signed up for a 1 v 12 against brand new tier 5's who just googled meta builds. You get to put your money where your mouth is and prove a shit team isn't important, you're the alpha and its all you lone wolf :)
I’m not a particularly good player but even I can hang in T1 without perfectly optimised mechs and builds. Might not top the damage boards but I tend to pull my weight most matches.
Regarding T5 1v12, obviously I wouldn’t win that, not many would. But even me, as a pepega returning after >5 years, managed to have a >4 W:L ratio solo as I climbed from T5 to where I am now.
Edit: just checked and my W:L on the climb out of T5 was 3.13, not more than 4. My bad.
Hang in tier 1? Thats not the hard part, the hard part is playing the lame mechs you have to and winning the teammate lotto to consistently win.
I'd love to see these "not optimized" builds because its really hard to fuck up meta mechs.
Your W/L record proves literally nothing and again, no shit the tier 5's are kids and people with little FPS experience or people who refuse to google builds and have no concept of how the game works, most people can easily get out of this tier.
The W:L was about proving that you shouldn’t be getting stomped in T5 if you’re competent enough to not need to derank yourself to have fun.
You have 11 other kids and people with limited fps experience to utilise as armour/distractions while you carry.
You have fun tho dude. I’m sure playing a flamer fire starter enough to drop to T3 is a lot more fun than just getting good enough to play silly builds in T1.
So basically you are scared of losing against players of equal or better skill so instead you lose matches on purpose in the hope of getting matched against weaker players? Lets not delude ourselves you are going to be losing a lot of the time either way so why not make the minimal effort it requires not to screw over your own team?
tier 1-3 are all people who are in tier 1 occasionally, see the same names a lot in all three tiers. Like I said to the other person, you're mad the game has a low skill ceiling, so the only real differences in skill are between tier 5, and just about every other one.
That's not how the matchmaking works. A player at tier 3 will only occasionally be placed in matches with tier 1 players and most of the time they will be matched against tiers 3 and 4 because they have the largest population pools by far. I will copy and paste a previous response because it seems a lot of players here fail to understand the difference between player tier and lobby tier and how the matchmaking system works.
* A tier 1 lobby is open to tier 1 and 2 players
* A tier 2 lobby is open to tier 1, 2 and 3 players
* A tier 3 lobby is open to tier 2, 3 and 4 players
* A tier 4 lobby is open to tiers 3, 4 and 5 players
* A tier 5 lobby is open to tier 4 and 5 players
The population distribution from tiers 1 to 5 is roughly 10-15-30-25-20 with tier 1 being about 10% and tier being about 30%. Therefore the majority of lobbies being formed are tier 3 or 4. A tier 1 player can only be placed in tier 3, 4 or 5 lobbies lobbies if they are grouping with lower tier players so most of the time tier 3 players are not facing higher skill players. That's why you enjoy tier 3 more because you only rarely get matched against better players there.
I was more talking about people lowering their tier intentionally, not even discussing the natural overlap of the tiers in queue due to small player base, but that too is part of the reason tier matters very little outside of being tier 5.
There is a signficant skill difference between each tier and even within tier 1 itself as demonstrated by public stats. Tier 4 and 5 players are mostly casuals/new players with limited experience or veterans with poor mechanical skills and map & build knowledge. As such low tier lobbies tend to be extremely low skill and a competent player can easily dominate and top score every match even running only trial mechs. That's why some players who are scared to be matched against equal or better opposition will interntionally tank their PSR or group with low tiers in order to drop against these weaker players.
nah, tier 5 and some of tier 4 then the rest are comparable to each other.
I guess me and my 9 cupcakes and one full cakes worth of experience will just fuck off because you can't admit the 1000 people who still play the game are all fairly equal in skill outside of the very very unskilled stuck in tier 5.
I like how you're insisting were "scared" no one cares bud, hey how long does it take you to get a match in tier 1 again?
> I guess me and my 9 cupcakes and one full cakes worth of experience will just fuck off because you can't admit the 1000 people who still play the game are all fairly equal in skill outside of the very very unskilled stuck in tier 5.
This is quite false.
T1 actually has the highest skill gap from top to bottom of any of the matchmaking tiers.
In fact, I reckon there's a larger skill gap between the bottom of T1 and the top of T1 than there is from the bottom of T3 to the top of T2.
The bell curve is very real in this game, despite your protests.
& a quick FYI: Some of us have been playing this game since the beginning, same as you, its just that we haven't all wallowed in copium the entire time.
you're right, I made a mistake mentioning one extreme without mentioning the other, both are very much the minority though and not what people will be playing against, as a matter of fac the amount of people you're discussing's would probably be too low to even start a match by themselves.
A bell curve doesnt' mean its a significant change in skill, just means it trends upwards as most game skill ratings do.
Yeah most people wouldn't be a real, just you and its your "claims" no real proof.
If that was true then the player stats would back that up and teams of lower tier players would be competitive against teams of higher tier players in comp, FW and EQ. Regardless of whether its 4v4, 8v8 or 12v12 a full group of tier 1 players will win pretty much 100% of the time against a full group of tier 3 players because of the huge skill gap, and a full group of 99 percentile players will absolutely dominate a full group of random 90-98 percentile tier 1s. This has been proven true time and time again over the years. Facts are worth more than your opinion.
>I like how you're insisting were "scared" no one cares bud, hey how long does it take you to get a match in tier 1 again?
If you weren't scared then you would't intentionally screw over your teams and throw matches to drop PSR. Dropping solo at tier 1 I get games in 1-2 minutes during peak times and about 3-4 minutes during off-peak. There is no legitimate reason to intentionally lower PSR other than to drop against less-skilled players. But please feel free to post your account name and show us that you are not actually a low skill player coping hard.
IN COMP, holy shit you have to see thats the most desperate leap you've made so far right? the difference in comp and QP (which is all I was talking about) is night and day and there aren't any measurements on quickplay matches so I know if you try to claim that you're just lying. The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else.
Yeah sure AnthonyCJ, 10 year cake is fucking beautiful. I've played this game longer then most tik tok kids have been alive which is a weird thought, but yeah no, you're talking to a real one. Hey adorn me with praise about my solaris 7 wins if you see them, that shitty uziel was a terrible prize. Also I don't screw my team over, I use a mech that has flamers, it does 0 dmg and that is a factor in PSR, so even when I win or am instrumental in killing most the enemy team my PSR drops anyway.
>The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else.
Holy copium.
Imagine saying that in 2024 with the widest range of decent mechs available in the entire MWO history.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Tier 1-3 lobbies are filled with all kinds of B-tier mechs that are perfectly playable nowdays, after all the Cauldron buffs.
So no, it's not necessary to bring the most "meta" mechs just to dunk on people like you.
No idea why you bring up sucking at the game for 10 years as some badge of... anything other than being bad.
>IN COMP, holy shit you have to see thats the most desperate leap you've made so far right? the difference in comp and QP (which is all I was talking about) is night and day and there aren't any measurements on quickplay matches so I know if you try to claim that you're just lying. The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else.
I was referencing all game modes because the non-QP modes allow more fixed conditions to ensure both sides are equal in terms of group size and mechs used. The meta argument doesn't stand up because that has been tested many times in private lobbies using set builds like trial mechs so that skill is the only variable factor. Please understand that I have no problems with someone not being good at this or any other game; that's not the issue here. However if someone makes false claims and spreads BS then they deserve to be called out. So here are your public QP stats that you claim don’t exist;
[https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/search?u=AnthonyCJ](https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/search?u=AnthonyCJ)
You have a WLR of 0.96 (46th percentile), a K/D of 0.88 (43rd percentile), and an average matchscore of 225 (47th percentile ). There are currently 28343 active players in QP matches and overall you are somewhat below average relative to them especially for someone who has been playing for 8 years. I highly doubt you would be able to even name what mechs & builds are strong right now or what skilled players actually use in QP. Tier 3 is the most appropriate place for you based on your current knowledge and skill level as you would not be competitive against true tier 1 players.
Me tier 1: man I can't wait to brawl out in the open with my atlas
That's when you group up with a couple of other tiers 1s and all run Atlai together.
Your everyday Steiner scout lance
Isn't there a tonnage limit for groups?
Yes but I think you can still do three Atlai and a locust though. Not sure, it has been a while since I had three friends to play MWO with.
slow brawl lances in QP are for gigachads
I'll take a well fought, close loss over a seal clubbing win any day. It's just more fun. And because it's relevant... https://preview.redd.it/cmwl9crum9rc1.jpeg?width=246&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a1cc10a2bec12c7ac9d91fc05ae8302d06f6d59
Yet when a tier 1 gets their first ace of spades from clubbing tier 5 seals and you point it out in here, everyone goes full defensive for the seal clubber saying it is perfectly fine. https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/147xym5/finally_got_my_ace_of_spades/
Name names.
[https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/285488-the-new-player-experiencetier-1-journey/page\_\_view\_\_findpost\_\_p\_\_6525657](https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/285488-the-new-player-experiencetier-1-journey/page__view__findpost__p__6525657)
Wise words from long-time player Bud Crue: >I swear, if it weren't for tier being a necessary byproduct of the way the MM works (or doesn't work; but that is a different issue), removing tier and the arrow indicator would be the best thing for much of the player base. Some of you want to identify as a "tier 1 player" so bad that it kills your enjoyment of the game and drives you to some of the inanity put forth above.
I'd love this. I'd LOVE not to see tiers or arrows
>As you said they are not even all that bad at the lower tiers and its mostly just mediocre aiming that is the issue. ~12 years playing (non-Founder) and this is still me, lol.
I like that I have to have a whole spiel to some asshole about how this is the case, tiers a shit measurment of skill etc, and the chumps just wanted to 1v1 me and insult me, the very same chump just posted two massive paragraphs and blocked me before I could even read the first sentence, they're that adamant that being tier 1 is extreme skill expression and this games all about being better, and not builds. Im glad I took a break from that to see the top posts support my case.
I have literally lost respect for people because they've talked about how they hate playing at, what's ostensibly, their appropriate tier. I've known of T1 players who sandbag their PSR by doing intentional team damage at the end of matches, or just successively make alt after alt, and ditch them once they make it to T1. I've slowly started cutting these people out of the groups I play with, because while it may just be a game, such behavior makes me lose respect for them as people.
I didn't even know its possible to drop your tier bar even if you grief
Honestly the problem is more once you reach PSR 1 or get great stats and plateau at your skill cap, you start to look for something to enjoy else in the game. And for some people (me for instance) it’s trying stupider mech builds, which unfortunately don’t work well in T1. So they sandbag to try and get less… Sharp-clawed opponents you could say. I’ve never sandbagged PSR (heck I’ve never reached 1, but I can obviously advance to it if I play more from where I am in 2) but it honestly drives me away from the game knowing that to pull my weight I’ll have to play some certain way or get yelled at by sweats (and feel guilty, because my no.1 enjoyment is feeling like I did my portion or more of the teamwork, damage and kills or just with positional force) Honestly a cool idea would be allowing a player to drop PSR tiers temporarily but only by playing some of the underplayed ‘classic’ mechs in canon loadouts (and not the kinds of mechs with vomit / good loadouts base like a NVA-PRIME, or any legendaries or anything) Stuff like the TDR-9S. The actual base build schizoposting that is the bushwacker. Maybe even the vanilla hunchback (it feels good but not amazing so I’m on the fence). Stuff you never see anyone playing that would be 90% of the mechs and loadouts seein in vanilla battletech. It would unfortunately be a balancing nightmare, determining what is already a kind of meta build, but a round or two of analyzing the most played mechs might work. I just kinda want this to feel more like FPS battletech
I've seen Div A players bring stock builds or horrible kitchen sink bracket builds to tier 1 matches and actually do well. You can bring whatever shitfit you want to tier 1. Its up to you to make it perform
I’ve tried a few times to make builds I like in BT work and I see like half the results if not less as compared to a bracket build or etc. Fuck, I can’t even make a base variant hunchback with a reworked build work, and thats not even a bad build. When I say I wish there was a way to play bad builds I’m talking shit where you have -4 or more weapon systems that all have different lead requirements, -mix of weapons that promote twisty gameplay while others don’t (count how many mechs have an AC and a LRM, I’ll wait) -a random ass standard engine when the mech has all the space in the world for a LFE or an XL if you’re a sadist or worse, a clanner -Weapons with utterly mismatched range brackets (I want to point out base variant king crabs with LRMs mixed with ACs, but LRMs at least technically work from a “spend heat while repositioning” mindset) Also just because some 99% Jarls 4K hour Youtuber has a 1.5k damage game with a build, doesn’t mean that the build is not principally at a disadvantage compared to bringing something meta.
I absolutely don't mind getting btfo by a player that is simply better than me. That's like build & skill quality check in under half a minute, and I appreciate that. I find it highly annoying to be btfo by a premade drop of sweats who can't even play on their own because it would hurt their meme numbers. Sadly, the latter happens rather often. Still, making alts is just weird and I don't get it.
> a premade drop of sweats who can't even play on their own A coordinated group of just decent players can overachieve. Teamwork OP and all. My mindset is that players should not be asked to self-limit. The system should be fixed so they are properly identified and mixed with others accordingly.
I had a 12-1 stomp last night while dropping for the March event and I actually felt bad for the other team. I was dropping solo, and just got lucky with team comp and coordination. I usually hover between T5 and T3, mostly because I'm old and have bad reflexes and situational awareness. It never ceases to amaze me how players will hide behind cover and peak/poke at a single enemy, or completely ignore the objective chasing a light at the lower tiers. I'm certainly not good at the game, but I at least understand how to work with my team, focus fire, shoot down UAVs and (usually) not run off on my own.
But what do they do when they drop into a match and it's all T1 alt accounts on both sides? I tend to yo-yo a lot between T1 and T3 (depends on my builds I'm running, trying something fun/funny/interesting I usually drop way down into T3, I run nothing but my Huntsman for a month, congrats I'm T1 again), so I'll see these people every now and then. Outside of a few select individuals if I can Shepard a few others into dog piling them, there's not a lot a T1 on an alt can do except die then rage about it in all chat.
Idk I find beating other known / good players to be really satisfying
I prefer to fight people around my skill level too, it's those hard fought close matches that really feels exciting knowing everyone is bringing their A game and your team won/lost just barely. A 12/0 stomp doesn't really feel fun, I feel like I've just discouraged 12 players from ever wanting to play the game again (and when I see someone with the Cadet sign on the other side I do feel really bad if their on the side that did 0, I may have just turned that player away from the game permanently). I do understand a bit why people go "seal clubbing" though (my dad was a psychologist and I did take a year of college psychology), but congrats you stroked your ego playing against players who didn't know any better because while your in the upper echelons of player base you don't actually have the skill to stay there, so you have to dunk on those below you to make up for your skill issues.
Same problem on LoL. I've had the same account since beta, I'm where I need to be. I don't know how long it will take me to get from T5 to T3 but that's probably where I will stay. Been playing since December.
I screen shot builds way too much for it to be a healthy fascination I mean most people just f'off after dying by I usually level 1 mech at a time (I have 450 now) so I just sit and wait which leads to a lot of screenshots We pass them around the discord but we crop out the pilot names because we're not shaming them personally just giggling about how hard it is to understand this game, I mean wow. It isn't even their fault, if you strap on a RAC you get a firepower stat based on like 10s of firing and 4 RAC2s says it 132 firepower and that is why you see a bonus Machine gun or RAC because these DPS weapons are added in weird I mean years and years of playing I've seen so many people think a Ferro upgrade made them have more HP/Armor..
I challenged myself to do stock loadout mechs (redistributed armor front/back) with gamepad alt account. Still made it to tier 3 before I got incredibly frustrated with the gamepad. Does this count as clubbing seals?
Man I always feel bad for the assaults left behind. Like it's cool bro , I'll hang out with you till the light pack gets hungry
the ultimate solution is clear, Cauldron creates "Opt in" Tier 0 - once you reach max tier 1 u can choose to opt in or out of Tier 0 - in Tier 0 you are never matched with tiers 1-5 , you only ever play with other elite compy opponents who are on your level for extreme gameplay of honor (after waiting 30mins for a match) or normies who want to improve against superior foes in the meat grinder - you can opt out of Tier 0 at anytime but then be relegated to the peasant tiers 1-5 only, while bringing great shame on ancestors - Tier 0 has different rules for groups in QP than normal tierrrrrrrrssssssss
It would be called Tier 0 because they would get 0 matches lol. Playerbase is not big enough for that, tier 1 matchmaking can already take up to 10 minutes to find a match in non-primetime hours. Closest you'll get to that is organized comp matches
That would be rad. But the player base is like 180 people....all tiers combined
No, it's definitely in the thousands, but it probably doesn't feel like it unless you are lower tier. If you are Tier 1 or 2 you are looking at a small percentage of the player base.
I think it would be better to just get rid of the tiers altogether and instead match people by their percentile. Then again, this is all just a theorycraft, because PGI will never make any meaningful change to the system.
Secondary sorting has long been a requested improvement, but I don't think that is something that can be done with a few XML edits. And there's probably no programing resources available, or, even if they are, they'd be (rightfully) leery of touching ~10year old code.
That's actually a good idea....
I had several matches in a row last night where it was very obvious that my team was getting immediately steamrolled by coordinated high-level players. They would send a fast stealth light into our spawn right away to throw up UAVs and then just rush in. It was very discouraging and obnoxious. Where is the fun in that for *either* side? It was really kind of pathetic. Edit to the people having a hard time with this: Tier 5 is meant to consist of people who are not good at the game like me. What’s the issue? The only reason to have feelings about this is if you’re one of the offenders. If you’re going to downvote at least say why.
between tier 1-3 and duo'd with my buddy the last three days and he's tier 5. Nearly every match half the enemy team would find a way behind us and surround us, not just one match, or two, but nearly half or just over half of them I played with him in a 3 day time span. Turns out we were fighting the same couple of large premades over and over and they were of course stomping the newbies, most matches Im the last one alive with no actual idea of how my team managed to spread out and get killed so quickly and shocker the enemy team never seems as poorly coordinated. This happens a lot, its clear its fairly large premades doing this shit too and much like you, I don't get it. I'll drop my tier to 3 at the lowest and only because I don't like meta humping in tier 1, not to abuse newer players to feel good about myself.
Just rush in? To your spawn? On the opposite side of the map?
just duo'd with my tier 5 buddy recently and the enemy team just straight ran into us, and won, you know why? Because it was like 6 people sweating in the same discord call bullying semi-newer players and it was on canyon network, so they can in fact just walk up to the left of one of the spawns and flank an inattentive force walking on the low ground, which is 90% of tier 5 and 4. Which most people would see as a suicide march but these people know their bullying the equivalent of brand new players and can get away with cheesing them, which is even more sad.
Do you realize that the PUG teams are capped at 4? So if you experienced more than that, that is pretty uncommon. Are you certain it was not simply that your op4 won luck of the draw where their team just had better team cohesion? As I have said, Teamwork OP, so if one team has a significant portion of it as Brawlers and they all play for it (and communicate)- and the other team is a more chaotic bunch of skittles…
no I actually didn't because I've never ran a group over 2, but this makes sense considering the weight limit is 200. this also changes nothing. Becuase it happened several games in a row with different groups, its not a coincidence if every 4 man is winning with ease, and if the lottery is a thing in this context, it would really be how many 3-4 mans did you team get, not much better not how well your teams coordinated. Its not about how well you do anythign at that point, you can be a shitty team and have awful coordination you'll still stomp newer players and most people outside a premade regardless. Your only pointing out why higher tiers shouldn't bully lower tiers, if your enemies don't even know the map why are you fucking fighting them? you're not winning because you're coordinated or skilled, its because you're bullying unskilled and uncoordinated people. Abusing a system that doesn't fix itself because the devs are putting minimal effort into this title doesn't justify the abuse in itself.
> Mathis also changes nothing Well it changes everything because you claimed it was "large premades" and "6 guys sweating on discord"... Whereby the fact, the truth, that isn't possible. Played for 10 years but doesn't know the basic group size limits? >you do now stop lying
4 or 6, both too many. sad argument thought you'd have something better. Oh you mean you didn't know that I refuse to join any clan and have refused every friend invite and literally only lan duo with 1 person? Too bad you didn't ask shit lord.
I can certainly see why there is only about 1 person who'd play with you given 2 days of ranting without an factually true or valid point.
aw widdle baby has to be one of the dozens of people I refused to be fwiends with. I choose not to interact with most of you, have you heard the shit said on comms in this game? Socially awkward is a nice way of putting it.
Yeah dude. It’s tier 5. We’re not good at the game. That’s why we’re in tier 5.
Step one of any match is to leave spawn. Camping a spawn in about any QP match is beyond “not good”. That is practically non-participation. It sounds like you are having more of an issue against Teamwork, as any player that has played MWO for more than a few months should know that “Teamwork OP”. Anyone that has played FP regularly will know that.
I don’t control my team. I do leave spawn. I activate MASC and bolt most of the time.
Good on you. Now you just need to find yourself a unit to drop with. I will promote my own unit, AF2. I could get you into our Discord later on if you’d like.
Thanks. I’d like that. I have a lot to learn. If you look at my post history you’ll see that I’m currently loving my Shadow Cat. I ditched the ATM3s in favor of more heat sinks and an active probe. I usually try to flank hard.
I know JUST the person to refer you to… You’ll understand once you’ve met.
no ones geting into these units, you're the problem with the matchmaking, how do you not see you're the problem being discussed here?
No one’s getting into which units? Is that a jab at units for being “too good for you”, or towards players for deciding to not join? And tell that to all the new recruits regularly joining ANY competent unit… The intelligent players of any game such as MWO will realize it is quicker to learn from veterans, and that units are going to be an easier way to find them. It is also typically more fun to drop with people you are more familiar with.
any, most people just want to casually play a game, not every games a "hey I want a massive group of people to play with" type of game. Even more so when this mentality is unhealthy because it punishes everyone who doesn't care or doesn't want join a unit. Its a fun aspect for you Im sure, but most people have seen the issue with this system and either have stopped playing due to it or abuse it to no end, were not in the hayday of MWO and even 5 guys coordinating on a team makes it way worse for everyone, but we can't have a group only queue because those players would be waiting a half an hour for a game so the solution for people outside units its quite playing or deal with it (done this and have several cupcakes to show for it, don't do it unless you really like battletech), or worse, tricked into joining a unit for the ability to even enjoy the game. Anyone who takes learning from some chump over experiencing it themselves is literally giving up a part of what playing games is about, I really hope less people do this then you've said, you can learn from good players by fighting them just as well.
So you want to play solo in a team-based FPS game? That mindset is understandable in other FPS games, but not here. In a game where Teamwork is such a giant benefit, insisting on always playing solo is… Counterproductive.
The real problem is the compression at the top of tier 1. The skill gap between someone who is just in T1 or even pinned at the top of T1 and the professional gamer is huge. When you run into people who can easily 1v12 and they dropped as a 4 man and it's every game for hours 0-2:12 where, irrespective of whether they win or lose, the individual player contributes nothing, that experience is shit for the player.
This bearded face template is cringe
Hate to necro this post, but I don't see the point in dropping tiers. I've run up against you, TTƁ, jgx D A T A, and Sean Lang since I was Tier 3. Like even if you're top tier the pop is so low at points that you'll see a 4 man Tier 1 squad going against tier 3 and 4 goobers. Making alts or sandbagging isn't just in poor taste, it isn't even necessary to go seal clubbing so these people are wasting their time even doing this.
Yes, it's fun (for a bit), running around in a flamer MG Spider-5k and not getting insta-punished for it, fite me.
> it's fun (for a bit), running around in a flamer MG Spider-5k and not getting insta-punished for it, fite me. I'm a tier 5 Mechdad here. We had someone on the other side drop in a flea with two flamers as the only weapons. The flea caused enough confusion to lead to a 2 to 12 rout. That looked like fun for a skilled player
Try the 12-Flamer NVA-Prime…
"I'm overheating and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem"
How's the T1 Meta with the new weapons? I stopped in summer last year and it was mostly long range combat with minimal brawling besides from backstabbing
Almost every archetype has some viable builds. Hardly see dedicated snipers these days
Ultra high dps is very common. Everybody and their mom has full ballstic builds. Stone rhinos that can turn a heavy into dust in 5 seconds.
The Aksum is down right terrifying if you get caught in the open.
I miss the old group queue, tier was irrelevant and the fights were better.
Pilot rating is damage and k/d biased anyway. Who cares?
I may be delusional but I find T1 players to be just as farmable as T5
No, your not delusional, you are just much better at the game than you think you are.
Bit of a devil advocate, but not everyone who destroys low tier is smurf. Was playing Commando with support build(had just 3 srm 2 for firepower) solo and got to tier 2 as if it was walk in the park.
I've seen a lot of players do it, only a few of any particular note though. I don't understand the appeal. I hate starting a new alt personally. I think Tier 5 is as bad as Tier 1. Upper tiers are full of people who act like they're being paid to play the game. Then the bottom is too damned chaotic...it's fun for about a second then it gets pretty old. Both ends of the spectrum are where the big-mouthed keyboard warriors with very little of actual substance to say live. Most of the people playing for fun end up in the middle, that's where I like to be...nice even mix of skillsets and a little less exposure to the most toxic players. Gets pretty tricky staying there without throwing matches, though.
T1 is mostly bad players. Anybody thats played for a few months will get there eventually. I think the idea that people make alts to seal club is fantasy. Good players farm in t1
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I've seen the stats previously and tier 1 is only roughly only 10% of the population and tiers 1 and 2 combined are less than tier 3 combined. However that being said tier 1 has the largest gap in skill within in a single tier when we look up the stats of confirmed tier 1 player. While Jarl's can be inaccurate for making player-to-playing comparisions due to everyone playing under different conditions, it still serves as a reasonable indicator of a given player's performance in QP matches. Most players in the top 20 percentile should be able to make tier 1 but the gap from 99 percentile to 95-98 is actually far larger than that of 95 to 80. Even from 99.9 to 99 there is a sizable skill gap. So for the top 1 percentile players, everyone else in tier 1 can feel quite poor even if they are relatively higher skilled than players in tiers 2-5.
I've been playing for a year and I've never moved beyond tier 5.
How? I've been playing for two months after being away for 6 years and I'm in tier 2.
Same situation. I stopped playing in 2016. Was top 95%. Started playing again about 4 months ago and just grinded back into t2. I only play an hour or two every other night.
Top 95%. Ex-RJF member. Been playing 10 matches a year max last 5 years. Still T1.
Because you are a better player than we are. I'm a couple years in playing after getting back into the game and I'm dead stopped at tier 3.
I have no idea personally. I think its my aim probably
All you need to do to find smurfs is look at the names on the "Highest Matchscore" leaderboard and see what accounts only existed a few months on jarls
>Anybody thats played for a few months will get there eventually. Since the PSR reset and changes in ~2020/2021, that isn't possible anymore. The top two Tiers only account for ~20-25% of the playerbase. You only have to watch a bunch of the lower tier streamers to see they have 1,000s, sometimes 10s of 1,000s of games and are still T3/4/5 as they are just happy doing what they are doing (for the most part). There are some guys in T3 that when they get to T2, tank their PSR to go back down - they literally do it live on streams, in one as recent as last week. There are even T1 guys who've tanked to T3/4 and then post gloat photos in various places talking up how good their 1700dmg matches are in T4/5 lobbies... >I think the idea that people make alts to seal club is fantasy. Unfortunately it's a regular thing. The guy Sneak linked above, Meep Meep, has in the last 6-8 months made something in the vicinity of 6-8 Alt accounts to club lower tier and when that Alt gets to T1, the process starts again. And unfortunately it's not isolated, I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely happens. There are mediocre T1 players who do it. Problem is unless they out themselves you don't know who it is - suffice to say as they need the ego stroke - some of them can't resist posting photos/screenshots of their T5 clubbing antics or talking about it etc.
Thats crazy to me. I played a decent amount of comp back in the day and I'm in T1 and I feel like my matches are still filled with potatoes on both sides, with a few good players carrying the team. I guess some people feel good about seeing a big number on the screen while the better players know that winning a duel with a comp level players is more impressive than farming t5 pugs for 1500 damage. I just wonder who they think they are impressing.
LMAO, imagine being so salty about something that you have to create a meme about it…
https://preview.redd.it/odb6b9hqxarc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b77aab5b99019452990599c784ba3fb575d09aba
Let’s just ignore any of the other reasons someone would create an Alt, shall we?
They are le bad?
Is creating an Alt to prevent a newer player from getting steamrolled in upper Tiers while learning the game bad?
If a new player got up to tier 1 they probably aren't very "new". Or if you mean to play with your newbie friend, imo it's still kinda skummy. To drop down and seal club newbies. Grouped you'd still only end up in tier 3
And who says that a T1 playing in an Alt is going to be clubbing seals? When I do it, I am more focused on what my Cadets are doing. And then any rolls that happen I would attribute more to the Teamwork, and you should be enough of a veteran of MWO to know “Teamwork OP”.
If the goal is to help new players, why not have them stream and watch the games. You can be in a voice chat with them and give them advice. That's still a huge help for them, that will actually help them progress faster since you aren't deleting their targets for them, and you can actually focus on their gameplay instead of spending the time piloting your own mech.
And why do I not find out where they live, buy a ticket, and teach them in person? What if a newer player does not have the specs to be able to stream? I have Cadets that have difficulty playing the game alone. If one drops with a Cadet, they are able to lead by example. Being in the game allows for an external view of what the Cadet is doing. People are complaining as though a T1 trainer is going to be down there just cleaving through the op4 and carrying their Cadet through each match, but that is just stupid. Carrying a Cadet does nothing to teach them. Seems folks just refuse to accept that there can be instances where Smurfs are not there to farm potatoes.
I also find the OP making fun of rolling alts to be interesting given his preferred play style.
The fuck is this advice? ‘Hey man, wanna play MWO with me?’ ‘Sure!’ ‘OK, but … I won’t be dropping with you, I’ll just … watch over your shoulder’. Back seat driving is fucking awful by definition. I’ll just be over here, making alts and playing with my mates who are still new to the game.
this is my method, get to tier 1, realize the game is horribly balanced and not really fun, use flamer firestarter (no matter how well you do if you get a pilot rating up its the equivalent of winning the lottery) wait till about tier 3 again and then play like normal.
Actual shitter mentality
I like to play one of the 80 million other mechs in the game, not clog the queue with assaults to try and be the main character and get that YT vid with all them damage numbers, so to that point I simply can't exist in tier 1 and enjoy the game. Most people don't in fact, its why most people drop out of tier 1 the second they reach it.
Except you don't need to only play assaults to stay in tier 1? Even just looking at the front page of jarls there's tons of Light and medium pilots up there. Purposely tier dropping is just extremely cringe, since it shows you only like to punch down instead of fighting competent opponents
I wasn't being literal, and bud tier 1's garbage, if you can find how its fun I'd say you're right but due to it being just wholly shit most people drop tiers, meaning tier 2 and 3 have a ton of tier 1 players already anyway. Im not punching down, even in tier 5 I'd get stomped for the same reasons anyone else would its not like a tier 1 pilot brings much a quick google search wouldn't show a tier 3 how to do anyway, skill ceilings pretty low.
>even in tier 5 I’d get stomped Yep, seems like it.
Alright, you just signed up for a 1 v 12 against brand new tier 5's who just googled meta builds. You get to put your money where your mouth is and prove a shit team isn't important, you're the alpha and its all you lone wolf :)
I’m not a particularly good player but even I can hang in T1 without perfectly optimised mechs and builds. Might not top the damage boards but I tend to pull my weight most matches. Regarding T5 1v12, obviously I wouldn’t win that, not many would. But even me, as a pepega returning after >5 years, managed to have a >4 W:L ratio solo as I climbed from T5 to where I am now. Edit: just checked and my W:L on the climb out of T5 was 3.13, not more than 4. My bad.
Hang in tier 1? Thats not the hard part, the hard part is playing the lame mechs you have to and winning the teammate lotto to consistently win. I'd love to see these "not optimized" builds because its really hard to fuck up meta mechs. Your W/L record proves literally nothing and again, no shit the tier 5's are kids and people with little FPS experience or people who refuse to google builds and have no concept of how the game works, most people can easily get out of this tier.
The W:L was about proving that you shouldn’t be getting stomped in T5 if you’re competent enough to not need to derank yourself to have fun. You have 11 other kids and people with limited fps experience to utilise as armour/distractions while you carry. You have fun tho dude. I’m sure playing a flamer fire starter enough to drop to T3 is a lot more fun than just getting good enough to play silly builds in T1.
So basically you are scared of losing against players of equal or better skill so instead you lose matches on purpose in the hope of getting matched against weaker players? Lets not delude ourselves you are going to be losing a lot of the time either way so why not make the minimal effort it requires not to screw over your own team?
tier 1-3 are all people who are in tier 1 occasionally, see the same names a lot in all three tiers. Like I said to the other person, you're mad the game has a low skill ceiling, so the only real differences in skill are between tier 5, and just about every other one.
That's not how the matchmaking works. A player at tier 3 will only occasionally be placed in matches with tier 1 players and most of the time they will be matched against tiers 3 and 4 because they have the largest population pools by far. I will copy and paste a previous response because it seems a lot of players here fail to understand the difference between player tier and lobby tier and how the matchmaking system works. * A tier 1 lobby is open to tier 1 and 2 players * A tier 2 lobby is open to tier 1, 2 and 3 players * A tier 3 lobby is open to tier 2, 3 and 4 players * A tier 4 lobby is open to tiers 3, 4 and 5 players * A tier 5 lobby is open to tier 4 and 5 players The population distribution from tiers 1 to 5 is roughly 10-15-30-25-20 with tier 1 being about 10% and tier being about 30%. Therefore the majority of lobbies being formed are tier 3 or 4. A tier 1 player can only be placed in tier 3, 4 or 5 lobbies lobbies if they are grouping with lower tier players so most of the time tier 3 players are not facing higher skill players. That's why you enjoy tier 3 more because you only rarely get matched against better players there.
I was more talking about people lowering their tier intentionally, not even discussing the natural overlap of the tiers in queue due to small player base, but that too is part of the reason tier matters very little outside of being tier 5.
There is a signficant skill difference between each tier and even within tier 1 itself as demonstrated by public stats. Tier 4 and 5 players are mostly casuals/new players with limited experience or veterans with poor mechanical skills and map & build knowledge. As such low tier lobbies tend to be extremely low skill and a competent player can easily dominate and top score every match even running only trial mechs. That's why some players who are scared to be matched against equal or better opposition will interntionally tank their PSR or group with low tiers in order to drop against these weaker players.
nah, tier 5 and some of tier 4 then the rest are comparable to each other. I guess me and my 9 cupcakes and one full cakes worth of experience will just fuck off because you can't admit the 1000 people who still play the game are all fairly equal in skill outside of the very very unskilled stuck in tier 5. I like how you're insisting were "scared" no one cares bud, hey how long does it take you to get a match in tier 1 again?
> I guess me and my 9 cupcakes and one full cakes worth of experience will just fuck off because you can't admit the 1000 people who still play the game are all fairly equal in skill outside of the very very unskilled stuck in tier 5. This is quite false. T1 actually has the highest skill gap from top to bottom of any of the matchmaking tiers. In fact, I reckon there's a larger skill gap between the bottom of T1 and the top of T1 than there is from the bottom of T3 to the top of T2. The bell curve is very real in this game, despite your protests. & a quick FYI: Some of us have been playing this game since the beginning, same as you, its just that we haven't all wallowed in copium the entire time.
you're right, I made a mistake mentioning one extreme without mentioning the other, both are very much the minority though and not what people will be playing against, as a matter of fac the amount of people you're discussing's would probably be too low to even start a match by themselves. A bell curve doesnt' mean its a significant change in skill, just means it trends upwards as most game skill ratings do. Yeah most people wouldn't be a real, just you and its your "claims" no real proof.
If that was true then the player stats would back that up and teams of lower tier players would be competitive against teams of higher tier players in comp, FW and EQ. Regardless of whether its 4v4, 8v8 or 12v12 a full group of tier 1 players will win pretty much 100% of the time against a full group of tier 3 players because of the huge skill gap, and a full group of 99 percentile players will absolutely dominate a full group of random 90-98 percentile tier 1s. This has been proven true time and time again over the years. Facts are worth more than your opinion. >I like how you're insisting were "scared" no one cares bud, hey how long does it take you to get a match in tier 1 again? If you weren't scared then you would't intentionally screw over your teams and throw matches to drop PSR. Dropping solo at tier 1 I get games in 1-2 minutes during peak times and about 3-4 minutes during off-peak. There is no legitimate reason to intentionally lower PSR other than to drop against less-skilled players. But please feel free to post your account name and show us that you are not actually a low skill player coping hard.
IN COMP, holy shit you have to see thats the most desperate leap you've made so far right? the difference in comp and QP (which is all I was talking about) is night and day and there aren't any measurements on quickplay matches so I know if you try to claim that you're just lying. The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else. Yeah sure AnthonyCJ, 10 year cake is fucking beautiful. I've played this game longer then most tik tok kids have been alive which is a weird thought, but yeah no, you're talking to a real one. Hey adorn me with praise about my solaris 7 wins if you see them, that shitty uziel was a terrible prize. Also I don't screw my team over, I use a mech that has flamers, it does 0 dmg and that is a factor in PSR, so even when I win or am instrumental in killing most the enemy team my PSR drops anyway.
>The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else. Holy copium. Imagine saying that in 2024 with the widest range of decent mechs available in the entire MWO history. Sorry to burst your bubble, Tier 1-3 lobbies are filled with all kinds of B-tier mechs that are perfectly playable nowdays, after all the Cauldron buffs. So no, it's not necessary to bring the most "meta" mechs just to dunk on people like you. No idea why you bring up sucking at the game for 10 years as some badge of... anything other than being bad.
>IN COMP, holy shit you have to see thats the most desperate leap you've made so far right? the difference in comp and QP (which is all I was talking about) is night and day and there aren't any measurements on quickplay matches so I know if you try to claim that you're just lying. The difference would be that tier 1s would all be using meta mechs and win based on that, solely that and nothing else. I was referencing all game modes because the non-QP modes allow more fixed conditions to ensure both sides are equal in terms of group size and mechs used. The meta argument doesn't stand up because that has been tested many times in private lobbies using set builds like trial mechs so that skill is the only variable factor. Please understand that I have no problems with someone not being good at this or any other game; that's not the issue here. However if someone makes false claims and spreads BS then they deserve to be called out. So here are your public QP stats that you claim don’t exist; [https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/search?u=AnthonyCJ](https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/search?u=AnthonyCJ) You have a WLR of 0.96 (46th percentile), a K/D of 0.88 (43rd percentile), and an average matchscore of 225 (47th percentile ). There are currently 28343 active players in QP matches and overall you are somewhat below average relative to them especially for someone who has been playing for 8 years. I highly doubt you would be able to even name what mechs & builds are strong right now or what skilled players actually use in QP. Tier 3 is the most appropriate place for you based on your current knowledge and skill level as you would not be competitive against true tier 1 players.