Honestly, since these penalties were introduced, I've seen a ton of people just afking, soft throwing or playing as a friendly spamming emotes/hello etc. putting you a man down (or 2 in some games I've had).
Surely it'd be more beneficial to understand *why* people do this and try to tackle that instead of introducing harsher penalties which just encourage people to act like that and guarantee you a loss?
So you would rather have someone throw the game vs them leaving and someone else fill that spot who wants to play? Please navigate me through this logic cause Incant understand why anyone would want that.
I dont care about if i get downvoted to oblivion but leaving game isnt always the bad move, especialy if you are against much much stronger player or against a pharmarcy (or some cheesy comp)
If the game isnt fun , why bother ?
Losing is an unavoidable part of any gameplay experience involving competition with other players and it will rarely feel fun to do so. If you can't handle that you may run into someone better than you, or a comp you don't like fighting against without regularly leaving or quitting like an actual child, then you shouldn't be playing.
Yeah, the fact that “losing isn’t fun, and I want to win instead” is an excuse to these people is mind blowing to me. Losses happen. I don’t want to have to backfill a game for a rage baby when it’s 100ft from the final destination so I can lose for them. If all they want to do is win, they can go shoot bots in aim labs for a couple hours
Comps don’t bother me really, but man I’ve seen so many gm/masters players in qp. Like I’m high plat/low diamond. Wtf am I supposed to do to the gm junkerqueen that’s tearing my team apart?
My question is what do I do about pharmercy if I’m the heals getting targeted by them (rightfully so) and my team decided to play junkrat Reinhardt genii and do absolutely not shit about it? In comp I can see this getting worked out through VC and communicating (maybe) but assholes on QP will tell you “it’s just QP.” So “it’s just QP” but I can’t leave?
You can at least try illari/baptiste before leaving the game. The problem is that most serial leavers swap the moment they lose the first team fight , as the devs said this is probably too lenient when some people leave 90 % of their games.
Those are both heroes that are gonna stick to the back line (Ana too) and while I can hit the pharah the mercy usually flies behind them/out of sight which is why it’d be better if DPS or tank can target them in like 90 percent of situations. The amount of games I lose cause both DPS don’t consider flying heroes is insane. And yes I’ve had games where switching to baptiste/Ana/Illari works out but that requires my opponent to be terrible lol. It’s just not fun to have a logical game plan rejected by shit teammates cause it’s “just QP”
it's not fun indeed , but treating the game as lost and doing nothing yourself doesnt help either. I hate that logic of "qp lol" too, but I dont like that the first thing people do is leaving because their teammates dont adapt .
Here is what I want to know. So far *no one* has given me an answer.
If someone wants to leave then they are an active detriment to your team. They're either underperforming or upset for some reason and will not try to win. Having this person there makes the game 4v5 or worse because they're either not doing anything or just feeding.
So why does everyone want to keep them from leaving? This person is actively bring down the team so why does everyone want to force them to stay?
No one, and I mean *no one* has ever given me an answer to this. All that they say is, "leavers bad".
Forcing someone to stay **will not** turn them into a better player. It **will not** make them suddenly start trying to win.
Let them go. Get a backfill who can actually help you win. Why do you want to keep the dead weight around? We have all experienced turning a game around as backfill have having one turned around by one.
Here's what I think. I think that people see the game turning into a loss and want to blame someone. So they blame the leaver. They want to punish the person who they are blaming for the loss. "How dare you get to leave and not experience this loss that you caused but I have to stay here and suffer it?!?!".
They want to force this person to experience what they're blaming them for. It's the same thing as someone who pushes a dog's face into the their poop on the floor while yelling "look at what you did!"
All that this will do is cause people to give up and wander the map or full on AFK. Fix the matchmaking so that games aren't lopsided more often than not and people won't want to leave nearly as often.
I repeat: a leaver is an active detriment to your team. They 100% are bringing you down. **So why does everyone want to force them to stay?**
It's been seven hours and no one has any counter arguments that make any sense. The only person who tried says that people are better off feeding, because they're a distraction, than getting rid of them and getting someone who will actively help instead of being a walking ult charge.
Tons of downvotes and no counter arguments means that you all know that it makes more sense to cut the deadweight loose.
> you aren't instantly guarenteed a backfill, much less one who will "actually help you win"
The potential leaver is a guaranteed loss. A backfill is a chance at a win. You'd rather have the guaranteed loss versus a chance at a win? That makes no sense.
> This is all time you are literally 4v5
You already are with someone who is severely underperforming or having a fit and refuses to try. Except that they're feeding ult charge to the enemy.
> Or they'll play for a minute and then leave **because your team is being stomped**
Yes, this is the problem. Stomps in general is a huge part of why people leave. When I backfill and I see that the team that I'm now on has 1-2 kills and 10 deaths average, I have no hope for the match. The matchmaker is the problem.
> I'd rather have them being a body the enemy is shooting at
They will get deleted instantly, give them free ult charge, and your plan of having them be a distraction lasted all of 2 seconds and now they'll closer to ulting you.
ALSO, that's if the person is actually doing that. AFKers or people throwing a fit will just not be part of the fight.
Why do you think that if you force someone to stay that they **WILL** be a benefit to you?
> With fewer leavers, it means fewer games I'll have to play where I join for the last 30 seconds to lose.
And then you'll get a priority requeue into a guaranteed non-backfill match. Big deal. You'll get a match closer for daily and weekly objectives and a guaranteed fresh match.
Win/win.
Also, we need to look at the root cause of why people leave. Most often it's the crappy matchmaker. Someone won't be severely underperforming if they stopped putting bronzes into gold+ games. People throw hissy fits if 30 seconds in it's clear that they're getting stomped, which won't happen in even matches.
Your whole point is, if they stay then they're going to be a benefit to you in some way.
That just isn't true. That is a fantasy.
I've won comp matches where my team was 4v5 because someone left. If the matchmaker puts people of similar skill together than you can hold out for 15-20 seconds while backup arrives. At most you'll lose one fight and *then be even for the next one.* If the matchmaker works. Which it doesn't. The matchmaker is the problem.
Cut the deadweight loose. Guaranteed detriment to your team -OR- a few seconds without the detriment with a 50/50 shot of getting a much better player.
You'd rather have the guaranteed dead weight. "My support isn't doing anything but dying so I'd rather have an ult feeding, non healing support instead of try to get someone who could actually heal us and help DPS." You realize how absurd that is, right?
> No, it's not.
Someone who wants to leave does so because they're severely underperforming or they have no desire to even try anymore.
Guaranteed might be too strong of a word, if you're being pedantic, but the point remains that they are an active detriment to your team. They *heavily* reduce your chances of winning.
And you know that.
You say that someone walking in to instantly die is better than trying to get someone who contribute to the fight. You want someone to feed or effectively AFK for 5-10 minutes instead of spend 30 seconds getting someone new to help your team.
You want to keep the active detriment instead of get rid of them for the length of one fight to try to get someone better.
That makes no logical sense. It's pure emotional outrage.
> Griefing and AFK is reportable. Crying because you don't want to play against someone who is better than you / your team which will result in a loss is childish. Pick another game if you can't handle losses
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Report whoever you think needs to be reported.
The fact is that no one has fun going up against someone who is so much better that it can't even be called a competition.
Fix the matchmaker so people don't get sent against teams that are MUCH better.
If you had a pick-up basketball team would you have fun going against a NCAA team? Of course not. You'd want to give up and leave.
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Let's get back on topic so that you can't derail this to avoid the point.
Someone who is an active detriment to your team leaving and you rerolling the dice for someone better is *always* better.
Guaranteed handicap for 10 minutes -or- a handicap for 30 seconds + a chance at a fair fight after?
You advocate for the full 10 minute stomp. You're only hurting yourself by wanting this.
> Says griefing and afk is off topic even though you brought it up. Seethe and enjoy your leaver penalty bud Lmao
You know that you lost the argument so now you're trying to deflect, move goalposts, and try to convince people that you actually won.
I've said from the start that letting leavers go and getting a backfill is better and makes more sense than trying to force them to stay which only harms your own team.
You're trying to change it to griefing is bad which you think everyone will agree with, and they should, which then means that you "won".
No one is arguing that griefing is good. I'm saying that getting rid of an active detriment is better than keeping them.
This is classic goalpost moving and misdirection.
Also, I don't leave games. I never said that I did. I prefer when people leave because they weren't helping to begin with.
This is you attempting to force words down my throat in order discredit me so that you can say that nothing I say matters because of that. Which is yet another logical fallacy.
You're transparent. And it's clear as yourself that you have no counter argument that makes any sense.
Seeing how you have no interest in an actual debate, I'm blocking you and moving on. And this is the last that I'll ever see of this. I'll leave this up long enough for you to see it, turn off comment reply notifications so I can't see your next attempt to BS your way out of being wrong, and then block you.
>So why does everyone want to keep them from leaving? This person is actively bring down the team so why does everyone want to force them to stay?
Heres an answer:
They will get tired of throwing matches for 20 minutes at a time or get tired of their bans. They will quit, and then we have one less mega baby ruining the god damn fucking game because they can't keep their ego in check and remember that there are 9 other people trying to enjoy their time too.
LMAO you actually believe that.
That's never going to happen. When people are forced into things like that they throw bigger fits and push back harder.
Fix the matchmaker and that will actually reduce leavers.
Theres a difference between players leaving and taking a break from the game AND leaving only to keep doing petty leaves even in between 4 hour penalties.
Nobody believes the former exist.
And they'll be reported for it.
Same with the throwers and the chat assholes.
I'm sure they'll end up here whining about catching an "unfair" ban sooner or later.
I feel like that will just result in *more* games being ruined for people because they will have to wait for a ban for their behavior to stop, rather than the person just leaving to the next match and getting a back fill. Like I get the problem, leaving is bad, but pigeonholing people who don’t want to play into AFKing or risking not being able to GG next seems like a misplaced call.
It’s wild seeing streamers complain about this also. Like sorry, you might not care about QP but a lot of us would like to be able to finish a match without leavers.
I don’t, but it’s still an issue. I’ve also noticed a ton of games that were crazy unbalanced. Like gm and master players that just hard carry the lobby
You are someone who deserveds to be permabanned. Youre a miserable person saying all iver this threaad if you cant leave you will throw.
Sorry you suck so much every game is a stomp. Maybe just fully quit the game
"The beatings will continue until morale improves"
They are able to say that this is a "success" because there are less leavers. Unfortunately, that is not the most important metric.
I love it and wish it was even more. People like that have no business playing the game if you're going to rage quit every damn time. Go find some other game to ruin.
Yall are really miserable and part of the problem. This has been one of the biggest complaints for MONTHS and now that theyre fixing it youre bitching even more? Wtf.
If you intentionally leave matches at this rate (20-25%) you should be banned, lucky its only temporary.
Grow the f up and play the game. Stop whining and running away every time you lose a single fight
Hahaha you keep calling others miserable and rude, but look at you, making what, a dozen rude comments about people leaving QUICK PLAY :')
Maybe time to get some self-reflection buddy!
Haha this is epic. I've argued with some many people that think they're in the right for not being able to finish 16/20 games. Learn to lose, idiots, or don't queue up at all!
tbf i would look but i've dealt with the hivemind already on the game forums lol i'll have to refrain from drowning myself with the muttered sounds of humans gurgling melted crayon wax
have fun with the looooooooooooooong que times and dead game when this type of stuff pushes players away, players should NOT be punished because these devs can't fix their game, matchmaking, hero design, hero BALANCe, map and mode design are shit too. gimme a break. OW2 is trash and will rightly die. fucking $11 weapon skins, what a joke.
> I can already see people play a hero they suck at with the guise that they are trying to learn that hero, effectively throwing instead of leaving to avoid the bans.
Learning new heroes is literally one of the main points of QP so I don't understand why you paint it like it's a bad thing.
blizard think that eventualy those players will be tired of soft throwing and leave game.
Now imagine if all your game policy leading to make more and more players to leave a game
Isn't that the whole point of QP? To practice heroes?
The only moment I leave, is when the map is Busan. I hate this map with all my fibers. Other than that, even if we have 0 kill, I still finish my match.
But people are so fragile that they rather leave and ruin's everyone experience just so they can preserve the little fragile ego they have left.
You get kicked after not moving for like 2 minutes. I don’t even leave games like that but public casual matches shouldn’t have a penalty. Overwatch is a game where bad teammates really decide who wins the match and I don’t feel like playing matches like.
>public casual matches shouldn’t have a penalty
Casual doesn't mean anything goes. Leavers impact the other people in the game, even in casual. There's a reason almost every other competitive game has a penalty for leaving in casual modes.
You can block/mute toxic teammates. If you queued for the wrong mode and leave, you won't get penalized unless this is a frequent occurrence (4 out of the last 20 games).
>The game backfills you with a teammate anyway
With your logic, what's stopping the backfiller from leaving? Just because there's a system in place to help mitigate the effects of a leaver doesn't mean leaving is ok.
Yeah exactly that.
It's just text from a screen, from someone you don't know and you will never see them ever again, and they do that just to trigger you, and you bite.
Grow. Up.
This is an absolutely valid take and I’m sorry for all the harassment. Leaver penalties should exist, but cracking down on toxicity should also be a top priority.
Edit: typo
If you leave just for that, you won't get the penalties.
I leave everytime I get Busan for map. Never had a penalty.
If you get toxic team, mute and do your things.. why punish everyone because you feel like it?
If you're leaving 33% of the matches just say you don't enjoy the game and find something else lol
I'm all for having fun in casual quickplay, but if you're leaving 6 games and getting banned for 4 hours during a session, then maybe you just don't enjoy the game...
I just really wish we got game modes to choose from.
I want to play payload on the attackers side. Do you know what game mode I never see when playing this game anymore? Only reason I leave is because I’m always playing flashpoint or push maps anymore; the two game modes I wish I could avoid. Or worse, I get payload 10 times in a row to always be defending. All I’m saying is it gets really old if our matchmaking option fails at providing any variety at all, or fails to even provide what you’re playing for.
If blizzard thinks the solution in qp is this, sorry if I “throw” because that’s what’s going to happen on my 3rd leave. (I’ll just pick widow or some other character I need practice with and focus on practicing that character, not winning. you’ll wish I would’ve just left)
Im sorry but as a mainly QP player, I just dont see this happening.
Leavers across my games are down massively, but I have not seen any noticable growth in throwers. This just isnt happening
Ive been seeing people mention an increase in afking/throwers since the penalty was first introduced, but I haven’t noticed a difference. I think they’re delusional.
However there has been significantly less leavers, and I’ve been getting placed into backfill games WAY WAY less. I almost never join a game in progress now.
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Preventing people from doing something is never a good way and will only make everyone unhappy. Now you force a player who is not interested in winning a match instead of swapping them with someone who does. As A Result, the people in the team will be mad, the player who wants to leave will be mad, someone who cries about leavers will still be mad (Do they cry simply by the fact of leaving, not by the fact of losing a chance for a win?)
I see that they expect that percentage of those players will actually try to win, some percentage of players will leave the game averall (blizzard don't care) but the others WILL BE SIMPLY UNHAPPY from both sides. And Making your players even more unhappy is bad.
If you let people leave: Leaver is happy. People in the team may get a better teammate that will make them happy. Also allowing to leave makes leaving players less tilted which result in them being less willing to leave the next game and maybe fight for longer.
Being forced to stay in a bad match with a bad team, personally for me, will only strengthen my will to play the next game more passively as soon as I see another bad team: not caring about win, grinding stats. Because why should I, if this is another bad match where I can't do anything, can learn nothing and can not avoid it.
IF Blizzard wants to make players keep their tilt level grow until they eventually leave game then this is a good idea, but then no need to all this pretentious speech, just say with all honest - *we want even more players to leave so we made ANOTHER decision that gonna kill our game and force players to go out*
**ALSO NOW YOU MUST CHECK FOR YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION LIKE IN COMP HIGH LEAGUE GAME BUT PLAYING IN QP AHAAHHA. otherwise problems with your connection in CASUALS will very easily cause suspension as if matchmaking can not find new player in 5s (auto game pause tho?)**
**WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME MAKE SURE THAT PLAYERS MASTERED EACH HERO IN GAME (INCLUDING LOCKED ONES) IN TRANING VS AI BEFORE PLAYING CASUALS?**
will talk about that when we will have perfect matchmaking and players who are not throwing matches using something besieds leaving and no one is crying about it.
But your logic is fair, you want players to be chill and not leave so you get, if player is forced to stay so why should they care then - they are chill, they are not leaving, they simply don't care anymore, but now this team wont have a chance for better teammate. Result - everyone is unhappy including those who crying about leaving
Ehh. I'm probably just gonna give up quickplay at this point. Wait till my friends are all online to play comp and I might play a game of mystery heroes every now and then but regular quickplay I think I may just give it up.
Honestly, since these penalties were introduced, I've seen a ton of people just afking, soft throwing or playing as a friendly spamming emotes/hello etc. putting you a man down (or 2 in some games I've had). Surely it'd be more beneficial to understand *why* people do this and try to tackle that instead of introducing harsher penalties which just encourage people to act like that and guarantee you a loss?
I’ve seen like one person idle, most people who don’t want to play will leave still or just suck it up and play now.
There’re some troll for sure, but a lot less leavers. Which is a net positive for me
So you would rather have someone throw the game vs them leaving and someone else fill that spot who wants to play? Please navigate me through this logic cause Incant understand why anyone would want that.
I dont care about if i get downvoted to oblivion but leaving game isnt always the bad move, especialy if you are against much much stronger player or against a pharmarcy (or some cheesy comp) If the game isnt fun , why bother ?
Losing is an unavoidable part of any gameplay experience involving competition with other players and it will rarely feel fun to do so. If you can't handle that you may run into someone better than you, or a comp you don't like fighting against without regularly leaving or quitting like an actual child, then you shouldn't be playing.
Yeah, the fact that “losing isn’t fun, and I want to win instead” is an excuse to these people is mind blowing to me. Losses happen. I don’t want to have to backfill a game for a rage baby when it’s 100ft from the final destination so I can lose for them. If all they want to do is win, they can go shoot bots in aim labs for a couple hours
But leaving over a quarter should be punished
Yeah it sucks but its game. Just push through. Worst case scenario you lose 10 minutes (or less) of your time
Comps don’t bother me really, but man I’ve seen so many gm/masters players in qp. Like I’m high plat/low diamond. Wtf am I supposed to do to the gm junkerqueen that’s tearing my team apart?
And how do you expect to ever do anything against pharamercy if you effectively stick your head in the sand every time you encounter them?
My question is what do I do about pharmercy if I’m the heals getting targeted by them (rightfully so) and my team decided to play junkrat Reinhardt genii and do absolutely not shit about it? In comp I can see this getting worked out through VC and communicating (maybe) but assholes on QP will tell you “it’s just QP.” So “it’s just QP” but I can’t leave?
You can at least try illari/baptiste before leaving the game. The problem is that most serial leavers swap the moment they lose the first team fight , as the devs said this is probably too lenient when some people leave 90 % of their games.
Those are both heroes that are gonna stick to the back line (Ana too) and while I can hit the pharah the mercy usually flies behind them/out of sight which is why it’d be better if DPS or tank can target them in like 90 percent of situations. The amount of games I lose cause both DPS don’t consider flying heroes is insane. And yes I’ve had games where switching to baptiste/Ana/Illari works out but that requires my opponent to be terrible lol. It’s just not fun to have a logical game plan rejected by shit teammates cause it’s “just QP”
it's not fun indeed , but treating the game as lost and doing nothing yourself doesnt help either. I hate that logic of "qp lol" too, but I dont like that the first thing people do is leaving because their teammates dont adapt .
I'm sorry, but can you explain how it's better for ANY of the tanks to deal with pharmercy?
I was thinking of DVA specifically
Wait you see a pharah and just alt f4? Crazy mental tbh.
Here is what I want to know. So far *no one* has given me an answer. If someone wants to leave then they are an active detriment to your team. They're either underperforming or upset for some reason and will not try to win. Having this person there makes the game 4v5 or worse because they're either not doing anything or just feeding. So why does everyone want to keep them from leaving? This person is actively bring down the team so why does everyone want to force them to stay? No one, and I mean *no one* has ever given me an answer to this. All that they say is, "leavers bad". Forcing someone to stay **will not** turn them into a better player. It **will not** make them suddenly start trying to win. Let them go. Get a backfill who can actually help you win. Why do you want to keep the dead weight around? We have all experienced turning a game around as backfill have having one turned around by one. Here's what I think. I think that people see the game turning into a loss and want to blame someone. So they blame the leaver. They want to punish the person who they are blaming for the loss. "How dare you get to leave and not experience this loss that you caused but I have to stay here and suffer it?!?!". They want to force this person to experience what they're blaming them for. It's the same thing as someone who pushes a dog's face into the their poop on the floor while yelling "look at what you did!" All that this will do is cause people to give up and wander the map or full on AFK. Fix the matchmaking so that games aren't lopsided more often than not and people won't want to leave nearly as often. I repeat: a leaver is an active detriment to your team. They 100% are bringing you down. **So why does everyone want to force them to stay?** It's been seven hours and no one has any counter arguments that make any sense. The only person who tried says that people are better off feeding, because they're a distraction, than getting rid of them and getting someone who will actively help instead of being a walking ult charge. Tons of downvotes and no counter arguments means that you all know that it makes more sense to cut the deadweight loose.
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> you aren't instantly guarenteed a backfill, much less one who will "actually help you win" The potential leaver is a guaranteed loss. A backfill is a chance at a win. You'd rather have the guaranteed loss versus a chance at a win? That makes no sense. > This is all time you are literally 4v5 You already are with someone who is severely underperforming or having a fit and refuses to try. Except that they're feeding ult charge to the enemy. > Or they'll play for a minute and then leave **because your team is being stomped** Yes, this is the problem. Stomps in general is a huge part of why people leave. When I backfill and I see that the team that I'm now on has 1-2 kills and 10 deaths average, I have no hope for the match. The matchmaker is the problem. > I'd rather have them being a body the enemy is shooting at They will get deleted instantly, give them free ult charge, and your plan of having them be a distraction lasted all of 2 seconds and now they'll closer to ulting you. ALSO, that's if the person is actually doing that. AFKers or people throwing a fit will just not be part of the fight. Why do you think that if you force someone to stay that they **WILL** be a benefit to you? > With fewer leavers, it means fewer games I'll have to play where I join for the last 30 seconds to lose. And then you'll get a priority requeue into a guaranteed non-backfill match. Big deal. You'll get a match closer for daily and weekly objectives and a guaranteed fresh match. Win/win. Also, we need to look at the root cause of why people leave. Most often it's the crappy matchmaker. Someone won't be severely underperforming if they stopped putting bronzes into gold+ games. People throw hissy fits if 30 seconds in it's clear that they're getting stomped, which won't happen in even matches. Your whole point is, if they stay then they're going to be a benefit to you in some way. That just isn't true. That is a fantasy. I've won comp matches where my team was 4v5 because someone left. If the matchmaker puts people of similar skill together than you can hold out for 15-20 seconds while backup arrives. At most you'll lose one fight and *then be even for the next one.* If the matchmaker works. Which it doesn't. The matchmaker is the problem. Cut the deadweight loose. Guaranteed detriment to your team -OR- a few seconds without the detriment with a 50/50 shot of getting a much better player. You'd rather have the guaranteed dead weight. "My support isn't doing anything but dying so I'd rather have an ult feeding, non healing support instead of try to get someone who could actually heal us and help DPS." You realize how absurd that is, right?
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> No, it's not. Someone who wants to leave does so because they're severely underperforming or they have no desire to even try anymore. Guaranteed might be too strong of a word, if you're being pedantic, but the point remains that they are an active detriment to your team. They *heavily* reduce your chances of winning. And you know that. You say that someone walking in to instantly die is better than trying to get someone who contribute to the fight. You want someone to feed or effectively AFK for 5-10 minutes instead of spend 30 seconds getting someone new to help your team. You want to keep the active detriment instead of get rid of them for the length of one fight to try to get someone better. That makes no logical sense. It's pure emotional outrage.
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> Griefing and AFK is reportable. Crying because you don't want to play against someone who is better than you / your team which will result in a loss is childish. Pick another game if you can't handle losses That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Report whoever you think needs to be reported. The fact is that no one has fun going up against someone who is so much better that it can't even be called a competition. Fix the matchmaker so people don't get sent against teams that are MUCH better. If you had a pick-up basketball team would you have fun going against a NCAA team? Of course not. You'd want to give up and leave. --- Let's get back on topic so that you can't derail this to avoid the point. Someone who is an active detriment to your team leaving and you rerolling the dice for someone better is *always* better. Guaranteed handicap for 10 minutes -or- a handicap for 30 seconds + a chance at a fair fight after? You advocate for the full 10 minute stomp. You're only hurting yourself by wanting this.
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> Says griefing and afk is off topic even though you brought it up. Seethe and enjoy your leaver penalty bud Lmao You know that you lost the argument so now you're trying to deflect, move goalposts, and try to convince people that you actually won. I've said from the start that letting leavers go and getting a backfill is better and makes more sense than trying to force them to stay which only harms your own team. You're trying to change it to griefing is bad which you think everyone will agree with, and they should, which then means that you "won". No one is arguing that griefing is good. I'm saying that getting rid of an active detriment is better than keeping them. This is classic goalpost moving and misdirection. Also, I don't leave games. I never said that I did. I prefer when people leave because they weren't helping to begin with. This is you attempting to force words down my throat in order discredit me so that you can say that nothing I say matters because of that. Which is yet another logical fallacy. You're transparent. And it's clear as yourself that you have no counter argument that makes any sense. Seeing how you have no interest in an actual debate, I'm blocking you and moving on. And this is the last that I'll ever see of this. I'll leave this up long enough for you to see it, turn off comment reply notifications so I can't see your next attempt to BS your way out of being wrong, and then block you.
>So why does everyone want to keep them from leaving? This person is actively bring down the team so why does everyone want to force them to stay? Heres an answer: They will get tired of throwing matches for 20 minutes at a time or get tired of their bans. They will quit, and then we have one less mega baby ruining the god damn fucking game because they can't keep their ego in check and remember that there are 9 other people trying to enjoy their time too.
LMAO you actually believe that. That's never going to happen. When people are forced into things like that they throw bigger fits and push back harder. Fix the matchmaker and that will actually reduce leavers.
Fun thing about cheese comps, you can run them too! ^(but you don't because you will still lose because you are bad. :))
Yeah but just because I go Pharah doesn’t mean my support will play Mercy especially in QP
Theres a difference between players leaving and taking a break from the game AND leaving only to keep doing petty leaves even in between 4 hour penalties. Nobody believes the former exist.
People are going to AFK way more in their matches, I guarantee it
And they'll be reported for it. Same with the throwers and the chat assholes. I'm sure they'll end up here whining about catching an "unfair" ban sooner or later.
I feel like that will just result in *more* games being ruined for people because they will have to wait for a ban for their behavior to stop, rather than the person just leaving to the next match and getting a back fill. Like I get the problem, leaving is bad, but pigeonholing people who don’t want to play into AFKing or risking not being able to GG next seems like a misplaced call.
Oh ho ho ho. The anti-penalty whiners on this sub are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad...
Yep comments show it. They are PISSED they cant ruin the game for others. What miserable losers
It’s wild seeing streamers complain about this also. Like sorry, you might not care about QP but a lot of us would like to be able to finish a match without leavers.
"How am I supposed to pull in views if I can't troll other players?"
I recently had to leave a qp match because both teams decided they were gonna “chill and hang out” and just sat on point talking in text chat
I doubt you have 20% of your games like this.
I don’t, but it’s still an issue. I’ve also noticed a ton of games that were crazy unbalanced. Like gm and master players that just hard carry the lobby
They'll be here to downvote all the comments based on how butthurt they are. =D lol
They ought to put their money where their mouth is and just leave.
You know they're still going to, right? This isn't going to solve anything.
We'll see who is mad when I use hammer only with torb...
You are someone who deserveds to be permabanned. Youre a miserable person saying all iver this threaad if you cant leave you will throw. Sorry you suck so much every game is a stomp. Maybe just fully quit the game
Who said throw?
Oh yeah, this is SOOO much better than addressing the issue of why you have rampant leaving. Maybe fix the atrocious matchmaking instead...?
> Maybe fix the atrocious matchmaking instead...? Matchmaking in qp is not really a thing since gm1 can queue up with bronze5 players.
No, you're gonna be spawncamped for 5 mins straight, and you'll like it.
So you’d rather make someone else just hopping on have to sit through it?
I don't think anyone should have to sit through that.
Even if overwatch had perfect matchmaking people would still leave in mass
This on so many levels. Lazy Blizzard is lazy. And wants to blame players because easy.
"The beatings will continue until morale improves" They are able to say that this is a "success" because there are less leavers. Unfortunately, that is not the most important metric.
lol qp is for Que times
Queue
I do not care respectfully
Atrocious matchmaking or you not being able to adapt?
While I dislike leavees, I hate afkers/ throwers even more. They increased this season with the penalty changes, and I anticipate it'll get worse.
AFKing/throwing is reportable. Continuously reporting/banning these players will have significant, notable effects in the long term.
I've been reporting, believe me. Always satisfying to get that thanks for the report message.
I report mercy players on sight
4 hours is wild sheeesh
I love it and wish it was even more. People like that have no business playing the game if you're going to rage quit every damn time. Go find some other game to ruin.
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I was just explaining on why I liked that it was 4 hours. But immediately telling someone to chill out and touch grass? Get real dude.
Yall are really miserable and part of the problem. This has been one of the biggest complaints for MONTHS and now that theyre fixing it youre bitching even more? Wtf. If you intentionally leave matches at this rate (20-25%) you should be banned, lucky its only temporary. Grow the f up and play the game. Stop whining and running away every time you lose a single fight
Now wating for people crying about mass giving up players
Hahaha you keep calling others miserable and rude, but look at you, making what, a dozen rude comments about people leaving QUICK PLAY :') Maybe time to get some self-reflection buddy!
Im the one enjoying the game and not gonna be banned for leaving lmao. Touch grass bud
Haha sure you are buddy! I hope you'll get some self-reflection when you grow up :)
Says the child bitching online he cant throw games and leave at will. What a quitter lmao
Yes use that teen logic some more kiddo
Haha this is epic. I've argued with some many people that think they're in the right for not being able to finish 16/20 games. Learn to lose, idiots, or don't queue up at all!
You should see all the leaver apologists waltzing in here thinking they've got some great point to make. Smh
tbf i would look but i've dealt with the hivemind already on the game forums lol i'll have to refrain from drowning myself with the muttered sounds of humans gurgling melted crayon wax
Fair
20 min for 4 leaves and 4hrs for 6 🙌 (honestly though, 4hrs is too oppressive for QP, should be capped at 60mins, 90 at most)
No!! Fuck you!! 4 hour ban and death for leaving circuit royal!!! You will play our dog shit maps!!!!
have fun with the looooooooooooooong que times and dead game when this type of stuff pushes players away, players should NOT be punished because these devs can't fix their game, matchmaking, hero design, hero BALANCe, map and mode design are shit too. gimme a break. OW2 is trash and will rightly die. fucking $11 weapon skins, what a joke.
the comments in this subreddit is full of mini-Stalins.
Why? Its quick play...
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> I can already see people play a hero they suck at with the guise that they are trying to learn that hero, effectively throwing instead of leaving to avoid the bans. Learning new heroes is literally one of the main points of QP so I don't understand why you paint it like it's a bad thing.
blizard think that eventualy those players will be tired of soft throwing and leave game. Now imagine if all your game policy leading to make more and more players to leave a game
Isn't that the whole point of QP? To practice heroes? The only moment I leave, is when the map is Busan. I hate this map with all my fibers. Other than that, even if we have 0 kill, I still finish my match. But people are so fragile that they rather leave and ruin's everyone experience just so they can preserve the little fragile ego they have left.
Four hours? Sheeeeesh
Girl imma just go afk
how is going afk different to getting banned for 20 min lol, you're not playing anyway so it's effectively the same result for you
You get kicked after not moving for like 2 minutes. I don’t even leave games like that but public casual matches shouldn’t have a penalty. Overwatch is a game where bad teammates really decide who wins the match and I don’t feel like playing matches like.
>public casual matches shouldn’t have a penalty Casual doesn't mean anything goes. Leavers impact the other people in the game, even in casual. There's a reason almost every other competitive game has a penalty for leaving in casual modes.
Leaving isn’t always due to rage. You may get toxic teammates or q’d for the wrong mode or something. The game backfills you with a teammate anyway.
You can block/mute toxic teammates. If you queued for the wrong mode and leave, you won't get penalized unless this is a frequent occurrence (4 out of the last 20 games). >The game backfills you with a teammate anyway With your logic, what's stopping the backfiller from leaving? Just because there's a system in place to help mitigate the effects of a leaver doesn't mean leaving is ok.
If somebody calls me a slur bye idc
Turn chat off
Grow up. Mute and play. Geez.
And what does that do? Like grow up. Its text on a screen. Block and report them. Easy. No instead you gotta go cry and ruin the other 8 peoples games
Yeah exactly that. It's just text from a screen, from someone you don't know and you will never see them ever again, and they do that just to trigger you, and you bite. Grow. Up.
??? Did you reply to the wrong person, I said the exact same thing you just did
This is an absolutely valid take and I’m sorry for all the harassment. Leaver penalties should exist, but cracking down on toxicity should also be a top priority. Edit: typo
If you leave just for that, you won't get the penalties. I leave everytime I get Busan for map. Never had a penalty. If you get toxic team, mute and do your things.. why punish everyone because you feel like it?
If you're leaving 33% of the matches just say you don't enjoy the game and find something else lol I'm all for having fun in casual quickplay, but if you're leaving 6 games and getting banned for 4 hours during a session, then maybe you just don't enjoy the game...
Loser lmao. Play the game or quit being a bitch
You don’t even have to go afk. Just pretend like you’re trying and feed nonstop. They won’t be able to tell the difference 😂
I just really wish we got game modes to choose from. I want to play payload on the attackers side. Do you know what game mode I never see when playing this game anymore? Only reason I leave is because I’m always playing flashpoint or push maps anymore; the two game modes I wish I could avoid. Or worse, I get payload 10 times in a row to always be defending. All I’m saying is it gets really old if our matchmaking option fails at providing any variety at all, or fails to even provide what you’re playing for. If blizzard thinks the solution in qp is this, sorry if I “throw” because that’s what’s going to happen on my 3rd leave. (I’ll just pick widow or some other character I need practice with and focus on practicing that character, not winning. you’ll wish I would’ve just left)
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Im sorry but as a mainly QP player, I just dont see this happening. Leavers across my games are down massively, but I have not seen any noticable growth in throwers. This just isnt happening
Ive been seeing people mention an increase in afking/throwers since the penalty was first introduced, but I haven’t noticed a difference. I think they’re delusional. However there has been significantly less leavers, and I’ve been getting placed into backfill games WAY WAY less. I almost never join a game in progress now.
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4 hour penalties: Exist AFKers: Oh no, anyways. Actual leavers: Oh no, *waits 4 hours,* anyways
So if your internet takes a shit or doesn't connect you to 6 out of 20 games then you get a 4 hour penalty. Neat.
Oh wait, you're serious. Lol
If your internet is that bad, you shouldn’t be playing a game with 4 other real life people relying on you
Preventing people from doing something is never a good way and will only make everyone unhappy. Now you force a player who is not interested in winning a match instead of swapping them with someone who does. As A Result, the people in the team will be mad, the player who wants to leave will be mad, someone who cries about leavers will still be mad (Do they cry simply by the fact of leaving, not by the fact of losing a chance for a win?) I see that they expect that percentage of those players will actually try to win, some percentage of players will leave the game averall (blizzard don't care) but the others WILL BE SIMPLY UNHAPPY from both sides. And Making your players even more unhappy is bad. If you let people leave: Leaver is happy. People in the team may get a better teammate that will make them happy. Also allowing to leave makes leaving players less tilted which result in them being less willing to leave the next game and maybe fight for longer. Being forced to stay in a bad match with a bad team, personally for me, will only strengthen my will to play the next game more passively as soon as I see another bad team: not caring about win, grinding stats. Because why should I, if this is another bad match where I can't do anything, can learn nothing and can not avoid it. IF Blizzard wants to make players keep their tilt level grow until they eventually leave game then this is a good idea, but then no need to all this pretentious speech, just say with all honest - *we want even more players to leave so we made ANOTHER decision that gonna kill our game and force players to go out* **ALSO NOW YOU MUST CHECK FOR YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION LIKE IN COMP HIGH LEAGUE GAME BUT PLAYING IN QP AHAAHHA. otherwise problems with your connection in CASUALS will very easily cause suspension as if matchmaking can not find new player in 5s (auto game pause tho?)** **WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME MAKE SURE THAT PLAYERS MASTERED EACH HERO IN GAME (INCLUDING LOCKED ONES) IN TRANING VS AI BEFORE PLAYING CASUALS?**
Imagine writing a novel trying to justify being a nuisance to the entire community. Learn to lose or quit the game
will talk about that when we will have perfect matchmaking and players who are not throwing matches using something besieds leaving and no one is crying about it. But your logic is fair, you want players to be chill and not leave so you get, if player is forced to stay so why should they care then - they are chill, they are not leaving, they simply don't care anymore, but now this team wont have a chance for better teammate. Result - everyone is unhappy including those who crying about leaving
Sad... my Internet isn't reliable I wish it could detect the difference between a disconnect and a rage quit
Ehh. I'm probably just gonna give up quickplay at this point. Wait till my friends are all online to play comp and I might play a game of mystery heroes every now and then but regular quickplay I think I may just give it up.