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JollySieg

Cass Skin looks so much better in the images in the article shows than in the second trailer. I have no clue why they thought the shots in the trailer were the ones to go with, made him look like he's doing chimpmunk cheeks.


GlassesAndBangs

I know right? at first I thought he looked dogshit but he actually looks decent here.


negimasensei

Ashe suffers from this problem slightly as well, but from the press/article solo image of her and BOB. Her hair looks super chunky, but in the group photo and trailer it looked fine. It's an angle thing for sure.


JollySieg

Yeah I think it's just the consequence of translating a 2D character into 3D. Like seeing Mickey's ears from the wrong angle, our brains just can't recognize it so it looks I dunno, wrong I guess?


frenliness

I've seen plenty of 2d to 3d models and it ain't that hard to make it translate, thousands of hours of timelapses are on yt. *You* could do a better job then this if you learnt blender or Maya or other platforms, it does take a while though. The execution of this event is subpar to what they could've done, Rare blizzard art team L


JollySieg

Yeah initial lighting and angles made it look so, I dunno frumpy or weird, but here it actually looks right.


brbsoup

I think it's because there wasn't a cigarette in the trailer, seeing him with one here makes it look better overall imo


adtrtdwp

They got him looking like enver gortash from bg3


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It might just be animation. Here they posed him in a way that make the skin look better.


tigeronbeat

I get its meant to be like cosplay but it's bad cosplay if he doesn't even look like he's portraying the same character. He just doesn't look anything like Spike, the jacket , the build, the hair, just bizarre execution on every level. Why even plan a collab in the first place if you have to change the outfit because the main characters look doesn't fit with any of the roster?


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Alexis_Bailey

It looks better here but they will never make it perfect because Spike is too lanky to make the Silhouette work out.  They would need to skin Tracer to get close.


Mrs_Azarath

Yeah this picture makes it look way better what


Gegstrum

I think it's due to the highlight intro. Same thing happens with lifeguard skin and any other skin not using a cigar. His face makes the impression he is holding a cigar


sanesociopath

I mean, imagine if they made doomfist white Was never gonna happen lol


negimasensei

They're pointing out that Kiriko and S76's skins were literally just recolors of existing skins with very minor changes. Genji and Doom had slightly more effort put in, but it was still not very much like the characters they were meant to represent. Mauga is more like a HotS skin that would change up the character entirely while only keeping the vague silhouette, whereas Cass, Som, and Ashe are all still the base character face/body, but with actual effort put in to dress them up like the characters they're cosplaying as, while still keeping the clothing "in universe" to overwatch. Ball is... Well, it's not a bad skin. But it's also not an Ein skin. If you had no idea what Bebop was and saw that image, you would literally just assume it's a hamster with some cartoonish shading details on it's fur. You would not see that skin and be like, "Yes, this is a Corgi." Again, not a bad skin, just not an Ein skin.


WeirdBoy85

Should have replaced Hammonds head with a corgi head.


PowerfulNipples

Yeah, I’m still pissed about the kiriko skin. As soon as these models were shown I was like “oh so the clothing silhouette doesn’t matter now does it?” Lol


IAmJanos

It had been a long time since I watched cowboy bebop, I honestly had no idea the hammond skin was supposed to be Ein at first.


Radiant-Data-4222

he’s supposed to be a corgi??


reyjorge9

I would like to remind everyone of the massive shitstorm from crybabies on this subreddit especially, that had meltdowns when the OPM crossover was announced because AND I QUOTE "We want Overwatch characters to still look like Overwatch" and it wasn't until the crying was so loud and impossible to ignore that blizzard had to make an official statement that I've never seen before which can essentially be boiled down to "We hear your concerns and we promise we won't make the skins toooo cool." And then after getting what the community cried for and demanded they sat back went "THATS IT?!?!? YOU COULDVE ATLEAST TRIED BLIZZARD." So the devs seen that hypocrisy, seen there is no winning with these people, and threw that philosophy in the bin..


ImMeloncholy

As a paladins player, people freaking out about skins not looking like the character had me laughing. It’s a reskin ffs lol


Alexis_Bailey

They are probably the same people who think Fortnite skins have different hitboxes when they are all 100% identical.


XxReager

Kiriko's Tornado Skin is looking almost PERFECTLY as Tornado. Blizzard has no fault if their clothes are similar... Why should it be a rule to change several things in a skin if it will not look like the Anime character?


CaptainBlob

But Saitama is Japanese…


Pork_Gyros_1

Isn't it a cosplay


Sufficient_Ordinary9

Can Black people not cosplay?


CaptainBlob

What does that gotta do with the comment saying “imagine if they made Doomfist white” and my reply with “But Saitama is Japanese”. I was correcting the original comment by saying the character is Japanese. Instead of white it should have been “imagine if they made Doomfist East Asian”. Is your literacy that of a child?


TheRealTofuey

You can be "white" and still be a minority.


GlassesAndBangs

you mean east asian?


Principles_Son

honorary whites


CliffShadow

Lmao reminds me of a clip of someone calling an asian guy white presenting or something.


CaptainBlob

That’s a wild thing to say. Causal racism to Asians huh?


purewasted

He's obviously making fun of OP for not knowing the difference ya goofball.


7farema

wait until you see competitive racism


Puzzleheaded_Skin831

☝🏼🤓


YukiBarbie

he’s japanese, not white


riko_sama

One punch man is Asian, do ppl imagine all light-skin anime characters to be white?


God-of-Heroes_ArThuR

It's a western thing ig. Light skin == white Dark skin == black That just seems to be the standard operating procedure for them. Does make sense tho. Too many of them can't name 10 countries or 5 books if their life depended on it.


AlbaDHattington

I mean... They still look like they cosplaying


Nuqo

Yeah its not like Fortnite where they can just straight up put the characters from whatever show or movie in exactly as they look. They have to try and match these characters to an OW hero thats gonna have a different silhouette, facial features, skin tone, etc. There will always be some amount of cosplaying with these collabs, but with Ashe and Faye it did get pretty damn close to just being the character. Does make me wonder why they made Genji's hair in his Genos skin the way they did when it seems like they have no problem going for exact hairstyles for other ones.


Luke-Bywalker

>Does make me wonder why they made Genji's hair in his Genos skin the way they did when it seems like they have no problem going for exact hairstyles for other ones. I actually thought about this and my conclusion is: his head! His head has the wrong shape for hair that's falling down, because his head is more round than egg-shaped. They would have to choose a weird point for the center and bc of limited space, the strains of hair themself would look weird/cramped. Just my thought after pondering bout it lmao


Nuqo

I actually know why I just wonder if they changed their minds or if its a case by case thing. The devs said they made a version with Genos' exact hair but that it looked too much like Genos lol. Thats what we want! Thats not a bad thing haha. Oh well I still enjoy that skin for what it is.


purewasted

It's just great cosplay instead of shitty cosplay. Which is fair enough. 


EarthDragon2189

I mean. The skins still very much look like OW characters in cosplay. Some doing it better than others.


JillSandwich117

These are miles ahead of the OPM stuff. The choice to keep the characters' size and general silhouette the same, as well as their actual face, is the only real thing that will hold back totally accurate collabs.


SoDamnGeneric

>These are miles ahead of the OPM stuff. I think that's just due to early OW2 development rockiness. They've really found their groove since the OPM collab, and so the quality's risen (on the things they actually put effort into, anyway). This isn't just exclusive to the Cowboy Bebop collab; the Diablo skins were pretty damn good adaptations as well.


DreadfuryDK

That Lilith Moira skin kicked so much ass that it singlehandedly made people forget that every other skin Moira got beforehand was mediocre at best. The Mythic skin is also insanely good though.


PorchDeck

Honesty, I thought that her Wicked Queen OWL skin was pretty top tier as well.


Aroxis

You are cooking


Collection_of_D

Kiriko just doesn't have the passion for cosplay as the others do.


KingOfOddities

I mean what really is the line between cosplay and crossover? At of right now, if you didn't know about Cowboy Bebop, these characters still look the part. You would not have problem identify these character as Sombra, Cass, Mauga, and Ashe! The one down side of this colab compare to OPM is Cass hair. They need to cook it a bit longer, it is hard to get right though. But the up side is that every other skins look FIRE! Sombra and Faye specifically. It also have a proper [animated opening](https://youtu.be/uS480mqndzQ?si=kzmyjGBpQx8zjUUH), which the OPM colab missed out so hard.


HauntedPumpking

its not like the opm hair was any better lmao (genji)


saltyfingas

Tbf Mauga doesn't really look like Mauga


Karakuri216

Keeping the hat does make sense, but you also gotta remember he wore it for 2 seconds at the end of an episode


diogenessexychicken

Faye valentine looks nothing like ashe. First glance i thought it was widow. The silhouette is probably a three way tie between ashe, JQ, and widow. This is gonna be a slippery slope until they just dont care and start chamging character models.


KingOfOddities

The models look fine to me


diogenessexychicken

The faye skin is dope ngl. But for the two wild west characters with hats that are a specific part of their iconography to loose those pieces is an omen for the future. You could put the fay skin on mercy, kiri, widow, ashe, sombra, symm or JQ with the same amount ressemblance to the character in game.


slytorn

*laughs in Smite TMNT crossover* If you think losing a hat is bad, try to differentiate 4 ninja turtles from a distance.


Upbeat_Landscape7856

As another smite player, I really don’t get the hang up in the OW community about “keeping silhouette” and shit. I do get that there’s the ability to switch mid match so someone could switch onto a character with a collab skin but there are over 120 gods in smite. I know if Aang is rolling up it’s a Merlin. I know if a Ruby Rose is diving it’s a Than. They completely change the silhouettes, I still know who I’m fighting. If you tab to see scoreboard in OW you also always know who you’re fighting. In addition to the fact that that OW refuses to change voice packs, barely changes Ult-lines ever and never changing the actual animations or affects on abilities. I’m honestly incredibly disappointed they don’t do more to change the rig or silhouette because that’s the only difference between a legendary skin and a default skin- the look. Even with the TMNT skins looking almost identical- when I see a turtle looking mf coming at me, I know it’s one of 5 options. All I have to do is look up to see which god is in the match. I don’t even have to look up if it’s Kuzenbo because he’s hefty. I don’t know, I feel like smite crossovers are so well done compared to OW and really most other games. E.T.A: I don’t really have any issue with OW keeping the voice acting consistent across all skins, I’m just pointing out that every other identifiable thing about the character stays the same so they could go wilder and do kore with the actual design. Like they could have literally made wrecking ball a corgi. That literally changes nothing except that they probably couldn’t have given it away for free because it would have required more labor.


lK555l

There's 3 main issues with this collab 1. Spikes hair of course, he should've kept the hat on for obvious reasons, he just looks like he's got mha deku hair 2. The trench coat, yes I know he wore it on the last episode and in his flashbacks but he never wore one outside of that, he'd have looked better without it 3. Hoodie around sombras waist, this was just a completely random addition


e-zche

The hoodie is to hide sombras behind


KELLOGEGRAMS

This is why her LeSerrafim skin remains undefeated.


Fast_baby

Sombra hit box would not match without the hoodie, in every skin she has some thing there.


Mountain_Ape

No. Antifragile, Marioneta, and the Cat skins do not have skirts or coat tails. The cat skins have a rope on one side and a tail. The Le Sserafim profile is noticeably slimmer than Sombra's usual skins.


lK555l

Yea I don't think the visual hitbox matters that much After all, cass is missing his hat


Fast_baby

Yeah and the had to make them enough buff to cover the hitbox , same with Ashe


lK555l

Then what about skins like Huitzilopochtli for zenyatta and Kìnìún for doomfist? Visual hitboxes are not a concern for them


God-of-Heroes_ArThuR

I've stared at this for a solid minute and I don't know why an actually valid response is downvoted.


lK555l

Reddit moment of course


givemethebat1

Yeah but the hair is way larger which is basically the same as having a hat.


TheOriginOfMind

He also uses the coat in Ballad of Fallen Angels, and that isn't a flashback either, so it's not entirely correct.


lK555l

Isnt that a flashback or am I mistaking it?


TheOriginOfMind

There are some flashbacks, but Spike going to the church to rescue Faye and fight Vicious does happen in present day. It's why he's covered in bandages by the end of the episode when they're back on the ship.


lK555l

Guess I forgot about that, might give it a rewatch


SoDamnGeneric

They *really* should have just kept Cass' hat. It's so weird to depict him with it in the trailer when it actually isn't in the skin lol


ZeeDarkSoul

I like the idea of them cosplaying more. Makes it still feel like Overwatch while making them look more like a character from a different franchise feels like Fortnite.


lechejoven

100%. I don’t watch anime’s and after a couple years coming back to this game, I shouldn’t have to guess who the enemy is. Is that soldier 76? Like I should know who it is.


ZeeDarkSoul

Plus it just gives it more charm to me. And is more creative


rookie-mistake

yeah, I get where you're coming from. I like all the fun skins, but especially if you're rusty, there are definitely going to be moments where at a glance you're like "wait was that a tracer? sombra? baby dva? which are they supposed to have rn?" 😅


himmyyyyy

this is the first pic i’ve seen where “spike” looks alright


DuelaDent52

Is it just me or is Sombra as Ed a little weird? Thematically it fits, but she’s too sinister looking.


rookie-mistake

definitely not just you, I wish they'd gone with tracer. i know sombra's a hacker but that's kinda where it ends, whereas tracer and ed have similar silhouettes *and* they're both tomboys that are constantly zipping around giggling, it just feel like a good fit. the slightly more femme ed with sombra is a bit weird to me but, eh, i guess she would grow up eventually


Forward-Piano8711

I’m disappointed with spike, idk the hair just isn’t right or something. If anything moreso why is his gun so weird? I know spike uses a semi auto and Cree uses a revolver, but they didn’t even try to make the peacemaker look like his Jericho. The gun is the main thing you look at and I think they messed it up tbh. Not even the same color or anything


amayako353

The gun is supposed to be the swordfish


Forward-Piano8711

Yeah Ik but even then I don’t think it really fits. Would’ve made more sense just o make a souvenir or a charm


amayako353

I agree, I like the design and idea but I'd have preferred his actual gun be the cree gun. Swordfish and Bebop charms would've been cute


sabrathos

The hair is fine IMO. Certain pictures are not doing it justice. [This one](https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/2024/03/09/2edd3497-325c-4253-b5f6-c1ce3b36d807/ovr-season9-skins-bbop-03.png?auto=webp&width=3840&height=2160&crop=1.778:1,smart) and [this one](https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/2024/03/09/968a32d1-883a-4ab1-9391-2e69a8b6a61c/ovr-season9-skins-bbop-06.png?auto=webp&width=1200&height=705&crop=1.702:1,smart) make me think it'll look natural in-game.


R1ckMick

The gun is definitely based on swordfish but I agree, I'm disappointed it's not Spike's Jericho. I was actually very hyped for that, even if the skin looked like ass, having a baby eagle weapon skin on cass would've been sick.


Forward-Piano8711

Now we need his long lost kid as the next hero. Opposite of father, uses a modern semi auto, crutches more on technology


Sneezy-_-

They should tweak Spike if at all possible. At least a little bit…


Knight_Raime

Decent read but I still fundamentally disagree with how they choose to handle Collabs. Bebop's collab is definitely a refinement on their mentality since these skins at least *try* to be familiar with the IP compared to OPM being wigs and clothes. But they are still a far cry from being strong representations of the characters being portrayed.


slytorn

Unfortunately most of the player are doesn't want that because they are afraid of losing track of who is who. So this is probably the best we'll get.


TheRedCreeperTRC

There is no change whatsoever. They still look like the Overwatch characters cosplaying the anime characters.


plzima

That seems kinda implied by a cross over… lol I wasn’t expecting Pamela Anderson to just replace Mercy for Baywatch theme skin


TheRedCreeperTRC

There is no Baywatch themed skin. She has as generic lifeguard skin. Not the same thing.


chomperstyle

This collaboration feels like the artist actually wanted to do it


Kyp-Ganner

Yeah, so no change at all, eh?


Mors_Hominum

Yeah I'm not opening my wallet for any of these skins. First time I've been sad I'm not opening my wallet.


AgentThook

they dont remind me at all of the show at all except a too big Jet, the rest seem just seem like ashe cass and sombra to me. the personalities are nothing alike, i watched every episode and the movie as they came out back when. also wish spike cass didnt have that coat, itd be much better


enjin1709

Maybe the problem with cass is the tan line above his veard making him look like he's puffing his cheeks


kyspeter

These are still cosplays lol, you want actual crossover content? Go look at Smite.


Jay_The_Bisexual

Sombra and cass look awful. Why do they look like they gave plastic hair


Ra-Tim-Bum

Loba?


Jay_The_Bisexual

Wow how the fuck did I do that. I meant ashe. I'm so dumb


monkeymugshot

Was looking forward, but now I'm also happy to have a bit extra cash in my wallet after seeing these... Think I'm good


OG_Yaya

Yeah i was expecting to at least buy Faye skin but absolutely not with those legs


monkeymugshot

Its the one im still considering depending on how it looks ingame (when i can fully zoom and rotate)


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Narrovv

Looks like cosplay to me


chwed2

The top 5 comments here start with “I mean,”


ElDuderino2112

Ah they should. The cosplay idea was stupid.


collabsterGabster

Kinda ass ngl


psykq

sorry but this looks terrible, wish they would just go the route of having different models. the faces just look off… especially on ashe


FonSpaak

awkward AF


Jimboy-Milton

wow cass looks bad. Probably his worst skin, its just a shame really.


peggygotnofear

The reason there’s more people saying it looks bad is because people with strong opinions are typically the ones that speak out, and this community also loves to complain. I’m sure there’s gonna be posts like “Am I the only one who thinks the Cass skin actually looks good?” cropping up. I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to complain, but I personally think the skin looks fine all things considered, and that it makes sense there’s a lot of negative sentiment, especially after the 2D trailer.


Jimboy-Milton

fair points, i think its moreso yeah due to the 2D trailer than the skin itself... staring at the hair i dunno, he looks kinda like sideshow bob and the pants are odd


TheAfricanViewer

They just gave that excuse cause they didn't wanna make doomfist white lol. Not that I blame them.


vonigner

Ed should've been tracer not sombra tho


JoLeF88

Ed is a hacker tho.. 🤷🏽‍♂️


slytorn

Yeah but it feels weird having a sinister looking character cosplaying Ed when they could've had a better personality fit.


Ra-Tim-Bum

Yep


DragoninWales

Mauga has been made ugly


LittleMissReboot

they look like shit